For a perspective outside of Ground Zero on 9/11/2001, please watch: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. It is something from that day that was not released for nearly a decade. It is something from that day, that is not a production, but is an authentic continuous running chronicle of the 911 wtc attacks. You can preview the entire 130 minute account.. on my channel.
@UnshackledMind86 Are you referring to (ret.) Deputy Chief, Vincent Dunn, FDNY @ 09:22? He spent 42 years on the FDNY, 26 as a chief officer. He retired as the 3rd Division Commander, which means his command was Midtown Manhattan. You know, they do have some high rise buildings there. He's also written a few books. The one I have is from 1988. It's entitled, Collapse of Burning Buildings, A Guide to Fireground Safety. So, what's your background in structural firefighting?
@UnshackledMind86 YOU SAID, "lol Steel is not resistant to fire... etc. What universe is this guy from....etc?" So, I answered you. Also, see my previous post from the Fire Protection Handbook, 14th ed.,
sec.6-75: "Unprotected steel trusses and open web joists are particularly vunerable to elevated temperatures of a fire. An exposed joist system, for example, may collapse after only 5 or 10 minutes of exposure." And here I am correcting you. What other misinformation do you have for us?
@UnshackledMind86 Well, what it should change, and what I was hoping to change, was your PERCEPTION of steel's performance under fire conditions. I offered no opinions here about 9/11, now did I? But NOW at this point, I have cause to wonder..... if you were SO convinced of your misconceptions regarding steel in a fire, what other misconceptions might you also be convinced of?
To the person who made this video if it is at all possible can you please tell me where I can buy this documentry? I knew some guys that were killed on 9/11and would like to show all those who were not old enough at the time to remember that day what they wnt threw on that day. If you could help I'm sure everone would appreciate it .thank you
What you'll have to do is go to 911datasetsDOTorg and find release 28. If you're not familiar with torr3nts, there are instructions. You can pick from the list of files you want when you download. Or else you'll get 95.5GB of video and images! The only folder you want is 42A0287 - G27D17. That is the DVD. You just have to burn it to disc. It is rare.
The TV recording from 9/11/2002 was part of the WTC investigation by NIST. After a recent FOIA request for all the video and photos used in the investigation, it has just become available. There is another folder in the release 28 torr3nt with 42 minutes of just the end of a non-ABC version, with the credits. I used it for part 4. I will see about making an easier download.
@WTFaboutWTC7 My copy of the Fire Protection Handbook ( published by the NFPA) is an old edition. (14th edition) I'll quote from section 6-75. "Unprotected steel trusses and open web joists are particularly vunerable to elevated temperatures of a fire. An exposed joist system, for example, may collapse after only 5 or 10 minutes of exposure." You were saying...?
@WTFaboutWTC7 No, you were saying, " 9:20 Steel is not resistant to fire?...We are not falling for this propaganda crap anymore." So, I cited a professional handbook published by the NFPA. I cited the section and the edition and repeated the quote verbatim concerning the fire resistance of steel. And you reply with a linear motion equasion? That's not what I took issue with. How about replying to my post that contradicts yours? Okay, I'm ready now, but will you address that? I doubt it.
@azul8811 You're post contradicts nothing. It's just a sentence in a manual.
I'm saying, for building 7 to to have fallen straight down, so suddenly, so smoothly, so fast and so symmetrically, accelerating in to the direction of the columns, all columns would have to be removed simultaneously in a fraction of a second. The basic laws of physics tell us there is no other way to make it come down the way it did without some kind of explosives being involved. It’s not possible any other way.
@WTFaboutWTC7 Actually my post does contradict your comment about steel. Did you or did you not take issue with Chief Dunn's comments concerning the fire resistance of steel? Obviously, you did. It is here for all to see. And you were quite wrong about that. The text that I cited has been published continually since 1896 by the National Fire Protection Association. I think it's available on CD-ROM for about $300. Dunn wrote books too. One was, "Collapse of Burning Buildings......" pub. 1988.
@WTFaboutWTC7 Your statement that I took issue with had to do with the FIRE RESISTANCE OF STEEL. Would you care to respond to THAT issue? Apparently not. Perhaps you won't because I demonstrated that you, like many people, not having had first hand experience with the behavior of steel under fire conditions, were under a misconception about it. I have now cited three books that deal with the topic. So, what do you think about the fire resistance of steel now? Simple question. Your answer?
