SA@TAC - How Wikileaks Fights Big Government

[ProNorden]

@redshirtarmy, @sideshowbobx, @bdmenne, @notusmc67427, @wardoglrs, @hankthehobo,

Way To Go. Jack Hunter is first rate. Genuine Conservative.

[shamusername]

Assange is no Ellsberg.

[bdmenne]

@shamusername Does this argument have any premise? I am left wanting more information in order to accept or reject your statement. That is if you care to convince or educate. I detect some unfavorable thoughts about Assange and I am curious what he has done to leave you unimpressed. Damn my curiosity. Thank you.

[JonathanToth]

Transparency is the Apocalypse.

[HanktheHobo]

I enjoy SA and usually agree with his commentary, but - its not the release of information about war or government bailouts that bothers me, its the release of thousands of pages of reports and conversations from our foreign diplomatic agents. We have to be realistic and understand that the US does have to play the diplomacy game - these leaks severely damage our diplomatic relations and our credibility, meaning it will be harder to get good intel about what is really going on in the world.

[WarDogLRS]

Are they still pushing the Bull Shit About Assange? Wiki is a Mossad which is a CIA like black opts, This is an attempt to rob Americans of the Internet & Freedom of speech. This is just another FALSE FLAG OPs

[maximuslaurius]

One of the best conservative commentators out there. hats off to you sir.

[notusmc67427]

So what did wikileaks reveal? That civilians are dying? We did not know that before? I mean It`s been a huge topic long before wikileaks came out.....

[Akatam0t0ma]

@notusmc67427:

It may have not revealed anything too earth-shattering(At least not yet), but by providing hard evidence to the public, it just left the state-worshipers with less excuses to justify their indefensible positions, especially in light of the reaction by the politicos, from both parties.

[notusmc67427]

@Akatam0t0ma justify what undefendable position? The fact that we are in afghanistan because there are a lot of great reasons why we are there. The fact is that wikileaks has done more to put people at risk than exposing any great secrets. Name one thing released that has made you think any differently about any topic?

[Akatam0t0ma]

@notusmc67427:

"justify what undefendable position?"

I don't... Like the position that politicians care about our well being? A pretty popular yet completely unfounded position in the populous, virtually comparable to religious faith.

And I am yet to see a shred of evidence of any leak endangering anything beyond the undeserved prestige of politicos.

[notusmc67427]

@Akatam0t0ma Of course they care about the voter. They may not have 100% interest in getting all the facts presented, just watch a political campaign.

Well I personally know a family of turkmen who are under house arest and are in danger of disapearing. Also the taliban has sworn veangance on those afghani`s who gave info and while they may not be presently threatened The taliban will most likely make good on it`s threats when we leave.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@notusmc67427:

"Name one thing released that has made you think any differently about any topic?"

Like I said, so far the leaks did not reveal anything too earth-shattering, only provided solid evidence to previously held popular suspicions. But it's the reaction of the politicos and their lackeys among the press and among the general populous, who preferred to shoot the messenger rather than come clean of their dirty laundry. That is the most revealing thing of all in the drama.

[Sideshowbobx]

@notusmc67427

well, just gov's own papertrail that proves that they knew and permited the crime - both administrations, Obama and Bush. It also ends the superiour knowelge of gov officals, we can read thru the same informations as they do. Read that the main reason for the Iraq adventure was pressure from Israel and Saudi Arabia - origin of 15 of 19 Hijackers from 9/11 - to go after Sadam and take him out. Wiki leaked documents from other nations, it just that the US Gov is the most productive.

[Ponerology]

If the US gov't wasn't so prone to lying then we wouldn't need wikileaks. After lying about weapons of mass destruction the gov't has lost all credibility.

[BaconGreaseCleaner]

America is already in the toilet.

[ArcticSlicer]

"By Jack Hunter" Dropping the Southern Avenger pen name?

[TheImpeacher]

Shoot him on sight.

[Horus515]

Dude you are awesome! Amazingly incisive. So, how long before our government starts supressing messages such as yours by labeling them as treasonous  and rounding us up?

Vulgas vult decepi - phaedrus

[MrHappy702]

It has been shown the wikileaks was supported by Israel..go figure. They will use it as a tool to restrict free speech and censor the web..what do you know..go J-Team!!

[Gasolinealley00]

Jack, you never fail to please. You're blunt, straight forward analysis of every important issue facing this country should serve as a model for American conservatives.

[andyleyef]

Go Cornhuskers!

[TulliusVII]

Such excellent commentary. This needs a million views.

[MarcusCMarcellus]

Both of your discussions of Wikileaks have been balanced and very intelligent. Well done.

