@ps3bandit8 No, I asked normison. Your opinion means little to NOTHING to me considering you don't even take the time to spell your words right. And 4th generation tank gear doesnt exist. And the RA-66 would make a good plane? It's a HELICOPTER made by Sikorsky, a company that engineers HELICOPTERS!!!
@Owninatlife well fuck u too, u gay faggot communis, i hope u get killed in an uprising byu the normison's of the world. and plane helicopter, same fuking thing, and the m1a3 will be the worlds first 4th gen tank, just like the f22 was the worlds first 4th gen plane. now go choke on a penis, no1 wants u in our arguement
Well, in that case, attack helicopter wise, I think that 1st Is Eurocopter Tiger, 2nd is Mi-24 Hind-F. Transport wise, I think 1st is OV-22 War Osprey, 2nd is KA-60 Kasaka, and 3rd is RA-66 Comanche. That's just my opinion. Btw, the M1A3 Abrams has trials being released, and it has 3rd Generation targeting and weaponry. The M1A2SEP already has 3rd gen decayed uranium/steel laminate reactive armor.
@ps3bandit8 Yea but USA (Obama) just cut its military budget by 1/3rd wich is pretty fucking much, so it will take ages before it will be in mass production, while Russia just threw 600 billion dollars at modernizing their military and still i dont live in Russia i live in a country next to Russia called Finland and i have served in Finnish army for 1 year (mandatory service) and Finland has AAA credit rating and is in top3 countries in quality of life standards. So my view is way more objective
@normison69 lol, russia's gdp ius 1.48 trillion, they didnt spend 600 billion in modernization, and we didnt cut our military spending by 1/3, we cut it by 4 billion from 2012-2013, once again do some research. and finland is one the poorest excuses 4 a defecne force in all of europe. and ironically enough, your countries frontline fighter is AMERICAN made, so u should be proud that my country defends your from those drukern Ruskies
@ps3bandit8 Russia just did spend 600 billion into their army modernization 2011 or 2012, and that is a fact, it might not be in one big sum but many payments. As for Finland goes, we BEAT USSR in 1939 & 1944 TWICE! Finland is not part of NATO and our capital is one of USAs nuclear strike targets if cold war had ever got hot and still is, so you dont protect us shit. We beat any invader. But my point was that my view is more objective than yours, im not biased by American or Russian propaganda.
@ps3bandit8 I think our country is no-ones bitch, we are in EU so we cant be "Russias" or "US" bitches also cuz we are not in NATO, we have beaten Russia in WW2 when they tiwce invaded our country, we did not run we fought and caused the so much casualties to Soviets that they were forced to negotiate. I think i know a country that i have lived for 27 years better than you do Don't argue me on Finland please,. debate military tech, Russia or anything else but Finland because i know better it.
@ps3bandit8 This shows how bad you know the world outside and inside USA. Finland DOES NOT HAVE FRONTLINE FIGHTERS, its army is FDF or Finish DEFENCE Force that is USED ONLY FOR DEFENCE. We HAD maybe dozen PEACEKEEPRS in Afghanistan but their role was very different from US SOLDIERS, they were not allowed to do raids or shoot unless they were shot upon first, only monitor peace. Finland has weaponry from around the world plus patriotic. USA does not help us shit because we are not in NATO!
@Owninatlife i agree iwht the osprey, but u cant really concider that a helicopter, the camanchee would have been a BOSS plane, if it was adopted, and the mi-24 is worth less than my shit on a battlefield
@ps3bandit8 Thats why its either modernized Mi-24 or new Mi-35 today, its pretty good for spec op missions where you need extraction from a bad situation with fire support at the same time, it has saved many Spetsnaz soldiers from shitty situations in Chechnya since its also the most heavily armored chopper in the world you cant penetrate its hull with even 50.cal or 12.7mm guns. Its very good multi-purpose chopper wich NATO has no analogue to it.
@ps3bandit8 We use our own produced version from AK (RK-95 newer and RK-62 older) as our standard battle rifle, we use many Russian BMP-2s and IFVs and tracked artillery howitzers 155mm and 122mm, modernized T-72s alongside with new Leopard 2s bought just when i was doing my service. Plus we use our own weapons manufacturers like PASI IFVs. Our service is mandatory for every man. Only US we have F-18 super hornets. If we wanted "protection" we would have joined NATO. So how do you protect us?
HAHAHAH now you guys are arguing about helicopters XD oh god I'm dying!! Here, do any of you have the palringo app for iTunes? Let's debate there, for a more civilized debate.
@Owninatlife No that guy does not believe that of ALL casualties in Iraq wich are about 1 million dead are 90% civillians, he thinks i mean that USA killed 90% of Iraqs total population, same in vietnam 3 million dead of wich 70% were civillians and rest soldiers or fighters. I would debate more civilized but that moron is so brainwashed by US propaganda that he probably thinks that Iran has nukes. He constantly misunderstands me and tells his "research" then suddenly changes his opinions. WTF!?
Anyway, how about we let bygones be bygones and let this dipshit spam the hell out of this vid. I, for one, am having to constantly take Tylenols for the migraines this guy gives me :)
@Owninatlife I feel your pain man...he is a total retard is perfect American idiot stereotype why the world thinks of USA lame, is that guy and guys like him, he is as ignorant as G.W.Bush. Next he will say that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 or maybe there were WMDs in Iraq or still are. US government knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq before they attacked it and that it had nothing to do with 9/11, even Osama Bin-Laden was not wanted for 9/11by FBI and he even always denied his involment
@normison69 no, no, no, you didn't understand me. I was just referring to Stalins bullshit between WW2 and Korea, and their willingness to nuke the U.S. during 'nam and the Cold War. And the whole "murderous savages" thing was more metaphorical than anything.
Frankly, I'm bored of arguing about tanks on an informational YouTube video about a jet. So call me and normison vodka swigging Bolshevik pinko commies or something, whatever pleases you.
@Owninatlife I have nothing against you except your stupid statement that Soviets killed during "cold war" children and women. You confused it with USA carpet bombings, Agent Orange and not-so precise "smart" Cruise missiles. Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and soon Iran. USA bombs and DU weapons kill also in long term. Those countries have never attacked USA. Only during Stalins era there were purges in USSR and only minor shit after. That ps3bandit is stereotypical USA idiot.
@ps3bandit9 LOLZ. Whatever. You seem hell bent on proving that you'd rather listen to American propaganda then legit facts. Even CBS news has said that nearly 50 Abrams tanks have been killed by roadside IEDs in Afghanistan, and they're die hard ignorant people.
@Owninatlife He really is ignorant and he lives in fantasy world create spoon fed propaganda to him. You are on the spot on that guy he makes the stereotypical American idiot, wich has no real knowledge about anything even inside hes own country. Most US news show only fragments of US losses in Iraq and Afghanistan because they do not want to scare soldiers going there and their parents plus weapons sales would go low. UK cancelled Challenger 2 production because of such high losses in Iraq.
Im getting off this stupid American ignorance channel where everything made in USA is indestructible and best. Ok T-90MS is "just" T-72 and Russians murdrer children and women on daily basis. You dont know shit you stupid idiots, Only during Stalins era there were mass murders and they were against MEN not children and During Stalins era 1.5-3 million SOVIET people were murdered after Stalin there were no "atrocities" only ones by USA (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan)
@normison69 yea, russia killing thousand of people in hungary chechnia, and the czech repuplic because they dont want to be apart of the soviet unioin totally isnt an attroicity. stfu your just a fuking idiot who makes up shit, and doest do any actual research
@ps3bandit8 What did you do to Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? and plan Iran? Russia defends only its border from terrorist, human traffic, narcotics and weapon trafficing scum Chechnya mercenaries who are not even Chechens. Russia has never attacked Hungary or Chech republic, it was fucking Soviet Union then, and killing thousands is nothing compared to how many people US have killed after WW2 of innocent countries like Vietnam. What Iraq did ever do to you? You still live in cold war era moron.
@ps3bandit8 What the fuck? Then what is T-90? Russian goverment calls it T-90S and T-90MS and they are T-90 and T-90MS super moderenized T-90S/MS is their MBT with T-80U(b) and T-72 is out of production long ago. . They call T-72 a T-72 and its not fucking same thing as T-90 or especially T-90MS. It has 90% different everything. From engine.armor, protective systems, weapons, turret and electronincs. Only the improved chassis & improved autoloader remain. You even contradict your own statements.
The M1A2 is in full production. It's armor has been completely sufficient in afganistan, as it's steel laminate/ decayed uranium reactive armor can survive virtually anything save a direct hit from a 275mm rocket. However, it is heavy, gas gussling, and very expensive. The T-90 has superior weaponry and targeting systems, though.
@Owninatlife Plus he claims that not a single Abrams tank has ever been destroyed. Just type in search: WAR IS HELL pictures of destroyed Abrams tanks
Id rather beleive the 100 or so pictures of destroyed Abrams tanks shown there than his "research". Really ive never met someone so dumb as him. Finally someone with a reason. I will shut up but he wont because he is and idiot who does not know anything outside America. Im not being even biased towards any country but he is.
@Owninatlife no, it doesnt. the 120 smoothbore of the abrams has a longer range than the t90, and the abrams has the best targeting systems in the world, and that is confirmed by multiple goverments
Shut UP you two. Ok I researched both tanks and here's what I found: The T-72 is no longer in production by manufacturers. It was replaced by the T-90, which has superior steel laminate armor, weaponry, and targeting systems. The M1 and M1A1 Abrams aren't being made anymore either.
Forgive me if that sounded racist. A friend of mine was born in and spent the first 10 years of his life in Russia, and he's a good person. I'm only referring to their atrocities from the end of WW2 to the Cold War.
@ps3bandit Yet ANOTHER instance of comment misreading. I was simply saying that T-50s are good, but F-22s are lightyears ahead of Sukhoi. And most Russians are savages who murder women and children indiscriminately.
No, T-90MS "Tagil" is not just upgraded T-72, its new 2011 Russian tank and is much diffrent even from normal T-90. Nope, Abrams would be underdog ggainst T-90MS"Tagol" You US fought in Iraqi 19070s export variants T-72 downgraded versions that used 1970s ammo with Iraqis as drivers. T-90MS has nothing that Abrams doesnt have, except their armor is has different layout. It has more protective and offensive features than Abrams. Type in "search" : T-90MS "Tagil".
