Why I'm Selling My New Smith & Wesson 686 for an Old Smith & Wesson 686

[lordvoldamort666]

Name of you channel should be "why im selling my" do you have any guns? Or any that work?....lol good vid though.

[Peaceandwellness]

Guns are bad and only police should have them, This video seems a little on the al queda side.

Please dear God do not be a homegrown terrorist.

Big sis says terrorist could be anyone or anywhere.

If everyone would turn in their guns then there would be

no crime. God bless everyone and don't forget to vote

for the gun ban.

[TheShooting2]

Great! Just when I was bragging to my friends about my new 686, I run across your video. Took mine to the range today and really love it. I don't really shoot a lot and don't claim to be a marksman but I was so impressed with the accuracy of this gun. I have the 686P (seven shot), and I was able to hit 5 out of 7 cans from 25 yds, which is great for me. I guess from now on I'll be wondering if my gun will lock up on me unexpectantly. Still, I love the gun!

[Cabanas751Dunhill]

@TheShooting2 Hope not when you NEED it to fire!

I had a mag once die in the freezing cold after about 7-10K rounds through it over that one year - Guess what - It went bye bye

[Peaceandwellness]

@Cabanas751Dunhill Please do not support this as guns are bad and kill people. Please vote to ban all the guns so there will be no more crime. Only police should have guns.

[Cabanas751Dunhill]

@Peaceandwellness Jesus supports them why should I oppose Jesus? He's the Living Creator God.

Bans never work and actually you are supporting the HARM of more people than if everyone was required to own at least one weapon - look up the facts on the matter before you take a stupid and harmful position against mankind.

[Donnybrook10]

agreed. Smith has made a horrible decision in changing the classic. I cannot agree with you more.  I WAS a loyal Smith man until they started using inferior materials then the God-forsaken internal locks. It's a travesty. There should at least be an option of NOT having that hideous hole over the cylinder release. Did I say travesty? Good vid.

[SuperNa7ural]

Simply remove the lock. Someone on the Smith & Wesson forums sells a plug to go in the hole left by removing the lock. Problem solved.

[ThereWillBeHellToPay]

lesson learned. You will want to steer clear of Taurus too, I had the same problem with a buddy's while I was shooting it. Scratch that, just stay clear of taurus period.<<<<<nothing but JUNK.

[johnnymagnum357]

Just wanted to say thank you! your video was actualy the deciding factor in my decion to buy a 6inch ruger gp 100 over a new 686! Ruger gun lock was a pad lock with ruber coating! I use my gun lock too! .....On the garage door!!!!!!

[SLVRFOX88]

I don't own a single lock smith and never will

[FlyingPancreas]

Wow, that sucks. Every time I consider buying a S&W revolver, some new bit of information pops up to dissuade me. Does Ruger also employ that same idiotic mechanism? I'm not that familiar with revolvers, nor with whatever gov't requirements specific to them. If there is an actual regulation demanding trigger locks on revolvers, I cannot fathom why when no such measure exists for pistols (yet, thank God).

[southcentraltimes]

Wow thank you sir it is some thing I will keep in mind

[Donnybrook10]

Old Smith and Wessons are top shelf...new ones are junk. Shit Chinese steel, gay safety devices, excessively high prices. I have 2 older 686s, a 66, a 60 and a chiefs special. They are superior revolvers. I have yet to find a revolver made in the past 10 years that has the integrity of the old ones. The shitty steel is the primary gripe.

[GNut1980]

are their any revolver makers that dont have built on locks?iwhat about charter arms?i have a 31 year old sw 586 4 inch that is so sweet to me.gun shoots like its new in the box.all these gunmakers seem to be bending over to the anit gun elitist thus they dont realize theyre fucking up their reps

[mdaugherty1988]

I recently purchased a brand new S&W 642 without a lock (one of the few models they're offering like this), and I would flat out NEVER purchase a gun of any kind with an internal lock. This not only applies to S&W, but to Ruger as well. If Ruger had not put an internal lock on their MKIII pistols, I would have one sitting in my safe right now. I'm also a gun snob lol and I dislike buying used guns.

[GradyWhite2007]

Why did you buy it?

[boonedogger]

What a fuck stick

[slt223]

Smith & Wesson has been making revolvers for a very long time. There are literally tens of thousands of excellent condition, and new old stock guns still out there without locks. The trigger pulls are usually better than the new guns, IMO, and they can be had for less money unless you iyou are looking at a rare one. No reason to buy a new one anyway, if you ask me. I have a 30" safe full of old S&W's.

