this black dude is retarded...in a court of law one of the most compelling pieces of evidence is a strong MOTIVE to commit a certain crime...so yes if you believe in a book and read it, then in your head you go "oh hey this is telling me to kill people of another religion" the blame falls on both the individual AND the "object" or "ideal" that they felt overruled the man made system of law
who the hell thinks that atheists are worse off than Muslims, atheist are not persecuted against, because they must first be self proclaimed, it is the Arabs who a persecuted for their faith, and are identified by the color of their skin, it is not the Indonesian Muslims who is treated poorly, but those from the middle east. atheism must be self proclaimed, and has no ethnic characteristic that would identify them
Why do people take so much offense if you say, "We were attacked by Muslims." That's not a blanket statement, it's not racist. How thick do you have to be to hear that and honestly think that the person saying it means that every single Muslim in the world is responsible for 9/11? If 3 men mugged me and I said, "I was mugged by men." Would you really think I meant every man in the world robbed me? Maybe I could have been clearer, but some people just have a chip on their shoulder.
You athiests are foolish lost little children who think they are so smart but who dont know they are caught in satan's trap. Stop and think study the masons, illuminati, bohemians ,skull and bones bilderbergers these are the elite people of the world the most smartest powerful people in the world they control the world and these people have acknowledged Jesus Christ as there enemy and the devil as their master. So think about how confussed and lost you are if you claim athiesm
p.s isn't barney frank one of the guys that helped this country so much in the economy we have today ? Point your fingers get mad at the people that have morals that are really trying to change the country for good and now dig it into the ground. All I know is I don't agree with your politics and i know I shouldn't get all worked up because at the end of the day I feel like I am a happy person and can tell that you probably aren't and feel bad but you did it to yourself , goodnight america
Wait your saying that atheist and muslims haven't been persecuted ? jews,christians have? hmm did you just say you never read the book in arabic and then change it to you just trust your people what there saying . people don't listen to this guy he doesn't even get his facts straight he gets the facts that he likes straight . If you don't beleive in anytning and beleive you just die after this life then why not help us all out and kill yourselves now and not try and force people tobe as sad as u
Bill is not correct I personally would love to debate him on stalin verse religious horrific wars,revolutions,etc. Religion does not make people hate, or angry, it used by others to do that, but there is no difference between stalin or Hitler, or the crusaders, who used religion to get people to do things or nationalism, or patriotism, to do it. Its comes down to a root us or them tribalism, which religion can do, or communism can do, its an US or them, and its down to money and power.
I dont think that the bible alone causes such agression and hate. It might be a factor but there are always catalyzers involved which cause the real problem. The problem with religion is that it allows people to stop thinking for themself.
Hitler wasn't an atheist. He was a Roman Catholic. There are countless quotes and references to Christianity in his speeches and writings. Regardless of whether or not he was atheist, a lot of his most influential and infamous officers were practicing Christians.
And yes, Stalin was an atheist, but his regime, and his motives were not based around atheist. You cannot discount an entire group of people because of a few people. Same goes for any other belief system.
Bill Maher and Christopher Hitchens are wonderful people. I love Maher's comedy and Hitchens is a frighteningly intelligent man. But its when they come to the topic of religion where you can see that what motivates them is a certain type of absolutism and fanaticism which they criticise religious extremists for holding. It does them no favours in my opinion and I think that as long as atheists like Maher dominate the argument, its just another religion.
The fundamental problem with atheists attacking the religious by using people like Breivik as examples by citing their religious belief is that they are totally missing the point. Al-Queda blew up the twin towers to get US bases out of Saudi Arabia (primarily - religious belief was secondary), and Breivik killed 77 people in a youth camp because they were the party of immigration allowing for 'muslim extremeism'. Its exactly like saying Stalin killed because he was an atheist and it doesn't work
God, Keith Ellison is so naive. I just read Sam Harris's End of Faith. He has a section of 5 1/2 pages of violent quotes from the Koran. And he doesn't list each quote in its own paragraph, he would group several into one paragraph.
I have a feeling that somebody gave Ellison "My Pet Goat" and told him it was the Koran, expecting that he would figure it out eventually and he hasn't to this time.
Atheism is a choice by people who are logical, rational, evidenced mined people. So were seen as bad and evil people simply because we refuse to believe in medieval thinking, rituals, traditions?
i've this keith ellison guy a couple of times on Bill's show. He's extremely weak and can barely articulate his points across. He cannot defend his points at all
Anyone saying Hitler was an atheist haven't heard the man speak or read the man's screed. No one has decided to slaughter because of atheism. Its a negation of theism. Nothing more.
Read the Quran since he was nineteen years old!!???? that's a lotta bull,, I bet he didn't even get passed the the third or maybe fourth Sura (chapter)... what an idiot.
I just love it when people use the argument that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, murdered millions in the name of atheism, because it only serves to point out how ignorant the people making this statement are.
Another weird part about that argument (which i don't see many people pointing out) is: if you must mention crimes atheists did - by all means. But if you do, it would be fair to compare atheists with theists, not for example atheists wit Christians (which happens all the time).
All dictators are leaders of cults of personality. This is nothing new, it's general knowledge! So please, stop saying Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-il and so forth were athiests, because they convinced people to believe that they were chosen by a higher power to lead their people. Basically like every single religious leader throughout history have used the stupidity of the people to their advantage.
i dont think the USA went to war in iraq in the name of religion. but we have to stop blaming religion as if its the cause of the wars happening.......hello US govt sent in the CIA to instal the Shah in Iran who became a dictator, after that there was the hostage crisis when radicals took American hostages for 444days, then we have 9/11 and then 2 wars. if u connect the dots u will realize that religion maybe a symptom but not the main cause of the problem...thats imperialism
; Exactly, 20 July 1933, Adolf Hitler sent his representatives to the Vatican to sign the concordant, and get the Vatican's blessing before building forced labour camps. Communism worked with the Russian Orthodox Church, as proved by the fact the Russian Orthodox Church surfaced at the end of Communism without a scratch on it. I'm a Satanist, which are Atheists, and our Atheism goes to eleven, and Satanists, as with Atheists, don't fly air-plane into buildings.
3 - Money is always an excuse, the last war was more about making money on oil then retaliation for 9/11, which wasnt related to Iraq at all.
5 - 99%?? No, lots of scientist are either religious or agnostic, because of their own experiences in scientific studies.
6 - Thats just BS!
Im an atheist, I get the message you try to get across and I believe religion is a dangerous thing. But you can't just throw fake stats and 99% of this and that!!
@Cacacos I am not even religious, but support some real facts - you sound defensive and, in turn, it makes you sounds like an extemist. Number 3 and 5 are nuts haha
@Cacacos No study by the AAS has ever found a number as high as 99%. I am an atheist but I do think that we should provide accurate numbers for arguments. Percentages have ranged between 50%-93% based on the poll questions and has never taken into consideration deism or agnosticism. I tend to believe it's well over 70%.
1) He was raised Christian, he wasn't when he came into power.
2) Joseph Stalin/Pol Pot - I could list many more
3) That's a fallacious argument. Human beings have gone to war for more reasons than religion - land, race, boredom etc. women, imperialism, in fact Religion is rarely the reason.
4)Good for you, so continue to be atheist, no one cares.
5) Most who are said to be atheist are actually deists or agnostic. Ie. Darwin/Lincoln
@Cacacos Also it's 80%. 80% of criminals are God believers. Not suggestive of anything given than 85% of the world is theist, this doesn't take into consideration deists and agnostics. So this is just a ratio that reflects the world. Good try though.
