It would be nice to see how you shape the top and bottom parts of the spindle as well as how you shape the hole in the board for the first use so the spindle doesn't slip out.
Great videos! They're not only informative but inspiring! Question: What would result if the spindle was a harder wood than the board? I have some maple pieces that are shaped for a spindle but the board is an old plank of cedar fence. Would the maple shred the cedar too quickly?
Okay, i tried this today and i dont know how to get this right. The other video i saw said to lubricate the hand grip with tree sap or something so i did, but before that i carved a little hole in it for the spindle to fit better but it turned out verhy very rough. Then i tried to carve a notch somehow, i dont remember how i did it i think i made an upsidedown V on the side, then a V with the point inside, but i think it was too small or something, but the problem was
@OCoptimusconvoy (continue) i couldnt get the spindle to stay in place, it always always moved or turned on an angle and eventually fell out and i couldnt get any speed at all. how do i do the pre-burn thing that makes the hole in the woodboard?
@OCoptimusconvoy Sharpen your spindle to a point on both ends. This requires that you only need a divit small enough and deep enough to accept the point of your spindle in your fire board as well as your hand hold. Burn the divits in til they are the diameter of your spindle BEFORE carving your notch. Make sure you have a good tight lock on your shin with the wrist of the hand holdong the hand hold and your spindle is straight up and down. Good Luck.
Often we use nothing, even on damp ground. The "welcome mat" is more a convienience than a necessity. Having said that, any flat leaf, piece of bark, or wood chip will do. Conduction is a factor and a valid arguement for having one, but increasing the powdery base of your coal is often all you need as a thermal barrier to sustain a coal. 2 goals to work toward, beyond fire off the landscape w/ stone tools: a coal without a welcome mat & one that is lrg enough to ignite/flame on its own.
@primitiveskills 2 goals to work toward, a coal without a welcome mat & one that is lrg enough to ignite/flame on its own.
The first one 'sounds' pretty straight forwards... Although I thought the main purpose of the coal catcher as we call it in the UK is to transport the coal from the hearth to the tinder bundle.
The second, I've never heard of before? A coal big enoigh to flame by its-self?
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school. Also, by sharing viable entry level skill sets we want to get folks excited about the obtainable ability to walk in to the woods and come out in better condition a few decades later without having to rely on any gear.
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school. Also, by sharing viable entry level skill sets we want to get folks excited about the obtainable ability to walk in to the woods and come out in better condition a few decades later without having to rely on any gear.
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school by sharing viable entry level skill sets.
I tryed to used a drum stick that was cut in half for the fire board and spindel, it's made of texas hickory, got smoke and ash but no Cole, can any one give me some tips?
@DethMetalNinja1 Im no drum stick expert by any means but I think the reason why there isn't any coal is because they put a seal coat on the stick to keep it from getting scratched so it might be affecting your ability to make a coal. I would suggest just looking up diff. types of trees like and ash tree and get a stick from that. Im no expert but that should help a lot more.
ur position looks painful, but u r the only person who explained everything in so much detail, everyone else just tells u what wood to use for each item and that's it.
@jmiersmasexy Im not exactly an expert, but the speed of your draw is not as important as keeping it steady. also make sure to use the full length of your bow
one thing that is overlooked in just about all primitive bow drill vids and instructions at least i have seen, is no one is very detailed about the notch in the fire board. And that is what i have trouble with.
@primitiveskills wow! thanks! i believe that is the most important part of it all as well, as the rest of the stuff is pretty basic for the most part, I think having a good fireboard and correct notch is what really makes the difference, Im looking forward to learnign from your vid!
Can you suggest me what can i use as spindle and baseboard? i have those types of woods in my country: acacia, poplar, birch, linden,willow, wicker, oak, beech, elder, cattail....lots of this i have try but work just elder as spindle and linden as baseboard(where am i wrong?).....thanks for your help!
@alraider100 Poplar, Linden, and Willow are the easier of the woods you listed with each presenting a unique personalilty with respect to the type of coal they produce and moisture issues. Starting with dry linden or willow will help you develop technique and confidence enough to use poplar and even birch. Good Luck!
@phatman811 Yes. Awareness and a little knowledge of the landscape are key to your success. In areas that lack disturbed soils or recoveing fields, head to riparian or lake shore areas to find your spindle material. To ensure they are dry, head toward the north side, or south facing shore in order to harvest your spindle material from an area that gets the most exposure from the sun. After harvesting, if you get black dust & no coal, it means you may stll need to dry out your spindle.
hello,this channel and vids are exelent,i learned how to also start fires and many survival teqniques,however you will forget what you dont use,it is important to remember that you need to have survival kits in your car,house and anywere you travel,work.learn how to survive in your free time for fun,not for survival,if you ever need to use these teqneques they will come easy if already trained,you can not lern how to do most survival teqniques on the cuff,or in shock or trauma,learn first.peace
I have just tried it after having watched ray mears, but I found out that it is quite tricky and ofcourse I did not know all the details, but there was smoke but nothing more.
I found out what you said: a proper cord, and some tinder. I forgot to have something under the drill hole. I think a detail is that the drill material should be softer than the drill it self right? And another thing: the drill should be straight and not slightly bend - it makes it a lot easier. Great stuff.
