If we talk about the Heavenly Father and the Father Spirit, we are not in the flesh, but if we talk about the Heavenly Mother and the Mother Spirit...then we are in the flesh. Let's try to explain it another way. The Divines roles toward creation. The Father is the source of all authority. The son is the creator/savior who implements the Divine will, The Holy Spirit is the protector, keeper, nurturer of the children of God. Three Roles: Father, Mother and Older Brother...
@christoferL . You are stating as a fact in itself your opinion about the subject we are debating. To analize this subject properly we need to go to the Aramaic Scriptures (both New and Old Testaments) and the Patristic writing, particularly those in Aramaic, which was the language spoken by Jesus while imparting his doctrine and worldview to his disciples. I am in that process. It will take some time to master the language, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit we'll get there. JOIN US!
@zekigpr There were no Aramiac New Testament writings (at least none that survived) meaning you are dealing with yet another 'translation'... if you've got references to share Ill check them out - but I think we need to understand the original languages the scriptures were written in are important.
@christoferL but to be clear... there are no recorded female angels. In all the Bible - we see that before creation (on earth) there were no physical bodies like we have today... and thus no need to procreate biologically - thus - no mothers...
@christoferL We obviously differ on the subject of New Testament Primacy between the Aramaic version and the Greek version. There are arguments that can be raised in favor of one or the other. After much study and prayer my understanding on this subject is that the Revelation of God was preserved in its original essence in the Aramaic version, in both the New and Old Testament, specially with regard to the harmony between them. For more details we may visit my channel...
@YAHsHolyMinistry But that doesn't make God - who is beyond the classification of gender - a female - particularly since He always refers to Himself as a He.
Excellent point, I think it's also important to point out that the greeks used the word pnuema when referring to the holy spirit and it's a neuter or neutral gender word which I think is absolutely correct. Also if anyone still believes in the RUACH meaning female holy spirit than I implore to apply that definition to everywhere else in the OT where RUACH is used and you should see very wuickly why the grammar argument for the female Holy Spirit is wrong.
YHWH Elohym has always been perfect, neither male nor female, yet both. Daddy made us all, both male and female in His image. Yet this is amazing, that He made the family hierarchy of love relationship in the image of His attributes and facets, Father Elohym, Holy Spirit (Ruach ha Kadesh), then His Word, Torah, the Teaching of the Father through His Spirit, which brings forth life, creation, and Messiah (the Living Torah made flesh or in human form and dwelt among us) yeshuah.
Looking around at who's friends with who, who supports who etc. I see a guy god guns guts glory 4g and yokeup and others, they all have this gun thing, the video w/ 4g showing his kids that guns are for " killing animals and PEOPLE" his little kid loading amo etc. Are these the kind of friends you hang w/ on utube??? Just wondering. This is the kind of utube Christianity that seems to be way over the edge....
@christoferL No sir, NEVER did. I'm just trying to see who to stay subed to and who not to. You seem to be one of the more level headed people out there on utube. One of the few worth seeing what you have to say and one of the few whos opinion worth paying attention to. Thats all.
@TheEdge012 There are numerous individuals sharing this 'new revelation' - which they try to root to the 'old knowledge' - but this video is a response to the video linked in the side bar... which was sent to me - but apparently my video wasn't accepted as a response.
Excellent as always!! Are you just feeling surrounded by all of the false doctrines spreading like wild fire by people using the Lord's name in vain, FALLING Away from the Truth and taking down everyone who will listen to their lies?? I Am. It has ONE ROOT, the Lie... I am going to post my findings in a few days. It will astound people. God Bless You
In one garden, the bride took unlawfully from one tree, offering of the fruit of her action to the bridegroom, causing death to come to all men. Much later, outside another garden, the Bridegroom put back up on another tree in a righteous act that which had been taken, offering to His bride the crushed fruit of His act, causing "whosoever will" to come to life.
One bride taken from Adam's side; and a spear piercing Messiah, producing blood & water, His death birthing His bride.
Well spoken. That video maker left a comment on a video of mine but there is much more to understand when we see that properly used, in Hebrew it is still masculine. Add that to the fact that Christ refered to the Holy Spirit as "He" not "She" and never once referred to Him as our heavenly mother or the queen of heaven. Thank you, Chris.