@Sonnyxleet Is not collecting stamps a hobby? No. Is having the T.V. turn off considered a channel? No. Is not holding a belief system a belief? No. Is bald a hair colour? No. Are you wrong? Yes.
@Sonnyxleet You can't counter the logic argument I presented can you? So you pretend it doesn't matter. Typical trolling theist "I have no answer therefore everyone else must not either." You have nothing intelligent to contribute so you fall back on mindless denial and pseudo-condescension, Bravo sir, Bravo.
@LivingInBadFaith You cannot prove your theory, so you resort to name calling. Typical. Also, to "counter" the so-called "logic argument" that you presented: The logic behind collecting stamps and the logic behind a system of beliefs have no correlation, therefore your attempt at disproving Atheism as a system of beliefs failed miserably. To further disprove your already horrible analogy; the disbelief in the existence of deities is still the belief that deities don't exist.
@LivingInBadFaith Therefore, Atheism is indeed a religion. A religion is, in the very least, a belief system. If you want to be absurdly technical,then of course Atheism isn't a religion. But, I'm sure we all know that the involving of technicalities is typically associated with fear due to the lack of structure in one's own belief.
Also, I am not a theist. Perhaps, next time you won't let your tantrums ruin your point-of-view. The perspective of an idiot is not respected.
@Sonnyxleet There's a big difference between a belief system and religion, sorry but no matter how much you try to blur the line, one is not the other. Since nothing can be proven to a 100 percent degree of certainty, we hold beliefs about everything you are correct in that. However, do you believe in gravity? I do, it's not based on faith, but according to your definition it would qualify as my religion. Do you see why this is incoherent? Religion requires more than just belief.
@Nucl3arTeacup Clearly you don't understand the definition of religion. A religion is, as I said before, in its very least, a set of beliefs. You can argue that as much as you want but you will be wrong. Somewhere along the line people started mixing GOD with religion, so it has become an association, but the definition of religion has not changed merely because people who follow theist religions associate the word with their belief.
@Sonnyxleet What flawed logic drives your reasoning. By your logic, when I wake up in the morning and believe my kitchen is still affixed to my house before I see it still attached is a religious belief, is it? Which is beside the point to begin with as the logic of my original argument stands, not having a belief or system of beliefs (which is what atheism is) doesn't constitute a belief or belief system. Just as not having a hobby doesn't constitute having a hobby.
"...then of course Atheism isn't a religion." As you correctly said.
"But, I'm sure we all know that the involving of technicalities is typically associated with fear due to the lack of structure in one's own belief." Is you having your own little 'tantrum' and trying to insult me, so does that ruin your own argument? perhaps, maybe you should get off your high horse and read your own 'tantrums' before calling me on what I say.
@Sonnyxleet You're having a tantrum instead of debating. How is attacking me with stereotypes not being defensive, but what I'm doing is counted as defensive? And if I must 'try too hard' to convince someone how NOT HAVING A SYSTEM OF BELIEFS about the supernatural (atheism in a nutshell) is not the same as HAVING A SYSTEM OF BELIEFS about the supernatural, well then I don't understand how I could be any clearer. It's kind of... what do you call it? Sad.
@LivingInBadFaith No tantrums, bro. But nice try. You're the one typing in capitals, raging out over some YouTube comments. Lol. You have your opinion dude, it just so happens that your opinion has been proven wrong countless times by numerous people, but damnit, you have the right to your own opinion!
@Sonnyxleet he used capitals to highlight the important bits, you're really dumb, fuck you for using the 'you're madder than me so i win' cop out, it proves that you are wrong. also so does any dictionary
There's no such things as "natural rights", and when the constitution was written, the word "human rights" didn't include unborn humans, that's a fact. People is wrong, the problem, they think, is whether it's a human or not, that's irrelevant, the law was not written with that in mind, we should think what's better objectively, instead of over reading an old document and try to find anwser to new problems in a book that's basely an anwser to old problems.
The problem is faith, on what it doesn't matter. Faith is blind, and it's opposite to Critical Thinking, once you've got a bunch of moronic people who suspend critical judgment, you've got yourself a problem, Religions are the biggest creators of faith. On the other hand, Atheist don't have any in common but a lack of faith on a particular thing, but you can't treat them like if they were part of something, because they aren't. Hitler didn't convince people by using Atheism, come on.
Suicidal morons flew planes into buildings, but they happen to be muslim. Anders Breivik killed 90 people, and he happened to be christian. Stalin and others did some crazy shit, and they were atheists.
This "some christians/muslims/atheists did this" argument is invalid. They didn't do what they did because of their religion or lack thereof, they did it because of their sick and twisted ideologies. I'm an atheist and like discussing things, but this argument just doesn't work in anyone's favor.
@Tr1pTr0p - That's a false equivalence. Athiesm does not provide an in-built rationale to murder and kill. Religion does. Atheism is simply a lack of faith in God - it is essentially a negative category. The (positive) beliefs of atheists can vary considerable.
Stalin and others did not kill BECAUSE of atheism. They simply happened be atheists. Religious fundamentalist terrorists kill BECAUSE the rationale to do so is provided by their religious texts and beliefs.
All"abortion is wrong" and yet a woman has a right to decide what she does with her property. Typical confused lack of rationality from Sullivan. Killing a zygote or fetus up to a certain point is no different then pulling the plug on a person in a persistent vegetative state. The real question is what happens when that fetus develops an ability to feel pain and further still form a rudimentary consciousness. It only matters if there is a there there. Roe V Wade likely gets it right.
There is strong evidence that Hitler was catholic, but that's largely irrelevant because he invoked christian faith in his followers, whom we're for the most part catholic (like for example all the guards in the concentration camps). Also guess with whom the ever first treaty signed by the nazi party was with? If you guessed the vatican then you win a golden star, and it was signed in order to facilitate the dissolution of the catholic center party mentioned in the video to clear the opposition.
hahha there is an argument whether Hitler was athiest or catholic, Chris Mathews, and Bill Maher know what their talking about, but the top thumbed comments act like their idiots?
You mustn't judge an entire group of people by one individual. This is hard to explain. I think all religions are almost completely retarded, I don't support religions at all. I do however support people who aren't assholes. That's why I hate about 60% of the population in Israel, and why I hate terrorists (I don't acknowledge Palestinians). So long as a person doesn't do what terrorists and other criminals usually do, he's alright (Israel does that in self defense, the world doesn't see it)
@willjk3025 Usually when I try to prove a point and someone asks for my source I actually give them the source instead of saying "I watched some old archival footage in college why don't you go look it up yourself." But thats just me, someone who likes to have a rational discussion rather than just try to prove a point that may or may not be valid. Information without fact is not information, so thanks for nothing.
@willjk3025 By that logic he must have had all of the churches in Germany burned down too. I would like to see your source for the claim about what the SS were taught about Jesus however.
@obaidCarkey Hundreds of millions? No. That isnt accurate. But the real tragedy of all religions is not how many people they kill, its how they have held back our development. You dont get dark ages without religion.
well, if you would read a book or two, then you would find out that the islamic world never knew the dark ages!-science there and then was experiencing a boom, partly inspired by religion!--the west is not center and the measure of the world, you know!
@obaidCarkey Iirc, only in their war when there was a need to compete with Europe's armies. Funny enough the Arabian locality suffered the same problem as Alexandrian and others; a brief period of true learning and science followed by destruction and restraint by religious masses who thought that doing science was corrupting them because it was so unlike the way of their holy texts. Same for several regions of the world. One could argue that the middle east is experiencing a new Dark Age now.
the middle east is re-awakening in lightspeed!--Even europe is being rejuvenated by muslim youngsters who are present in huge numbers at european universities and in european parlements and businesses with the most sophisticated technologies.
