Most of the flowery samurai sword styles developed after the warring states era (and therefore medieval-style wars) were over, so I wonder how much of what current schools teach is actually like what warring samurai would have done.
For everybody who thinks that a katana could easily slice through an M1 Abrams tank ;-) I want to suggest a simple experiment: buy a cheap machete (2mm thick x 45mm wide = 90mm2 of carbon steel) and cut it with your katana. And post your video of performing that sword feat. Just for reference: Hungarian sabre, Pattern 1904: 6,5mm x 32mm at forte, Pattern 1861: 5,5mm x 30mm. Also please check the specification of an average rapier.
Try that again with a Bokken, again with real weapons. It's a bigger, heavier weapon, perhaps not by much. But the end result would have to be a real Katana could slice though that tiny raiper weapon of yours, and have a choice; chop off a head/limb/body slice or even just pierce the heart with the tip. A heavier stabbing+slicing weapon vs a slimmer, lighter weapon meant for mostly stabbing... no real contest here.
@Snowman20 Actually they tried this on the show 'mythbusters' on their Special program on film effects and they found that a katana could not generally 'cut' or 'slice' through other swords, and yes amongst the different swords they tested the rapier was one of them. It's already been proved to be movie Hokum. Its all to do with where the point of impact is: If its on the 'forte' (where most swordsmen block or parry) then no chance! If its on the foible it can 'break'. But not cut or slice.
If somebody is such an "expert" that he isn't able to recognize the white tip of a shinai and confuses it with a bokken, then I would suggest to restrain himself from commenting on other people fencing qualification, especially the qualification of the kendoist.
@clifordsr i disagree. the katana was the best blade ever made. its diple physics that a tiny stick would be cut in half with a lawn mower blade, so the same applies to swords. regardless of whether it can absorb the shock, a good katana is sharp enough to produce almost no shock. you obviously have never handled a katana. the rapier IS fast, however. and against any other sword, no it wouldnt break. thats because other swords are made differently and have different edges than katanas.
@Sirceaser999 First off, a Samurai sword is called a katana. These swords are designed to not come in contact with another sword, because they were for killing generally unarmed opponents of a lesser skill level. They are also MUCH weaker on the flat of the blade.... (continued in second post)
@cliffordsr dude, a samurai sword would cut clean through another sword of any iron make... a thin tiny rapier would be but a blade of grass in the way of the scythe -like Katana
@hybo0 As I already stated, the fencer's sword is STEEL, not iron. There is no possible way that a katana would cut through the fencers sword while fighting, and it probably wouldn't even work if the foil/epee (I can't tell) was lying on a hard surface during the chop/slice/cut. If you'd ever handled either of the swords you would know this...
@hybo0 yeah cause us backwards folks never discovered iron. The Katana is a good blade but steel is not katana exclusive and I would take a good steel cutlass over a katana any-day. For example with the cutlass I still have a free hand to draw and pistol and shoot you. Not too fond of the rapier though french blade an all.
@Sirceaser999 The fencer's sword (either an epee or a foil), on the other hand, is made of unbelievably strong, flexible steel. If you've ever handled one, you would know that you can whack it against almost anything, as hard as you want, and it's not going to break. It just absorbs the shock of the impact.
Everyone online thinks they know everything about martial arts I swear. Can you just watch the video without saying something that's been said in the comments 20 times just so you can seem smart?
thumping your foot telegraphes your moves too well, you are supposed to roll your foot when advancing, much quieter, a good person will learn that when you stop you are attacking high adn counter it every single time.
unless both weapons have the same physical properties (swords are similarly resistant to bending, for example) as they would if they were both the genuine article, this contest is pointless. It's like comparing dance styles.
The kendo guy had 3rd dan at the time of making this video. Next year (2010) he obtained 4th. So indeed, a "low level" practioner of kendo. ;-)
On the other hand the fencer was as low level as it could possibly be. He started fencing in April 2009, so what you see is the result of 7 months of fencing, without a coach, only fencing books, a lot of sparring with a dedicated, very fast partner.
For the guys saying stuff about the main gauche, kendo has Nitoryu which is usually used with a smaller secondary Shinai. Like any dual wielding style, the users sacrifice something for another. But for both styles, just stick to the single weapon. You concentrate better anyway.
Fencer looks low level to me. He does not use the advantage of his lighter and faster blade. A Foil Saber or Epee should all be light and fast enough to get around the large kendo parries. Fencer would win if he would use the advantages of his weapon.
It is very encouraging that only 7-8 th dan kendoists analyze this video ;-). And also it is sad that people comment without even skimming over the first 10-20% of the comments.
The fencer would be using a rapier, which vary drastically in design and thickness. A katana would never be able to "cut" even the thinnest rapier. Remember the edge of a katana is hardened, so it holds it's edge longer, but that also makes it brittle, like all swords. Besides, a rapier isn't used for parrying, and it's constantly in motion, there wouldn't be a chance to try and cut it, and if he did try, he'd be wide open once he missed
Or could use a Hussar sabre. Its blade is around 85-88cm long, 30-35mm wide & 6-7mm thick at forte, the strongest part of the blade, near the hand guard. I would love to see a good video from a reliable source showing a katana "cutting" through such a sabre ;-DDD
Another important aspect: starting from the 16-17th century the hand of an European fencer is usually well protected by a massive hand guard.
Watching this video and reading some of the "Who's better" comments reminds me of a saying that many of us should remember. In battle, it's not just the weapon that matters but the person wielding the weapon as well.
What I mean is; a person's skill, discipline and focus matters just as much (if not more) than whatever sword, spear, gun or whatever weapon a warrior chooses to use. These days, it's more about nukes than any REAL weaponry
@alanjakarta this guy is not low level you don't know what you are talking about he has to be at least 4th degree black belt which takes a long time to get, why do you think that thumping feet = low level
wasnt the point of a foil to parry the opponents weapon, get in close and dispatch him with the dagger? what does this prove? Most of the japanese martial arts seem too specialized to fight each other and therefore arent any good against more versatile martial arts.
@Kain59242 You should really look at what you're saying more closely. Generalizing something you obviously don't know about doesn't help your case at all.
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by DrChrisOuellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by ChrisOuellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by Chris Ouellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
both are way too reserved in their actions. nobody is pressing. the saber fencer is using the common sports-version setup with his second hand unused instead of utilizing a longbladedagger as they used to utilize centuries ago. besides miyamoto used 2 steelblades instead of just one katana be4 he went all-wood to kill his opponents
Please don't forget that they tried to create more or less fair conditions for both players, so by using a main-gauche (parrying dagger) the fencer would have got an unfair advantage. It was only a friendly sparring, not a death match.
but in the tradition on youtubevideos when it comes to X vs X and as it happens to be the title for this particular videos was chosen to be Kendo vs Fencing some ppl which I am amongst them see it as what can one style do vs the other.
so on that note it seemed to me that eighter this was not taken into consideration when youtube prompted for a title after uploading the vid OR i just missed the description of the video :D
@minervius however I never wanted to do harm or insult anybody. thx 4 your calm respond mate. ps: i myself always liked friendly matches with whatever weapons they wanted me to use. floret/rapier, saber, knife, escrima/kali-sticks.