[jmikem78]

@SouthernAvenger Great work. I appreciate how you explain the intricacies without dumbing it down.

[OneManAndHisFiction]

This is how it is supposed to be...

Government is a Trust, created by the People for the benefit of themselves and their Posterity (heirs / descendants). The Charter / Constitution that creates the government is a Trust Instrument, and all public servants are effective trustees of that Trust, bound in duty to serve the beneficiary - the original people that created it and their heirs.

Check out Bill Thornton's audio seminars and material on how to hold your public servants accountable at law.

[ufamizm]

TRUTH is, and has been for a while now, TREASON.

[campaign4liberty]

DOWN with NWO!

FREEDOM!

visit LibertyPoet website

[Xonegod]

@SouthernAvenger Another piece of fine work. Interesting times we live in, indeed.

..X..

[yakyakyak69]

A secret, all powerful state is TYRANNY!

[Pepsifx357]

Yeah we should know. An informed public is the essence of a Republic. All those cameras that are spying on us, should be used in school classrooms and the White House so we can see what they're doing. I don't think that secrecy should be used for anything outside of a Legally Attained War against a Real Enemy.

[utubehayter]

What happened to "by the southern avenger"? Already seems watered down right there! Jack are you selling out for "respectability"?

[celticultural]

Why are you removing some of your hardest hitting pieces Southern Avenger, oh sorry Jack Hunter I mean??

[AcePilot101]

Assange is in the business of selling information.

He doesn't care if it is the USA, Chinese or Russian government files.

Play with fire and you get burned.

[032125]

@AcePilot101 Except that Assange isn't selling information; he's giving it away because he holds transparency as an ideal above safety.

Know the difference between those who sell secrets for profit, and those who crusade for truth.

[MrRiceowlex]

You guys need to listen to Catherine Austin Fitts last interview with Alex Jones.

She puts everything into context with very clear perspective. This interview takes the mud out of the water.

[tintlio]

Wikileaks is a CIA fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everything they release is already known, and they cut a deal with Israel!!!! WTF people??? You think the MSM is going to report the truth??? 4 REAL?????

[FREEAMERICANOW69]

@tintlio

i wonder why the MSM reported it, if info in the leak cables was so dangerous to american lives, because no one really a damn about that video of innocent being slaughtered by american helicopters.

funny, i was also wondering what else is happening in the world that this story is covering---my guess is, since everyone got on the "need-to-cut-the-debit" bandwagon so fast, maybe china wants their money back.

[maddies1]

@tintlio

how do you know that everything is already known when they have not released all the documents yet?

[Pentazoid111]

No, Not jack hunter, SOUTHERN AVENGER!

[Milesdavis2998]

I really didn't know what to think of the WikiLeaks situation. It's both amazing and appalling that people have to go as far as causing an international uproar uncovering and releasing all of the information that was found. Stealing is bad, but secrets like these seem far worse. If there was actual transparency in the government, how would the general public feel, but then again, what can we do?

[WICD1969]

Thumbs down on all SA videos until he drops the JH and goes back to SA in his introductions. Just kiddn Jack. Great to have you back!!

[xleax]

There you go again. Siding with a traitor enabler. 

[MooseOfReason]

@xleax Who?

[xleax]

@MooseOfReason The poster of this video, obviously.

[MooseOfReason]

@xleax Who's the "traitor enabler" then, Bradley Manning? The Guardian? The New York Times? The Pentagon?

[xleax]

@MooseOfReason wikileaks

[Akatam0t0ma]

@xleax:

I think you have confused Wikileaks with the people who have enabled the politicians who are perpetrating the corruptions which Wikileaks expose, aka the voters.

[xleax]

@Akatam0t0ma nope

[Akatam0t0ma]

@xleax:

Well, it's not Wikileaks that started wars it cannot finish, bailed out failing banks for trillions of dollars, suffocated the American economy with millions of rules and regulations,counterfeited trillions of dollars,started a war on drugs which lead to incarceration of millions of otherwise innocent people,just to mention the tip of the iceberg. It were the politicians,whom we all know care so much about our safety and well being,right? But hey, let's all just shoot the messenger.

[xleax]

@Akatam0t0ma seems to me you're just rationalizing treason and espionage.

What good do you think has come out of this?

[Akatam0t0ma]

@xleax:

The good that comes out of this is that it confirms that our politicians are a bunch of lying weasels who cannot be trusted. I find it quite hilarious(And frankly, a bit frightening) seeing the same Bush "conservatives" who would claim they don't trust the government, defending it with such a shrill enthusiasm on this, which only goes to show that Bush "conservatives" are as statist as their welfare-state worshiping "liberal" counterparts. They just make the warfare-state denomination.