Harvard, princeton and oxford have opened shop in arab countries. Arabs are more european than europeans now; you will find more arabs speaking french than the germans do and for every other eur. language!
@obaidCarkey It is true that science made great progress in the Islamic world during a 300 year period between 900 and 1200 AD when Islam retreated from its zealous fundamental form and became muc more secular. Then came along Imam Hamid al-Ghazali and what a disaster! He took Muslims and Islam right back to the dark ages just like Christaianity did later. Religion of ANY kind is BAD NEWS for science.
Watch this: Islam and Science in the Middle East 9th-12th Century
Nothing factual in your argument. No history, nothing of interest..........you don't know very much do you? Judging by the state of your argument you're not capable of learning either, that's the saddest part (for you).
Do you know how many britains and americans, aussies and canadians are turning to islam every year?--islam is the topic on everyones mind, including you and every politician!
Islam and muslims are the source of inspiration for the rest of the world in the fields of religion and politics and the present protests across the world!--Islam is the last threat to capitalism which is destroying our planet!
@obaidCarkey Islam? Inspiration? Inspired to kill people by suicide bombing? Inspiring to hate other religions? I would rather die than turn to Islam (I'm atheist but if I were forced to turn to a religion I would turn to Christianity, least dangerous).
@obaidCarkey doesn't matter, I've never watched it. Point is, the way I see it, most Muslims, or at least a lot of them, want to take over Israel, although it belongs to the Jews. They would still have parts of it if they hadn't started a war (the six days war I think), but now they resort to killing innocent people who live here, and they can do that because the government here is so fucking retarded (releasing 1027 terrorists for one soldier, that was GENIUS).
@obaidCarkey I'm going to put this as simply as I can so you can get it: I DON'T WATCH FOX, OK?! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THEY SAY ON FOX, OK?! And ye, the wars were started by Israel, but think about it, did they start them just because they felt like it? No, they did because they had to, because even then the Arabs were attacking. And btw, the day after Israel was declared a country, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon attacked Israel.
99,99% of jews in israel came to israel (from russia, poland, america etc.) after theodore herzl preached a new national state for jews!--they conquered the land just like they do now in the westbank, by stealing land!
most jews changed their polish and russian names for made-up hebrew ones!
@obaidCarkey Okay, I don't know about 99.99%, but I do know that mainly Jews started coming to Israel after the first Jewish Congress in Basel, where Beniamin Ze'ev Herzel suggested founding a country just for the Jews. They came to Israel before 1948 and lived here and gave bribes to the Turks/Ottomans so that they would let them be. Eventually the Ottoman empire fell, the Jews came and settled.
And why do you keep bringing the Russians and Poles up? This is not what this argument is about.
because jews claim palestine never existed and that the area was empty!
golda meir said: "there are no palestinians!"
imagine the muslim indonesians all changing to hinduism and that after prosecution in bosnia, the muslim bosnians go to indonesia to claim the land for themselves and chase the indonesians away!
Nearly all ancient hebrews have turned to islam! Modern jews are khazaris from the caucasus who spread to russia and poland and germany and later to palestine
@obaidCarkey a) No Jew says Palestine never existed, no Jew says that it was empty. What they do say is that this area rightfully belongs to them (I agree with that).
b) Modern Jews aren't all from Russia, Germany, and between. The majority here are descendants of Moroccans and Spaniards, and they are tactless, rude douchebags who can't tell a Russian from a Korean. The rest are Ashkenazim, which means they came from Europe (except Spain).
if you agree with that, then you agree with every expulsion and death of every palestinian!
what does that say about atheists then?--we cannot be selective and say that a death caused by a muslim is due to islam and a death caused by a jew is only defensive and a death caused by a christian isonly caused by the devil in him and not the christian side of that person.
@obaidCarkey But to return to the actual argument, Islam may have been originally good, but once again, morons tried to dig into it and find new meaning which isn't there, and they come up with "suicide bomb Israel and fly airplanes into the WTC", when actually Muslims are told NOT to harm Jews, because they are "Am Ha-Sefer" (the people of the book).
Objective we can say muslims are the least murderous of all religions and above all; they dont hide their killings behind communism, socialism, nazism, zionism etc.
the truth always dies first before any human deaths, like a serial killer who hides his face or a soldier who puts his killstripes on his face!
in israel/palestine all the expulsions and deaths originate from the lie that palestine was empty/up for grabs!-thats why there are now 5 million palest. refugees
@obaidCarkey Islam is the least murderous? I really don't know about that, however, Islam seems to be proving to be the most dangerous religion (all are dangerous, Islam is more). Without all religion, the world would just be so much better, one major thing less to argue about. If there isn't Islam, there will be much less terror, Israel would be free from the bombings from Gaza, and Europe would also have one less thing to worry about.
jews are only 16 million in the world, yet they have displaced 10 million palestinians ( 5 million are living outside westbank and gaza). Most bombs in palestine are dropped by israel and most deaths are palestinian (500.000 since 1948) , not jewish israeli!
for muslims to equal the jews they would have to kill 62.5 million people in the past 60 years and they would have to make 1.2 billion refugees!
and thats not counting in the proxy wars incited by aipac-jews!
@obaidCarkey this is my last answer because I'm getting annoyed by this. Israel didn't take kill for no reason, for example, the 1027 terrorists who were released were murderers, they weren't in prison just for the heck of it. On a side note: (hate resorting to this) when the Muslims go through a Holocaust and being hated century after century after century just for accomplishing more, talk to me.
@obaidCarkey (wasn't asking for forgiveness but whatever) they such fucking assholes, it's just unbelievable. They are incredibly rude, no respect for their parents, teachers, other grown ups, they are retarded, loud, pick on the little guy and preach tolerance while being racist against Arabs (justified, but discriminating every single Arab is stupid) and sometimes Russians (who helped them with forming Israel, not to mention other aspects in which the Russians influenced them).
@obaidCarkey Moroccans here hate Russians, because we are better than they are (mostly). Although they don't go to synagogue, they keep Kosher very strictly. I don't think Russians are any more racist than anyone else (any average citizen of any other country), I know Russians here are not too fond of the Moroccans. And yes, the Moroccans are so similar to the Arabs, so they hate them because of the bombings and other attacks.
Bottom line: Russians>50% of Ashkenazim>Pig shit>Moroccan Jews
@obaidCarkey The measure of the world is the society that is the most tolerant, fair, and lawful now. That might not be the US, but it is certainly a western country. There was a time when the middle east contributed much to civilization, but those days appear to be over. The western dark ages are over, but the middle eastern dark age is happening now. Case in point, a lot of Islamic countries still hold public beheadings which is disgusting and barbaric.
according to your measurements, the western dark ages must have lasted from the stone age to ww2 to present day!
No country in the east or south can equal the west when it comes to religious prosecution, industrial slavery and mass eradication!
contrary to your belief, the dark ages were not dark because of barbarity; they are called dark because the west's influence was contained and pushed back by the east!
Killing was happening on massive scale in europe before the dark ages!
@obaidCarkey Killing has happened on a massive scale everywhere (Pol pot, Mao, Genghis Kahn). Humans war with perceived outsiders and historically the middle east has its fair share of atrocities and war. I'm not aware of any institutionalized religious persecution in the west, but I could point to plenty of examples in the middle east (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan). There are millions of enlightened people in that region, I know. But, the west is winning in overall social progress at the moment.
@elatus Do you not know one of the justifications for the slaughter of thousands of the Native Americans by Dutch and English immigrants? It was because they resisted converting to Christianity. They were "Pagan Savages" that had to be taught the moral rightness of God. Now I'm not saying that was the only reason, but that was one of the main reasons. They almost committed total genocide. And we need not forget what Spain did to the inhabitants of Central America.
