I'd like everyone to take a long hard look at Uruguay's Luis Suarez's handball against Ghana and tell me how that one compare's to Harry's UNINTENTIONAL HANDBALL here.
@warpfield98 Sure, no problems, under the laws there is absolutely no difference in the sanctions that are handed out on the field. Intentional handballs that deny a goal receive a red card. There are no gradations of intentional. This is only something I have been saying for 2 weeks. Once the refereed deemed Harry's was intentional the sanctions followed. That said FIFA have let themselves down again by only giving Suarez one match. they should have given him 2 so he'd miss the final as well
he should be given two matches and recieve a fine. it sickens me that he is now boasting saying that the hand of god belongs to him. and now uruguay regard him as a hero. its absurd
Fucking bullshit man! I love Kewell hope stays 1 more year in Turkey. His personality is amazing, and he's an example to all the Turkish players how a professional football player should be.
All people commenting here might don't know the rules!In this case WE DON'T CARE about the player's intentions!We give a red card because the ball was going straight to the net!He illegally stopped it from being a sure goal so he deserves a red card!
@tomdonny you are right but unfortunately under the guideliness if you make your body bigger and/or get your arm in an unnatural position once it hits you on the arm it is deemed deliberate. If it wasn't deemed intentional it would have been play on. the ref can't change the rules it was either play on or a deliberate handball. Deliberate handball in the box is a penalty , if it denies a goal it is a red
@L2PxSwift I know, unfortunately handball goes all the way up to the shoulder. Maybe the powers that be should look at that..wish my hand went up to my shoulder... men with big hands have big..... Anyway it was still a handball under the current laws. I think they probably include the shoulder in an effort to account for defenders spreading their arms and making themselves bigger. Not sure of the origin of defining the whole arm as the hand, I'll check
Thats not red card, its accidentally onto his hand.. the ball is quite fast and theres no way for kewell to move his hand from the ball.. shame for the referee
@curseshadow it may look that way but really if you stop , think and put Harry at the other end of the field with a goal bound Aussie shot he would have swayed out of the way just the same as the serbian defender who was only 3 yeards away from brett holman's shot on goal. The point is Harry was left for dead by the defnders , he had to try and chest the ball but once it hit his arm he was a goner. If this type of offence was let pass you'd have 4 guys on the line at every direct free kick
@curseshadow there was a video of Adelaide A league plyers shooting from the same spot at a player standing on the line. They were trying to prove harry couldn't have moved out of the way. Unfortunately the defender got out of the way with ease and they concluded that it was easily possible. I am not saying he should have , he had to try and stop it with his chest but the fact he was trying with his chest doesn't negate the handball once it goes wrong. Otherwise defenders would do it always
@wardos69 please that's just absolute rubbish, it was a completely different situation Harry is facing out from the goal line and the shot comes straight at him as the ball bounces around in a see of players at a million k's per hour.The serbian guy comes in at an angle from the left hand side of the pitch then seeing holman is about to shoot, turns thinking he's going to miss,your justification using the serbian situation is just an embarrassment honestly.I can only think your IQ is pretty low
@wardos69 please that's just absolute rubbish, it was a completely different situation Harry is facing out from the goal line and the shot comes straight at him as the ball bounces around in a see of players at a million k's per hour.The serbian guy comes in at an angle from the left hand side of the pitch then seeing holman is about to shoot, turns thinking he's going to miss,your justification using the serbian situation is just an embarrassment honestly.I can only think your IQ is pretty low
@warpfield98 Yes and no. One of the Brazil goals (the rebounder of the post) was an obvious offside goal that only people in the know realised. Shame this time round every man and his dog thought they knew the handball law which they don't but then Harry and Pim got it wrong so not much hope for anyone else. As a ref , I wish there were more people who read the laws before attacking the refs. Yes there have been a lot of bad decsions at this WC but Kewell's hnadball wasn't one of them
Harry but his body on the line to try and stop that ball from going in, but forget what the rules are, i defy anyone to completely remove their arm quick enough to not handball that shot, it was going at such a pace and there was nothing Harry could do, it struck his arm but it was NOT deliberate.