You people are always purposely confusing things. Very annoying. Why can't it ever be straight foreward for once? It's always interpretations of assumptions based on random parts of the bible. Was it really too much to ask of the early scribes to just create a factual account instead of the mess we have to deal with now? It's all to trick people into becoming a scared puppet for the establishment if you ask me. But that's the life-blood of every religion I guess..
The Holy Spirit makes alot more sense especially if you think about Father Son and Holy Ghost...If it's three guys, then that opens up a can of worms moreso that a Mom a Dad and a Son...You know if YHWH wants people to be straight then maybe He ought to be straight too?
@smartwarlord You are assuming that I am gay, I'm not, I'm straight, married 14 years to the same woman. However, we were supposedly made in the image of god, both male and female, there fore it would make more sense to me to believe that the Divine does have a gender. that the Father and the Holy Spirit are Male and female respectively.
Uhm no, the image of God is supposed to be seen in us. the fact that we are made in His/Her/Their likeness would be pointless if that Image was invisible or ethereal. It is easy to shove everything into the realm of spirit because then we could make up the divine to fit into our nice little boxes and worship a god(dess) that is just as mean and spiteful as we are. We were made in the image of the divine so that we could see that we all have a common creator and love one another.
I am saying they are genderless. Why do you refer to the Most High as "the Divine" are you a Polytheist?
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. - Matthew 5:22
You are not my brother, and I mean fool as in Psalm 14:1, not an insult on intelligence
@smartwarlord I'm guessing that you never read the parable of the good samaritan...and the verses before that, but to answer you, Psalm 14: 1 applies to those who do not believe in Any kind of Deity..But yes I am a Poly/Heno-theist in terms of my theology, where I do believe in the Gods (Plural). I believe that YahWeh may exist but I choose not to worship him for the fact he is pretty much a Jerk, going by the actions and behavior of his followers.
@smartwarlord When ever someone tells me they've "read god's word extensively" I have grave doubts about that..anyway, A plain and simple reading of Psalm 41:1 gives a clear indication that David was speaking about those who say "THERE IS NO GOD". You are adding your own interpretation to it clearly out of context. and How is it blashpemy to state that YHWH may or may not exist? My point was that even if he did, Judging clearly by the reading of scripture and the actions of his worshippers (CON)
I am a scholar and future Theologian. I have read all the books in the present canon and all the other books we have. I have read the Church Fathers, Josephus, etc.
David was writing that 3,000 years before Atheism came into existence.
Not to mention, the Hebrew is indicating they do not believe in the TRUE God. It has nothing to do with atheism.
I am giving you the Hebrew-Jewish "interpretation" since it was first authored.
@smartwarlord And I spent three years in bible school also reading the same books...and as long as there have been religious people there have always been those who doubted the existance of a Divine or Supernatural being, it's a part of human development and growth. Never mind the fact that THere are scriptures where YHWH is speaking in the Plural "WE" "Let us Make man in our image and in OUR likeness" which context tells us that he was NOT speaking to angels.
@smartwarlord That by the reading of Your scriptures and by the actions of you and the rest of his followers, I came to the conclusion that he is not a deity that I personally would not want to interact with due to the fact that he is a petty, vindictive, genocidal, tyrant. Seeing the clear and obvious behavior of the followers of the fundie christian sect, I have no interest in worshiping such a cruel and heartless deity. NOW you may scream "blasphemy"
@smartwarlord Please don't resort to the "XYZ were not real christians" Lie, it's insulting to someone who spent 14 years as a fundie christian who was thankfully delivered from that toxic brand of religion.
@smartwarlord Now when have I insulted you during this conversation? I've conducted myself quite well actually hand have not said one negative word about you personally or you mom, dad, sis, family, dog, what have you. I have done nothing but attack the argument. I guess Your theology school doesn't teach you about tact...
@smartwarlord Oh please, You are behaving like a poor excuse for a theologian if you cant handle criticism of your ideas. This is nothing compared to the knock down drag-out debates I went through in Bible School. You are getting off way too easy from me. I've been nothing but nice.
? You have blasphemed YHWH, I don't care about my "ideas" I would not be insulted if someone disagreed with me as already out of the population of the planet (6.7 billion), 6.5 billion of those people HATE anything I say.
I will not debate with a close-minded blaspheming Polytheist heathen.
