Awesome! I think the marine mammal protection thing regards you chasing marine mammals, not them suddenly appearing beside you. You seem to have stayed politely out of their way. As someone else observed, the inland orcas are fish hunters. Orca is actually the largest of the oceanic dolphins, and probably the most intelligent, possibly smarter than us (though in a very different, alien,way).
@toddwills Several kayak videos with whales next to them. Safer than being around a bunch of great whites. I be a little nervous then about falling over..
Under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, what would be considered harassment? Personally, I'd love to do this, but I won't if it's illegal. So could someone explain to this midwestern boy, the rules regarding kayak's, boats etc. around, whales and dolphins?
Further to my comments earlier, I have spent considerable time among Orca, have sponsored 20+ year studies of them, have lectured at universities on their behaviour and psychology and sailed the oceans for more then 50 years.Captivity for Orca has much in common with human slavery. Their own echolocation becomes painful to them inside pools which resemble what a 6 x 4 room may be to us.It is not a beauty but a cruel sadness driven by commercialism and sadness.
If Orcas weren't in captivity, serving as a living statue of illimitable beauty, an entire generation of naturalists might not find their path, or people seek to preserve wild places and the Orca's wrath, unbound off the shores of Patagonia, like a murderer taking what pinnipeds time will allow- so please- let's not talk in fantasy speak- these dominate apex predators can adapt and once in captivity, would starve and die if let free. That is the end of the analysis and story. Bless them all & u
@kmkfiction2 True, they can adapt to captivity, much as a human adapts to slavery. On release frequently either would display dysfunctionality. I recommend all read the appropriate studies, particularly those such as Dr Ingrid Visser's still ongoing 26 year study or read Frank Hodgeson's book "Pictures in the Dolphin Mind" to discover who these creatures are and how they think. Imagine the rest of your life in a 6 x 4 cell, that's a pool to an orca. Fantasy speak = ignorance.
Delphinids, including Orca, form the strongest familiar bonds known, occasionally preferring death to separation. Orca have an intellect probably equal to our own, no surprise that they turn on their captors occasionally. They are harmless to humans if undisturbed in the wild. Their "trainers" dont do it for love, they get paid like any other warden.
"Preferring death to separation", lol, listen to you testify for the Orca- almost as ridiculous as the underlying sentiment, as if, in the end, your delusion works and is
@kmkfiction2 There is a huge body of study confirming this, as well as decades of observation, particularly of odontoceti strandings and behaviour. Not delusion, fact. I was a lecturer at Massey University on the psychology of these creatures, I have studiedand recommend all of you do the same. The great naturalists, Dr Ingrid Visser, Frank Hodgeson et al, studied them in the wild as well as captivity and learned more from wild populations.
For all your purported knowledge, it cannot undo the fact that Orcas re-released back to the wild starve. As for you characterizing captive Orcas as "slaves"- taken to illogical conclusion, every single creature in any form of captivity is therefore a slave. By analogy, if a human kills a creature to eat, does that make him or her a "murderer"? Do tell.
@kmkfiction2 I note that humans, chimps etc re released into the wild also fail to thrive, generally with worse outcomes then Orca. Delphinids are pack hunters in a very competitive environment. Releasing an Orca is not the same as putting it back into its natural environment which had once included its pod, ie its family. Delphinids spend their lives among their close relatives in their natural state yet not one of the very few orca released has been reunited with their kin. More..
@tiopirata2 If you were to capture a young human, lock it away in a very small space for decades then release it into the wild while in relatively poor physical condition, as has been the case with every released Orca, the likely outcome is certain death. Slavery is an analogy only but does describe a lifetime of captivity and servitude without care for the intelligence of such a creature as this. I have no issue with killing, particularly if survival justifies it.
@tiopirata2 It should also be noted that a pool for a delphinid is like a dark cupboard for us. Years in such would reduce our eyesight and the finite concrete pool environment has a similar effect on Delphinid echolocation. Further, every Orca currently in captivity shows evidence of muscular atrophy. We can see that for various reasons their odds of survival on release are nowhere near as good as their odds had they never been captured. I recommend you study before your next post.
For all your condescending banter, you only add credence to my argument: to free Orcas in captivity is to give them a death sentence. But thanks for the heads up that Orcas are pack hunters. People like yourself think you are so smart, but most of your drivel ("sharks attack people on account of mistaken identity!") is a pretext to condition the public to acquiesce to groupthink that is, in the end, utterly divorced from actual Science. I see that as sad.
Perhaps the violent propensities and refined mastery of the art of killing that Orcas' wield is a "dark cupboard" to you and others in academia, i.e., with such a heightened and glorified sense of self-perceived knowledge. Stated differently, your knowledge of these apex predators- whose species-specific adaptations are analogous to mankind's ruthless dominion over his own ecosystem- is derived merely from books. Ah, me.
"To know and to act are one and the same." - Takuan
@kmkfiction2 All predators are master killers, or extinct. You are not making much sense here and you are plainly not bothering to undertake any further study, rather preferring to bombard with opinion. The facts really are out there, and as I suggested earlier you should do as I have. I also pointed out my 50 years at sea, direct observation and interaction with delphinids so this is not just academic. Go forth and learn before your next posting. Hear from you in a few years.
Further study on what, evolution? Unlike you, evolution and population genetics was the primary thesis of my undergraduate work at the #2 school in the US for Anthropology. I've been an attorney for about a decade and own a separate company in a $6 billion industry. Stop talking down to people that intimidate you.
For the record, you haven't pointed out anything novel or particularly noteworthy on this thread, so stop stroking yourself and seeking some form of stilted applause. As for your 50 years at sea, maybe you need to spend some time on land and learn some people skills. Imagine that, coming from litigator.
