disappointed in this review. true, you shouldnt install gentoo if you want to flip packages around evry day - but you didnt go into the advantages of doing it the gentoo way vs. arch
Any plans on doing a Slackware distro review? I've been trying Slackware 13.37 out in a virtualbox as well as Gentoo and I find myself favoring Slackware quite a bit. A problem I'm having though (because I'm fairly new to this more "hardcore" form of linux) is installing Awesome WM and properly configuring it.
Best way to install gentoo, have something with internet (laptop or iPad preferably) read the doc, and use google. As installing gentoo without having access to the dock is impossible well not really but close. I can install arch without the dock but can't do the same with gentoo because of all the little things I have to do.
3 years ago I got my first laptop with windows vista, got tired of windows vista found out I couldnt install xp on it found ubuntu used ubuntu up until the rapture then switched over to kubuntu on my desktop and openSUSE on my new laptop
I am doing Gentoo on Virtualbox and have had many successful installs with it but I admit sabayon is easier but I like Gentoo more. Especially for it being cool looking and customizable like it is.
and this is what you look at for the first 8 hours...
i was installing my first gentoo to a netbook for some 18 hours, package by package - even with xfce instead of gnome. i spent the next week compiling stuff over and over again, with different flags setup, and testing the difference in performance. my friends and relatives felt really concerned about my mental health as they watched me sitting there staring into black screen. i nearly gave up smoking.
@thisweekinlinux How fast is your system? I'm running Gentoo on an actual hard drive, and emerge -S you can also use didn't even show results that quickly. =/.
@rick8028 this was done on an AMD Phenom II x4 945 quad core system (using 1 core, though, I think) so it was 3ghz, and I probably gave it 2gb of ram.
I did the stage3 6 years ago. I remember it took my pc about a week to get to a gnome desktop with some needed apps. I can tell i have never seen anything that fast. It was amazing. And that was 6 years ago. Right now im about to install arch in a ubuntu machine, but idk if arch is as fast as gentoo was. Really i dont wanna do that compiling week again.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
@willlewis77 You have the Windows 8 Developer Preview. What makes you think that Microsoft is going to let you use a free version of their newest operating system indefinitely? Also, enjoy your Microsoft-controlled App Store... I will happily stick to my XP and Linux, and install whatever I please.
When you say experience in the terminal, what do you mean, to know the commands or to know how to solve cratches using the terminal.
because normally when linux cratches the terminal is always available, but the gui is gone, how can someone recover the gui from the terminal, and other isues.
the commands i think most people know them, i mostly use the command find in scripts to do many things, but not having the gui interface is bad, using libreoffice and media player etc without gui is bad.
@PCGamerNET I use Arch and I always try to read both distros' wiki, starting with Arch page.
Both are clear and in most cases sufficient, sometimes they suggest alternative solutions. Just read them and decide.
Comparing the distros, Arch can be installed, configured, updated and rearranged easily and quickly. Gentoo takes a lot of time to install/update software but instead provides for easier package customization through use flags. Both are great.
For Gentoo users: Now there is Funtoo, and I recommend to try. Very good review by the way. I really think you should give a chance to Funtoo. It's more stable (key components are less updated and more checked, it have 12 hours after Gentoo package release, non-GUI components are checked), it uses Git instead of Rsync and the wiki is more up-to-date. :D
@asperger1981 it's a matter of opinion, really. Most of them offer searching capabilities, they all add/remove packages, some of them resolve dependencies, some don't.
In my experience, I really like yum, because it offers installation history/rollback, and conary, for the same reasons (and it's on a rolling release distro).
@thisweekinlinux I like YUM too, but the major downside is that it's only for RPM packages, which make you download dependency after dependency if you install by hand.
3 years ago I was still running Internet Exploer on XP. Never knew about web broswers, or even zips. lol. but now I'm running ubuntu and still learning. I think I see Debian or Arch in my futere buut...who knows...I might make it rich and just buy a mac and fuck modals all day without stressing on making it better!
You don't have to worry about the Use Flags if you don't want to. They are just 'switches' that allow you to exclude optional features if you know you don't need them.
3 Years ago I was using Windows XP and getting viruses. 4 Months ago I started using Ubuntu Linux and now I'm using Arch Linux. Linux isn't hard, it just takes dedication.
Three years ago, I was a sloppy home programmer writing in VB (yuck!) and was a fresh n00b in the GNU/Linux world. Now, I am programming in C/C++ and some C#, and I am now using Linux Mint dualbooting with Windows 7, as well as Arch & Debian in VirtualBox.
I first used Gentoo back in 2002, and it took me literally days to compile, but I've not found a snappier and more fun linux distro since then. However, it is a labor of love, 'cause you constantly have to tweak things to keep the system running.
I acutally just compiled Gentoo a couple days ago. I'm loving it. (Although it helps I've got a quad core processor so I can do 5 parallel make jobs!) Everything is so snappy and even will all the bells and whistles of KDE turned on I was stunned to see how small the CPU and memory usage was, 1% and 256MB idle. It is certainly a pain in the butt to get running but I think it is worth it in the end.
With a good enough computer and a memorization of the majority of the manual you, that only takes about 4 installs if you have a good enough memory or can read through a printed version fast enough, can get through an install in about 4 hours or less depending on which desktop environment you decided to go far and depending on whether your ISP craps out on you if you happen to live somewhere where there is interference with your signal in any way or if it is "rush hour" for your internet usage.
@ObamaGoesPostal For a new user, a lot of times I recommend Ubuntu or Mint, but right now is a really awkward time to recommend any one distro over another, because there's so much turmoil and change going on.
Personally, I use Arch and am happy to recommend that to people who are more familiar with Linux (specifically working in the terminal).
@ObamaGoesPostal I recommend ubuntu 10. I sincerely believe that it's user friendly. Occasionally you have to do things that don't LOOK user friendly, but they are because you aren't doing them yourself.
For instance, you want to install a new program but it isn't in the software center (app store). so you look for it on the internet and you will usually have to "add sources" and "getkeys" but they almost always provide you with the exact input you need for the terminal
@thisweekinlinux You would be surprised. Gentoo and Arch users would say: If you are a new user, our distro is definitely worth trying because you would learn a lot from the get go.