[rainmechanic]

@slt223 .....I couldnt have said it any better myself....No reason to buy a new Smith Wheelgun with the unsightly keyhole drilled through the frame.... Not when for the same price you can find Minty pre-lock firing pin on hammer guns on Gunbroker for cheaper then the new ones cost..... Unless you want a specialty gun like the full moon competition 45acps or the new X frame guns i would take my mid 90's 7 shot 686P dash - 4 combat masterpiece over any new 686 any time any day..

[27dcx]

that rail looks horrible

[GNut1980]

@27dcx lol

[aaronscrewme]

Thank you so much for the informative video GT. I have a growing love for wheel guns (revolvers) probably for watching too many Terence Hill movies xD

I have a friend who was trying to talk me into the Performance Center, and how it's quality was top notch... but to me fit and finish useless when the gun isn't reliable. I'm not a collector (I wish!) I'm a shooter.

I subscribed.

[averagejoetactical1]

Buy a Taurus, they are cheaper and just as nice. Never had any problems with my 650. Did you ever get it back from S&W and what did they say went wrong? Informative video.

[thebakerman1]

Can't stand any S&W with their pathetic locking mechanism. Actually I don't like any of the current revolver designs S&W puts out today. That's why I ONLY purchase and use older S&W's that do not incorporate their ridiculous locking mechanism they came up with some time ago. Older Smith's are somewhat more expensive but WORTH IT as far as I'm concerned. There are too many people who have had this same issue (or similar) with this locking deal on their revolvers for me to ever trust them.

[tangodown475]

Smith&Wesson is bringing back j frame guns without internal locks and say they will bring more in 2012. can't wait

[hogsmaws]

Those of you that state to just remove the locking mechanism and start the name calling like "idiot" and "noob" are very short-sighted and well... not very bright in my opinion. The point that the guy is trying to make is that he spent premium for a S&W thus why should he have to modify the weapon to make it work in an acceptable fashion? Oh and you "smart people" that remove the mechanism void the warranty (I called and asked S&W).

[micromanish]

@hogsmaws i removed the lock on all my SW's guns I don't trust the internal locks

[GNut1980]

@hogsmaws i agree with you..i dont understand why taurus or any of these manufactures that do this dont just put the old fashioned cable and keylock in ...smh i believe clinton had something to do with this?

[TheBriguy09]

@hogsmaws Put the lock back in if you need to use the warranty.

[ajandmac]

Stop purchasing guns without researching what you really want, then selling them for different models, and creating youtube videos to tell the rest of us things we already know... because we researched them.

[jhi66ins19]

this guy is an idiot!  I hope he sells all his guns! the world will be a safer palce

[MrPoosa1]

You Look Like Dave Hester from Storage Wars from A&E channel.

[ruizhernandeztrustfi]

Dude! Get a RUGER and never look back.

[peterm3964]

Check out the old blued 586 smiths I love mine

[eyeinidas]

I've never locked mine. I'm not sure the lock works. I am sure that a locked gun is pretty useless.

[DirtyJ78]

that's why you get a Ruger

[AdoreYouInAshXI]

@DirtyJ78 Are you kidding me? A ruger isn't even in the same category as a smith and wesson revolver... it doesn't even come close to being as quality.

[DirtyJ78]

@AdoreYouInAshXI Funny you say that sense your S&W is a turd, a Ruger GP100 or SP101 are fine revolvers without BS lock systems which you encountered with your "quality" S&W. If you like paying almost twice as much for a pistol that (from your review) isn't reliable that's your business.

[AdoreYouInAshXI]

@DirtyJ78 You do know i'm not the guy in the video right? What an idiot you are...

[AdoreYouInAshXI]

This guy is a dumbass... he has another video on here called "Why i'm selling my "Baby Glock"... he goes on to whine and complain because he can't shoot it because his pinky won't fit on the grip and when he uses the grip extender it "pinches his finger". What a vagina.

[ShooterReview]

@AdoreYouInAshXI - ok that video whine about the glock is crap. However, a revolver that locks up in the middle of a house break-in = more than just failure; it means death.