You are right. The title of this video a little bit misleading. If you read the uploader's first comment, then it's quite obvious that his English was very basic at that time, so that could explain a lot of things. Personally I would drop "vs" in the title & formulate it as "Friendly sparring between a kendoka & a sabre fencer". A more detailed description would have been beneficial for viewers.
In theory, the rapier would have an edge if the user can be aggressive enough. But if not, the katana wielder will dictate the battle and wear out the opponent.
I'm not really sure about the rules for Kendo, but as long as that person fencing attacks, I think he can get the point. I mean, he's holding the foil or sabre (whatever it is) with one hand, and the kendo guy is holding it with two, so I think it would be quicker for him to attack and it would be harder for the kendo guy to parry.
i wouldnt do stop thrust or even lunges here as saber, the kendo is designed to deal with that, he does a nice job closing distance where 2h becomes very awkward
Put it this way: in any martial arts. How do the old masters beat a young and energetic martial artist. Impossible: The young martial artist has speed and strengh. The old master's only way to beat a young person is by knowledge and right place, right time hit/hold. An old martial artist does not waste energy. That's the mentality between high energy martial arts and grand old martial arts.
If smart the samurai would let the fencer dance. As he lunges in & out the samurai will maybe take a placed hit of the samurai's choosing but will get his cut in. A katana would take only one slash to kill or take off a limb.
Depends on the wielder of the blade. The fencer would have to slash & jab. jumping in & out (unless he can accurately jab into a killing point (heart, lungs, etc). In a true samurai fight they do not keep coming at you. They will wait for an opening and strike with one hit. If the fencer and samurai are both masters, I would have to give my vote to the samurai.
Let´s say we had musketeer vs Samurai who would win? First of the musketeers armor wouldent protect anything from the katana and the rapier could brake. The rapier would not penetrate the samurai armor and hes only way of winning is hitting a weak spot chance of success depends if we are talking about two people dressed as the combatants or if we had a samurai vs a musketeer the first one i will give a fair chance of 40% success rate the later one i woud say a snowball's chance in hell.
@Zergavas The musketeer would win. A rapier could penetrate a samurai's armor, because their armor wasn't all that good in the first place. They didn't possess the types of plate armor prevalent in the West. If you wanted to know the outcome of their meeting, samurai and musketeers, read into the battle where massed firing of muskets completely obliterated charging samurai cavalry and infantry waves. Also, notice how the bow and sword is not used in combat today, guns are though.
about the armor, it depends what century your talking about and about what kind of armor.
The first suits of armor was practically leather boards soaked in lacquer to form a hard plate. in times like the Sengoku jediie period you get to suits made of steel, i also heard that Oda Nobunaga apparently owned and used european platemail.
However for the muskets you are correct, in history the musket was most effective against charging opponents and behind cover.
however if musketers are ambushed you have little time to set up a gun, fire it and reload before you get charged down. also it depends on what kind of musket, if it is a matchlock, all you need is wet weather and the gun is useless, for flintlock it would be effective, for wheel lock it is a great system but if you lose the winding fork your screwed.
@Zergavas first of all your comment is bullshit. 1. the katan would not cut or pierce a plate armour, that is the musketeer is wearing one;2. the katana would not break a rapier, they could stand hits from a longsword and the weigh almost the same as a long sword, so they are not the slender blades you think;3. if this is a due, they won't be wearing any armor. if this is in the middle of a war, the musketeer would be using a sidesword, rapiers were more for civilian duels.
@Zergavas a musketeer has the same chances of beating a samurai, just as the samurai has the same chances of beating a musketeer. is all about personal skills, not any sperior martial art bullshit or equipment. the european steel was not inferior to the japanese's.
@FencerHU thanks.it just annoys me that people think that kenjutsu is so superior that all the other combat styles are useless, which is false. i don't practice any swordmanship, unfortunately. but i have search and read a lot and even look up manuals to come to a conclusion. and i find european martial arts as deadly, agile and quick as their asian homologues. now that i read my comment, i made a lot of typos. glad you could understand it.
tradition isn't being used here and i think the kendo bitch is a pussy also, you would think after i tell him how to kill him he would do it, BUT HE'S TO MUCH OF A PUSSY!
@Thefelstalker Traditionally, in an exchange like this, you switch armor. Both participants are wearing armor suitable to protect against their own weapon, rather than their opponents. I'm glad someone else had a "wait...what?" moment while watching that too.
The rapier is a parry then strike weapon the katana is made to block swords while still being an effective killing tool. The rapier is quicker and can apply 3 times the number of blows that the katana can but the katana has a higher chance to kill in one blow.
@muschett13 I have studied both western fencing, and Eishin Ryu Iaido. I love the japanese sword with all my heart, and own many custom peices. Western sword arts are superior. That is a fact. A painful fact, but a fact. Watch closely. The fencer landed 5 blows within the first minute of the bout. Also, the sharpness of a blade matter much less than proper blade orientation. I love sparring with my shinai. Just not against fencers.
finishing blow: katana user swings down on rapier bending the hell out of if then move in fearlessly and takes the most power over head swing at that pussy's neck result death of the opponent. (GAME OVER)
Rapiers are flexible for a reason, movement and footwork is especially integral to the success of that variant of swordsmanship. If you expect to stop the full force of an overhead slash from a strong Kendo stance with the weak, flexible portion of the rapier without moving to mitigate and divert the power of that blow, you deserve to die.
@AtheistMonster my point is simply 2 hand are better than one Fencing is one handed while the katana is the most bad ass non-custom sword today and if ur going 2 use one hand at least have the decency to put something in the other. But stafts are bad as but im not into super long blunt shit.
@DickyMcLongShots Staffs are one of the best defensive weapons, and can be formidible offensive weapons as well. A metal staff would have a fair chance against a katana, of wood against wood as well.
@DickyMcLongShots Staffs are one of the best defensive weapons, and can be formidible offensive weapons as well. A metal staff would have a fair chance against a katana, of wood against wood as well.
true masters of their craft would know strengths and weaknesses of their styles, so yes the saber may be faster but the katana has imo the best balance between power and speed. im sure in a real situation both would be very cautious and would try out "safer" strikes that dont leave them with too much of an opening and will gauge one another to figure out the others weakness, etc.