@normison69 you just wont research facts will u? the t90ms is just a variant of the t90. this is confirmed by the russian goverment so.... wtf are u talking about. and the t90 of any varient has no chance against any abrams, the abrams will never be an aunderdog against anything that russia can or will produce in the near future
@ps3bandit8 No you are wrong in that, they for example i think Leopard 2 is better than Abrams and maybe even T-90. But there was unofficial contest in Abu Dhabi weapons exhibit. T-90 won it 100% hits, Leopard 2 came second: one missed shot, Abrams broke down during its march section of competition. Modern T90s have better reach than Abrams, they can shoot laser guided missiles from their 125mm smoothbore and they they have everything that Abrams has and more, except the armor is made different
@normison69 so i researched your "abu dhabi" tank competition, u made that up. the t-90s maximum range firing an AT shell is 2,200 yards, the abrams is 4,400 yards, thats double the t-90s range. and the abrams can easily jam any incoming missile the t90 fires, wiht its softkill anti-missile system. so the t90 deosnt have better range, the abrams has 20x better protection seeing as how its taken direct 125mm hits and still continued to fight. but a 120mm would blow up a t90
@ps3bandit8 No i did not make that up, it was UNOFFICIAL. Second T90 can fire laser guided missiles from its smoothbore gun wich have 5-6km range wich way farther than Abrams can fire. Abrams has "thicker" armor, but T90 has smaller profile wich is very important and it has reactive armor, Shtora, ERA and other protective systems so it cannot be hit. T90 was shot by 125mm MODERN shells 6 times in the front armor and it could continue to drive and its armor was not penetrated. GET UR FACTS RIGHT
@ps3bandit8 I sent you a final video to stop your bullshit claims, you are only watching the PR and not reality. Your goverment tells you lies that your weapons are best simply because USA is so war mongering country that your soldiers need to sleep well knowing that their tech is best while actually its not. Leopard 2 is the best tank second best is T-90MS "Tagil" and third is MAYBE Abrams. Now i wont answer anymore to you who lives in a fictional world where only USA has the "best" everything
@normison69 your the fuking idiot who believes the fucking hardliners in the kremlin, and we all no everything they say is a load of shit. if you knew anything, you would know that the abrams is the best MBT in the world, and it havs been combat proven, the challenger 2 is second seing as how it has also been combat proven. now stop wiht the bullshit and catch up with reality
@ps3bandit8 Again its not combat proven against MODERN TANKS with MODERN SHELLS. Leopard 2 is the best and its a German tanks, so im not biased or beieve any certain direction, im just tired of the whole US has the best everything is the best shit. Challenger 2 is a joke compared even to Abrams Cya bias boy who cant pull his head form his ass and view the world not only from any other perspective than everything US is the best. Why then u have to fly to ISS on Russian Space Rockets even nowdays?
@normison69 it is provn against modern tanks, it beat the t72, the most widely used tank in the world, and the t90 is nothing but a t72, so the abrams is beter than the t90 by default. and the leopard 2 isnt combat provn either, and they wont beat an abrams in any way . the challenger can do circles around the leopard 2. and we use russian spaceplanes because we are 2 busy buliding even faster better space planes. and the us makes the best studd because america is the best
@ps3bandit8 IT BEAT in the 70s SOLD EXPORT VARIANT T-72. THERE IS NOTHING MODERN ABOUT IT, WITH 70s AMMO: STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN IDIOT INBRED FUCKING MORON WHO DOESNT SEE SHIT FROM SHIT. T-90 IS NOT JUST T-72, ITS CHASSIS IS ONLY T-72s EVERYTHING ELSE IS NEW, NEW ARMOR; NEW TURRET AND WEAPON AND NEW PROTECTION MEASURES AND NEW ELECTRONICS NEW AMMUNITON AND NEW ENGINE. ABRAMS IS LOSER TO EVEN RPG-7 IF HIT IN THE RIGHT SPOT OR MACHINE GUN FIRE CAN DISABLE IT YOU COCKSUCKER!!!
@normison69 stfu, your a huge fuking idiot 4 even suggesting machine gun fire can stop an abrams, chobham armour survived 23 rpg hits in live combat back in the intial invasion of iraq, the t90 cant survive 1 rpg hit successfully, made 2 if it has reactive armour, and the russian goverment agknowledges the t90 as nothing mour than a t72 considering its initial production name was the t-72BU. so stfu and learn wat your talking about u stupid brainwashed drink excuse 4 a human.
@ps3bandit8 Keep living in your fantasy world where all that is American is best and everything else is shit, Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world second is T-90MS wich has probably like only 15% of the original T-72 parts on it and its chassis only, not armor, gun electronics or protective systems. Abrams has a weakspot wich was discovered in Iraq that can disable the whole tank with one RPG-7 or heavy caliber machine gun. There are probably hundreds of destroyed Abrams rusting in Iraq.
@normison69 qwll id u did some research, u would know not a single abrams was destroyed by hositiles in human history, not in gulf war 1,2 or kosovo. thousands of t72s have been destroyes, and NATO exersized have proven the abrams much better than the leopard and all of its varients, and the t90 is nothing but a t72, there is no "15%" IT IS A T72. all they did was add a few useless feature considering that offensive armament of the abrams can bypass all of the defecnces of the t90
@ps3bandit8 TNow you are just being retarded, there are HUNDREDS destroyed Abrams tanks rusting in Iraq after the Second Iraq war. Just type in the SEARCH:
@normison69 y dont u actually do some research. only 23 abrams have been put out of avtion, and 1 destroyed. and non of the 23 were destroyed by hostile action.y dont u google Abrmas, and so some fuking research. your such a fuking idiot, stop making up shit
@ps3bandit8 You previously said that NO ABRAMS WERE EVER DESTROYED and now you say SOME ARE WERE DESTROYED? Abrams has never fought 3rd generation tanks like T-90 or Leopard 2 only 2nd gen T-72s made in 70s export variants. US will never reveal true destroyed numbers. You really are dumbfuck that you say one thing then you say another that contradicts your last thing, stay behind your words or SHUT THE FUCK UP. Next you will say that T-80 is same as T-72 or T-90 cannot fire up to 5km missiles
@normison69 if u read, u would know that i said no abrmas were destroyed BY HOSTILE ACTION, . and neither the t90 ot leopard 2 have fought third gen tanks, and they havent even seen combat, whereas the abrams has already been though 3 wars. and wtf do u mean that the us wont reveal true numbers destroyes? this isnt a fuking conspiracy, 23 were destroyed and thats fact. and the abrams wont need 5km ATGMs when well have air superiority for our helo's
@ps3bandit8 How then do you explain the HUNDREDS of pictures of Destroyed Abrams tanks seen on Youtube, plus its clear in those pics that many of them were destroyed by RPGs not only IEDs. Do you really think that your government reveals 100% facts about Iraq and Afghanistan to the public? I will send you UK&US made documentary about WAR and PROPAGANDA so you may understand it better why your government lies to you. Oh and Russians have one of best attack helos too, like Mi-28, Mi-35 and Ka-52
@normison69 Also why if there is no "lies" in your country and no "media manipulation" then why did you invade Iraq when your government knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq even prior to the invasion and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 twin towers. Why did your government lied to your US people, US soldiers and rest of the world that Iraq had WMDs while they knew that there were not any? Answer me this please first before claiming that your gov speaks only the truth about everything.
@normison69 damn your dumb , they have different angles and pictures of disables abrams. y dont u look up research rather than look at pictures, its just like vladmir putin, there are thousands of pictures of him, but that doesnt mean there are 100 vladimir putins. and the apache/black hawk combo will uterly demolish the mi-28/52, and the mi24/35 are transport helicopters. and our CH-53k beats all transport heilicopers
@ps3bandit8 Mi-24/35 are combination of gunship and transport helicopter wich NATO has no counterpart. Apache is on parrel with Mi-28 or KA-52 it would depend on the skills of the pilots that fight. Russian Mi-28 an Ka-50-52 helicopters have ejection seats wich US helicopters do not have. They are completely different M1 tanks, i would not watch of pictures of same tanks from different angles, wich i would notice eventually or instantly. Those are pictures of different destroyed Abrams 100%
@ps3bandit8 Im dumb? Your are dumb and blind to the truth that your government is No1 TERRORIST OF THE WORLD. Did you know that civillian casualties were just 10% in WW1 then they were 50% in WW2 then they were in Vietnam 70% 3 million total dead Vietnamese people and now they are 90% in Iraq with one million dead and their infrastructure destroyed like in Afghanistan. Pull your head from your ass and stop believing your government PROPAGANDA! Land of the free my ass! Patriot act is not freedom.
@normison69 once again your making up statistics, ww1 experience the most casualties of anywar, in part because of the spanish flue. ww2 is the 2nd most deadly, in vietnam, we killed 12million people. thats not 70% of their population. and there is no fuking way in hell that we have killed 90% of iraq's population, you dont even make sinec. its not propaganda, your just hating that your not american
@ps3bandit8 You misunderstood me, they are not stats but FACTS! They are about 90% amount of civillians against 10% soldiers of overall dead during the whole war, same in Vietnam 70% civs and 30% soldiers. NOT FUCKING 90% or 70% of the whole country pouplation but civillian casualties vs enemy soldiers overall. What about Iraq WMDs? They were100% propaganda! I live in a country with AAA credit rating and US has only AA credit rating so i dont even want to live in your shitty warmongering country
@ps3bandit8 And i have said that i do not live in Russia, but in a country that is in TOP3 countries with quality of life and we fought and won against Soviets in 1939 and 1943-44.
Thats why my view is more objective than yous, ive served in my countrys Army, We in the EU atleast see trough your USA government lies. My sources are: Youtube, Wikipedia, independent journalists, Amnesty international, UN and NATO and Russian Air forces and army. What are your "sources" of your "research"? Tell plz
@ps3bandit8 Sorry, you were right that T-72UB was the first name of T-90 but that was in 1993 when it was "just ´modernized" that did not pick up due to bad financial situation then in Russia. But then in 1999 Russia made almost completely new MBT with welded turret, a tank called T-90A "Vladimir" wich is current Russian MBT serving in Russia and its combat proven too, it has survived 7 direct RPG hits in 2nd Chechen war and remained 100% functional. No T-90A has been destroyed, or so they say.
@ps3bandit8 Russia just did spend 600 billion into their army modernization 2011 or 2012, and that is a fact, it might not be in one big sum but many payments, Russia has 5x untapped resources of US. Finland BEAT USSR in 1939 & 1944 TWICE! Finland is not part of NATO and our capital is one of USAs nuclear strike targets if cold war had ever got hot and still is, so you dont protect us shit. My point was that my view is more objective than yours, im not biased by American or Russian propaganda.