@smartwarlord I see so pointing out YHWH's behavior in the scriptures is considered "Blasphemy" in your mind? First of all, don't flatter yourself in assuming that you are superior to a majority of the population considering that nearly 25% of the population of this planet consider themselves "Christian" of some variety or another. Second, I seriously doubt that even those outside of the faith would "Hate" everything you say. Stop playing the martyr card and grow a pair.
@dumoktheartist You are right. As on earth also in heaven. The Holy Father YAHWEH(male)and the HOLY MOTHER(female)the RUACH HAKODESH and their Holy SON YASHUA.
Because of wrong translations their are many misunderstandings nowadays. It is so sad, that people cannot or will not see, that the Holy Spirit is the Mother of creation and She will comfort us like a mother can !
Please, do not hurt HER anylonger! RESPECT HER for who She really is!
Because God created both men and women in His image and according to His likeness, it makes since that He possesses some of the characteristics that are displayed in both men and women. In scripture, He is described in primarily masculine terms, but He is neither male nor female. He loves and relates to both men and women as His children.
I agree that the Holy Spirit does not have gender, but out of curiosity, when you use a pronoun for the Holy Spirit, do you use "he," "she" or "it" and why?
@ancienthebreworg "She" because that is what the Hebrew Bible says. Do you use she? why or why not? why do you think the Holy Spirit is "genderless"? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person, member of the Trinity? I don't understand how a person can be genderless. Gender is more than just genitals. God the Father and Son both are male. Certain behavioral & psychological etc traits are associated with gender-roles. But the HOLY SPIRIT? mn'chem Plenty of reasons to call HOLY SPIRIT, SHE.
@ancienthebreworg I'm glad you said that. A few days ago a man pretending to be both a Jew and a pastor did a video where he spouts out lots of unfamiliar to the typical ear parts of speech & syntax terms all totally unrelated to grammatical gender. And ends his video saying the Ruach Ha Kodesh is masculine even in Hebrew. Now what motivates a person to do such a thing? Pretend hes Jewish and then lie more on top of it? Why lie about that?
@ancienthebreworg Do you think the HOLY SPIRIT is gender neutral in HER behavior or role? "GOD is Spirit", as the Samaritan woman was told. Does that mean God the Father and Son are also "genderless"? Scripture is pretty clear about that, the terms Father and Son basically give it away - male. Calling the HOLY SPIRIT SHE is very hard on western ears though HER 'gender' role is pretty apparent in Scripture. what do you think?
If we talk about the Heavenly Father and the Father Spirit, we are not in the flesh, but if we talk about the Heavenly Mother and the Mother Spirit...then we are in the flesh. Let's try to explain it another way. The Divines roles toward creation. The Father is the source of all authority. The son is the creator/savior who implements the Divine will, The Holy Spirit is the protector, keeper, nurturer of the children of God. Three Roles: Father, Mother and Older Brother...
zekigpr 1 month ago
@zekigpr "mother's" only exist in the flesh.
christoferL 1 month ago
@christoferL . You are stating as a fact in itself your opinion about the subject we are debating. To analize this subject properly we need to go to the Aramaic Scriptures (both New and Old Testaments) and the Patristic writing, particularly those in Aramaic, which was the language spoken by Jesus while imparting his doctrine and worldview to his disciples. I am in that process. It will take some time to master the language, but with the guidance of the Holy Spirit we'll get there. JOIN US!
zekigpr 1 month ago
@zekigpr There were no Aramiac New Testament writings (at least none that survived) meaning you are dealing with yet another 'translation'... if you've got references to share Ill check them out - but I think we need to understand the original languages the scriptures were written in are important.
christoferL 1 month ago
@christoferL but to be clear... there are no recorded female angels. In all the Bible - we see that before creation (on earth) there were no physical bodies like we have today... and thus no need to procreate biologically - thus - no mothers...
christoferL 1 month ago
@christoferL We obviously differ on the subject of New Testament Primacy between the Aramaic version and the Greek version. There are arguments that can be raised in favor of one or the other. After much study and prayer my understanding on this subject is that the Revelation of God was preserved in its original essence in the Aramaic version, in both the New and Old Testament, specially with regard to the harmony between them. For more details we may visit my channel...
zekigpr 1 month ago
If you look at RUACH ha KODESH the "Word/Name" is feminine in Hebrew.