[SonsOfLiberty65]

dont listen to haters i totally understand

[kwade942]

At least S&W and Taurus warranty their firearms. I own several S&W's, 637, 686-6 Power Port, 629-5 Power Port, S&W 620 (No Dash), the 637, 686 & 620 have the lock and have never had any function issues on mine. Of all my Smith's on had 1 issue on the M&P 15-22 ejector and I just adjusted it on my own. It's good to know if I do have a problem S&W is right there to take care of it. I don't know of any firearms manufacturer who does not have a service center. Let them handle before getting pissy.

[GradyWhite2007]

WHY IS THERE LOCKS ON GUNS THAT YOU CAN LOCK?!

[hardman476]

try a taurus 66 heard there are better the used to be!!!

[ngcrowther]

read the instructioins! you are supposed to open the wheel when locking and unlocking.

[motlencore89]

he makes a good point, stop being ass hurt.

[checkmate440]

I had a S&W 686 bought back in the early 80's sold it was a piece of junk.Cylinder would lock up with 357,38 no problem went with ruger no regrets.686 was new in box when purchased.

[jonyboy1131]

@checkmate440 Maybe you don't know how to use a revolver? My 686 is great, over 20 yrs old, over a 5000 rounds through it, never had a problem. I own 3 S&W's, and 3 Rugers, would take the Smiths over them any day!!!

[checkmate440]

@jonyboy1131 Of course I know how to use a revolver,have no problem with my charter,taurus,or ruger.Every brand has there problems...have a nice Christmas

[Tm0g762]

Why is everyone hating on this guy? He makes a good point based on his personal experience. He may not want to attempt to remove the lock himself if he is not a profesional gunsmith, or maybe he does not wish to void his warranty.

[JDW857]

Wow... you're an idiot... this is why you test your firearm... and to add to the argument, what if your kid finds out your safe combination... given that you have kids, and a safe... and that internal lock keep him/her from becoming a murder suspect? I mean if we're going to go down your road to the extremes, why not take a trip down mine as well?

[thatguy66ish]

I get it and I respect his opinion. In the United States we can still sell guns or return them, if they don't work right. Or if they don't work like we want them to. Trigger pounds, sights, or finish might motivate someone to buy or sell.

[amaturesurvivalist]

am I the only one who thinks this guy is an idiot?

[greatsoutherntrend]

@amaturesurvivalist no

[BigBern651]

@amaturesurvivalist nope hes a fucking idiot

[Oso781]

I guess you can't trust any weapon because they are all mecanical and therefore subject to failure! What a douche!

[NurseMan1911]

I don't know why you would sell b/c of that. I have 5000 + and many years of service on my "new" 686 without 1 single malfunction.

Not one. single. malfunction.

[Makingnewnamesisdumb]

@NurseMan1911 Sure, and neither have I, but he did. I guess I don't blame him for not feeling comfortable with that particular gun anymore. I would still maintain that this is an extremely rare defect. When I look at the mechanism I can't even imagine how it would accidentally engage. But its up to him I suppose.

I'd probably just keep it around and shoot it until I could trust it again. It's a wonderful looking gun. Besides, it's not exactly a carry gun, anyway.

[TestedinFlames]

regardless ANY mistake in the make of the firearm should be a good reason to give you pause. he has a very valid point and you should take him at his word due to experience. whether you like it or not, whether you LOVE or HATE smith and wesson hes right. and to everyone who says "o this is EASILY resolved by this or that" should remember that you should NOT HAVE TO RESOLVE IT. ive only ever had this problem with smith and wesson, theres a reason i use Ruger

[Auszug21]

you do realize the performance center one is meant for practice and competition shooting only right so you wouldnt depend on it for youre life

[TJ347]

I've watched two "I'm selling my _____" videos by guntruth and I notice that in both of them, the complains are about things that are either easily resolved or should have been abundantly evident as personal issues PRIOR to purchase. This makes me question the value of anything the channel has to say on guns altogether. How many people have already commented about the simple resolution for the S&W lock issue, and you have a channel about guns and don't know that? Pfft!

[Auszug21]

@TJ347 the thing that makes me question its value is the fact that hes complainging after only one session and that he he can no longer trust an entire brand because of one bad apple any real shooter knows that complications can and will happen eventualy but real shooters know how to addres the problem and correct it not complain on youtube and get rid of a gun they just got

[quigley123456]

wow, stop being a pussy and take that shit out, i did, and im only 19... theres plenty of info on taking out that internal lock, and while your under the hood, polish up some of them internals, file the double action trigger sear, and go ahead and put a 20 dollar spring kit in there, then you will have one of the smoothest shooting revolvers on the planet. and its very easy to do.