@FearedBliss I think that's true. My first distro was Ubuntu 10.10 and I used it for about two months, then I installed Arch Linux and almost everything I know (which isn't a lot, haha), I learned it in Arch. In Ubuntu I just learned a few commands and that's it, but Arch forces me to learn. And it is so much fun.
I would love to try Gentoo, but my computer is not good enough and my internet is really slow, but one day I would love to, though I have no intention of getting rid of Arch.
@thisweekinlinux I'm more of a transitioner when I recommend things to new users. Mint -> Fedora (Maybe) -> Arch -> Gentoo. No more for me, or for me to recommend to others.. no way LFS lol ;D
@thisweekinlinux oh and btw, when I said Arch -> Gentoo .. that doesn't mean that I use Gentoo, I use Arch as my main Linux since no other Linux fits my requirements (unfortunately :(), but I see Gentoo as close as you can get to bare bones as you can get without going LFS. (Arch is barebones without going to source, Gentoo is barebones without going LFS aka .. getting rid of a package manager by default haha).
@thisweekinlinux looking back I wish I had started with gentoo. there's a gap between linux and windows, they're totally different. distros like ubuntu can hide this fact from you for a while, and you will expect it to be "an OS like windows, but a little better one". linux can be set up to emulate some kind of windows desktop experience, but it's a dead end. only when you stray away from these expectations you can find out that linux suits you better - because it's different.
Ten years ago I would have been just turning nine years old and did everything on Windows. YUCK! About three or four years later I would have been introduced to HTML. Another three or four years later I would have been introduced to C++ and Java. During that time my teacher had us attend a major computer convention in Denver, Colorado where I heard the name Linux for the first time. I started asking a friend about it and he suggest I take a look at Ubuntu. I haven't looked back sense!
@22ness0hayden FearedBliss @22ness0hayden the G in Gentoo is not silent. In their documentation it says it's G as in gentle. As for gnome the is also pronounced and not silent.
3 years ago I was messing around with Ubuntu 8.04 8.10. Fedora 8-9. Now I basically use Linux for basically anything except gaming. I'm very comfortable in the CLI. I have K&R C in my Library. I just purchased "The UNIX programming Environment". I have a subscription to the Linux Journal, and I'm also a huge fan of GPLv2 (Not v3.. v3 is horrible and adds useless restrictions).
3 years ago i was sitting in a cmp 101 class at Nasssau Community College and I had not even heard of Linux. A semester later I heard of Ubuntu in a class but had no idea how to get it up and running
2 years ago I began using backtrack and really got excited about Linux and learning Linux
1 year ago I first heard of Gentoo and attempted to install it and failed
@kalebman5000 d'oh. this was back when I said "nome". So many people poked at me about it, that I started saying it correctly, and now every day I get at least 1-2 comments saying "you idiot, it's pronounced 'nome'!".
Well , I myself say gnome.. that is to say, English gnome: 'nome'. But being pedfantic as you are... it isn't 'guh'nome, it is in that case 'gee-nome'... like the human genome project.
Well , I myself say gnome.. that is to say, English gnome: 'nome'. But being pedantic* ;x as you are... it isn't 'guh'nome, it is in that case 'gee-nome'... like the human genome project.
@Stefanakos84 I did a quick google search for "tux penguin sticker" and it looks like there are a bunch on Zazzle and Cafepress. Alternately you could take the Tux image and go to one of those sites and make your own stickers pretty easily. I took my logo (the one that's the avatar for my channel and on Twitter) and had Cafepress print me out 48 stickers for like $25.
@thisweekinlinux Man! Someone needs to gift you a klingon dictionary! You have everything, everything!, in your bookshelf but a klingon dictionary ;-)
Sabayon is like Gentoo with its heart and purpose ripped out of it.
The thing about gentoo is, that it takes a lot of effort to get into it, but once you are comfortable with how it works and have customized everything it just is fun to use.
It doesn't mess everything up once in a while like Ubuntu does with every release.
I would recommend it to everyone who likes Arch but is using AUR often. You will have a much easier time doing stuff in Gentoo.
@supereater14 yeah, this was done after installing gentoo twice (tried to move the VM from my laptop to desktop, lost it, so I had to start over). It's really not bad, just time consuming.
After updating vital parts of the system you had to do so many checks to ensure reverse depends are not broken. And you have every freedom to shoot yourself into the foot. And you will, at some point.
If you stick with the stable branch, Gentoo is not particularly up-to-date either. Using the unstable is a pain in the behind.
Eventually one gets tired of spending half of your time tweaking and hacking away and would like to devote as much time as possible to actual projects and work.
I agree to 100 %, it is exactly the thoughts I had when using Gentoo for some weeks on a spare partition. Most of the uptime, the computer was busy compiling stuff - > what a waste of time. I had to leave the machine on over night to get OpenOffice done. And I also found the gain negligeable, if there was one at all. I found the dependency handling miserable.
@frankpollo I don't know if I mentioned it in this video, but I didn't see a noticeable performance difference, but I didn't do much in terms of optimization. As far as the look and feel, that's entirely up to the end user. Out of the box, it's very plain, whatever you isntall on it.
@thisweekinlinux With good optimization you can speed up everything really noticably, especially in terms of memory usage. However this mean you have to custom compile your own kernel (best case with CPU optimalization usage), then set right CFlags (--march etc). Then to USE flags, this is what really makes difference, as on Ubuntu one package means that all backends, plugins frameworks are precompiled and wasting your memory unless you really use them. KDE 4.5 with optimizations, 250MB boot...
@thisweekinlinux It depends on what you do I get a big boost on video and sound editing software. If you are a musician just linux sampler makes it worth the effort. I install gentoo from inside debian so that I have a working computer at all times. Gentoo is not for the n00b. the biggest draw back is that many packages are missing that you expect to find in a modern distro.
@frankpollo Actually it's pretty fast IF you configure your kernel before you compile everything, IF you use cpu optimizations in etc make.conf IF you use minimal USE flags that suits you. Then you can actually install it. If you want fast boot, you can apply openrc + baselayout2 and then at the top of it systemd (you get one of the fastests boots then, basic baselayout1 and sysvinit is really obsolete and default :/ ). Then you have fast, reliable system compiled to suit your computer.