@etphonehome2915 Thanks for your kind words. A straight spindle makes things easier, & thinner spindle gives more revolutions per arm swing on your bow. The density of the spindle & fireboard can be equal (the same material) or close, but one doesn't have to be denser than the other. This only affects which is worn more. Technique, & Materials Gathered are the basic areas to trouble shoot in the beginning. If you haven't yet got a coal, let me know what the color of the dust is-good luck
@5tonyvvvv At the time we wrngly assumed most folks knew a timber hitch, clove hitch, or could figure out a combo of hitches & knots that would work. Some folks split the bow and jam an overhand knot in the split and hold the working end of the cord in their hand. A useful approach w/ wretted basswood fiber cordage, willow and elm bark, and needle leaf tree rootlets. We had 10 min. to get as much of the skill in as possible, so we cut out the basic stuff & focused on form and technique
@primitiveskills YEA ,well as a boyscoutwho actulually learned many knots ,and got badges,i can assure you i dont remember any of it,haaa,i would recomend everyone to learn ,study basic/extrem survival , in your suburban nighborhood,that way when you actually need it you will know what your doing,take advaNTAGE OF YOUR HOME AND COMFORT BY LEARNING FIRE,KNOTS,SOLAR,OFF GRID,living can be impossible to learn in real tim esituations,peace
@nevildaking Yes, the video was taken in mid March. Ironically, the colder the climate, the drier the air tends to be. This makes getting a coal easier and allows us in Maine to get away with hand drill firemaking (Typically a desert technology) from materials gathered off the landscape in temps well below freezing.
@nevildaking Wait! You got a coal!?! That's what you are supposed to get! Was it smoldering on its own? If so, you did it! Next step: gently place it in a tinder bundle. Where are you located? If you are in a similiar environment as Maine, than shredded Beech leaves formed in to a nest abot the size of a robins nest will suffice provided you shred the leaves fine enough. You can use cattail down as a coal extender/expander by placing a pinch of it in te center of your tinder bundle...
@nevildaking ....then, keeping your mouth about a ft away from the coal to avoid spit/moisture from putting it out, blow through the tinder bundle so smoke pours through your fingers. Don't worry about blowing the coal out, but keep sight of it as you pinch the sides of the tinderbundle to transfer the heat (like a soft shelled taco). Take your time in transferring your coal tothe bundle, it'll last for minutes. Remember, blow HARD enough to have the smoke flow through your fingers! goodluck
@primitiveskills hm.. the coal wasnt smoldering on its owns=( but i thinkt i try it again after cristmas..
im locatet in switzerland and we have not so much trees.. the most ist this (dont know in english) wich u use for a cristmastree what is easier handdrill or bowdrill? and what thype of cordel do u use?
One thing that I find useful for beginners, and younger people who try this, They don't have the forearm strength to keep the spindle upright, or even have enough weight to be able to do this properly. If you move the arm holding the thunderhead, underneath your leg, it can then be locked into place, and if you need more pressure, you lean forward slightly, and if you need less pressure you lean back a little. Really handy. Been doing fire by friction for years now, and still do it this way.
Eastern Australia is a bit of a commute from here. The approach for "asking" a material if it will make a good bow drill wood is the moisture/thumbnail test. First,wood, even in the desert, that is found on the ground, is going to contain more moisture than the dead, hanging wood. "Higher is dryer". Hold your selection against the cheek to feel for dampness/coolness. If it is warm/dry, see if you can put a dent in it w/ your thumb nail. If it isn't covered in resin, your good.
@mrfireclaw The personality of the wood is often more important than the species. Any softer, non resinous wood that you can put a dent in with your thumb nail is worth experimenting on. Degraded, dead, standing oak will even work provided it's not too punky.
hello I need some guidance- I live in New Hampshire so I find Eastern White Pine to be a good source of softwood. Everything seems to work well when I am stroking the bow, I get a lot of smoke and I go as fast as I can and push down on the handpiece hard. All I get is a fine, brown powder, it's not black- what can I do? Does a thicker spindle make sense?
@tkx7 I find the problem with pine is the varying density of it's growth rings. It is difficult to get a coal, but doable. The coal will actually be produced from the lighter colored dust, not the dark brown most folks are familliar with w/ cedar. To compensate for the growth ring issue, the spindle must make contact with a completely flat fireboard. Keep you spindle on the narrow side and use perfect form. Lastle, gray dead barkless branches gathered from high south exposures work best.
@primitiveskills I have found that Eastern White Pine is the best to use. I have made friction fires with numerous woods and White Pine followed by Eastern Hemlock, Cedar, and Sycamore are the best in the southeast. That being said, sometimes you just get a bad section of wood. It can happen with any wood. Maybe tkx7 needs to try again with a different section of wood.
If your spindle is hard to turn, you may be starting off with too much downward pressure. W/ rythmic breathing, 20 strokes slow w/ perfect form, next 20 slowly increase downward pressure, back off just a bit once it binds to achieve max. EFFECTIVE dwnwrd pressure, then go for speed. If still binds, check spindle contact @ hndhold & fireboard for flat spots, also make sure holes aren't too deep in hndhold or fireboard.
@63powerlifter Excellent variation! We opt to shift our upper torso up over our hand so as not to lose the wrist/shin contact for stabilization. This way, we can apply downward body weight while "riding" the shin with the wrist and maintain stability. We will certainly present your method as an option in our classes, as I've tried it and it is usable. Thanks.
Great video! very helpful, but I have a question. How many times(fires) can you use the same indent in the fireboard until another needs to be carved? I would assume each hole could be used until almost burned through. I guess my question is - can the hole be reused? thanks- Bill
Great video! very helpful, but I have a question. How many times(fires) can you use the same indent in the fireboard until another needs to be carved? I would assume each hole could be used until almost burned through. I guess my question is - can the hole be reused? thanks- Bill
@mudhole9 It depends on the density of the wood, diameter of the spindle, the persons technique/form, the weather, and how green or aged the wood is. Even bow length contributes to how many fires you can get out of each hole you urn in. Usually three to eight fires if average parameters for each hole burned in. Remember, it is also used as a drill, complete with modified spindles to accept stone and hardwood bits.
I go to a wilderness camp and my friend burnt up my bow drill kit in her fire she made with her sparker. I was wondering what wood would be the best to use for the spindle, handle, fireboard, and bow? Also on the fireboard do you make a cut on the edge before you start drilling?