Guys, guys, Zhaaligkeer makes the most sense here. fingers getting cut? what u think samurais went to the battlefield with no armor (gauntlets/kote guard specifcally)? lookin at poor Ashigaru r we? also in real fighting a Samurai wouldnt just know sword techniques, as would the Fencer (honestly dont know the real world warrior equivalent). the katana is primarily a slashing sword, but u ever look at the tip? its sharp as well just not in the same manner as a saber.
with equal talent fights can go either way. can't say "who would win" because a real fight has hundreds of factors that could tip it in either direction.the issue about swords were fragile confuses me. assuming the smiths had a semi-decent amount of skill they'd be idiots to make a sword that's just gonna snap. Katanas were forged with the metal being folded multiple times, making a really strong blade. of course this isn't done the same today, but swords were designed to take a severe beating
Hm, the sabreur isn't using his weapon's speed to its advantage. And he is giving the kendo practitioner the ability to control the action. Didn't see a single stop thrust and very few lunges. Speed is life (or touches, in this case).
@FencerHU Yep. I have done Fencing and Gum Do (basically Korean Kendo). I also train with ARMA (Association of Renaissance Martial Arts.) Yeah, swords are almost an obsession of mind.
Superb! So there is no need to explain the importance to maintain a proper distance, especially with an unknown opponent who uses a total different method of swordsmanship. The sabreur is well padded (additional protection on collarbone, on helmet etc.). Before the freeplay they have tested shinai strikes on the fencer's equipment, agreed on force lever, stipulated: no tsuki. Within such a setup there is no reason to be scared of kendoka or his shinai. ;-)
@FencerHU Oh, I didn't say there was a good reason to be scared. But if a person is intimidated by an opponent for any reason you can tell it in their body language, if you've done enough sparring. He lacks the aggression that I would like to see a person of any style or discipline exhibit. If you don't like "scared" then maybe "stagnantly cautious" is better. He's probably just scared of a situation that is totally new to him.
Yes, stagnantly cautious or overcautious is much better. Basically I agree with your assessment. The lack of aggression can be explained by the purpose of the whole encounter. Its goal was to have a first-hand experience of a friendly sparring with a kendoka, just to experience the speed, techniques, tactical solutions etc. of Japanese swordsmanship.
Also there was a big skill difference between two players: kendoka had 3rd dan, in 2010 received his 4th; fencer had 5-6 months of freeplay training, without a fencing coach, basically his whole knowledge was from quality Hungarian sabre fencing manuals. And 15-20 kendokas were observing his "performance".
@JesterOnCrack well it's kind of like that stupid show world's greatest warrior or whatever it's called if you take the fighters out of their time periods and pit them against eachother you would be HARD pressed to defeat the armor of a samurai with a sabre let alone worrying about his katana and or wakizashi that's just my opinion though and opinions are like butt cracks everyone's got one.
@Appollyion good point. I can't stand that swat versus ninja bullshit. but kendo is a modern sport, just like fencing is, so the idea isn't as absurd. It's still pretty stupid because the two sports follow different rulesets.
I used to do fencing so I wondered whether or not a shinai is light enough to parry with a sabre.
@JesterOnCrack You'd have to parry on the forte, but it's less about weight and more about the power behind the strike itself. Men, one of the kendo strikes that cuts center-line for the head, so the sabreur should go to quinte, the parry that would protect the head from a cut. However, you'd be hard pressed to hold that parry against such a cut.
@jackoshadow I guess if he sees it fast enough, then quinte parry and instant riposte is probably the way to go. It almost always is though ;) They win olympia with that move.
I'm living in Hungary and I was surprised about this video, that somewhere else there is an as bad gym as we have here, then i looked in to the description XD
for the record, to all of you who say one could beat the other in a one on one fight to the death are wrong, most likely the fencer will have his foil/saber/epee in the kendo guy's abbdomen as the kendo guy brought down his sword on the fencers head. therefore, it'd be a tie, almost everytime
@IncarnateOfZero It really depends on how closely they follow the "gentleman's rules" of their particular styles. Power-wise, the kendo stance wins. Adaptability goes to the foil, however were it Saber, the Saber would win hands down. Why? The lack of hand guard on the Shinai [or its true war equivalent] means there is no more hand, or at least severely sliced fingers, which quickly reduces the power advantage.
@DerFerret but like i said, more than likely, by the time the fencer has cut his hand or fingers the blade will be coming down on the fencer's head or shoulder. thus, a draw
yeah yeah.... just try to fight with this BOTH swords in close formation and youll notice that fancing technique is absolete on battlefeild, its shield wall and phalanx are real war masteries.
For once, I would like to see a sparring between at least a 3th dan kendoka and a scholar level classical fencer or H.E.M.A swordsman. Not to answer samurai vs. knight question(which I find stupid) but to able to enjoy a high-level cross-sparring between two distinct schools of swordplay. But in youtube all I can find is fights between low-level enthusiasts. They could use steel blunts or wooden wasters but I find foil and shinai not practical to use in such a cross-sparring event.
@MrArjay00001 the stance is a bit similar and the video is just horrible but the guard is indeed a saber. He is also striking with the sides of the blade which is another indicator of the saber style.
@shadowseries yeaaa that's what i suspected at first lol, but i saw the guard was small so i thought it was foil.. haha i wonder how they work out the right of way in this game xD
The kendoka wears an Olympic fencing mask (350N, with red mesh). A kendo mask would have been utter irresponsibility, because it does not provide protection against thrusts with a sport sabre.
@MakoKitsune Anyone who brought a sword into my school an tried to be Mr 'look at me im bad as hell' would get shot or jumped in a heart beat, Im not saying kendos weak or anything, I really like it, But just because you take kendo doesn't mean your tough, and doesn't mean people are going to fear you, atleast not in baltimore.
@MrHats45 Kendo isn't about real life fighting. At least anymore. Karate or judo could be used in real fight but you can't really use kendo in a fight. No one carries a shinai around.
Katana's are the most deadly slicing/cutting swords out there, but also one of the most fragile in terms of extended fighting. A katana will easily break/chip in various ways after several hits against anything solid. They were designed for quick solid strikes against unarmored/lightly armored foes while being able to deflect blows with the back/side of the blade. However most Western blades were designed for extended combat and to take more punishment with less upkeep.
@SteewpidZombie Also when you consider that NOT every katana was made by a master swordsmith. Some were mass/quickly made for the poorer infantry who might not have been samurai. So unless your blade was forged by a true master smith (Modern versions cost thousands of dollars), your sword was designed for short engagements and as a last resort. The Naginata and Spear were more common/used by Samurai then swords were (Due to range and various uses, while swords were for close range).