@thisweekinlinux yeah compiling is "slow" but I have time for it.I think it's one of the best distributions because it's vey flexibile.I tried too arch linux.I think it's too beautiful but it was very simply for me :D
also, you don't have to keep adding use flags to make.conf if you don't want every package on your system to recompile with the new use flags. If you need a use flag for just one specific package you can type
Of the three distros I've run, Ubuntu Fedora and Gentoo, Gentoo has won its place on /dev/sda. Sure there's a learning curve, and compiling takes some time but once the curve is overcome, its a piece of cake. Whenever I've had any problem, I've found the gentoo community incredibly helpful and friendly in the forums. And its so refreshing to know your system is custom compiled for your hardware and there are no unknown packages that came installed by default that you'll never use.
You know, you can install Gentoo from the bottom up with a quad-core in less than 5 hours all the way to X? I installed KDE so that took me extra 1 to 1.5 hours. Now, after running stable, there's really no work to maintain Gentoo. With ~arch, you'll have tons of problems and bugs (which was fun). I personally think Gentoo is the best distro out there. I can never got used to Arch Linux's file system hirearchy. Everybody has their own opinions on which distro is the best. :) Mine is Gentoo.
@powerinstars6 I did Gentoo from the bottom up on one core of a quad core in 8 hours.
I haven't had those issues with Arch. No real problems/bugs. There was a bit of awkwardness when it came to the rapid switch to Python 3 and htt ps for the AUR, but things are smooth now.
@thisweekinlinux I'm sorry. I was saying ~arch (like ~amd64) as in ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch," as in running unstable Gentoo. I do try and differentiate because Arch Linux would be a distro and ~arch an unstable in Gentoo.
I do understand that Arch Linux does not have real problems/bugs. For me, the issue was File System Hirearchy and renaming different softwares.
It has to be said here that you can have a running stable gentoo install up and running in less than 15mins All be it without X but in your own kernel FS and terminal ready for you to emerge gnome or KDE just make sure you understand your USE flags correctly so you dont have to install things you dont need. It can take a long time to fine tune your kernel to squeeze every ounce of power from your system just as much as to optimize your USE flags for performance from your apps.
@srikanthradix for me, i want to try gentoo. and why? because it would help me learn more about linux and give me the experience and accomplished feeling of such a feat (i know, in other words just for heck of it lol).
@LinuxShogoki Thats exactly why i moved from red hat to gentoo years ago. I felt red hat was cramping my style with updates over writing my source mods and really wanted to learn more. I moved to gentoo and wow its amazing, the knowledge but you need stick with it to accomplish your goal. I remember stage 1 installs Bootstrapping the chicken or the egg overcome problem.Gentoo community are all a great help and i help where i can too its good fun and very productive I use gentoo as my primary OS
I tried Gentoo some years ago... the promise of optimized performance was an appealing idea, but after 3 days trying to get it to install and errors connecting to servers and server updates mismatched to what was loaded the day before. I threw the towel in and switched to OpenSuse. Gentoo is tedious. I do not know if they improved it since then, but after that experience, I am reluctant to try it again. I would quicker use a compile from sources on Slax than Gentoo.
@DragonlordWarlock Yes it has improved to a very dependable reliable distro very reliable more reliable than red hat in my opinion and thats saying something but you still have to put the work in developing your system. Once you have completed it it runs perfect, occasionally some teething updates but all in all superb. my last full compile install was about 3 years ago i had some big ass updates, Open Office eek. leave it till weekend set it going Friday night go down the pub come back job done
I've just finished building my custom kernel and am about to emerge a desktop. A guy called DONAHUE on forums.gentoo.org has been extremely helpful and I couldn't have done it without his assistance. RTFM has been the opposite response in my experience - glady so, as it's a bit tricky for a Suse/Mint/Arch user.
@srikanthradix I use Gentoo because I hate distros like Ubuntu, Suse, Arch because they are slow and awful outdated repos) Arch because it doesn't give me developer packages, debug packages, but i have to compile myself, so why not use Gentoo instead.
I've been using Gentoo for 6 years and when I try any other distro, it never behaves the way I am used to with Gentoo. It took 18 installs to get Gentoo working correctly (I was a beginner linux user). But now, I can install gentoo in 5 hours.
@srikanthradix I've thought for a long time that it had to do with gaining extra performance by compiling the software specifically for your computer, but someone told me that wasn't correct, so I'm not really sure.
@thisweekinlinux I been a gentoo user for 8 years why use it well compile once, its stable, its great to track bugs, repair bugs, mod code, digest the ebuild, emerge the mod ver in seconds. Gentoo allows you to mod build test develop the most powerful OS ever. and its so reliable. Source management tree is amazing especially those that use git source. moves very fast at times and so does development. I can tweak everything especially hardware kernel to apps basically i can fix things instantly.
@thisweekinlinux Yes you do get extra performance. Generic build build to i686 thats it but each processor eg Nahalem have specific technology in them when you compile your code you can compile these extra library's for your processor into the application which greatly improves the whole software/system. Its like autocad products for your whole desktop. AMD have NUMA arch this can be set and compiled into your system wide utilizing massive multi-core/processor benefits system wide where aplicabl
@22ness0hayden nice. hope you've got quite a bit of time to devote to getting it going. It's a pretty nice system after you get past the initial setup.
The whole thing with "pacman pulls in more than you need" is pretty much not true, it installs those dependencies because at compile time, those packages were required, option selected that during compile time that wasn't mandatory is left as an "optional dependency", and pacman will notify you of any optional stuff you can install if you want too. Gentoo does the same thing, it pulls in what is nessesary for compile time, and the other USE flags are just optional things.
@22ness0hayden which is why you can use abs. you can build the package just like in gentoo, bauerbill by xyne for archlinux can do it automagically, sometimes the PKGBUILD make ask you something but rarely, building a kernel does that
Three years ago I was using Windows Vista Home Basic. Now I'm experimenting on Arch. I've come a long way pal :)
danielllp 2 days ago
disappointed in this review. true, you shouldnt install gentoo if you want to flip packages around evry day - but you didnt go into the advantages of doing it the gentoo way vs. arch
CYBERP0LICE 1 week ago
Any plans on doing a Slackware distro review? I've been trying Slackware 13.37 out in a virtualbox as well as Gentoo and I find myself favoring Slackware quite a bit. A problem I'm having though (because I'm fairly new to this more "hardcore" form of linux) is installing Awesome WM and properly configuring it.