@ps3bandit8 How then do you explain the HUNDREDS of pictures of Destroyed Abrams tanks seen on Youtube, plus its clear in those pics that many of them were destroyed by RPGs not only IEDs. Do you really think that your government reveals 100% facts about Iraq and Afghanistan to the public? I will send you UK&US made documentary about WAR and PROPAGANDA so you may understand it better why your government lies to you. Oh and Russians have one of best attack helos too, like Mi-28, Mi-35 and Ka-52
@ps3bandit8 Mi-24/35 are combination of gunship and transport helicopter wich NATO has no counterpart. Apache is on parrel with Mi-28 or KA-52 it would depend on the skills of the pilots that fight. Russian Mi-28 & Ka-52 helicopters have ejection seats wich US helicopters do not have. In those pics they are completely different Abrams tanks 100% sure, i would not watch of pictures of same tanks from different angles, wich i would notice instantly. They are damaged or spray marked differently!!
@AnimusPipboy Reread his comment. He's basically saying that while Russia brags about how their T-50's and PAK-FAs kick ass (which they do), in real combat they are to the F-22 as a Kia Soul is to a brand new Ferrari.
@Owninatlife wtf are you talking about, the su50's are trash, theyve never been combat tested and the russinas have already admited that it cant match the perfomance of the f22 on any level. so stfu and go frink dome vodka u gay faggot communist
@imporacer forgive me, my information was partially incorrect. Most of the combat that the F-22 has seen is simulated, although it has seen actually seen legitimate combat in 2009 (or it might've been '08 or '10, I need to check my facts again) over the Russian/American border in Alaska, when it intercepted Russian Tu-95 bombers. It had, though, achieved unimaginable feats in simulated combat against "Red force aggressors" flying F-15s and F-16s. It's lack of actual combat experience is mostly
@Normison69 you are partially right. It is very expensive and expensive to maintain, however it HAS in fact seen combat on multiple frontiers and exceeds all expectations (I'm referring to the F-22). While Miyogan-Guerivich (MiG) fighters and most Sukhoi (Su) are more maneuverable, you rarely ever see F22s in conventional dogfights, as their radar and missile tracking ranges far exceed that of any other fighter. So in a way it depends on what you consider good.
@Owninatlife When/where did F-22 go to combat? Last time I check that it can't go to combat because it's pilots are getting hypoxia from faulty life supports systems, and they've been grounded for 5 months (which just recently lifted). The farthest they've been on a deployment is Okinawa, Japan. I've been to Iraq (Balad AB, Talil AB), and I have friends in Bagram AB Afghanistan, we have NOT seen any F-22 missions there.
This plane has been killed, it has never seen combat and its "stealth skin" melts in the rain. It suffers a critical failure every 1.7 hour of flight and for 1 hour in the air requires 30 hours of maintenace. It cant communicate with other planes. Its so lightly armored that it cannot withstand small arms fire, so it cant fly low. Plus it is not most manouvarable plane out there. SU-35, SU-37, MiG-35 and MiG-29 OVT are more manouvarable. Supercruising they have also. Sukhoi PAK FA is better.
@normison69 your a typicall russina idiot. the russinas cant detect stealth, hte skin doesnt melt in the fuking rain. and the f22 is way more maneuverable then all of those planes you mentioned
@ps3bandit8 First im not Russian so i can think more objectively than you who is biased towards F-22 like usual. Russian 4th++ gen planes can easily outmanouver F-22 in VISUAL RANGE COMBAT where your Stealth gives almost 0 advantage. Stealth does not make plane invisible it makes its radar signature just very small. So you are typical American idiot biased and brainwashed. There are many disadvantages on the Raptor that i cant even put all them on here listed. Pasific Vision is proof.
@ps3bandit8 F-22 has only 2D TVC as Russian 4++ gen jets have 3D TVC and they make them way much more manouvarable and F-35 is a joke that failed like F-22 that has seen no combat and it bankrupts your military every day it sits in hangar or flies, F-22s cant even communicate with other class fighters so they cannot be applied as attack fighters so only for defence purposes, they cannot operate on all weather conditions and on bad airstrips, their maintenace is nightmare etc etc.
@normison69 wow youir a true idiot, the only russian fighter that has 3d thrust vectoring is the su-50 whihc wont even get in range to detect an f35, so the f35 would shoot it down at about 60+nm away, and the f35/22 are FAMOUS for their ability to talk to all other classes of aircraft inculding, fighters, awacs, bombers, ew planes, ect. and while maintenence may not be alll theat great, all new generation stealht planes are all weather capable, learn wtf your talking about
@ps3bandit8 First, dont even compare F-35 to F-22 or even any 4th gen Russian jet, F-35 is NO LONGER IN DEVELOPMENT OR PRODUCTION IT WAS SO BAD F-35= EPIC FAIL. Secondly WTF is Su-50? Did you mean T-50 PAK FA wich specs are classified yet? MiG-29 OVT, MiG-35, SU-35, SU-37 and maybe even SU-33 & SU-30 ALL HAVE 3D thrust vectoring. F-35 project exists no more and comparing F-35 to F-22 is like comparing shitpile to good plane. No F-22 cant fly at low levels and cannot take off during bad weather.
@ps3bandit8 Really you havent been up to date in things...go learn first about F-35 wich is total shit and it was canned, learn also about Russian modern jets and F-22 is good plane, but it was put out of production too because it costs too much. U stil have 180+ F-22s but soon they too will be old days shit. F-22 will never see action unless somebody invades US. US should have spent on mon-stealth new fighter. You know that F-22 is one of those spending DISASTERs but its "good" plane (maybe)
This guy in this video only talks about the good things in planes, he talks about F35 wich CAN communicate with other non-stealth jets, but F-22 cannot. This is like watching TV shop and guy talks how good everything is. Really watch something and not some promo video. F-35 was total shit as fighter and was canned. F-22 is good as fighter but unproven, its DISASTER on its own and it was pulled out of production. Really go learn FACTS not propaganda video, really F-35 doesnt even exist anymore.
@ps3bandit8 I wont talk to some American redneck who talks about a plane like Su-50 wich does not even exist such plane in the world. MiG-35 and SU-35 & SU-37 all have 3D thrust vectoring and VERY powerful radar. Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will beat F-22 when it will enter mass production. But my converstation with someone that thinks that F-35 even stll exists, its over. So bye bye my American friend and please expand your knowledge beyond your borders first and not just buy the lies they spoonfeed you
@normison69 your a fuking idiot. do dome fuking research. the f35 cant and wont be canceled, the su50 is the only plane with 3d thrust vectoring, the mig35/su35 are no match against stealth aircraft, and learn wtf your talking baout. and im not a redneck, im black. and go fuk yourself, the soviet union lost the cold war.. deal with it
@ps3bandit8 This only proves how retard you are, talking about soviet union in 2012 year in wich USSR has not been around in 22 years. Even old modernized MiG-29 OVT with 3D thrust vectoring can pull such manouvers that F-22 can only dream of. There is no such plane as su50. SU-35 Russian Air Force primary fighter/bomber/interceptor today it HAS 3D thurst vectoring and so does MiG-35 and SU-37 and many others- You must live in somekind of fantasy thinking that F35 is good, its total shit.
@normison69 I sent you a few links that you should watch and are based on FACT not some guy behind computer screaming that USA planes are best and every other plane is crap. Just watch the links i sent you please, like about F-22, just goto ytube copy then paste the links after youtube.
/watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=colike
or the best video based on fact about F-35 and also F-22 and F-18:
/watchv=27qdB1D0s9M&feature=like-suggest
Please watch this 2 videos first, wich both are based on FACT.
@normison69 they arent based on fact, they are gay ass russina fanboys like you who are hating on america becuase were better. now stfu and go kill yourslef, no1 likes u
@ps3bandit8 Blah, your IQ is probably at mentally retarded level. True USA redneck inbred shit, Im really trying to be just objective and i try to know the facts from fiction, i never said that F-22 was bad, i even said it was good. But it has its problems. F-35 project no longer gets funding from anyone, (cuz F-35 sucked so bad) dunno about US. You are here the one claiming that US (fanboy) everything is best. Im only trying to explain that you live in a fantasy world created by your goverment.
@ps3bandit8 What American facts are not facts anymore or did the Aussies lie? Pasific Vision 2008 is proof that USA air superiority is just an illusion. Im not Russia nor US fanboy, but i would have liked to have had a civilized debate, but its impossible with an idiot. I was just trying to point out that F-35 is disaster wich nobody wants anymore and F-22 while being good plane, it will never see action unless USA is invaded. America is only better losing to smaller nations in war. BB & STFU!
@normison69 lol, no the australians are always hating on our technology, yet they still but it. so they need to stfu, and the f35 is the only fighter that stads a chance against the f22 so its no t a disaster. and the f22 can easily be deployed to europe or asia to deal wiht either russia china, or both
@ps3bandit8 Listen carefully. F-35 project no longer recieves any kind of funding, because its proven that its a very very bad plane. Its not stealth, it has only one engine, its flight manouvarability is same or worse than 3rd gen jet. Its only pros are electronics and VTOL. But it cannot fight other planes because it manouvers so badly during flight. F-35 JSF has been canned, cuz nobody is longer intrested in that jet, not even USAF. Facts are that its only improved Harrier that costs too much
@ps3bandit8 And just losing one F-22 to some SAM, stealth does not make you invisible aka Bosnia F-117 Nighthawk was shot down with a 30-40 years older Soviet SAM than the plane flying. Losing one F-22 is losing over 300 million dollars of money that includes not just the plane. Secondly modern Radars and SAMs make stealth only truly effective in 3rd world countries. Really, pull your head out of your ass. You have no knowledge even about your own planes whatsoever, say the least about WORLD.
@normison69 obviously u no nothing about modern history, the only reason the f117 was shoot down was bacause it opened its bomb bay doors which amplifies its rcs by a lot. however the f22/35 solved this problem, and no current or planned SAM will be able to detect the raptor anytime soon. so once again all enemies of the USA will bow before our might
@ps3bandit8 And the point learned from Bosnia? That no modern fighter jet Stealth is truly invisible to any radar at all ranges, It has just smaller radar signature and morern SAMs are way much better than ones that shot down F-117. Type in S-300 and S-400, especially S-400 its specs are classifed but its best anti-air or anti-cruise missile denfece.