@SteewpidZombie They're not the most powerful cutters. Falchion, messer, khopesh, dadao are stronger cutters. But really, all swords are fragile. Early period katans were brittle not because they were "designed" so, they just used bad iron without having developed proper smelting techniques.
You can't compare Kendo with Fencing. Two totally different style & use of weapons. Kendo win's hands down the blade is stronger, has an edge & a point compare to sabre, epee or foil which has either a point or edge but not both.
The fencer managed his parries better than a expected, considering the extreme flexibility of his weapon. I rather expected the sturdier kendo to just blow through it. Good showing all around.
lagg like hell
goofdunk 2 hours ago
Kiai?
jeroeniskoning 11 hours ago
so who won this?
27gstackz 1 day ago
so who eon this?
27gstackz 1 day ago
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cool wanna see another cool thing type medieval... flying face p.s its not about faces
silverinsanity8 1 day ago
No ki-ai, iffy technique, that Kendoka must be a beginner!
Hikarilover123 1 day ago
Most of the flowery samurai sword styles developed after the warring states era (and therefore medieval-style wars) were over, so I wonder how much of what current schools teach is actually like what warring samurai would have done.
borbo23 1 day ago
For everybody who thinks that a katana could easily slice through an M1 Abrams tank ;-) I want to suggest a simple experiment: buy a cheap machete (2mm thick x 45mm wide = 90mm2 of carbon steel) and cut it with your katana. And post your video of performing that sword feat. Just for reference: Hungarian sabre, Pattern 1904: 6,5mm x 32mm at forte, Pattern 1861: 5,5mm x 30mm. Also please check the specification of an average rapier.
FencerHU 2 days ago
Try that again with a Bokken, again with real weapons. It's a bigger, heavier weapon, perhaps not by much. But the end result would have to be a real Katana could slice though that tiny raiper weapon of yours, and have a choice; chop off a head/limb/body slice or even just pierce the heart with the tip. A heavier stabbing+slicing weapon vs a slimmer, lighter weapon meant for mostly stabbing... no real contest here.
Snowman20 2 days ago
@Snowman20 Actually they tried this on the show 'mythbusters' on their Special program on film effects and they found that a katana could not generally 'cut' or 'slice' through other swords, and yes amongst the different swords they tested the rapier was one of them. It's already been proved to be movie Hokum. Its all to do with where the point of impact is: If its on the 'forte' (where most swordsmen block or parry) then no chance! If its on the foible it can 'break'. But not cut or slice.
muresug 1 day ago
@Snowman20 Stabbing with a katana? Are you mad? Katanas are mediocre swords meant only for duels.
MiRyRE 5 hours ago
humm, can u say volleyball vs football?
cubibk 2 days ago
fencing noob. ur does not face the opponent.
junnexgolem 2 days ago
If somebody is such an "expert" that he isn't able to recognize the white tip of a shinai and confuses it with a bokken, then I would suggest to restrain himself from commenting on other people fencing qualification, especially the qualification of the kendoist.
FencerHU 2 days ago
It's a pitty we cannot see s hit!
Sorobai 2 days ago
*simple
CXaliendude1CX 3 days ago
@clifordsr i disagree. the katana was the best blade ever made. its diple physics that a tiny stick would be cut in half with a lawn mower blade, so the same applies to swords. regardless of whether it can absorb the shock, a good katana is sharp enough to produce almost no shock. you obviously have never handled a katana. the rapier IS fast, however. and against any other sword, no it wouldnt break. thats because other swords are made differently and have different edges than katanas.
CXaliendude1CX 3 days ago
the bokken is of poor skill..... but so is the fencer, so?? i just think that this video was a waste of my time.
hybo0 3 days ago
@hybo0 I think its a shinai, different to a solid wood bokken.
frankudos 2 days ago
So um.. who won?
TehNubGamer 3 days ago
I know very little about either, but I think a samurai sword would shatter a rapier or foil or whatever.
Sirceaser999 4 days ago
@Sirceaser999 First off, a Samurai sword is called a katana. These swords are designed to not come in contact with another sword, because they were for killing generally unarmed opponents of a lesser skill level. They are also MUCH weaker on the flat of the blade.... (continued in second post)
cliffordsr 4 days ago
@cliffordsr dude, a samurai sword would cut clean through another sword of any iron make... a thin tiny rapier would be but a blade of grass in the way of the scythe -like Katana
hybo0 3 days ago
@hybo0 As I already stated, the fencer's sword is STEEL, not iron. There is no possible way that a katana would cut through the fencers sword while fighting, and it probably wouldn't even work if the foil/epee (I can't tell) was lying on a hard surface during the chop/slice/cut. If you'd ever handled either of the swords you would know this...
cliffordsr 3 days ago
@hybo0 yeah cause us backwards folks never discovered iron. The Katana is a good blade but steel is not katana exclusive and I would take a good steel cutlass over a katana any-day. For example with the cutlass I still have a free hand to draw and pistol and shoot you. Not too fond of the rapier though french blade an all.
Le4fvillageninja 3 days ago
@Sirceaser999 The fencer's sword (either an epee or a foil), on the other hand, is made of unbelievably strong, flexible steel. If you've ever handled one, you would know that you can whack it against almost anything, as hard as you want, and it's not going to break. It just absorbs the shock of the impact.
cliffordsr 4 days ago
kendo would win its more agressive -.-
TheStraightboy 4 days ago
is the fencer pregnat? why is his arm in that possition? poor skills
1zoltman 4 days ago
now that is what i like to see, some thing a little less CONVENTIONal
Zedos777 4 days ago
reminding me of Princess Lover anime :D
like if u know hwat m talkin bout :3
Bobo574574 4 days ago
@Bobo574574 Teppei vs Silvie =)
Silvie wins!!! xD except this Silvie up there isn't a girl =(
animezubs 4 days ago
Everyone online thinks they know everything about martial arts I swear. Can you just watch the video without saying something that's been said in the comments 20 times just so you can seem smart?
TheJaceyCee 5 days ago
thumping your foot telegraphes your moves too well, you are supposed to roll your foot when advancing, much quieter, a good person will learn that when you stop you are attacking high adn counter it every single time.
klakapintaq 5 days ago
unless both weapons have the same physical properties (swords are similarly resistant to bending, for example) as they would if they were both the genuine article, this contest is pointless. It's like comparing dance styles.
epicpolyphony 5 days ago
The kendo guy had 3rd dan at the time of making this video. Next year (2010) he obtained 4th. So indeed, a "low level" practioner of kendo. ;-)
On the other hand the fencer was as low level as it could possibly be. He started fencing in April 2009, so what you see is the result of 7 months of fencing, without a coach, only fencing books, a lot of sparring with a dedicated, very fast partner.