[runninonempiy]

Call the smiths in your area...Get a quote..You can have it removed all together for cheap..

[930dave]

tool use the correct rounds, heavy ass rounds in a gun will do damage, s&w not at fault here, love my 686

[wout661]

I personaly dont know anyone who uses those stupid locks.

[ahdyend]

Homo

[far2813]

@ahdyend you must be the coolest troll on the interwebs.

[weirdthumb]

@bungdinger. Higher recoil? If s&w puts it on their gun, the length of the barrel is irrelevant.

[Bungdinger]

There's nothing wrong with that goddamn locking mechanism. After several thousand rounds, I've never had that problem. It's a newer 686-6 6". Why would you settle for a worthless 4" anyways? Higher recoil could be fucking with the internal lock.

[masterofnotmuch2]

S&W is not away wear near how good they where some 30 years ago when they made good guns now they all are crap

[excelerater]

while im in agreement and I do own a 686 w a lock I started buying up old S&Ws too (19s,66s)

because everything older is cooler and better made....S&Ws lock is 100% lame and ill never buy a new S&W because of it..my 686 was my first wheel gun and I was not aware at the time of this poorly made feature

[MrCleanerNash]

Or you could just get a Ruger GP100 lol.

[excelerater]

@MrCleanerNash GP is one ugly gun,functional yes,but ugly,not collectible and not as well

finished.........trigger is not as good either IMO.......you get what you pay for

[MrCleanerNash]

@excelerater You could always get a trigger job at a reputable gunsmith. I wouldn't say they are "ugly" but perhaps not as attractive and yes they do not hold their value as well as S&W on resale.

[MrCleanerNash]

older smiths pre 1990's are built better internally too

[theIneluctable1]

I'm interested to know what S&W has to say about this malfunction.

[MikeReiner]

So, did you get an older 686 without the lock?

[TheChoada]

Dude, It takes like 3 minutes to completly remove the locking mechanism. Noob.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

@TheChoada You can't get rid of the ugly hole though.

[fxhart]

@TheFirearmEnthusiast Actually you can. There's something called 'The Plug' that was specifically for that purpose.

[TheFirearmEnthusiast]

@fxhart Yeah, but then you still have that stupid L with the arrow next to it. They should've just made it internal like with the Ruger SAA's.

[SonsOfLiberty65]

@TheChoada yea because you will always have 3 minutes to fix a gun in a gun fight

[TheChoada]

@SonsOfLiberty65 Um... you are supossed to remove it before the gunfight retard. You remove it when you buy the gun.

[SonsOfLiberty65]

@TheChoada well thats even more retarded than i am! you shouldn't have to do that to a new gun, the old smiths are the only good ones

[TheChoada]

@SonsOfLiberty65 Yea, Smith & Wesson makes a bunch of junk now, im sure.

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - The newer S&W is crap. Buy the older stuff.

[jonyboy1131]

@ShooterReview Serious, my first pistol was a 686 in 1991. No lock, no bull s#$t, just a great revolver.

[ShooterReview]

@jonyboy1131 - All of my Smiths are pre-lock because I never believed in the hype that it would never fail when it was called to function properly. My whole issue with S&W is that the video OP trusted a company that lied to him. I don't think there is anyone here that hasn't been fooled by manufacturers saying that it's product is perfect. The fact that this guy's revolver was a Performance Center - Hand fitted and made, makes this type of failure inexcusable from the factory QA policies.

[ShooterReview]

@SonsOfLiberty65 - You'll have to excuse "The Choada", SOL65. His knowledge is shown only in his ignorance of refuting everyone's intelligent statements. Even his name resonates his true character of being just a dick and nothing more. Honestly, it's a Hindi variant translation and "a" only adds to the meaning that he's is feminine in his dick like behavior. aka - a clit.

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - I think the issue is that this happened when he was firing it., not so much that he couldn't do the work. Honestly, had he not been at the range and it had been an intruder at the house; the family would have been killed or injured because he was unable to fire his weapon due to the gun locking internal device.