@WTFaboutWTC7 "Building Construction for the Fire Service", by Francis L. Brannigan, 3rd ed., p.257: "The fact that steel is non-combustible leads to unwarrented confidence it's 'fireproofness' and suitability for all applications where fire is a problem. 'I never would have believed it,' is a common reaction by otherwise well-informed people when they see the ruins of an unprotected, steel building. Pg. 262:"The effect of fire on steel can be crucial to the stability of almost any building..."
@WTFaboutWTC7 Once again, what I AM referring to is YOUR comment about STEEL, posted 5 months ago. Do you still stand by that post? I offered NO theories about anything, 9/11 or otherwise. But what I did do was to provide documentation to help you, and others, understand that you were under a misconception about steel. But you won't even utter the word steel now, and instead repeat the same mantra over and over regardless of the topic being discussed. You are the one presenting theories.
@azul8811 I still stand by the post. Jonathan Cole's video. "Jonathan Cole - 9/11: Mysterious Eutectic Steel". Jonathan provides experiment and "If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong”. The comment in the book in essence says nothing. And what’s even more clear, is the freefall acceleration. That can only occur when nothing's in the way.
watch?v=czsRIIbvsao
Is there any reason to doubt what Jeff is telling here?
God Bless the FDNY and all of our Heroes. Great footage and interviews. I don't know anyone alive that day that will every forget the tragedy of all those lives lost. You guys are our heroes...and we will never forget. Thanks for posting.
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For a perspective outside of Ground Zero on 9/11/2001, please watch: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. It is something from that day that was not released for nearly a decade. It is something from that day, that is not a production, but is an authentic continuous running chronicle of the 911 wtc attacks. You can preview the entire 130 minute account.. on my channel.
tuesmornininsept 4 days ago
Where's the part where David Rockefeller says who watched the towers fall from his window?
UnshackledMind86 2 months ago in playlist Report from Ground Zero
lol Steel is not resistant to fire and steel melts from fire? What universe is this guy from, what a bunch of pseudo-scientific propaganda.
UnshackledMind86 11 months ago
@UnshackledMind86 Are you referring to (ret.) Deputy Chief, Vincent Dunn, FDNY @ 09:22? He spent 42 years on the FDNY, 26 as a chief officer. He retired as the 3rd Division Commander, which means his command was Midtown Manhattan. You know, they do have some high rise buildings there. He's also written a few books. The one I have is from 1988. It's entitled, Collapse of Burning Buildings, A Guide to Fireground Safety. So, what's your background in structural firefighting?
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 That doesn't change the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Perpetuating the same government propaganda isn't going to help anyone.
UnshackledMind86 8 months ago
@UnshackledMind86 YOU SAID, "lol Steel is not resistant to fire... etc. What universe is this guy from....etc?" So, I answered you. Also, see my previous post from the Fire Protection Handbook, 14th ed.,
sec.6-75: "Unprotected steel trusses and open web joists are particularly vunerable to elevated temperatures of a fire. An exposed joist system, for example, may collapse after only 5 or 10 minutes of exposure." And here I am correcting you. What other misinformation do you have for us?
azul8811 8 months ago
@UnshackledMind86 Well, what it should change, and what I was hoping to change, was your PERCEPTION of steel's performance under fire conditions. I offered no opinions here about 9/11, now did I? But NOW at this point, I have cause to wonder..... if you were SO convinced of your misconceptions regarding steel in a fire, what other misconceptions might you also be convinced of?
azul8811 8 months ago
To the person who made this video if it is at all possible can you please tell me where I can buy this documentry? I knew some guys that were killed on 9/11and would like to show all those who were not old enough at the time to remember that day what they wnt threw on that day. If you could help I'm sure everone would appreciate it .thank you
fdnyesu 1 year ago
@fdnyesu
What you'll have to do is go to 911datasetsDOTorg and find release 28. If you're not familiar with torr3nts, there are instructions. You can pick from the list of files you want when you download. Or else you'll get 95.5GB of video and images! The only folder you want is 42A0287 - G27D17. That is the DVD. You just have to burn it to disc. It is rare.
CTV911 1 year ago
so is it only available via download and not dvd
fdnyesu 1 year ago
@fdnyesu
The TV recording from 9/11/2002 was part of the WTC investigation by NIST. After a recent FOIA request for all the video and photos used in the investigation, it has just become available. There is another folder in the release 28 torr3nt with 42 minutes of just the end of a non-ABC version, with the credits. I used it for part 4. I will see about making an easier download.
CTV911 1 year ago
9:20 Steel is not resistent to fire?
watch?v=3YuDKUCALtU
We are not falling for this propaganda crap anymore.