@warpfield98 It was under the guidleines.. that's the point his insticts when he was left high and dry were to trya and chest it which when it hit his arm meant it was a deliberate handball. If he was at the other end of the field and it was an aussie shot at goal his split second instincts would have been to get out of the way. Of course he doesn't have time to think but this doesn't make it accidental. All sports are full of reflex actions that are still deliberate eg close catches in cricket
@daniglue actually robbed against italy. robbed against ghana, but still drew. and smashed serbia. smashed japan. and drew with croatia. whos the dreamer now? you fucking dumb piece of shit.
funny how is Aus, hes all over the papers n that 4 being the top player for Aus n he'll be great when really he did nothing much. it shuda been cahill getting the spotlight.. BUT i aint ripping on kewell i like him, its just that ther was 2 much hype on him for WC
its because he is the most talented player that Australia has produced, and we all wanted him to take part in the World Cup. he has had so many injuries but when he was at the top of his game he was an awesome sight. i feel terrible for him, because he has worked so hard to try and stay fit, and this happens to him
The reason it is red not yellow is because the laws of the game state that any player committing a foul to stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity is to be shown a red and sent off....had he shown a yellow, he would never do another WC match again
@Tomid Couldn't agree more but that doesn't negate it being deliberate. hi intuition at the other end of the field would have meant he would have tried to have got out of the way. Hence eventhough the decision to try and block the shot was rapid it is still not accidental. just think of a reflex close in catch it cricket. I have never heard a cricket commentator say, well he didn't mean to catch that :-)
@wardos69 I would do away with red (and yellow) cards altogether, and bring in enforced substitutions, with unlimited substitutions like in ice hockey (but 'sent off' players can't come back on). It may not be fair to the team who was bound to score in this situation, but what actually happened was not fair to Australia either. It would've been fairer if it happened much later in the game. Late on it even makes sense for a defender to catch the ball. How would you stop them doing that?
@Tomid That is a very solid point. There has been a long held argument for only a penalty and a yellow for a handball on the goal line but as you say this may lead to people catching the ball towards the end of the game. That said the so called triple penalty is harsh. Maybe in such cases as kewell's the penalty was enough but the issue is how to do you punish differnt levels of deliberate.. It must be possible other sports like league do it every week
i spose next people will be telling me that Tim Cahill's ball to hand incident against serbia, classifies as a deliberate hand ball. well, only people who are biased and are having a laugh will
@warpfield98 Tim was very generous. He helped show the difference between accidental and eliberate. So now all those who said Harry's was accidental it should have just been a penalty now know the rules. Accidental is play on...Harry's wasn't accidental Tim's was
@hamstertrans That is not the law. Stop making things up! I am an A league referee Trust me. It is as simple as deliberate handball is a free kick, free kick in box is a penalty. Deny a goal or goal opportunity with a hand ball it is a red. Nothing more. Accidental hand ball (like tim's) is always play on wherever it occurs. You don't look at the mind to determine deliberate, you look at bodily actions (ball to hand , nake body bigger, unnatural position of hand. harry might not have
@hamstertrans meant it to hit his hand but he did things that meant once it hit his hand it was deliberate. You don't have to think consciously, it can be reflex. Think of it this way. If I throw something at you really quickly and you catch it by refflex.. you still disn't accidentally catch it... you deliberately did things to catch it. just ask yourself . If harry was at the other end of the field and it was an aussie shot on goal, would have reacted differently... you bet he would have
@hamstertrans he would have hit the deck or tried to sway out of the way . That is what his reflexes do at that end of the field. And if he was further forwad off the goal line , he would have done what the Serbian defender did for our second goal. Drop the arms and sway out of the way. This defender had a lot less time than harry. he was about 4 yeards from holman