@ps3bandit8 Based on what facts against Russian S-400, Pantsir and Iskander missiles? Plus Russians have very powerful radars, since US puts alot of money into their Navy. Russians with their huge land mass focus on building best Radar systems and anti-air defence missiles and tanks like T-90MS"Tagil". Because they have to fight a land war if ever invaded again and in nuclear area USA has nothing even comparable to Topol-M or NATO code SS-27 Sickle wich can be also used to launch satellites BYE
@normison69 our abrams would fuck up the t-90 considering its just an upgraded t72, and we all see wat the abrams did to the t72 in desert strom, and the minuteman 3 launches satelites 2. and unlike russia, we can afford our own independent satelitte launch platforms. and the Trident II D-5 would demolish the SS-27 before it even launched from its silo or its mobile lauch erector
@ps3bandit8 Topol-M or SS-27 is 5th gen ICBM wich is something that USA does not have, SS-27 cannot be detected by satellites only after its been already launched, in flight it constantly changes flight trajectory and USA currently has nothing to defend against it, when it nears its targets it shoots 7 nuclear warheads of wich 4 are dummy heads just so you cant shoot down the 3 real ones so easily, SS-27 is considered by NATO to be the best ICBM in the world today. U cant find them b4 launch.
@normison69 Its ready to lauch in 2 minutes...i dont know but Russia is big and there is no missile or cruise missile that can reach it in 2 minutes, especially when SS-27 is undetectable before it launches.
@ps3bandit8 PATRIOT is a joke compared even to old S-300 and could never shoot down SS-27 or even modern fighter, no current american system can shoot it down because it flies sub-orbit, your missiles cant reach that high plus it changes its flight trajectory constantly without any logic so no computer can calculate its flight path, now on target, still in sub-orbit, it shoots 7 warheads of wich 4 are dummy to fool your systems more. SS-27 is best and only 5th gen ICBM. NATO says it not me.
@normison69 the minuteman 3 can launch in under 1 minute, and its not undetectable, we all know where they are. and we have something called the X-51 whihc travels at mach 8 whioch is supersonic, so if we launch it from alaska, your ss-27s are done
@normison69 wtf do u mean we cant find. ITS IN A HUGE ASS SILO... how the fuk can we not find it. we know the airbase thats its at, and which silos they are in. and the mobile ones, its comon knowledge that russia puts all of their mobile ICBMs in the ural mountains and siberia, so all we have to do is drop a few high yield nukes, and there goes 90% of your nuclear aresonal. and we have things called exo-atmospheric ABMs . and they intercept the ICBM before it MIRV's
@normison69 HOLY SHIT YOU ARE THE BIGGEST RETARD IN HUMAN HISTORY. the f22 can perform all 4 maneuvers that define super-manueverability. the pugachevs cobra, the kublit manuever, the j-turn, and the herbest manuever. the only other plane that can do all 4 is the su37, but thats not even a production fighter,s o it doesnt count. the mig29 OVT isnt evan a match for an f15, which has shot down 14 of them. and the only plane production plane with 3d thrust vectoring is the su50. so STFU
@ps3bandit8 Erm the US has shot down MiG-29s stripped export variant made in 80s without any modernization whatsoever and flown by Iraqi badly trained pilots, they were not MiG-29 OVTs and there are only 2-3 MiG OVTs and its now MiG-35 going into production. SU-35 has 3D TVC and its mass production plane. So has SU-27M wich is upgraded version of SU-27. Still what the fuck is su50? This your su50 makes u look like an idiot, cuz such plane doesnt exsicst, T-50 maybe? But not in massproduction.
@ps3bandit8 After this im not talking to you anymore, if F-22s could be deployed anywhere then why only conventional planes that either dont require a super smooth, long and super clean runway with perfect weather or can be launched from Aircraft Carrier. Why is not F-22 seen a single second of real combat then? Because it cannot be deployed in 90% of the world, only USA, maybe Europe. Cuz maintenance is nightmare, 30hrs for 1hr of flight, its cheaper to send Aircraft Carrier than couple F-22s.
@ps3bandit8 First im not Russian so i can think more objectively than you who is biased towards F-22 like usual. Russian 4th++ gen planes with 3D TVC can easily outmanouver F-22 with 2D TVC in VISUAL RANGE COMBAT where Stealth gives almost 0 advantage. Stealth does not make plane invisible, its radar signature just very small. So you are typical American idiot biased and brainwashed. There are many disadvantages on the Raptor that i cant even put all them on here listed. Pasific Vision is proof
Just watch the F22 fly with thrust vectors. Its funny how the nose is pointing up but still flying forward due to momentum and so on till the jets engine or whatever thrust kicks in enough to get the jet going in the direction haha.
The F-15 and F-16 have the first and second best known overall combat records of modern jet fighters. F-15s have a claimed combat record of 101 victories and zero losses in actual air to air combat and am sure the F-22 and F-35's will do as well if not better in protecting the interests of not only the U.S.A but our allies as well
Beautiful. It sure helps that we have the most advanced (although its the most expensive) fighter in the world, or one of the most, to guard our county against threat from the air. Keep up the amazing work, Lockeed!
F22 and F35 have the best stealth of any fighter but planes like the su-37 would have the advantage over them when in comes to a classic dog fight a Su-37 can out manuver any aircraft with its 360 degree thrust vectoring nozzles f22 has thrust vectoring but they only go up and down a su 37 can use thrust vectroing anywhere at 360 degrees but the chances of a f22 going into a classic dog fight is rare and the su-37 would never get close enough to them.
Yes, ours and lets keep it ours USA, dont go giving these to country that say we are you allies. Give them the old f16s, f18. Give them our support not our fighters.
I've got a feeling the f-22 and f-35 will be sold to every country that is a democracy in 10 years from now because America will be that desperate for money. Plus has anyone else heard that china is developing a fighter just like the F-35?
In Years to come our "enemies" will be flying these jets because the government will sell them to them and you will be praising the new instruments of death used to destroy the old ones. Monkey like!
The F22 fails so hard now. 34 hours maintenance for 2.1 hours flight. Rust problems so rain is a problem. The structure design is wrong and so freqenst frame stress causes cracks. Avionics problems in things like communication, control surface deflection and canopy release. Caused a pilot to be stuck inside for 6 hours (what if he needs to eject?). Less than half of all bought F22s are operational. F15s are starting to replace them again as the f22s are too unreliable for US air defence needs!!
some things that the pilot said are not strictly true - the two things that immediately come to mind is that the f-22 can go faster and higher than any aircraft in the world.. the MiG-31 is better than the f-22 in both respects. but still, i liked the short presentation of these amazing aircraft
@Urbanfresh445 actually these socalled 5th generation aircrafts are usless in the modern battelfield the f-35 has too shot wings and is too fat making is unmenuverable it would loose a dog fight eazily and it cant do close quarters because of its light skin it can be shot down eazily its supposed to be a money saver but that failed too its still in testing but so far its terrible i dont know anything bout the f-22 but i hope its good so far i hear they are terrible
@randomdude10010 I THE CRUZ is out selling Honda and Toyota compact cars.. My son loves his...As do 2 other people, I know that switched from the civic..
@TheChristianRight09 Good for them...I still felt like the rear seat was too cramped and the ride wasn't good at and the steering was numb and unresponsive.
@randomdude10010 Apparently the majority of people would disagree.....I thought it handled like a little sports car,and we were able to put 2 car seats in the back and one of my teens in the rear seat..
@ps3bandit8 I don't live in Russia, I live in France dipshit. Strasbourg, more specifically.
Owninatlife 1 day ago
@Owninatlife stfu, we all no that the french are nothing but quiters who envy the USA
ps3bandit8 23 hours ago
@normison69 Can we PLEASE debate on a different channel, without this guy who can't differentiate planes and helicopters?
Owninatlife 1 day ago
@Owninatlife atfu, no1 wants u here, normision and i are actually enjoying our debate without u present
ps3bandit8 23 hours ago
@ps3bandit8 No, I asked normison. Your opinion means little to NOTHING to me considering you don't even take the time to spell your words right. And 4th generation tank gear doesnt exist. And the RA-66 would make a good plane? It's a HELICOPTER made by Sikorsky, a company that engineers HELICOPTERS!!!
Owninatlife 1 day ago
@Owninatlife well fuck u too, u gay faggot communis, i hope u get killed in an uprising byu the normison's of the world. and plane helicopter, same fuking thing, and the m1a3 will be the worlds first 4th gen tank, just like the f22 was the worlds first 4th gen plane. now go choke on a penis, no1 wants u in our arguement
ps3bandit8 1 day ago
Oh...*sniffle*.........well then can you at least agree or disagree with my earlier helicopter rankings?
Owninatlife 2 days ago
Well, in that case, attack helicopter wise, I think that 1st Is Eurocopter Tiger, 2nd is Mi-24 Hind-F. Transport wise, I think 1st is OV-22 War Osprey, 2nd is KA-60 Kasaka, and 3rd is RA-66 Comanche. That's just my opinion. Btw, the M1A3 Abrams has trials being released, and it has 3rd Generation targeting and weaponry. The M1A2SEP already has 3rd gen decayed uranium/steel laminate reactive armor.
Owninatlife 2 days ago
@Owninatlife the m1a3 will have 4th gen armor and weaponry
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 Yea but USA (Obama) just cut its military budget by 1/3rd wich is pretty fucking much, so it will take ages before it will be in mass production, while Russia just threw 600 billion dollars at modernizing their military and still i dont live in Russia i live in a country next to Russia called Finland and i have served in Finnish army for 1 year (mandatory service) and Finland has AAA credit rating and is in top3 countries in quality of life standards. So my view is way more objective
normison69 1 day ago
@normison69 lol, russia's gdp ius 1.48 trillion, they didnt spend 600 billion in modernization, and we didnt cut our military spending by 1/3, we cut it by 4 billion from 2012-2013, once again do some research. and finland is one the poorest excuses 4 a defecne force in all of europe. and ironically enough, your countries frontline fighter is AMERICAN made, so u should be proud that my country defends your from those drukern Ruskies
ps3bandit8 1 day ago
@ps3bandit8 Russia just did spend 600 billion into their army modernization 2011 or 2012, and that is a fact, it might not be in one big sum but many payments. As for Finland goes, we BEAT USSR in 1939 & 1944 TWICE! Finland is not part of NATO and our capital is one of USAs nuclear strike targets if cold war had ever got hot and still is, so you dont protect us shit. We beat any invader. But my point was that my view is more objective than yours, im not biased by American or Russian propaganda.
normison69 1 day ago
@normison69 ok, if u say so
ps3bandit8 23 hours ago
@ps3bandit8 I think our country is no-ones bitch, we are in EU so we cant be "Russias" or "US" bitches also cuz we are not in NATO, we have beaten Russia in WW2 when they tiwce invaded our country, we did not run we fought and caused the so much casualties to Soviets that they were forced to negotiate. I think i know a country that i have lived for 27 years better than you do Don't argue me on Finland please,. debate military tech, Russia or anything else but Finland because i know better it.
normison69 14 hours ago
@normison69 ok, well im out of stuff now. new topic ?
