It was just getting too old. I had made that video for a specific event one and a half years ago! I left it up to promote the discussion, but I didn't feel anything new was contributed over the last few months. So it didn't survive the last spring cleaning. I can share it with you, if you want.
I think the Internet allows many to exist in a little bubble and like "road rage" are far too quick to over react. I mean CAN you imagine a real world conversation behaving like a text comment, chat room or an internet forum? It's like a room full of deaf people suffering with tourettes syndrome after drinking too much coffee. In fact that would probably make more sense than your typical YouTube "hater". Das Internet ist Abfall.
i agree with most. the internet is very anonymous, and it's also very easy to detach urself from someone that is, in essence, a moving picture on the screen with sound. but i dont understand, r u saying that people shouldnt get offended or "be sensitive" at all on the net/youtube? i know u meant for more trivial things, but what about videos that are like prejudice propaganda?
Ich habe die Kommentare über dein "IT-Video" nicht gelesen um es offen zu sagen. Ich verstehe aber ehrlich gesagt auch nicht so recht, warum ausgerechnet dieses so viel negative Kritik hervor gerufen hat wie Du sagst. Es gäbe meiner Ansicht nach andere Videos von dir, die mehr Potenzial dafür hätten... Vielleicht rührt mein Unverständnis auch daher, weil ich deinen Ansichten in diesem Video voll zustimmen kann...
I think it deffinately has to do with the fact that you can be fairly anonomous on the net + you can creat your own persona. This in turn, I feel, means that you are more likely to have the confidence to voice your opinions (over even trivial subjects). Worst case scinario you change user names and 'dissapear' to avoid a negative responce - this is not the case in real life where the consequences of voicing your opinions cannot so easily be dodged. Anyway, lol, that's just my opinion. :D
AND all this commenting has made me feel in control of my life, i can now go grab a pepsi and endure people's rude attitude in the metro, while listening to my ipod.
ive also noticed that people do EXACTLY the same thing in person when it'S a subject that doesn't concern the person they are talking to. Like, they'll make sure you are against McDonald's, then RAVE LIKE CRAZY about the corps and such, while wearing Nikes:) Then the next sunday they go to McDonald's for fries. They submit personally or socially. Hence the desire to feel unique and powerful by "defending" a cause or debating. And Aeric, when i say they, i include myself. im not a fool.
im also guessing, in the same line of thought, that's a subconscious way to feel powerful, because let's face it living in society is a constant form of submission
i think you answered your own question. SINCE people go through so much shit and rarely have the guts or the opportunity to get emotionnal in public, they use scape goats on youtube OR react way more than they normally would
I have the impression that people are more sensitive and I can't explain it, I mean why should someone overreact of a comment written by someone you don't know and you will never see his nickname again? and in the real life it doesn't matter for you.
could it be that its more personal to chat on the internet than to talk with someone in real life? (ich glaube nämlich nicht)
hmmm if it wasnt for the fact I know you read through your comments, I wouldnt leave one... looks like you touched upon a nerve with this one Andreas... of course you are right, people do monitor their video making to avoid criticism, but I think that is basic human nature... we want to conform and belong. Of course there are always the ones who directly defy this instinct, but I think even that has its own potentially positive influence on our community.
Well, it was K80 who put her finger on it. I am just digging deeper.
Yes, it is perfectly normal to avoid criticism, especially if you find it uncalled for. Uploaders may deny dodging the issues, but on a subsconcious level, you cannot deny that it's usually true.
P.S. You'll be surprised that know even very busy channels will read all their comments. They are to us, what applause is to a musician. We may not find the time to always respond, but we will read them.
And it is interesting that many of the most widely subscribed to people are also very personable. There is some arrogance on youtube, but the people I tend to subscribe to are not.
Maybe you answered your own question. Maybe we are "uber-touchy" on the web because we have stored up a lot of irritation from dealing with our bosses, our governments, the rude waitress etc., in situations where we couldn't react without making the situation even worse. So all the anger rains down on the hapless vlogger. Just a thought.
that's what I was going to write... it sounds logical to me that maybe youtube would be kinda the scapegoat (even though it's inherently pointless to get so worked up about something on the internet that doesn't affect you at all)... because really, if people reacted to things like that irl, they would probably have a heart attack of some sort.
LOL! Great response. Maybe that's why. We endure so much crap on a regular basis some people are just dying to complain about anything they can. Still though...it's puzzing cause I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. And the shoe just isn't fitting. Thank a million man for a real response.
Real response? That's what you get for auto-accepting video responses. LoL
I also find it difficult to get into the mindset of letting of RL steam on harmless vlogs, but I guess it makes sense in a twisted sort of way. The general concensus on this comment board is that hapless vloggers often serve as scapegoats for the disenchanted and that the supposed sensitivity is faked.
I'd say these people just suck at life, but that wouldn't be very fair of me, now would it?
LOL! Yeah...thanks. I'm still up there too. It's been 6 days of the spotlight. Thank god it's finally dying own a bit. Is YouTube trying to reward me or punish me? It feels more like punishment.
My theory: (1) People feel the same emotions in real life -- you might think your boss is being unfair, or your waiter is rude -- but expressing yourself out loud usually leads to immediate, negative consequences (embarrassment, an argument).
(2) If you start to disagree with someone in person, you get feedback right away - the person can respond, clarify what they said, etc. Online you can sit there and argue with yourself until you're convinced that you're absolutely right.
Well, I have a 6-part series on my channel about nothing BUT me killing ants. By the HUNDREDS! We had an infestation in our house at the time. And it didn't get any negative feedback. In fact, I got ADVICE from professional exterminators! :D
Other than that, I have pretty much the least offensive stuff in history on my page (lots of videos showing what a geek I am! Woohoo! Go geeks!) and I STILL get negative feedback...so go figure! Folks are hard to figure sometimes...
Ok, so WHY do you say v-logs? I mean it's not like you say b-logs. It's vlogs! I mean you don't even say that in German so there's no excuse of language switching! Was just wondering!
I pronounce it "veelog" for the same reason I say "teeshirt" and not "tshirt". T-shirt is a compound abbreviation.
The word "blog" for example is a cutoff abbreviation derived from "weblog". The "we" was cut off, leaving the word pronounced "blog", like 'nuff from enough.
However vlog is short for "video weblog or video blog". Had the "vide" been cut, I would say "oblog". But as things are, the middle was cut out. So pronouncing it veelog is correct. It's like K-Fed or JLo.
hmm...you do have a point! Well, as Phoebe always said, " Tomato,tomato!" (It's hard to express emphasis solely through words, but I hope you get the point, otherwise what I write is just nonsense)
Maybe youtube provides an outlet for the overly sensitive people. They are offended when they see ant being stepped on IRL (to continue the example), but they keep their mouth shut. All the irritations build up inside, they watch a video and then that because the final trigger needed for all the anger to come out?