YAHsHolyMinistry 1 year ago
@YAHsHolyMinistry But that doesn't make God - who is beyond the classification of gender - a female - particularly since He always refers to Himself as a He.
christoferL 1 year ago
Excellent point, I think it's also important to point out that the greeks used the word pnuema when referring to the holy spirit and it's a neuter or neutral gender word which I think is absolutely correct. Also if anyone still believes in the RUACH meaning female holy spirit than I implore to apply that definition to everywhere else in the OT where RUACH is used and you should see very wuickly why the grammar argument for the female Holy Spirit is wrong.
cubed07 1 year ago
@purplepixelations I think its deeper than that though... did the Jews (the true orthodox Jews) ever subscribe to a goddess?
christoferL 1 year ago
YHWH Elohym has always been perfect, neither male nor female, yet both. Daddy made us all, both male and female in His image. Yet this is amazing, that He made the family hierarchy of love relationship in the image of His attributes and facets, Father Elohym, Holy Spirit (Ruach ha Kadesh), then His Word, Torah, the Teaching of the Father through His Spirit, which brings forth life, creation, and Messiah (the Living Torah made flesh or in human form and dwelt among us) yeshuah.
KnowingHimNotAbout 1 year ago
Looking around at who's friends with who, who supports who etc. I see a guy god guns guts glory 4g and yokeup and others, they all have this gun thing, the video w/ 4g showing his kids that guns are for " killing animals and PEOPLE" his little kid loading amo etc. Are these the kind of friends you hang w/ on utube??? Just wondering. This is the kind of utube Christianity that seems to be way over the edge....
almostcapecod 1 year ago
@almostcapecod Do u see me promoting gun use?
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL No sir, NEVER did. I'm just trying to see who to stay subed to and who not to. You seem to be one of the more level headed people out there on utube. One of the few worth seeing what you have to say and one of the few whos opinion worth paying attention to. Thats all.
almostcapecod 1 year ago
@almostcapecod my subscriptions don't necessarily reflect my views.
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL I go by your vids/comments not your subs, I sub to many but only to see other opinions/views. I would guess you then do the same.
almostcapecod 1 year ago
@almostcapecod not knowing exactly what you would be referring to... I assure you that we are all unique in the Lord.
christoferL 1 year ago
This false teaching has been held onto by so many different people. It is so sad to see people twisting the truth into error.
JeromeStein4U 1 year ago
What is this in response to...out of curiosity?
TheEdge012 1 year ago
@TheEdge012 There are numerous individuals sharing this 'new revelation' - which they try to root to the 'old knowledge' - but this video is a response to the video linked in the side bar... which was sent to me - but apparently my video wasn't accepted as a response.
christoferL 1 year ago
1:36 - that's the point I was going to offer - one God - always referred to as He. :P
Good video man
lafingman0 1 year ago
Excellent as always!! Are you just feeling surrounded by all of the false doctrines spreading like wild fire by people using the Lord's name in vain, FALLING Away from the Truth and taking down everyone who will listen to their lies?? I Am. It has ONE ROOT, the Lie... I am going to post my findings in a few days. It will astound people. God Bless You
hottamale02 1 year ago
In one garden, the bride took unlawfully from one tree, offering of the fruit of her action to the bridegroom, causing death to come to all men. Much later, outside another garden, the Bridegroom put back up on another tree in a righteous act that which had been taken, offering to His bride the crushed fruit of His act, causing "whosoever will" to come to life.
One bride taken from Adam's side; and a spear piercing Messiah, producing blood & water, His death birthing His bride.
mtcanz 1 year ago
Part II
The woman in God's life is His church -- His bride.
mtcanz 1 year ago
Seems that this, Holy Spirit is a woman, is getting more and more attention, but whenever I see this more false teaching comes out.
Thanks for posting, God bless
hetgow 1 year ago
@hetgow I'd love to hear your take on this issue bro
christoferL 1 year ago
Well spoken. That video maker left a comment on a video of mine but there is much more to understand when we see that properly used, in Hebrew it is still masculine. Add that to the fact that Christ refered to the Holy Spirit as "He" not "She" and never once referred to Him as our heavenly mother or the queen of heaven. Thank you, Chris.
VioletKitty411 1 year ago
You people are always purposely confusing things. Very annoying. Why can't it ever be straight foreward for once? It's always interpretations of assumptions based on random parts of the bible. Was it really too much to ask of the early scribes to just create a factual account instead of the mess we have to deal with now? It's all to trick people into becoming a scared puppet for the establishment if you ask me. But that's the life-blood of every religion I guess..