ps3bandit8 5 hours ago
@ps3bandit8 This shows how bad you know the world outside and inside USA. Finland DOES NOT HAVE FRONTLINE FIGHTERS, its army is FDF or Finish DEFENCE Force that is USED ONLY FOR DEFENCE. We HAD maybe dozen PEACEKEEPRS in Afghanistan but their role was very different from US SOLDIERS, they were not allowed to do raids or shoot unless they were shot upon first, only monitor peace. Finland has weaponry from around the world plus patriotic. USA does not help us shit because we are not in NATO!
normison69 1 day ago
@normison69 so basically wat your saying is that finland is Russia's bitch ?
ps3bandit8 23 hours ago
@Owninatlife i agree iwht the osprey, but u cant really concider that a helicopter, the camanchee would have been a BOSS plane, if it was adopted, and the mi-24 is worth less than my shit on a battlefield
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 Thats why its either modernized Mi-24 or new Mi-35 today, its pretty good for spec op missions where you need extraction from a bad situation with fire support at the same time, it has saved many Spetsnaz soldiers from shitty situations in Chechnya since its also the most heavily armored chopper in the world you cant penetrate its hull with even 50.cal or 12.7mm guns. Its very good multi-purpose chopper wich NATO has no analogue to it.
normison69 1 day ago
@normison69 nato my not, but the USA does, the ch53-k, the biggest helicopter in the world
ps3bandit8 1 day ago
@ps3bandit8 We use our own produced version from AK (RK-95 newer and RK-62 older) as our standard battle rifle, we use many Russian BMP-2s and IFVs and tracked artillery howitzers 155mm and 122mm, modernized T-72s alongside with new Leopard 2s bought just when i was doing my service. Plus we use our own weapons manufacturers like PASI IFVs. Our service is mandatory for every man. Only US we have F-18 super hornets. If we wanted "protection" we would have joined NATO. So how do you protect us?
normison69 1 day ago
@normison69 no need , because russia views your country as property, so theyll protect u. so basically Finland is russias bitch
ps3bandit8 23 hours ago
HAHAHAH now you guys are arguing about helicopters XD oh god I'm dying!! Here, do any of you have the palringo app for iTunes? Let's debate there, for a more civilized debate.
Owninatlife 2 days ago
@Owninatlife No that guy does not believe that of ALL casualties in Iraq wich are about 1 million dead are 90% civillians, he thinks i mean that USA killed 90% of Iraqs total population, same in vietnam 3 million dead of wich 70% were civillians and rest soldiers or fighters. I would debate more civilized but that moron is so brainwashed by US propaganda that he probably thinks that Iran has nukes. He constantly misunderstands me and tells his "research" then suddenly changes his opinions. WTF!?
normison69 2 days ago
Anyway, how about we let bygones be bygones and let this dipshit spam the hell out of this vid. I, for one, am having to constantly take Tylenols for the migraines this guy gives me :)
Owninatlife 3 days ago
@Owninatlife I feel your pain man...he is a total retard is perfect American idiot stereotype why the world thinks of USA lame, is that guy and guys like him, he is as ignorant as G.W.Bush. Next he will say that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 or maybe there were WMDs in Iraq or still are. US government knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq before they attacked it and that it had nothing to do with 9/11, even Osama Bin-Laden was not wanted for 9/11by FBI and he even always denied his involment
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 no, no, no, you didn't understand me. I was just referring to Stalins bullshit between WW2 and Korea, and their willingness to nuke the U.S. during 'nam and the Cold War. And the whole "murderous savages" thing was more metaphorical than anything.
Owninatlife 3 days ago
Frankly, I'm bored of arguing about tanks on an informational YouTube video about a jet. So call me and normison vodka swigging Bolshevik pinko commies or something, whatever pleases you.
Owninatlife 3 days ago
@Owninatlife I have nothing against you except your stupid statement that Soviets killed during "cold war" children and women. You confused it with USA carpet bombings, Agent Orange and not-so precise "smart" Cruise missiles. Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and soon Iran. USA bombs and DU weapons kill also in long term. Those countries have never attacked USA. Only during Stalins era there were purges in USSR and only minor shit after. That ps3bandit is stereotypical USA idiot.
normison69 3 days ago
@ps3bandit9 LOLZ. Whatever. You seem hell bent on proving that you'd rather listen to American propaganda then legit facts. Even CBS news has said that nearly 50 Abrams tanks have been killed by roadside IEDs in Afghanistan, and they're die hard ignorant people.
Owninatlife 3 days ago
@Owninatlife He really is ignorant and he lives in fantasy world create spoon fed propaganda to him. You are on the spot on that guy he makes the stereotypical American idiot, wich has no real knowledge about anything even inside hes own country. Most US news show only fragments of US losses in Iraq and Afghanistan because they do not want to scare soldiers going there and their parents plus weapons sales would go low. UK cancelled Challenger 2 production because of such high losses in Iraq.
normison69 3 days ago
Im getting off this stupid American ignorance channel where everything made in USA is indestructible and best. Ok T-90MS is "just" T-72 and Russians murdrer children and women on daily basis. You dont know shit you stupid idiots, Only during Stalins era there were mass murders and they were against MEN not children and During Stalins era 1.5-3 million SOVIET people were murdered after Stalin there were no "atrocities" only ones by USA (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan)
normison69 3 days ago
@normison69 yea, russia killing thousand of people in hungary chechnia, and the czech repuplic because they dont want to be apart of the soviet unioin totally isnt an attroicity. stfu your just a fuking idiot who makes up shit, and doest do any actual research
ps3bandit8 3 days ago
@ps3bandit8 What did you do to Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? and plan Iran? Russia defends only its border from terrorist, human traffic, narcotics and weapon trafficing scum Chechnya mercenaries who are not even Chechens. Russia has never attacked Hungary or Chech republic, it was fucking Soviet Union then, and killing thousands is nothing compared to how many people US have killed after WW2 of innocent countries like Vietnam. What Iraq did ever do to you? You still live in cold war era moron.
normison69 3 days ago
Does this look anything like T-72 export variants used in Iraq with their 70s ammuntion? Watch this its new 2011 Russian MBT T-90MS "Tagil":
/watch?v=WszQUqEpTeU
normison69 3 days ago
@normison69 it doesnt matter wehat it looks like, if the russian goverment calls it a t72, its a T fuking 72
ps3bandit8 3 days ago
@ps3bandit8 What the fuck? Then what is T-90? Russian goverment calls it T-90S and T-90MS and they are T-90 and T-90MS super moderenized T-90S/MS is their MBT with T-80U(b) and T-72 is out of production long ago. . They call T-72 a T-72 and its not fucking same thing as T-90 or especially T-90MS. It has 90% different everything. From engine.armor, protective systems, weapons, turret and electronincs. Only the improved chassis & improved autoloader remain. You even contradict your own statements.
normison69 3 days ago
The M1A2 is in full production. It's armor has been completely sufficient in afganistan, as it's steel laminate/ decayed uranium reactive armor can survive virtually anything save a direct hit from a 275mm rocket. However, it is heavy, gas gussling, and very expensive. The T-90 has superior weaponry and targeting systems, though.
Owninatlife 5 days ago
@Owninatlife Plus he claims that not a single Abrams tank has ever been destroyed. Just type in search: WAR IS HELL pictures of destroyed Abrams tanks
Id rather beleive the 100 or so pictures of destroyed Abrams tanks shown there than his "research". Really ive never met someone so dumb as him. Finally someone with a reason. I will shut up but he wont because he is and idiot who does not know anything outside America. Im not being even biased towards any country but he is.
normison69 3 days ago
@Owninatlife no, it doesnt. the 120 smoothbore of the abrams has a longer range than the t90, and the abrams has the best targeting systems in the world, and that is confirmed by multiple goverments
ps3bandit8 3 days ago
Shut UP you two. Ok I researched both tanks and here's what I found: The T-72 is no longer in production by manufacturers. It was replaced by the T-90, which has superior steel laminate armor, weaponry, and targeting systems. The M1 and M1A1 Abrams aren't being made anymore either.
Owninatlife 5 days ago
@Owninatlife Yes but that retard keeps saying that T-90 is same thing 100% as T-72 LOL!!!! Why then T-90MS DOES NOT EVEN LOOK LIKE T-72?!!!
normison69 3 days ago
Forgive me if that sounded racist. A friend of mine was born in and spent the first 10 years of his life in Russia, and he's a good person. I'm only referring to their atrocities from the end of WW2 to the Cold War.
Owninatlife 6 days ago
@ps3bandit Yet ANOTHER instance of comment misreading. I was simply saying that T-50s are good, but F-22s are lightyears ahead of Sukhoi. And most Russians are savages who murder women and children indiscriminately.
Owninatlife 6 days ago
No, T-90MS "Tagil" is not just upgraded T-72, its new 2011 Russian tank and is much diffrent even from normal T-90. Nope, Abrams would be underdog ggainst T-90MS"Tagol" You US fought in Iraqi 19070s export variants T-72 downgraded versions that used 1970s ammo with Iraqis as drivers. T-90MS has nothing that Abrams doesnt have, except their armor is has different layout. It has more protective and offensive features than Abrams. Type in "search" : T-90MS "Tagil".