@bobbybushae339 Let's all call them laws for a start not rules. But yes denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball is a red card. It is wriiten in Law 12. Note this doesn't have to be a penalty. That is because the offence occurred in the box. I have given reds for this out of the box (usually when the goalie runs out of his box in a straight one on one situation and handles the ball, Only qu for the ref here was it deliberate? if no- play on. If yes pen + red
Wake up, both Neill and Kewell move across to block the ball, yes the ball comes at him quick (if it was a brick he would have moved quicker to get out of the way but instead he chose to stand his ground and chance it and it didn't work out, tough crap) he should have let it in and then played like the professional that he is to get Australia the second goal
go the aussies, i wrecken the soceroos should join with the hockeyroos and make one team, that would be awesome. (playing hockey of course) cause football is just not for them.(actually no world sport is for them) not good sports the aussies. every game they lose the whinge, it wasnt a penalty in 2006, they got cheated now with red cards, when they lose from serbia they gonna say NATO didnt bomb them enough......just go home and watch those no brainers banging heads( rugby)
Dear danielsalegend. yes it was a red card agreed but your line any hand ball on the goal line is a red is completely wrong. how many times do people need to hear this THERE IS NO SANCTION FOR AN ACCIDENTAL HANDBALL IN FOOTBALL REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT OCCURS. Please believe me I am an A league referee. It was a red not for the handball but for the fact that he denied a goal scoring opportunity by an offence ttracting a free kick or penalty kick. Please everyone read the laws they are very short!
it was a red card, get the f over it, any fucking hand ball deliberate or not on the goal line is a red card, stop being blinded by ur patriotism and seeing how any thing is an attack on australia
And as my rant end please don't argue cross purposes. If you argue it was accidental that is fine but don't argue it was a handball and a penalty but not deliberate because if it is not deliberate it is not a handball- There is no such thing as a free kick for an accidental handball... if the ref gives s free kick he is deeming it to be deliberate
goal scoring opportunity. so all that could have happened is play on on penalty and red. there was no possibility for penalty or penalty plus yellow. It does not help referees (of which I am one) when the players and commentators can't even get the laws right before making comments. Just read the laws they are very clear and hopefully all the conspiracy/bias/dodgy ref theories go away. we look bad enough for complaining but not knowing the laws makes us look even worse
deemed to be deliberate . There was enough time to do something else but Harry didn't. Not saying he should have. he did the right thing but by making himself bigger tensing his arm and then trying to chest the ball meant that if it hit him below the shoulder a handball had to be deemed to be deliberate under the current laws. After that the rest of the snactions fall into line penalty plus red card. Deliberate determines the handball not the red card which was for denying a..
Video ref would not have helped in this situation. As a FFA ref we were all surveyed on the red card decision and out of 2345 answers how many people thought it was a handball and a red card?...... All of them. So the issue here is not bad refereeing it is whether the laws and the guidelines that are given to determine what is deliberate need to be better explained. deliberate is not a psycholgical examination , it is looking how the body reacts ie in this case reflex is still ...
Kewel was pushing his chest out to block the ball n his hands swaying back indicated he is trying to avoid an hand ball... but with the ball in such a speed, it hot him before he could react tho. Pretty harsh on him, unlucky dude...... hope to see him in action if the Aussies make it to the next round.
Unless someone is blind, its obvious Kewell moved to the right to try and block the ball with his body, he was unlucky it got his arm. However, rules are rules. The refs have probably been directed by FIFA to be tough to stamp out foul play. Its all good.
the fifa referees have been absolutely pathetic, they are already up to FIVE unnecessary red cards, as we speak... no consistency, just trigger-happy refs. this should have been a penalty + a yellow card
notice there are alot of morons deciding to take cheap shots at the aussies. it was not a deliberate handball and anyone with a footballing brain would know that. No one is disputing that IT IS A PENALTY, but a non intentional handball should no result in a red card. the referee got it wrong. Harry was clearly pulling back his arm to chest it, but a defy ANYONE to retract their arm as fast as that ball was traveling.