SmoothInstigator 1 year ago
The Holy Spirit makes alot more sense especially if you think about Father Son and Holy Ghost...If it's three guys, then that opens up a can of worms moreso that a Mom a Dad and a Son...You know if YHWH wants people to be straight then maybe He ought to be straight too?
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
Spirit can not have gender.
Neither the Father nor Holy Spirit have flesh.
Therefore, genderless+male(Yeshua)+genderless
Therefore, be straight.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord You are assuming that I am gay, I'm not, I'm straight, married 14 years to the same woman. However, we were supposedly made in the image of god, both male and female, there fore it would make more sense to me to believe that the Divine does have a gender. that the Father and the Holy Spirit are Male and female respectively.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
I made no assumptions, you made the assumption sir.
The Image of God is not a physical image since God is unseen/invisible. Therefore you completely do not understand what the Imagu deus is !
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord
Uhm no, the image of God is supposed to be seen in us. the fact that we are made in His/Her/Their likeness would be pointless if that Image was invisible or ethereal. It is easy to shove everything into the realm of spirit because then we could make up the divine to fit into our nice little boxes and worship a god(dess) that is just as mean and spiteful as we are. We were made in the image of the divine so that we could see that we all have a common creator and love one another.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
The image is not physical!!!!! That would be a graven image you fool!
The Image is our intelligence, logical thinking, our ability to reason, etc.
Our extra capacity if you will.
God is in a box if you call Him anything other than the masculine.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
You forgot that Jesus himself said that if you call any man a fool you are in danger of hell.
Anyway, the point is You are the one putting the Divine in a box by limiting him/her/them to the male gender.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
I am saying they are genderless. Why do you refer to the Most High as "the Divine" are you a Polytheist?
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. - Matthew 5:22
You are not my brother, and I mean fool as in Psalm 14:1, not an insult on intelligence
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord I'm guessing that you never read the parable of the good samaritan...and the verses before that, but to answer you, Psalm 14: 1 applies to those who do not believe in Any kind of Deity..But yes I am a Poly/Heno-theist in terms of my theology, where I do believe in the Gods (Plural). I believe that YahWeh may exist but I choose not to worship him for the fact he is pretty much a Jerk, going by the actions and behavior of his followers.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
I've read all of God's Word extensively.
Psalm 14:1 is about the disbelief in the knowledge of the TRUE AND LIVING GOD!
It is a verse for Pagans, Polytheists, Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, Muslims, etc. It is for ALL!
You believe "Yahweh may exist"
BLASPHEMY!
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord When ever someone tells me they've "read god's word extensively" I have grave doubts about that..anyway, A plain and simple reading of Psalm 41:1 gives a clear indication that David was speaking about those who say "THERE IS NO GOD". You are adding your own interpretation to it clearly out of context. and How is it blashpemy to state that YHWH may or may not exist? My point was that even if he did, Judging clearly by the reading of scripture and the actions of his worshippers (CON)
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
I am a scholar and future Theologian. I have read all the books in the present canon and all the other books we have. I have read the Church Fathers, Josephus, etc.
David was writing that 3,000 years before Atheism came into existence.
Not to mention, the Hebrew is indicating they do not believe in the TRUE God. It has nothing to do with atheism.
I am giving you the Hebrew-Jewish "interpretation" since it was first authored.
Also, there is only One God.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord And I spent three years in bible school also reading the same books...and as long as there have been religious people there have always been those who doubted the existance of a Divine or Supernatural being, it's a part of human development and growth. Never mind the fact that THere are scriptures where YHWH is speaking in the Plural "WE" "Let us Make man in our image and in OUR likeness" which context tells us that he was NOT speaking to angels.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
Obviously, He was speaking in the High Council of the Lord. (Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Therefore, the Plural was used.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord That by the reading of Your scriptures and by the actions of you and the rest of his followers, I came to the conclusion that he is not a deity that I personally would not want to interact with due to the fact that he is a petty, vindictive, genocidal, tyrant. Seeing the clear and obvious behavior of the followers of the fundie christian sect, I have no interest in worshiping such a cruel and heartless deity. NOW you may scream "blasphemy"
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
He is none of the above. And the sect you mention is a problem and is very Anti-Christian, masquerading as "Christian".