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 you just wont research facts will u? the t90ms is just a variant of the t90. this is confirmed by the russian goverment so.... wtf are u talking about. and the t90 of any varient has no chance against any abrams, the abrams will never be an aunderdog against anything that russia can or will produce in the near future
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 No you are wrong in that, they for example i think Leopard 2 is better than Abrams and maybe even T-90. But there was unofficial contest in Abu Dhabi weapons exhibit. T-90 won it 100% hits, Leopard 2 came second: one missed shot, Abrams broke down during its march section of competition. Modern T90s have better reach than Abrams, they can shoot laser guided missiles from their 125mm smoothbore and they they have everything that Abrams has and more, except the armor is made different
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 so i researched your "abu dhabi" tank competition, u made that up. the t-90s maximum range firing an AT shell is 2,200 yards, the abrams is 4,400 yards, thats double the t-90s range. and the abrams can easily jam any incoming missile the t90 fires, wiht its softkill anti-missile system. so the t90 deosnt have better range, the abrams has 20x better protection seeing as how its taken direct 125mm hits and still continued to fight. but a 120mm would blow up a t90
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 No i did not make that up, it was UNOFFICIAL. Second T90 can fire laser guided missiles from its smoothbore gun wich have 5-6km range wich way farther than Abrams can fire. Abrams has "thicker" armor, but T90 has smaller profile wich is very important and it has reactive armor, Shtora, ERA and other protective systems so it cannot be hit. T90 was shot by 125mm MODERN shells 6 times in the front armor and it could continue to drive and its armor was not penetrated. GET UR FACTS RIGHT
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 I sent you a final video to stop your bullshit claims, you are only watching the PR and not reality. Your goverment tells you lies that your weapons are best simply because USA is so war mongering country that your soldiers need to sleep well knowing that their tech is best while actually its not. Leopard 2 is the best tank second best is T-90MS "Tagil" and third is MAYBE Abrams. Now i wont answer anymore to you who lives in a fictional world where only USA has the "best" everything
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 your the fuking idiot who believes the fucking hardliners in the kremlin, and we all no everything they say is a load of shit. if you knew anything, you would know that the abrams is the best MBT in the world, and it havs been combat proven, the challenger 2 is second seing as how it has also been combat proven. now stop wiht the bullshit and catch up with reality
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Again its not combat proven against MODERN TANKS with MODERN SHELLS. Leopard 2 is the best and its a German tanks, so im not biased or beieve any certain direction, im just tired of the whole US has the best everything is the best shit. Challenger 2 is a joke compared even to Abrams Cya bias boy who cant pull his head form his ass and view the world not only from any other perspective than everything US is the best. Why then u have to fly to ISS on Russian Space Rockets even nowdays?
normison69 6 days ago
@normison69 it is provn against modern tanks, it beat the t72, the most widely used tank in the world, and the t90 is nothing but a t72, so the abrams is beter than the t90 by default. and the leopard 2 isnt combat provn either, and they wont beat an abrams in any way . the challenger can do circles around the leopard 2. and we use russian spaceplanes because we are 2 busy buliding even faster better space planes. and the us makes the best studd because america is the best
ps3bandit8 6 days ago
@ps3bandit8 IT BEAT in the 70s SOLD EXPORT VARIANT T-72. THERE IS NOTHING MODERN ABOUT IT, WITH 70s AMMO: STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN IDIOT INBRED FUCKING MORON WHO DOESNT SEE SHIT FROM SHIT. T-90 IS NOT JUST T-72, ITS CHASSIS IS ONLY T-72s EVERYTHING ELSE IS NEW, NEW ARMOR; NEW TURRET AND WEAPON AND NEW PROTECTION MEASURES AND NEW ELECTRONICS NEW AMMUNITON AND NEW ENGINE. ABRAMS IS LOSER TO EVEN RPG-7 IF HIT IN THE RIGHT SPOT OR MACHINE GUN FIRE CAN DISABLE IT YOU COCKSUCKER!!!
normison69 6 days ago
@normison69 stfu, your a huge fuking idiot 4 even suggesting machine gun fire can stop an abrams, chobham armour survived 23 rpg hits in live combat back in the intial invasion of iraq, the t90 cant survive 1 rpg hit successfully, made 2 if it has reactive armour, and the russian goverment agknowledges the t90 as nothing mour than a t72 considering its initial production name was the t-72BU. so stfu and learn wat your talking about u stupid brainwashed drink excuse 4 a human.
ps3bandit8 6 days ago
@ps3bandit8 Keep living in your fantasy world where all that is American is best and everything else is shit, Leopard 2 is the best tank in the world second is T-90MS wich has probably like only 15% of the original T-72 parts on it and its chassis only, not armor, gun electronics or protective systems. Abrams has a weakspot wich was discovered in Iraq that can disable the whole tank with one RPG-7 or heavy caliber machine gun. There are probably hundreds of destroyed Abrams rusting in Iraq.
normison69 5 days ago
@normison69 qwll id u did some research, u would know not a single abrams was destroyed by hositiles in human history, not in gulf war 1,2 or kosovo. thousands of t72s have been destroyes, and NATO exersized have proven the abrams much better than the leopard and all of its varients, and the t90 is nothing but a t72, there is no "15%" IT IS A T72. all they did was add a few useless feature considering that offensive armament of the abrams can bypass all of the defecnces of the t90
ps3bandit8 5 days ago
@ps3bandit8 TNow you are just being retarded, there are HUNDREDS destroyed Abrams tanks rusting in Iraq after the Second Iraq war. Just type in the SEARCH:
WAR IS HELL pictures of destroyed Abrams tanks
normison69 3 days ago
@normison69 y dont u actually do some research. only 23 abrams have been put out of avtion, and 1 destroyed. and non of the 23 were destroyed by hostile action.y dont u google Abrmas, and so some fuking research. your such a fuking idiot, stop making up shit
ps3bandit8 3 days ago
@ps3bandit8 You previously said that NO ABRAMS WERE EVER DESTROYED and now you say SOME ARE WERE DESTROYED? Abrams has never fought 3rd generation tanks like T-90 or Leopard 2 only 2nd gen T-72s made in 70s export variants. US will never reveal true destroyed numbers. You really are dumbfuck that you say one thing then you say another that contradicts your last thing, stay behind your words or SHUT THE FUCK UP. Next you will say that T-80 is same as T-72 or T-90 cannot fire up to 5km missiles
normison69 3 days ago
@normison69 if u read, u would know that i said no abrmas were destroyed BY HOSTILE ACTION, . and neither the t90 ot leopard 2 have fought third gen tanks, and they havent even seen combat, whereas the abrams has already been though 3 wars. and wtf do u mean that the us wont reveal true numbers destroyes? this isnt a fuking conspiracy, 23 were destroyed and thats fact. and the abrams wont need 5km ATGMs when well have air superiority for our helo's
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 How then do you explain the HUNDREDS of pictures of Destroyed Abrams tanks seen on Youtube, plus its clear in those pics that many of them were destroyed by RPGs not only IEDs. Do you really think that your government reveals 100% facts about Iraq and Afghanistan to the public? I will send you UK&US made documentary about WAR and PROPAGANDA so you may understand it better why your government lies to you. Oh and Russians have one of best attack helos too, like Mi-28, Mi-35 and Ka-52
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 Also why if there is no "lies" in your country and no "media manipulation" then why did you invade Iraq when your government knew that there were no WMDs in Iraq even prior to the invasion and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 twin towers. Why did your government lied to your US people, US soldiers and rest of the world that Iraq had WMDs while they knew that there were not any? Answer me this please first before claiming that your gov speaks only the truth about everything.
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 damn your dumb , they have different angles and pictures of disables abrams. y dont u look up research rather than look at pictures, its just like vladmir putin, there are thousands of pictures of him, but that doesnt mean there are 100 vladimir putins. and the apache/black hawk combo will uterly demolish the mi-28/52, and the mi24/35 are transport helicopters. and our CH-53k beats all transport heilicopers
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 Mi-24/35 are combination of gunship and transport helicopter wich NATO has no counterpart. Apache is on parrel with Mi-28 or KA-52 it would depend on the skills of the pilots that fight. Russian Mi-28 an Ka-50-52 helicopters have ejection seats wich US helicopters do not have. They are completely different M1 tanks, i would not watch of pictures of same tanks from different angles, wich i would notice eventually or instantly. Those are pictures of different destroyed Abrams 100%
normison69 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 Im dumb? Your are dumb and blind to the truth that your government is No1 TERRORIST OF THE WORLD. Did you know that civillian casualties were just 10% in WW1 then they were 50% in WW2 then they were in Vietnam 70% 3 million total dead Vietnamese people and now they are 90% in Iraq with one million dead and their infrastructure destroyed like in Afghanistan. Pull your head from your ass and stop believing your government PROPAGANDA! Land of the free my ass! Patriot act is not freedom.
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 once again your making up statistics, ww1 experience the most casualties of anywar, in part because of the spanish flue. ww2 is the 2nd most deadly, in vietnam, we killed 12million people. thats not 70% of their population. and there is no fuking way in hell that we have killed 90% of iraq's population, you dont even make sinec. its not propaganda, your just hating that your not american
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 You misunderstood me, they are not stats but FACTS! They are about 90% amount of civillians against 10% soldiers of overall dead during the whole war, same in Vietnam 70% civs and 30% soldiers. NOT FUCKING 90% or 70% of the whole country pouplation but civillian casualties vs enemy soldiers overall. What about Iraq WMDs? They were100% propaganda! I live in a country with AAA credit rating and US has only AA credit rating so i dont even want to live in your shitty warmongering country
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 russia has an "A" credit rating, it doesnt matter what your credit rating is, my countries economy is stil at least 5x bigger than yours
ps3bandit8 2 days ago
@ps3bandit8 And i have said that i do not live in Russia, but in a country that is in TOP3 countries with quality of life and we fought and won against Soviets in 1939 and 1943-44.
Thats why my view is more objective than yous, ive served in my countrys Army, We in the EU atleast see trough your USA government lies. My sources are: Youtube, Wikipedia, independent journalists, Amnesty international, UN and NATO and Russian Air forces and army. What are your "sources" of your "research"? Tell plz
normison69 1 day ago
@ps3bandit8 Sorry, you were right that T-72UB was the first name of T-90 but that was in 1993 when it was "just ´modernized" that did not pick up due to bad financial situation then in Russia. But then in 1999 Russia made almost completely new MBT with welded turret, a tank called T-90A "Vladimir" wich is current Russian MBT serving in Russia and its combat proven too, it has survived 7 direct RPG hits in 2nd Chechen war and remained 100% functional. No T-90A has been destroyed, or so they say.
normison69 1 day ago
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@ps3bandit8 Russia just did spend 600 billion into their army modernization 2011 or 2012, and that is a fact, it might not be in one big sum but many payments, Russia has 5x untapped resources of US. Finland BEAT USSR in 1939 & 1944 TWICE! Finland is not part of NATO and our capital is one of USAs nuclear strike targets if cold war had ever got hot and still is, so you dont protect us shit. My point was that my view is more objective than yours, im not biased by American or Russian propaganda.
normison69 1 day ago
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@ps3bandit8 How then do you explain the HUNDREDS of pictures of Destroyed Abrams tanks seen on Youtube, plus its clear in those pics that many of them were destroyed by RPGs not only IEDs. Do you really think that your government reveals 100% facts about Iraq and Afghanistan to the public? I will send you UK&US made documentary about WAR and PROPAGANDA so you may understand it better why your government lies to you. Oh and Russians have one of best attack helos too, like Mi-28, Mi-35 and Ka-52
normison69 2 days ago
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@ps3bandit8 Mi-24/35 are combination of gunship and transport helicopter wich NATO has no counterpart. Apache is on parrel with Mi-28 or KA-52 it would depend on the skills of the pilots that fight. Russian Mi-28 & Ka-52 helicopters have ejection seats wich US helicopters do not have. In those pics they are completely different Abrams tanks 100% sure, i would not watch of pictures of same tanks from different angles, wich i would notice instantly. They are damaged or spray marked differently!!
normison69 2 days ago
@normison69 your right! just one question though, which aircraft would you claim to be the best?
thatguyovrthr1 1 week ago
@AnimusPipboy Reread his comment. He's basically saying that while Russia brags about how their T-50's and PAK-FAs kick ass (which they do), in real combat they are to the F-22 as a Kia Soul is to a brand new Ferrari.