TheiBurley 1 week ago
Best way to install gentoo, have something with internet (laptop or iPad preferably) read the doc, and use google. As installing gentoo without having access to the dock is impossible well not really but close. I can install arch without the dock but can't do the same with gentoo because of all the little things I have to do.
Rukiri89 2 weeks ago
3 years ago I got my first laptop with windows vista, got tired of windows vista found out I couldnt install xp on it found ubuntu used ubuntu up until the rapture then switched over to kubuntu on my desktop and openSUSE on my new laptop
lonerider92 1 month ago
INSTALL GENTOO
Raikuaza 1 month ago
Emerge can run multiple installs at once.
jessejj89 2 months ago
Oh god, 3 years ago? I probably couldn't even figure out windows...
seed419 2 months ago
I used to use gentoo, but I got fed up of waiting 3 days to use some software :)
xpd259 2 months ago
I am doing Gentoo on Virtualbox and have had many successful installs with it but I admit sabayon is easier but I like Gentoo more. Especially for it being cool looking and customizable like it is.
aerosmithkor 2 months ago
and this is what you look at for the first 8 hours...
i was installing my first gentoo to a netbook for some 18 hours, package by package - even with xfce instead of gnome. i spent the next week compiling stuff over and over again, with different flags setup, and testing the difference in performance. my friends and relatives felt really concerned about my mental health as they watched me sitting there staring into black screen. i nearly gave up smoking.
aleclitvinov 3 months ago
u look like my band director
pikefan23 3 months ago
Have you tried installing gentoo?
N3psrule 4 months ago 3
@N3psrule no, never. :P
thisweekinlinux 4 months ago 5
@thisweekinlinux How fast is your system? I'm running Gentoo on an actual hard drive, and emerge -S you can also use didn't even show results that quickly. =/.
rick8028 4 months ago
@rick8028 this was done on an AMD Phenom II x4 945 quad core system (using 1 core, though, I think) so it was 3ghz, and I probably gave it 2gb of ram.
thisweekinlinux 4 months ago
@thisweekinlinux Aaaah, awesome, =). I'm really loving this system, =). It's not as hard as some make it out to be, you know? It's fairly easy..
rick8028 3 months ago
Jordan, what is that IRC Client ? I use Irssi, but It doesn't have all that colours.
bellicjr 4 months ago
@bellicjr That's IRSSI, just using a theme on it. I think it's called madcow, but I'm not sure. it's a friend's layout that he gave to me.
thisweekinlinux 4 months ago
I did the stage3 6 years ago. I remember it took my pc about a week to get to a gnome desktop with some needed apps. I can tell i have never seen anything that fast. It was amazing. And that was 6 years ago. Right now im about to install arch in a ubuntu machine, but idk if arch is as fast as gentoo was. Really i dont wanna do that compiling week again.
PelonDancer 4 months ago
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Very cool.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
win3dot1 4 months ago
Very cool.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
win3dot1 4 months ago
Very cool.
Yes it is very time consuming and one can easily get lost even despite the great documentation/community.
You forgot one thing though - Gentoo teaches you new stuff during the install, and keeps you learning for as long as you use it. An year ago when I wanted to switch from Win(XP), this was the first distro that I've used for more than a week. It taught me everything I know - proper partitioning, the file system, Kernel, handling the Terminal... I love it.
win3dot1 4 months ago
yes but i have WINDOWS 8. HAHA looks like youre the noob now!!
willlewis77 5 months ago
@willlewis77 You have the Windows 8 Developer Preview. What makes you think that Microsoft is going to let you use a free version of their newest operating system indefinitely? Also, enjoy your Microsoft-controlled App Store... I will happily stick to my XP and Linux, and install whatever I please.
Th1nktank234 4 months ago
@Sb0yce It took 8 hours because he ran it on Virtual Box.
ratzhushk 5 months ago
What books do you have?
Special intrested about the server book
TheWickedPanda 5 months ago
Install Gentoo.
Fuck bitches
blizzaroxx 5 months ago
When you say experience in the terminal, what do you mean, to know the commands or to know how to solve cratches using the terminal.
because normally when linux cratches the terminal is always available, but the gui is gone, how can someone recover the gui from the terminal, and other isues.
the commands i think most people know them, i mostly use the command find in scripts to do many things, but not having the gui interface is bad, using libreoffice and media player etc without gui is bad.
sergio1020881 5 months ago
3 years ago, I'm pretty sure I was getting pissed at Vista for being so slow.
Deliciousfruit233 5 months ago
open source i love open source open source i love open source open source i love open source macintosh opertating systems
sushlet 5 months ago
install Gentoo!
CPEndlSS 5 months ago
install Gentoo bro!
qsddfasdasdas 5 months ago
install Gentoo!
Darckwolf90 6 months ago
Install Gentoo
Hvalfisk 6 months ago
install gentoo bro!
qsddfasdasdas 6 months ago
Install Gentoo
elgranto7 6 months ago
Install Gentoo
MermaFX 6 months ago
Install gentoo
thomo1888 6 months ago
I've heard that Gentoo's documentation is comparable to Arch's documentation.
Which one do you think is better?
PCGamerNET 6 months ago
@PCGamerNET I use Arch and I always try to read both distros' wiki, starting with Arch page.
Both are clear and in most cases sufficient, sometimes they suggest alternative solutions. Just read them and decide.
Comparing the distros, Arch can be installed, configured, updated and rearranged easily and quickly. Gentoo takes a lot of time to install/update software but instead provides for easier package customization through use flags. Both are great.
aleclitvinov 3 months ago
Portage seems cleaner than APT, and resolves dependency issues better than RPM packages.
But so far, it seems that compiling packages bring only marginal speed and optimization benefits.
teh5abiking 6 months ago
For Gentoo users: Now there is Funtoo, and I recommend to try. Very good review by the way. I really think you should give a chance to Funtoo. It's more stable (key components are less updated and more checked, it have 12 hours after Gentoo package release, non-GUI components are checked), it uses Git instead of Rsync and the wiki is more up-to-date. :D
I also really like Sabayon and Slackware :P
Darkteammadfiz 6 months ago
which is the best package manager for linux?
asperger1981 7 months ago
@asperger1981 it's a matter of opinion, really. Most of them offer searching capabilities, they all add/remove packages, some of them resolve dependencies, some don't.