@warpfield98 and we can add you to getting wrong as well. Read the laws non intentional hand ball is play on regardless of where it happens. the ref has deemed the handball was intentional, cause it happened in the box it is a penalty and because an obvious goal scoring opportunity was denied by an action that attracted a free kick or penalty kick a red card must be issued. Please assume the ref's know teh laws. Iam an A league referee and we at least know the laws as they are written!
i bet aussies would say it was a deliberate hand ball if it was the other way around, typical aussies, always blaming someone else for their own fuckups
@valdo069 cricket, rugby, swimming, surfing pretty sure they're all sports as sport is defined as physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Sport is not our thing? Your either a troll or just a complete idiot; go look at some olympic statistics by per capita, which is the tip of the ice berg relating to sport.
Definately a red. Completely deliberate - his arm shouldn't be there. Aussies should stop whinging every time a decision goes against them and realise that theydon't have some divine right to play as they like without penalty.
If you think this is a joke of a red card like cahills and others like kaka this morning than join my group saying "Oh your in the world cup, heres a red card"
@manaal195 oh no, i was tlkin bout mainface, not kewell, he's awesome, i have absolutely no hatred toward harry kewell ever, I'm aussie mate, im on his side for this red card :) i would never call him a pussy
i find it funny how the world cup brings out the racist in everyone and makes them an expert in the sport, as an italian australian, i'll be straight with the wankers, back off dickheads you're country probably didn't qualify nor have they been doing as well, go fuck yourselves, that is all.
@respontaneous Perhaps people aren't criticising other nationalities because of genetics (i.e., racism), but because of cultural differences...? That would be something else, not racism.
I'm gonna sound like a whinney bitch but...... it would be rather nice if people could mark mainface's comments as spam because he's disrespecting Australia's authoriah!!!!!!!!
@perein03 typical aussie can dish it out but not take it back, i am only here because of the utter drivel written by posters on this thread to england vids, its called banter you twat,
another part of football you dont seem to really get
@perein03 hahaha i know right,what a dog! :) @mainface i swear to fukin jesus, if i ever seen you on the street i'd kick your fukin infected ugly cunt all the way to the fukin brothel where you were conceived motherfukkerr!
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Penalty = yes, Yellow = maybe Red? wtf He was reacting to the ball shifting from one side of the box to the other, the ball came at him so fast he couldnt do anything. if you watch frame by frame from 44 to 48 you can clearly see that he tried to move at the ball with his chest and that he was bringing his arms back. anyone who says that this is an intentional handball should go face a ball at that pace.
@BigK42O Kewell was standing still so I don't really understand your comment. The only thing moving was his arm and, to avoid any inflammatory comment other than that, all I will say is that any player's arm can be by his/her side when he/she is not moving. Given that he was standing still, Kewell's arm was in an unnatural position giving him an unfair advantage - that is enough. Maybe it was mere coincidence that he was on his own goal line and stopped a certain goal...?
Instead of just shooting off your mouth how about you read the rules yourself? They are easy to find and easy to understand (law 12). In this specific situation, if it was a handball then it was also a red card. The only decision left to the ref is if it was a handball or not.
i read earlier that world cup officials are going to change the fact that a player can give a penalty away, get sent off AND get banned for the next game
@HamSupZhai Now that sounds like a step in the right direction, particularly the bit about getting banned for the next game. You'd think that should be reserved for deliberate malicious behaviour rather than borderline decisions.
Neutral football fan here. It was a clear handball, struck him in the upper arm as he leaned in. Handball stopping a goal, automatic red.