[Akatam0t0ma]

@xleax:

Also, since Assange is NOT an American citizen, he cannot be charged with treason(A very problematic concept on its own, when it comes to the state but that's another can of worms).

The Truth About Wikileaks:

watch?v=AV5N_2nuYzY

I would love to see any Bush "conservative", or anyone else who foams at the mouth for Assange's blood trying to address the arguments brought by Molyneux on the government.

[xleax]

@Akatam0t0ma I know. I was thinking espionage and he'll probably get convicted.

It's still unclear to me what good has come out of this (any actual example).

All I'm saying is that diplomatic relationships have been compromised, and people who will want to tell al-qaida whereabouts are less likely to do so, knowing that a second wikileaks might happen.

If you tolerate bad behavior more will come. I'd put this guy behind bars.. not only that I'd find that annonymous hacker and jail him too!

[GordonofSeattle]

@xleax:

"If you tolerate bad behavior more will come"

I agree, that is why it's important to know when our government is behaving badly. Without an understanding of the way our government functions self-government becomes all but impossible.

Sorry, but I can't help but feel that your frustration may be misdirected.

god bless

[xleax]

@GordonofSeattle Sure, feel that way, but there's way to many negatives with this wikileaks concequences to think it's a good thing.

[AlienZygote010]

A typical civilian who knows nothing about intelligence or espionage other than what he sees on James Bond movies. Our government has been seriously irresponsible lately. However, many agents under non official cover were exposed with the releases regarding Iran and I am quite sure a least a few lost their lives before they were able to find safety. Julian Assange certainly has blood on his hands in that aspect. Expose the legislators , banks, and activist judges, leave the wars alone.

[BaronVonKhrispy]

@AlienZygote010 Shut up. I hope every one of these agents is found and gets what they deserve.

[InfernalApocalypse]

@AlienZygote010

How many completely innocent civilians are harmed by daily carpet bombings and drone strikes in Afghanistan? You know, the ones who DON'T earn their livelihood by entering potentially dangerous (or even completely harmless) locales and sharing information about those areas with their employers?

[RJhasFLOW]

@AlienZygote010 Assange's leaks IMO work both ways. SA has pointed out that we do NOT need to know details that would prevent our military and intelligence services from operating successfully. Under those premises, Assange's leaks have their faults. Releasing the names of Agents under NOC and of cooperating Afghans is a hindrance to both our military and our intelligence services.

I support Assange's intentions, however I feel that he released the information recklessly.

[MrRiceowlex]

@RJhasFLOW Intelligence service. As in importing drugs and laundering those proceeds on Wall Street. Clandestine assassinations of democratically elected leaders, or in the case of Mohammad Mosedeq bombing mosques and blaming the scores of deaths on Mosedeq loyalists in order to oust Mosegeq and install the Shah of Iran who murdered tens of thousands of his own people. Perhaps JFK's murder now seemingly a CIA surety with E Howard Hunts deathbed confession. Is that Intelligence DISSERVICE ?

[RJhasFLOW]

@MrRiceowlex US intelligence responds to elected leaders. Our elected leaders have opted for less than savory methods in the past, methods that today bite us in the ass. The installment of brutal dictators, such as the Shah, was one of these methods. Nevertheless, this was signed off by the president.

As for drugs and JFK's murder, until those are accepted fact.....

[AlienZygote010]

@Akatam0t0ma - schmuck...how many Iranian Olympic fencing champions are there in Iran? One was just outed by wikileaks. Seriously...how big do you think the pool of possible suspects could that leave the Iranian intelligence apparatus to pick up. Hmmmmm. Less than one hundred? More like less than 2. This guy is most assuredly DEAD.

[sniper6081]

Not the Southern Avenger anymore?

[RedShirtArmy]

Assange is a hero for exposing the government's crimes.

[AlienZygote010]

@RedShirtArmy - so says a traitorous pinko commie from the "red shirt army". go fuck yourself, schmuck

[TheMindFarter]

@AlienZygote010 - The Redshirts were Confederate guerillas. Not "commies", schmuck.

[RedShirtArmy]

@AlienZygote010 Obviously you don't know your history. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a "commie". As far as being a traitor, I'm loyal to SC and my culture - not to a corrupt central regime in Washington, DC.

[Bttry01]

@RedShirtArmy Well said

[JohnnyGuitar79]

@RedShirtArmy nice

[Akatam0t0ma]

@AlienZygote010:

Either you owe RedShirtArmy an apology or or you owe yourself a brain.

[SaveOurSovereignty3]

Thanks Jack