FencerHU 5 days ago
For the guys saying stuff about the main gauche, kendo has Nitoryu which is usually used with a smaller secondary Shinai. Like any dual wielding style, the users sacrifice something for another. But for both styles, just stick to the single weapon. You concentrate better anyway.
Machdude 5 days ago
Fencer looks low level to me. He does not use the advantage of his lighter and faster blade. A Foil Saber or Epee should all be light and fast enough to get around the large kendo parries. Fencer would win if he would use the advantages of his weapon.
schumak13 5 days ago
@schumak13 bamboo is light too
hell666warrior 5 days ago
Regarding "kendo guy is low level" stuff.
It is very encouraging that only 7-8 th dan kendoists analyze this video ;-). And also it is sad that people comment without even skimming over the first 10-20% of the comments.
FencerHU 5 days ago
I vote Fencing just cuz I take it :)
firecloud19 6 days ago
A sword itself can be a dangerous enemy.
DeathKnocksAtTheDoor 6 days ago
A properly forged katana would be able to cut the fencing sword with one good strike.
ANimouz 6 days ago
@ANimouz
The fencer would be using a rapier, which vary drastically in design and thickness. A katana would never be able to "cut" even the thinnest rapier. Remember the edge of a katana is hardened, so it holds it's edge longer, but that also makes it brittle, like all swords. Besides, a rapier isn't used for parrying, and it's constantly in motion, there wouldn't be a chance to try and cut it, and if he did try, he'd be wide open once he missed
TheSpiffyHarry 5 days ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
Or could use a Hussar sabre. Its blade is around 85-88cm long, 30-35mm wide & 6-7mm thick at forte, the strongest part of the blade, near the hand guard. I would love to see a good video from a reliable source showing a katana "cutting" through such a sabre ;-DDD
Another important aspect: starting from the 16-17th century the hand of an European fencer is usually well protected by a massive hand guard.
FencerHU 5 days ago
Watching this video and reading some of the "Who's better" comments reminds me of a saying that many of us should remember. In battle, it's not just the weapon that matters but the person wielding the weapon as well.
What I mean is; a person's skill, discipline and focus matters just as much (if not more) than whatever sword, spear, gun or whatever weapon a warrior chooses to use. These days, it's more about nukes than any REAL weaponry
sadlobster1 6 days ago
Soul Calibur!
RandomWeirdodobird 1 week ago 22
@RandomWeirdodobird kendo guy should dress like Mitsurugi!
thatonekid30 1 day ago
kendo guy is low level, thumping foot etc etc.
alanjakarta 1 week ago 18
@alanjakarta this guy is not low level you don't know what you are talking about he has to be at least 4th degree black belt which takes a long time to get, why do you think that thumping feet = low level
kenjiota 5 days ago
@alanjakarta So true
DonRaynor 3 days ago
@alanjakarta The foot thumping is a technique to throw your opponent off guard.
LordAkira 3 days ago
wasnt the point of a foil to parry the opponents weapon, get in close and dispatch him with the dagger? what does this prove? Most of the japanese martial arts seem too specialized to fight each other and therefore arent any good against more versatile martial arts.
Kain59242 1 week ago
@Kain59242 You should really look at what you're saying more closely. Generalizing something you obviously don't know about doesn't help your case at all.
noxiouslion 1 week ago
guys sick video
moltenthoughts 1 week ago
The saber guy should be using kendo protections, and viceversa.
Chawo 1 week ago
@Chawo
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by DrChrisOuellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
FencerHU 1 week ago
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@Chawo
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by ChrisOuellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
FencerHU 1 week ago
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@Chawo
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded by Chris Ouellet).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
FencerHU 1 week ago
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@Chawo
It has been explained several times that the protection level of both players is quite adequate & safe. Your version is OK from technical point of view, but it looks absolutely horrible visually (just check Haidong video uploaded).
In our case the Hungarian fencer should have used a totally black protection, sh.h. discarded his baggy pants, just to be on a par with the cool outfit of the kendoka. ;-)
FencerHU 1 week ago
both are way too reserved in their actions. nobody is pressing. the saber fencer is using the common sports-version setup with his second hand unused instead of utilizing a longbladedagger as they used to utilize centuries ago. besides miyamoto used 2 steelblades instead of just one katana be4 he went all-wood to kill his opponents
minervius 1 week ago
@minervius
Please don't forget that they tried to create more or less fair conditions for both players, so by using a main-gauche (parrying dagger) the fencer would have got an unfair advantage. It was only a friendly sparring, not a death match.
FencerHU 1 week ago
@FencerHU yes i am well aware of that :)
but in the tradition on youtubevideos when it comes to X vs X and as it happens to be the title for this particular videos was chosen to be Kendo vs Fencing some ppl which I am amongst them see it as what can one style do vs the other.
so on that note it seemed to me that eighter this was not taken into consideration when youtube prompted for a title after uploading the vid OR i just missed the description of the video :D
minervius 1 week ago
@minervius however I never wanted to do harm or insult anybody. thx 4 your calm respond mate. ps: i myself always liked friendly matches with whatever weapons they wanted me to use. floret/rapier, saber, knife, escrima/kali-sticks.
keep it up guys
minervius 1 week ago
@minervius
You are right. The title of this video a little bit misleading. If you read the uploader's first comment, then it's quite obvious that his English was very basic at that time, so that could explain a lot of things. Personally I would drop "vs" in the title & formulate it as "Friendly sparring between a kendoka & a sabre fencer". A more detailed description would have been beneficial for viewers.
FencerHU 1 week ago
In theory, the rapier would have an edge if the user can be aggressive enough. But if not, the katana wielder will dictate the battle and wear out the opponent.
Adnachiel2 1 week ago
I'm not really sure about the rules for Kendo, but as long as that person fencing attacks, I think he can get the point. I mean, he's holding the foil or sabre (whatever it is) with one hand, and the kendo guy is holding it with two, so I think it would be quicker for him to attack and it would be harder for the kendo guy to parry.
hanaporter 1 week ago
i wouldnt do stop thrust or even lunges here as saber, the kendo is designed to deal with that, he does a nice job closing distance where 2h becomes very awkward
vh90278 1 week ago
the Kendo member drew his blade too far back occasionally.
mickeyps7 2 weeks ago
I DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN EITHER OF THESE BUT MY OPINION IS WAY BETTER THAN YOUR OPINION CAUSE I USE CAPS LOCK
DrPepperPope 2 weeks ago
Put it this way: in any martial arts. How do the old masters beat a young and energetic martial artist. Impossible: The young martial artist has speed and strengh. The old master's only way to beat a young person is by knowledge and right place, right time hit/hold. An old martial artist does not waste energy. That's the mentality between high energy martial arts and grand old martial arts.
jmats00 2 weeks ago
If smart the samurai would let the fencer dance. As he lunges in & out the samurai will maybe take a placed hit of the samurai's choosing but will get his cut in. A katana would take only one slash to kill or take off a limb.
jmats00 2 weeks ago
Depends on the wielder of the blade. The fencer would have to slash & jab. jumping in & out (unless he can accurately jab into a killing point (heart, lungs, etc). In a true samurai fight they do not keep coming at you. They will wait for an opening and strike with one hit. If the fencer and samurai are both masters, I would have to give my vote to the samurai.
jmats00 2 weeks ago
Let´s say we had musketeer vs Samurai who would win? First of the musketeers armor wouldent protect anything from the katana and the rapier could brake. The rapier would not penetrate the samurai armor and hes only way of winning is hitting a weak spot chance of success depends if we are talking about two people dressed as the combatants or if we had a samurai vs a musketeer the first one i will give a fair chance of 40% success rate the later one i woud say a snowball's chance in hell.
