I wouldn't say this is random footage. It looks more like raw footage for a documentary of what goes into a newscast. All it needs is narration and some canned music.
I still wonder who's the guy running the TR-70 VTR in this video. And I also wonder if that's another TR-70 next to the machine that's being readied for use.
Wow, 16mm film with magstripe (1 sec audio delay after "splice"), 2-inch quad tape, a fully staffed control room (and smoking is okay), and cameramen (no robots) in jacket and tie.
At 0:27 the frame shows the 4s set bkgrd, which was used for many years (well into the mid-70's..). When WBZ decided to finally stop using it (I don't recall what year that was), I do remember that they offered on-air to break it up and give away pieces to anyone who wanted to come down to get one. I don't think it was any type of auction, just a give-away. I wanted one, but couldn't get there.. At the same time spot, I wonder if that is anchor Steve Shott.. Looks like him to me..
Hey look at 3:16 and again at 5:12 and yet again at 5:19...early electronic graphics! (Electronic graphics were new in the '70s...the Vidifont was introduced followed by the first Chyrons)...who created those primitive electronic graphics?
The Videograph (electronic character generator) seen in the clip was manufactured by A. B. Dick Company. This company is better known as a maker of mimeograph machines.
@VintageTelevision Ah, I was wondering what make of CG they were using, I assumed it was one of Chyron's first models (wasn't the Videograph licensed & resold by Chyron as well?)
Love the good old wood paneling in the control room. It's interesting how sparse the the sets were back then compared with the elaborate studios they construct now, like the sports shows on TBS. It's like comparing someones basement with Time Square.
Those old, 2-inch 'quadruplex' videotape machines, like the TR-70 seen here, supposedly were a b*tch to service if something went wrong. And today's ENG vans are better, as far as being able to provide instant news coverage, than the old ENG vehicles which used microwave dishes to send the signal back to the station.
Actually, that machine is a very early TR-70. Notice the RCA TO-2 waveform monitor instead of the later Tektronix 529. Also, the 70A was the only one of the series that the face of the monitor bridge was not painted RCA blue. Also, the B and C versions have a master warning indicator between the two meters right above the transport.
Of the two 70As I have, One of them has the RCA logo between the reels, and the other doesn't!
the best time in this Telus Historie whas the 60s to 80s that where the best time ever not its just computers and the technology have brain whased us and whe are the new Elektronic zombies
I heard the command from the director to the TR-70's operator 'get ready to roll'. I always thought that they would say 'roll tape'. I wish I could see a TR-70B, and meet someone who works with 'quad' machines.
If you listen real closely starting at 3:37, you hear the intro music underneath the announcer VO.
Are they using John Barry's "007" theme?
(No, not the "James Bond" theme, but the recurring "007" music used in - I believe - "From Russia With Love", "Thunderball" and "Diamonds Are Forever".
Any Bond fans should know the piece to which I refer. Listen close for the music at 3:37. It sure sounds like it to me.
hey did you see two cameras in this video? a tk 45 and a tk 42, i dont understand why some peoples tell bad things about the video quality of tk 42, last month i restored all my tk 42,its amazing the 4 tubes pickup system called M channel independent chrominance and luminance channels, in my point of view it procuces natural colors and rich gray scales, my test was make a shot video of the street, the picture was perfect in all the senses..
When I worked at KSL Salt Lake City in 1970, they RCA TR-22's and 1 Ampex 2000. The editor on the TR-22 was difficult to set up, and random insert edits would shift. The Ampex Quads were far superior.
It seems like some of the Ampex machines are prized and are in the hands of collectors like Tim Stoffel(Quadruplex Park). I've seen some videos here of the AVR-2, imagenorth is one guy who has a video up.
Hi, what type of film chain are they using in this video? And how many of those TR-70's did WBZ have? Was the TR-70 the VTR that had warning alarms if something went wrong? That control room looks a lot simpler than today's control rooms.
I guess no one is able to answer my question about the TR-70's. It's frustrating that there's no decent books that go into detail about Quadruplex VTR's. These machines, the networks and stations that used them and their operators and support personnel were responsible for getting 30-some years of TV history on those reels of two-inch tape.