In my experience, I really like yum, because it offers installation history/rollback, and conary, for the same reasons (and it's on a rolling release distro).
thisweekinlinux 7 months ago
@thisweekinlinux I like YUM too, but the major downside is that it's only for RPM packages, which make you download dependency after dependency if you install by hand.
PCGamerNET 5 months ago
3 years ago I was still running Internet Exploer on XP. Never knew about web broswers, or even zips. lol. but now I'm running ubuntu and still learning. I think I see Debian or Arch in my futere buut...who knows...I might make it rich and just buy a mac and fuck modals all day without stressing on making it better!
THUSxFAR 7 months ago
which is the best package manager for linux?
asperger1981 7 months ago
You don't have to worry about the Use Flags if you don't want to. They are just 'switches' that allow you to exclude optional features if you know you don't need them.
22ness0hayden 7 months ago
Still loving Gentoo as my main OS. Soo unbeliveably stable and fast!
22ness0hayden 7 months ago
3 Years ago I was using Windows XP and getting viruses. 4 Months ago I started using Ubuntu Linux and now I'm using Arch Linux. Linux isn't hard, it just takes dedication.
theif519 8 months ago
Arch Linux for the win!
Bo0Mhe4d5hOT 8 months ago
i ran ubuntu 2 months ago. Now I run Fedora with no problems
marky61198 8 months ago
Install gentoo.
exmerion 8 months ago
3 Years ago I was installing my first Ubuntu: 8.04. Now I run a full customized Arch. I think I'm gonna try Gentoo sometime this year.
bloodytanga 8 months ago
Three years ago, I was a sloppy home programmer writing in VB (yuck!) and was a fresh n00b in the GNU/Linux world. Now, I am programming in C/C++ and some C#, and I am now using Linux Mint dualbooting with Windows 7, as well as Arch & Debian in VirtualBox.
xplinux22 9 months ago
Gentoo rocks!
minoss1970 9 months ago
3 years ago I didn't know Linux existed, now I use Gentoo on my laptop and Arch on a home server, Ubuntu at work and Fedora at school.
SliceMusik 9 months ago
What's the name of terminal irc client @ video 0:43 . Looks like prehistoric BitchX.
sajkec 9 months ago
Wow, 3 years ago I could barely work basic apt-get in ubuntu and debian. Now I normally run either custom gentoo or if Im lazy I go Sabayon
gmanprime500 9 months ago
@gmanprime500 I'm like you were 3 years ago. Hopefully I'll get better at it. Guides are very nice. :3
Killerdude240 9 months ago
I first used Gentoo back in 2002, and it took me literally days to compile, but I've not found a snappier and more fun linux distro since then. However, it is a labor of love, 'cause you constantly have to tweak things to keep the system running.
AfroNinja 9 months ago
3 years ago I was on pclinux now I'm trying to get gentoo on an ibook D: which is not working.
Perdoct 9 months ago
I acutally just compiled Gentoo a couple days ago. I'm loving it. (Although it helps I've got a quad core processor so I can do 5 parallel make jobs!) Everything is so snappy and even will all the bells and whistles of KDE turned on I was stunned to see how small the CPU and memory usage was, 1% and 256MB idle. It is certainly a pain in the butt to get running but I think it is worth it in the end.
itachisxeyes 9 months ago
man i've got to review this for my next episode of edward's os review
1pokemonhacker 10 months ago
With a good enough computer and a memorization of the majority of the manual you, that only takes about 4 installs if you have a good enough memory or can read through a printed version fast enough, can get through an install in about 4 hours or less depending on which desktop environment you decided to go far and depending on whether your ISP craps out on you if you happen to live somewhere where there is interference with your signal in any way or if it is "rush hour" for your internet usage.
SeraphicHellion 10 months ago
@Sb0yce This is not a distro I've ever heard anyone recommend to a new user, especially not a fresh Windows convert.
thisweekinlinux 10 months ago 31
@thisweekinlinux
what would you recommend then? ubuntu? just wondering
ObamaGoesPostal 9 months ago
@ObamaGoesPostal For a new user, a lot of times I recommend Ubuntu or Mint, but right now is a really awkward time to recommend any one distro over another, because there's so much turmoil and change going on.
Personally, I use Arch and am happy to recommend that to people who are more familiar with Linux (specifically working in the terminal).
thisweekinlinux 9 months ago
@ObamaGoesPostal I recommend ubuntu 10. I sincerely believe that it's user friendly. Occasionally you have to do things that don't LOOK user friendly, but they are because you aren't doing them yourself.
For instance, you want to install a new program but it isn't in the software center (app store). so you look for it on the internet and you will usually have to "add sources" and "getkeys" but they almost always provide you with the exact input you need for the terminal
so it's copy paste.
darris321 8 months ago
@thisweekinlinux You would be surprised. Gentoo and Arch users would say: If you are a new user, our distro is definitely worth trying because you would learn a lot from the get go.
FearedBliss 8 months ago
@FearedBliss I think that's true. My first distro was Ubuntu 10.10 and I used it for about two months, then I installed Arch Linux and almost everything I know (which isn't a lot, haha), I learned it in Arch. In Ubuntu I just learned a few commands and that's it, but Arch forces me to learn. And it is so much fun.
I would love to try Gentoo, but my computer is not good enough and my internet is really slow, but one day I would love to, though I have no intention of getting rid of Arch.
RainSkG 7 months ago
@thisweekinlinux I'm more of a transitioner when I recommend things to new users. Mint -> Fedora (Maybe) -> Arch -> Gentoo. No more for me, or for me to recommend to others.. no way LFS lol ;D
FearedBliss 8 months ago
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@thisweekinlinux oh and let me not forget Debian. You can use Debian as a substitute for Fedora step.
FearedBliss 8 months ago
@thisweekinlinux oh and btw, when I said Arch -> Gentoo .. that doesn't mean that I use Gentoo, I use Arch as my main Linux since no other Linux fits my requirements (unfortunately :(), but I see Gentoo as close as you can get to bare bones as you can get without going LFS. (Arch is barebones without going to source, Gentoo is barebones without going LFS aka .. getting rid of a package manager by default haha).