[TheChoada]

@ShooterReview Um... of course thats the issue. You just remove the internal lock when you buy it. It takes like 5 min. Once its gone theres no more risk of it failing. Theres only the minor cosmetic issue of the keyhole. S&W still makes the best revolvers. Duh. You dont know what you are talking about. Theres a good video here on youtube on how to remove them. I hope you dont professionally review guns. That would be embarrassing.

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - I do know what I am talking about and you attack what your embarrassed with what you are lacking - a working knowledge of fine motor skills going out the door in a dangerous situation. It's common sense he could have disabled it - but then the manufacturer has stated he'd never need to do so. It'd be grand to see you in a situation with a revolver that you didn't think needed it's lock disabled fully go into lockup and watch your panic. The only embarrassment here is u.

[TheChoada]

@ShooterReview I never said that I would own a gun with a locking mechanism dumbass. You make too many assumptions.

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - I never said anything about you not wanting to own a firearm with or without a locking mechanism. You'll sit here though and spout how easy it is to disassemble and call the OP stupid. My point in all this is one truth - No one should not have to worry about a gun performing in a real threat situation. Lock or not. That's the OP's point as well. Your logic doesn't = truth, just your opinion. Just because it's not your way doesn't make everyone else wrong.

[TheChoada]

@ShooterReview your logic is flawed beecause once the lock is removed, it is no longer an issue. What part of that is so hard for you to understand?

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - Why is my logic flawed? All you have to do is stop being small minded to see the larger picture here. Honestly - the issue here is the OP had a weapon systems failure. The OP's issue was that the gun went into full lock-up. Sure the OP could have disabled the lock, however - he didn't. There's no crime in that. The lock was put in place by Smith to avoid unauthorized persons from getting at your gun; obviously that does not include the person authorized to use it.

[TheChoada]

@ShooterReview You do not "disable" the lock, you remove the lock. As I said. The issue is removed completly from the table from that point. You are an ignorant idot who for some reason refuses to realize that there is no difference between an old S&w and a new one that has had the lock removed except that the older one is just older and more worn out. And the tiny key hole. Remove the lock and you have what still is the best revolver made. This argument is going in circles because youre a dolt.

[ShooterReview]

@TheChoada - You're obviously having a hard time understanding the OP's point and are extremely obtuse. Remove/Disable - aren't we just mincing words here? The real difference between an old S&W and a new one?? When did we get onto that subject line?! The freaking owners of the new S&W should NOT have to disable the lock as the lock is NOT designed to malfunction in normal operational settings. You're name calling only makes you look that much more like your name - a dick.

[WEKM]

@TheChoada Yes, and if you ever WERE to use the gun in a self defense situation, the prosecutor is going to show the jury how you DISABLED a primary safety feature of the gun, and at the very LEAST, you are going get a wrongful death civil suit, and possibly even a murder charge.

As he said, this was his primary carry gun. NEVER mess with the safeties or other features of a gun you carry for defense.

[TheChoada]

@WEKM The only real safety is keeping your finger out of the trigger guard. And you are completly full of shit reguarding the "wrongfull death" bullshit. If you arent full of shit then post proof of a legal case where this has happened.

[frankgon4]

Did you ever find out what was actually wrong with the internals?

Just curious for my education.

I prefer a GP100 with a trigger job myself.

[MikeReiner]

Does S&W make new revolvers without this lock? I've got a 586 here, but it actually belongs to my dad. I want to buy a 686 for myself.. but if they all have this lock.. I just might go get a Ruger GP100..

[frankgon4]

I never thought that S&W idea of an internal lock on a magnum was a good idea. I ended up with a Ruger GP100

[nelsonboy707]

Thanks for the tip. I'm just starting to get into wheel guns.

[MikeReiner]

These locks are bad news.

[ChesapeakeArmory]

A lot of people don't recommend disabling the lock on a personal protection gun for liability reasons. Pre lock guns are cheap so I'd go that route over gunsmithing anyday.

[gunrobot]

Or you could just keep the gun and disable the lock.

[rllang01]

well, thats no good

[ChesapeakeArmory]

I've never liked the locks on these guns either. Yuppie lawyer BS IMO!

[Jesses001]

@ChesapeakeArmory I second that, and the funny thing is they make the revolver LESS safe. First, this can happen (points to video). Second, people may depend on these locks to keep children who live in the house safe, and it is a horrible idea to do so, expecialy since it is hard to see if the weapon is locked or not at a glance. So in short, these locks serve no purpose and can only decrease safty.