@luvmidnight7 Wow, what a good test of a friendship! Any wood you can put a thumb nail in should work for your spindle & fireboard as long as it doesn't have pitch. What region are you in? Fir, cedar, & basswood are my favorites for this bioregion( there are more). Burn the hole 1st, than cut your 1/8th pie notch. Any denser hard wood/stone will work for the hand hold, one of our instructors used a shot glass for a while and we even used a burnt steak as a hand hold on a staff training trip.
@cline031 It would have to be in a place w/o rootlets, innerbarks, yucca leaves, strong plant skins, or animals. In these environments a shirt hem is usually available. But, if all you have is a boot lace, just reverse wrap it and make a narrow spindle with a small bow and use a strap drill (see our strap drill video).
@kevmanev It sounds like you might be rocking your upper body. Put your upper torso directly over the hand hold and spindle and lean with your body weight slowly as you saw. The wrist holding your handhold should be locked tight against your shin. As you slowly lean, the string may slip. That's okay, just back off the downward pressure just enough to keep the string from slipping. This is what we refer to as max. EFFECTIVE downward pressure, now increase speed. Good luck.
@ichewtoast111 If it was one of those bomb proof laces that guarantees it will last longer than the shoe, or 550 (parachute) cord. It is another of many good reasons to replae your boot laces with 550 cord.
@ichewtoast111 It could but you want to make sure the drill is smooth so it won't abrade what is probably a very weakened and worn cord. Also, look up the egyptian bowdrill method. It allows the use of weaker damaged cords though is not as smooth to use in my opinion. Good luck mate.
Great video. I still haven't made a fire. I get plenty of powder and lots of smoke but never an ember. I have one spindle of maple and works well on cedar and basswood, I have an elderberry spindle and it works well on bass wood and poplar, both produce powder and smoke but no coals.
@EatTheWeeds i think your problem is that you're using a very hard wood for the spindle when you actually want 2 softwoods for both your baseboard and your spindle preferrably the same type
They should teach this in schools - there is a lot of science here, it would capture students interest, and add some real excitement to the outdoor component of a Phys. Ed. program!
@mrjagill im pretty sure now a days they teach how to shop at the mall and how to set up affiliate marketing online,survival skills border on illegal,and the food that the kids eat are called noxious weeds and may be considered illegal in all of usa,yes,true,i can not even sell the food shown in other vids children eating on google,it is againdt google terms of use to sell salvia/mint/noxious weeds/seeds ect,this channel has exelent survivalk skills,you should carry a fire kit spark starterpeace
While I agree your most probably right about string positioning, I've found no difference in success or string wear & maybe it is due to my left handedness just have it come a certain comfortable way for me & end opposite of correct.
i like the part when you said not to freak out once you got a coal...that was probably where i went wrong the most haha...
im pprobably spoiled since i'm used to sage in Utah...
by the way, more and more teens are learning to do this in wilderness programs like the one i went to. although i didnt understand why people thought it was a good idea to put pyros in a wilderness group where we were forced to learn how to make fire from scratch...
Nicely done until the very end, not a good idea to raise the tinder bed to a vertical position, you could easily have lost your coal into your lap. Would be safer to keep the bed horizontal while you blow on it. In a sub zero survival situation this could mean the difference between life or death.
The "coal" that I get is just powder. It doesn't hold a shape like yours. Once in my tinder bundle, I gently blow on it and it blows away because it is a powder. I'm sure I just kneed to turn it more, is this correct? Awsome video, very informative-thanks!
twister all you have to do is be patient and let the coal grow before you move it. when you make a tender bundle, put dried shredded inner bark in the middle of tender bundle. let it just sit in your nest for a moment and when you blow pinch the nest and fold it around your coal and blow through the nest first. this will keep your coal from blowing away. and it will feed the oxygen the coal needs. when you blow dont blow hard, just long gentle and directed. after the tender catches then rip it.
if its shiny or glossy that means that your fire board hole has reached the same grain as your spindle. when this occurs it doesnt allow a great amount of friction. to avoid this bowdrill at a slight angle or to put chapsicc on the top of the spindle to reduce friction in the top between the spindle and soccet rocc. i attended wilderness survival school for 2 months. SUWS of The Carolinas
it means your wood has not seasoned enough. you need a piece that is a bit drier. also if you have to use that wood, get ur knife and cut notchesin ur spindle and in the hole of your base board. also a bit of dirt in the hole works to grind away the smooth surface and works to add a bit more friction at the begining to add up more coal composite. if ur spindle whistles really loud its a sure sign that moisture in your wood will cause the glassy smooth surface. just write 4 questions
yucca wood works the best. it starts up better than matches. the stalks that grow out of the top of yuccas. make sure the stalk is grey on the outside but not so old they crumble under the pressure of the spindle. any wood that is not a hard wood works good as long as it is seasoned properly. the skill of finding good seasoned wood takes alot of practice but it is a skill that will be well worth it if you find yourself in a survival situation.
Wonderful demonstration. Well planned, and nice to have a steady camera shot. You know your stuff! I've been working with all different sorts of fire starting. The bow drill is certainly the best one in my opinion. Great job! Oh...it's also nice to see some north woods! I'm in the central part of the country now, but was born and raised in the far north, with Chickadees (like yours in the background), snow, Cedar (I'd kill for a nice Cedar Tree in my back yard again) and fresh, pure air!
Thanks for your intrest Gundog5 this video is in the works and will most likely be called something like "Friction Fire Series: Advanced Hand and Bowdrill techniques"
Nicely done! What I'd also like to see in a vid is the finding of material showing some prep time and effort rather than just seeing a ready-made bow set with instant success.