FearedBliss 8 months ago
@thisweekinlinux looking back I wish I had started with gentoo. there's a gap between linux and windows, they're totally different. distros like ubuntu can hide this fact from you for a while, and you will expect it to be "an OS like windows, but a little better one". linux can be set up to emulate some kind of windows desktop experience, but it's a dead end. only when you stray away from these expectations you can find out that linux suits you better - because it's different.
aleclitvinov 3 months ago
Ten years ago I would have been just turning nine years old and did everything on Windows. YUCK! About three or four years later I would have been introduced to HTML. Another three or four years later I would have been introduced to C++ and Java. During that time my teacher had us attend a major computer convention in Denver, Colorado where I heard the name Linux for the first time. I started asking a friend about it and he suggest I take a look at Ubuntu. I haven't looked back sense!
weblearner115 10 months ago
what recording software do you use?
WhiteHatCrack 11 months ago
@WhiteHatCrack For this video, I believe I used gtk-recordmydesktop. Lately I've been using kazam screencaster.
thisweekinlinux 11 months ago
using fedora 10.... just getting introduced to linux after ~10 years of windows.
haven't looked back...
Linux easy enough for a 14 year old to use :)
RideBikesRide 11 months ago
3 years ago, I was compiling Gentoo from stage 1.
mgierb 11 months ago 5
@mgierb LOL, probably still compiling till this day.
Tsicar 3 months ago 2
@Tsicar Nope, on core 2 duo with 2 gigs of ram and 7500 rpm hdd everything took about 12 h. (including kde)
mgierb 3 months ago
OH MY GOD! Ive got that penguin on my left (the small one) I've had it ever since I was little!
SOF006 11 months ago
3 years ago, I was an Ubuntu n00b. :P
Deliciousfruit233 11 months ago
If i install gentoo, will i finally achieve my neckbeard?
Inzolity 11 months ago
3 years ago, I was on 30-minute-and-some-more-crashing windows... 3 years later, I'm migrating from ubuntu to OpenSUSE :D
WOHOO :D
Rubdos 11 months ago
You look like both Adam Savage and J.J. Abrams. :D
Jerkwad152 11 months ago 13
@Jerkwad152 thank you. :)
thisweekinlinux 11 months ago
@22ness0hayden FearedBliss @22ness0hayden the G in Gentoo is not silent. In their documentation it says it's G as in gentle. As for gnome the is also pronounced and not silent.
FearedBliss 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden the G in Gentoo is not silent. In their documentation it says it's G as in
FearedBliss 1 year ago
3 years ago I was messing around with Ubuntu 8.04 8.10. Fedora 8-9. Now I basically use Linux for basically anything except gaming. I'm very comfortable in the CLI. I have K&R C in my Library. I just purchased "The UNIX programming Environment". I have a subscription to the Linux Journal, and I'm also a huge fan of GPLv2 (Not v3.. v3 is horrible and adds useless restrictions).
FearedBliss 1 year ago
well upgrading gnome with -j2 (1 CPU) and in a VM takes a lot time.
on a real machine with at least 2 CPUs the results would be better...
chrumzelup 1 year ago
3 years ago i was sitting in a cmp 101 class at Nasssau Community College and I had not even heard of Linux. A semester later I heard of Ubuntu in a class but had no idea how to get it up and running
2 years ago I began using backtrack and really got excited about Linux and learning Linux
1 year ago I first heard of Gentoo and attempted to install it and failed
Currently I am a happily joined Arch Linux user
DaDistro 1 year ago
I'd rather shoot myself in the dick than install and update gentoo in virtualbox.
johnrcoben 1 year ago
man, it's "guh-nome!" Haha no hard feelings I do the same.
kalebman5000 1 year ago
@kalebman5000 d'oh. this was back when I said "nome". So many people poked at me about it, that I started saying it correctly, and now every day I get at least 1-2 comments saying "you idiot, it's pronounced 'nome'!".
I just can't win.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago 2
@thisweekinlinux its nome, trust me. GUH-NOME sounds... dumb
dndepisode67 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Yeah I would think the G is silent?? Haha who cares aye
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden G as in Gentle.
FearedBliss 1 year ago
@FearedBliss no lol, that's not a silet G
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux lol just keep saying guh-nome. ;D
FearedBliss 1 year ago
@FearedBliss I do. :)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@kalebman5000
Well , I myself say gnome.. that is to say, English gnome: 'nome'. But being pedfantic as you are... it isn't 'guh'nome, it is in that case 'gee-nome'... like the human genome project.
I'm sure you will get it right one day kiddo :)
lakmilis 11 months ago
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kalebman5000 11 months ago
@lakmilis No no no, it's certainly not pronounced like genome. It's guh-nome, because it is supposed to be similar to "GNU." (Guh-new)
Please get your facts straight before you call me "kiddo."
Have a nice day.
kalebman5000 11 months ago 3
@kalebman5000
Well , I myself say gnome.. that is to say, English gnome: 'nome'. But being pedantic* ;x as you are... it isn't 'guh'nome, it is in that case 'gee-nome'... like the human genome project.
I'm sure you will get it right one day kiddo :)
lakmilis 11 months ago
Where can I finfd a Tux sticker??? I've been looking for over a week now... :-( any help ?
Stefanakos84 1 year ago
@Stefanakos84 I did a quick google search for "tux penguin sticker" and it looks like there are a bunch on Zazzle and Cafepress. Alternately you could take the Tux image and go to one of those sites and make your own stickers pretty easily. I took my logo (the one that's the avatar for my channel and on Twitter) and had Cafepress print me out 48 stickers for like $25.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Man! Someone needs to gift you a klingon dictionary! You have everything, everything!, in your bookshelf but a klingon dictionary ;-)
tannalv 1 year ago
@tannalv um, hehe. I've got the Klingon Dictionary in paperback (and the audiobook version). Been a while since I looked at it, though.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Sabayon is like Gentoo with its heart and purpose ripped out of it.
The thing about gentoo is, that it takes a lot of effort to get into it, but once you are comfortable with how it works and have customized everything it just is fun to use.
It doesn't mess everything up once in a while like Ubuntu does with every release.