Well, I guess TV history doesn't really matter anymore.
I don't have any experience of the TR70, though I'm sure that vtoldboys would be happy to answer any queries if you contact them via the website. I gather that tape damage problems were mainly due to fast spooling.
There was at least one publication that covered Quad in detail but it'll be long out of print by now - probably since the early 70's.
Thanks for the info. I have been on vtoldboys (the website set up by guys that used to work in the BBC's 'basement' VTR area) and they mention their Edit Suite #2 which used TR-70's and they said that using the edit suite was 'problematic' because the machines would somehow destroy some of the tapes. It seems that most of the other VTR's they had were Ampex machines, mostly VR-2000's, an AVR-1, and a couple of AVR-2's.
I wonder what I would need to be able to post some opens/idents for my local station, WMGM NBC40 which is actually not far from me, in Linwood, New Jersey. NBC40's old call letters were WCMC, they switched in 1985 when they moved their offices to Linwood. The actual studios used to be in Swainton, now the studios are also in Linwood.
NBC. From its sign-on in 1948 until early 1995. In that context, it figures they'd use RCA's TK-42 and TK-44A's and TR-70's (as RCA owned NBC then). Whereas KPIX in San Francisco, a CBS affiliate, used Norelco PC-70's.
I wonder what type of training people who worked with the old quadruplex VTR's had to have? How complicated were the machines to maintain and operate?
Two-inch quad VTRs made great pictures but they did require that operators have technical knowledge to run properly. Understanding how to read a scope was a prerequisite.
Quadruplex VTRs are built upon a lot of mechanical components and discrete electronics. Also, they require an air compressor. Ongoing maintenance is required to keep these machines in service.
CBS Television City has a collection of quad VTRs that are used for dubbing vintage programming to contemporary video formats.
Even with electronic editing. I saw that on vtoldboys, the BBC VT site, where they mention Edit Suite 2 which used TR-70's. I notice that the BBC also used the old Smith Splicer editing technique for a while.
That night on that film, they were using Tom Ellis as anchor. He also worked at WCVB, WNEV, & NECN in Boston, & also WCBS & WABC in New York. Is he retired now?
Interesting . . . WBZ using RCA TK-42's and TK-44A's in the same studio. I guess they were hedging their bets? And am I correct in assuming WBZ used color bars rather than slide-based test patterns, between sign-off and sign-on - or was it just for internal use?
Hi, I see they're using quadruplex VTR's with 'spot' reels. I can't tell if the VTR they're using here is an RCA TR-22 or TR-70..if anyone knows please post it here. And I find it strange that WBZ is using both TK-42's and TK-44A's.
Looks like the original 1967 RCA TR-70. There was a slight difference in appearance between this and the subsequent updates (TR-70B - which came out in 1969 - and TR-70C - which wasn't introduced until c.1975). Certainly isn't a TR-22.
One weird example of different cameras in the same studio was in 1966 during ABC News' coverage of that year's mid-term election results. Photos of the studio layout showed a Norelco PC-60 camera placed in one area, and several feet away in the same studio an RCA TK-41C.
I wouldn't say this is random footage. It looks more like raw footage for a documentary of what goes into a newscast. All it needs is narration and some canned music.
danpetitpas 7 months ago
It hasn't changed much now from how they did it then! awesome.
TroySundt 1 year ago
I didn't realize AB Dick made a CG. Our first CG looked like DOS text and only had one page . Still have it in storage.
SalemNHmedia 1 year ago
I still wonder who's the guy running the TR-70 VTR in this video. And I also wonder if that's another TR-70 next to the machine that's being readied for use.
PlaneAndTVtechfan 1 year ago
Thats cool!
GEMINITREKKER 1 year ago
Were they using key cards or slides? This is a great piece of history. Thanks for posting it.