Maybe include common failure situations (ie. wrong wood types, something breaks, pressure too hard/soft, drill too fast/slow, dust not black enough, spindle springs out too often, no dust in notch, it squeaks too loud, vibration, etc...) and explain why before showing success. Might be more realistic for the average Joe.
Not only do they do fire, I signed up for the native awareness class and it was amazing. I am definetely going back for the native awareness 2 class and some of the tracking classes and wild edible and medicinal plant classes. The staff really know their stuff and are accessible.
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raveepat 4 days ago
Great tutorial, thanks
bishbashboshjt 3 weeks ago
Nice video.
TheIowaPrepper 1 month ago
I get a lot of smoke, and a lot of black dust but nvr an ember. what can i do better?
Snbkr 1 month ago
It would be nice to see how you shape the top and bottom parts of the spindle as well as how you shape the hole in the board for the first use so the spindle doesn't slip out.
Nice vid btw!
vjanda1 1 month ago
@TurabT it has yo be sharp on top for less friction and curvy on the bottom for more friction.
Cjrm3gtr 2 months ago
Does the stick that you use as a drill need to be pointed or flat in order to work.
TurabT 2 months ago
I was reading this in a book, then looked up videos like this one and went to try it.
I only got a bit of smoke before it got too dark to keep trying :P
migalexdiaz 3 months ago
great !
MrHabsmtl1993 3 months ago
This was so informative! Much more informative than the survivor shows on Discovery channel! Thank you!!!
Dinahmcc 4 months ago
AMAZING!
XxServalcat24xX 5 months ago
great instruction thanx for sharing. dave
branni79 5 months ago
Thanks Man!!
Foxr6 5 months ago
Great videos! They're not only informative but inspiring! Question: What would result if the spindle was a harder wood than the board? I have some maple pieces that are shaped for a spindle but the board is an old plank of cedar fence. Would the maple shred the cedar too quickly?
antpop1 5 months ago
How does Pine work for these?
AwakenedBuddhist 6 months ago
I like your videos.
You sure took your time getting that ember into the bundle my friend.
chicago6584 6 months ago
Okay, i tried this today and i dont know how to get this right. The other video i saw said to lubricate the hand grip with tree sap or something so i did, but before that i carved a little hole in it for the spindle to fit better but it turned out verhy very rough. Then i tried to carve a notch somehow, i dont remember how i did it i think i made an upsidedown V on the side, then a V with the point inside, but i think it was too small or something, but the problem was
OCoptimusconvoy 6 months ago
@OCoptimusconvoy (continue) i couldnt get the spindle to stay in place, it always always moved or turned on an angle and eventually fell out and i couldnt get any speed at all. how do i do the pre-burn thing that makes the hole in the woodboard?
OCoptimusconvoy 6 months ago
@OCoptimusconvoy Sharpen your spindle to a point on both ends. This requires that you only need a divit small enough and deep enough to accept the point of your spindle in your fire board as well as your hand hold. Burn the divits in til they are the diameter of your spindle BEFORE carving your notch. Make sure you have a good tight lock on your shin with the wrist of the hand holdong the hand hold and your spindle is straight up and down. Good Luck.
primitiveskills 6 months ago
@primitiveskills thanks :) so i have to actually carve a small hole in both parts?
OCoptimusconvoy 6 months ago
What do you use as the welcome mat for your coal? It looked like another piece of wood. Is that correct?
Floydian6973 7 months ago
Often we use nothing, even on damp ground. The "welcome mat" is more a convienience than a necessity. Having said that, any flat leaf, piece of bark, or wood chip will do. Conduction is a factor and a valid arguement for having one, but increasing the powdery base of your coal is often all you need as a thermal barrier to sustain a coal. 2 goals to work toward, beyond fire off the landscape w/ stone tools: a coal without a welcome mat & one that is lrg enough to ignite/flame on its own.
primitiveskills 7 months ago
@primitiveskills 2 goals to work toward, a coal without a welcome mat & one that is lrg enough to ignite/flame on its own.
The first one 'sounds' pretty straight forwards... Although I thought the main purpose of the coal catcher as we call it in the UK is to transport the coal from the hearth to the tinder bundle.
The second, I've never heard of before? A coal big enoigh to flame by its-self?
Best Regards, al.
smileytall 5 months ago
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school. Also, by sharing viable entry level skill sets we want to get folks excited about the obtainable ability to walk in to the woods and come out in better condition a few decades later without having to rely on any gear.
primitiveskills 7 months ago
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school. Also, by sharing viable entry level skill sets we want to get folks excited about the obtainable ability to walk in to the woods and come out in better condition a few decades later without having to rely on any gear.
primitiveskills 7 months ago
Yes. The basics demonstrated in this vid are just a starting point for our intro class. The intent is bow drill off the landscape with stone tools in all four seasons. Right now we use the basic level skill sets just to get the word out about our school by sharing viable entry level skill sets.
primitiveskills 7 months ago
I tryed to used a drum stick that was cut in half for the fire board and spindel, it's made of texas hickory, got smoke and ash but no Cole, can any one give me some tips?
DethMetalNinja1 7 months ago
@DethMetalNinja1 Im no drum stick expert by any means but I think the reason why there isn't any coal is because they put a seal coat on the stick to keep it from getting scratched so it might be affecting your ability to make a coal. I would suggest just looking up diff. types of trees like and ash tree and get a stick from that. Im no expert but that should help a lot more.