Zergavas 2 weeks ago
@Zergavas Slight problem here... MUSKETeers used muskets.
BlauerDegen 2 weeks ago
@BlauerDegen I was talking about sword fighting and samurai had the Yumi bow.
Zergavas 2 weeks ago
@Zergavas The musketeer would win. A rapier could penetrate a samurai's armor, because their armor wasn't all that good in the first place. They didn't possess the types of plate armor prevalent in the West. If you wanted to know the outcome of their meeting, samurai and musketeers, read into the battle where massed firing of muskets completely obliterated charging samurai cavalry and infantry waves. Also, notice how the bow and sword is not used in combat today, guns are though.
Grenadier1775 2 weeks ago
@Grenadier1775 And guns have what to do with people facing off against each other using a rapier and a katana (or shinai in this case)?
Khaytor 2 weeks ago
@Grenadier1775
about the armor, it depends what century your talking about and about what kind of armor.
The first suits of armor was practically leather boards soaked in lacquer to form a hard plate. in times like the Sengoku jediie period you get to suits made of steel, i also heard that Oda Nobunaga apparently owned and used european platemail.
TheGrim275 2 weeks ago
@TheGrim275
However for the muskets you are correct, in history the musket was most effective against charging opponents and behind cover.
however if musketers are ambushed you have little time to set up a gun, fire it and reload before you get charged down. also it depends on what kind of musket, if it is a matchlock, all you need is wet weather and the gun is useless, for flintlock it would be effective, for wheel lock it is a great system but if you lose the winding fork your screwed.
TheGrim275 2 weeks ago
@Zergavas first of all your comment is bullshit. 1. the katan would not cut or pierce a plate armour, that is the musketeer is wearing one;2. the katana would not break a rapier, they could stand hits from a longsword and the weigh almost the same as a long sword, so they are not the slender blades you think;3. if this is a due, they won't be wearing any armor. if this is in the middle of a war, the musketeer would be using a sidesword, rapiers were more for civilian duels.
mechupanlamonda 1 week ago
@Zergavas a musketeer has the same chances of beating a samurai, just as the samurai has the same chances of beating a musketeer. is all about personal skills, not any sperior martial art bullshit or equipment. the european steel was not inferior to the japanese's.
mechupanlamonda 1 week ago
@mechupanlamonda
Absolutely valid observation.
FencerHU 1 week ago
@FencerHU thanks.it just annoys me that people think that kenjutsu is so superior that all the other combat styles are useless, which is false. i don't practice any swordmanship, unfortunately. but i have search and read a lot and even look up manuals to come to a conclusion. and i find european martial arts as deadly, agile and quick as their asian homologues. now that i read my comment, i made a lot of typos. glad you could understand it.
mechupanlamonda 1 week ago
tradition isn't being used here and i think the kendo bitch is a pussy also, you would think after i tell him how to kill him he would do it, BUT HE'S TO MUCH OF A PUSSY!
DickyMcLongShots 2 weeks ago
Wait a miniute, why would you fight a kendo'er with fencing armor?
Thats like wearing a bullet proof vest to stop a fire!
Thefelstalker 2 weeks ago
@Thefelstalker Traditionally, in an exchange like this, you switch armor. Both participants are wearing armor suitable to protect against their own weapon, rather than their opponents. I'm glad someone else had a "wait...what?" moment while watching that too.
sanoichiro 2 weeks ago
as a fencer, i've often wondered who would win in this situation...
iFenceU 2 weeks ago
The rapier is a parry then strike weapon the katana is made to block swords while still being an effective killing tool. The rapier is quicker and can apply 3 times the number of blows that the katana can but the katana has a higher chance to kill in one blow.
XvShadowsvX 2 weeks ago
@XvShadowsvX katanas are faster at cutting but rapiers are made for stabbing, and katanas are sharp as heck
muschett13 2 weeks ago
@muschett13 Aye and its alot easier to stab or slash with rapier since it only takes a few flicks of the wrist
XvShadowsvX 2 weeks ago
@muschett13 I have studied both western fencing, and Eishin Ryu Iaido. I love the japanese sword with all my heart, and own many custom peices. Western sword arts are superior. That is a fact. A painful fact, but a fact. Watch closely. The fencer landed 5 blows within the first minute of the bout. Also, the sharpness of a blade matter much less than proper blade orientation. I love sparring with my shinai. Just not against fencers.
sanoichiro 2 weeks ago
rapier vs katana
finishing blow: katana user swings down on rapier bending the hell out of if then move in fearlessly and takes the most power over head swing at that pussy's neck result death of the opponent. (GAME OVER)
DickyMcLongShots 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots no. dont write stupid shit.
shadowseries 2 weeks ago
@shadowseries U mad bro?
DickyMcLongShots 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots you retarded bro?
shadowseries 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots
Rapiers are flexible for a reason, movement and footwork is especially integral to the success of that variant of swordsmanship. If you expect to stop the full force of an overhead slash from a strong Kendo stance with the weak, flexible portion of the rapier without moving to mitigate and divert the power of that blow, you deserve to die.
AtheistMonster 2 weeks ago
@AtheistMonster a pussy's rapier will never out beat the meaty katana, u just mad i killed ur Fencing bitch just like that.
DickyMcLongShots 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots
I don't think I would even attempt to challenge your credibility whenever it comes to big meaty shafts.
AtheistMonster 2 weeks ago
@AtheistMonster my point is simply 2 hand are better than one Fencing is one handed while the katana is the most bad ass non-custom sword today and if ur going 2 use one hand at least have the decency to put something in the other. But stafts are bad as but im not into super long blunt shit.
DickyMcLongShots 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots
Well traditionally the rapier was sometimes accompanied by a dagger, cloak, a buckler, or another rapier if that accounts for anything.