Also, you say in video you'd have less misunderstanding, but Bryony's video about sarcasm got misinterpreted. And comments are in text, so maybe the comments are misinterpreted?
Here's a thought: you give people credit based on the people that you know around you. On the internet, everyone watches. So yes, maybe the credit you give people only applies to those you know IRL, but not all your viewers. Believe me, I don't see how one could misinterpret that video either, but it happened.
Second, as a commenter, I regularly find that the sarcasm in my comments isn't noticed, regardless of the amount of smileys I squeeze in.
After this comment discussion, I am starting to wonder if users occasionally misinterpret your sarcasm *on purpose* just to pick a fight with you. After all, our harmless videos receive offended comments whose sensitivity may be fake.
Remember when the only things there were faked were orgasms and income tax? What is this world coming to?
So to paraphrase, both the replies to my sarcastic comments, and the overly sensitive comments on your videos, could both be fake, just to pick a fight?
Yes they are over-sensitive. They're also often illiterate. How often do you get a chance to read something by someone who can't usually put two words together and make any sense? On the internet — every day.
Also, I think not everybody is the person to write something on the internet (I've realized this when I tried to convince friends to use a forum), so you need a certain motivation or kind of character to tell your opinion to the anonymous masses, for example compensation for a frustrating life, envy or loneliness. You can hurt a vlogger easier than you can hurt an actor, film maker or an unknown leader of a political discussion.
I think can add another reason why in the internet people seem to be more touchy than in real life. Only people who are touched in any way do comment at all, the other hundreds just click the next video. In real life you would also see the reactions of the „not-so-touched-people".
AericW, i guess angriness and spoofing aint the same. angriness is a mood, and spoofing is an attitude. while angriness isnt always aimed at what caused it, spoofing is. why is K80 making such a big deal out of it if she feels victimized? I dont feel like its the use of vile language what offends her, as she says, I think it is the opposing reaction she is not expecting. but I do not know. I do not want to be the bad guy, thats why I unsubscribed her today. didnt comment her at all recently.
but I have to admit, sometimes its just like everyone thinks, he or she could be a showstar, to be hip. thats so naive! but youtube offers it. certainly this is the most known motivation tubers like K80 might have, unfortunately.
The real issue of this video was to explore why users on the internet are overly sensitive. And although you illustrated that vividly, we are still none the wiser why you reacted this way.
K80 doesn't feel victimised at all. Quite the opposite, she speaks of being more brave, being more honest, and pushing one's borders in spite of receiving negative feedback. Watch her video again.
I also don't find her to be motivated by becoming a hip showstar, but you are entitled to your own opinion, of course.
fact, I wouldnt have chased teenagers for stealing my ipod, and let them be jailed by police, gosh, I would have let them have it, just without complaint. fact, wtf she isnt special at all.
Though I tend to think so, and that instance is one reason. But then, tastes differ and if she gets on your nerves, it's good that you now avoid her. Though I still find it strange to see how anyone could be offended by K80.
Aericw, probably you should put less emphasis on what K80 said, thats why she is on YT herself. You are so totally a white knight, I really dont dare to comment any further, I might get hurt. auch!
dies ist sehr einfach. Leute, die wegen eines unangenehmen Falles in ihrer Alltagsleben entmutigt sind, finden einen Weg in youtube von ihren Gefuehle und Wut freizukommen. Leider manifestieren diese Gefuehle durch Wutausbruche.
On the internet Max is anonymous and he don't have to worry about the consequences. So he decides to release all his anger in the comment section. But after all Max is just a average guy.
Well, if my videos serve as a punching bag to frustrated people out there, then so be it. I am always glad to help out.
No offense to Max, but he really should grow up. Venting your anger at random internet strangers is no solution in the long run. He should be more assertive, be upset closer to the cause, get a hobby, maybe release his energy at sports. But this... this is no way for Max to live.
There is a guy, let's call him 'Max'. He is a nice guy, working hard, caring about the impression he is making to ohter people. Yet he is receiving so much anger from other people at work, during shopping or from his family, which makes him feel insecure and angry. But he is too much of a nice guy to tell anyone. Now he is logging on YT, bored, clicking on a promoted video called 'IT matters' where someone so confident is expressing his opinion, represanting the person he is not.(see 2nd comment
it's probably exactly as you said: people have to endure so many stupid things all day long, but what are they going to do about a mean boss or a snappy waitress? they can't do much, that's for sure.
well, on the internet, they can. post an outraged comment and perhaps they fell better ;) like an outlet for their feelings, something like that...
God, now I feel bad for all the trolls I have pwned and all the haters I've himiliated.
I was their "Blitzableiter", the only outlet for their frustration, their only hope of redemption. They came to me in their time of need and I turned them away. Even in this, they had to endure.
heee :D i didn't say it was ok for them to let their feelings out by posting mean comments. i just thought that could be an explanation for it (as you asked to hear what we thought about the topic).
hey, isn't that even some kind of theory by freud? we talked about it in my religion class: some guy, annoyed the whole day by his boss, snaps at his wife at home because his soup is too hot. of course, he shouldn't do that. but sometimes our brains don't work that way, i think...
Hm, I agree with TheRavenOfPoe that there's a link between hypersensitivity (also hatred) and anonymity; also some might still have a problem with the fact that "normal people" (not experts and other authorities, as on TV etc...) talk publicly (!) about their ideas, views and positions- about everything and anything.
I personally think that we just need to get used to handling it! It's really a double-edged sword...
Well, I think most of us veteran YouTubers are used to occasional oversensitive reactions from their viewership. It doesn't bother me much. I find it entertaining, and fascinating to a point, which I why I am curious about the motivation.
However, are other users intimidated by the harsh feedback that they sometimes receive? And is this affecting their channels, keeping them from posting riskier and more honest videos in order not to offend anyone? That is K80's quesion, I think.
my theory is, that ppl use the anonymity of the internet to bash others just for bashings sake, just in order to feel better than the one posted the vlog. the content of the vlog is irrelevant, it just has to be good anough that ppl can say: "you´re wrong, i´m right."
I just ryed to make offensive videos (the crapy and the political ones), but I noticed the ones i supposed to be hated where not. Instead I got hate comments on my 5facts-vlog.
So I guess hating somebody on the internet is easier cuz you don't have to fear a punch in your face ect. . And for that reson hate is spread more randomly.
I also guess the vloggers became shy (most of them) because they realize it can affect ther real lives.
Due to the great weather BBQ season has started in front of my building, just beneath my window to be exact. Let me tell you: People, especially guys, seem to get really agitated about the DUMBEST things in real life, too! I can imagine how it's them who log on to YT after a nice long evening of irrelevant BBQ-discussions and write hater comments to every video they can find. Just for the sake of complaining. Then they go to bed an dream about killing people. But that's just my theory.