DudeitsGrafton 6 months ago
ur position looks painful, but u r the only person who explained everything in so much detail, everyone else just tells u what wood to use for each item and that's it.
awkwardandannoying 7 months ago
Excellent video and instruction. (Yes, the notch is important and should be included)
KEEP ON PREPPING
PatriotPrepper 9 months ago
Wow
KiwiFuri 9 months ago
@jmiersmasexy Im not exactly an expert, but the speed of your draw is not as important as keeping it steady. also make sure to use the full length of your bow
MrSirSkillet 10 months ago
one thing that is overlooked in just about all primitive bow drill vids and instructions at least i have seen, is no one is very detailed about the notch in the fire board. And that is what i have trouble with.
cawkazn 10 months ago
@cawkazn Your right. Thank you for the new video idea! We'll get right on it!
primitiveskills 10 months ago
@primitiveskills wow! thanks! i believe that is the most important part of it all as well, as the rest of the stuff is pretty basic for the most part, I think having a good fireboard and correct notch is what really makes the difference, Im looking forward to learnign from your vid!
cawkazn 10 months ago
@cawkazn Did you ever get your Bow Drill Making Fire?
wilcox1219 7 months ago
Can you suggest me what can i use as spindle and baseboard? i have those types of woods in my country: acacia, poplar, birch, linden,willow, wicker, oak, beech, elder, cattail....lots of this i have try but work just elder as spindle and linden as baseboard(where am i wrong?).....thanks for your help!
alraider100 10 months ago
@alraider100 Poplar, Linden, and Willow are the easier of the woods you listed with each presenting a unique personalilty with respect to the type of coal they produce and moisture issues. Starting with dry linden or willow will help you develop technique and confidence enough to use poplar and even birch. Good Luck!
primitiveskills 10 months ago
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I have a problem with placing the drill into the string because every time the string breaks do you have any suggestions?
HandsomeSasquatch 11 months ago
can you make one with like materials you just find if you were actually lost
phatman811 11 months ago
@phatman811 Yes. Awareness and a little knowledge of the landscape are key to your success. In areas that lack disturbed soils or recoveing fields, head to riparian or lake shore areas to find your spindle material. To ensure they are dry, head toward the north side, or south facing shore in order to harvest your spindle material from an area that gets the most exposure from the sun. After harvesting, if you get black dust & no coal, it means you may stll need to dry out your spindle.
primitiveskills 11 months ago
Excellent job. Great instruction.
KEEP ON PREPPING
PatriotPrepper 11 months ago
hello,this channel and vids are exelent,i learned how to also start fires and many survival teqniques,however you will forget what you dont use,it is important to remember that you need to have survival kits in your car,house and anywere you travel,work.learn how to survive in your free time for fun,not for survival,if you ever need to use these teqneques they will come easy if already trained,you can not lern how to do most survival teqniques on the cuff,or in shock or trauma,learn first.peace
plantsofthegods 1 year ago
I have just tried it after having watched ray mears, but I found out that it is quite tricky and ofcourse I did not know all the details, but there was smoke but nothing more.
I found out what you said: a proper cord, and some tinder. I forgot to have something under the drill hole. I think a detail is that the drill material should be softer than the drill it self right? And another thing: the drill should be straight and not slightly bend - it makes it a lot easier. Great stuff.
etphonehome2915 1 year ago
@etphonehome2915 Thanks for your kind words. A straight spindle makes things easier, & thinner spindle gives more revolutions per arm swing on your bow. The density of the spindle & fireboard can be equal (the same material) or close, but one doesn't have to be denser than the other. This only affects which is worn more. Technique, & Materials Gathered are the basic areas to trouble shoot in the beginning. If you haven't yet got a coal, let me know what the color of the dust is-good luck
primitiveskills 1 year ago
This could save a persons life so it is important that these skills are taught to others. I will report back when I get the fire started. 10/10
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5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
@5tonyvvvv At the time we wrngly assumed most folks knew a timber hitch, clove hitch, or could figure out a combo of hitches & knots that would work. Some folks split the bow and jam an overhand knot in the split and hold the working end of the cord in their hand. A useful approach w/ wretted basswood fiber cordage, willow and elm bark, and needle leaf tree rootlets. We had 10 min. to get as much of the skill in as possible, so we cut out the basic stuff & focused on form and technique
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@primitiveskills YEA ,well as a boyscoutwho actulually learned many knots ,and got badges,i can assure you i dont remember any of it,haaa,i would recomend everyone to learn ,study basic/extrem survival , in your suburban nighborhood,that way when you actually need it you will know what your doing,take advaNTAGE OF YOUR HOME AND COMFORT BY LEARNING FIRE,KNOTS,SOLAR,OFF GRID,living can be impossible to learn in real tim esituations,peace
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@primitiveskills I think a hand drill is easier..but finding the right materials is always a problem..u cant win!
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
Great job, I seem to take a lot longer getting dust to go. Thanks for the vid.
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BigTVideos 1 year ago
is there snow in the background?
nevildaking 1 year ago
@nevildaking Yes, the video was taken in mid March. Ironically, the colder the climate, the drier the air tends to be. This makes getting a coal easier and allows us in Maine to get away with hand drill firemaking (Typically a desert technology) from materials gathered off the landscape in temps well below freezing.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@primitiveskills ok.. i tried it today.. but id didnt work.. what do u use for the toprock?... THERE WAS SOME SMOKE AND BLACK COAL! but no fire =(
nevildaking 1 year ago
@nevildaking Wait! You got a coal!?! That's what you are supposed to get! Was it smoldering on its own? If so, you did it! Next step: gently place it in a tinder bundle. Where are you located? If you are in a similiar environment as Maine, than shredded Beech leaves formed in to a nest abot the size of a robins nest will suffice provided you shred the leaves fine enough. You can use cattail down as a coal extender/expander by placing a pinch of it in te center of your tinder bundle...