And Rockefeller knows this.
watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
WTFaboutWTC7 1 year ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 My copy of the Fire Protection Handbook ( published by the NFPA) is an old edition. (14th edition) I'll quote from section 6-75. "Unprotected steel trusses and open web joists are particularly vunerable to elevated temperatures of a fire. An exposed joist system, for example, may collapse after only 5 or 10 minutes of exposure." You were saying...?
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 Okay here it comes.... ready? ...
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WTFaboutWTC7 8 months ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 No, you were saying, " 9:20 Steel is not resistant to fire?...We are not falling for this propaganda crap anymore." So, I cited a professional handbook published by the NFPA. I cited the section and the edition and repeated the quote verbatim concerning the fire resistance of steel. And you reply with a linear motion equasion? That's not what I took issue with. How about replying to my post that contradicts yours? Okay, I'm ready now, but will you address that? I doubt it.
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 You're post contradicts nothing. It's just a sentence in a manual.
I'm saying, for building 7 to to have fallen straight down, so suddenly, so smoothly, so fast and so symmetrically, accelerating in to the direction of the columns, all columns would have to be removed simultaneously in a fraction of a second. The basic laws of physics tell us there is no other way to make it come down the way it did without some kind of explosives being involved. It’s not possible any other way.
WTFaboutWTC7 8 months ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 Actually my post does contradict your comment about steel. Did you or did you not take issue with Chief Dunn's comments concerning the fire resistance of steel? Obviously, you did. It is here for all to see. And you were quite wrong about that. The text that I cited has been published continually since 1896 by the National Fire Protection Association. I think it's available on CD-ROM for about $300. Dunn wrote books too. One was, "Collapse of Burning Buildings......" pub. 1988.
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 How can freefall acceleration occur?
WTFaboutWTC7 8 months ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 Your statement that I took issue with had to do with the FIRE RESISTANCE OF STEEL. Would you care to respond to THAT issue? Apparently not. Perhaps you won't because I demonstrated that you, like many people, not having had first hand experience with the behavior of steel under fire conditions, were under a misconception about it. I have now cited three books that deal with the topic. So, what do you think about the fire resistance of steel now? Simple question. Your answer?
azul8811 8 months ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 "Building Construction for the Fire Service", by Francis L. Brannigan, 3rd ed., p.257: "The fact that steel is non-combustible leads to unwarrented confidence it's 'fireproofness' and suitability for all applications where fire is a problem. 'I never would have believed it,' is a common reaction by otherwise well-informed people when they see the ruins of an unprotected, steel building. Pg. 262:"The effect of fire on steel can be crucial to the stability of almost any building..."
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 All you are refering to has nothing to do with the freefall acceleration of the "collapses";
“It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong”
watch?v=9YRUso7Nf3s
You can drag in every peace of text you want... "If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong”
WTFaboutWTC7 8 months ago
@WTFaboutWTC7 Once again, what I AM referring to is YOUR comment about STEEL, posted 5 months ago. Do you still stand by that post? I offered NO theories about anything, 9/11 or otherwise. But what I did do was to provide documentation to help you, and others, understand that you were under a misconception about steel. But you won't even utter the word steel now, and instead repeat the same mantra over and over regardless of the topic being discussed. You are the one presenting theories.
azul8811 8 months ago
@azul8811 I still stand by the post. Jonathan Cole's video. "Jonathan Cole - 9/11: Mysterious Eutectic Steel". Jonathan provides experiment and "If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong”. The comment in the book in essence says nothing. And what’s even more clear, is the freefall acceleration. That can only occur when nothing's in the way.
watch?v=czsRIIbvsao
Is there any reason to doubt what Jeff is telling here?
WTFaboutWTC7 8 months ago
Especially Vincent Dunn @7:25
WTFaboutWTC7 1 year ago
Search for "9/11: EXPLOSIVE TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE"
And watch the interviews with Steven Jones, Niels, Jeff Farrer and Mark Basile
WTFaboutWTC7 1 year ago
Is there a Part 2 of this? I can't find it anywhere... :(
Dixieshep 1 year ago
@Dixieshep
Uploading today.
CTV911 1 year ago
God Bless the FDNY and all of our Heroes. Great footage and interviews. I don't know anyone alive that day that will every forget the tragedy of all those lives lost. You guys are our heroes...and we will never forget. Thanks for posting.
Dixieshep 1 year ago
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Dixieshep 1 year ago