Seriously? Their robot did better than our team's. The arm is maybe over 16 inches, but you may not kick from the foot, the rules are fine with kicking below the knee.
The arm used to move the blue and white box is well over 16" in height and clearly outside of base (vertically) at the last restart. The judges are slackers and this isn't 400 points.
This is awesome. We have two different teams at my school and my friends were building cars and I took them apart because I thought they were playing. But this is why they yelled at me. P. S. All you guys saying four motors and illegal cars and stuff. It's obviously legal if they did it twice and got full credit. My team got 3rd place overall. We needed second in one area and we lost.
I am impressed, one person raised the question about car, if is not wind-up type it is legal, i.e. air pump motor... Lots of attachment, creativity, ingeniosity, strong on mechanical. I am from Canada, the only way kids can succeed like this is with lots of dedicated time to FLL program.
My kids were able to achieve 370 points, I promote concistency over high score. So I want then to make tasks much more efficient, modularity between attachment, and reusable code.
These guys broke lots of rules example wind ups are not allowed. Any way has anyone had problems getting to the other side of the board because we have and we are six days away from are competition help us!!!!!!!!!!!
@joaquimserrahima The judges, who FIRST (which is based in New Hampshire) considers to be among the best, scored this run at 400 points. The device that aligns the bone repair passes the connection test, as do all the other attachments. If you have other questions, they have probably already been answered in previous posts.
IMPORTANT!!! You are not allowed to use lego factory made pullback motors. Though I believe if you construct your own from a rubber band, it is allowed.
Also, i just noticed, at 35 when they are doing the syringe and doctor...2 drive motors, one motor doing the syringe, and another the doctor...0 points for them.
@didleeiowa There are only three motors. The arm that does the cells triggers the long arms to fall. The trail of force that kicks the ball is through the top of the leg as required and both of these things were checked by the referees that you called "slackers".
well, when the do the bad cell destruction, they have two motors with the drive wheels, they have one clearly visible mototr not doing anything, and they have an arm moving on it's own.
Very ingenious and creative designs on the robot. This is a very good example of utilizing all the resources that are allowed (rubber bands, the walls to reset robot, and the hidden freedoms rule). Very good work from the kids and the adults that mentored them.
If you look at the q&a of first, you can't hit the bone leg from the foot side. Also, you can only have 3 motors, and these guys obviously have 4. I would have loved to see the tech review. Also, the refs apparently were slackers. Thumbs Down.
@magicman441 No, although we won the Robot Performance and Robot Design awards we did not win the Champion's award and, even if we had, New Hampshire lost the lottery to send someone to the World Festival. The Champion's award went to a team that evangilized FIRST in India but did not make it into the playoff rounds of the robot competition.
@MissXylo Yes, we checked with FIRST and they agreed that it is allowed since there is nothing in the rules that prevents it. It falls under the hidden freedoms rule.
@MissXylo As a referee for the FLL Open Europeon Championships: It is allowed, as long as the pullback cars are triggered by the robot ONLY. Also the pullbackmotors have to be selfmade and not the standard pullbacks that are in some LEGO sets.
well done! we are a rookie team of 3rd and 4th graders. we have programmed for 395 points so far and are working hard for the last 5 points. At our regional competition the best score was only 245 but 9 days later we reached 370.
Amazing work. I thought you used pneumatics for the 2 rovers at the beginning of the match, but I see lower in the comments that it was rubber bands. A great example of converting potential energy to kinetic energy (to, of course, points!). I'm going to be showing this to my team as an example of the creative solutions kids can come up with.
The force used to move the leg comes from the light sensor arm hitting the top of the leg. It was discussed with the refs and they agreed that it was O.K. We also asked FIRST and they were fine with it too.
i an the oldest kid on my team and i have read the rules and they clearly state that for the goal to count you have to hit the leg from the top otherwise the goal doesn't count ......so i hate to burst you bubble but they only officially scored a 375
It is pretty amazing to me that someone by simply watching the video can determine whether or not the kids did the work. I would assume the judges at the tournament would be able tot determine pretty quickly if the kids didn't do the work.
Having coached a team that made it to an International competition last year, you would be amazed what these kids are capable of when they connect with the challenge... I am impressed... 400 this year is tough to get!