Yeah, people are overly sensitive on here, but I have no idea why. It makes me want to make the most offensive video ever. But of course, I won't, since I'd hate myself for saying those things (i.e. AericWinter isn't a sex god).
In a nihilistic way, you could make the most offensive video ever simply on the grounds of "hey, if these people react are offended by my video, at least I'd want to have earned it!"
People are mean on YT bc they don't have to account for their behavior. They don't even have to show their faces. So they can just be as rude to vloggers as their waitresses and bosses are rude to them. Also, waitresses and bosses are mean bc they are human, and humans are by nature bad asses. The same holds true for commenters.
Yeah, here's an interesting thought. I just killed a cockroach in the bathroom. Noone would criticise me for that.
Take the same cockroach and a pair of scissors. Hold it up to the camera and cut it in half. Same result, probably quicker. Watch people flip out.
Even I have a bit of a problem with that concept though. I wonder why? After all, the spider in my feature video died, it just looked like it was released. No complaints there.
It's all the same to the bug, but to us, motivation is key. So do we defend ourselves, brush off annoyances or kill simply for entertainment? Three different mindsets, I suppose.
Oh, and are we ever truly offended by things? I think there are a lot of people who like to think they are offended, or get 'offended' on behalf of people they don't know. I've been surprised buy stuff I've seen, and sometimes find it distasteful, but to be truly offended? Not in this day and age with what's out there.
As a journalist I know likes to point out, nowhere does it say you have the right to not be offended.
Cute, maybe I should put a "You have the right not to be offended" disclaimer on future videos.
Yeah, revilomat above you just made the same point about thinking to be offended. Your point of being so on behalf of others is one I find particularly frustrating.
It's like the pc-ness of replacing "Merry Christmas" with "Season's Greetings" on cards. I haven't had one muslim complain to me about Christmas greetings. It's westerners who think they might be offended who do that. Argh!
LOL! I think you need the opposite. "By watching this video, you waive your right to be offended."
Being offended for others is ludicrous. When the debate here re Christmas has been played out in the popular press, I've asked muslim friends. They can't conceive that anyone could possibly be offended by it. Hell, I'm happy to help them at the end of Ramadan!! ;)
I think a lot of the shorter hater comments come from people who search for "fun" stuff on YouTube (type A hater). They find your video (e.g. as a featured video), click on it, and search where the funny stuff is hidden. Then they point out what they thought the funny thing was (e.g. "haha, his voice sounds so weird") or they recognize it as unfunny and leave ("lame!"). I don't think that this kind of "hater" ever checks back, so it is pointless to react to that.
The long hater comments, are imho mostly people like the type A hater, but these are really bored and have a lot of freetime at their hands or are seriously offend because of e.g. other moral standards or missunderstandings(type B hater). So they try to provocate reactions with long or many comments. I think this type of hater can be often convinced to take a closer look, and maybe even join the community (as a non-hater) one day.
The type C hater has already joined the community and tries to attack others, e.g. because of personal frustration or some other serious problems. These are imho the worst haters, because they come back, send messages etc.
So I don't think people are really oversensitive here. They are just not thinking or bored and search for drama. And only a very very low percentage is really too sensitive and seriously offend or somehow crazy.
Now that's what I call a thorough analysis, revilomat.
I was, of course, talking about your C-type haters. So what you're saying is, they are basically *faking* it? That these long arguments on comment boards aren't because they feel offended but because they are just looking for trouble just for the sake of it?
Man, those people need a hobby or a role model something. LoL
I find people often being overly sensitive on the internet and in the real world. They view the world filtered through their ego, and sometimes will even take offense at something that has nothing to with them!
I think many people simply can't accept it that there are opinions out there that's opposite their own. There's a kind of mentality in there that has to "correct" people with the "wrong" opinion. And they do it with passion and disturbing relentlessness.
You have to remember that a video with 6000 views will have 120 comments. That means that an incredible percentage looked, took it in and walked off. Of the 120 comments, at a maximum, only a small part will disagree in an anti-social way. If you walked into a pub and yelled something controversial, do you think you'd get away without a fight? It's just that one or two or fifty bad comments stand out.
Oh, and it's because people are mental. And over sensitive. And jerks. ;)
But what is it about the internet that seems to make people who are reasonable in RL, oversensitive online? I think that's where I think the anonymity comes into it a bit ^^
But are these people reasonable IRL? I know a lot of people I have to tread on eggshells with, or be - um - overly diplomatic with in normal life. There are an awful lot of flippy people out there.
I'm running the risk here of trying to back a line of thinking I'm not 100% convinced of. I agree that people over-react, and for no reason, but I'm saying that the comment system massively magnifies how big the problem seems.
My point exactly - I assume these guys have regular, socially accepted lives. They just found a way to bang somebody else's heads, to bring out their "dark desires" to be bad.
The "good guys" would ignore trash (see my comment above). So - those 6000 contain more "silent good guys" than those 2% (120 out of the 6000 views) contain "talking bad guys".
Or, put another way: A lot of good guys agree silently, while a lot of bad guys disagree loudly.
So users may not be a sensitive as we think, but we just perceive those who react offended more clearly because they make themselves more heard? It's all a matter of perception? Interesting...
There ya' go. I agree with K80 and you. Could it be the lack of consequence for being "touchy" in Web 2.0 vs. the real world. In real life, if we yell back at the rude waitress, she may spit in our food and no one wants that! On the web, we can express ourselves harshly with only the threat of being blocked as a consequence. Or, funinidaho is correct and people are just dumb, really. Hope you feel better. :)
That would mean that, on the internet, people are as touchy as they'd like to be in real life because they're not afraid of the consequences?
That reasoning would actually mean, that deep down, many of us are oversensitive nasty divas who are just too afraid to show it. That's a disenchanting thought.
I have found that there seems to be a correspondence between the oversensitive reactions and anonymity. I rarely see instances of people on YouTube who have their own vlogs up, who react oversensitively to other vloggers posts. So perhaps this means it is all just from people who are using it as a way to vent all their outside frustrations by putting another person down, or simply sparking a debate somewhere. It is still quite a mystery to me as to the true motivation.
I think if these vlogs that cause such reactions were done in-person as live conversations, they would not be received with such sensitivity. It certainly seems to be an element springing from 'onlineishness', hehe ;)
Hope you feel better soon! Being sick makes vlogging so much harder ^^
I somewhat disagree with you Jen (for once!!) The anonymity thing seems to work more for outright haters - just some jerk screaming obscenities. Less so for someone violently disagreeing. The big 500 character rant reactions I thought usually came from people with videos up.