SalemNHmedia 1 year ago
@SalemNHmedia
35 millimeter slides, art cards and a Videograph (an early electronic character generator made by the A. B. Dick Company)
VintageTelevision 1 year ago
Wow, talk about mis-matching cameras! An RCA TK-42 & TK 44A. Not a good idea!
staylor3440 1 year ago
Who's the woman in the coat?
PlaneAndTVtechfan 1 year ago
Tom Ellis looks cool as a cucumber.
PlaneAndTVtechfan 1 year ago
Who was the VTR operator in this video?
PlaneAndTVtechfan 1 year ago
Great video of period local television production. Thanks for saving this and putting it up!
RCAquadruplex 1 year ago
Wow, 16mm film with magstripe (1 sec audio delay after "splice"), 2-inch quad tape, a fully staffed control room (and smoking is okay), and cameramen (no robots) in jacket and tie.
jaychrepta 1 year ago
@jaychrepta I bet that WBZ is probably a 'smoke-free' workplace, it seems to be happening everywhere.
PlaneAndTVtechfan 1 year ago
At 0:27 the frame shows the 4s set bkgrd, which was used for many years (well into the mid-70's..). When WBZ decided to finally stop using it (I don't recall what year that was), I do remember that they offered on-air to break it up and give away pieces to anyone who wanted to come down to get one. I don't think it was any type of auction, just a give-away. I wanted one, but couldn't get there.. At the same time spot, I wonder if that is anchor Steve Shott.. Looks like him to me..
MSTS1 1 year ago
Yes, that person is (the late) Steve Schatz.
VintageTelevision 1 year ago
Steve Schatz, right. Schott would be Marge Schott- Cincinatti Reds..
MSTS1 1 year ago
SO GLAD i didnt live in the 70s
CiniCraft 2 years ago
@CiniCraft The people that did live in the 70's were lucky that you didn't live in the 70's...LOL
geocgeo 1 year ago
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MIKECNW 2 years ago
Hey look at 3:16 and again at 5:12 and yet again at 5:19...early electronic graphics! (Electronic graphics were new in the '70s...the Vidifont was introduced followed by the first Chyrons)...who created those primitive electronic graphics?
GateStudios 2 years ago
The Videograph (electronic character generator) seen in the clip was manufactured by A. B. Dick Company. This company is better known as a maker of mimeograph machines.
VintageTelevision 2 years ago
@VintageTelevision Ah, I was wondering what make of CG they were using, I assumed it was one of Chyron's first models (wasn't the Videograph licensed & resold by Chyron as well?)
pvx 2 months ago
Love the good old wood paneling in the control room. It's interesting how sparse the the sets were back then compared with the elaborate studios they construct now, like the sports shows on TBS. It's like comparing someones basement with Time Square.
fdmantube 2 years ago
The anchor was Tom Ellis, before his stint at at the top-rated WCVB's NewsCenter 5 some roughly 8 years later.
tyrese3745 2 years ago
This is more than interesting so called stuff,These people knew what they ere doing without high tech guidence that has made everyone lazy today!
GEORGETOWN93 2 years ago
Those old, 2-inch 'quadruplex' videotape machines, like the TR-70 seen here, supposedly were a b*tch to service if something went wrong. And today's ENG vans are better, as far as being able to provide instant news coverage, than the old ENG vehicles which used microwave dishes to send the signal back to the station.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 2 years ago
And the machine shown here...is a TR-70B. Back in the day when "Quad" was the undisputed 'king' of VTR's.
747400fan 2 years ago
A TR-70A would have the RCA 'meatball' logo between the reels.
747400fan 2 years ago
@747400fan
Actually, that machine is a very early TR-70. Notice the RCA TO-2 waveform monitor instead of the later Tektronix 529. Also, the 70A was the only one of the series that the face of the monitor bridge was not painted RCA blue. Also, the B and C versions have a master warning indicator between the two meters right above the transport.
Of the two 70As I have, One of them has the RCA logo between the reels, and the other doesn't!