Owninatlife 2 weeks ago
@Owninatlife wtf are you talking about, the su50's are trash, theyve never been combat tested and the russinas have already admited that it cant match the perfomance of the f22 on any level. so stfu and go frink dome vodka u gay faggot communist
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
lets make 1,000 more of both these and forget about anyone else in the world who pretends to fly their baby toys
timotomtime1 1 month ago
Why not thru making f22 in to uav?
justfly60482 1 month ago
@imporacer forgive me, my information was partially incorrect. Most of the combat that the F-22 has seen is simulated, although it has seen actually seen legitimate combat in 2009 (or it might've been '08 or '10, I need to check my facts again) over the Russian/American border in Alaska, when it intercepted Russian Tu-95 bombers. It had, though, achieved unimaginable feats in simulated combat against "Red force aggressors" flying F-15s and F-16s. It's lack of actual combat experience is mostly
Owninatlife 2 months ago
@Normison69 you are partially right. It is very expensive and expensive to maintain, however it HAS in fact seen combat on multiple frontiers and exceeds all expectations (I'm referring to the F-22). While Miyogan-Guerivich (MiG) fighters and most Sukhoi (Su) are more maneuverable, you rarely ever see F22s in conventional dogfights, as their radar and missile tracking ranges far exceed that of any other fighter. So in a way it depends on what you consider good.
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imporacer 2 months ago
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@Owninatlife When/where did F-22 go to combat? Last time I check that it can't go to combat because it's pilots are getting hypoxia from faulty life supports systems, and they've been grounded for 5 months (which just recently lifted). The farthest they've been on a deployment is Okinawa, Japan. I've been to Iraq (Balad AB, Talil AB), and I have friends in Bagram AB Afghanistan, we have NOT seen any F-22 missions there.
imporacer 2 months ago
This plane has been killed, it has never seen combat and its "stealth skin" melts in the rain. It suffers a critical failure every 1.7 hour of flight and for 1 hour in the air requires 30 hours of maintenace. It cant communicate with other planes. Its so lightly armored that it cannot withstand small arms fire, so it cant fly low. Plus it is not most manouvarable plane out there. SU-35, SU-37, MiG-35 and MiG-29 OVT are more manouvarable. Supercruising they have also. Sukhoi PAK FA is better.
normison69 2 months ago
@normison69 your a typicall russina idiot. the russinas cant detect stealth, hte skin doesnt melt in the fuking rain. and the f22 is way more maneuverable then all of those planes you mentioned
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 First im not Russian so i can think more objectively than you who is biased towards F-22 like usual. Russian 4th++ gen planes can easily outmanouver F-22 in VISUAL RANGE COMBAT where your Stealth gives almost 0 advantage. Stealth does not make plane invisible it makes its radar signature just very small. So you are typical American idiot biased and brainwashed. There are many disadvantages on the Raptor that i cant even put all them on here listed. Pasific Vision is proof.
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 F-22 has only 2D TVC as Russian 4++ gen jets have 3D TVC and they make them way much more manouvarable and F-35 is a joke that failed like F-22 that has seen no combat and it bankrupts your military every day it sits in hangar or flies, F-22s cant even communicate with other class fighters so they cannot be applied as attack fighters so only for defence purposes, they cannot operate on all weather conditions and on bad airstrips, their maintenace is nightmare etc etc.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 wow youir a true idiot, the only russian fighter that has 3d thrust vectoring is the su-50 whihc wont even get in range to detect an f35, so the f35 would shoot it down at about 60+nm away, and the f35/22 are FAMOUS for their ability to talk to all other classes of aircraft inculding, fighters, awacs, bombers, ew planes, ect. and while maintenence may not be alll theat great, all new generation stealht planes are all weather capable, learn wtf your talking about
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 First, dont even compare F-35 to F-22 or even any 4th gen Russian jet, F-35 is NO LONGER IN DEVELOPMENT OR PRODUCTION IT WAS SO BAD F-35= EPIC FAIL. Secondly WTF is Su-50? Did you mean T-50 PAK FA wich specs are classified yet? MiG-29 OVT, MiG-35, SU-35, SU-37 and maybe even SU-33 & SU-30 ALL HAVE 3D thrust vectoring. F-35 project exists no more and comparing F-35 to F-22 is like comparing shitpile to good plane. No F-22 cant fly at low levels and cannot take off during bad weather.
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Really you havent been up to date in things...go learn first about F-35 wich is total shit and it was canned, learn also about Russian modern jets and F-22 is good plane, but it was put out of production too because it costs too much. U stil have 180+ F-22s but soon they too will be old days shit. F-22 will never see action unless somebody invades US. US should have spent on mon-stealth new fighter. You know that F-22 is one of those spending DISASTERs but its "good" plane (maybe)
normison69 1 week ago
This guy in this video only talks about the good things in planes, he talks about F35 wich CAN communicate with other non-stealth jets, but F-22 cannot. This is like watching TV shop and guy talks how good everything is. Really watch something and not some promo video. F-35 was total shit as fighter and was canned. F-22 is good as fighter but unproven, its DISASTER on its own and it was pulled out of production. Really go learn FACTS not propaganda video, really F-35 doesnt even exist anymore.
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 I wont talk to some American redneck who talks about a plane like Su-50 wich does not even exist such plane in the world. MiG-35 and SU-35 & SU-37 all have 3D thrust vectoring and VERY powerful radar. Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA will beat F-22 when it will enter mass production. But my converstation with someone that thinks that F-35 even stll exists, its over. So bye bye my American friend and please expand your knowledge beyond your borders first and not just buy the lies they spoonfeed you
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 your a fuking idiot. do dome fuking research. the f35 cant and wont be canceled, the su50 is the only plane with 3d thrust vectoring, the mig35/su35 are no match against stealth aircraft, and learn wtf your talking baout. and im not a redneck, im black. and go fuk yourself, the soviet union lost the cold war.. deal with it
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 This only proves how retard you are, talking about soviet union in 2012 year in wich USSR has not been around in 22 years. Even old modernized MiG-29 OVT with 3D thrust vectoring can pull such manouvers that F-22 can only dream of. There is no such plane as su50. SU-35 Russian Air Force primary fighter/bomber/interceptor today it HAS 3D thurst vectoring and so does MiG-35 and SU-37 and many others- You must live in somekind of fantasy thinking that F35 is good, its total shit.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 I sent you a few links that you should watch and are based on FACT not some guy behind computer screaming that USA planes are best and every other plane is crap. Just watch the links i sent you please, like about F-22, just goto ytube copy then paste the links after youtube.
/watch?v=KaoYz90giTk&feature=colike
or the best video based on fact about F-35 and also F-22 and F-18:
/watchv=27qdB1D0s9M&feature=like-suggest
Please watch this 2 videos first, wich both are based on FACT.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 they arent based on fact, they are gay ass russina fanboys like you who are hating on america becuase were better. now stfu and go kill yourslef, no1 likes u
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Blah, your IQ is probably at mentally retarded level. True USA redneck inbred shit, Im really trying to be just objective and i try to know the facts from fiction, i never said that F-22 was bad, i even said it was good. But it has its problems. F-35 project no longer gets funding from anyone, (cuz F-35 sucked so bad) dunno about US. You are here the one claiming that US (fanboy) everything is best. Im only trying to explain that you live in a fantasy world created by your goverment.
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 What American facts are not facts anymore or did the Aussies lie? Pasific Vision 2008 is proof that USA air superiority is just an illusion. Im not Russia nor US fanboy, but i would have liked to have had a civilized debate, but its impossible with an idiot. I was just trying to point out that F-35 is disaster wich nobody wants anymore and F-22 while being good plane, it will never see action unless USA is invaded. America is only better losing to smaller nations in war. BB & STFU!
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 lol, no the australians are always hating on our technology, yet they still but it. so they need to stfu, and the f35 is the only fighter that stads a chance against the f22 so its no t a disaster. and the f22 can easily be deployed to europe or asia to deal wiht either russia china, or both
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Listen carefully. F-35 project no longer recieves any kind of funding, because its proven that its a very very bad plane. Its not stealth, it has only one engine, its flight manouvarability is same or worse than 3rd gen jet. Its only pros are electronics and VTOL. But it cannot fight other planes because it manouvers so badly during flight. F-35 JSF has been canned, cuz nobody is longer intrested in that jet, not even USAF. Facts are that its only improved Harrier that costs too much
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 And just losing one F-22 to some SAM, stealth does not make you invisible aka Bosnia F-117 Nighthawk was shot down with a 30-40 years older Soviet SAM than the plane flying. Losing one F-22 is losing over 300 million dollars of money that includes not just the plane. Secondly modern Radars and SAMs make stealth only truly effective in 3rd world countries. Really, pull your head out of your ass. You have no knowledge even about your own planes whatsoever, say the least about WORLD.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 obviously u no nothing about modern history, the only reason the f117 was shoot down was bacause it opened its bomb bay doors which amplifies its rcs by a lot. however the f22/35 solved this problem, and no current or planned SAM will be able to detect the raptor anytime soon. so once again all enemies of the USA will bow before our might
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 And the point learned from Bosnia? That no modern fighter jet Stealth is truly invisible to any radar at all ranges, It has just smaller radar signature and morern SAMs are way much better than ones that shot down F-117. Type in S-300 and S-400, especially S-400 its specs are classifed but its best anti-air or anti-cruise missile denfece.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 S-400 can used for both.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 no its not. the SM-3 is the best anti-air defence, it can shoot down icbms. hypersonic cruise missiles, aircraft, ect
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Based on what facts against Russian S-400, Pantsir and Iskander missiles? Plus Russians have very powerful radars, since US puts alot of money into their Navy. Russians with their huge land mass focus on building best Radar systems and anti-air defence missiles and tanks like T-90MS"Tagil". Because they have to fight a land war if ever invaded again and in nuclear area USA has nothing even comparable to Topol-M or NATO code SS-27 Sickle wich can be also used to launch satellites BYE
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 our abrams would fuck up the t-90 considering its just an upgraded t72, and we all see wat the abrams did to the t72 in desert strom, and the minuteman 3 launches satelites 2. and unlike russia, we can afford our own independent satelitte launch platforms. and the Trident II D-5 would demolish the SS-27 before it even launched from its silo or its mobile lauch erector
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Topol-M or SS-27 is 5th gen ICBM wich is something that USA does not have, SS-27 cannot be detected by satellites only after its been already launched, in flight it constantly changes flight trajectory and USA currently has nothing to defend against it, when it nears its targets it shoots 7 nuclear warheads of wich 4 are dummy heads just so you cant shoot down the 3 real ones so easily, SS-27 is considered by NATO to be the best ICBM in the world today. U cant find them b4 launch.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 Its ready to lauch in 2 minutes...i dont know but Russia is big and there is no missile or cruise missile that can reach it in 2 minutes, especially when SS-27 is undetectable before it launches.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 And why do u think that USA was in such a hurry to place missile defense shields (wich does not exist yet) on near Russian borders.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 we do have missile shields, its called the GBI, THAAD, PATRIOT, Aegis ballistic missile defence, SM-3, and space based weapons
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 PATRIOT is a joke compared even to old S-300 and could never shoot down SS-27 or even modern fighter, no current american system can shoot it down because it flies sub-orbit, your missiles cant reach that high plus it changes its flight trajectory constantly without any logic so no computer can calculate its flight path, now on target, still in sub-orbit, it shoots 7 warheads of wich 4 are dummy to fool your systems more. SS-27 is best and only 5th gen ICBM. NATO says it not me.