I'm not so sure that there's a difference between a 3 word h8t0r comment and a 500 chars rant. I think it's more about bad manners of "live and let live". If I dislike a video, I'll perhaps post a witty comment, or simply ignore it. If a video is socially or politically or whatever inacceptable, I see that it gets flagged/pulled. But I don't bear this hate in me to put my heart of stone into a 500 chars rant. That's just not me, and it's not like a lot of "regular" YouTube guys. See my response.
Yeah, I guess manners comes into it. I don't post nasty comments because it's just not the person I am. Very good point.
I can see what Jen means though too. When I've been tempted to rant, I remember that I have a profile on here (however small) and that I'm part of a community.
Hmmm - I think that may be a combination of being a jerk in the first place, and having a strong opinion. There is a very clear variety of intelligence here too, and how many times have you seen a rant by someone that has misunderstood what was being said? You used that line in your advice to posters video. Sleep on it or ask for clarification. Most ranters don't. Most normal people entertain the possibility that they are wrong.
Yeah, posting in haste isn't always a good thing. I've had commentators return to their original comments either apologising or asking me to remove a post they made in anger.
I usually oblige. If someone jumps over his own shadow to apologise, I find that very positive.
I agree! People are just dumb, really! When dealing with the masses, you have to always remember the oober sensitive ones out there. Good Video, I agree with K80 also!
Why did you take It matters down then?
tavin15 2 years ago
It was just getting too old. I had made that video for a specific event one and a half years ago! I left it up to promote the discussion, but I didn't feel anything new was contributed over the last few months. So it didn't survive the last spring cleaning. I can share it with you, if you want.
AericWinter 2 years ago
Wow! WOher kannst du so gut Englisch?
chaboplay 3 years ago
Ich habe mal in den USA gelebt.
AericWinter 2 years ago
GooD ViD. Sehr interessant.
I think the Internet allows many to exist in a little bubble and like "road rage" are far too quick to over react. I mean CAN you imagine a real world conversation behaving like a text comment, chat room or an internet forum? It's like a room full of deaf people suffering with tourettes syndrome after drinking too much coffee. In fact that would probably make more sense than your typical YouTube "hater". Das Internet ist Abfall.
EldritchMask 3 years ago
Well, I wouldn't go that far. But yes, your road rage comparison bears a lot of truth.
AericWinter 2 years ago
why does the husband scream at his wife, when he comes home from work, where hes been pushed around by his boss?
why do people enjoy watching violent movies, while living in a peacefull "police state"?
why do people on public transports and large towns in general seem somewhat grumpy compared to people in the countryside?
why can irrelevant things piss you off, when you are having a bad day?
;) thats one thing .. i am thinking of
ps: i think for some people jealousy will be a triggering factor
tejayce 3 years ago
Has anyone ever told you that you look like Mario Lopez? Well you do, but that is definitely a good thing. :)
kissbaya9 3 years ago
It's come up once or twice.
Before YouTube, I didn't even know the guy.
AericWinter 3 years ago
ich mags irgendwie wie du "how're doing" sagst ;)
nicPA9 3 years ago
Ach ja? Was denn daran?
Klingt hoffentlich nicht wie Joey aus "Friends", oder?
AericWinter 3 years ago
es hat sowas...lässiges. :)
nicPA9 3 years ago
i agree with most. the internet is very anonymous, and it's also very easy to detach urself from someone that is, in essence, a moving picture on the screen with sound. but i dont understand, r u saying that people shouldnt get offended or "be sensitive" at all on the net/youtube? i know u meant for more trivial things, but what about videos that are like prejudice propaganda?
nazmieh 3 years ago
No, you understood me correctly. I meant trivial things.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Ich habe die Kommentare über dein "IT-Video" nicht gelesen um es offen zu sagen. Ich verstehe aber ehrlich gesagt auch nicht so recht, warum ausgerechnet dieses so viel negative Kritik hervor gerufen hat wie Du sagst. Es gäbe meiner Ansicht nach andere Videos von dir, die mehr Potenzial dafür hätten... Vielleicht rührt mein Unverständnis auch daher, weil ich deinen Ansichten in diesem Video voll zustimmen kann...
fuertherbube 3 years ago
och du armer! gute besserung!
nicPA9 3 years ago
I think it deffinately has to do with the fact that you can be fairly anonomous on the net + you can creat your own persona. This in turn, I feel, means that you are more likely to have the confidence to voice your opinions (over even trivial subjects). Worst case scinario you change user names and 'dissapear' to avoid a negative responce - this is not the case in real life where the consequences of voicing your opinions cannot so easily be dodged. Anyway, lol, that's just my opinion. :D
musely81 3 years ago
im spamming your comments section to tell you that you have inspired me today. I like the word "olog", it sounds fun, and im using it.
shebitch 3 years ago
AND all this commenting has made me feel in control of my life, i can now go grab a pepsi and endure people's rude attitude in the metro, while listening to my ipod.
shebitch 3 years ago
ive also noticed that people do EXACTLY the same thing in person when it'S a subject that doesn't concern the person they are talking to. Like, they'll make sure you are against McDonald's, then RAVE LIKE CRAZY about the corps and such, while wearing Nikes:) Then the next sunday they go to McDonald's for fries. They submit personally or socially. Hence the desire to feel unique and powerful by "defending" a cause or debating. And Aeric, when i say they, i include myself. im not a fool.
shebitch 3 years ago
im also guessing, in the same line of thought, that's a subconscious way to feel powerful, because let's face it living in society is a constant form of submission
shebitch 3 years ago
i think you answered your own question. SINCE people go through so much shit and rarely have the guts or the opportunity to get emotionnal in public, they use scape goats on youtube OR react way more than they normally would
shebitch 3 years ago
Stomp on ants! :P
celestialsam 3 years ago
I have the impression that people are more sensitive and I can't explain it, I mean why should someone overreact of a comment written by someone you don't know and you will never see his nickname again? and in the real life it doesn't matter for you.
could it be that its more personal to chat on the internet than to talk with someone in real life? (ich glaube nämlich nicht)
sry because of the bad english.
aeric gute Besserung!
karottenzug 3 years ago
I was re-reading the comments on this while the site was down, and another totally different tack occurred to me.
Maybe these people are just shouting at the TV, only in this case, the TV can hear them.
zebidee55 3 years ago
If you are right about that, then I find the entire process even sadder than I already do.
So much time and energy... wasted.
AericWinter 3 years ago
hmmm if it wasnt for the fact I know you read through your comments, I wouldnt leave one... looks like you touched upon a nerve with this one Andreas... of course you are right, people do monitor their video making to avoid criticism, but I think that is basic human nature... we want to conform and belong. Of course there are always the ones who directly defy this instinct, but I think even that has its own potentially positive influence on our community.
BlackenedRoseThorn 3 years ago
Well, it was K80 who put her finger on it. I am just digging deeper.