@domfranchino Seeing some other local teams (especially the Champions Award winner at the Finger Lakes Championship in NY) where I know the coaches and their philosophies and how they run their teams, I would ask you to reconsider your comment. You clearly did a great job with your team, and you understand how difficult it was to accomplish some of the tasks, etc., but it's unfortunate to see your response as a first reaction without knowing anything about this team or asking any questions...
@WWDougChin Bravo on the "wind up" car designs, very creative! Our team was a rookie team, and managed 300 at the Finger Lakes Championship in NY. Our top score possible currently is 370, and the robot is much less complex! We did win the robot design award and 2nd place in project presentation. Search for Finney Falcons FLL. Great job, 400 points on this table seemed impossible!
I am coach of a small Public school team with no funding. I am proud to say the kids didn't start building until late October when the team was formed, and that it is 100% their creation and programing and it earned them 245 at state. I doubt that this team can claim to have the same 100% student involvement with all phases of their build...
@domfranchino as the parent of one of the team members all I can say is if you knew these kids and their coaches you would think twice about your comment. This is a group of extremely bright boys who love this competition. They practice many, many hours and have coaches that know how to bring the best out in them.
@99strongs i am a kid who is in the composition and have 4 years of experiences and have played with lego's for 8 years and my team all has 3 to 4 years of experiences and a programmer that is so smart that we almost got kicked out of the competition and question about how did the programing and we only scored about 230 im having a hard time believing that they did this all an there own i believe that they are nice kids but i really don't think they did allll of it on ther own
@firstlegoleague8 The main reason the kids were able to do this is because they spent an incredible amount of time on in. They were able to do that because it's a neighborhood team with wonderfully supportive parents. The conepts they used are simple but they spent a lot of time getting them to work well and work well together. I was hoping they would use light sensors to navigate the mat but they didn't even do that!
@domfranchino As their coach, I teach critical thinking, engineering fundamentals, point them at inspirational designs here and elsewhere and ask a lot of questions. The kids worked really hard to do the rest, learned a lot and were recognized for their work when they also won Robot Design. They also share what they have learned by mentoring other teams.
@domfranchino Yo thats totally true, i doubt that these 5-7 year olds can have the mental capability to create and program these robots, I am a robot designer at a middle school and took second place for creative design and i worked on it for hours, some kids there were playing battlefield on their computers while their coach was preparing the robot
@domfranchino Team funding has nothing to do with success in the FLL. Kids living in South America, India and Portugal, poorer than any kid in America also participate and do very well. Its all about the effort the kids put into it and the time they spend. It also helps to be a returning team, rookies have a lot to over come. Teams will always do better in their second year.
Getting 245 at state was very good, its good to be proud of them! Congratulations!
Doug, I have this thing about posting solutions prior to the World Festival, so I will post ours after the WF in April so as not to spoil the WF idea pool. Though, I'm sure our patent solution will be thought of by everyone who has time to think it through. The WF gives teams an additional 4 months to think...
How reliably did you get 400? What were the percentages in practice vs. at tournaments?
@makeup1572 We would have scored the 400 in our last 4 runs in the tournament except the wall, which the robot follows doing the cells, was warped on one of the tables and caused the wheel at the end of the arm to land on top of the target instead of on the other side. We were on that table 3 of the last 4 runs so we only got 400 once. In the earlier matches nerves and a bug introduced just prior to the tournament kept us in the low 300 range. Many good lessons were learned!
Very amazing solutions. For me (a coach) it will be fun to show our kids now that our season is over. Several ideas you implemented they thought of and discarded for one reason or another. Their latest solution would still get you on the patent, though. Under 2 sec and never leave base...
i still don't see how the 2 separate car things are legal. don't the rules say that you can't have a wind up motor on your robot? or do you use a motor to push it?
@dsrc2112 They are both hooked to the main robot and are released when it moves forward. Being the first mission allows precise aiming before the match starts. They never failed in competition.
@WWDougChin wow u dont even know how your own mission works...
dont get me wrong, my team had help from coaches up until our 7th grade year, but u should atleast know how ur attatchments work. And trust me- a 400 is more satisfying when u made all attatchments and programmed everything youself.
@FLLInfinity The arm has three sections so there are two joints. The joints are held straight by Lego spring shock absorbers. It's so flexible because the total bending is distributed across both joints.