I would recommend it to everyone who likes Arch but is using AUR often. You will have a much easier time doing stuff in Gentoo.
BTW: I am ~amd64 and my system just works!
LuciusMartius 1 year ago
@LuciusMartius Sulfur and portage lags like crazy when using then on 64bit.I had like over 3GB used up when installing 1 application.
TheSniperofDeath 1 year ago
ZOMG WTF.
You should use -q option to emerge when compiling.
You should turn on niceless and parallel builds if you have multiple cores.
You should really WANT to learn how to ASSEMBLE things if you WANT them assembled your way. Gentoo is much more a tool than a distro. = )
lin545 1 year ago
his vm's hostname is "gentoohurts" XD
supereater14 1 year ago
@supereater14 yeah, this was done after installing gentoo twice (tried to move the VM from my laptop to desktop, lost it, so I had to start over). It's really not bad, just time consuming.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
great vid... i would help if you zoom in or maximize ur terminal with a larger font so we could see the text...
YoungBud03 1 year ago
@YoungBud03 yeah, I've learned quite a bit about better techniques in the last 6 months. Thanks for mentioning it though.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
After updating vital parts of the system you had to do so many checks to ensure reverse depends are not broken. And you have every freedom to shoot yourself into the foot. And you will, at some point.
If you stick with the stable branch, Gentoo is not particularly up-to-date either. Using the unstable is a pain in the behind.
Eventually one gets tired of spending half of your time tweaking and hacking away and would like to devote as much time as possible to actual projects and work.
SkyxN3t 1 year ago
I agree to 100 %, it is exactly the thoughts I had when using Gentoo for some weeks on a spare partition. Most of the uptime, the computer was busy compiling stuff - > what a waste of time. I had to leave the machine on over night to get OpenOffice done. And I also found the gain negligeable, if there was one at all. I found the dependency handling miserable.
SkyxN3t 1 year ago
good review but we now how long take for install an compile what we rely wanna know how is after install ,how is look and how fast is
frankpollo 1 year ago
@frankpollo I don't know if I mentioned it in this video, but I didn't see a noticeable performance difference, but I didn't do much in terms of optimization. As far as the look and feel, that's entirely up to the end user. Out of the box, it's very plain, whatever you isntall on it.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux With good optimization you can speed up everything really noticably, especially in terms of memory usage. However this mean you have to custom compile your own kernel (best case with CPU optimalization usage), then set right CFlags (--march etc). Then to USE flags, this is what really makes difference, as on Ubuntu one package means that all backends, plugins frameworks are precompiled and wasting your memory unless you really use them. KDE 4.5 with optimizations, 250MB boot...
thomaspruzina 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux It depends on what you do I get a big boost on video and sound editing software. If you are a musician just linux sampler makes it worth the effort. I install gentoo from inside debian so that I have a working computer at all times. Gentoo is not for the n00b. the biggest draw back is that many packages are missing that you expect to find in a modern distro.
enyawix 1 year ago
@frankpollo Actually it's pretty fast IF you configure your kernel before you compile everything, IF you use cpu optimizations in etc make.conf IF you use minimal USE flags that suits you. Then you can actually install it. If you want fast boot, you can apply openrc + baselayout2 and then at the top of it systemd (you get one of the fastests boots then, basic baselayout1 and sysvinit is really obsolete and default :/ ). Then you have fast, reliable system compiled to suit your computer.
KriegHeil 1 year ago
do you like gentoo linux ? because I love it.. :)
linuxrealpower 1 year ago
@linuxrealpower if I had to use it, I would feel comfortable doing so, but I don't prefer it. I don't like waiting for things to compile. :P
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux yeah compiling is "slow" but I have time for it.I think it's one of the best distributions because it's vey flexibile.I tried too arch linux.I think it's too beautiful but it was very simply for me :D
linuxrealpower 1 year ago
also, you don't have to keep adding use flags to make.conf if you don't want every package on your system to recompile with the new use flags. If you need a use flag for just one specific package you can type
USE="useflag" emerge package-name
or
echo "portage-dir/package-name useflag" >> /etc/portage/package.use
then emerge the package. Portage rocks! ok i'll shutup now.
m1cawber1 1 year ago
@m1cawber1 Thanks for all the great info. :P
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@m1cawber1 Interesting. I wish I knew this last night! lol
I just added "-hanbook" to my make.conf as it was causing a package to fail. Of course it tooks hours for everything to re-compile!
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
...and compile times can be cut a bit by compiling in RAM instead of on your hard drive. in /etc/fstab:
tmpfs /var/tmp/portage tmpfs size=2048M,mode=0777 0 0
Just set the size smaller than your physical RAM :)
m1cawber1 1 year ago
Of the three distros I've run, Ubuntu Fedora and Gentoo, Gentoo has won its place on /dev/sda. Sure there's a learning curve, and compiling takes some time but once the curve is overcome, its a piece of cake. Whenever I've had any problem, I've found the gentoo community incredibly helpful and friendly in the forums. And its so refreshing to know your system is custom compiled for your hardware and there are no unknown packages that came installed by default that you'll never use.
m1cawber1 1 year ago
@m1cawber1 google xkcd compiling XD.
TheSniperofDeath 1 year ago
3 years ago I was only just discovering the world of Linux. Now I practically live in it.
SSiteSmiley 1 year ago
The programmers have a sense of humor during the installation I saw the term "f.u.c.k.u.p" somewhere ^^ not meaning anything nasty just
"First Universal Cybernetic-Kinetic Ultra-Micro Programmer" :D
Raffix394 1 year ago
/g/entoo
thebanjoz 1 year ago
You know, you can install Gentoo from the bottom up with a quad-core in less than 5 hours all the way to X? I installed KDE so that took me extra 1 to 1.5 hours. Now, after running stable, there's really no work to maintain Gentoo. With ~arch, you'll have tons of problems and bugs (which was fun). I personally think Gentoo is the best distro out there. I can never got used to Arch Linux's file system hirearchy. Everybody has their own opinions on which distro is the best. :) Mine is Gentoo.
powerinstars6 1 year ago
@powerinstars6 I did Gentoo from the bottom up on one core of a quad core in 8 hours.