RCAquadruplex 1 year ago
Their film editor was a guy named Jack Percoco.
bobandrayfan1 2 years ago
the best time in this Telus Historie whas the 60s to 80s that where the best time ever not its just computers and the technology have brain whased us and whe are the new Elektronic zombies
SMGJohn 3 years ago
Who's the director?
swami1 3 years ago
i really wish i could go back to the 70's for a week.
CiniCraft 3 years ago 2
And why don't WBZ's cameras have any station markings on them? Most TV station's cameras do. Also no markings showing them to be an NBC affiliate.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
I heard the command from the director to the TR-70's operator 'get ready to roll'. I always thought that they would say 'roll tape'. I wish I could see a TR-70B, and meet someone who works with 'quad' machines.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
interesting stuff from another time
ThisIsBilbo 3 years ago
I still wonder why the d*mn studio door was left open while on air.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
I guess that most people can see the 'on air' sign and that WBZ probably reminds any visitors to observe 'on air' lights.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
If you listen real closely starting at 3:37, you hear the intro music underneath the announcer VO.
Are they using John Barry's "007" theme?
(No, not the "James Bond" theme, but the recurring "007" music used in - I believe - "From Russia With Love", "Thunderball" and "Diamonds Are Forever".
Any Bond fans should know the piece to which I refer. Listen close for the music at 3:37. It sure sounds like it to me.
wsr216 3 years ago
that music was used in thunderball. i remember this being used during the newscasts vividly.
dooktango 3 years ago
It is indeed from Bond's "Thunderball" at least.
caseyg5 3 years ago
hey did you see two cameras in this video? a tk 45 and a tk 42, i dont understand why some peoples tell bad things about the video quality of tk 42, last month i restored all my tk 42,its amazing the 4 tubes pickup system called M channel independent chrominance and luminance channels, in my point of view it procuces natural colors and rich gray scales, my test was make a shot video of the street, the picture was perfect in all the senses..
guimbadriver 3 years ago
As this was 1970, the newer camera was the TK-44A . . . the TK-45A, from what I could tell, didn't come out until 1973.
wmbrown6 3 years ago
When I worked at KSL Salt Lake City in 1970, they RCA TR-22's and 1 Ampex 2000. The editor on the TR-22 was difficult to set up, and random insert edits would shift. The Ampex Quads were far superior.
lowbhall 3 years ago
It seems like some of the Ampex machines are prized and are in the hands of collectors like Tim Stoffel(Quadruplex Park). I've seen some videos here of the AVR-2, imagenorth is one guy who has a video up.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
Hi, what type of film chain are they using in this video? And how many of those TR-70's did WBZ have? Was the TR-70 the VTR that had warning alarms if something went wrong? That control room looks a lot simpler than today's control rooms.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
Which station did the Boston Red Sox home games in the early '70's? WPHL-17 did the Phillies in the early 70's.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
I guess no one is able to answer my question about the TR-70's. It's frustrating that there's no decent books that go into detail about Quadruplex VTR's. These machines, the networks and stations that used them and their operators and support personnel were responsible for getting 30-some years of TV history on those reels of two-inch tape.
Well, I guess TV history doesn't really matter anymore.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
I don't have any experience of the TR70, though I'm sure that vtoldboys would be happy to answer any queries if you contact them via the website. I gather that tape damage problems were mainly due to fast spooling.
There was at least one publication that covered Quad in detail but it'll be long out of print by now - probably since the early 70's.
Ampex196 3 years ago
Reminds me of my days at Grahm.
tvnetdude 3 years ago
No audio for the first 40 seconds. Was it supposed to be that way?
LowellDevil 4 years ago
They probably placed music over that portion of the film.
leshaunfossett 3 years ago
What telecine equipment are they using in this video? Did they use the same telecine equipment to show movies on WBZ?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Why was the studio door kept open? Wouldn't that cause a problem with extraneous sound 'spillage' during the broadcast?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
I still wonder why the studio door is left open.