Yes, it is perfectly normal to avoid criticism, especially if you find it uncalled for. Uploaders may deny dodging the issues, but on a subsconcious level, you cannot deny that it's usually true.
P.S. You'll be surprised that know even very busy channels will read all their comments. They are to us, what applause is to a musician. We may not find the time to always respond, but we will read them.
AericWinter 3 years ago
And it is interesting that many of the most widely subscribed to people are also very personable. There is some arrogance on youtube, but the people I tend to subscribe to are not.
BlackenedRoseThorn 3 years ago
True to the adage "if you want to know who I am, get to know my friends."
AericWinter 3 years ago
Maybe you answered your own question. Maybe we are "uber-touchy" on the web because we have stored up a lot of irritation from dealing with our bosses, our governments, the rude waitress etc., in situations where we couldn't react without making the situation even worse. So all the anger rains down on the hapless vlogger. Just a thought.
2ii89 3 years ago
that's what I was going to write... it sounds logical to me that maybe youtube would be kinda the scapegoat (even though it's inherently pointless to get so worked up about something on the internet that doesn't affect you at all)... because really, if people reacted to things like that irl, they would probably have a heart attack of some sort.
DrHeidegger 3 years ago
LOL! Great response. Maybe that's why. We endure so much crap on a regular basis some people are just dying to complain about anything they can. Still though...it's puzzing cause I'm trying to put myself in their shoes. And the shoe just isn't fitting. Thank a million man for a real response.
K80Blog 3 years ago
Real response? That's what you get for auto-accepting video responses. LoL
I also find it difficult to get into the mindset of letting of RL steam on harmless vlogs, but I guess it makes sense in a twisted sort of way. The general concensus on this comment board is that hapless vloggers often serve as scapegoats for the disenchanted and that the supposed sensitivity is faked.
I'd say these people just suck at life, but that wouldn't be very fair of me, now would it?
AericWinter 3 years ago
P.S. I just saw that your video has been featured in the people and blogs section.
My condolences.
AericWinter 3 years ago
LOL! Yeah...thanks. I'm still up there too. It's been 6 days of the spotlight. Thank god it's finally dying own a bit. Is YouTube trying to reward me or punish me? It feels more like punishment.
K80Blog 3 years ago
You might as well ask if your glass is half full or half empty. I think that if you roll with it, it can be a really good thing.
Than again, my half glass is usually so full that it almost spills over. (c;
AericWinter 3 years ago
yes people are oversensitive ask paperlilies lol
orionpk 3 years ago
My theory: (1) People feel the same emotions in real life -- you might think your boss is being unfair, or your waiter is rude -- but expressing yourself out loud usually leads to immediate, negative consequences (embarrassment, an argument).
(2) If you start to disagree with someone in person, you get feedback right away - the person can respond, clarify what they said, etc. Online you can sit there and argue with yourself until you're convinced that you're absolutely right.
Prepoceros 3 years ago
Well, I have a 6-part series on my channel about nothing BUT me killing ants. By the HUNDREDS! We had an infestation in our house at the time. And it didn't get any negative feedback. In fact, I got ADVICE from professional exterminators! :D
Other than that, I have pretty much the least offensive stuff in history on my page (lots of videos showing what a geek I am! Woohoo! Go geeks!) and I STILL get negative feedback...so go figure! Folks are hard to figure sometimes...
Zaranyzerak 3 years ago
Ok, so WHY do you say v-logs? I mean it's not like you say b-logs. It's vlogs! I mean you don't even say that in German so there's no excuse of language switching! Was just wondering!
stormbreezemidnight 3 years ago
I pronounce it "veelog" for the same reason I say "teeshirt" and not "tshirt". T-shirt is a compound abbreviation.
The word "blog" for example is a cutoff abbreviation derived from "weblog". The "we" was cut off, leaving the word pronounced "blog", like 'nuff from enough.
However vlog is short for "video weblog or video blog". Had the "vide" been cut, I would say "oblog". But as things are, the middle was cut out. So pronouncing it veelog is correct. It's like K-Fed or JLo.
AericWinter 3 years ago
However, I accept and use both forms.
"Vlog" is the German standard, torn from English like so many other words, so I tend to use that in German.
Live and let live.
AericWinter 3 years ago
hmm...you do have a point! Well, as Phoebe always said, " Tomato,tomato!" (It's hard to express emphasis solely through words, but I hope you get the point, otherwise what I write is just nonsense)
stormbreezemidnight 3 years ago
Let's call the whole thing off. (c;
AericWinter 3 years ago
Well said and very interesting! Hope u get some nice responses! And get well soon! :)
Eemma 3 years ago
Words cannot express how glad I am to see you, Eemma!(=
AericWinter 3 years ago
Maybe youtube provides an outlet for the overly sensitive people. They are offended when they see ant being stepped on IRL (to continue the example), but they keep their mouth shut. All the irritations build up inside, they watch a video and then that because the final trigger needed for all the anger to come out?
Also, you say in video you'd have less misunderstanding, but Bryony's video about sarcasm got misinterpreted. And comments are in text, so maybe the comments are misinterpreted?
funkwurm 3 years ago
You've got a point there.
Though, to this day, my mind reels at how that video could be misinterpreted. Do I give people too much credit?
In any case, there is always a basis for misunderstanding, even IRL. But it should be less likely in vlogs than in blogs, shouldn't it?
I don't think I've ever been seriously offended by someone IRL randomly killing ants or flies. Have you?
Adipatus higher up in the comment section would seem to be.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Did I write because where I meant becomes? -.-
Here's a thought: you give people credit based on the people that you know around you. On the internet, everyone watches. So yes, maybe the credit you give people only applies to those you know IRL, but not all your viewers. Believe me, I don't see how one could misinterpret that video either, but it happened.
Second, as a commenter, I regularly find that the sarcasm in my comments isn't noticed, regardless of the amount of smileys I squeeze in.
funkwurm 3 years ago
After this comment discussion, I am starting to wonder if users occasionally misinterpret your sarcasm *on purpose* just to pick a fight with you. After all, our harmless videos receive offended comments whose sensitivity may be fake.
Remember when the only things there were faked were orgasms and income tax? What is this world coming to?
AericWinter 3 years ago
Hey! I've never faked Income Tax! ;D
zebidee55 3 years ago
So to paraphrase, both the replies to my sarcastic comments, and the overly sensitive comments on your videos, could both be fake, just to pick a fight?
Could be, hadn't thought of that really.
funkwurm 3 years ago
It hadn't occured to me before, either. But it makes perfect sense.
Those hurt fakers!
AericWinter 3 years ago
Yes they are over-sensitive. They're also often illiterate. How often do you get a chance to read something by someone who can't usually put two words together and make any sense? On the internet — every day.
monicavm 3 years ago
Also, I think not everybody is the person to write something on the internet (I've realized this when I tried to convince friends to use a forum), so you need a certain motivation or kind of character to tell your opinion to the anonymous masses, for example compensation for a frustrating life, envy or loneliness. You can hurt a vlogger easier than you can hurt an actor, film maker or an unknown leader of a political discussion.