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@primitiveskills and as a replacement for oatmealonce you get that fire started,peace,cattali that is,typhus agustifolia
plantsofthegods 1 year ago
@nevildaking ....then, keeping your mouth about a ft away from the coal to avoid spit/moisture from putting it out, blow through the tinder bundle so smoke pours through your fingers. Don't worry about blowing the coal out, but keep sight of it as you pinch the sides of the tinderbundle to transfer the heat (like a soft shelled taco). Take your time in transferring your coal tothe bundle, it'll last for minutes. Remember, blow HARD enough to have the smoke flow through your fingers! goodluck
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@primitiveskills hm.. the coal wasnt smoldering on its owns=( but i thinkt i try it again after cristmas..
im locatet in switzerland and we have not so much trees.. the most ist this (dont know in english) wich u use for a cristmastree what is easier handdrill or bowdrill? and what thype of cordel do u use?
nevildaking 1 year ago
One thing that I find useful for beginners, and younger people who try this, They don't have the forearm strength to keep the spindle upright, or even have enough weight to be able to do this properly. If you move the arm holding the thunderhead, underneath your leg, it can then be locked into place, and if you need more pressure, you lean forward slightly, and if you need less pressure you lean back a little. Really handy. Been doing fire by friction for years now, and still do it this way.
cbusenbu 1 year ago
What would be the best woods to use in Eastern Australia?
corndog815 1 year ago
Eastern Australia is a bit of a commute from here. The approach for "asking" a material if it will make a good bow drill wood is the moisture/thumbnail test. First,wood, even in the desert, that is found on the ground, is going to contain more moisture than the dead, hanging wood. "Higher is dryer". Hold your selection against the cheek to feel for dampness/coolness. If it is warm/dry, see if you can put a dent in it w/ your thumb nail. If it isn't covered in resin, your good.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
I saw bigfoot
ReikaiDemon 1 year ago
sir. you are truly an expert in this area. the natives would be proud to see you doing this. thank you for the video my friend.
TheSurvivorjunkie 1 year ago
would birch and or hazle work?
max465t 1 year ago
try it when it with snow on the ground please
onthecuttingedge2005 1 year ago
@onthecuttingedge2005 Will do! Thank you for the video idea!
primitiveskills 1 year ago
fireborad what if your in the wood like south its not common here what can you use ?
mrfireclaw 1 year ago
@mrfireclaw The personality of the wood is often more important than the species. Any softer, non resinous wood that you can put a dent in with your thumb nail is worth experimenting on. Degraded, dead, standing oak will even work provided it's not too punky.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
Nice vid bro, good job!
jintonic07 1 year ago
hello I need some guidance- I live in New Hampshire so I find Eastern White Pine to be a good source of softwood. Everything seems to work well when I am stroking the bow, I get a lot of smoke and I go as fast as I can and push down on the handpiece hard. All I get is a fine, brown powder, it's not black- what can I do? Does a thicker spindle make sense?
tkx7 1 year ago
@tkx7 I find the problem with pine is the varying density of it's growth rings. It is difficult to get a coal, but doable. The coal will actually be produced from the lighter colored dust, not the dark brown most folks are familliar with w/ cedar. To compensate for the growth ring issue, the spindle must make contact with a completely flat fireboard. Keep you spindle on the narrow side and use perfect form. Lastle, gray dead barkless branches gathered from high south exposures work best.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@primitiveskills I have found that Eastern White Pine is the best to use. I have made friction fires with numerous woods and White Pine followed by Eastern Hemlock, Cedar, and Sycamore are the best in the southeast. That being said, sometimes you just get a bad section of wood. It can happen with any wood. Maybe tkx7 needs to try again with a different section of wood.
jmyates1977 1 year ago
this video is very helpful
TheAustin2468 1 year ago
what if the spindle is hard 2 turn?
a1rsoftp0wn3r 1 year ago
If your spindle is hard to turn, you may be starting off with too much downward pressure. W/ rythmic breathing, 20 strokes slow w/ perfect form, next 20 slowly increase downward pressure, back off just a bit once it binds to achieve max. EFFECTIVE dwnwrd pressure, then go for speed. If still binds, check spindle contact @ hndhold & fireboard for flat spots, also make sure holes aren't too deep in hndhold or fireboard.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
That was the easiest and most well explained demonstrationI have ever seen. Bravo man.
SuperStraightShot 1 year ago
very expert like
firescopex9 1 year ago
just a little advice. instead of keeping your hand infront of your leg try putting it under your leg and use your body weight on your hand
63powerlifter 1 year ago
@63powerlifter Excellent variation! We opt to shift our upper torso up over our hand so as not to lose the wrist/shin contact for stabilization. This way, we can apply downward body weight while "riding" the shin with the wrist and maintain stability. We will certainly present your method as an option in our classes, as I've tried it and it is usable. Thanks.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
Very good video
speedyninjafrazer 1 year ago
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Great video! very helpful, but I have a question. How many times(fires) can you use the same indent in the fireboard until another needs to be carved? I would assume each hole could be used until almost burned through. I guess my question is - can the hole be reused? thanks- Bill
mudhole9 1 year ago
Great video! very helpful, but I have a question. How many times(fires) can you use the same indent in the fireboard until another needs to be carved? I would assume each hole could be used until almost burned through. I guess my question is - can the hole be reused? thanks- Bill
mudhole9 1 year ago
@mudhole9 It depends on the density of the wood, diameter of the spindle, the persons technique/form, the weather, and how green or aged the wood is. Even bow length contributes to how many fires you can get out of each hole you urn in. Usually three to eight fires if average parameters for each hole burned in. Remember, it is also used as a drill, complete with modified spindles to accept stone and hardwood bits.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
I go to a wilderness camp and my friend burnt up my bow drill kit in her fire she made with her sparker. I was wondering what wood would be the best to use for the spindle, handle, fireboard, and bow? Also on the fireboard do you make a cut on the edge before you start drilling?
luvmidnight7 1 year ago
@luvmidnight7 Wow, what a good test of a friendship! Any wood you can put a thumb nail in should work for your spindle & fireboard as long as it doesn't have pitch. What region are you in? Fir, cedar, & basswood are my favorites for this bioregion( there are more). Burn the hole 1st, than cut your 1/8th pie notch. Any denser hard wood/stone will work for the hand hold, one of our instructors used a shot glass for a while and we even used a burnt steak as a hand hold on a staff training trip.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
what if you was lost and all you had handy at the moment was a boot string would that work just as good as anything else?
cline031 1 year ago
@cline031 It would have to be in a place w/o rootlets, innerbarks, yucca leaves, strong plant skins, or animals. In these environments a shirt hem is usually available. But, if all you have is a boot lace, just reverse wrap it and make a narrow spindle with a small bow and use a strap drill (see our strap drill video).