As an aside, I find it absolutely laughable how the people that spend their lives, say, physically "tagging" sharks or taking photos of Orca dorsal fins to document individuals take such great airs for their efforts, as if, in the end, "spending quality time" among these creatures somehow yields this unassailable insight into sociobiological dynamics. What nonsense. The data is available to all. Any educated person can make their own theories. Get over yourself.
@kmkfiction2 And now we are in a pissing match, I am at a loss to understand your anger. Given your academic record then, why not source this data which you also point out is available. "Any educated person can make their own theories" as you say, but these require data, and in this instance data provided by those scientists who "spend quality time" with their subjects. I point out that my achievements are equal to and similar to your own, no need to battle here, rather to debate.
My expertise in sharks, not Orcas, although I know a fair amount about Orcas compared to most. Let me provide an example. 90% or more of all "top marine biologist" allege that sharks attack people on account of "mistaken identity". This assertion, however, is contradicted by nearly all the available scientific evidence and, conspicuously, is not even subject to the scientific method. If anything, pelagic sharks predictably arrive at maritime disasters to feed on human prey.
Conspicuously, the premise of "mistaken identity" defies not only the undisputed data that sharks have a wide array of perceptive faculties that could easily differentiate prey- but it defies basic precepts of natural selection as well: to posit that a pelagic shark could not differentiate between a fat-rich pinniped and a seafaring primate would be an injurious trait. White sharks, for example, do not even attack human prey in the same ambush style they attack agile pinnipeds. That's the data.
Why is this relevant here? I have had several purported shark "experts" attempt to bolster their unscientific theories (e.g., sharks are not man-eaters) on account of their academic and/or "research" experience. I'm left thinking: if human remains have ALWAYS been found inside sharks- and the data of human migration patterns proves H. erectus/sapiens have been utilizing the marine ecosystem for over 2mm years...how can anyone credibly contend sharks don't know what we are? Puzzling.
I think it is a sad commentary on the state of marine biology, if not Science itself, when people use their purported expertise to orchestrate some sort of public relations charade for sharks. I mean, I understand the premise: if people are conditioned to see sharks as "misunderstood" predators, they may be more apt to support conservation. But at what point does a scientist or naturalist have to see things as they are- and dispassionately question prevailing dogma? The truth works and is.
@kmkfiction2 We seem mostly in agreement. I have no doubt also that sharks know very well what we are. My contention with this thread however was with Orca captivity, obviously I would like to see the practice fade to distant memory. I also agree with the necessity to "dispassionately question the prevailing dogma" Carry on then
Killer whales are the largest species of dolphin, so there's no reason for us to be scared of them. You don't see people freakin out about Flipper attacking them do you?
@SqueakerJenks Depends what type of killer whales they are. resident killer whales eat mainly salmon so are harmless but offshore and transient killer whales eat other whales, seals and penguins, so i would watch out for those. killer whales in captivity have been known to attack trainers although that is most likely provoked.
@SpartanForgeWorld300 They are called KILLER whales for a reason, they are aquatic MURDERERS. They kill their own trainers who put love and time into training them, they kill everything. They have no remorse at all and these people are idiots for getting so close to these BEASTS in kayaks...
@BloodyPaperclip I saw one befriend a dog and a family one time. It was like a puppy dog. It was a full grown male too. Maybe it's just a rare occurance. Because I seen some great whites and bull sharks befriend a few people already...in the wild...hell, even heards of bull sharks were acting like puppies towards him. guess he's just a animal whisperer or something. lol
@TheWigglyduff Not these ones... at least if you are not a fish. Resident Orcas of Washington state and British Columbia are strictly chinook salmon eaters. They do not touch anything else.
Listen, Killer Whales have such unbridled power, their wrath is at their discretion, as seal pups hiccup fluke to air hard to share the sight or plight of such maddening wrath. I don't doubt Telly will kill again. Waiting, waiting...to complete what time will allow. As shadows fall, the cut seal forgives the plow.
Sociobiology is understanding that each creature has species-specific adaptations to fully realize its inclusive fitness via dispassionate discharge of its ecological niche. Everyone accepts that Koala bears are highly specialized feeders, whereas many struggle to acknowledge Tiger/White/Bull/Oceanic Whitetip sharks have adapted to eat arguably the widest array of actual prey, including terrestial species that wash out to sea, or men that walked a plank, crooked and cursed the sharks attack thee
listen sausage, if you want to communicate easily then use language people can readily understand. Technical references and specific terminology is fine when your sipping wine with the professors,but FUCK ME its a pain in the ass trying to duplicate what your on about. it sounds like typical psychology bullshit which sounds intelligent but ultimately turns out to be bollocks.
According to the standard phylogenetic tree, whales are known to be the descendants of terrestrial mammals that had hindlimbs. There are many cases where whales have been found with rudimentary atavistic hindlimbs in the wild. Notably Kyoquot station, Vancouver island 1919 case . For super books about nature & science try, ' The greatest show on earth ' & ' Unweaving the rainbow ' by scientist Richard Dawkins
Ah me, another Euro-goober investing intelligence into ignorance and dispensing judgmental gibberish regarding sharks. That's right, genius. They are documented man-eaters. You have not slightest clue what ecological niche a pelagic shark even occupies, much less fully comprehend what a generalist feeder even means. You are like a helpless Haitian in the FL straits losing what little strength you have, like a swimmer, and I can feed on your folly at my caprice and my leisure.