FrauPflueckebeutel 3 years ago
Both good points.
In that case, we'll have to take the "Dunkelziffer" of those two users into account when judging the amount of offended comments on our channels.
Don't let the white noise of touchiness overpower the silent agreement then, right?
AericWinter 3 years ago
I think can add another reason why in the internet people seem to be more touchy than in real life. Only people who are touched in any way do comment at all, the other hundreds just click the next video. In real life you would also see the reactions of the „not-so-touched-people".
FrauPflueckebeutel 3 years ago
AericW, i guess angriness and spoofing aint the same. angriness is a mood, and spoofing is an attitude. while angriness isnt always aimed at what caused it, spoofing is. why is K80 making such a big deal out of it if she feels victimized? I dont feel like its the use of vile language what offends her, as she says, I think it is the opposing reaction she is not expecting. but I do not know. I do not want to be the bad guy, thats why I unsubscribed her today. didnt comment her at all recently.
marshyelloh 3 years ago
but I have to admit, sometimes its just like everyone thinks, he or she could be a showstar, to be hip. thats so naive! but youtube offers it. certainly this is the most known motivation tubers like K80 might have, unfortunately.
marshyelloh 3 years ago
The real issue of this video was to explore why users on the internet are overly sensitive. And although you illustrated that vividly, we are still none the wiser why you reacted this way.
Please enlighten us.
AericWinter 3 years ago
why I reacted what way?
marshyelloh 3 years ago
I couldn't disagree with you more.
K80 doesn't feel victimised at all. Quite the opposite, she speaks of being more brave, being more honest, and pushing one's borders in spite of receiving negative feedback. Watch her video again.
I also don't find her to be motivated by becoming a hip showstar, but you are entitled to your own opinion, of course.
AericWinter 3 years ago
thx Aeric, its not very selfish to remember why most vloggers do what they do.
and, K80 isnt pushing any borders at all, she just goes me on my nerven sometimes, fact.
marshyelloh 3 years ago
fact, I wouldnt have chased teenagers for stealing my ipod, and let them be jailed by police, gosh, I would have let them have it, just without complaint. fact, wtf she isnt special at all.
marshyelloh 3 years ago
She never said she was.
Though I tend to think so, and that instance is one reason. But then, tastes differ and if she gets on your nerves, it's good that you now avoid her. Though I still find it strange to see how anyone could be offended by K80.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Aericw, probably you should put less emphasis on what K80 said, thats why she is on YT herself. You are so totally a white knight, I really dont dare to comment any further, I might get hurt. auch!
marshyelloh 3 years ago
Haha, fair enough.
This video isn't about K80, anyway. It's about users being sensitive.
AericWinter 3 years ago
dies ist sehr einfach. Leute, die wegen eines unangenehmen Falles in ihrer Alltagsleben entmutigt sind, finden einen Weg in youtube von ihren Gefuehle und Wut freizukommen. Leider manifestieren diese Gefuehle durch Wutausbruche.
Am I making any sense? lol
whitemagick4 3 years ago 2
please write in english and don't use internet-translators, they just give out gibberish.
PS: I understood your point. you're right
tavin15 3 years ago
Ts ts ts, tavin.
People try their hand at German here all the time. And you know the comment wasn't gibberish. It was pretty good German, actually.
AericWinter 3 years ago
I don't want to be rude,
but imho it was a translationpragramm and not a learner of german who wrote this. (manifestieren is not a word you lesrn as a beginner).
If I am wrong, I apologize whitemagick4
tavin15 3 years ago
Makes perfect sense to me. That's better German than some comments by Germans that I read here. LoL
AericWinter 3 years ago
danke schoen Aeric!
whitemagick4 3 years ago
On the internet Max is anonymous and he don't have to worry about the consequences. So he decides to release all his anger in the comment section. But after all Max is just a average guy.
gembay 3 years ago 3
Well, if my videos serve as a punching bag to frustrated people out there, then so be it. I am always glad to help out.
No offense to Max, but he really should grow up. Venting your anger at random internet strangers is no solution in the long run. He should be more assertive, be upset closer to the cause, get a hobby, maybe release his energy at sports. But this... this is no way for Max to live.
I feel for him. Really.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Sehr geiler Vlog. Und was die Hater betrifft: Viel Feind, viel Ehr´. That´s it.
cyberfreak77 3 years ago
Correction: Not it. But all.
cyberfreak77 3 years ago
Comes with the territory. *g*
AericWinter 3 years ago
There is a guy, let's call him 'Max'. He is a nice guy, working hard, caring about the impression he is making to ohter people. Yet he is receiving so much anger from other people at work, during shopping or from his family, which makes him feel insecure and angry. But he is too much of a nice guy to tell anyone. Now he is logging on YT, bored, clicking on a promoted video called 'IT matters' where someone so confident is expressing his opinion, represanting the person he is not.(see 2nd comment
gembay 3 years ago 3
it's probably exactly as you said: people have to endure so many stupid things all day long, but what are they going to do about a mean boss or a snappy waitress? they can't do much, that's for sure.
well, on the internet, they can. post an outraged comment and perhaps they fell better ;) like an outlet for their feelings, something like that...
don't you agree?
Baabzi 3 years ago
God, now I feel bad for all the trolls I have pwned and all the haters I've himiliated.
I was their "Blitzableiter", the only outlet for their frustration, their only hope of redemption. They came to me in their time of need and I turned them away. Even in this, they had to endure.
I will try to turn the other cheek next time.
I repent, you hear me? Repent!
AericWinter 3 years ago
heee :D i didn't say it was ok for them to let their feelings out by posting mean comments. i just thought that could be an explanation for it (as you asked to hear what we thought about the topic).
hey, isn't that even some kind of theory by freud? we talked about it in my religion class: some guy, annoyed the whole day by his boss, snaps at his wife at home because his soup is too hot. of course, he shouldn't do that. but sometimes our brains don't work that way, i think...
Baabzi 3 years ago
Most of the time our brains and hormones don't work that way, I think.
Don't worry, Baabzi. I didn't take it the wrong way. You have a very valid point. I'm just teasing you. (c;
AericWinter 3 years ago
Hey there!
Hm, I agree with TheRavenOfPoe that there's a link between hypersensitivity (also hatred) and anonymity; also some might still have a problem with the fact that "normal people" (not experts and other authorities, as on TV etc...) talk publicly (!) about their ideas, views and positions- about everything and anything.
I personally think that we just need to get used to handling it! It's really a double-edged sword...