AtheistMonster 2 weeks ago
@DickyMcLongShots Staffs are one of the best defensive weapons, and can be formidible offensive weapons as well. A metal staff would have a fair chance against a katana, of wood against wood as well.
Glacierfur39 2 weeks ago
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@DickyMcLongShots Staffs are one of the best defensive weapons, and can be formidible offensive weapons as well. A metal staff would have a fair chance against a katana, of wood against wood as well.
Glacierfur39 2 weeks ago
true masters of their craft would know strengths and weaknesses of their styles, so yes the saber may be faster but the katana has imo the best balance between power and speed. im sure in a real situation both would be very cautious and would try out "safer" strikes that dont leave them with too much of an opening and will gauge one another to figure out the others weakness, etc.
LegendaryKite 2 weeks ago
@LegendaryKite i think in reality the katana would slice clean through both the saber and its wielder in mere moments
RigorMortisRabbit 2 weeks ago
Guys, guys, Zhaaligkeer makes the most sense here. fingers getting cut? what u think samurais went to the battlefield with no armor (gauntlets/kote guard specifcally)? lookin at poor Ashigaru r we? also in real fighting a Samurai wouldnt just know sword techniques, as would the Fencer (honestly dont know the real world warrior equivalent). the katana is primarily a slashing sword, but u ever look at the tip? its sharp as well just not in the same manner as a saber.
LegendaryKite 2 weeks ago
with equal talent fights can go either way. can't say "who would win" because a real fight has hundreds of factors that could tip it in either direction.the issue about swords were fragile confuses me. assuming the smiths had a semi-decent amount of skill they'd be idiots to make a sword that's just gonna snap. Katanas were forged with the metal being folded multiple times, making a really strong blade. of course this isn't done the same today, but swords were designed to take a severe beating
Zhaaligkeer 2 weeks ago
Hm, the sabreur isn't using his weapon's speed to its advantage. And he is giving the kendo practitioner the ability to control the action. Didn't see a single stop thrust and very few lunges. Speed is life (or touches, in this case).
jackoshadow 3 weeks ago 23
@jackoshadow Yeah, he seems almost scared of the kendoist.
MicahCTheory 2 weeks ago
@MicahCTheory
I just love such "expert" comments. Yes, the sabreur was indeed completely scared of the kendoka, because a bamboo shinai is soooo scary.
MegaLOL. BTW, have you got some fencing experience?
FencerHU 2 weeks ago
@FencerHU Yep. I have done Fencing and Gum Do (basically Korean Kendo). I also train with ARMA (Association of Renaissance Martial Arts.) Yeah, swords are almost an obsession of mind.
MicahCTheory 1 week ago
@MicahCTheory
Superb! So there is no need to explain the importance to maintain a proper distance, especially with an unknown opponent who uses a total different method of swordsmanship. The sabreur is well padded (additional protection on collarbone, on helmet etc.). Before the freeplay they have tested shinai strikes on the fencer's equipment, agreed on force lever, stipulated: no tsuki. Within such a setup there is no reason to be scared of kendoka or his shinai. ;-)
FencerHU 1 week ago
@FencerHU Oh, I didn't say there was a good reason to be scared. But if a person is intimidated by an opponent for any reason you can tell it in their body language, if you've done enough sparring. He lacks the aggression that I would like to see a person of any style or discipline exhibit. If you don't like "scared" then maybe "stagnantly cautious" is better. He's probably just scared of a situation that is totally new to him.
MicahCTheory 1 week ago
@MicahCTheory
Yes, stagnantly cautious or overcautious is much better. Basically I agree with your assessment. The lack of aggression can be explained by the purpose of the whole encounter. Its goal was to have a first-hand experience of a friendly sparring with a kendoka, just to experience the speed, techniques, tactical solutions etc. of Japanese swordsmanship.
FencerHU 1 week ago
@MicahCTheory
Also there was a big skill difference between two players: kendoka had 3rd dan, in 2010 received his 4th; fencer had 5-6 months of freeplay training, without a fencing coach, basically his whole knowledge was from quality Hungarian sabre fencing manuals. And 15-20 kendokas were observing his "performance".
FencerHU 1 week ago
@jackoshadow I never held a kendo shinai in my hands but can you even parry that thing with a sabre?
JesterOnCrack 6 days ago
@JesterOnCrack well it's kind of like that stupid show world's greatest warrior or whatever it's called if you take the fighters out of their time periods and pit them against eachother you would be HARD pressed to defeat the armor of a samurai with a sabre let alone worrying about his katana and or wakizashi that's just my opinion though and opinions are like butt cracks everyone's got one.
Appollyion 6 days ago
@Appollyion good point. I can't stand that swat versus ninja bullshit. but kendo is a modern sport, just like fencing is, so the idea isn't as absurd. It's still pretty stupid because the two sports follow different rulesets.
I used to do fencing so I wondered whether or not a shinai is light enough to parry with a sabre.
JesterOnCrack 6 days ago
@JesterOnCrack You'd have to parry on the forte, but it's less about weight and more about the power behind the strike itself. Men, one of the kendo strikes that cuts center-line for the head, so the sabreur should go to quinte, the parry that would protect the head from a cut. However, you'd be hard pressed to hold that parry against such a cut.
jackoshadow 6 days ago
@jackoshadow I guess if he sees it fast enough, then quinte parry and instant riposte is probably the way to go. It almost always is though ;) They win olympia with that move.
JesterOnCrack 6 days ago
I'm living in Hungary and I was surprised about this video, that somewhere else there is an as bad gym as we have here, then i looked in to the description XD
Dakor95 3 weeks ago
Zoro vs.Brooke xD Thumbs up if you get this reference!
THERANK1231 3 weeks ago 59
@THERANK1231 If you mean Roronora then he didn't use kendo he used kenjutsu :P lol sry im being a troll
jimyjamyninjas 2 weeks ago
@THERANK1231 THE Z THAT STANDS FOR ZORO XD
Epicness456 1 week ago
for the record, to all of you who say one could beat the other in a one on one fight to the death are wrong, most likely the fencer will have his foil/saber/epee in the kendo guy's abbdomen as the kendo guy brought down his sword on the fencers head. therefore, it'd be a tie, almost everytime
IncarnateOfZero 3 weeks ago
@IncarnateOfZero It really depends on how closely they follow the "gentleman's rules" of their particular styles. Power-wise, the kendo stance wins. Adaptability goes to the foil, however were it Saber, the Saber would win hands down. Why? The lack of hand guard on the Shinai [or its true war equivalent] means there is no more hand, or at least severely sliced fingers, which quickly reduces the power advantage.