@Pvjinflight Why do you talk about sharks "making a mistake" by attacking a human? No scientific evidence supports such an inference, given their finely-tuned perceptive faculties. Moreover, such an injurious trait would contravene Natural Selection. By definition, GENERALIST feeders do not "make mistakes" when feeding on available resources, e.g., after a maritime disaster. The fact it is statistically infrequent hardly supports the inference an "abnormal" or "sick" shark was responsible. Duh.
@kmkfiction2 Ofc they can mistake human on surf board for example to turtle. But whatever, still mosquitos kill hundreds of times more humans every year by diseases that some of them are spreading than sharks do. Just the fact that sharks do kill few people yearly does not make it right to kill them any more than any other predator animal, pet dogs kill more anyway.
And still I cant remember any case where shark has eaten human after first attacking it.
Can't remember "any case where shark has eaten human after first attacking it?" Google shark attack with "Lloyd Skinner". Oh snap! You are wrong again.
@kmkfiction2 Whatever, your comments are boring to read anyway as you cant write clear language and lack common sense like americans mostly do. Your analysis are based on movies.
Your inability to even formulate an intelligent response simply proves your utter ignorance on the subject of sociobiology and just proves your arrogance stems from cultural insecurity. Maybe you should see the world first- before you comment on the dynamics that sustain it, silly video game geek.
@kmkfiction2 - You obviously like to use big words. But I know it is a sham. If you were as smart as you are trying to sound you wouldn't bother having an argument on this topic in, this kind or forum with that person.
It's all true, swear on my life, I'd even swear on you.
Conspicuously, your inferences underscore the same kind of unfounded speculation my analysis on shark attacks disproves (e.g., "mistaken identity" hypothesis). See? irony isn't just a literary device. It works and is, like the freedom to be several things at once.
Seeing this in real life is absolutely amazing - I kayak around Auckland in New Zealand, and we run into a pod if were super lucky at the right time of year, its one of the most amazing feelings having one of those swim under your kayak.
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@MrAPEMothership08 Its nice to know that SOMEONE knows this fact besides me! No one ever believes they are part of the dolphin family! Finally someone of intelligence! Thank you. That made my day
i love every kind of shark or whale is also wanna see them so close like you O-O
I just don´t understand how many people can kill them for somethin so unimportant like money -.- it´s just sad that lot of people just don´t understand that they we are only destroying our wonderful planet for money but if our planet is destroyed we willbe dead and they´ll not need their money anymore
yes Tim55, but there are good shark attack videos and information on the net too. Try the liksharks site. They have information on each shark species, research and videos on shark attacks. Type likesharks into google and its the first one
Wonderful! I'm going to Vancouver Island or any other island around Canada, when I'm a little bit older and have money, ( I'm 22 today ) But do you think it's.. " safe " to have a system camera with you ? or maybe I should stick to my digital camera,? haha
It's not like they'll attack you. I'd still be afraid though, and yet totally amazed. They only attack when they feel threatened or if they they have some kind of illness or are just starving to death.
Seriously awesome... Oh and it would also be nice to look at a video without some stupid ass vegan talkin about how they should not be in captivity. Or how they are not killer whales but orcas or how they are part of the dolphin family... Seriously sick of everyone making something political that doesn't need to be. They are in kayaks in the ocean and they saw whales up close= awesomeness. Wish I could experience it.
@locsphere How is referring to the natural family tree of cetaceans political? They ARE related to dolphins...nothing political. It's pure biological fact.
@wannabedesi Seriously... I was being facetious, I don't care what they are because I already know what they are and being PC about it and avoiding the term "killer Whale" because its not entirely accurate really isn't necessary. I also feel I don't need a school lesson every time I come on youtube. Plus everyone hate the people who are constantly correcting everyone. Just enjoy the show was my point and case. But hey, I digress...
Orca's are actually part of the dolphin family! And are called 'killer whales' because they are one of the only animals that actually kill other whales ! They also have another name which is wolves of the sea ! As they work in a pack !
This video is amazing and I am going to British columbia this summer and plan on doing this it should be amazing !
Why does everyone assume Orcas kill and eat humans ? Fact is they don't, first we are not on their menu and second they'd kill only if you meant threat to them.
@chozn11 Orcas souldn't be in captivity in first place. And if you still believe these are vicious animals google it. They don't kill something if it's not in their diet plans. however they'll kill you if felt threatened or mistake you for a meal.
@chozn11 That orca was driven insane by being held captive in a fucking swimming pool. Let's put you in a footlocker for a few years and see of a few of your screws don't come loose.
@Hoopermazing And you apparently had that whale in a psychiatric session and it told you that right.. If you are stupid enough to Kayak with them, when they flip out and attack you , you deserve it. Bottom line No 1 can determine when or why some wild animal attacked you. Its all speculation why someone gets killed because not one animal told anyone anything.
A human has never been killed by a wild orca and researchers and film crews swim with them in the wild all the time. In captivity an orca attacks a trainer on average once a month and 4 trainers have been killed. What does that tell you.
@hateseaworld i agree that the people there are tempting them to do it and a wild animal should not be taught to do un natural things just to make money is wrong
(just to clarify) Are you talking about statistics for captive born orca attacks on trainers?. If so then the most aggressive orca in captivity at the moment is captive born (orkid). There are several captive born orcas who are only allowed to be handled by the most senior trainers because of aggression)
If you want the actual statistics look them up on orcahome(dot)de
oh and a captive born whale called Keto killed his trainer at Loro Parque in spain a couple of years ago (the whale was bred by and belongs too seaworld).
I am not trying to state than an Orca is more dangerous than a Shark or vice versa. I was just replying a comment that said that sharks "pretty much go for anything" or something like that. There are few reported Orca attaks on humans, as almost any carnivore could attack and also possibly kill a human being.