Seriously? Their robot did better than our team's. The arm is maybe over 16 inches, but you may not kick from the foot, the rules are fine with kicking below the knee.
YoungerDykstras 3 months ago
The arm used to move the blue and white box is well over 16" in height and clearly outside of base (vertically) at the last restart. The judges are slackers and this isn't 400 points.
andrewpmack 6 months ago
that is so true, and they didn't even get 400. the rules clearly state that the kick to get the goal must be from the knee and it clearly wasn't
robotguy846 4 months ago
Omg i was there:) i remember that
fantageisawesome194 9 months ago
!_! AHHH! I WAS IN THE FIRST LEGO LEAGUE IN 2010! WE WERE THE MUFFLER BEARING MURADERS!
legoguy8228 10 months ago
sweet vid
iphonecydiahacker 11 months ago
This is awesome. We have two different teams at my school and my friends were building cars and I took them apart because I thought they were playing. But this is why they yelled at me. P. S. All you guys saying four motors and illegal cars and stuff. It's obviously legal if they did it twice and got full credit. My team got 3rd place overall. We needed second in one area and we lost.
1000betv 1 year ago
I am impressed, one person raised the question about car, if is not wind-up type it is legal, i.e. air pump motor... Lots of attachment, creativity, ingeniosity, strong on mechanical. I am from Canada, the only way kids can succeed like this is with lots of dedicated time to FLL program.
My kids were able to achieve 370 points, I promote concistency over high score. So I want then to make tasks much more efficient, modularity between attachment, and reusable code.
AventureMotoneige 1 year ago
hey you guys did a great job keep up:)
zohirulnyc123 1 year ago
I don't think they were supposed to touch the robot when they were outside of the zone.....
NathonNoob 1 year ago
These guys broke lots of rules example wind ups are not allowed. Any way has anyone had problems getting to the other side of the board because we have and we are six days away from are competition help us!!!!!!!!!!!
stuckurface 1 year ago
No 400 pints
Did the judges gave you 400 points?
You broke many rules
Example: Rule 13 bullet 3
joaquimserrahima 1 year ago
@joaquimserrahima The judges, who FIRST (which is based in New Hampshire) considers to be among the best, scored this run at 400 points. The device that aligns the bone repair passes the connection test, as do all the other attachments. If you have other questions, they have probably already been answered in previous posts.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
Wow. Fun idea to use multiple vehicles. The first two don't have a brick, or motors? THey were powered by rubber bands?
smstudios233 1 year ago
Wow. Fun idea to use multiple vehicles. The first two dodn't have a brick, or motors? THey were powered by rubber bands?
smstudios233 1 year ago
it's very nice so much!!!
iloveFLL 1 year ago
it's absolutely not 400 points. you broke the rules too much times.. sorry
edeneden97 1 year ago
IMPORTANT!!! You are not allowed to use lego factory made pullback motors. Though I believe if you construct your own from a rubber band, it is allowed.
magicman441 1 year ago
@magicman441 No Lego pullback motors were used. The cars at the start are powered by Lego rubber bands.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
@WWDougChin Ok because I tried building one from a rubber band and it completely failed
jcubedmagic 1 year ago
Also, i just noticed, at 35 when they are doing the syringe and doctor...2 drive motors, one motor doing the syringe, and another the doctor...0 points for them.
didleeiowa 1 year ago
@didleeiowa There are only three motors. The arm that does the cells triggers the long arms to fall. The trail of force that kicks the ball is through the top of the leg as required and both of these things were checked by the referees that you called "slackers".
WWDougChin 1 year ago
well, when the do the bad cell destruction, they have two motors with the drive wheels, they have one clearly visible mototr not doing anything, and they have an arm moving on it's own.
didleeiowa 1 year ago
I never knew you were allowed to have MULTIPLE robots out at once...
habsman105 1 year ago
Very ingenious and creative designs on the robot. This is a very good example of utilizing all the resources that are allowed (rubber bands, the walls to reset robot, and the hidden freedoms rule). Very good work from the kids and the adults that mentored them.