@Thefluff99 I am not defending anything the west has done in the past. History is full of atrocities in all civilizations and the west has done more then its fair share. But, there is no denying the fact that significant social progress has been made, and I argue that a disproportionate amount of it has come from the west. Liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, secular laws, etc.
@elatus Oh, well... there is in the U.S. and England some religious persecution against Wiccans. That is mostly done because a couple of the prominent religions view that Wicca = Occult. Libraries won't carry books on the subject. Law enforcement agencies have specific classes to say that equate many Wiccan religious symbols to Satanism, even though they are completely separate spiritual paths. Children are bullied by their classmates because of it. The media use it to scare people.
@elatus There has been a lot of progress, but we need to recognize that there is still a long way to go. The Middle-East has a lot further to go than we do. Yet Japan is more progressed in that than we are (in other fields as well).
Hey Bill ! As a president of "Pot Pals club " i have proposition for you : let's organize funny presidential debate called : it's funny to be broke with the help of the smoke !
@cdog4100 --"How can one believe in the supernatural without perceiving agency where no facts suggest as much?"
Based on this question, I can see the root of our problem here.
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For clarity, lets substitute the root, "perceive" with "ascribe". Now, HADD is a brain module that "readily ascribes events in the environment to the behavior of agents" (Gray, Kurt; Daniel Wegner (Feb 2010)) but it is limitedly involved in SPECIFIC scenarios. e.g. "A rustle in the bushes? Must be a tiger!" or..
that black guy is a fucking moron
utube2344 1 day ago
Not that it's a knock on the man, but Common did well to stay out of it.
xxmadvillainyxx 2 days ago
this black dude is retarded...in a court of law one of the most compelling pieces of evidence is a strong MOTIVE to commit a certain crime...so yes if you believe in a book and read it, then in your head you go "oh hey this is telling me to kill people of another religion" the blame falls on both the individual AND the "object" or "ideal" that they felt overruled the man made system of law
addyisntcute 3 days ago
who the hell thinks that atheists are worse off than Muslims, atheist are not persecuted against, because they must first be self proclaimed, it is the Arabs who a persecuted for their faith, and are identified by the color of their skin, it is not the Indonesian Muslims who is treated poorly, but those from the middle east. atheism must be self proclaimed, and has no ethnic characteristic that would identify them
zJLpie77J 3 days ago
Hitler as a kid was a choir boy in a Catholic school, this is fact.
Was he as a grown up? Do not know.
Bankside1997 4 days ago
Chris Matthews is so fuckin dumb
44SuperShredder 4 days ago 3
Why do people take so much offense if you say, "We were attacked by Muslims." That's not a blanket statement, it's not racist. How thick do you have to be to hear that and honestly think that the person saying it means that every single Muslim in the world is responsible for 9/11? If 3 men mugged me and I said, "I was mugged by men." Would you really think I meant every man in the world robbed me? Maybe I could have been clearer, but some people just have a chip on their shoulder.
watermelonygoodness 4 days ago
lmao common didn't say shit.... are you serious
WAKEUP2XXX 5 days ago
@WAKEUP2XXX ikr. it started to get weird.
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You athiests are foolish lost little children who think they are so smart but who dont know they are caught in satan's trap. Stop and think study the masons, illuminati, bohemians ,skull and bones bilderbergers these are the elite people of the world the most smartest powerful people in the world they control the world and these people have acknowledged Jesus Christ as there enemy and the devil as their master. So think about how confussed and lost you are if you claim athiesm
Adriankovalski 1 week ago
WTF Chris Matthews? Hitler was an Atheist? That's a stupid asinine comment I'd expect Bill O'Reilly to say, I've lost all respect for you now.
99pcast 1 week ago 11
Fuck, people are stupid!
TheScottism101 2 weeks ago
p.s isn't barney frank one of the guys that helped this country so much in the economy we have today ? Point your fingers get mad at the people that have morals that are really trying to change the country for good and now dig it into the ground. All I know is I don't agree with your politics and i know I shouldn't get all worked up because at the end of the day I feel like I am a happy person and can tell that you probably aren't and feel bad but you did it to yourself , goodnight america
peopleincrawling 2 weeks ago
Wait your saying that atheist and muslims haven't been persecuted ? jews,christians have? hmm did you just say you never read the book in arabic and then change it to you just trust your people what there saying . people don't listen to this guy he doesn't even get his facts straight he gets the facts that he likes straight . If you don't beleive in anytning and beleive you just die after this life then why not help us all out and kill yourselves now and not try and force people tobe as sad as u
peopleincrawling 2 weeks ago
Bill is not correct I personally would love to debate him on stalin verse religious horrific wars,revolutions,etc. Religion does not make people hate, or angry, it used by others to do that, but there is no difference between stalin or Hitler, or the crusaders, who used religion to get people to do things or nationalism, or patriotism, to do it. Its comes down to a root us or them tribalism, which religion can do, or communism can do, its an US or them, and its down to money and power.
ASexyChef 2 weeks ago
I dont think that the bible alone causes such agression and hate. It might be a factor but there are always catalyzers involved which cause the real problem. The problem with religion is that it allows people to stop thinking for themself.
Flashbang4u 3 weeks ago
Hitler wasn't an atheist. He was a Roman Catholic. There are countless quotes and references to Christianity in his speeches and writings. Regardless of whether or not he was atheist, a lot of his most influential and infamous officers were practicing Christians.
And yes, Stalin was an atheist, but his regime, and his motives were not based around atheist. You cannot discount an entire group of people because of a few people. Same goes for any other belief system.
JTrizzleFizzle 3 weeks ago
Bill Maher, come visit the University of Southern Mississippi, please!!
lokakuu1985 3 weeks ago
Bill Maher and Christopher Hitchens are wonderful people. I love Maher's comedy and Hitchens is a frighteningly intelligent man. But its when they come to the topic of religion where you can see that what motivates them is a certain type of absolutism and fanaticism which they criticise religious extremists for holding. It does them no favours in my opinion and I think that as long as atheists like Maher dominate the argument, its just another religion.
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The fundamental problem with atheists attacking the religious by using people like Breivik as examples by citing their religious belief is that they are totally missing the point. Al-Queda blew up the twin towers to get US bases out of Saudi Arabia (primarily - religious belief was secondary), and Breivik killed 77 people in a youth camp because they were the party of immigration allowing for 'muslim extremeism'. Its exactly like saying Stalin killed because he was an atheist and it doesn't work
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i want hbo becuase of bill maher
nybombs 4 weeks ago
Common thought the show was over and went to his happy place...
egemini618 1 month ago 8
I'm going to miss Barney.
437thx1138 1 month ago
God, Keith Ellison is so naive. I just read Sam Harris's End of Faith. He has a section of 5 1/2 pages of violent quotes from the Koran. And he doesn't list each quote in its own paragraph, he would group several into one paragraph.
I have a feeling that somebody gave Ellison "My Pet Goat" and told him it was the Koran, expecting that he would figure it out eventually and he hasn't to this time.
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Atheism is a choice by people who are logical, rational, evidenced mined people. So were seen as bad and evil people simply because we refuse to believe in medieval thinking, rituals, traditions?
oscardelarosapineda 1 month ago
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oscardelarosapineda 1 month ago
Anders Breivik was trying to start a crusade against Muslims. He is a Christian Terrorist.
Paterson559 1 month ago
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Paterson559 1 month ago
i've this keith ellison guy a couple of times on Bill's show. He's extremely weak and can barely articulate his points across. He cannot defend his points at all
callum1131 1 month ago 4
@callum1131 I've this.