But to answer your question, it just a matter of shared habitat and statistics. Humans are mostly attacked by reef Shaks, near towns and beaches.
nice post in July 2010 i was on shore by the light house on san juan island watching a pod of orcas swim right past a group of kayakers just like you.
@outofthepit: Yeah, that movie totally destroyed my childish image of a killer whale. I still love them and think they're beautiful, but I know they can eat you now, lol
That is amazing! I wish I could see one up that close.
ath5264 6 hours ago
oh my good
eagleblueairforce 20 hours ago
The big dude is ruffles lol rip
This is amazing I would love to get close to one
UltraMagnusLovur 4 days ago
Wow!! You are so lucky!!
Tsuki23189 1 week ago
En verdad sintieron ñañaras ......la verdad no tenían nada que hacer, mas que sonreír de nervios. Esos kayacs aguantaron mucha mierda.
chkotezcatlipoca 2 weeks ago
i would have shit my pants being that close
golfmaniac007 3 weeks ago
This video went viral on London
radleyholla71b 3 weeks ago
Awesome! I think the marine mammal protection thing regards you chasing marine mammals, not them suddenly appearing beside you. You seem to have stayed politely out of their way. As someone else observed, the inland orcas are fish hunters. Orca is actually the largest of the oceanic dolphins, and probably the most intelligent, possibly smarter than us (though in a very different, alien,way).
swordwhale1 1 month ago
I would not dare go near those animals simply on kayak! No effin way! You guys have balls made out of metal! Lol
toddwills 1 month ago
@toddwills Several kayak videos with whales next to them. Safer than being around a bunch of great whites. I be a little nervous then about falling over..
skjoyner 4 days ago
Aah, you're lucky! <3
PinkyyDancer 1 month ago
Black guys gonna die first.
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francissanfo717 1 month ago
Under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, what would be considered harassment? Personally, I'd love to do this, but I won't if it's illegal. So could someone explain to this midwestern boy, the rules regarding kayak's, boats etc. around, whales and dolphins?
CubfanDaMann 1 month ago
They don t called them killer whale for nothing.
SpecialNerfServices 2 months ago
where found this is place?
mahony121212 2 months ago
@mahony121212 San Juan Islands, Washington state, USA.
jiminy82 2 months ago
Voll cool! So nah an diesen wunderbaren Gottesgeschöpfe! Ich liebe Orcas soooooooo sehr! Danke für dieses Video! :o)
Orcina53 2 months ago
what time of year was this? summer? I would love to do that if I there are killer whales around!
OzKelsey 2 months ago
not being racist, but that's the first black person i have seen anywhere near the water. Ever seen a black swimmer ?
K0K4NE 2 months ago
Further to my comments earlier, I have spent considerable time among Orca, have sponsored 20+ year studies of them, have lectured at universities on their behaviour and psychology and sailed the oceans for more then 50 years.Captivity for Orca has much in common with human slavery. Their own echolocation becomes painful to them inside pools which resemble what a 6 x 4 room may be to us.It is not a beauty but a cruel sadness driven by commercialism and sadness.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
A wrath unspeakable in them and us too
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
If Orcas weren't in captivity, serving as a living statue of illimitable beauty, an entire generation of naturalists might not find their path, or people seek to preserve wild places and the Orca's wrath, unbound off the shores of Patagonia, like a murderer taking what pinnipeds time will allow- so please- let's not talk in fantasy speak- these dominate apex predators can adapt and once in captivity, would starve and die if let free. That is the end of the analysis and story. Bless them all & u
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 True, they can adapt to captivity, much as a human adapts to slavery. On release frequently either would display dysfunctionality. I recommend all read the appropriate studies, particularly those such as Dr Ingrid Visser's still ongoing 26 year study or read Frank Hodgeson's book "Pictures in the Dolphin Mind" to discover who these creatures are and how they think. Imagine the rest of your life in a 6 x 4 cell, that's a pool to an orca. Fantasy speak = ignorance.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
Delphinids, including Orca, form the strongest familiar bonds known, occasionally preferring death to separation. Orca have an intellect probably equal to our own, no surprise that they turn on their captors occasionally. They are harmless to humans if undisturbed in the wild. Their "trainers" dont do it for love, they get paid like any other warden.
tiopirata2 3 months ago
@tiopirata2
"Preferring death to separation", lol, listen to you testify for the Orca- almost as ridiculous as the underlying sentiment, as if, in the end, your delusion works and is
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 There is a huge body of study confirming this, as well as decades of observation, particularly of odontoceti strandings and behaviour. Not delusion, fact. I was a lecturer at Massey University on the psychology of these creatures, I have studiedand recommend all of you do the same. The great naturalists, Dr Ingrid Visser, Frank Hodgeson et al, studied them in the wild as well as captivity and learned more from wild populations.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
For all your purported knowledge, it cannot undo the fact that Orcas re-released back to the wild starve. As for you characterizing captive Orcas as "slaves"- taken to illogical conclusion, every single creature in any form of captivity is therefore a slave. By analogy, if a human kills a creature to eat, does that make him or her a "murderer"? Do tell.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 I note that humans, chimps etc re released into the wild also fail to thrive, generally with worse outcomes then Orca. Delphinids are pack hunters in a very competitive environment. Releasing an Orca is not the same as putting it back into its natural environment which had once included its pod, ie its family. Delphinids spend their lives among their close relatives in their natural state yet not one of the very few orca released has been reunited with their kin. More..
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2 If you were to capture a young human, lock it away in a very small space for decades then release it into the wild while in relatively poor physical condition, as has been the case with every released Orca, the likely outcome is certain death. Slavery is an analogy only but does describe a lifetime of captivity and servitude without care for the intelligence of such a creature as this. I have no issue with killing, particularly if survival justifies it.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2 It should also be noted that a pool for a delphinid is like a dark cupboard for us. Years in such would reduce our eyesight and the finite concrete pool environment has a similar effect on Delphinid echolocation. Further, every Orca currently in captivity shows evidence of muscular atrophy. We can see that for various reasons their odds of survival on release are nowhere near as good as their odds had they never been captured. I recommend you study before your next post.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
For all your condescending banter, you only add credence to my argument: to free Orcas in captivity is to give them a death sentence. But thanks for the heads up that Orcas are pack hunters. People like yourself think you are so smart, but most of your drivel ("sharks attack people on account of mistaken identity!") is a pretext to condition the public to acquiesce to groupthink that is, in the end, utterly divorced from actual Science. I see that as sad.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
Perhaps the violent propensities and refined mastery of the art of killing that Orcas' wield is a "dark cupboard" to you and others in academia, i.e., with such a heightened and glorified sense of self-perceived knowledge. Stated differently, your knowledge of these apex predators- whose species-specific adaptations are analogous to mankind's ruthless dominion over his own ecosystem- is derived merely from books. Ah, me.
"To know and to act are one and the same." - Takuan
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 All predators are master killers, or extinct. You are not making much sense here and you are plainly not bothering to undertake any further study, rather preferring to bombard with opinion. The facts really are out there, and as I suggested earlier you should do as I have. I also pointed out my 50 years at sea, direct observation and interaction with delphinids so this is not just academic. Go forth and learn before your next posting. Hear from you in a few years.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
Further study on what, evolution? Unlike you, evolution and population genetics was the primary thesis of my undergraduate work at the #2 school in the US for Anthropology. I've been an attorney for about a decade and own a separate company in a $6 billion industry. Stop talking down to people that intimidate you.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2
For the record, you haven't pointed out anything novel or particularly noteworthy on this thread, so stop stroking yourself and seeking some form of stilted applause. As for your 50 years at sea, maybe you need to spend some time on land and learn some people skills. Imagine that, coming from litigator.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
As an aside, I find it absolutely laughable how the people that spend their lives, say, physically "tagging" sharks or taking photos of Orca dorsal fins to document individuals take such great airs for their efforts, as if, in the end, "spending quality time" among these creatures somehow yields this unassailable insight into sociobiological dynamics. What nonsense. The data is available to all. Any educated person can make their own theories. Get over yourself.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 And now we are in a pissing match, I am at a loss to understand your anger. Given your academic record then, why not source this data which you also point out is available. "Any educated person can make their own theories" as you say, but these require data, and in this instance data provided by those scientists who "spend quality time" with their subjects. I point out that my achievements are equal to and similar to your own, no need to battle here, rather to debate.
tiopirata2 2 months ago
@tiopirata2
My expertise in sharks, not Orcas, although I know a fair amount about Orcas compared to most. Let me provide an example. 90% or more of all "top marine biologist" allege that sharks attack people on account of "mistaken identity". This assertion, however, is contradicted by nearly all the available scientific evidence and, conspicuously, is not even subject to the scientific method. If anything, pelagic sharks predictably arrive at maritime disasters to feed on human prey.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
Conspicuously, the premise of "mistaken identity" defies not only the undisputed data that sharks have a wide array of perceptive faculties that could easily differentiate prey- but it defies basic precepts of natural selection as well: to posit that a pelagic shark could not differentiate between a fat-rich pinniped and a seafaring primate would be an injurious trait. White sharks, for example, do not even attack human prey in the same ambush style they attack agile pinnipeds. That's the data.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
Why is this relevant here? I have had several purported shark "experts" attempt to bolster their unscientific theories (e.g., sharks are not man-eaters) on account of their academic and/or "research" experience. I'm left thinking: if human remains have ALWAYS been found inside sharks- and the data of human migration patterns proves H. erectus/sapiens have been utilizing the marine ecosystem for over 2mm years...how can anyone credibly contend sharks don't know what we are? Puzzling.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
I think it is a sad commentary on the state of marine biology, if not Science itself, when people use their purported expertise to orchestrate some sort of public relations charade for sharks. I mean, I understand the premise: if people are conditioned to see sharks as "misunderstood" predators, they may be more apt to support conservation. But at what point does a scientist or naturalist have to see things as they are- and dispassionately question prevailing dogma? The truth works and is.
kmkfiction2 2 months ago
@kmkfiction2 We seem mostly in agreement. I have no doubt also that sharks know very well what we are. My contention with this thread however was with Orca captivity, obviously I would like to see the practice fade to distant memory. I also agree with the necessity to "dispassionately question the prevailing dogma" Carry on then
tiopirata2 2 months ago
You guys just lived my dream... damn... I dislike you... buuut will LIKE this video because it's EPIC!! :)
nikalik 3 months ago
Knowing they are nick named "wolves of the sea" the moment that they got that close to me, I would have shit my kayak and cried mama.
nevilleblackphoto 3 months ago
i'd literally shit myself.
sincerelymaay 3 months ago
Killer whales are the largest species of dolphin, so there's no reason for us to be scared of them. You don't see people freakin out about Flipper attacking them do you?
SqueakerJenks 3 months ago
@SqueakerJenks Depends what type of killer whales they are. resident killer whales eat mainly salmon so are harmless but offshore and transient killer whales eat other whales, seals and penguins, so i would watch out for those. killer whales in captivity have been known to attack trainers although that is most likely provoked.
katieofishsticks 3 months ago
Do orcas attack humans?
beautifulstar33 3 months ago
Weren't you guys nervous about them attacking the kayaks?
Three1Bravo 3 months ago
They are just big puppies...despite them eating seals...but they are harmless to us. I dunno why people are so scared of them.
SpartanForgeWorld300 3 months ago
@SpartanForgeWorld300 They are called KILLER whales for a reason, they are aquatic MURDERERS. They kill their own trainers who put love and time into training them, they kill everything. They have no remorse at all and these people are idiots for getting so close to these BEASTS in kayaks...
BloodyPaperclip 3 months ago
@BloodyPaperclip I saw one befriend a dog and a family one time. It was like a puppy dog. It was a full grown male too. Maybe it's just a rare occurance. Because I seen some great whites and bull sharks befriend a few people already...in the wild...hell, even heards of bull sharks were acting like puppies towards him. guess he's just a animal whisperer or something. lol
SpartanForgeWorld300 3 months ago
wow nice beauty
TheWalech 3 months ago
Lmao. Hey mike smile man.. (claps hands)
sosbombs 3 months ago 6
shit I get out of the water when the dolphins start getting too close!
jbrun009 3 months ago
so suicidal... so stupid... so lucky...
YogDodoth 3 months ago
they would have breached right under my kayak
JJ0KERB0I 3 months ago
I don't think they understand how lucky they were... Orca's are killing machines
TheWigglyduff 4 months ago
@TheWigglyduff Not these ones... at least if you are not a fish. Resident Orcas of Washington state and British Columbia are strictly chinook salmon eaters. They do not touch anything else.
jiminy82 4 months ago 4
@jiminy82 I stand corrected
TheWigglyduff 4 months ago
@jiminy82 Do they get in some sort of trouble if they do? Like a fine or gaol time? Do the laws differ, state to state?
samorasquid 2 months ago
@samorasquid They receive a yellow card for the first offense, a red card for the second.
jiminy82 2 months ago
@jiminy82 ya ...wrrong
skangmox 2 months ago
@jiminy82 thats what the people with pet monkeys think till their faces get ripped off too.
commandoandobigpond1 2 months ago
@TheWigglyduff Orcas don't eat people.....
TheWormakaJUICE 4 months ago
i wouldve like died from being so freakin scared. thats freaky
syrenneWho 4 months ago in playlist Orca - Killer Whale
i would shat my pants
uglydollsinc123 4 months ago
muito bom !!!! que emoção!!!
josepperodrigues 4 months ago
That's amazing! You guys are so lucky. :D
EllisBerman 4 months ago
Listen, Killer Whales have such unbridled power, their wrath is at their discretion, as seal pups hiccup fluke to air hard to share the sight or plight of such maddening wrath. I don't doubt Telly will kill again. Waiting, waiting...to complete what time will allow. As shadows fall, the cut seal forgives the plow.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
Sociobiology is understanding that each creature has species-specific adaptations to fully realize its inclusive fitness via dispassionate discharge of its ecological niche. Everyone accepts that Koala bears are highly specialized feeders, whereas many struggle to acknowledge Tiger/White/Bull/Oceanic Whitetip sharks have adapted to eat arguably the widest array of actual prey, including terrestial species that wash out to sea, or men that walked a plank, crooked and cursed the sharks attack thee
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2
listen sausage, if you want to communicate easily then use language people can readily understand. Technical references and specific terminology is fine when your sipping wine with the professors,but FUCK ME its a pain in the ass trying to duplicate what your on about. it sounds like typical psychology bullshit which sounds intelligent but ultimately turns out to be bollocks.
no offence.
baldycoup 4 months ago
@baldycoup
whatever you say, dollface.
kmkfiction2 4 months ago
According to the standard phylogenetic tree, whales are known to be the descendants of terrestrial mammals that had hindlimbs. There are many cases where whales have been found with rudimentary atavistic hindlimbs in the wild. Notably Kyoquot station, Vancouver island 1919 case . For super books about nature & science try, ' The greatest show on earth ' & ' Unweaving the rainbow ' by scientist Richard Dawkins
zytigon 5 months ago
I am stronger than an Orca, I ripped one in half with my bare hands
workatthefarm 5 months ago
Sharks are not man eating machines?! i would like to see you prove that theory.
brickwall911 5 months ago
@brickwall911
Sharks aren't machines.
Sharks evolved to eat things that are not people, since people typically stay on land anyway.
Doioioioi.
WALKINGonaSPIRAL 5 months ago
@brickwall911 I would like to see finally find american that doesnt make stupid comments.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
@Pvjinflight
Ah me, another Euro-goober investing intelligence into ignorance and dispensing judgmental gibberish regarding sharks. That's right, genius. They are documented man-eaters. You have not slightest clue what ecological niche a pelagic shark even occupies, much less fully comprehend what a generalist feeder even means. You are like a helpless Haitian in the FL straits losing what little strength you have, like a swimmer, and I can feed on your folly at my caprice and my leisure.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 Sharks do not normally attack humans, and when they do they are either abnormal or mistake human to some of their natural food.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
@Pvjinflight Why do you talk about sharks "making a mistake" by attacking a human? No scientific evidence supports such an inference, given their finely-tuned perceptive faculties. Moreover, such an injurious trait would contravene Natural Selection. By definition, GENERALIST feeders do not "make mistakes" when feeding on available resources, e.g., after a maritime disaster. The fact it is statistically infrequent hardly supports the inference an "abnormal" or "sick" shark was responsible. Duh.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 Ofc they can mistake human on surf board for example to turtle. But whatever, still mosquitos kill hundreds of times more humans every year by diseases that some of them are spreading than sharks do. Just the fact that sharks do kill few people yearly does not make it right to kill them any more than any other predator animal, pet dogs kill more anyway.
And still I cant remember any case where shark has eaten human after first attacking it.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
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@Pvjinflight
Can't remember "any case where shark has eaten human after first attacking it?" Google shark attack with "Lloyd Skinner". Oh snap! You are wrong again.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
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kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 But anyway if sharks are man eating machines then dogs, mosquitos and bears are man killing machines too.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
@Pvjinflight
For someone so pompous, your analysis is puny and trivial, if not completely non sequitur.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 Whatever, your comments are boring to read anyway as you cant write clear language and lack common sense like americans mostly do. Your analysis are based on movies.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
@Pvjinflight
Your inability to even formulate an intelligent response simply proves your utter ignorance on the subject of sociobiology and just proves your arrogance stems from cultural insecurity. Maybe you should see the world first- before you comment on the dynamics that sustain it, silly video game geek.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 You sound like retard.
Pvjinflight 5 months ago
@kmkfiction2 - You obviously like to use big words. But I know it is a sham. If you were as smart as you are trying to sound you wouldn't bother having an argument on this topic in, this kind or forum with that person.
stevos14a 5 months ago
@stevos14a
A sham? As in, abra cadapbra (sic.)?
It's all true, swear on my life, I'd even swear on you.
Conspicuously, your inferences underscore the same kind of unfounded speculation my analysis on shark attacks disproves (e.g., "mistaken identity" hypothesis). See? irony isn't just a literary device. It works and is, like the freedom to be several things at once.
kmkfiction2 5 months ago
I wonder how much poo poo those kayaks can hold?
001gvare 5 months ago 21
@001gvare "The heavier your load, the better you'll float" (Archimedes)
medianatie 3 months ago
COOOOOOOOOL!
Shiver161 5 months ago
holy shit id have a panic attack lmao but that looks awesome.
faisaltastic 5 months ago 8
I only can say "woooowww"
reisy46 5 months ago
Seeing this in real life is absolutely amazing - I kayak around Auckland in New Zealand, and we run into a pod if were super lucky at the right time of year, its one of the most amazing feelings having one of those swim under your kayak.
MiguelFlambe 6 months ago
this video would be so much more exciting if the whales tip the kayakers over for fun
golfmaniac007 6 months ago
this would be a dream come true to me!! ive never acually seen a whale yet .. but hopefuly one day! lol ... awesome vid brutha
goonsquad2010 6 months ago
@OreoKat133 i would beat you to it..i was crapping my pants watching this.
haveumetmark 6 months ago
Doing what you did in this video is my dream. One day I'm going to kayak with Orcas.
gamerlayne 6 months ago
Beautiful creatures! But weren't you scared? The are so big! And they can flip you around like a ragdoll! But still they are beautiful!
JamesAndAurora 6 months ago
omg i want to do that!!
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RevelationHU55 6 months ago
@RevelationHU55 fuck off you twat
TheBestDamnThing94 6 months ago
Orca are actually dolphins, for what it's worth. Cool video though!
MrAPEMothership08 6 months ago 2
@MrAPEMothership08 Its nice to know that SOMEONE knows this fact besides me! No one ever believes they are part of the dolphin family! Finally someone of intelligence! Thank you. That made my day
kmv1217 5 months ago
AWESOME
hotlikefireee 6 months ago
i love every kind of shark or whale is also wanna see them so close like you O-O
I just don´t understand how many people can kill them for somethin so unimportant like money -.- it´s just sad that lot of people just don´t understand that they we are only destroying our wonderful planet for money but if our planet is destroyed we willbe dead and they´ll not need their money anymore
TheLostplanet2 6 months ago
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seasnake321 6 months ago
ICH WILL AUCH!!!!!! Boa, Ihr habt diese wunderschönen Orcas so nah erleben dürfen! Mein größter Traum! :o)
Orcina53 6 months ago
Mike is cute. I would be terrified.
BlancheDubois 6 months ago
So lucky to be so close. Something I could only dream of.
navyang3l 6 months ago
"DONT..... CAPSIZE..." lol.
Onlinepoetrycafe 6 months ago
Lol watch out they don't like it wen you get near their herd.
CelestialMare 6 months ago
next thing they know there are under a 40 ton whale...
jdwhite2001 6 months ago
THIS IS AS MY OLD UNCLE JIMMY USED TO SAY:
'KILLER WHALES, LIKE THE CORNER SHOP, RUN FOR COVER, IN THE MORNING FOG'
Threepwoodist 6 months ago
Scary staff but you're so lucky!
dypodo 6 months ago
that scared the shit out of me watching this at the start! haha
TheNickthequik 6 months ago
I would be shitting in my pants
misakisheraz 7 months ago
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i wuda shit all over my self
yomammalockin 7 months ago
So, you're the bravest kayakers ever. I would have been like, "That's awesome! I totally shat myself!"
JenniferArmintrout 7 months ago 3
I feel like shit stink
versusg1 7 months ago
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versusg1 7 months ago
I would either be crying or speechless. That would be so amazing to see them that close~
TillyKyKayKat 7 months ago
You won't believe how jealous i am right now!
24avril08 7 months ago
5**********
spamstoper3 7 months ago
I envy you.
AlyfromtheWoods 7 months ago
Don't be hating that they were up close to the wolfes of the sea and you werent
ANEpting000 7 months ago
I always swim with a pack of killer whales. They keep the sharks away.
ihateuutube 7 months ago
Wonderful! I'm going to Vancouver Island or any other island around Canada, when I'm a little bit older and have money, ( I'm 22 today ) But do you think it's.. " safe " to have a system camera with you ? or maybe I should stick to my digital camera,? haha
MrCountdownical 7 months ago
It's not like they'll attack you. I'd still be afraid though, and yet totally amazed. They only attack when they feel threatened or if they they have some kind of illness or are just starving to death.
KrissyBearLuvsYou 7 months ago
F**k that! i would have had a heart attack!!
jangiie 7 months ago
Seriously awesome... Oh and it would also be nice to look at a video without some stupid ass vegan talkin about how they should not be in captivity. Or how they are not killer whales but orcas or how they are part of the dolphin family... Seriously sick of everyone making something political that doesn't need to be. They are in kayaks in the ocean and they saw whales up close= awesomeness. Wish I could experience it.
locsphere 7 months ago
@locsphere How is referring to the natural family tree of cetaceans political? They ARE related to dolphins...nothing political. It's pure biological fact.
wannabedesi 7 months ago
@wannabedesi Seriously... I was being facetious, I don't care what they are because I already know what they are and being PC about it and avoiding the term "killer Whale" because its not entirely accurate really isn't necessary. I also feel I don't need a school lesson every time I come on youtube. Plus everyone hate the people who are constantly correcting everyone. Just enjoy the show was my point and case. But hey, I digress...
locsphere 7 months ago
i would of shit a brick
chilenotildeath 7 months ago
did they died?
Rhysceee 8 months ago
I would be shitting my pants
Stephion1988 8 months ago
Orca's are actually part of the dolphin family! And are called 'killer whales' because they are one of the only animals that actually kill other whales ! They also have another name which is wolves of the sea ! As they work in a pack !
This video is amazing and I am going to British columbia this summer and plan on doing this it should be amazing !
lewjohnandy 8 months ago
Why does everyone assume Orcas kill and eat humans ? Fact is they don't, first we are not on their menu and second they'd kill only if you meant threat to them.
thybuilder 8 months ago
@thybuilder
I wonder if that trainer at Sea World who was killed by 1 would agree with you?
chozn11 7 months ago
@chozn11 Orcas souldn't be in captivity in first place. And if you still believe these are vicious animals google it. They don't kill something if it's not in their diet plans. however they'll kill you if felt threatened or mistake you for a meal.
thybuilder 7 months ago
@chozn11 That orca was driven insane by being held captive in a fucking swimming pool. Let's put you in a footlocker for a few years and see of a few of your screws don't come loose.
Hoopermazing 7 months ago 24
@Hoopermazing And you apparently had that whale in a psychiatric session and it told you that right.. If you are stupid enough to Kayak with them, when they flip out and attack you , you deserve it. Bottom line No 1 can determine when or why some wild animal attacked you. Its all speculation why someone gets killed because not one animal told anyone anything.
chozn11 7 months ago
@chozn11
A human has never been killed by a wild orca and researchers and film crews swim with them in the wild all the time. In captivity an orca attacks a trainer on average once a month and 4 trainers have been killed. What does that tell you.
hateseaworld 7 months ago 2
@hateseaworld i agree that the people there are tempting them to do it and a wild animal should not be taught to do un natural things just to make money is wrong
doggieluva310 7 months ago
@hateseaworld i'd like to see the statistics for orcas that were born into captivity.
fkkkkkenig 6 months ago
@fkkkkkenig
(just to clarify) Are you talking about statistics for captive born orca attacks on trainers?. If so then the most aggressive orca in captivity at the moment is captive born (orkid). There are several captive born orcas who are only allowed to be handled by the most senior trainers because of aggression)
If you want the actual statistics look them up on orcahome(dot)de
hateseaworld 6 months ago
@fkkkkkenig
oh and a captive born whale called Keto killed his trainer at Loro Parque in spain a couple of years ago (the whale was bred by and belongs too seaworld).
hateseaworld 6 months ago
@hateseaworld interesting.
fkkkkkenig 6 months ago
I love kayaking! But i wouldnt kayak with killer whales, not till i know more about them
TheTricky145 8 months ago
wow, yall are pretty chill to be that close to something that could, ya know, KILL YOU.
aquaeyes97 8 months ago
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thybuilder 8 months ago
your lucky they werent hungry at the moment lol
GEOdozer420 8 months ago
YOU MUTHAFUCKAS ARE CRAZY
AnytimeNigguh 8 months ago
56 people shat their pants.
TheCaseyHamilton 8 months ago
I am not trying to state than an Orca is more dangerous than a Shark or vice versa. I was just replying a comment that said that sharks "pretty much go for anything" or something like that. There are few reported Orca attaks on humans, as almost any carnivore could attack and also possibly kill a human being.
But to answer your question, it just a matter of shared habitat and statistics. Humans are mostly attacked by reef Shaks, near towns and beaches.
xThrashMonkeyx 8 months ago
key word killer. kayaks look like food from below
goaliedude32 8 months ago
what beautiful, intelligent animals
FloridaRaider 8 months ago
I we're like. Mama!! Come take me please.
aleksoboom 8 months ago
wow werent you guys scared?!?!!?!
Rona004 8 months ago
nice post in July 2010 i was on shore by the light house on san juan island watching a pod of orcas swim right past a group of kayakers just like you.
citrix69 8 months ago
So Cool!!! :)
MandyBooVLDarkMoon 8 months ago
you would not see me doing that!
UpNorthLiving2011 8 months ago
@outofthepit: Yeah, that movie totally destroyed my childish image of a killer whale. I still love them and think they're beautiful, but I know they can eat you now, lol
CyberGothWannabe 8 months ago
wow u guys were lucky they didnt consider u food!!
CT2507 8 months ago
oh !!! my fave sport mixed w/my fave animal !!! id be in heaven !!!
fAnGeDkOrNfAn 8 months ago
ever seen the movie orca?
outOFthePITT 9 months ago