TitanRoboticsWSHS 1 year ago
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didleeiowa 1 year ago
If you look at the q&a of first, you can't hit the bone leg from the foot side. Also, you can only have 3 motors, and these guys obviously have 4. I would have loved to see the tech review. Also, the refs apparently were slackers. Thumbs Down.
didleeiowa 1 year ago
@didleeiowa in where do you see this robot having 4 motors?
silence1595 1 year ago
are you guys going to world festival/nationals?
magicman441 1 year ago
@magicman441 No, although we won the Robot Performance and Robot Design awards we did not win the Champion's award and, even if we had, New Hampshire lost the lottery to send someone to the World Festival. The Champion's award went to a team that evangilized FIRST in India but did not make it into the playoff rounds of the robot competition.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
Are you sure that you may drive to the arm and the hart with those cars?
MissXylo 1 year ago 5
@MissXylo Yes, we checked with FIRST and they agreed that it is allowed since there is nothing in the rules that prevents it. It falls under the hidden freedoms rule.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
@MissXylo Yes, we described the strategy to FLL support before we used it and they said it was fine.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
@MissXylo As a referee for the FLL Open Europeon Championships: It is allowed, as long as the pullback cars are triggered by the robot ONLY. Also the pullbackmotors have to be selfmade and not the standard pullbacks that are in some LEGO sets.
fight4domination 9 months ago
well done! we are a rookie team of 3rd and 4th graders. we have programmed for 395 points so far and are working hard for the last 5 points. At our regional competition the best score was only 245 but 9 days later we reached 370.
good job !
CrushingTechnoTigers 1 year ago
Amazing work. I thought you used pneumatics for the 2 rovers at the beginning of the match, but I see lower in the comments that it was rubber bands. A great example of converting potential energy to kinetic energy (to, of course, points!). I'm going to be showing this to my team as an example of the creative solutions kids can come up with.
ewetubejmcdonne 1 year ago
The force used to move the leg comes from the light sensor arm hitting the top of the leg. It was discussed with the refs and they agreed that it was O.K. We also asked FIRST and they were fine with it too.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
i an the oldest kid on my team and i have read the rules and they clearly state that for the goal to count you have to hit the leg from the top otherwise the goal doesn't count ......so i hate to burst you bubble but they only officially scored a 375
deggie56 1 year ago
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It is pretty amazing to me that someone by simply watching the video can determine whether or not the kids did the work. I would assume the judges at the tournament would be able tot determine pretty quickly if the kids didn't do the work.
Having coached a team that made it to an International competition last year, you would be amazed what these kids are capable of when they connect with the challenge... I am impressed... 400 this year is tough to get!
BremenBotz 1 year ago
@domfranchino Seeing some other local teams (especially the Champions Award winner at the Finger Lakes Championship in NY) where I know the coaches and their philosophies and how they run their teams, I would ask you to reconsider your comment. You clearly did a great job with your team, and you understand how difficult it was to accomplish some of the tasks, etc., but it's unfortunate to see your response as a first reaction without knowing anything about this team or asking any questions...
wnance3 1 year ago
@WWDougChin Bravo on the "wind up" car designs, very creative! Our team was a rookie team, and managed 300 at the Finger Lakes Championship in NY. Our top score possible currently is 370, and the robot is much less complex! We did win the robot design award and 2nd place in project presentation. Search for Finney Falcons FLL. Great job, 400 points on this table seemed impossible!
wnance3 1 year ago
I am coach of a small Public school team with no funding. I am proud to say the kids didn't start building until late October when the team was formed, and that it is 100% their creation and programing and it earned them 245 at state. I doubt that this team can claim to have the same 100% student involvement with all phases of their build...
-I'm just saying
domfranchino 1 year ago
@domfranchino as the parent of one of the team members all I can say is if you knew these kids and their coaches you would think twice about your comment. This is a group of extremely bright boys who love this competition. They practice many, many hours and have coaches that know how to bring the best out in them.
99strongs 1 year ago 7
@99strongs i am a kid who is in the composition and have 4 years of experiences and have played with lego's for 8 years and my team all has 3 to 4 years of experiences and a programmer that is so smart that we almost got kicked out of the competition and question about how did the programing and we only scored about 230 im having a hard time believing that they did this all an there own i believe that they are nice kids but i really don't think they did allll of it on ther own
firstlegoleague8 1 year ago
@firstlegoleague8 The main reason the kids were able to do this is because they spent an incredible amount of time on in. They were able to do that because it's a neighborhood team with wonderfully supportive parents. The conepts they used are simple but they spent a lot of time getting them to work well and work well together. I was hoping they would use light sensors to navigate the mat but they didn't even do that!