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@cline031 Take a strip of your t-shirt, twist it up and try it. I was actually surprised that it does work.
MrVoiceofreason123 1 year ago
@cline031 You can also use a strip of your t-shirt. I have tried and tested this for myself after hearing somebody mention it on another video.
MrVoiceofreason123 1 year ago
Nice
MultiDavis15 1 year ago
the most informative video i have seen. thanks for explaining the wood density that is where i have been going wrong.
a455olds 1 year ago
when i try this the string just slips around the spindle on the forward stroke but not back even though it is really tight.
kevmanev 1 year ago
@kevmanev It sounds like you might be rocking your upper body. Put your upper torso directly over the hand hold and spindle and lean with your body weight slowly as you saw. The wrist holding your handhold should be locked tight against your shin. As you slowly lean, the string may slip. That's okay, just back off the downward pressure just enough to keep the string from slipping. This is what we refer to as max. EFFECTIVE downward pressure, now increase speed. Good luck.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
would shoe lace work for the string?
ichewtoast111 1 year ago
@ichewtoast111 If it was one of those bomb proof laces that guarantees it will last longer than the shoe, or 550 (parachute) cord. It is another of many good reasons to replae your boot laces with 550 cord.
primitiveskills 1 year ago
@ichewtoast111 It could but you want to make sure the drill is smooth so it won't abrade what is probably a very weakened and worn cord. Also, look up the egyptian bowdrill method. It allows the use of weaker damaged cords though is not as smooth to use in my opinion. Good luck mate.
MrVoiceofreason123 1 year ago
Great video Nick. Thanks!
TangoTracker223 1 year ago
Great instruction!
blackandtandog 2 years ago
Well done!
coreyfmiller 2 years ago
awesome video
Mitch82589 2 years ago
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Mitch82589 2 years ago
wow you got that like instantly
Mrmusicman2000 2 years ago
Great instruction. I spent a day at the MPSS a couple summers ago and those guys are top notch.
JRNY1605 2 years ago
hello am i suppposed to use a coal if so where do i put it
underneath the board where the dust is collected
i mean directly underneath the board where the hole is
explain to me what to do i would like a responces anyone
jessesefcik 2 years ago
how is it not obvious?
foad1337 2 years ago
@jessesefcik the coal comes from the dust, you collect on a leaf or bark underneath your board.
SungTzu 2 years ago
Great description. Thanks.
llumys 2 years ago
Excellent detailed demonstration thank you!
iSurvivalSkills 2 years ago
nice video
HelmerandRawlins 2 years ago
yeah, I think he meant actually showing it...instead of showing a slideshow about aborigines making fire.
I agree mrjagill. Would be an excellent object lesson on friction for a freshman or high school physics class.
elpidi0526 2 years ago
well eather you adapt or well.... your fucked
chrisredfield3636 2 years ago
Great video. I still haven't made a fire. I get plenty of powder and lots of smoke but never an ember. I have one spindle of maple and works well on cedar and basswood, I have an elderberry spindle and it works well on bass wood and poplar, both produce powder and smoke but no coals.
EatTheWeeds 2 years ago
@EatTheWeeds i think your problem is that you're using a very hard wood for the spindle when you actually want 2 softwoods for both your baseboard and your spindle preferrably the same type
HoboBob2 2 years ago
They should teach this in schools - there is a lot of science here, it would capture students interest, and add some real excitement to the outdoor component of a Phys. Ed. program!
mrjagill 2 years ago 33
Mate, that's a top idea you have there! I'm in total agreement.
bogesk 2 years ago
@mrjagill ikr... but some kids would ruin it though cuz they might act like dumb asses and start a fire that gets big... and bad...
mikcand 1 year ago
@mrjagill im pretty sure now a days they teach how to shop at the mall and how to set up affiliate marketing online,survival skills border on illegal,and the food that the kids eat are called noxious weeds and may be considered illegal in all of usa,yes,true,i can not even sell the food shown in other vids children eating on google,it is againdt google terms of use to sell salvia/mint/noxious weeds/seeds ect,this channel has exelent survivalk skills,you should carry a fire kit spark starterpeace
plantsofthegods 1 year ago
@mrjagill they do in british columbia ;)
JimmyD17 8 months ago
the oil on your hands makes it harder, so don't touch your drill tip and fire socket. other than that, good job.
CrAkdICE 2 years ago
While I agree your most probably right about string positioning, I've found no difference in success or string wear & maybe it is due to my left handedness just have it come a certain comfortable way for me & end opposite of correct.
Tossdart 2 years ago
nice
toto5668 2 years ago
Expertly explained and demonstrated
wildshow 2 years ago 14
Well done, really enjoyed that. You've certainly explained it more thoroughly than my video.