PalpitatioCordis 3 years ago
Well, I think most of us veteran YouTubers are used to occasional oversensitive reactions from their viewership. It doesn't bother me much. I find it entertaining, and fascinating to a point, which I why I am curious about the motivation.
However, are other users intimidated by the harsh feedback that they sometimes receive? And is this affecting their channels, keeping them from posting riskier and more honest videos in order not to offend anyone? That is K80's quesion, I think.
AericWinter 3 years ago
agreed.
my theory is, that ppl use the anonymity of the internet to bash others just for bashings sake, just in order to feel better than the one posted the vlog. the content of the vlog is irrelevant, it just has to be good anough that ppl can say: "you´re wrong, i´m right."
- the crank
crankkaosman 3 years ago
I just ryed to make offensive videos (the crapy and the political ones), but I noticed the ones i supposed to be hated where not. Instead I got hate comments on my 5facts-vlog.
So I guess hating somebody on the internet is easier cuz you don't have to fear a punch in your face ect. . And for that reson hate is spread more randomly.
I also guess the vloggers became shy (most of them) because they realize it can affect ther real lives.
tavin15 3 years ago
But hate isn't spread randomly, is it? It zeroed in less on your more touchy political videos and more on your personal vlogs.
That's curious. Why do you think that is?
AericWinter 3 years ago
Due to the great weather BBQ season has started in front of my building, just beneath my window to be exact. Let me tell you: People, especially guys, seem to get really agitated about the DUMBEST things in real life, too! I can imagine how it's them who log on to YT after a nice long evening of irrelevant BBQ-discussions and write hater comments to every video they can find. Just for the sake of complaining. Then they go to bed an dream about killing people. But that's just my theory.
honigmaeulchen 3 years ago
Rant, rant, rant, YT swallowed my last comment. :(((( ;)
Whatever - so this is about bad manners surfacing on the barbecue lawn and later on YouTube? See my video repsonse to get deeper into this.
XoregxResponds 3 years ago
Anna, you soooo need to hang out with better guys!! ;D
zebidee55 3 years ago
I wish I'd hang out with the BBQ-guys so I could tell them to shut the f*** up!
honigmaeulchen 3 years ago
Are they really *that* bad? You seem to be very touchy about those BBQ guys.
In that case, how about pouring some lighter fluid on their barbecues? Singeing off their eyebrows might scare them off, heh.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Yeah, people are overly sensitive on here, but I have no idea why. It makes me want to make the most offensive video ever. But of course, I won't, since I'd hate myself for saying those things (i.e. AericWinter isn't a sex god).
thewinekone 3 years ago 2
By all means, don't hold back, Tony.
In a nihilistic way, you could make the most offensive video ever simply on the grounds of "hey, if these people react are offended by my video, at least I'd want to have earned it!"
AericWinter 3 years ago
MIKMA WAS HERE
mikma 3 years ago 3
People are mean on YT bc they don't have to account for their behavior. They don't even have to show their faces. So they can just be as rude to vloggers as their waitresses and bosses are rude to them. Also, waitresses and bosses are mean bc they are human, and humans are by nature bad asses. The same holds true for commenters.
Adipatus 3 years ago
Well, I take it your glass is usually half empty rather than half full, huh? (c;
AericWinter 3 years ago
Yeah, pretty much.
Adipatus 3 years ago
so true.
tofusauce 3 years ago
Talk about whatever. It's your right.
Please don't hurt animals!
Adipatus 3 years ago
C'mon, people kill insects every day.
We accidentally step on ants, we swat flies, we hunt down mosquitos in our homes. You can't honestly tell me you've never killed a bug in your life.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Yeah, here's an interesting thought. I just killed a cockroach in the bathroom. Noone would criticise me for that.
Take the same cockroach and a pair of scissors. Hold it up to the camera and cut it in half. Same result, probably quicker. Watch people flip out.
Even I have a bit of a problem with that concept though. I wonder why? After all, the spider in my feature video died, it just looked like it was released. No complaints there.
zebidee55 3 years ago
I guess it's the thought that counts.
It's all the same to the bug, but to us, motivation is key. So do we defend ourselves, brush off annoyances or kill simply for entertainment? Three different mindsets, I suppose.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Never wantonly. Never for entertainment purposes.
Adipatus 3 years ago
Oh, and are we ever truly offended by things? I think there are a lot of people who like to think they are offended, or get 'offended' on behalf of people they don't know. I've been surprised buy stuff I've seen, and sometimes find it distasteful, but to be truly offended? Not in this day and age with what's out there.
As a journalist I know likes to point out, nowhere does it say you have the right to not be offended.
zebidee55 3 years ago
Cute, maybe I should put a "You have the right not to be offended" disclaimer on future videos.
Yeah, revilomat above you just made the same point about thinking to be offended. Your point of being so on behalf of others is one I find particularly frustrating.
It's like the pc-ness of replacing "Merry Christmas" with "Season's Greetings" on cards. I haven't had one muslim complain to me about Christmas greetings. It's westerners who think they might be offended who do that. Argh!
AericWinter 3 years ago
LOL! I think you need the opposite. "By watching this video, you waive your right to be offended."
Being offended for others is ludicrous. When the debate here re Christmas has been played out in the popular press, I've asked muslim friends. They can't conceive that anyone could possibly be offended by it. Hell, I'm happy to help them at the end of Ramadan!! ;)
zebidee55 3 years ago
I think a lot of the shorter hater comments come from people who search for "fun" stuff on YouTube (type A hater). They find your video (e.g. as a featured video), click on it, and search where the funny stuff is hidden. Then they point out what they thought the funny thing was (e.g. "haha, his voice sounds so weird") or they recognize it as unfunny and leave ("lame!"). I don't think that this kind of "hater" ever checks back, so it is pointless to react to that.
revilomat 3 years ago
The long hater comments, are imho mostly people like the type A hater, but these are really bored and have a lot of freetime at their hands or are seriously offend because of e.g. other moral standards or missunderstandings(type B hater). So they try to provocate reactions with long or many comments. I think this type of hater can be often convinced to take a closer look, and maybe even join the community (as a non-hater) one day.
revilomat 3 years ago
The type C hater has already joined the community and tries to attack others, e.g. because of personal frustration or some other serious problems. These are imho the worst haters, because they come back, send messages etc.
So I don't think people are really oversensitive here. They are just not thinking or bored and search for drama. And only a very very low percentage is really too sensitive and seriously offend or somehow crazy.
Get well soon! :)
revilomat 3 years ago
Now that's what I call a thorough analysis, revilomat.
I was, of course, talking about your C-type haters. So what you're saying is, they are basically *faking* it? That these long arguments on comment boards aren't because they feel offended but because they are just looking for trouble just for the sake of it?
Man, those people need a hobby or a role model something. LoL
AericWinter 3 years ago
I find people often being overly sensitive on the internet and in the real world. They view the world filtered through their ego, and sometimes will even take offense at something that has nothing to with them!