Sonnyxleet 1 week ago
Anyone saying Hitler was an atheist haven't heard the man speak or read the man's screed. No one has decided to slaughter because of atheism. Its a negation of theism. Nothing more.
rhatcher010 1 month ago
Hitler was CHRISTIAN. He was born a Roman Catholic and, while not being espeically devout, did utlized Christians rhetoric and beliefs.
CyeOutsider 1 month ago
Read the Quran since he was nineteen years old!!???? that's a lotta bull,, I bet he didn't even get passed the the third or maybe fourth Sura (chapter)... what an idiot.
exa0 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
Hitler was NOT an Atheist . Hitler was 100% Christian !!
LostFREEDOM 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
@LostFREEDOM no, he wasn't. And even if he was, he forgot to read the whole Bible.
alexjagt96 1 month ago in playlist More videos from RealTime
@alexjagt96 Actually he was , very much so a Christian
LostFREEDOM 1 month ago
@LostFREEDOM nope, nope i'm sorry but that's just a lie
alexjagt96 1 month ago
NOTHING bad has been done in the "name" of' Atheism, unlike islam & christianism. !! Religion is a cancer from the Holy Books
LostFREEDOM 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
I just love it when people use the argument that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, murdered millions in the name of atheism, because it only serves to point out how ignorant the people making this statement are.
frankystein12 1 month ago
@frankystein12
Another weird part about that argument (which i don't see many people pointing out) is: if you must mention crimes atheists did - by all means. But if you do, it would be fair to compare atheists with theists, not for example atheists wit Christians (which happens all the time).
skewCZ 1 month ago
All dictators are leaders of cults of personality. This is nothing new, it's general knowledge! So please, stop saying Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-il and so forth were athiests, because they convinced people to believe that they were chosen by a higher power to lead their people. Basically like every single religious leader throughout history have used the stupidity of the people to their advantage.
MrManson94 1 month ago
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1_ Hitler was christian: read 'mein kamp' it's there.
2_ Absolutly NOTHING bad has been done 'in the name of' Atheism, unlike islam & christianism.
3_ Without religion, there wouldn't be an excuse for most of the wars humanity experienced.
4_ Atheism is nothing but a doubt (not a religion); we atheist claim nothing; we only ask:"so, is there a God? Yes? hum... Where's the proof?"
5_ 99% of all scientists, doctors, professors & Nobel prize winners r Atheist.
6_ 99% criminals r God believers.
Cacacos 1 month ago 31
@Cacacos
i dont think the USA went to war in iraq in the name of religion. but we have to stop blaming religion as if its the cause of the wars happening.......hello US govt sent in the CIA to instal the Shah in Iran who became a dictator, after that there was the hostage crisis when radicals took American hostages for 444days, then we have 9/11 and then 2 wars. if u connect the dots u will realize that religion maybe a symptom but not the main cause of the problem...thats imperialism
girlcalledaish 1 month ago
@Cacacos *Christianity
alexjagt96 1 month ago in playlist More videos from RealTime
@Cacacos Perfect summary...thank you.
slw0420 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
; Exactly, 20 July 1933, Adolf Hitler sent his representatives to the Vatican to sign the concordant, and get the Vatican's blessing before building forced labour camps. Communism worked with the Russian Orthodox Church, as proved by the fact the Russian Orthodox Church surfaced at the end of Communism without a scratch on it. I'm a Satanist, which are Atheists, and our Atheism goes to eleven, and Satanists, as with Atheists, don't fly air-plane into buildings.
12Zwolf 1 month ago
@Cacacosat at least 3 of 6 is pulled straight out of your ass, no offence.
cwongchung 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
@Cacacos
3 - Money is always an excuse, the last war was more about making money on oil then retaliation for 9/11, which wasnt related to Iraq at all.
5 - 99%?? No, lots of scientist are either religious or agnostic, because of their own experiences in scientific studies.
6 - Thats just BS!
Im an atheist, I get the message you try to get across and I believe religion is a dangerous thing. But you can't just throw fake stats and 99% of this and that!!
the right message, so wrongly spoken!
cwongchung 1 month ago in playlist Real Time with Bill Maher
@Cacacos I am not even religious, but support some real facts - you sound defensive and, in turn, it makes you sounds like an extemist. Number 3 and 5 are nuts haha
hmmmmmokay 1 month ago
@Cacacos woot woot
TheDeni993 1 month ago
if we die we'll see lol
nuttyjunior 4 weeks ago
@Cacacos No study by the AAS has ever found a number as high as 99%. I am an atheist but I do think that we should provide accurate numbers for arguments. Percentages have ranged between 50%-93% based on the poll questions and has never taken into consideration deism or agnosticism. I tend to believe it's well over 70%.
MasonBeggs 4 weeks ago
@Cacacos
1) He was raised Christian, he wasn't when he came into power.
2) Joseph Stalin/Pol Pot - I could list many more
3) That's a fallacious argument. Human beings have gone to war for more reasons than religion - land, race, boredom etc. women, imperialism, in fact Religion is rarely the reason.
4)Good for you, so continue to be atheist, no one cares.
5) Most who are said to be atheist are actually deists or agnostic. Ie. Darwin/Lincoln
6) Fallacy: most people in general are religious.
12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@12Ominous
1 He constantly spoke of a "creator" also referring to it as "providence"
2 Stalin was the leader of a leader worship cult, and to a lesser extent Pol Pot as well.
3 Crusades, all of the 1500's in europe, and all of the war on terror.
4 I cant respond to sarcasm
5 93% of the american academy of sciences denies the existence of a personal god.
6 84% of americans consider themselves religious, as compared to less than 1 percent of prisoners.
ublmeister 3 weeks ago
@ublmeister
1. That's narcissism more than Religion, lets face it, the two are often similar.
2. Narcissism
3. Of course there's examples. But the implication was wars would be obsolete. Not true.
4. I'm not a theist either so I don't care.
5. When was it concluded that Scientists are the most intelligent? They only trust empirical evidence, so this would be expected. - Fallacy.
6. It's 80% actually, not 99% ( I looked it up), so this just reflects society.
12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@12Ominous You're entirely right.
Sonnyxleet 3 weeks ago
@ublmeister Not saying Religion is good or bad, I'm just saying its not the answer or cause of the worlds problems.
12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@12Ominous I assume you haven't read Mein Kampf?
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12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@Cacacos Stop trying to encourage Prejudice and Discrimination against other people.
12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@Cacacos Also it's 80%. 80% of criminals are God believers. Not suggestive of anything given than 85% of the world is theist, this doesn't take into consideration deists and agnostics. So this is just a ratio that reflects the world. Good try though.
12Ominous 3 weeks ago
@Cacacos A doubt is a belief. A disbelief is still a belief.
Sonnyxleet 3 weeks ago
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@Sonnyxleet
You're wrong:
A disbelief is still a belief. AS MUCH AS BALD IS a HAIRDO; AS MUCH AS TV TURNED OFF IS A TV's CHANNEL, and so on...
Cacacos 3 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet uh, no its not. stop trying to put a disbelief of myths into the same area with belief. its not, sorry pal.
Killerjosh89 2 weeks ago
@Killerjosh89 No matter how hard you wish it weren't, it is. So deal with it. Sorry, pal.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet Is not collecting stamps a hobby? No. Is having the T.V. turn off considered a channel? No. Is not holding a belief system a belief? No. Is bald a hair colour? No. Are you wrong? Yes.