NaturalBushcraft 2 years ago
respect. this is the best isntructional vid for bow-drill firemaking i've seen
zatoichi37 2 years ago 3
i like the part when you said not to freak out once you got a coal...that was probably where i went wrong the most haha...
im pprobably spoiled since i'm used to sage in Utah...
by the way, more and more teens are learning to do this in wilderness programs like the one i went to. although i didnt understand why people thought it was a good idea to put pyros in a wilderness group where we were forced to learn how to make fire from scratch...
mtr56 2 years ago
i like sage
bassforlife4 2 years ago
Nicely done until the very end, not a good idea to raise the tinder bed to a vertical position, you could easily have lost your coal into your lap. Would be safer to keep the bed horizontal while you blow on it. In a sub zero survival situation this could mean the difference between life or death.
aerospaceace10 2 years ago
duz anyone know good materials for this in RI or CT
12345timm 2 years ago
The "coal" that I get is just powder. It doesn't hold a shape like yours. Once in my tinder bundle, I gently blow on it and it blows away because it is a powder. I'm sure I just kneed to turn it more, is this correct? Awsome video, very informative-thanks!
Twister051 2 years ago
twister all you have to do is be patient and let the coal grow before you move it. when you make a tender bundle, put dried shredded inner bark in the middle of tender bundle. let it just sit in your nest for a moment and when you blow pinch the nest and fold it around your coal and blow through the nest first. this will keep your coal from blowing away. and it will feed the oxygen the coal needs. when you blow dont blow hard, just long gentle and directed. after the tender catches then rip it.
shannonnunn 2 years ago
Can someone please thank Nick for me? This was one of the videos that really inspired me to learn this skill.
I posted a five part video series with what I learned in making the bow drill fire.
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NickSpadaro 2 years ago
You're welcome
NickSpadaro 2 years ago
if its shiny or glossy that means that your fire board hole has reached the same grain as your spindle. when this occurs it doesnt allow a great amount of friction. to avoid this bowdrill at a slight angle or to put chapsicc on the top of the spindle to reduce friction in the top between the spindle and soccet rocc. i attended wilderness survival school for 2 months. SUWS of The Carolinas
GridlxCC6 3 years ago
I have a question . when I an spinning the spindle my fire bouard just looks shiny where i have been spinning. what is the problem?
supidchild 3 years ago
it means your wood has not seasoned enough. you need a piece that is a bit drier. also if you have to use that wood, get ur knife and cut notchesin ur spindle and in the hole of your base board. also a bit of dirt in the hole works to grind away the smooth surface and works to add a bit more friction at the begining to add up more coal composite. if ur spindle whistles really loud its a sure sign that moisture in your wood will cause the glassy smooth surface. just write 4 questions
shannonnunn 2 years ago
Wow, great video, thanks very much.
titnut4 3 years ago
Any materials you can recommend native to central texas?
Yakshinian 3 years ago
yucca wood works the best. it starts up better than matches. the stalks that grow out of the top of yuccas. make sure the stalk is grey on the outside but not so old they crumble under the pressure of the spindle. any wood that is not a hard wood works good as long as it is seasoned properly. the skill of finding good seasoned wood takes alot of practice but it is a skill that will be well worth it if you find yourself in a survival situation.
shannonnunn 2 years ago
how do i get a job like this? you are one lucky dude
spb884 3 years ago 2
good im going to try this spring
chrissept21 3 years ago
Friction fire starting is awesome. And I can impress my friends lol.
You should sell DVDs that have your how-to lessons on them...I don't live close enough to Maine to go to any of them.
Kain781 3 years ago
Wonderful demonstration. Well planned, and nice to have a steady camera shot. You know your stuff! I've been working with all different sorts of fire starting. The bow drill is certainly the best one in my opinion. Great job! Oh...it's also nice to see some north woods! I'm in the central part of the country now, but was born and raised in the far north, with Chickadees (like yours in the background), snow, Cedar (I'd kill for a nice Cedar Tree in my back yard again) and fresh, pure air!
Yooper14 3 years ago
i live in canada so i get all that stuff to its great
chrissept21 3 years ago
Not when you live in prince george. You gotta go out of town for anything close to "fresh" air
kingboru121 2 years ago
Thanks for your intrest Gundog5 this video is in the works and will most likely be called something like "Friction Fire Series: Advanced Hand and Bowdrill techniques"
primitiveskills 3 years ago
Nicely done! What I'd also like to see in a vid is the finding of material showing some prep time and effort rather than just seeing a ready-made bow set with instant success.
Maybe include common failure situations (ie. wrong wood types, something breaks, pressure too hard/soft, drill too fast/slow, dust not black enough, spindle springs out too often, no dust in notch, it squeaks too loud, vibration, etc...) and explain why before showing success. Might be more realistic for the average Joe.
gundog5 3 years ago 2
awesome
kiflarrgh 3 years ago
Whats that, dress pants in the bush? Haha, just messin with you, good video.
twilightkinko 3 years ago 2
nice job son,well put across,plain ,simple & informative,there are many ways to make fire but the bow drill is a sign of a true woodsman.5 stars
audiofreeq 4 years ago
Nick-This is great! Excellent!
lhawk51 4 years ago
We teach primitive skills, wilderness survival, modern survival, bushcraft, native awareness, wildlife tracking, earth living, shelter building, water collection & disinfection, friction fire making, bow making, flintknapping, wild edibles, hide tanning, scout skills, primitive hunting, earth philosophy, drum making, survival trapping, and more.
primitiveskills 4 years ago
Best bow drill tutorial I've seen on the net. Does your school teach other skills too?
GardenMonk 4 years ago
Not only do they do fire, I signed up for the native awareness class and it was amazing. I am definetely going back for the native awareness 2 class and some of the tracking classes and wild edible and medicinal plant classes. The staff really know their stuff and are accessible.
rabidmonkeygirl 3 years ago
Nick, you rock. That was an awesome video. You did a fantastic job.
savoryoursweetness 4 years ago 2
Great job Nick!
primitiveskills 4 years ago
Nice job thanks for the vid.
lusl1094 4 years ago