normison69 1 week ago
@normison69 the minuteman 3 can launch in under 1 minute, and its not undetectable, we all know where they are. and we have something called the X-51 whihc travels at mach 8 whioch is supersonic, so if we launch it from alaska, your ss-27s are done
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@normison69 wtf do u mean we cant find. ITS IN A HUGE ASS SILO... how the fuk can we not find it. we know the airbase thats its at, and which silos they are in. and the mobile ones, its comon knowledge that russia puts all of their mobile ICBMs in the ural mountains and siberia, so all we have to do is drop a few high yield nukes, and there goes 90% of your nuclear aresonal. and we have things called exo-atmospheric ABMs . and they intercept the ICBM before it MIRV's
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@normison69 HOLY SHIT YOU ARE THE BIGGEST RETARD IN HUMAN HISTORY. the f22 can perform all 4 maneuvers that define super-manueverability. the pugachevs cobra, the kublit manuever, the j-turn, and the herbest manuever. the only other plane that can do all 4 is the su37, but thats not even a production fighter,s o it doesnt count. the mig29 OVT isnt evan a match for an f15, which has shot down 14 of them. and the only plane production plane with 3d thrust vectoring is the su50. so STFU
ps3bandit8 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 Erm the US has shot down MiG-29s stripped export variant made in 80s without any modernization whatsoever and flown by Iraqi badly trained pilots, they were not MiG-29 OVTs and there are only 2-3 MiG OVTs and its now MiG-35 going into production. SU-35 has 3D TVC and its mass production plane. So has SU-27M wich is upgraded version of SU-27. Still what the fuck is su50? This your su50 makes u look like an idiot, cuz such plane doesnt exsicst, T-50 maybe? But not in massproduction.
normison69 1 week ago
@ps3bandit8 After this im not talking to you anymore, if F-22s could be deployed anywhere then why only conventional planes that either dont require a super smooth, long and super clean runway with perfect weather or can be launched from Aircraft Carrier. Why is not F-22 seen a single second of real combat then? Because it cannot be deployed in 90% of the world, only USA, maybe Europe. Cuz maintenance is nightmare, 30hrs for 1hr of flight, its cheaper to send Aircraft Carrier than couple F-22s.
normison69 1 week ago
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@ps3bandit8 First im not Russian so i can think more objectively than you who is biased towards F-22 like usual. Russian 4th++ gen planes with 3D TVC can easily outmanouver F-22 with 2D TVC in VISUAL RANGE COMBAT where Stealth gives almost 0 advantage. Stealth does not make plane invisible, its radar signature just very small. So you are typical American idiot biased and brainwashed. There are many disadvantages on the Raptor that i cant even put all them on here listed. Pasific Vision is proof
normison69 1 week ago
I would go off of pilot skill. Not jet.
They were doing SCRIMS overseas with F22 and didnt tell public? HAHA
I wouldnt tell them either.
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 months ago
Just watch the F22 fly with thrust vectors. Its funny how the nose is pointing up but still flying forward due to momentum and so on till the jets engine or whatever thrust kicks in enough to get the jet going in the direction haha.
I think the T50 out does the F22 in this!!!
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 months ago
F22 out does F35. The F35 will be cheaper on budget (upkeep and so on) and its a multi role jet.
But did "THEY" know other countries were going to design something better than F22? Im sure they did. But then we all are friends right? RIGHT!!! :D
This guy needs to quit talking about stealth omfg.
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 months ago
The F-15 and F-16 have the first and second best known overall combat records of modern jet fighters. F-15s have a claimed combat record of 101 victories and zero losses in actual air to air combat and am sure the F-22 and F-35's will do as well if not better in protecting the interests of not only the U.S.A but our allies as well
GreggDuncanMcLean1 2 months ago
Beautiful. It sure helps that we have the most advanced (although its the most expensive) fighter in the world, or one of the most, to guard our county against threat from the air. Keep up the amazing work, Lockeed!
Owninatlife 2 months ago
has a wing of f35 gone against a wing of f22 yet in practice?
starknight97 2 months ago
my dog invented the wheel
joshwashposh 3 months ago
they always show the asian but every single guy who made the f-22 and f-35 are white (one black guy on the f-35)
USAmilitarypower 3 months ago
@USAmilitarypower
And you know this how? There is literally thousands building and designing these planes.
You know all of them? I doubt that.
MokomaSusi 3 months ago
@MokomaSusi i have seen group photos of all the engineers.
USAmilitarypower 3 months ago
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F22 and F35 have the best stealth of any fighter but planes like the su-37 would have the advantage over them when in comes to a classic dog fight a Su-37 can out manuver any aircraft with its 360 degree thrust vectoring nozzles f22 has thrust vectoring but they only go up and down a su 37 can use thrust vectroing anywhere at 360 degrees but the chances of a f22 going into a classic dog fight is rare and the su-37 would never get close enough to them.
Universeschild89 4 months ago
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EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON!!!
TattoosandGaming 4 months ago
Yes, ours and lets keep it ours USA, dont go giving these to country that say we are you allies. Give them the old f16s, f18. Give them our support not our fighters.
funintegras 5 months ago
With all this tech no ones going to be able to wage war anymore. NO ONE CAN FUCKING SEE EACH OTHER!!! XD
mankyman6 5 months ago
STARSCREAM MUST WIN
GrizzlyPanda347 5 months ago
And Russia just came out with the T-50 which is almost the same as the f-22 except without the thrust vectoring
mpfb99 6 months ago
@mpfb99 T-50 looks cool, but only costs 100 million to produce. The F-22 costs billions and is overall a better quality.
SSSILENTPRODUCTIONS 6 months ago
I've got a feeling the f-22 and f-35 will be sold to every country that is a democracy in 10 years from now because America will be that desperate for money. Plus has anyone else heard that china is developing a fighter just like the F-35?
F35FLYER 6 months ago
@F35FLYER lol
damiion666 5 months ago
@F35FLYER you do know that the US has been doing that since WWII.....
keenkennyny 5 months ago
@keenkennyny that was the reason why. On the mission that killed Bin Laden, Pakistan scrambled F-16's to shoot our SEALs down
F35FLYER 5 months ago
I kinda feel sorry for the poor enemy pilot/slob, who has too fly against the USAF, anywhere in the world !!!
MrJeffreydunson 7 months ago
Sounds good cant wait to see the F-35's and UAV's in the fleet USN CVN-65!
GarwoodDaPlayMaker 8 months ago
In Years to come our "enemies" will be flying these jets because the government will sell them to them and you will be praising the new instruments of death used to destroy the old ones. Monkey like!
mmtot 8 months ago
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The F22 fails so hard now. 34 hours maintenance for 2.1 hours flight. Rust problems so rain is a problem. The structure design is wrong and so freqenst frame stress causes cracks. Avionics problems in things like communication, control surface deflection and canopy release. Caused a pilot to be stuck inside for 6 hours (what if he needs to eject?). Less than half of all bought F22s are operational. F15s are starting to replace them again as the f22s are too unreliable for US air defence needs!!
PlaneAU 9 months ago
f22 the living stealth legend
IBroLLyISePhIrOtH 9 months ago
lol u jelly eurofags?
rusty5100 9 months ago
thats fucking outstanding
EV1DEN5E 9 months ago
some things that the pilot said are not strictly true - the two things that immediately come to mind is that the f-22 can go faster and higher than any aircraft in the world.. the MiG-31 is better than the f-22 in both respects. but still, i liked the short presentation of these amazing aircraft
demonbre 10 months ago
@demonbre Maybe he doesn't consider MiG-31 a fighter because it's an interceptor.
OlderG0ds 9 months ago
im hoping to be a fighter pilot and train at WEST POINT or any other military college
thatoneguy12ize 10 months ago
Russia can talk about how much better there planes are than ours but when it comes to the real thing we know who is fuck
Urbanfresh445 11 months ago 18
@Urbanfresh445 actually these socalled 5th generation aircrafts are usless in the modern battelfield the f-35 has too shot wings and is too fat making is unmenuverable it would loose a dog fight eazily and it cant do close quarters because of its light skin it can be shot down eazily its supposed to be a money saver but that failed too its still in testing but so far its terrible i dont know anything bout the f-22 but i hope its good so far i hear they are terrible
91general 2 months ago
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@91general Can't fly in rain
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ESC8781 2 months ago
@Urbanfresh445 O hell yeah i see the burning US parts falling to the ground baby!
AnimusPipboy 2 weeks ago
If it were any smarter it would write a book....A book that would make Ulysses look like it was written in crayons. And it would read it to you
dammitichangedagain 11 months ago
beautiful piece of machinery. Well done
ryu144 1 year ago
We may not always build the best cars in the world...but damn can we make war machines!
randomdude10010 1 year ago 38
@randomdude10010 HAVE YOU DRIVEN THE Chevy Cruz???
TheChristianRight09 4 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 Yeah...piece of shit
randomdude10010 4 months ago
@randomdude10010 I THE CRUZ is out selling Honda and Toyota compact cars.. My son loves his...As do 2 other people, I know that switched from the civic..
TheChristianRight09 4 months ago
@TheChristianRight09 Good for them...I still felt like the rear seat was too cramped and the ride wasn't good at and the steering was numb and unresponsive.
randomdude10010 4 months ago
@randomdude10010 Apparently the majority of people would disagree.....I thought it handled like a little sports car,and we were able to put 2 car seats in the back and one of my teens in the rear seat..
TheChristianRight09 4 months ago