The American glorification of Lincoln is, sadly, too typical of the revisionism and propagandist mythology that characterizes the hypocrisy, contradictions & hidden-agenda of Americvan politics. There was a time when I wouldn't have questioned this 'noble' caricature of Lincoln as a valiant defender of human & civil rights. But now I realize there is MUCH more to this story, that actually Lincoln promoted Banking Syndicate, Federal PTB, MIC, Global Elites & Corporatism. We ALL lost via that war.
Abraham Lincoln should not be revered as much as the population does. This man was one of the causes of the American Civil War as it could have easily been avoided. If slavery was that cruel and not humane, why don't you look the the Union's industrialisation- (American Industrial Revolution) which used children to work. I think slaves would be a better alternative than child labour. Slavery would have phased out anyway, as the rest of the world have already stopped the use of slavery.
@redrooster241 Most historians disagree with you entirely. The divide existed long before Lincoln, he was only the trigger to the events that would have eventually come anyway. This country had set itself up for implosion, I just thank God we had a man strong enough to prevent it from utterly destroying us.
@lastminuteregret As I said, they are different states with different economies, both of which were morally wrong. Southern States with slavery = morally wrong. Using Children to work at factories = morally wrong. USA was most likely the last country to utilise slaves, which would have been phased out anyway due to industrialisation taking place. You stated historians disagree with me entirely, yet you don't put up factual but opinionated points.
If Lincoln did not pursue a political career but instead, played professional basketball, 600,000 less Americans would be dead and have their futures cut short.
And the slavery can be resolved over a longer process just like the rest of the world did, via political measures. Without shedding an ounce of innocent blood of anyone. The blacks also died in the thousands during the civil war, sacrificing themselves for a cause.
@ConstantineJoseph Well the War origionaly wasn't about Slavery. They south Always said it's about tax and tariffs and what ever, but they were afraid of losing their slaves which helped generate their money. Lincoln even said he wouldn't free slaves if the South would stay. But they didn't, then they attacked fort Sumter like a bunch of dumb asses proclaiming their hostility, then Abe had no choice but to attack. Britain, the largest Empire ever, didn't use slaves since 1833.
@pmack169 "The length of the war was because of the improvement in weapons while tactics remained Napoleonic."
That's why there were so many casualties, not why the war lasted so long.
"Once a new crop of Generals who where committed to total victory needed in Modern war it ended really quickly."
The Richmond siege took 9 months. Grant, Sherman, Thomas, and Sheridan had been leading armies and gaining victories in the western theater since the start of the war.
1851 - linkin makes a speach that states that black people are racialy inferior to whites and the two races could never live along side each other, he wanted to free the slaves because exonomicaly the north could not compete with the south, he wanted to deport all blacks from america back to africa, he wasnt the great imancipator he was a white supremacist who just wanted blacks out of america. Do your homework and dont be too proud to criticise your nations past
I'm sure he was a good leader,but to say the United States wouldn't exist without him is bit exaggerated to say the least.I shall leave that to God's providence.So would Lincoln.
@Deader87 lincon said in the 1850's that black and whites could never stand on the plain of equality and wanted to deport all blacks back to the African continent, he want a lover of erquality, he wanted the slaves free so that the north could compete economicaly with the south. the slaves being freed by lincon but not deported is one of historys greatest and most apreciated acidents. comparing him to hitler is completely insane though when you look at the context of the times
@skind9119 Absolutely right in what you say. The best thing that ever happened to America was Lincoln getting a bullet.
Lincoln was also responsible for the deaths and deportation of the Sioux Indians after the Sioux uprising and the seizure of their lands by members of his own cabinet. He hated the Native Americans more than he hated the blacks.
America's 21st century problems: the imperial presidency, perpetual warfare (the military-industrial complex), fiat currency issued by a privately-run central bank can be traced back to Lincoln & the Whig party (a.k.a.: Republican party/Union party).
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Senile Carl Sandburg's Lincoln is depicted as America's Moses, in reality Lincoln was the model for Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, T.R. & F.D.R., Truman, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, Churchill, Castro, Pinochet, Pol Pot & Mao. Lincoln's War cost the lives of 620,000 citizens. Of course: what's 620,000 lives worth amongst the Luciferian racial-cleansing occultists of eugenics?
@ThePregnancySlaves It was Jefferson Davis is the one who ordered the first shot against Fort Sumter. The corruption of the New York Banking didn't happened until the Hayes became president, two presidents after Lincoln. So what happened, did Lincoln's zombie corpse came back to life and create havoc for New York's bank? Maybe it is time you graduate remedial preschool that you keep repeating and stop smoking crack, then learn the real facts on history.
The U.S. Constitution (the Law of the Land) does not provide for one region of the country to wage war with another. Lincoln's War was not Washington's Whiskey Rebellion. The Southern Confederacy legally divorced itself from the corrupt Northern central govt. that took its marching orders from New York's banking houses.
Abe 'Adolf' Lincoln had plans to ship U.S.'s Negroes to South America. Here they would fend for themselves. Honest A. Lincoln was a proponent of territories entering the Union as 'Free' states. Free? 'Free' meant that no Negroes were permitted to settle there. 'Free' as in Negro-free.
For the people saying "He ain't do nothing." THE MAN ENDED THE 14TH CENTURY SLAVE CULTURE THAT WAS RUINING AMERICA. What more do you need from him? The man understood if your going to call America a democracy, you CAN NOT have slavery within. Something which large faction of people could not comprehend and they suffered the consequences. It's a shame we don't get people like Lincoln, the Roosevelts or Eisenhower in office today.
my point is that it was a pointless war (as most are) and should have ended at Gettysburg, with Meade destroying the Army of N. V. But yet went on for almost 2 more years. I am just bothered by the Lincoln phenomenon, he didn't do anything substantial as far as I'm concerned. Freeing slaves? Now we have black ghettos and white gated communities, huh?
i'm guessing the shithole you grew up in is the kind of place they said stuff like "america is a terrorist country" "americans are satanists" "america wants to do nothing more but genocide everyone" ?
One way or the other,your own country most likely has way way way lower standards of both education and accurate history than mine does,you express that very well.
I'm also guessing that you yourself have a dictator in power there who claims he is democratic,right?
@KayBeeEee1983 Well Buchanan had a chance to save the Union but failed. Stephan Douglas certainly wouldn't save the Union because of his arrogance. Lincoln's leadership and greatness saved the Union after so many failed leadership and weak presidents that lead to the Civil War. Lincoln was the first reelected president since Andrew Jackson and it is no coincidence why Lincoln was reelected since Jackson, because Lincoln was great.
@Yahiko25 Lincoln was a great political leader. but his arrogance and military leadership almost destroyed the Union. The Union was superior in every tangible way and should have dominated the confederacy. In the civil war, the defender ALWAYS had the advantage because of the rifled musket, yet the Confederacy didn't realize this until 1863 and was super aggressive in the first 2 years. If the Union had stayed on the defensive, the Confederacy would've destroyed itself with their recklessness.
Lincoln was backed by Republicans that were originally Whigs, the elite party of big business. Whig party went out and they joined the Republicans in the 1840s. It was big business that wanted access to the riches of the South and they disliked the South not buying Northern goods. The myth was created after Lincoln in order to continue the status quo. Plus they could NEVER allow the public to understand what really happened.
@TheGrandCapt, We need to remember that Inalienable Rights are granted us by the US Constitution and is declared given by Nature and of Nature's God. It's Natural Rights as described by John Locke. Civil rights are granted by tyrants and political systems whereas the government owns and controls the rights, allowing them to "ITS' " citizens as it deems fit. Which way are we today? Which way were we originally founded? And who changed it? I know you know Capt....
Lincoln distroyed this country by invading the south. He was a trouble maker was doing and the North attacked them. I am from New Jersey and see every day how civil rights also distroyed the USA.
I don't understand the myth behind Lincoln. He did nothing substantial during his time in office. Preserving the union? Grant, Sherman and the Army of the Potomac did that. Freeing the slaves? ya right. He forced the southern states to exit the union by strangling trade with the north, then spent 5 years trying to reunite it? Huh? The guy made bad decision after bad decision, very incompetent by all means. Am I missing something? The only reason he's held in such high regard is because he was k
@TheGrandCapt So what you and @Metht3 that it was Lincoln's fault that the southern states exit the union and not James Buchanan? So what you are saying that Buchanan was never president?
@Methrt3 "He forced the southern states to exit the union by strangling trade with the north"
I agree with most of what you said, but the 7 deep south states seceded before Lincoln even got into office, and the remaining 4 seceded in the aftermath of Fort Sumter. By the way, the civil war lasted 4 years, not 5.
How can people diefy Lincoln, he was a tyrant and a power hungry man. Any man that would suspend the constitution in order to control a countrys people is a tyrant why do you think we fought the REV. War. The constitution stands in the time of peace, and war, it is for the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and of the PEOPLE, not the elected gover. The South fought because they didnt want fedzilla telling them how to run their states which Abe did by gun point. And we suffer for it today. Fight Rebel Fight!!!
Lincoln was a genius but he was a TERRIBLE war president. He had no military experience whatsoever but he thought he could micromanage the war. He replaced one arrogant braggart with another. Presidents need to stay out of the way of the military. The president should act like the owner of a football team: They make ONE personnel decision, the General Manager (Secretary of War), who focuses on logistics and decides the Head Coach (General of the Army), who decides which men take the field.
@KayBeeEee1983 So the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should stay out of the war and not help their own country to win an important war? So what it wrong for Lincoln to read up military strategies and help his country as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES at the best of his abilities?
@Yahiko25 "So the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should stay out of the war and not help their own country to win an important war?"
Yes, if he has no military training. Early on, General-in-chief Scott planned to take control of the Mississippi River before making any land invasion. Lincoln overruled and made the capture of Richmond the Army's top priority. Richmond didn't fall until March 1865, after 4 years and 2 million casualties. The president has other responsibilities beyond the military.
@KayBeeEee1983 So what you are saying that the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should be a pussy and NOT be a good leader as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. If Union had no general-in-chief, then who was Ulysses S. Grant? So Palin was wrong by saying "WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMANDER AND CHIEF, NOT A PROFESSOR OF LAW". So we should have a Professor of law and not having a commander and chief. There is a reason that the president is called the commander and chief, he is the LEADER of the US military.
@Yahiko25 I'm saying a person with no military background whatsoever shouldn't be dictating military strategy. A good leader knows his own strengths and weaknesses. Grant was made General-in-chief in March, 1864. Go read up on Hitler's military blunders in WW2. He also had almost no military background to speak of. He repeatedly overruled his generals, and it doomed Germany.
@KayBeeEee1983 The last time I checked, Lincoln and Hitler are not the same person. The difference is that the Union won the war, Germany lost it. Lincoln pointed George B. McClellan as General-in-Chief but was relieved of his duties when he failed multiple times to capture or kill General Lee when he had a good chance to and then replaced by Grant who forced Lee to surrender, then the Union won the war, not lost it.
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@Yahiko25 So you're unfamiliar with the concept of "analogy". Interesting.
McClellan never had a very good chance to capture Lee's army. Grant couldn't capture Lee's army either, until he outnumbered Lee 4 to 1. Grant was promoted to General-in-chief 2 years after McClellan was relieved. In between there was that 4 months without a general-in-chief and then Henry Halleck took over until March 1864.
You should really do some research on this subject. You're incredibly ignorant.
@KayBeeEee1983 You are the ignorant one. I thought the Union won the war and the southern states are still part of America, but you are still confused in that area. So since I am going to a southern state, I guess I need to get my passport when I enter Florida. You are the ignorant one who likes pussy presidential leaders and hates great presidential leadership TO AND FOR HIS COUNTRY. McClellen met Lee's army a dozen times but failed to capture, kill or make Lee surrender.
@KayBeeEee1983 There is a reason that the president is labeled as the COMMANDER AND CHIEF, the president is the commander and chief of the US military, the LEADER of the US military.
Being the president has no requirement of being in the Bachmann and Romney wouldn't be running for president. Even since ever, Congress agreed no military requirement needed for the presidency and the president can run the military. But it is clear that you hate hardworking and ambitious leaders like Lincoln.
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@Yahiko25 So you think a person with no military background whatsoever should be dictating military strategy during a war and overruling the top and most experienced generals in the country.
What made Lincoln a good military leader, exactly? The only reason you've given is that the Union won the war. Are you aware that the Union lost twice as many men as the Confederacy? Are you aware it's "Commander-IN-chief" not "Commander AND chief"? Are you aware that Coolidge isn't on Mt. Rushmore?
@KayBeeEee1983 I did not say Coolidge was on Mt. Rushmore, I said that few of the great presidents from Washington to Coolidge were on Mt. Rushmore. Lincoln had many lousy generals until Grant and Sherman came to the picture. I guess you do hate strong and good commander-in-chiefs like Lincoln. Lincoln only did is to visit the troops, dismissed bad generals then appointed better ones, give inspirational speeches and read up military tactics. A leader is suppose to be strong and good.
@KayBeeEee1983 A president is suppose to work on the major issues that the president is facing and in Lincoln's case, the Civil War was the biggest issue for him. A great president is suppose to learn and research the subjects that would help the issues, just like Lincoln read up military strategies for himself instead choosing to be a lazy fool. Just like Lincoln, I also believe learning and researching subjects from reading a book to resolve the issues and not be a lazy fool.
@Yahiko25 I think I get what you are saying and you are right. A president is suppose to work the biggest issues while in office, and if he doesn't know about any information that would help the issue, then learn and research the issues, just don't take advice or you might be a fool if an advisor might be corrupted. When Grant was president, he had many corrupted advisor problems. I think Lincoln did not want to be another Franklin Pierce, who is weak and can be bullied.
@toboebluefighter A good leader takes advice from many different experts, not just one. Yahiko25 is right, in theory, but specifically regarding Lincoln, he's dead wrong.
You both are completely missing the point. Lincoln had no military background, but he was making huge strategic decisions at the very start of the war. He micromanaged the war. Presidents have MANY different responsibilities relating to the war, not just military strategy. A good leader knows his strengths and weaknesses
@Yahiko25 How about answering my question? Do you think a person with no military background whatsoever should be dictating military strategy during a war and overruling the top and most experienced generals in the country? Are you aware that Lincoln relieved Grant in 1862 after the battle of Shiloh (a Union victory)? In the east, he relieved each General and replaced him with a WORSE general. McClellan, Pope, McClellan again, Hooker, Burnside. Each failure was followed up by a bigger failure.
@KayBeeEee1983 To answer your question, a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military. As you haven't yet notice, the Union WON the war and Lincoln's leadership resolved one of the biggest issue in American history. But it looks like your ignorance made you believe the Confederates won, so who is the current president of the Confederate State of America? Caycee Anthony?
@Yahiko25 "a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
You think someone who has read some books on military strategy, but who has no actual experience or formal training, should dictate the strategy of a civil war, rather than men who have spent their entire adult lives studying military strategy and even spent years engaging in LIVE BATTLE? You're either a troll or the stupidest person alive.
@KayBeeEee1983 You're the stupid one who rather have a lazy, weak and very laid back president. So what you are saying that a president should do nothing to strength his weakness and shouldn't learn and research any information to resolve an issue. So a president should not do his homework? A Columbia University professor and historian Eric Foner and historian author Harold Holzer say he did the right thing. This what I mean that your idea of a president and a commander-in chief makes no sense.
@KayBeeEee1983 We are different people you twilight zone freak. You are the troll who can't handle the truth and more than one disagreeing to your bullshit. Being a good president doesn't mean you stop of what you know, being president can mean that you can still learn through many sources, such as books. But it is obvious that you like a president who just takes of what he knows and not learn anything more.
@Yahiko25 "10. To lift an autumn hair is no sign of great strength; to see the sun and moon is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a quick ear."
Lincoln isn't a good military just because the Union won. The Union should have dominated the Confederacy.
"11. What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Lincoln made the war much harder than it needed to be.
@KayBeeEee1983 Let's just end this by saying you got your idea of a president and I got mine. I like a president who is hardworking, determine and willing to do some learning and researching information of his or her own, because the risk of a corrupt advisor, as some presidents found that out the hard way.
@Yahiko25 You lost any credibility you had when you said "a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
@KayBeeEee1983 A Columbia University historian/professor Eric Foner and a historian authors Harold Holzer and James McPherson also agreed Lincoln did the right thing with his leadership with the military. But it is clear that you like presidents who just take what they know and not learn anything more, even it might handle a crisis. Just like Obama must do a very good job for not reading up about the economy and how it works and let an advisor work on the issue. See how is that's going.
"the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field."
That describes Lincoln's military strategy
"a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army...By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers."
@Yahiko25 Lincoln didn't give his generals the opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Almost every time they lost a battle, Lincoln replaced the general.
"He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign"
That sums up the point I'm trying to get across.
"To see victory only when it is within the ken of the common herd is not the acme of excellence.
9. Neither is it the acme of excellence if you fight and conquer and the whole Empire says, "Well done!""
@KayBeeEee1983 Many historians and sources says that the Confederates did had some good advantages, such as better generals until Grant, better supplies, they know their territory better and better fighting spirit. The Civil War is a crisis, and just like a US president should do, resolve a crisis. That's one of the reasons why we have a president, handle a major crisis. A good president learns the information about the crisis he or she i handling, just like Lincoln on military strategies.
@Yahiko25 Are any of those guys MILITARY historians?
Many in the confederate army didn't even have shoes. The North started using repeating rifles while the South still had muskets and pikes.
The south had WORSE fighting spirit. The southern army started drafting soldiers before the north. Southern soldiers were bitter that slaveholders were allowed to leave the army.
Why don't you do some research on this stuff before you start talking? For example, look up the Anaconda plan
@KayBeeEee1983 Maybe you should do some research and grow up. Many historical resources say that the south did had better fighting spirit and have better supplies until the end of the war. You tell me to do research and you are against Lincoln and other presidents doing research of their own? Wow. That tells how a discriminating troll you are. You must be jealous that a Republican is the top of the presidential ranking and your trolling pride is trying to tear him down.
@Yahiko25 Grow up? You're obviously using multiple accounts to give your comments thumbs up. 2 in 7 minutes? Grow a brain you pathetic loser. Every single thing you've said about the civil war and Lincoln is wrong. Literally. Every single thing.
@KayBeeEee1983 OMG, so the Union did lose the war. So who is the current Confederate president again? My claims are back up with countless historians, sources and experts.It is not my fault that you made so many bullshit comments and claims. It is obvious that you like lousy presidents and doesn't do his homework and research. It is crazy that your 'research' definition seems to be very picky on everything. You are jealous that I got voted because I say is obvious true.
@Yahiko25 It's obvious you're an ignorant troll. What rational human being thinks a person with no military knowledge should be overruling the country's top generals and dictating military strategy in a war?
"a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
@KayBeeEee1983@KayBeeEee1983 Let's end this right now. You got your idea of a president and I got mine. I know when a new president is in office he or she doesn't know EVERYTHING, the best to fill that problem much as possible is to research and read the information that would solve an big issue or crisis, just like Lincoln.
@Yahiko25 I don't know why I thought it was possible to talk rationally with a person who used a Sarah Palin quote and thought the president was the "commander and chief".
@KayBeeEee1983 First off its Commander IN Chief and The Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces is the President of the United States, according to Article II, Section 2, Clause I of the Constitution
@KayBeeEee1983 You're obviously the stupid one who doesn't see why Lincoln was the best president, he did many things right overall out of 44 presidents. You are stupid that you rather have presidents who doesn't to research and read information to solve a major issue and crisis. I rather have a president who does research and read information to solve a major issue and crisis. But when you finally graduate remedial preschool that you keep repeating, then you will understand.
@KayBeeEee1983 Lincoln was named in the top three president poll from multiple sources and resulted the best president out of 44 was no accident. It happened by great leadership, hard work, determination and a good balance focus through one of the biggest and most difficult issue that America had to face, the Civil War. The Civil War was an big issue and Lincoln had to resolve it through great leadership and determination.
@KayBeeEee1983 You are the ignorant one who loves weak presidents. So what you are saying that the President of the United States should not be learning and researching a subject or information for himself that would resolve an issue? Your idea of a president and being a strong commander-in-chief does not make any sense. Being president does not mean you should stop what you've learned, being president can still research and learn subjects or information that can resolve an issue.
@Yahiko25 Evidently, your idea of a "weak" president is one who is anything less than a totalitarian dictator.
I'm going to say this just one more time. Lincoln had no military background, but he took it upon himself to dictate the Union Army's strategy from the VERY START of the war. He only eased up in 1864 when he put Grant in charge.
I've already said that Lincoln was a good POLITICAL leader. Find me ONE military historian who thinks that Lincoln was a good military leader. Just one.
@Yahiko25 "So Palin was wrong by saying "WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMANDER AND CHIEF, NOT A PROFESSOR OF LAW""
Are you aware that, like Obama, Lincoln had no military background and was a lawyer? Are you aware that the President has other duties beyond Commander-in-chief? Can you find one military historian who thinks Lincoln was a good military leader?
@KayBeeEee1983 Being a owner of a pro sports team is not like being the President of the United States, there is a lot more to lose. Being President is about leadership, leadership and more leadership, and leading what the United States controls and stands for. There is a good reason Lincoln is considered as the best president by many and his face on Mt. Rushmore along with three other great presidents from Washington to Coolidge presidency.
@Yahiko25 His military involvement should've been limited to the selection of the General-in-chief and to logistics. He's like the owner of a pro sports team. He should focus on hiring the best General Manager for the job and let him make all the critical decisions. The owner should worry about the business side, and making sure fans can enter/exit the parking lot/stadium quickly and easily. Between March and July, 1862, the Union Army had no general-in-chief. Lincoln filled that role himself.
@KayBeeEee1983 I guess the Union lost the war since you believe Lincoln did a horrible job. I guess he is worst that George W. Bush who did almost nothing with the post-Iraq War that lead to a disaster. The South did have a few advantages such as having good supplies, knowing their territory and fighting spirit, just like the Americans Revolution when the American had the almost same advantages and disadvantages. But Lincoln's leadership still triumphed.
@Yahiko25 "So what it wrong for Lincoln to read up military strategies and help his country as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES at the best of his abilities?"
Reading up on military strategies is a complete waste of time when the war's already begun. There were hundreds of officers in the Army who graduated from military academies. They spent years learning about military strategy/tactics and they put what they learned into practical use in the Mexican War. Trust them with strategy.
@BluffRat Lincoln had many things as he did characteristics. Writing a book is not the best idea. You can debate it as much as you want all day long but the bottom line is he's just too complex to even do so. There were many people who were capable in some form or fashion of figuring him out, but there were none who could understand him. He had the mind of a being who understood the intricacies of reality itself. To say reading a book about the REAL Lincoln is just that. A book.
@fantasymaster71 "ou can debate it as much as you want all day long but the bottom line is he's just too complex to even do so. There were many people who were capable in some form or fashion of figuring him out, but there were none who could understand him. He had the mind of a being who understood the intricacies of reality itself. To say reading a book about the REAL Lincoln is just that. A book."
Jeez, get a grip. He died on Good Friday, but he wasn't Jesus. Lincoln was an asshole.
@KayBeeEee1983 You could be a little tactful you know. He is my cousin man. As far as I know, he saw slavery in a condition in New Orleans that he found very unfavorable. I've grown since then. So at least try to be a little courteous. And I know the man wasn't jesus. But he is my cousin and I only have 2 famous people related to me, so like to be proud of what they did and think it did some good. So, please try at least be a little more respectful man.
@KayBeeEee1983 Ok, one more god damning mother fucking word out of you ya pussy licking, wife fucking, slandering son of a bitch who as nothing better to do than slander peoples families and I'm going to call one of my friends up and put a hit on you. And you're going to die in pain most unimaginable which the world hasn't seen yet. Your opinion matters to you and only you.
@KayBeeEee1983 No, I will not let you make me slander my cousin's name, no, I am not, Yes, that was an insult, no the method of exalting went out years ago even though it's still used today, no I don't expect you to change your ways, yes I do believe your from the south, yes I did string those words together to purposefully insult you, and yes the truest insults do hurt. you'll learnt hat when you do it One day it will dawn on you exactly what I did. There i am done. No more slander remarks.
@KayBeeEee1983 Because it's true. When you get married, you'll think about. I hope you'll remember me in your head. Glaring at you with the hatred of the devil himself. My mouth open so far, it's popped off it's hinges and a voice inside saying: You're mine.
@KayBeeEee1983 You don't have to like Lincoln, in fact why don't you stop replying to my fucking comments you white supremist, nazi bitch fucker. Nobody asked you to insult anyone. You started this whole god damned thing you bastard. Now either you shut the fuck up or the devil's highest servant himself, is gonna fuck you up so bad you won't live to tell the tale and no one else is gonna recognize your god damned torn and mutilated face you son of a mother fucking bitch. So you lay off/ die.
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, if you don't believe me: Brett Beasley, Karen Williford Beasley, Winnie Barbara Swafford, George Layfette Swafford, Ruth Armilda Snipes, Merritt Linzey Snipes, Anne Snipes, Elizabeth Hanks, Elijah Hanks, William Hanks, William Hanks, bro of John Hanks, Joesph Hanks, James Hanks, Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln. I wrote this form the family pedigree. Tom Hanks is down in the tree too. He's my 8th cousin. his grandfather was the son of John Hanks 8 spots down from him. bite.
@satan865 that is not true. Lincoln was a very interesting man. Of all the people in the world, he was the closest to God or Allah or whoever it is you worship. He may have been, by his nature, very intelligent and undecernable when it came to relationships. He had far too many characteristics to even be put in one group. He was capable of talking to the nerds or hanging with reckless kids. Regardless, his nature is not debatable. His image was quite rigid, but by no means evil.
Destroy slaver? I am pretty sure the only reason he abolished slavery in the SOUTH was to gain an advantage against the south. Crippling their economy.
Read the Emancipation Proclamation yourself. It frees the slaves in the rebellious areas of the south not in the north. They were still allowed to have slavery.
@GreenMoviePlanet This is incorrect. You judge a man whose own morals contradicted the nations very way of life. He strove for freedom in the best way he could. If it had been possible for him to completely abolish it he would have, but he was unable to and as a result could only try the best way to unite the nation. And with all that went on, he was more than willing to ween the south off of slavery. but they were unwilling to even compromise and the only way he was able to do so was that.
@GreenMoviePlanet and that was the civil war. A war waged with the victor deciding on who actually won. The union won and thus, it was officially abolished in the south. but by no means did it end. The highest cost for this war was simply: Destabilization. After Lincoln died, the nation kept taking very deep and very demoralizing plunges. Humanity became more diseased in their minds, their morals were bought by the dark in their hearts. And even papers have slandered good workers names.
@Deader87 please be respectful to my ancestor. Do not slander his name with your vain attempts at being the best on a site whose popularity is determined simply by counting numbers. If you have no more honor the evil in your own heart can buy then please, do not insult him or me. Just because he died, it doesn't mean his DNA does not still live on. His most closest and most accurate being is watching you. Please if ye must slander do it to no one because no one deserves any disrespect.
@DixieOfDeKalbCounty as much as you do. Not even you have as much freedom as the world. What are you? Still bound down by airline restrictions and travel boundaries just cause you can't fly? you're no better than the rest of us. I see these weaknesses are, anyone who makes claims like these attempt to exalt themselves higher when the sad reality is that everyone is the same in limits. I'm no different than you or your father or family. And I assume this is the mark of White Supremists.
lincoln had the guts to hang his head out there, and it was chopped off. it had nothing to do with slavery. he knew about all these little things that all you people think about everyday. he had the US treasury print money to fund the war, thats why he was killed. if your scraching your head right now, you don't have enough brain power to figure this out. you think you know, you know nothing.
If Abraham Lincoln hadn't acted accordingly... *Gulps.*
Maybe we're all stupid, so I'll sum it up. Two small, separated countries which resent each other -- and reside NEXT TO each other -- equals dissent and conflict, which is a CONSPICUOUS lose-lose.
Don't tell me you honestly believe Abraham Lincoln was the only man in support of preserving the Union. Other politicians would've eventually roused the inevitable conflict between North and South -- even if Abe himself had done nothing.
Wait! I'm not quite done. In southern drawl, I'll express what idiots think of Lincoln to this very day.
"HUR, HUR! OL' ABE LINCOLN WUS A EVIL, BIG OL' TYRANT! HE GOIN' TO HAYELL (hell)!!"
...Um, what? Even if Lincoln WAS a viscious, bloodthirsty tyrant, which he wasn't, his overarching political resolve is the sole reason the United States prospered in the decades following the Civil War.
@Elena9535 I'm from NewOrleans and have been all over the South. Only hillbillies in the deep country (and not even all of them) talk like that. Stop acting like a typical ignorant Northerner who thinks they are of higher intellect.
It wasn't his initial intention to end slavery. That's irrelevant. He DID end slavery.
It wasn't his initial intention or expectation to wage such a long and bloody war. That's irrelevant. In the end, he did what he set out to do; he preserved the Union.
"Sacrifice, no matter how dear, must always be made in light of the greater good."
...This only deepens my respect for Lincoln. Regardless of civil violation and sacrifice, prodigious bloodshed, and a terrible economic depression that rippled throughout the South, he waged the Civil War -- and won -- for the greater, long-term good of the nation as a whole.
Sugar coat it all you want; Abraham Lincoln, albeit cold, logical, and calculating, was one of our nation's most involved, devout leaders.
Lincoln, moreover, only wanted to contain slavery; this would historically elicit a storm of dissent and strife, which tore the nation in two.
To reiterate, Lincoln's prevalent desire throughout the war was singular -- to preserve the United States, which overshadowed his disposition against slavery. His desire was NOT to end slavery altogether, but rather to halt its expansion. Lincoln was a devout intellectual that realized a broad advantage in the Emancipation Proclamation.
...Was, as historically documented, adopted at a rather strategic time; it inspired a MYRIAD of slaves to rebel, and it gave the North a more valiant image. This, of course, did many things -- it dramatically weakened the South's already poor economy, strengthened the North via public support, and, perhaps more importantly, it further bolstered the North's resolve to crush the South. Lincoln himself, who didn't want to collapse the South's economy, didn't initially plan to end slavery.
Regardless of Abraham Lincon's initial and prevalent moral and political disposition behind the Civil War, he preserved the Union -- the United States of America itself -- and ended slavery. Historically, he wasn't the grand crusader bent on toppling the prodigious, reproachful, imperial reign of slavery in the South; although he was morally against the practice itself, he understood that it was the South's proverbial lifeblood. The Emancipation Proclamation... (continued)
2)-while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior,and i ,as much as any other man,am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
I will say then that i am not,nor ever have been,in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black race,i am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters of negroes,nor to intermarry with white people,i will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black race which i believe will forever for bid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality and in asmuch as they cannot so live
while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior,and i,as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race,Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln is the only "true" republican besides Reagan. Democrats were designed to kill the United States, and created racist, white supreminist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Yet, today's Democrats try to rewrite history with Obama the Stalinist. Remember your history kids. Or else you'll be these uneducated, democratic drones. But even today's conservatives don't give any care for animals, ect...
Uhhhh...... I think you're confusing liberal vs conservative with republican vs democrat. The original Republican party was created to control the spread of slavery, very different than the modern GOP. The modern Republican Party is now the conservative party whereas the modern Democratic party is now the liberal party, it used to be the opposite.The south now votes GOP (used to vote dem), while New England votes dem, but used to vote Republican.
@normalguyable It's not the killing of animals in itself that bothers me, for I have many hunter friends. But it's the gluttonous insensitive Americans that I have a problem with. They endanger their health while simultaneously wipe out entire species of animals. What insanity.
Mr.Lincoln was one of the best presidents we ever had.
twistedyogert 1 day ago
American are so funny !
They are so naive and they love to glorify their past history......
PrinceSamanti 6 days ago
@PrinceSamanti It's a pretty impressive history to rise in 250 years to dominate the globe.
lastminuteregret 2 days ago
The American glorification of Lincoln is, sadly, too typical of the revisionism and propagandist mythology that characterizes the hypocrisy, contradictions & hidden-agenda of Americvan politics. There was a time when I wouldn't have questioned this 'noble' caricature of Lincoln as a valiant defender of human & civil rights. But now I realize there is MUCH more to this story, that actually Lincoln promoted Banking Syndicate, Federal PTB, MIC, Global Elites & Corporatism. We ALL lost via that war.
starmanskye 6 days ago 2
Redrooster don't know shit
MrWeeedz 2 weeks ago
Abraham Lincoln should not be revered as much as the population does. This man was one of the causes of the American Civil War as it could have easily been avoided. If slavery was that cruel and not humane, why don't you look the the Union's industrialisation- (American Industrial Revolution) which used children to work. I think slaves would be a better alternative than child labour. Slavery would have phased out anyway, as the rest of the world have already stopped the use of slavery.
redrooster241 1 month ago 2
@redrooster241 Most historians disagree with you entirely. The divide existed long before Lincoln, he was only the trigger to the events that would have eventually come anyway. This country had set itself up for implosion, I just thank God we had a man strong enough to prevent it from utterly destroying us.
lastminuteregret 2 days ago
@lastminuteregret As I said, they are different states with different economies, both of which were morally wrong. Southern States with slavery = morally wrong. Using Children to work at factories = morally wrong. USA was most likely the last country to utilise slaves, which would have been phased out anyway due to industrialisation taking place. You stated historians disagree with me entirely, yet you don't put up factual but opinionated points.
redrooster241 1 day ago
NOW YA FUCKED UP
doctorseaweed2 1 month ago
best president ever. period
thisjointisloose 1 month ago
If Lincoln did not pursue a political career but instead, played professional basketball, 600,000 less Americans would be dead and have their futures cut short.
ConstantineJoseph 1 month ago
@ConstantineJoseph And millions more would have remained slaves.
Dglaproductions 1 month ago
@Dglaproductions
And the slavery can be resolved over a longer process just like the rest of the world did, via political measures. Without shedding an ounce of innocent blood of anyone. The blacks also died in the thousands during the civil war, sacrificing themselves for a cause.
War should always be avoided as much as possible.
ConstantineJoseph 1 month ago
@ConstantineJoseph Well the War origionaly wasn't about Slavery. They south Always said it's about tax and tariffs and what ever, but they were afraid of losing their slaves which helped generate their money. Lincoln even said he wouldn't free slaves if the South would stay. But they didn't, then they attacked fort Sumter like a bunch of dumb asses proclaiming their hostility, then Abe had no choice but to attack. Britain, the largest Empire ever, didn't use slaves since 1833.
Dglaproductions 1 month ago
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@pmack169 "The length of the war was because of the improvement in weapons while tactics remained Napoleonic."
That's why there were so many casualties, not why the war lasted so long.
"Once a new crop of Generals who where committed to total victory needed in Modern war it ended really quickly."
The Richmond siege took 9 months. Grant, Sherman, Thomas, and Sheridan had been leading armies and gaining victories in the western theater since the start of the war.
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cwcwful 2 months ago
1851 - linkin makes a speach that states that black people are racialy inferior to whites and the two races could never live along side each other, he wanted to free the slaves because exonomicaly the north could not compete with the south, he wanted to deport all blacks from america back to africa, he wasnt the great imancipator he was a white supremacist who just wanted blacks out of america. Do your homework and dont be too proud to criticise your nations past
skind9119 4 months ago
I'm sure he was a good leader,but to say the United States wouldn't exist without him is bit exaggerated to say the least.I shall leave that to God's providence.So would Lincoln.
vrghiks 5 months ago
@dtaijo174 Don't compare a great American from a bitch ass tyrant like hitler
Thegreatdave1234 5 months ago
@Thegreatdave1234 That's a Confederate-apologist thing to compare Lincoln to Hitler!!!
Deader87 5 months ago
@Deader87 lincon said in the 1850's that black and whites could never stand on the plain of equality and wanted to deport all blacks back to the African continent, he want a lover of erquality, he wanted the slaves free so that the north could compete economicaly with the south. the slaves being freed by lincon but not deported is one of historys greatest and most apreciated acidents. comparing him to hitler is completely insane though when you look at the context of the times
skind9119 4 months ago
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@skind9119 "lincon said in the 1850's that black and whites could never stand on the plain of equality"
Yeah, Lincoln and every other white person in America.
"wanted to deport all blacks back to the African continent"
No, just blacks who wanted to move to Africa. Blacks who wanted to stay could stay.
KayBeeEee1983 3 months ago
@skind9119 Absolutely right in what you say. The best thing that ever happened to America was Lincoln getting a bullet.
Lincoln was also responsible for the deaths and deportation of the Sioux Indians after the Sioux uprising and the seizure of their lands by members of his own cabinet. He hated the Native Americans more than he hated the blacks.
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TheBornConservative 5 months ago
America's 21st century problems: the imperial presidency, perpetual warfare (the military-industrial complex), fiat currency issued by a privately-run central bank can be traced back to Lincoln & the Whig party (a.k.a.: Republican party/Union party).
ThePregnancySlaves 5 months ago
@ThePregnancySlaves
Oh God you're another racist right wing fundamentalist that knows nothing but thinks they are Jesus Christ in the flesh.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Senile Carl Sandburg's Lincoln is depicted as America's Moses, in reality Lincoln was the model for Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, T.R. & F.D.R., Truman, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, Churchill, Castro, Pinochet, Pol Pot & Mao. Lincoln's War cost the lives of 620,000 citizens. Of course: what's 620,000 lives worth amongst the Luciferian racial-cleansing occultists of eugenics?
ThePregnancySlaves 6 months ago
@ThePregnancySlaves It was Jefferson Davis is the one who ordered the first shot against Fort Sumter. The corruption of the New York Banking didn't happened until the Hayes became president, two presidents after Lincoln. So what happened, did Lincoln's zombie corpse came back to life and create havoc for New York's bank? Maybe it is time you graduate remedial preschool that you keep repeating and stop smoking crack, then learn the real facts on history.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 : Your gay-pride issues are of no relevance here.
ThePregnancySlaves 5 months ago
The U.S. Constitution (the Law of the Land) does not provide for one region of the country to wage war with another. Lincoln's War was not Washington's Whiskey Rebellion. The Southern Confederacy legally divorced itself from the corrupt Northern central govt. that took its marching orders from New York's banking houses.
ThePregnancySlaves 6 months ago
Abe 'Adolf' Lincoln had plans to ship U.S.'s Negroes to South America. Here they would fend for themselves. Honest A. Lincoln was a proponent of territories entering the Union as 'Free' states. Free? 'Free' meant that no Negroes were permitted to settle there. 'Free' as in Negro-free.
ThePregnancySlaves 6 months ago
For the people saying "He ain't do nothing." THE MAN ENDED THE 14TH CENTURY SLAVE CULTURE THAT WAS RUINING AMERICA. What more do you need from him? The man understood if your going to call America a democracy, you CAN NOT have slavery within. Something which large faction of people could not comprehend and they suffered the consequences. It's a shame we don't get people like Lincoln, the Roosevelts or Eisenhower in office today.
Redtsar999 6 months ago
@Redtsar999 amen to that
livingisaight 6 months ago
I'm from the South and I say Abraham Lincoln was the best
Redtsar999 6 months ago
His biggest mistake was freeing the slaves
Twebb7771 6 months ago
my point is that it was a pointless war (as most are) and should have ended at Gettysburg, with Meade destroying the Army of N. V. But yet went on for almost 2 more years. I am just bothered by the Lincoln phenomenon, he didn't do anything substantial as far as I'm concerned. Freeing slaves? Now we have black ghettos and white gated communities, huh?
Methrt3 6 months ago
@Methrt3
He didn't let the southern planter and trading aristocracy run the government like they usually did. That's pretty substantial.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
@Methrt3
Strangled trade? Most of them seceded before he even entered office so your comment doesn't even make logical sense as well as historical.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
America's greatest ever dictator who hated slaves
avariceichiban 7 months ago
@avariceichiban
go crawl back under your rock you third world country uneducated plank
ILoveRavenc 6 months ago
@ILoveRavenc better than the third grade education you learned that is being repeated here
avariceichiban 6 months ago
@avariceichiban
i'm guessing the shithole you grew up in is the kind of place they said stuff like "america is a terrorist country" "americans are satanists" "america wants to do nothing more but genocide everyone" ?
One way or the other,your own country most likely has way way way lower standards of both education and accurate history than mine does,you express that very well.
I'm also guessing that you yourself have a dictator in power there who claims he is democratic,right?
ILoveRavenc 6 months ago
i always thought it was something wrong with his face he always appeard part black to me and he tried to free slaves uhmmmmmmmm
jamie201120 7 months ago
How do the British know who was the greatest american president?
If Lincoln hadn't saved the Union, someone else would have.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago in playlist Civil War
@KayBeeEee1983 Well Buchanan had a chance to save the Union but failed. Stephan Douglas certainly wouldn't save the Union because of his arrogance. Lincoln's leadership and greatness saved the Union after so many failed leadership and weak presidents that lead to the Civil War. Lincoln was the first reelected president since Andrew Jackson and it is no coincidence why Lincoln was reelected since Jackson, because Lincoln was great.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 Lincoln was a great political leader. but his arrogance and military leadership almost destroyed the Union. The Union was superior in every tangible way and should have dominated the confederacy. In the civil war, the defender ALWAYS had the advantage because of the rifled musket, yet the Confederacy didn't realize this until 1863 and was super aggressive in the first 2 years. If the Union had stayed on the defensive, the Confederacy would've destroyed itself with their recklessness.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
Lincoln is my favorite president. <3
wallabeetles 7 months ago
"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side."
--- Ulysses S. Grant
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360000mike 7 months ago
@Methrt3, "..don't understand myth....?"
Lincoln was backed by Republicans that were originally Whigs, the elite party of big business. Whig party went out and they joined the Republicans in the 1840s. It was big business that wanted access to the riches of the South and they disliked the South not buying Northern goods. The myth was created after Lincoln in order to continue the status quo. Plus they could NEVER allow the public to understand what really happened.
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360000mike 7 months ago
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@360000mike "Whig party went out and they joined the Republicans in the 1840s."
The Republican party didn't exist until 1854. Why don't you look up this stuff before you post? Have some integrity.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago in playlist Civil War
@TheGrandCapt, We need to remember that Inalienable Rights are granted us by the US Constitution and is declared given by Nature and of Nature's God. It's Natural Rights as described by John Locke. Civil rights are granted by tyrants and political systems whereas the government owns and controls the rights, allowing them to "ITS' " citizens as it deems fit. Which way are we today? Which way were we originally founded? And who changed it? I know you know Capt....
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360000mike 7 months ago
Lincoln was just a lazy bum like Al Sharpton. They are to lazy to work so they start trouble. It is a shame what has happend to the USA.
TheGrandCapt 7 months ago
@TheGrandCapt
That comment was so stupid it made me laugh. Obviously you know nothing about Lincoln.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
Lincoln distroyed this country by invading the south. He was a trouble maker was doing and the North attacked them. I am from New Jersey and see every day how civil rights also distroyed the USA.
TheGrandCapt 7 months ago
I don't understand the myth behind Lincoln. He did nothing substantial during his time in office. Preserving the union? Grant, Sherman and the Army of the Potomac did that. Freeing the slaves? ya right. He forced the southern states to exit the union by strangling trade with the north, then spent 5 years trying to reunite it? Huh? The guy made bad decision after bad decision, very incompetent by all means. Am I missing something? The only reason he's held in such high regard is because he was k
Methrt3 7 months ago
@Methrt3 So very true, the problem is what is in history book today. These books are filled with lies
TheGrandCapt 7 months ago
@TheGrandCapt So what you and @Metht3 that it was Lincoln's fault that the southern states exit the union and not James Buchanan? So what you are saying that Buchanan was never president?
Yahiko25 7 months ago
@Methrt3 "He forced the southern states to exit the union by strangling trade with the north"
I agree with most of what you said, but the 7 deep south states seceded before Lincoln even got into office, and the remaining 4 seceded in the aftermath of Fort Sumter. By the way, the civil war lasted 4 years, not 5.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago in playlist Civil War
How can people diefy Lincoln, he was a tyrant and a power hungry man. Any man that would suspend the constitution in order to control a countrys people is a tyrant why do you think we fought the REV. War. The constitution stands in the time of peace, and war, it is for the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and of the PEOPLE, not the elected gover. The South fought because they didnt want fedzilla telling them how to run their states which Abe did by gun point. And we suffer for it today. Fight Rebel Fight!!!
JoezVendetta 7 months ago
Lincoln was a genius but he was a TERRIBLE war president. He had no military experience whatsoever but he thought he could micromanage the war. He replaced one arrogant braggart with another. Presidents need to stay out of the way of the military. The president should act like the owner of a football team: They make ONE personnel decision, the General Manager (Secretary of War), who focuses on logistics and decides the Head Coach (General of the Army), who decides which men take the field.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 So the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should stay out of the war and not help their own country to win an important war? So what it wrong for Lincoln to read up military strategies and help his country as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES at the best of his abilities?
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 "So the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should stay out of the war and not help their own country to win an important war?"
Yes, if he has no military training. Early on, General-in-chief Scott planned to take control of the Mississippi River before making any land invasion. Lincoln overruled and made the capture of Richmond the Army's top priority. Richmond didn't fall until March 1865, after 4 years and 2 million casualties. The president has other responsibilities beyond the military.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 So what you are saying that the COMMANDER AND CHIEF should be a pussy and NOT be a good leader as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. If Union had no general-in-chief, then who was Ulysses S. Grant? So Palin was wrong by saying "WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMANDER AND CHIEF, NOT A PROFESSOR OF LAW". So we should have a Professor of law and not having a commander and chief. There is a reason that the president is called the commander and chief, he is the LEADER of the US military.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 I'm saying a person with no military background whatsoever shouldn't be dictating military strategy. A good leader knows his own strengths and weaknesses. Grant was made General-in-chief in March, 1864. Go read up on Hitler's military blunders in WW2. He also had almost no military background to speak of. He repeatedly overruled his generals, and it doomed Germany.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 The last time I checked, Lincoln and Hitler are not the same person. The difference is that the Union won the war, Germany lost it. Lincoln pointed George B. McClellan as General-in-Chief but was relieved of his duties when he failed multiple times to capture or kill General Lee when he had a good chance to and then replaced by Grant who forced Lee to surrender, then the Union won the war, not lost it.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 2
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@Yahiko25 So you're unfamiliar with the concept of "analogy". Interesting.
McClellan never had a very good chance to capture Lee's army. Grant couldn't capture Lee's army either, until he outnumbered Lee 4 to 1. Grant was promoted to General-in-chief 2 years after McClellan was relieved. In between there was that 4 months without a general-in-chief and then Henry Halleck took over until March 1864.
You should really do some research on this subject. You're incredibly ignorant.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You are the ignorant one. I thought the Union won the war and the southern states are still part of America, but you are still confused in that area. So since I am going to a southern state, I guess I need to get my passport when I enter Florida. You are the ignorant one who likes pussy presidential leaders and hates great presidential leadership TO AND FOR HIS COUNTRY. McClellen met Lee's army a dozen times but failed to capture, kill or make Lee surrender.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 7
@KayBeeEee1983 There is a reason that the president is labeled as the COMMANDER AND CHIEF, the president is the commander and chief of the US military, the LEADER of the US military.
Being the president has no requirement of being in the Bachmann and Romney wouldn't be running for president. Even since ever, Congress agreed no military requirement needed for the presidency and the president can run the military. But it is clear that you hate hardworking and ambitious leaders like Lincoln.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 3
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@Yahiko25 So you think a person with no military background whatsoever should be dictating military strategy during a war and overruling the top and most experienced generals in the country.
What made Lincoln a good military leader, exactly? The only reason you've given is that the Union won the war. Are you aware that the Union lost twice as many men as the Confederacy? Are you aware it's "Commander-IN-chief" not "Commander AND chief"? Are you aware that Coolidge isn't on Mt. Rushmore?
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I did not say Coolidge was on Mt. Rushmore, I said that few of the great presidents from Washington to Coolidge were on Mt. Rushmore. Lincoln had many lousy generals until Grant and Sherman came to the picture. I guess you do hate strong and good commander-in-chiefs like Lincoln. Lincoln only did is to visit the troops, dismissed bad generals then appointed better ones, give inspirational speeches and read up military tactics. A leader is suppose to be strong and good.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 4
@KayBeeEee1983 A president is suppose to work on the major issues that the president is facing and in Lincoln's case, the Civil War was the biggest issue for him. A great president is suppose to learn and research the subjects that would help the issues, just like Lincoln read up military strategies for himself instead choosing to be a lazy fool. Just like Lincoln, I also believe learning and researching subjects from reading a book to resolve the issues and not be a lazy fool.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 6
@Yahiko25 I think I get what you are saying and you are right. A president is suppose to work the biggest issues while in office, and if he doesn't know about any information that would help the issue, then learn and research the issues, just don't take advice or you might be a fool if an advisor might be corrupted. When Grant was president, he had many corrupted advisor problems. I think Lincoln did not want to be another Franklin Pierce, who is weak and can be bullied.
toboebluefighter 5 months ago 9
@toboebluefighter A good leader takes advice from many different experts, not just one. Yahiko25 is right, in theory, but specifically regarding Lincoln, he's dead wrong.
You both are completely missing the point. Lincoln had no military background, but he was making huge strategic decisions at the very start of the war. He micromanaged the war. Presidents have MANY different responsibilities relating to the war, not just military strategy. A good leader knows his strengths and weaknesses
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 How about answering my question? Do you think a person with no military background whatsoever should be dictating military strategy during a war and overruling the top and most experienced generals in the country? Are you aware that Lincoln relieved Grant in 1862 after the battle of Shiloh (a Union victory)? In the east, he relieved each General and replaced him with a WORSE general. McClellan, Pope, McClellan again, Hooker, Burnside. Each failure was followed up by a bigger failure.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 To answer your question, a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military. As you haven't yet notice, the Union WON the war and Lincoln's leadership resolved one of the biggest issue in American history. But it looks like your ignorance made you believe the Confederates won, so who is the current president of the Confederate State of America? Caycee Anthony?
Yahiko25 5 months ago 2
@Yahiko25 "a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
You think someone who has read some books on military strategy, but who has no actual experience or formal training, should dictate the strategy of a civil war, rather than men who have spent their entire adult lives studying military strategy and even spent years engaging in LIVE BATTLE? You're either a troll or the stupidest person alive.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You're the stupid one who rather have a lazy, weak and very laid back president. So what you are saying that a president should do nothing to strength his weakness and shouldn't learn and research any information to resolve an issue. So a president should not do his homework? A Columbia University professor and historian Eric Foner and historian author Harold Holzer say he did the right thing. This what I mean that your idea of a president and a commander-in chief makes no sense.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 "You're the stupid one who rather have a lazy, weak and very laid back president."
No, I want a president who actually knows what he's doing. Lincoln had absolutely no idea what he was doing when it came to the army.
You and toboebluefighter are obviously the same person. Troll confirmed.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 We are different people you twilight zone freak. You are the troll who can't handle the truth and more than one disagreeing to your bullshit. Being a good president doesn't mean you stop of what you know, being president can mean that you can still learn through many sources, such as books. But it is obvious that you like a president who just takes of what he knows and not learn anything more.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 "10. To lift an autumn hair is no sign of great strength; to see the sun and moon is no sign of sharp sight; to hear the noise of thunder is no sign of a quick ear."
Lincoln isn't a good military just because the Union won. The Union should have dominated the Confederacy.
"11. What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease."
Lincoln made the war much harder than it needed to be.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Let's just end this by saying you got your idea of a president and I got mine. I like a president who is hardworking, determine and willing to do some learning and researching information of his or her own, because the risk of a corrupt advisor, as some presidents found that out the hard way.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 You lost any credibility you had when you said "a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 A Columbia University historian/professor Eric Foner and a historian authors Harold Holzer and James McPherson also agreed Lincoln did the right thing with his leadership with the military. But it is clear that you like presidents who just take what they know and not learn anything more, even it might handle a crisis. Just like Obama must do a very good job for not reading up about the economy and how it works and let an advisor work on the issue. See how is that's going.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 Sun Tzu's "Art of War""
"the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field."
That describes Lincoln's military strategy
"a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army...By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. This shakes the confidence of the soldiers."
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 Lincoln didn't give his generals the opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Almost every time they lost a battle, Lincoln replaced the general.
"He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign"
That sums up the point I'm trying to get across.
"To see victory only when it is within the ken of the common herd is not the acme of excellence.
9. Neither is it the acme of excellence if you fight and conquer and the whole Empire says, "Well done!""
Lincoln
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Many historians and sources says that the Confederates did had some good advantages, such as better generals until Grant, better supplies, they know their territory better and better fighting spirit. The Civil War is a crisis, and just like a US president should do, resolve a crisis. That's one of the reasons why we have a president, handle a major crisis. A good president learns the information about the crisis he or she i handling, just like Lincoln on military strategies.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 Are any of those guys MILITARY historians?
Many in the confederate army didn't even have shoes. The North started using repeating rifles while the South still had muskets and pikes.
The south had WORSE fighting spirit. The southern army started drafting soldiers before the north. Southern soldiers were bitter that slaveholders were allowed to leave the army.
Why don't you do some research on this stuff before you start talking? For example, look up the Anaconda plan
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Maybe you should do some research and grow up. Many historical resources say that the south did had better fighting spirit and have better supplies until the end of the war. You tell me to do research and you are against Lincoln and other presidents doing research of their own? Wow. That tells how a discriminating troll you are. You must be jealous that a Republican is the top of the presidential ranking and your trolling pride is trying to tear him down.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 Grow up? You're obviously using multiple accounts to give your comments thumbs up. 2 in 7 minutes? Grow a brain you pathetic loser. Every single thing you've said about the civil war and Lincoln is wrong. Literally. Every single thing.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 OMG, so the Union did lose the war. So who is the current Confederate president again? My claims are back up with countless historians, sources and experts.It is not my fault that you made so many bullshit comments and claims. It is obvious that you like lousy presidents and doesn't do his homework and research. It is crazy that your 'research' definition seems to be very picky on everything. You are jealous that I got voted because I say is obvious true.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 It's obvious you're an ignorant troll. What rational human being thinks a person with no military knowledge should be overruling the country's top generals and dictating military strategy in a war?
"a person with no military background but smart enough to research military tactics should be dictating the military."
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 @KayBeeEee1983 Let's end this right now. You got your idea of a president and I got mine. I know when a new president is in office he or she doesn't know EVERYTHING, the best to fill that problem much as possible is to research and read the information that would solve an big issue or crisis, just like Lincoln.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 I don't know why I thought it was possible to talk rationally with a person who used a Sarah Palin quote and thought the president was the "commander and chief".
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 First off its Commander IN Chief and The Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces is the President of the United States, according to Article II, Section 2, Clause I of the Constitution
Mach1BluesMan 4 months ago
@Mach1BluesMan That's what I've always said. I was making fun of the other dude who kept writing "commander and chief".
KayBeeEee1983 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I gotcha. Its funny (or sad) how many people say it incorrectly.
Mach1BluesMan 4 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You're obviously the stupid one who doesn't see why Lincoln was the best president, he did many things right overall out of 44 presidents. You are stupid that you rather have presidents who doesn't to research and read information to solve a major issue and crisis. I rather have a president who does research and read information to solve a major issue and crisis. But when you finally graduate remedial preschool that you keep repeating, then you will understand.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 2
@KayBeeEee1983 Lincoln was named in the top three president poll from multiple sources and resulted the best president out of 44 was no accident. It happened by great leadership, hard work, determination and a good balance focus through one of the biggest and most difficult issue that America had to face, the Civil War. The Civil War was an big issue and Lincoln had to resolve it through great leadership and determination.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 "Just like Lincoln, I also believe learning and researching subjects from reading a book to resolve the issues and not be a lazy fool."
Bullshit. You're acting like you're an expert on the civil war and leadership but every comment you make is more ignorant than the last.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You are the ignorant one who loves weak presidents. So what you are saying that the President of the United States should not be learning and researching a subject or information for himself that would resolve an issue? Your idea of a president and being a strong commander-in-chief does not make any sense. Being president does not mean you should stop what you've learned, being president can still research and learn subjects or information that can resolve an issue.
Yahiko25 5 months ago 2
@Yahiko25 Evidently, your idea of a "weak" president is one who is anything less than a totalitarian dictator.
I'm going to say this just one more time. Lincoln had no military background, but he took it upon himself to dictate the Union Army's strategy from the VERY START of the war. He only eased up in 1864 when he put Grant in charge.
I've already said that Lincoln was a good POLITICAL leader. Find me ONE military historian who thinks that Lincoln was a good military leader. Just one.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
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@Yahiko25 "So Palin was wrong by saying "WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMANDER AND CHIEF, NOT A PROFESSOR OF LAW""
Are you aware that, like Obama, Lincoln had no military background and was a lawyer? Are you aware that the President has other duties beyond Commander-in-chief? Can you find one military historian who thinks Lincoln was a good military leader?
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Being a owner of a pro sports team is not like being the President of the United States, there is a lot more to lose. Being President is about leadership, leadership and more leadership, and leading what the United States controls and stands for. There is a good reason Lincoln is considered as the best president by many and his face on Mt. Rushmore along with three other great presidents from Washington to Coolidge presidency.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 ...Coolidge...
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 His military involvement should've been limited to the selection of the General-in-chief and to logistics. He's like the owner of a pro sports team. He should focus on hiring the best General Manager for the job and let him make all the critical decisions. The owner should worry about the business side, and making sure fans can enter/exit the parking lot/stadium quickly and easily. Between March and July, 1862, the Union Army had no general-in-chief. Lincoln filled that role himself.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I guess the Union lost the war since you believe Lincoln did a horrible job. I guess he is worst that George W. Bush who did almost nothing with the post-Iraq War that lead to a disaster. The South did have a few advantages such as having good supplies, knowing their territory and fighting spirit, just like the Americans Revolution when the American had the almost same advantages and disadvantages. But Lincoln's leadership still triumphed.
Yahiko25 5 months ago
@Yahiko25 "So what it wrong for Lincoln to read up military strategies and help his country as the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES at the best of his abilities?"
Reading up on military strategies is a complete waste of time when the war's already begun. There were hundreds of officers in the Army who graduated from military academies. They spent years learning about military strategy/tactics and they put what they learned into practical use in the Mexican War. Trust them with strategy.
KayBeeEee1983 5 months ago
Homeless Christ 02 Colloquium minute 7: on Abraham Lincoln
Colloquium2011 7 months ago
18 people are Fucked -- im austrlian and i Think abraham linclon is better then Any 1 -
FPSAustralian1 8 months ago
What a great man!
Speculativeness 8 months ago
Yankee trash
EricDavidFloyd 8 months ago
@EricDavidFloyd Mad cuz they/we won?
lesliejessica27 8 months ago
greatest ever? well ill stop here.. i see this is gonna be the media propaganda bullshit without any truth.
kingslegion1 9 months ago
@BluffRat Lincoln had many things as he did characteristics. Writing a book is not the best idea. You can debate it as much as you want all day long but the bottom line is he's just too complex to even do so. There were many people who were capable in some form or fashion of figuring him out, but there were none who could understand him. He had the mind of a being who understood the intricacies of reality itself. To say reading a book about the REAL Lincoln is just that. A book.
fantasymaster71 9 months ago 2
@fantasymaster71 "ou can debate it as much as you want all day long but the bottom line is he's just too complex to even do so. There were many people who were capable in some form or fashion of figuring him out, but there were none who could understand him. He had the mind of a being who understood the intricacies of reality itself. To say reading a book about the REAL Lincoln is just that. A book."
Jeez, get a grip. He died on Good Friday, but he wasn't Jesus. Lincoln was an asshole.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You could be a little tactful you know. He is my cousin man. As far as I know, he saw slavery in a condition in New Orleans that he found very unfavorable. I've grown since then. So at least try to be a little courteous. And I know the man wasn't jesus. But he is my cousin and I only have 2 famous people related to me, so like to be proud of what they did and think it did some good. So, please try at least be a little more respectful man.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago 2
@fantasymaster71 trololol. You've grown since when? Since 1860? XD Lincoln was a douche bag
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Ok, one more god damning mother fucking word out of you ya pussy licking, wife fucking, slandering son of a bitch who as nothing better to do than slander peoples families and I'm going to call one of my friends up and put a hit on you. And you're going to die in pain most unimaginable which the world hasn't seen yet. Your opinion matters to you and only you.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@fantasymaster71 "pussy licking, wife fucking"? Is that supposed to be an insult? Are you gay?
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 No, I will not let you make me slander my cousin's name, no, I am not, Yes, that was an insult, no the method of exalting went out years ago even though it's still used today, no I don't expect you to change your ways, yes I do believe your from the south, yes I did string those words together to purposefully insult you, and yes the truest insults do hurt. you'll learnt hat when you do it One day it will dawn on you exactly what I did. There i am done. No more slander remarks.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@fantasymaster71 How is "pussy licking, wife fucking" an insult?
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Because it's true. When you get married, you'll think about. I hope you'll remember me in your head. Glaring at you with the hatred of the devil himself. My mouth open so far, it's popped off it's hinges and a voice inside saying: You're mine.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 You don't have to like Lincoln, in fact why don't you stop replying to my fucking comments you white supremist, nazi bitch fucker. Nobody asked you to insult anyone. You started this whole god damned thing you bastard. Now either you shut the fuck up or the devil's highest servant himself, is gonna fuck you up so bad you won't live to tell the tale and no one else is gonna recognize your god damned torn and mutilated face you son of a mother fucking bitch. So you lay off/ die.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@fantasymaster71 Wow, you have serious mental problems, troll. You're not related to Lincoln. You're a liar. XD
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Well, if you don't believe me: Brett Beasley, Karen Williford Beasley, Winnie Barbara Swafford, George Layfette Swafford, Ruth Armilda Snipes, Merritt Linzey Snipes, Anne Snipes, Elizabeth Hanks, Elijah Hanks, William Hanks, William Hanks, bro of John Hanks, Joesph Hanks, James Hanks, Nancy Hanks, Abraham Lincoln. I wrote this form the family pedigree. Tom Hanks is down in the tree too. He's my 8th cousin. his grandfather was the son of John Hanks 8 spots down from him. bite.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@fantasymaster71 You're mentally unstable. No one in your family is credible or trustworthy.
KayBeeEee1983 7 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 I am no longer arguing with you on this subject. If you don't like it then fuck yourself. As impossible as that is.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
Abraham lincoln was forced to free slavery ...beacsuse if he didnt, this whole country would
of come crashing down...their is a saying might of been gay
satan865 9 months ago
@satan865 that is not true. Lincoln was a very interesting man. Of all the people in the world, he was the closest to God or Allah or whoever it is you worship. He may have been, by his nature, very intelligent and undecernable when it came to relationships. He had far too many characteristics to even be put in one group. He was capable of talking to the nerds or hanging with reckless kids. Regardless, his nature is not debatable. His image was quite rigid, but by no means evil.
fantasymaster71 9 months ago
Destroy slaver? I am pretty sure the only reason he abolished slavery in the SOUTH was to gain an advantage against the south. Crippling their economy.
Read the Emancipation Proclamation yourself. It frees the slaves in the rebellious areas of the south not in the north. They were still allowed to have slavery.
GreenMoviePlanet 9 months ago
@GreenMoviePlanet wrong he did destroyed slavery in all america
TheRealxDave 9 months ago
@GreenMoviePlanet wrong he did destroyed slavery in all america also look at the 13 amendament
TheRealxDave 9 months ago
@GreenMoviePlanet This is incorrect. You judge a man whose own morals contradicted the nations very way of life. He strove for freedom in the best way he could. If it had been possible for him to completely abolish it he would have, but he was unable to and as a result could only try the best way to unite the nation. And with all that went on, he was more than willing to ween the south off of slavery. but they were unwilling to even compromise and the only way he was able to do so was that.
fantasymaster71 9 months ago
@GreenMoviePlanet and that was the civil war. A war waged with the victor deciding on who actually won. The union won and thus, it was officially abolished in the south. but by no means did it end. The highest cost for this war was simply: Destabilization. After Lincoln died, the nation kept taking very deep and very demoralizing plunges. Humanity became more diseased in their minds, their morals were bought by the dark in their hearts. And even papers have slandered good workers names.
fantasymaster71 9 months ago
13 Neo-rebels wish the south had won the war!!!
Deader87 9 months ago
@Deader87 please be respectful to my ancestor. Do not slander his name with your vain attempts at being the best on a site whose popularity is determined simply by counting numbers. If you have no more honor the evil in your own heart can buy then please, do not insult him or me. Just because he died, it doesn't mean his DNA does not still live on. His most closest and most accurate being is watching you. Please if ye must slander do it to no one because no one deserves any disrespect.
fantasymaster71 9 months ago
@halfvulcan you may be corect. i don't know. what i do know is the private banks control everything. that has to end now.
theratfarmer 10 months ago
Greatest....my ass. Says who....a Britt who knows no real freedom
DixieOfDeKalbCounty 10 months ago
@DixieOfDeKalbCounty as much as you do. Not even you have as much freedom as the world. What are you? Still bound down by airline restrictions and travel boundaries just cause you can't fly? you're no better than the rest of us. I see these weaknesses are, anyone who makes claims like these attempt to exalt themselves higher when the sad reality is that everyone is the same in limits. I'm no different than you or your father or family. And I assume this is the mark of White Supremists.
fantasymaster71 7 months ago
@fantasymaster71 what?
DixieOfDeKalbCounty 7 months ago
Pre. Lincoln is a great person in american history.
addamrocks2006 10 months ago
lincoln had the guts to hang his head out there, and it was chopped off. it had nothing to do with slavery. he knew about all these little things that all you people think about everyday. he had the US treasury print money to fund the war, thats why he was killed. if your scraching your head right now, you don't have enough brain power to figure this out. you think you know, you know nothing.
theratfarmer 10 months ago
Poor Abe, suffered the same fate as the guy in front of P Wee Herman, a shot to the back of the head =[
mastersapprentice69 11 months ago
...In short, Lincoln crushed the rebellion before it grew more formidable. An even bloodier conflict may well have ensued.
Elena9535 11 months ago
@Elena9535 Will you marry me? That was the most intelligent, well-spoken string I've read in a LOOOOOOONG time!
LethargicChaos 11 months ago
If Abraham Lincoln hadn't acted accordingly... *Gulps.*
Maybe we're all stupid, so I'll sum it up. Two small, separated countries which resent each other -- and reside NEXT TO each other -- equals dissent and conflict, which is a CONSPICUOUS lose-lose.
Don't tell me you honestly believe Abraham Lincoln was the only man in support of preserving the Union. Other politicians would've eventually roused the inevitable conflict between North and South -- even if Abe himself had done nothing.
Elena9535 11 months ago
Wait! I'm not quite done. In southern drawl, I'll express what idiots think of Lincoln to this very day.
"HUR, HUR! OL' ABE LINCOLN WUS A EVIL, BIG OL' TYRANT! HE GOIN' TO HAYELL (hell)!!"
...Um, what? Even if Lincoln WAS a viscious, bloodthirsty tyrant, which he wasn't, his overarching political resolve is the sole reason the United States prospered in the decades following the Civil War.
Elena9535 11 months ago
@Elena9535 I'm from NewOrleans and have been all over the South. Only hillbillies in the deep country (and not even all of them) talk like that. Stop acting like a typical ignorant Northerner who thinks they are of higher intellect.
bromar16 7 months ago
It wasn't his initial intention to end slavery. That's irrelevant. He DID end slavery.
It wasn't his initial intention or expectation to wage such a long and bloody war. That's irrelevant. In the end, he did what he set out to do; he preserved the Union.
"Sacrifice, no matter how dear, must always be made in light of the greater good."
Elena9535 11 months ago
...This only deepens my respect for Lincoln. Regardless of civil violation and sacrifice, prodigious bloodshed, and a terrible economic depression that rippled throughout the South, he waged the Civil War -- and won -- for the greater, long-term good of the nation as a whole.
Sugar coat it all you want; Abraham Lincoln, albeit cold, logical, and calculating, was one of our nation's most involved, devout leaders.
Elena9535 11 months ago
Lincoln, moreover, only wanted to contain slavery; this would historically elicit a storm of dissent and strife, which tore the nation in two.
To reiterate, Lincoln's prevalent desire throughout the war was singular -- to preserve the United States, which overshadowed his disposition against slavery. His desire was NOT to end slavery altogether, but rather to halt its expansion. Lincoln was a devout intellectual that realized a broad advantage in the Emancipation Proclamation.
Elena9535 11 months ago
...Was, as historically documented, adopted at a rather strategic time; it inspired a MYRIAD of slaves to rebel, and it gave the North a more valiant image. This, of course, did many things -- it dramatically weakened the South's already poor economy, strengthened the North via public support, and, perhaps more importantly, it further bolstered the North's resolve to crush the South. Lincoln himself, who didn't want to collapse the South's economy, didn't initially plan to end slavery.
Elena9535 11 months ago
Regardless of Abraham Lincon's initial and prevalent moral and political disposition behind the Civil War, he preserved the Union -- the United States of America itself -- and ended slavery. Historically, he wasn't the grand crusader bent on toppling the prodigious, reproachful, imperial reign of slavery in the South; although he was morally against the practice itself, he understood that it was the South's proverbial lifeblood. The Emancipation Proclamation... (continued)
Elena9535 11 months ago
Apparently propaganda is easier to sell that history. It's almost, but not quite funny.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
a letter from this rascist abraham lincoln,nuff said
wisedomee 1 year ago
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2)-while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior,and i ,as much as any other man,am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
wisedomee 1 year ago
I will say then that i am not,nor ever have been,in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black race,i am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters of negroes,nor to intermarry with white people,i will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black race which i believe will forever for bid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality and in asmuch as they cannot so live
wisedomee 1 year ago
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while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior,and i,as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race,Abraham Lincoln
wisedomee 1 year ago
What is said during 0:58 to 1:01
I can't understand it.
"and ..?.. he was taught to work the land.. ?"
DjMelstaitz 1 year ago
Lincoln is the only "true" republican besides Reagan. Democrats were designed to kill the United States, and created racist, white supreminist groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Yet, today's Democrats try to rewrite history with Obama the Stalinist. Remember your history kids. Or else you'll be these uneducated, democratic drones. But even today's conservatives don't give any care for animals, ect...
Tyco200 1 year ago
@Tyco200
Uhhhh...... I think you're confusing liberal vs conservative with republican vs democrat. The original Republican party was created to control the spread of slavery, very different than the modern GOP. The modern Republican Party is now the conservative party whereas the modern Democratic party is now the liberal party, it used to be the opposite.The south now votes GOP (used to vote dem), while New England votes dem, but used to vote Republican.
biggzcorey 1 year ago
lincoln supported animal rights and not killing animals for food, not like today where americans are murderers!
normalguyable 1 year ago
@normalguyable It's not the killing of animals in itself that bothers me, for I have many hunter friends. But it's the gluttonous insensitive Americans that I have a problem with. They endanger their health while simultaneously wipe out entire species of animals. What insanity.
speedlearner 9 months ago