BGenerous 3 years ago
You're not sick...you're just stoned. Caught!!
jk
ErikWithBrain 3 years ago
I think many people simply can't accept it that there are opinions out there that's opposite their own. There's a kind of mentality in there that has to "correct" people with the "wrong" opinion. And they do it with passion and disturbing relentlessness.
komikero 3 years ago
You're right. It's an internet thing to be a smartass and know everything better.
But we are confronted with opposite opinions in our lives every day. How do these people deal with that, then?
AericWinter 3 years ago
You have to remember that a video with 6000 views will have 120 comments. That means that an incredible percentage looked, took it in and walked off. Of the 120 comments, at a maximum, only a small part will disagree in an anti-social way. If you walked into a pub and yelled something controversial, do you think you'd get away without a fight? It's just that one or two or fifty bad comments stand out.
Oh, and it's because people are mental. And over sensitive. And jerks. ;)
zebidee55 3 years ago
But what is it about the internet that seems to make people who are reasonable in RL, oversensitive online? I think that's where I think the anonymity comes into it a bit ^^
TheRavenOfPoe 3 years ago
But are these people reasonable IRL? I know a lot of people I have to tread on eggshells with, or be - um - overly diplomatic with in normal life. There are an awful lot of flippy people out there.
I'm running the risk here of trying to back a line of thinking I'm not 100% convinced of. I agree that people over-react, and for no reason, but I'm saying that the comment system massively magnifies how big the problem seems.
zebidee55 3 years ago
My point exactly - I assume these guys have regular, socially accepted lives. They just found a way to bang somebody else's heads, to bring out their "dark desires" to be bad.
XoregxResponds 3 years ago
The "good guys" would ignore trash (see my comment above). So - those 6000 contain more "silent good guys" than those 2% (120 out of the 6000 views) contain "talking bad guys".
Or, put another way: A lot of good guys agree silently, while a lot of bad guys disagree loudly.
XoregxResponds 3 years ago
Yeah, in some ways it's like a high crime rate in a city. You never hear about the people who go about their ordinary lives in peace.
zebidee55 3 years ago
Hmmm, fair point.
So users may not be a sensitive as we think, but we just perceive those who react offended more clearly because they make themselves more heard? It's all a matter of perception? Interesting...
AericWinter 3 years ago
That's my line of argument, but I'm totally prepared to concede that there may be more to it than that.
It's interesting hearing this debated amongst people whose intelligence and experience I respect.
LOL - watch it get featured now, and all hell will break loose!
zebidee55 3 years ago
There ya' go. I agree with K80 and you. Could it be the lack of consequence for being "touchy" in Web 2.0 vs. the real world. In real life, if we yell back at the rude waitress, she may spit in our food and no one wants that! On the web, we can express ourselves harshly with only the threat of being blocked as a consequence. Or, funinidaho is correct and people are just dumb, really. Hope you feel better. :)
firefare 3 years ago
That would mean that, on the internet, people are as touchy as they'd like to be in real life because they're not afraid of the consequences?
That reasoning would actually mean, that deep down, many of us are oversensitive nasty divas who are just too afraid to show it. That's a disenchanting thought.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Sadly, I believe this may be the case with some people. Not us, the truly enlightened, of course.
firefare 3 years ago
I have found that there seems to be a correspondence between the oversensitive reactions and anonymity. I rarely see instances of people on YouTube who have their own vlogs up, who react oversensitively to other vloggers posts. So perhaps this means it is all just from people who are using it as a way to vent all their outside frustrations by putting another person down, or simply sparking a debate somewhere. It is still quite a mystery to me as to the true motivation.
TheRavenOfPoe 3 years ago
I think if these vlogs that cause such reactions were done in-person as live conversations, they would not be received with such sensitivity. It certainly seems to be an element springing from 'onlineishness', hehe ;)
Hope you feel better soon! Being sick makes vlogging so much harder ^^
TheRavenOfPoe 3 years ago
I somewhat disagree with you Jen (for once!!) The anonymity thing seems to work more for outright haters - just some jerk screaming obscenities. Less so for someone violently disagreeing. The big 500 character rant reactions I thought usually came from people with videos up.
zebidee55 3 years ago
hehe, you'll have to send me a link to one when you next see one =)
TheRavenOfPoe 3 years ago
LOL - get featured again - that seems to bring them out of the woodwork! I still have my shining armour hanging in the closet! ;)
Hmmm, let's see - Adnara's channel is a good example. Long rants from people with videos.
zebidee55 3 years ago
I'm not so sure that there's a difference between a 3 word h8t0r comment and a 500 chars rant. I think it's more about bad manners of "live and let live". If I dislike a video, I'll perhaps post a witty comment, or simply ignore it. If a video is socially or politically or whatever inacceptable, I see that it gets flagged/pulled. But I don't bear this hate in me to put my heart of stone into a 500 chars rant. That's just not me, and it's not like a lot of "regular" YouTube guys. See my response.
XoregxResponds 3 years ago
Yeah, I guess manners comes into it. I don't post nasty comments because it's just not the person I am. Very good point.
I can see what Jen means though too. When I've been tempted to rant, I remember that I have a profile on here (however small) and that I'm part of a community.
zebidee55 3 years ago
So you guys are saying that *not posting* an offended comment is due to self-discipline, manners, and perhaps repercussions to your YouTube rep?
Fair enough, but why is there an urge to actually *post* one in the first place?
AericWinter 3 years ago
Hmmm - I think that may be a combination of being a jerk in the first place, and having a strong opinion. There is a very clear variety of intelligence here too, and how many times have you seen a rant by someone that has misunderstood what was being said? You used that line in your advice to posters video. Sleep on it or ask for clarification. Most ranters don't. Most normal people entertain the possibility that they are wrong.
zebidee55 3 years ago
Yeah, posting in haste isn't always a good thing. I've had commentators return to their original comments either apologising or asking me to remove a post they made in anger.
I usually oblige. If someone jumps over his own shadow to apologise, I find that very positive.
AericWinter 3 years ago
Ah I love how Katie's video made a lot of people think about the whole vlogging thing! And geez you really look sick. Get well soon!
speedyconkiwi 3 years ago
Yeah, I think she inadvertently struck a nerve within the YouTube vlog community.
And thanks, kiwi. It's no fair being ill when the weather outside is so great, too. I wanna go out and play. *sniff*
AericWinter 3 years ago
I agree! People are just dumb, really! When dealing with the masses, you have to always remember the oober sensitive ones out there. Good Video, I agree with K80 also!
funinidaho 3 years ago
first beyotch
(you dont sleep. nice)
speedyconkiwi 3 years ago
Oh, but I do.
I just started this upload before I went to bed and left the notebook running while I was sleeping.
AericWinter 3 years ago