LivingInBadFaith 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith You clearly don't understand the definition of religion and/or the definition of atheism. But nice try.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet You can't counter the logic argument I presented can you? So you pretend it doesn't matter. Typical trolling theist "I have no answer therefore everyone else must not either." You have nothing intelligent to contribute so you fall back on mindless denial and pseudo-condescension, Bravo sir, Bravo.
LivingInBadFaith 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith You cannot prove your theory, so you resort to name calling. Typical. Also, to "counter" the so-called "logic argument" that you presented: The logic behind collecting stamps and the logic behind a system of beliefs have no correlation, therefore your attempt at disproving Atheism as a system of beliefs failed miserably. To further disprove your already horrible analogy; the disbelief in the existence of deities is still the belief that deities don't exist.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith Therefore, Atheism is indeed a religion. A religion is, in the very least, a belief system. If you want to be absurdly technical,then of course Atheism isn't a religion. But, I'm sure we all know that the involving of technicalities is typically associated with fear due to the lack of structure in one's own belief.
Also, I am not a theist. Perhaps, next time you won't let your tantrums ruin your point-of-view. The perspective of an idiot is not respected.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet There's a big difference between a belief system and religion, sorry but no matter how much you try to blur the line, one is not the other. Since nothing can be proven to a 100 percent degree of certainty, we hold beliefs about everything you are correct in that. However, do you believe in gravity? I do, it's not based on faith, but according to your definition it would qualify as my religion. Do you see why this is incoherent? Religion requires more than just belief.
Nucl3arTeacup 2 weeks ago
@Nucl3arTeacup Clearly you don't understand the definition of religion. A religion is, as I said before, in its very least, a set of beliefs. You can argue that as much as you want but you will be wrong. Somewhere along the line people started mixing GOD with religion, so it has become an association, but the definition of religion has not changed merely because people who follow theist religions associate the word with their belief.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet What flawed logic drives your reasoning. By your logic, when I wake up in the morning and believe my kitchen is still affixed to my house before I see it still attached is a religious belief, is it? Which is beside the point to begin with as the logic of my original argument stands, not having a belief or system of beliefs (which is what atheism is) doesn't constitute a belief or belief system. Just as not having a hobby doesn't constitute having a hobby.
LivingInBadFaith 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith It's sad that you fail to understand the definition of religion.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet Furthermore
"...then of course Atheism isn't a religion." As you correctly said.
"But, I'm sure we all know that the involving of technicalities is typically associated with fear due to the lack of structure in one's own belief." Is you having your own little 'tantrum' and trying to insult me, so does that ruin your own argument? perhaps, maybe you should get off your high horse and read your own 'tantrums' before calling me on what I say.
LivingInBadFaith 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith Tantrum? Hardly. You're trying too hard. Atheists like you get almost as defensive as Christians. I wonder why.
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet You're having a tantrum instead of debating. How is attacking me with stereotypes not being defensive, but what I'm doing is counted as defensive? And if I must 'try too hard' to convince someone how NOT HAVING A SYSTEM OF BELIEFS about the supernatural (atheism in a nutshell) is not the same as HAVING A SYSTEM OF BELIEFS about the supernatural, well then I don't understand how I could be any clearer. It's kind of... what do you call it? Sad.
LivingInBadFaith 2 weeks ago
@LivingInBadFaith No tantrums, bro. But nice try. You're the one typing in capitals, raging out over some YouTube comments. Lol. You have your opinion dude, it just so happens that your opinion has been proven wrong countless times by numerous people, but damnit, you have the right to your own opinion!
Sonnyxleet 2 weeks ago
@Sonnyxleet he used capitals to highlight the important bits, you're really dumb, fuck you for using the 'you're madder than me so i win' cop out, it proves that you are wrong. also so does any dictionary
Redping2020 5 days ago
@Redping2020 Nice try.
Sonnyxleet 3 days ago
@Sonnyxleet Who proved Atheism wrong?
watermelonygoodness 4 days ago
@watermelonygoodness Where did I say or imply that someone "proved Atheism wrong"?
Sonnyxleet 3 days ago
Poor common lol..
miguel04ish 1 month ago
There's no such things as "natural rights", and when the constitution was written, the word "human rights" didn't include unborn humans, that's a fact. People is wrong, the problem, they think, is whether it's a human or not, that's irrelevant, the law was not written with that in mind, we should think what's better objectively, instead of over reading an old document and try to find anwser to new problems in a book that's basely an anwser to old problems.
augustofretes 1 month ago
The problem is faith, on what it doesn't matter. Faith is blind, and it's opposite to Critical Thinking, once you've got a bunch of moronic people who suspend critical judgment, you've got yourself a problem, Religions are the biggest creators of faith. On the other hand, Atheist don't have any in common but a lack of faith on a particular thing, but you can't treat them like if they were part of something, because they aren't. Hitler didn't convince people by using Atheism, come on.
augustofretes 1 month ago
@augustofretes Theism can be respectable, but not in the form of religion.
augustofretes 1 month ago
Suicidal morons flew planes into buildings, but they happen to be muslim. Anders Breivik killed 90 people, and he happened to be christian. Stalin and others did some crazy shit, and they were atheists.
This "some christians/muslims/atheists did this" argument is invalid. They didn't do what they did because of their religion or lack thereof, they did it because of their sick and twisted ideologies. I'm an atheist and like discussing things, but this argument just doesn't work in anyone's favor.
Tr1pTr0p 1 month ago
@Tr1pTr0p - That's a false equivalence. Athiesm does not provide an in-built rationale to murder and kill. Religion does. Atheism is simply a lack of faith in God - it is essentially a negative category. The (positive) beliefs of atheists can vary considerable.
Stalin and others did not kill BECAUSE of atheism. They simply happened be atheists. Religious fundamentalist terrorists kill BECAUSE the rationale to do so is provided by their religious texts and beliefs.
CyeOutsider 1 month ago
Yeah, next thing they'll forbid us to masterbate cause we're killing people! Meanwhile in Afganistan...
kotapaka 1 month ago
religious vomit
vangerwen79 1 month ago
Common is trying to remember his lines in the Hell on Wheels season finale
jcole1983 1 month ago
"They didn't do it in the name of atheism".
BARNEY FRANK THIS IS THE MOMENT AT WHICH I OFFICIALLY FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU.
>_>
LizaLermontov 1 month ago
All"abortion is wrong" and yet a woman has a right to decide what she does with her property. Typical confused lack of rationality from Sullivan. Killing a zygote or fetus up to a certain point is no different then pulling the plug on a person in a persistent vegetative state. The real question is what happens when that fetus develops an ability to feel pain and further still form a rudimentary consciousness. It only matters if there is a there there. Roe V Wade likely gets it right.
AcresofAnarchy 1 month ago
HITLER WAS NOT AN ATHEIST
Craigipedia 1 month ago
GOD DAMNIT KEITH ELLISON... Stop talking about dictators who are atheists... they DONT kill people in the name of there not being a god.
GOD BLESS BARNEY FRANK.
Too bad god doesn't exist
Craigipedia 1 month ago
anyone who knows where to get transcripts for this show?
qforkyu 1 month ago
Chris Matthews is full of shit. Hitler specifically referred to himself as Christian and attended a catholic church regularly.
EuchridEucrow1 1 month ago
There is strong evidence that Hitler was catholic, but that's largely irrelevant because he invoked christian faith in his followers, whom we're for the most part catholic (like for example all the guards in the concentration camps). Also guess with whom the ever first treaty signed by the nazi party was with? If you guessed the vatican then you win a golden star, and it was signed in order to facilitate the dissolution of the catholic center party mentioned in the video to clear the opposition.