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Please don't resort to the "XYZ were not real christians" Lie, it's insulting to someone who spent 14 years as a fundie christian who was thankfully delivered from that toxic brand of religion.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
I'm just saying they are ignorant and insulting like you.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Now when have I insulted you during this conversation? I've conducted myself quite well actually hand have not said one negative word about you personally or you mom, dad, sis, family, dog, what have you. I have done nothing but attack the argument. I guess Your theology school doesn't teach you about tact...
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
You have insulted me with your blasphemy.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord Oh please, You are behaving like a poor excuse for a theologian if you cant handle criticism of your ideas. This is nothing compared to the knock down drag-out debates I went through in Bible School. You are getting off way too easy from me. I've been nothing but nice.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
? You have blasphemed YHWH, I don't care about my "ideas" I would not be insulted if someone disagreed with me as already out of the population of the planet (6.7 billion), 6.5 billion of those people HATE anything I say.
I will not debate with a close-minded blaspheming Polytheist heathen.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@smartwarlord I see so pointing out YHWH's behavior in the scriptures is considered "Blasphemy" in your mind? First of all, don't flatter yourself in assuming that you are superior to a majority of the population considering that nearly 25% of the population of this planet consider themselves "Christian" of some variety or another. Second, I seriously doubt that even those outside of the faith would "Hate" everything you say. Stop playing the martyr card and grow a pair.
dumoktheartist 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist
The disbelief in YHWH is blasphemy.
Also I am not a member of Christianity. Therefore, even if 33-35% of the population claims to be Christian, that's irrelevant.
And yes, 99% hate what I say. The Truth is always hated and persecuted.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@dumoktheartist You are right. As on earth also in heaven. The Holy Father YAHWEH(male)and the HOLY MOTHER(female)the RUACH HAKODESH and their Holy SON YASHUA.
Because of wrong translations their are many misunderstandings nowadays. It is so sad, that people cannot or will not see, that the Holy Spirit is the Mother of creation and She will comfort us like a mother can !
Please, do not hurt HER anylonger! RESPECT HER for who She really is!
AVIVAH4EVER 9 months ago
Because God created both men and women in His image and according to His likeness, it makes since that He possesses some of the characteristics that are displayed in both men and women. In scripture, He is described in primarily masculine terms, but He is neither male nor female. He loves and relates to both men and women as His children.
MetalcoreChristian77 1 year ago
I agree that the Holy Spirit does not have gender, but out of curiosity, when you use a pronoun for the Holy Spirit, do you use "he," "she" or "it" and why?
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one, I would say He purely out of respect.
smartwarlord 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg "She" because that is what the Hebrew Bible says. Do you use she? why or why not? why do you think the Holy Spirit is "genderless"? Do you believe the Holy Spirit is a Divine Person, member of the Trinity? I don't understand how a person can be genderless. Gender is more than just genitals. God the Father and Son both are male. Certain behavioral & psychological etc traits are associated with gender-roles. But the HOLY SPIRIT? mn'chem Plenty of reasons to call HOLY SPIRIT, SHE.
jarofclay9 1 year ago
@jarofclay9 Actually, I use "she" as well for the same reason, the Hebrew identifies the רוח (ruach/wind/spirit) as feminine.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg I'm glad you said that. A few days ago a man pretending to be both a Jew and a pastor did a video where he spouts out lots of unfamiliar to the typical ear parts of speech & syntax terms all totally unrelated to grammatical gender. And ends his video saying the Ruach Ha Kodesh is masculine even in Hebrew. Now what motivates a person to do such a thing? Pretend hes Jewish and then lie more on top of it? Why lie about that?
jarofclay9 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg Do you think the HOLY SPIRIT is gender neutral in HER behavior or role? "GOD is Spirit", as the Samaritan woman was told. Does that mean God the Father and Son are also "genderless"? Scripture is pretty clear about that, the terms Father and Son basically give it away - male. Calling the HOLY SPIRIT SHE is very hard on western ears though HER 'gender' role is pretty apparent in Scripture. what do you think?
jarofclay9 1 year ago
@jarofclay9 There are basically four types of words that are feminine...
1. Abstracts such as torah and faith.
2. Things that come in pairs such as eyes and hands.
3. Feminine by nature such as girl and heifer
4. Feminine in attribute such as soul and spirit.
In the case of the word ruach, I believe it is because of its attributes.
ancienthebreworg 1 year ago
@ancienthebreworg - beautiful
jarofclay9 1 year ago