WWDougChin 1 year ago
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fight4domination 9 months ago
@domfranchino As their coach, I teach critical thinking, engineering fundamentals, point them at inspirational designs here and elsewhere and ask a lot of questions. The kids worked really hard to do the rest, learned a lot and were recognized for their work when they also won Robot Design. They also share what they have learned by mentoring other teams.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
@domfranchino Yo thats totally true, i doubt that these 5-7 year olds can have the mental capability to create and program these robots, I am a robot designer at a middle school and took second place for creative design and i worked on it for hours, some kids there were playing battlefield on their computers while their coach was preparing the robot
E1NZT1EN 1 year ago
@domfranchino Team funding has nothing to do with success in the FLL. Kids living in South America, India and Portugal, poorer than any kid in America also participate and do very well. Its all about the effort the kids put into it and the time they spend. It also helps to be a returning team, rookies have a lot to over come. Teams will always do better in their second year.
Getting 245 at state was very good, its good to be proud of them! Congratulations!
XCritonX 10 months ago
@domfranchino is that cooper school your talkin bout cause im bradley from the cooper school team.!!!!!!!
bradman012 8 months ago
Sometimes it's not about just getting the points but getting the Wow factor of a cool design! Your design certainly has that!!
makeup1572 1 year ago
Doug, I have this thing about posting solutions prior to the World Festival, so I will post ours after the WF in April so as not to spoil the WF idea pool. Though, I'm sure our patent solution will be thought of by everyone who has time to think it through. The WF gives teams an additional 4 months to think...
How reliably did you get 400? What were the percentages in practice vs. at tournaments?
makeup1572 1 year ago
@makeup1572 We would have scored the 400 in our last 4 runs in the tournament except the wall, which the robot follows doing the cells, was warped on one of the tables and caused the wheel at the end of the arm to land on top of the target instead of on the other side. We were on that table 3 of the last 4 runs so we only got 400 once. In the earlier matches nerves and a bug introduced just prior to the tournament kept us in the low 300 range. Many good lessons were learned!
WWDougChin 1 year ago
Watched it again. Very Very amazing. Nice job kids.
makeup1572 1 year ago
Very amazing solutions. For me (a coach) it will be fun to show our kids now that our season is over. Several ideas you implemented they thought of and discarded for one reason or another. Their latest solution would still get you on the patent, though. Under 2 sec and never leave base...
makeup1572 1 year ago
@makeup1572 Our season also ended there but we'd love to see your faster solution to the patent.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
Are the two first rubber band cars an example of unwritten freedoms? Great run, great robot. Very creative. Good job!
speedskaterdave 1 year ago
@speedskaterdave Yes. The unwritten freedoms are our favorite rules.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
Lego windup motors aren't legal but Lego rubber bands are.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
i still don't see how the 2 separate car things are legal. don't the rules say that you can't have a wind up motor on your robot? or do you use a motor to push it?
wnance3 1 year ago
@wnance3 simple solution......they dont want you to use the wind up motors probided by lego, but you can use rubber bands to make your own;)
fishy320 1 year ago
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AFord66 1 year ago
What makes the two cars move out of base?
Are they triggered and released by the NXT?
Very interesting ideas - great job team.
dsrc2112 1 year ago
@dsrc2112 They are both hooked to the main robot and are released when it moves forward. Being the first mission allows precise aiming before the match starts. They never failed in competition.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
@WWDougChin wow u dont even know how your own mission works...
dont get me wrong, my team had help from coaches up until our 7th grade year, but u should atleast know how ur attatchments work. And trust me- a 400 is more satisfying when u made all attatchments and programmed everything youself.
da11235813 1 year ago
@da11235813 No, We don't expect the parents with the video cameras to know how the attachments work.
WWDougChin 1 year ago
What's that arm made of that made it THAT flexible? the little two-holed rubber x-thingies?
FLLInfinity 1 year ago
@FLLInfinity The arm has three sections so there are two joints. The joints are held straight by Lego spring shock absorbers. It's so flexible because the total bending is distributed across both joints.
WWDougChin 1 year ago