And I still wonder if WBZ ever used TK-40's or TK-41's.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Depends on whether WBZ produced any local color programming prior to 1965-66.
wmbrown6 4 years ago
The film chain is an RCA TK-27.
lowbhall 3 years ago
Thanks for the info. I have been on vtoldboys (the website set up by guys that used to work in the BBC's 'basement' VTR area) and they mention their Edit Suite #2 which used TR-70's and they said that using the edit suite was 'problematic' because the machines would somehow destroy some of the tapes. It seems that most of the other VTR's they had were Ampex machines, mostly VR-2000's, an AVR-1, and a couple of AVR-2's.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
I wonder if WBZ had TK-41's as their first color cameras? I know some NBC owned-and-operated stations got them first in the mid-50's.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
I wonder what I would need to be able to post some opens/idents for my local station, WMGM NBC40 which is actually not far from me, in Linwood, New Jersey. NBC40's old call letters were WCMC, they switched in 1985 when they moved their offices to Linwood. The actual studios used to be in Swainton, now the studios are also in Linwood.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Seeing that brief picture of NBC's Chet Huntley
with those old-fashioned glasses on brought back memories of my childhood.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
What network was WBZ affiliated with in 1970?
Thanks.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
NBC. From its sign-on in 1948 until early 1995. In that context, it figures they'd use RCA's TK-42 and TK-44A's and TR-70's (as RCA owned NBC then). Whereas KPIX in San Francisco, a CBS affiliate, used Norelco PC-70's.
wmbrown6 4 years ago
Pretty fascinating to watch this...I miss Shelby Scott!
bosma64 4 years ago
What is the cue that the director used to get the tape rolling to show on the air?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
I wonder what type of training people who worked with the old quadruplex VTR's had to have? How complicated were the machines to maintain and operate?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Two-inch quad VTRs made great pictures but they did require that operators have technical knowledge to run properly. Understanding how to read a scope was a prerequisite.
Quadruplex VTRs are built upon a lot of mechanical components and discrete electronics. Also, they require an air compressor. Ongoing maintenance is required to keep these machines in service.
CBS Television City has a collection of quad VTRs that are used for dubbing vintage programming to contemporary video formats.
VintageTelevision 4 years ago
I don't miss Quads at all!
tvnetdude 4 years ago
Did you deal with Quad VTR's?
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Yes indeed both Ampex and RCA
tvnetdude 4 years ago
Editing on them was absolutely a horror show.
tvnetdude 3 years ago
Even with electronic editing. I saw that on vtoldboys, the BBC VT site, where they mention Edit Suite 2 which used TR-70's. I notice that the BBC also used the old Smith Splicer editing technique for a while.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
And I thought using Windows Movie Maker was g-dawful!
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 3 years ago
that is cool
tl54 4 years ago
No sound?
heine71 4 years ago
There was sound in the second half of the film . . .
wmbrown6 4 years ago
That night on that film, they were using Tom Ellis as anchor. He also worked at WCVB, WNEV, & NECN in Boston, & also WCBS & WABC in New York. Is he retired now?
dgendvil 4 years ago
Tom Ellis is still an anchorman at New England Cable News.
VintageTelevision 4 years ago
Interesting . . . WBZ using RCA TK-42's and TK-44A's in the same studio. I guess they were hedging their bets? And am I correct in assuming WBZ used color bars rather than slide-based test patterns, between sign-off and sign-on - or was it just for internal use?
wmbrown6 4 years ago
Hi, I see they're using quadruplex VTR's with 'spot' reels. I can't tell if the VTR they're using here is an RCA TR-22 or TR-70..if anyone knows please post it here. And I find it strange that WBZ is using both TK-42's and TK-44A's.
kimberlyKfnOphiEAGLE 4 years ago
Looks like the original 1967 RCA TR-70. There was a slight difference in appearance between this and the subsequent updates (TR-70B - which came out in 1969 - and TR-70C - which wasn't introduced until c.1975). Certainly isn't a TR-22.
wmbrown6 4 years ago
One weird example of different cameras in the same studio was in 1966 during ABC News' coverage of that year's mid-term election results. Photos of the studio layout showed a Norelco PC-60 camera placed in one area, and several feet away in the same studio an RCA TK-41C.
wmbrown6 4 years ago