TatsumiyaLightning 1 month ago
hahha there is an argument whether Hitler was athiest or catholic, Chris Mathews, and Bill Maher know what their talking about, but the top thumbed comments act like their idiots?
fabledogify 2 months ago
oh you silly americans you are way too focused on religion topic.
simonestempleros 2 months ago
Who thinks the black guy is a gun away from being a fundamentalist.
labamba8448 2 months ago
Hitler was a pagan
DAVIDAMORSE1701 2 months ago
You mustn't judge an entire group of people by one individual. This is hard to explain. I think all religions are almost completely retarded, I don't support religions at all. I do however support people who aren't assholes. That's why I hate about 60% of the population in Israel, and why I hate terrorists (I don't acknowledge Palestinians). So long as a person doesn't do what terrorists and other criminals usually do, he's alright (Israel does that in self defense, the world doesn't see it)
theantonlulz 2 months ago
Barney is fucken brilliant.
BigDwarren 2 months ago
i love how common didn't say a word throughout the entire thing
Imranfeiruz 2 months ago
Surprising to see Chris Mathews so quiet. I guess if he doesn't have the power to bully and shout people down he chooses to remain silent.
miketh1234 2 months ago
@willjk3025 Usually when I try to prove a point and someone asks for my source I actually give them the source instead of saying "I watched some old archival footage in college why don't you go look it up yourself." But thats just me, someone who likes to have a rational discussion rather than just try to prove a point that may or may not be valid. Information without fact is not information, so thanks for nothing.
captainmjs 2 months ago
BIll maher is an idiot! and a huge bigot.
Hafazeh 2 months ago
@willjk3025 By that logic he must have had all of the churches in Germany burned down too. I would like to see your source for the claim about what the SS were taught about Jesus however.
captainmjs 2 months ago
Common needs to read more
54Independent 2 months ago
I love that idiot representative who stumbles over his words trying to defend Islam because he knows he's wrong.
CSX6000 2 months ago
@CSX6000
christianity has killed hundreds of millions more than islam ever will!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey really, check out India, Somalia, Sudan
DawnOfTheDead991 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Hundreds of millions? No. That isnt accurate. But the real tragedy of all religions is not how many people they kill, its how they have held back our development. You dont get dark ages without religion.
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@elatus
well, if you would read a book or two, then you would find out that the islamic world never knew the dark ages!-science there and then was experiencing a boom, partly inspired by religion!--the west is not center and the measure of the world, you know!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Iirc, only in their war when there was a need to compete with Europe's armies. Funny enough the Arabian locality suffered the same problem as Alexandrian and others; a brief period of true learning and science followed by destruction and restraint by religious masses who thought that doing science was corrupting them because it was so unlike the way of their holy texts. Same for several regions of the world. One could argue that the middle east is experiencing a new Dark Age now.
FortisConscius 2 months ago
@FortisConscius
you have no idea!
the middle east is re-awakening in lightspeed!--Even europe is being rejuvenated by muslim youngsters who are present in huge numbers at european universities and in european parlements and businesses with the most sophisticated technologies.
Harvard, princeton and oxford have opened shop in arab countries. Arabs are more european than europeans now; you will find more arabs speaking french than the germans do and for every other eur. language!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey It is true that science made great progress in the Islamic world during a 300 year period between 900 and 1200 AD when Islam retreated from its zealous fundamental form and became muc more secular. Then came along Imam Hamid al-Ghazali and what a disaster! He took Muslims and Islam right back to the dark ages just like Christaianity did later. Religion of ANY kind is BAD NEWS for science.
Watch this: Islam and Science in the Middle East 9th-12th Century
watch?v=tIMifWU5ucU
aussiesam01 2 months ago
@aussiesam01
what the hell are you talking about?
who the fuck is imam hamid al ghazali?--did you get that name out of your ass, cause i never heard of him!
don't try to be smart with me cause you know shit about islam and the islamic world!
I hate smartasses like you who make up stuff and pretend to be the great analyser of islamic theology and arab history!
you stick to your didgeridoo and your wombats and koala's and piss off!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Just so much flatus
Nothing factual in your argument. No history, nothing of interest..........you don't know very much do you? Judging by the state of your argument you're not capable of learning either, that's the saddest part (for you).
aussiesam01 2 months ago
@aussiesam01
you are really dumb!
what is the fastest growing religion in the west?
Do you know how many britains and americans, aussies and canadians are turning to islam every year?--islam is the topic on everyones mind, including you and every politician!
Islam and muslims are the source of inspiration for the rest of the world in the fields of religion and politics and the present protests across the world!--Islam is the last threat to capitalism which is destroying our planet!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Islam? Inspiration? Inspired to kill people by suicide bombing? Inspiring to hate other religions? I would rather die than turn to Islam (I'm atheist but if I were forced to turn to a religion I would turn to Christianity, least dangerous).
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
keep living in fox's world!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey don't watch Fox, live in Israel.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
Israel is Fox's ideal paradise!
even ovadia yosef and avigdor lieberman said so!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey doesn't matter, I've never watched it. Point is, the way I see it, most Muslims, or at least a lot of them, want to take over Israel, although it belongs to the Jews. They would still have parts of it if they hadn't started a war (the six days war I think), but now they resort to killing innocent people who live here, and they can do that because the government here is so fucking retarded (releasing 1027 terrorists for one soldier, that was GENIUS).
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
All the wars since 1948 were started by israel, not arabs!
even the in 1973 war egypt did not attack israel but the occupied part of sinai!
jews in israel came from khazar russia and poland!
you should learn the real truth first!--not fox's truth!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey I'm going to put this as simply as I can so you can get it: I DON'T WATCH FOX, OK?! I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THEY SAY ON FOX, OK?! And ye, the wars were started by Israel, but think about it, did they start them just because they felt like it? No, they did because they had to, because even then the Arabs were attacking. And btw, the day after Israel was declared a country, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon attacked Israel.
Так что не делай из себя гения, дебил.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
you are wrong!
99,99% of jews in israel came to israel (from russia, poland, america etc.) after theodore herzl preached a new national state for jews!--they conquered the land just like they do now in the westbank, by stealing land!
most jews changed their polish and russian names for made-up hebrew ones!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Okay, I don't know about 99.99%, but I do know that mainly Jews started coming to Israel after the first Jewish Congress in Basel, where Beniamin Ze'ev Herzel suggested founding a country just for the Jews. They came to Israel before 1948 and lived here and gave bribes to the Turks/Ottomans so that they would let them be. Eventually the Ottoman empire fell, the Jews came and settled.
And why do you keep bringing the Russians and Poles up? This is not what this argument is about.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
because jews claim palestine never existed and that the area was empty!
golda meir said: "there are no palestinians!"
imagine the muslim indonesians all changing to hinduism and that after prosecution in bosnia, the muslim bosnians go to indonesia to claim the land for themselves and chase the indonesians away!
Nearly all ancient hebrews have turned to islam! Modern jews are khazaris from the caucasus who spread to russia and poland and germany and later to palestine
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey a) No Jew says Palestine never existed, no Jew says that it was empty. What they do say is that this area rightfully belongs to them (I agree with that).
b) Modern Jews aren't all from Russia, Germany, and between. The majority here are descendants of Moroccans and Spaniards, and they are tactless, rude douchebags who can't tell a Russian from a Korean. The rest are Ashkenazim, which means they came from Europe (except Spain).
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
if you agree with that, then you agree with every expulsion and death of every palestinian!
what does that say about atheists then?--we cannot be selective and say that a death caused by a muslim is due to islam and a death caused by a jew is only defensive and a death caused by a christian isonly caused by the devil in him and not the christian side of that person.