I haven't had those issues with Arch. No real problems/bugs. There was a bit of awkwardness when it came to the rapid switch to Python 3 and htt ps for the AUR, but things are smooth now.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux I'm sorry. I was saying ~arch (like ~amd64) as in ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~arch," as in running unstable Gentoo. I do try and differentiate because Arch Linux would be a distro and ~arch an unstable in Gentoo.
I do understand that Arch Linux does not have real problems/bugs. For me, the issue was File System Hirearchy and renaming different softwares.
powerinstars6 1 year ago
@powerinstars6 My misunderstanding, sorry! :)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
install gentoo
BaronMcmeaty 1 year ago
@BaronMcmeaty I did, thanks.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
It has to be said here that you can have a running stable gentoo install up and running in less than 15mins All be it without X but in your own kernel FS and terminal ready for you to emerge gnome or KDE just make sure you understand your USE flags correctly so you dont have to install things you dont need. It can take a long time to fine tune your kernel to squeeze every ounce of power from your system just as much as to optimize your USE flags for performance from your apps.
fireicer 1 year ago
@srikanthradix for me, i want to try gentoo. and why? because it would help me learn more about linux and give me the experience and accomplished feeling of such a feat (i know, in other words just for heck of it lol).
LinuxShogoki 1 year ago
@LinuxShogoki Thats exactly why i moved from red hat to gentoo years ago. I felt red hat was cramping my style with updates over writing my source mods and really wanted to learn more. I moved to gentoo and wow its amazing, the knowledge but you need stick with it to accomplish your goal. I remember stage 1 installs Bootstrapping the chicken or the egg overcome problem.Gentoo community are all a great help and i help where i can too its good fun and very productive I use gentoo as my primary OS
fireicer 1 year ago
I tried Gentoo some years ago... the promise of optimized performance was an appealing idea, but after 3 days trying to get it to install and errors connecting to servers and server updates mismatched to what was loaded the day before. I threw the towel in and switched to OpenSuse. Gentoo is tedious. I do not know if they improved it since then, but after that experience, I am reluctant to try it again. I would quicker use a compile from sources on Slax than Gentoo.
DragonlordWarlock 1 year ago
@DragonlordWarlock Yes it has improved to a very dependable reliable distro very reliable more reliable than red hat in my opinion and thats saying something but you still have to put the work in developing your system. Once you have completed it it runs perfect, occasionally some teething updates but all in all superb. my last full compile install was about 3 years ago i had some big ass updates, Open Office eek. leave it till weekend set it going Friday night go down the pub come back job done
fireicer 1 year ago
I've just finished building my custom kernel and am about to emerge a desktop. A guy called DONAHUE on forums.gentoo.org has been extremely helpful and I couldn't have done it without his assistance. RTFM has been the opposite response in my experience - glady so, as it's a bit tricky for a Suse/Mint/Arch user.
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@srikanthradix I use Gentoo because I hate distros like Ubuntu, Suse, Arch because they are slow and awful outdated repos) Arch because it doesn't give me developer packages, debug packages, but i have to compile myself, so why not use Gentoo instead.
I've been using Gentoo for 6 years and when I try any other distro, it never behaves the way I am used to with Gentoo. It took 18 installs to get Gentoo working correctly (I was a beginner linux user). But now, I can install gentoo in 5 hours.
ZekeComa 1 year ago
btw if you want, you can emerge all these apps to help much better
autounmask (unmask newer stuff)
eix (faster search and better results of apps than the one shown in the video)
eix-sync (syncs the tree and updates the search db, it comes with eix)
eix-update (updates the search db only, comes with eix)
ufed (use flag editor and explains what flags are what)
layman (for adding repos like kde-live (kde's trunk, gnome's trunk))
ZekeComa 1 year ago
nice review :)
ZekeComa 1 year ago
@srikanthradix I've thought for a long time that it had to do with gaining extra performance by compiling the software specifically for your computer, but someone told me that wasn't correct, so I'm not really sure.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux I been a gentoo user for 8 years why use it well compile once, its stable, its great to track bugs, repair bugs, mod code, digest the ebuild, emerge the mod ver in seconds. Gentoo allows you to mod build test develop the most powerful OS ever. and its so reliable. Source management tree is amazing especially those that use git source. moves very fast at times and so does development. I can tweak everything especially hardware kernel to apps basically i can fix things instantly.
fireicer 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Yes you do get extra performance. Generic build build to i686 thats it but each processor eg Nahalem have specific technology in them when you compile your code you can compile these extra library's for your processor into the application which greatly improves the whole software/system. Its like autocad products for your whole desktop. AMD have NUMA arch this can be set and compiled into your system wide utilizing massive multi-core/processor benefits system wide where aplicabl
fireicer 1 year ago
Just learn how to use emerge and the USE flags and all will be beautiful. porthole helps too
johnrcoben 1 year ago
@johnrcoben yup, it's really not as bad as some people make it out to be. :)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Well my Suse partition is mis-behaving so after watching this review I think I will give Gentoo a try!
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden nice. hope you've got quite a bit of time to devote to getting it going. It's a pretty nice system after you get past the initial setup.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Have a search for Techsnap's pacman rant.
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden just watched it. Arch does indeed pull in a few extra things, but I believe there's a method to their madness. :P
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
i'd say with arch you get a lot more than what you ask for. check out some of the silly dependicies pacman pulls in with some packages.
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden I didn't notice that, but if you have, cool. I just know it's a LOT less than what you'd get with some other distros.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden
The whole thing with "pacman pulls in more than you need" is pretty much not true, it installs those dependencies because at compile time, those packages were required, option selected that during compile time that wasn't mandatory is left as an "optional dependency", and pacman will notify you of any optional stuff you can install if you want too. Gentoo does the same thing, it pulls in what is nessesary for compile time, and the other USE flags are just optional things.
Chaniyth 1 year ago
@Chaniyth For example, CUPS - I don't have a printer and so don't require it, but it seems to be a MANDATORY dependancy with a lot of packages.
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
@22ness0hayden which is why you can use abs. you can build the package just like in gentoo, bauerbill by xyne for archlinux can do it automagically, sometimes the PKGBUILD make ask you something but rarely, building a kernel does that
coolkehon 1 year ago
@WeaselAmazing ah, I see now. Yes, at that time I was on a much slower connection. Arch is MUCH faster now. :)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago