HARDCORE FOR LIFE FUCK THAT HXC BULLSHIT WITH THERE FUCKING EMO PUSSYA ND BREAKDOWNS THAT SHIT AINT HARDCORE MURPHYS LAW THATS HARDCORE BLACK FLAG MADBALL HATEBREED THATS FUCKING HARDCORE
If it wasnt for NYHC i would be living right now. thanks to the hardcore family. growing up on E4th and Ave B. shitty times but these guys picked me up off the floor and wiped away the tears i had dropped over friends who died over drugs.. thanks guys and the hole New York Hardcore Family
Damn, I remembering seeing these guys when I was in 5th of 6th grade with my dad and Madball was there. It was the best show ive ever been to! My dad was going crazy and shit, me and him are gonna see Madball on the 24th of january :D 5th time seeing them!
@lemonpledge7093 lol you can go back in time and come along with us :D all that stage diving and shit we did to Agnostic Front and Madball was and still is crazy :D
@TCon902 Yes to all except Bllod For Blood. Can not abide by that "Victimcore" as I call it. Real Hardcore was about getting through the hard times with what you had to be stronger. Not use it as an excuse to whinge, whine and act like a vcitim. Most of us in the HxC scene had our problems and come from challenging backgrounds. I know I do. And so do my crew. What is B4B's excuse for not rising up with us. Real HxC bands ought to refuse to play with them and bands like them.
when the mainstream thinks of hardcore today, they think of those wimpy bands like i killed the prom queen and the devil wears prada. either that, or they call it metal, which is just as ridiculous. well, whatever - as long as it keeps them out of the real deal, cuz we don't want them in with us, anyway.
@deafcon4 That's true, funniest part is, when hardcore first came about it was influenced by the punk era - drinking, smoking and drug taking, so it's quite the opposite. Search "Straight Edge movie" (yes there is actually a movie, was released a few months ago) and Ian Mackaye from Minor Threat (coined the term "straight edge") actually discusses straight edge (particularly militant straight edge people and groups such as FSU) with distaste, pretty interesting.
@deafcon4 Great point my friend! But on a side note coming from one who didnt go the straight edge route the straight edge guys were right...............
@deafcon4 Who thinks hardcore means straight edge? Because here in new york no one thinks that. In fact, I'm pretty sure the straight edge scene is me and my friends, and we play in a ska band.
@deafcon4 Amen. I love how the only straight edge guy in Minor Threat was Ian MacKaye and he didn't even want it to be a movement. It was his personal choice because he came from a Christian background, and nowadays it's changed into this "lets go beat the crap out of everybody that gets drunk".
Has to be said RIP Raybeez. You will always be considered among the best of us by me. Even though I never met you. Let all the kids and so called hardcore faithful argue about which sound was better. I know if you could speak once more you would tell us Hardcore was a way of life and expression of unity, being true to ourself and others. Not about a sound.
Ahh their early skinhead punk shit was the best, but for some ression not diggin too much of the newer shit.. Ohh well they're still a sick ass fucking band, Fuckin love AF!
Love this song, love the brotherhood in AF lyrics and it's awesome to see old school meeting "new school" (Roger Miret and jamey Jasta). Must be really cool to live among the NYHC scene...
always amazes me how a band who didn't change get poppy & came out of that real street New York HC scene got so popular across genre lines. I guess cause most people outside of NY think NYHC is just dressing up, getting some tattoos, and standing at shows, like how punk rock is in most cities. if more people knew how serious the NYHC scene has been since the 80s people would be talking almost as bad about them as they do GG Allin. too many actual outlaws in that scene for the public
I think AF's message is tight, their music is awesome, lyrics are deep and they even put on a sick live show, i just cant get into to the vocals it just sounds like a half shout, at least is coherent
@ZeRoO4478 originally all members of the punk scene were called skinheads because we shaved our heads to rebel against long hair which was becoming the norm
@BlankTV I always thought they were....I never really looked into it though....the song addiction kinda made me think they were, but preaching against falling to addiction doesnt really mean preaching pure straight edge I guess...Im not straight edge, if they are or not doesnt really matter to me, they are still amazing
At what point am I going to have to stop explaining what a Skinhead is to stupid bonehead wannabes? Been explaining it since 87 and folks still dont get it. Guess we still to need to explain it to them the old fashion way...wink wink.
i dont like hardcore labels, only like the hardcore in way of thinking,
do you people really think agnostic front listen to their own albums everyday? or death before dishonor listen to their own music, i love play d - beat, on the drums ;) dont cear about the dressing part or the violence... i mean yeah, dont get me wrong
38 person suck dick
vitinh0550 11 months ago
Hardcore Volume 100% open !
RoelFlyingV 11 months ago
Fuck NYHC
CriticalSammy 11 months ago
madball was better.
LogannDevine 11 months ago
SLAPSHOT: FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!
cc305dd 11 months ago
HARDCORE FOR LIFE FUCK THAT HXC BULLSHIT WITH THERE FUCKING EMO PUSSYA ND BREAKDOWNS THAT SHIT AINT HARDCORE MURPHYS LAW THATS HARDCORE BLACK FLAG MADBALL HATEBREED THATS FUCKING HARDCORE
BigJulesSays 11 months ago
Muy buenos Riff
Txustavo 11 months ago
AWESOME :-)
There is nothing better than some "dirty" NYHC
Ratpack006 11 months ago
Agnostic Front are from NYC? Really? Holy hell, its a good thing they us every single damn song otherwise we would forget!!
fahim113 11 months ago
@fahim113: no they don't, you only know those songs where they say NY HC because you didn't even bother listening to their other songs in the cd...
Sh1ftypower 11 months ago
@fahim113 only 90 percent of their songs
levrulz 11 months ago
Nuuu meettaall is deeeaaaddd
IDieHardALot 11 months ago
i am missing billy milano
WorlddestroyGuy 11 months ago
fucking the bestttt !
YESONE069 11 months ago
wannabe thugs
iAMnoxon 1 year ago
@iAMnoxon
no dude, they're not wannabe thugs...theire musicians...
better life than you ;) so shut the motherfucking fuck up!
alseenpotvis 11 months ago
he reminds me of mike muir..great tunes i only discovered them now..where was i living under a rock? lol
stephanied6 1 year ago
@stephanied6 well, if you know Mike Muir then I guess that you never lived under a rock dude!!
glglous 1 year ago
@glglous what do you mean?
stephanied6 11 months ago
@glglous oooh I get it now...had to read my post ...i forgot what i said lol
stephanied6 11 months ago
wicked man! :-)
0vendetta 1 year ago
I dont understand why hopper use this style too....
CruachCrux 1 year ago
2:04 Lars Frederiksen, and Tim Armstrong
watchthiscityfall 1 year ago
lars n tim from rancid at 2:04, am i right?
both rancid and agnstic front rocks as fuck!
prspedro 1 year ago
@prspedro HAHA I commented without seeing yours, fuck yeah, Rancid and AF.
watchthiscityfall 1 year ago
@watchthiscityfall Probably my fav punk and hardcore bands xD
LUDAKA775 1 year ago
@LUDAKA775 Yeah same here.
watchthiscityfall 1 year ago
Too bad they went mainstream, this song owns btw
n4rCotiC666 1 year ago
i love hardcore. i love how it shows friendship and love for each other. how everybody have each others back.
de4mos 1 year ago
agnostic front son los putos dioses del NYHC!!
PUENTE ALTO HARDCORE 39 EL REFUGIO!!
juanohcpunk 1 year ago
not gonna lie i like agnostic front and new york hardcore but boston hardcore all the way
thehaydn 1 year ago
If it wasnt for NYHC i would be living right now. thanks to the hardcore family. growing up on E4th and Ave B. shitty times but these guys picked me up off the floor and wiped away the tears i had dropped over friends who died over drugs.. thanks guys and the hole New York Hardcore Family
samthedeadhead666 1 year ago
This is my Favorite Band. Hobluj kurva hobluj
Robbobgray 1 year ago 2
my favorite song is warriors! gets me so pumped to support Obama! OREOS THROUGH AND THROUGH, OREOS FOR LIFE!!!
MuslimTerroristBomb 1 year ago
Damn, I remembering seeing these guys when I was in 5th of 6th grade with my dad and Madball was there. It was the best show ive ever been to! My dad was going crazy and shit, me and him are gonna see Madball on the 24th of january :D 5th time seeing them!
HairNetsRock 1 year ago 2
@HairNetsRock Geez, can I go back in time and borrow your dad? lol Hell of an upbringing. :)
lemonpledge7093 1 year ago
@lemonpledge7093 lol you can go back in time and come along with us :D all that stage diving and shit we did to Agnostic Front and Madball was and still is crazy :D
HairNetsRock 1 year ago
Hell yeah, I love this song and video!! NYC Reppin' !!!!
XXXProudSinnerXXX 1 year ago
Stigma's solos are the best in HC
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AntiFlagStef 1 year ago
Danny Lilker!!!!!!!
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QuinRaegan 1 year ago
Hey Lars and Tim are at 2.04!
Up the punks, skins, metalheads and hardcore dudes from Spain, sorry for mi english level XD
edu814 1 year ago 2
@edu814 good in my book man :)
beanz9316 1 year ago
for my bro. rest in peace
youdontknowme2020 1 year ago
i saw Danny Diablo with his Pitt and The Shotblockers and Lars and Tim (:
KAAOS909 1 year ago
great band great songs...pretty simple...
gordman100 1 year ago
Great song, but the thing that I like most is the pitbull in 0:57. Fucking beautiful pitbull.
Dexter956 1 year ago
lot of 2 step parts. *_*
alfnosn 1 year ago
NYHC > Boston Hardcore!
iboughtit 1 year ago
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Arkman1754 1 year ago
Metalheads,Punks and Skins unite!
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Arkman1754 1 year ago
I wanna see these guys play with Suicidal Tendencies.
BPRodifan 1 year ago
@BPRodifan I wanna see them with Madball, Blood For Blood and Terror.
TCon902 1 year ago
@TCon902 Yes to all except Bllod For Blood. Can not abide by that "Victimcore" as I call it. Real Hardcore was about getting through the hard times with what you had to be stronger. Not use it as an excuse to whinge, whine and act like a vcitim. Most of us in the HxC scene had our problems and come from challenging backgrounds. I know I do. And so do my crew. What is B4B's excuse for not rising up with us. Real HxC bands ought to refuse to play with them and bands like them.
Lodestar1977 1 year ago
they come in france, in our 59, on august!! It was a f***ing carnage hardcore!!
ArkHate59 1 year ago
New York HardCore Fucking rules!!!!!!!! End of discussion!!!!
toniodrummer 1 year ago 42
@toniodrummer boston mothafucka
JKablam 1 year ago
Very nice song. SADO MASO BAND
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Silvano8568 1 year ago
those are really clean punks lol
tootiekorps 1 year ago
STIGMA! Vinnie rips harder than ever!
geoffcabforcutie 1 year ago
Only thing i hate about BlankTV is the really anoying ''cuts'' out of the songs.
But Agnostic Front is a Keeper!! (y)
OhMyGodZebra 1 year ago
rofl is that jamey jasta at 2:00?
whitechapel313 1 year ago
gay
shmotz1989 1 year ago
@shmotz1989 stfu
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Quepi 1 year ago
this is real hardcore attidude..;)
bloodhoundgang95 1 year ago
Its sad.... there're so many kids out there that have now idea what hardcore really is and about.
hammercore 1 year ago 3
@hammercore
i know, right???
when the mainstream thinks of hardcore today, they think of those wimpy bands like i killed the prom queen and the devil wears prada. either that, or they call it metal, which is just as ridiculous. well, whatever - as long as it keeps them out of the real deal, cuz we don't want them in with us, anyway.
Metalbrain89 1 year ago
@Metalbrain89 RIGHT??? How the fuck do can you confuse true hardcore like this with Devil Wears Prada and shit?? That's fashioncore. That's bullshit.
geoffcabforcutie 1 year ago
OLD SCHOOL HARDCORE !!!!!!!!
BrassartPain 1 year ago
HARDCORE!
POGO ;-)
Kaesebrot95 1 year ago
HARDCORE 4EVER!!!!
franknoodles 1 year ago
Young people today seem to think that hardcore means straight edge,and it never did.Some hardcore bands were straight edge some were not.
deafcon4 1 year ago 106
@deafcon4 That's true, funniest part is, when hardcore first came about it was influenced by the punk era - drinking, smoking and drug taking, so it's quite the opposite. Search "Straight Edge movie" (yes there is actually a movie, was released a few months ago) and Ian Mackaye from Minor Threat (coined the term "straight edge") actually discusses straight edge (particularly militant straight edge people and groups such as FSU) with distaste, pretty interesting.
oFUDGEo 1 year ago
@oFUDGEo Actually Jeff Nelson Coined the term Straight Edge.
tbone2872 1 year ago
@deafcon4 Great point my friend! But on a side note coming from one who didnt go the straight edge route the straight edge guys were right...............
MrWer1138 1 year ago
@deafcon4 Who thinks hardcore means straight edge? Because here in new york no one thinks that. In fact, I'm pretty sure the straight edge scene is me and my friends, and we play in a ska band.
idiot1321 1 year ago
@deafcon4 in fact id say most werent straight edge
PLastiKOperationz 1 year ago
@PLastiKOperationz Absolutely.
deafcon4 1 year ago
@deafcon4 Fuck yeah, these guys ain't fuckin pussiez.In fact i think their diet consists solely of meat!!!!:))
sethx27 1 year ago
@deafcon4 straight edge sucks balls :D beer and hardcore ftw!
scimpi 1 year ago 5
@scimpi i am not in straight edge but you suck
punkerija 1 year ago
@punkerija "in" ?
n0b0d1r 1 year ago
@deafcon4 Amen. I love how the only straight edge guy in Minor Threat was Ian MacKaye and he didn't even want it to be a movement. It was his personal choice because he came from a Christian background, and nowadays it's changed into this "lets go beat the crap out of everybody that gets drunk".
roar329 1 year ago
@deafcon4 And i Am, If you are not, its your thing! sXe is for me and not for my mum my dad or someone else!
Hardcore is free, free for all opinions
ChaosxIXIx 11 months ago
@deafcon4 yeah people are dumb
meronmotors 11 months ago
at 2:01 hatebreed!
DomienTheMaggot 1 year ago
Lars and Tim.
Some nice friends he's got there.
Greetings from Germany!
CidViciouz 1 year ago
yay dan lilker @ 1:04 ^^
CriticalMass12 1 year ago
i hated this song the first time i heard it, but now i love it.
obscurouse 1 year ago
Stigma!
DIBEovSvarteHelvete 1 year ago
anyone know any other hardcore bands like this? and i mean Real fucking HxC not that bullshit scene kids listen to
IWillKillYourKids 1 year ago
@IWillKillYourKids DRI...Sick Of It All...Warzone...Black Flag...MDC...Neo-Nasties...Dead Subverts...need more ask.
deafcon4 1 year ago
@IWillKillYourKids M.O.D,S.O.D.,Suicidal Tendencies,D.R.I.,Broken Bones and many others
Naruhinafan666 1 year ago
Greetings to the hardcore family,
from holland
Hardcore pride!
NYHC2 1 year ago
@NYHC2 And you my man. Nice to meet you. Im all the wayn from Hull, East Yorkshire, England.
Hardcore 4 Life.
Lodestar1977 1 year ago
Thanks for the picture in the video of Sik Rik Wimert! He was the only father I ever had. R.I.P.
103calumet 1 year ago
I think i could be looking at my new fave band!
elliott3663 1 year ago
4-life
mikesmashdawop 1 year ago
I am a fan.
muledeer1976 1 year ago
Saw them last year in Austria... I thought my neck would break :O
NadineBreakdown 1 year ago
Has to be said RIP Raybeez. You will always be considered among the best of us by me. Even though I never met you. Let all the kids and so called hardcore faithful argue about which sound was better. I know if you could speak once more you would tell us Hardcore was a way of life and expression of unity, being true to ourself and others. Not about a sound.
Raymond "Raybeez" Barbieri
RIP
HARDCORE 4 LIFE
Lodestar1977 1 year ago
just seen them live 2 days ago....
3 words
hardcore for live!!!!
best wishes to all people out there who live this lifestyle....
SwissGuitar89 1 year ago
Hardcore is still more than musik.
I hate right HC Fuckers! Fuck of f all rascists in the hardcorescene!
STIGMA!
Milsane 1 year ago
@Milsane you're right... hardcore is more than musik.
it can actually be about music.
oxytrebor 1 year ago
Hardcore 4 life !!!!!
AF is one of the best of hardcore bands they're just awesome
wiebennekik 1 year ago
It is a very nice song;-) It is almost as good as hatebreed, and I love hatebreed
Brilonerbloodworker 1 year ago
Hardcore is such a positive sound!!!
x420xrich 1 year ago
AF at Hellfest this summer! Can't wait 19june!!
Tim and Lars trying to be bad ass at 2:04, funny!
Ayuemi81 1 year ago
SICK!!!!!
myrtomusicfreak 1 year ago
A mixture of Mod and Jamaican Rude Boy influences (and
later redefined by 2 Tone, Punk, Oi and Hardcore), Skinhead represents a
cross of cultures that came together to form a singular identity. From
the onset, it was a positive match. SO SUCK IT!!! HATERS LONG LIVE HARDCORE
HETOROC 1 year ago
for my family for my friends for those that we lost i say:
these is a message this is for u: never forget the lower east side crew!
deskiziao77 1 year ago
Ahh their early skinhead punk shit was the best, but for some ression not diggin too much of the newer shit.. Ohh well they're still a sick ass fucking band, Fuckin love AF!
punkfucksean 1 year ago
ihr seid alle huren söhne hahaha ;D
WaffeleisenRob1988 1 year ago
wtf :O lars frederiksen :O
ZeRoO4478 1 year ago
Bloody Shite
Dinosbrother 1 year ago
Al Barr at 1:50 ? : )
DerUNOMann 1 year ago
@DerUNOMann Yeah :)
dulishaEGK 1 year ago
1:01 who are those guys?
eramogon 1 year ago
al barr at 1:50?
holzkopf1 1 year ago
Roger Miret till the bone ! Hardcore !
RoelFlyingV 1 year ago
the singer really sux
041190Jarkal 1 year ago
2:04 tim and lars form RANCID!
angeltenorio 1 year ago
chickenshit conformist
"When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queerbashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
..."
arthwr 1 year ago
@arthwr nothing racisy about the front, lots of blacks and hispanics are fans and friends, but lyricsget misunderstood and people believe rumors
grimmdreadly 1 year ago
@grimmdreadly Yea... these guys are S.H.A.R.P. Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice.
mmafighter2727 1 year ago
Siked to see them tomorrow @ Eurocore Reunion @ Dynamo Eindhoven (nl)!
Never Forget this: Friends Family FOREVER! (©DB4D)
HC4FL 1 year ago
danny lilker! :)
PuckettJp2 1 year ago
fuckin awesome
deskiziao77 1 year ago
TEMASO... HXC UNITED
MrZOMBIEHXC 1 year ago
HxC, metal and punk!
abarca13loko 1 year ago
see them next week! i can't wait..
WorldwideHCpride 1 year ago
HC dudes.
No MTV sisy ass shits and little bitches.
Family(in many cases) is the only thing in our lives that we have to protect and belive
kill for ur mother and father sisters and brothers..
Bottoms UP!
povurnq 1 year ago 30
@povurnq fuck yeah
bloodynachos 1 year ago
@povurnq 5 Thumbs up for that shit if I could!! HC 4 LIFE!
Dt0x75 1 year ago
1:52 Al Barr?
dpmpunk86 1 year ago
@86 of course!!!
tennesseecrack 1 year ago
Thats Hardcore Punk. !
AlwaysTheHardway90 1 year ago
2.40 RANCID TIM & LARS
angeltenorio 1 year ago
Love this song, love the brotherhood in AF lyrics and it's awesome to see old school meeting "new school" (Roger Miret and jamey Jasta). Must be really cool to live among the NYHC scene...
cheers from portugal
ConvergeGrinds 1 year ago 3
always amazes me how a band who didn't change get poppy & came out of that real street New York HC scene got so popular across genre lines. I guess cause most people outside of NY think NYHC is just dressing up, getting some tattoos, and standing at shows, like how punk rock is in most cities. if more people knew how serious the NYHC scene has been since the 80s people would be talking almost as bad about them as they do GG Allin. too many actual outlaws in that scene for the public
XioJester 1 year ago
Is that Sik Ricky Wimmert at 1:52 after Al Barr? R.I.P. brother.
mthai66 1 year ago
damn, new agnostic front is... well a matter of taste. their old stuff was so much better to me
FOIIAD 1 year ago
I agree
XioJester 1 year ago
the janitors of New York unite!
ex1le444 1 year ago
Hey Jimmy.
That's not a band, just a few peeps from the scene hanging out although most of them play in bands!
ninjated 1 year ago
Here is one of the most favorite songs of this group! I would poslemilas under them, but they do not come to us ... but
If I'm writing is not clear - I'm from Ukraine ))))))
Amputatedful 1 year ago
FOREVER NYHC
frost135 1 year ago 2
the vocal is special :P ... the music is good
francismetalcob 1 year ago
Does anyone know the name of the band at 2:12? Thanks!
jimmybreaksIII 1 year ago
@jimmybreaksIII good question, not sure it is a band, but might be wrong! Somebody will know no doubt :D
ex1le444 1 year ago
April 21!!! C U There guys! Yihaaa!!!
... the 2nd time for me! ^^
BostonHardcorePunk 1 year ago
April 18!!! C U There guys! Yihaaa!!!
bessemsy 1 year ago
@bessemsy
thats my birthday ^^
RamonesClash 1 year ago
nice
killerpilze12 1 year ago
PERSISTENCE !
Metaxas360 1 year ago
Oi!
KerwasSau09 1 year ago 19
b.a.h.c
elemysk8 1 year ago
Thats what i call a real tribute to friends !!!!
HARDCORE !!!
jesseoi 2 years ago 35
I think AF's message is tight, their music is awesome, lyrics are deep and they even put on a sick live show, i just cant get into to the vocals it just sounds like a half shout, at least is coherent
HTHAR1 2 years ago 3
Agnostic Front. love from Brazil o/
danqs6 2 years ago
thats hella dope they put tim & lars from rancid in this
MrHobonation 2 years ago
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Straight Fuckin Edge
VikingStory 2 years ago
AF isn't sXe...at all.
sunset
BlankTV
BlankTV 2 years ago 20
lol
xHardcawx 1 year ago
@BlankTV why, for the skinhead thing??
ZeRoO4478 1 year ago
@ZeRoO4478 originally all members of the punk scene were called skinheads because we shaved our heads to rebel against long hair which was becoming the norm
grimmdreadly 1 year ago
@grimmdreadly SHARP skinheads or red skinheads are
ZeRoO4478 1 year ago
@ZeRoO4478 i think sharp but not sure. i know we didnt start getting facist skins in NYC until like 85 according to most accounts
grimmdreadly 1 year ago
@grimmdreadly xD haha well i see that sharps are dead they now call red skins but idk maybe im drunk and dont know what i say xD
ZeRoO4478 1 year ago
@ZeRoO4478 haha sorry i dont drink xD
ZeRoO4478 1 year ago
@ZeRoO4478 yeah unfortunately all the SHARPS grew out of the scene but the REDS are there in force
grimmdreadly 1 year ago
@BlankTV I always thought they were....I never really looked into it though....the song addiction kinda made me think they were, but preaching against falling to addiction doesnt really mean preaching pure straight edge I guess...Im not straight edge, if they are or not doesnt really matter to me, they are still amazing
gooseGWAR 1 year ago
@BlankTV Fuck no!! I met the guys last year at a gig. They're not straight edge man.
WhatsUpDuude 1 year ago
you bellend
str8edgehc 2 years ago
Hard core rules!!!!
from Torino
donnykamikaze 2 years ago
At what point am I going to have to stop explaining what a Skinhead is to stupid bonehead wannabes? Been explaining it since 87 and folks still dont get it. Guess we still to need to explain it to them the old fashion way...wink wink.
workingclass75 2 years ago 2
i dont like hardcore labels, only like the hardcore in way of thinking,
do you people really think agnostic front listen to their own albums everyday? or death before dishonor listen to their own music, i love play d - beat, on the drums ;) dont cear about the dressing part or the violence... i mean yeah, dont get me wrong
i dont diss the "scene" i just say, D.I.Y man
peace =)
Last resort - we rule ok!
horrorbusinezz 2 years ago 2
dumb?
themaniacSA 2 years ago