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey But to return to the actual argument, Islam may have been originally good, but once again, morons tried to dig into it and find new meaning which isn't there, and they come up with "suicide bomb Israel and fly airplanes into the WTC", when actually Muslims are told NOT to harm Jews, because they are "Am Ha-Sefer" (the people of the book).
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
Objective we can say muslims are the least murderous of all religions and above all; they dont hide their killings behind communism, socialism, nazism, zionism etc.
the truth always dies first before any human deaths, like a serial killer who hides his face or a soldier who puts his killstripes on his face!
in israel/palestine all the expulsions and deaths originate from the lie that palestine was empty/up for grabs!-thats why there are now 5 million palest. refugees
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Islam is the least murderous? I really don't know about that, however, Islam seems to be proving to be the most dangerous religion (all are dangerous, Islam is more). Without all religion, the world would just be so much better, one major thing less to argue about. If there isn't Islam, there will be much less terror, Israel would be free from the bombings from Gaza, and Europe would also have one less thing to worry about.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
jews are only 16 million in the world, yet they have displaced 10 million palestinians ( 5 million are living outside westbank and gaza). Most bombs in palestine are dropped by israel and most deaths are palestinian (500.000 since 1948) , not jewish israeli!
for muslims to equal the jews they would have to kill 62.5 million people in the past 60 years and they would have to make 1.2 billion refugees!
and thats not counting in the proxy wars incited by aipac-jews!
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey this is my last answer because I'm getting annoyed by this. Israel didn't take kill for no reason, for example, the 1027 terrorists who were released were murderers, they weren't in prison just for the heck of it. On a side note: (hate resorting to this) when the Muslims go through a Holocaust and being hated century after century after century just for accomplishing more, talk to me.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
i forgive you for believing ariel sharon's lies because you are very young!
but tell me: what do you hate so much about the spanish/moroccan israeli jews?
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey (wasn't asking for forgiveness but whatever) they such fucking assholes, it's just unbelievable. They are incredibly rude, no respect for their parents, teachers, other grown ups, they are retarded, loud, pick on the little guy and preach tolerance while being racist against Arabs (justified, but discriminating every single Arab is stupid) and sometimes Russians (who helped them with forming Israel, not to mention other aspects in which the Russians influenced them).
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
why would moroccan jews be racist against arabs?--they are arabs/berber themselves....
Russians are wellknown to be racist, everywhere, even in europe!
btwrussians and moroccan jews were not there in 1948, they came later! russ.
did not arrive until the early 90s. (morocc. after 1956).
Or do you hate them just because of their macho/ borat attitude?
you say russians and maroc. like eachother....i heard from maroc jews that they hate the russians because they eat pork
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey Moroccans here hate Russians, because we are better than they are (mostly). Although they don't go to synagogue, they keep Kosher very strictly. I don't think Russians are any more racist than anyone else (any average citizen of any other country), I know Russians here are not too fond of the Moroccans. And yes, the Moroccans are so similar to the Arabs, so they hate them because of the bombings and other attacks.
Bottom line: Russians>50% of Ashkenazim>Pig shit>Moroccan Jews
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@theantonlulz
"because we......"
does that mean you are moroccan?
who doesn't go to synagogue, the russians or the moroccans?
"pig shit>moroccan jews"=does that mean you think the moroccans are worse than pig shit?
obaidCarkey 2 months ago
@theantonlulz I'm Russian and Moroccan Jews are so much worse than pig shit. I know from experience.
theantonlulz 2 months ago
@obaidCarkey The measure of the world is the society that is the most tolerant, fair, and lawful now. That might not be the US, but it is certainly a western country. There was a time when the middle east contributed much to civilization, but those days appear to be over. The western dark ages are over, but the middle eastern dark age is happening now. Case in point, a lot of Islamic countries still hold public beheadings which is disgusting and barbaric.
elatus 1 month ago
@elatus
according to your measurements, the western dark ages must have lasted from the stone age to ww2 to present day!
No country in the east or south can equal the west when it comes to religious prosecution, industrial slavery and mass eradication!
contrary to your belief, the dark ages were not dark because of barbarity; they are called dark because the west's influence was contained and pushed back by the east!
Killing was happening on massive scale in europe before the dark ages!
obaidCarkey 1 month ago
@obaidCarkey Killing has happened on a massive scale everywhere (Pol pot, Mao, Genghis Kahn). Humans war with perceived outsiders and historically the middle east has its fair share of atrocities and war. I'm not aware of any institutionalized religious persecution in the west, but I could point to plenty of examples in the middle east (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan). There are millions of enlightened people in that region, I know. But, the west is winning in overall social progress at the moment.
elatus 1 month ago
@elatus
Now i know how young and dumb and ignorant you are!
end of discussion!-Go check every statement you just made!
btw;its Genghis "Khan" and Dominique Strauss "Kahn" and you "Can" with a Nissan!
obaidCarkey 1 month ago
@elatus Do you not know one of the justifications for the slaughter of thousands of the Native Americans by Dutch and English immigrants? It was because they resisted converting to Christianity. They were "Pagan Savages" that had to be taught the moral rightness of God. Now I'm not saying that was the only reason, but that was one of the main reasons. They almost committed total genocide. And we need not forget what Spain did to the inhabitants of Central America.
Thefluff99 1 month ago
@Thefluff99 I am not defending anything the west has done in the past. History is full of atrocities in all civilizations and the west has done more then its fair share. But, there is no denying the fact that significant social progress has been made, and I argue that a disproportionate amount of it has come from the west. Liberty, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, secular laws, etc.
elatus 1 month ago
@elatus Oh, well... there is in the U.S. and England some religious persecution against Wiccans. That is mostly done because a couple of the prominent religions view that Wicca = Occult. Libraries won't carry books on the subject. Law enforcement agencies have specific classes to say that equate many Wiccan religious symbols to Satanism, even though they are completely separate spiritual paths. Children are bullied by their classmates because of it. The media use it to scare people.
Thefluff99 1 month ago
@elatus There has been a lot of progress, but we need to recognize that there is still a long way to go. The Middle-East has a lot further to go than we do. Yet Japan is more progressed in that than we are (in other fields as well).
Thefluff99 1 month ago
Breivik was probably motivated by huntingtons War of Civilisations.
Choblik 2 months ago
Hey Bill ! As a president of "Pot Pals club " i have proposition for you : let's organize funny presidential debate called : it's funny to be broke with the help of the smoke !
mojoboy1984 2 months ago
I had much respect for Bill until I found he was a sellout like most people.
theresistance45 2 months ago
@theresistance45 How did he sell out?
kr4yzi32k 2 months ago
Thumbs up 4 Common always down with tha people
gryce 2 months ago
Hitler is an atheist?! Only in America! :)
trtmrt01 2 months ago 49
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@trtmrt01 Hitler was a pagan
DAVIDAMORSE1701 2 months ago
@trtmrt01 the Catholic church supported him haha how fail are they lol
Jakey333333 2 months ago
Hitler was not an atheist. This is demonstrably false.
Dwellerz 2 months ago 44
@cdog4100 --"How can one believe in the supernatural without perceiving agency where no facts suggest as much?"
Based on this question, I can see the root of our problem here.
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For clarity, lets substitute the root, "perceive" with "ascribe". Now, HADD is a brain module that "readily ascribes events in the environment to the behavior of agents" (Gray, Kurt; Daniel Wegner (Feb 2010)) but it is limitedly involved in SPECIFIC scenarios. e.g. "A rustle in the bushes? Must be a tiger!" or..
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NiNj4xNUTZz 2 months ago
Common doesn't know wtf to say LOL
MattCrowley08 2 months ago