DerFerret 3 weeks ago
@DerFerret ....shinai have guards so....
shadowseries 2 weeks ago
@DerFerret but like i said, more than likely, by the time the fencer has cut his hand or fingers the blade will be coming down on the fencer's head or shoulder. thus, a draw
IncarnateOfZero 2 weeks ago
yeah yeah.... just try to fight with this BOTH swords in close formation and youll notice that fancing technique is absolete on battlefeild, its shield wall and phalanx are real war masteries.
Geroskop 3 weeks ago
A better matchup would be a saber instead of a foil
swdw973 3 weeks ago
One word: sunder.
CoolProveIt 3 weeks ago
csak a kendo :D
bankairyuu 3 weeks ago
Reepicheep vs. Darth Vader
shockedbyjoy 3 weeks ago
Could someone give me an overall length estimate for the kendo blade. Is it 40 inch or longer?
MichaelNTL 3 weeks ago
@MichaelNTL Sorry i meant overall length for the sword not just the blade.
MichaelNTL 3 weeks ago
For once, I would like to see a sparring between at least a 3th dan kendoka and a scholar level classical fencer or H.E.M.A swordsman. Not to answer samurai vs. knight question(which I find stupid) but to able to enjoy a high-level cross-sparring between two distinct schools of swordplay. But in youtube all I can find is fights between low-level enthusiasts. They could use steel blunts or wooden wasters but I find foil and shinai not practical to use in such a cross-sparring event.
rasnac 3 weeks ago
lol that's like a mix of all three, i think he's doing epee? though u can't slash in epee haha good fun tho
MrArjay00001 3 weeks ago
@MrArjay00001 nope that's actually foil... my bad
MrArjay00001 3 weeks ago
@MrArjay00001 its a saber.......
shadowseries 3 weeks ago
@shadowseries really? why's the guard so small tho, and i think his stance is also abit off, if its sabre
MrArjay00001 3 weeks ago
@MrArjay00001 the stance is a bit similar and the video is just horrible but the guard is indeed a saber. He is also striking with the sides of the blade which is another indicator of the saber style.
shadowseries 3 weeks ago
@shadowseries yeaaa that's what i suspected at first lol, but i saw the guard was small so i thought it was foil.. haha i wonder how they work out the right of way in this game xD
MrArjay00001 3 weeks ago
The kendoka wears an Olympic fencing mask (350N, with red mesh). A kendo mask would have been utter irresponsibility, because it does not provide protection against thrusts with a sport sabre.
FencerHU 4 weeks ago
if they had kendo clubs in American schools, it could possibly make bullying a little less of an issue an' students may stop being such pussies
any way yea, awesome
MakoKitsune 4 weeks ago
@MakoKitsune How? You think people would carry swords around? Boxing clubs would be better.
Ranziel1 4 weeks ago
@Ranziel1
yea, ya gotta point there...
MakoKitsune 3 weeks ago
@MakoKitsune Anyone who brought a sword into my school an tried to be Mr 'look at me im bad as hell' would get shot or jumped in a heart beat, Im not saying kendos weak or anything, I really like it, But just because you take kendo doesn't mean your tough, and doesn't mean people are going to fear you, atleast not in baltimore.
MrHats45 3 weeks ago
@MrHats45
yea, true, Baltimore is a rough place
MakoKitsune 3 weeks ago
@MrHats45 Well, people, who do kendo, just can't be Mr 'look at me im bad as hell'. People with that attitude won't train kendo for long.
lindntom 3 weeks ago
@MrHats45 Kendo isn't about real life fighting. At least anymore. Karate or judo could be used in real fight but you can't really use kendo in a fight. No one carries a shinai around.
Nikotiini69 3 weeks ago
@Nikotiini69 Precisely, That just adds to what I said haha.
MrHats45 3 weeks ago
@MrHats45 Yeah, well it isn't meant to make people fear, so people don't fear it. It isn't a bad thing. It's just a feature of the sport.
Nikotiini69 3 weeks ago
@Nikotiini69 Hows this relevant to my original comment?
MrHats45 3 weeks ago
@MrHats45 I should ask how is not being afraid of kendoka relevant if that's not something that should matter in any way?
Nikotiini69 3 weeks ago
@Nikotiini69 If you went and looked at the original comment I replied to you would see how its relevant.
MrHats45 3 weeks ago
This was cool! Keep it up =)
99Knugen 4 weeks ago
aspiring darth maul
cubefreak93 4 weeks ago
Katana's are the most deadly slicing/cutting swords out there, but also one of the most fragile in terms of extended fighting. A katana will easily break/chip in various ways after several hits against anything solid. They were designed for quick solid strikes against unarmored/lightly armored foes while being able to deflect blows with the back/side of the blade. However most Western blades were designed for extended combat and to take more punishment with less upkeep.
SteewpidZombie 1 month ago
@SteewpidZombie Also when you consider that NOT every katana was made by a master swordsmith. Some were mass/quickly made for the poorer infantry who might not have been samurai. So unless your blade was forged by a true master smith (Modern versions cost thousands of dollars), your sword was designed for short engagements and as a last resort. The Naginata and Spear were more common/used by Samurai then swords were (Due to range and various uses, while swords were for close range).
SteewpidZombie 1 month ago
@SteewpidZombie They're not the most powerful cutters. Falchion, messer, khopesh, dadao are stronger cutters. But really, all swords are fragile. Early period katans were brittle not because they were "designed" so, they just used bad iron without having developed proper smelting techniques.
Ranziel1 4 weeks ago
If only there was a lightsaber.
kevinriley17 1 month ago
Which one is better, katana or foil ( if that is a foil )? This is propably one of those questions we might never get an answer to.
Although stabbing is in most cases more effective than slashing, they knew that already in ancient Rome.
DeadCantTestify 1 month ago
@DeadCantTestify its a saber
shadowseries 3 weeks ago
You can't compare Kendo with Fencing. Two totally different style & use of weapons. Kendo win's hands down the blade is stronger, has an edge & a point compare to sabre, epee or foil which has either a point or edge but not both.
Paul40052 1 month ago
@Paul40052
actually a saber has both
and by the time a skilled katana weilder could slash a fencer he would have marks up and down his arm
killer-katana
but that samurai isn't walking away anywhere near unscathed
plus, if the fencer is fast enough he gets the hit and the block so...
RiverHolloway 1 month ago
Comparing the two, Id give the advantage to the lighter and more agile sword.
Ryantube007 1 month ago
I hate the way kendo practitioners run around with the sword above there head
SimplyGreazyRecords 1 month ago
The fencer managed his parries better than a expected, considering the extreme flexibility of his weapon. I rather expected the sturdier kendo to just blow through it. Good showing all around.
Irmasterlol 1 month ago
easy way to win if ur kendo walk around him fencing you can only go one way backwards and forwa