Too bad Harry plays up front, any veteran defenders would've tucked his arms behind his back. If he did that, the ball would've went in, but he would've avoided his red card.
not a red card. this world cup has been really rubbish tbh. poor game results and very poor ref decisions. too many red cards being given out for accidental shit. FIFA has some explaining to do
its absolute rubbish. the contact on the ball was obviously not intentional, the ball was going that fast and kewell had no time to react whatsoever. the rule is if there is illegal contact with the body that prevents the ball going into the goal, automatic red card. thats why its bullshit
gotta cop it on the chin boys, heads up and lets give the serbs a smacking
In the Aus vs Germany match a German player couldn;t react fast enough to remove his hand from the path of a goal bound ball when in the box and we didn;t get no penalty or german send off.
Double standard city.
I don;t believe that was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball.
Referring needs to go to replays to avoid heat of the moment f$ck ups.
Can somebody give more information on "the last man standing" rule? As far as I can gather - this also has something to do with the red card decision. And can someone also please tell me why Kewell - a striker - was made to / or chose to stand in what is normally a defenders position? Could this be a crucial point?
To me the million dollar question is "Was the handball deliberate?" I think the answer in this case is that apart from Harry Kewell himself, no-one can be 100% sure. It certainly doesn't appear to be blatantly deliberate, but it can be said that if you don't try to do enough to get your arm out of the way thats a form of deliberate handball too.
@mcqwerty43 It was not deliberate...look at his arms., they are in the normal position for sideways movement...note his left arm does nothing different from the right. Both arms flinch in with the threat of the ball rocketing towards him. He would have to be able to move his arm faster than Superman to deliberately stop it or get it out of the way or. FIFA are a disgrace for not introducing video replays...far from custodians they are the curse on the game. France v Ireland etc etc. Boo FIFA!!
look it was a penalty because of the handball no matter how much of an accident it is. The red card is a bad decision because it was an accident and he tried to move out of the way and use his chest. So the penalty is just but to send him off was far too much yellow card max. They need a refferal system at the end of the match so they can apeal the ban cuz that is not worth loosing a match over
@trav42009 A handball has to be intentional to be a foul, that's in the rules - "a direct free kick is given if"...."handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area). Also, if there's a handball that directly prevents a certain goal that's an automatic red card. see FIFA guidelines "Sending Off Offences" - Item 4
"denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
@mcqwerty43 At the speed the ball was kicked and from the range it was kicked Kewell would have no chance to remove his hand thus not making it intentional. as you can see anyway he did make an effort to use his chest and not his arm it was not as if he moved his arm into the path of the ball to stop it. I would say penalty for sure and maybe if anything a yellow. If those are the rules which you say they are then there needs to some revision of them otherwise Soccer will become very legalistic
@trav42009 U RIGHT it was nicest move from a player to defend his goal and for a few centimeters argument gets not one but thre harses penaltys, this not the soccer I know ! NOT THE SOCER BUT FIFA IS A JOKE
I'm sorry for Aussies, but this is a shiny red card.
You can't keep your arms out of your figures in the penalty zone, if you are on the line, and you keep your arms wide, if the ball hits your arms is considered a willing fault. It has always been like that. Referee can't read minds.
Probably it was just a reflex by Kewell to rise his arm, it's not like "consciously willing". But the rules are clear, he stopped a clear goal occasion (hard to think to a clearer one ^_^): red card.
@Sparky1174 Again, I'm sorry, but that's the common use. The referee can't read minds, if someone stays on the line (last man) with wide arms, it's considered that he wanted to touch the ball. The players know that, and they keep their arms behind their back.
It's the only way: in the penalty zone the assumption is willing touch, if the referee isn't sure of the opposite. There are some specific exceptions (for example if the ball hits first another part of your body and bounce on your arm).
He handled the ball, and because Kewell denied Ghana a goal by handling the ball (because it'd certainly be a goal) a red card is the correct punishment, however harsh it might be.
@Paulnl1 fifa law states that handiling the ball inside the teams goals does not have to be punished by a red card...... harry kewll had no no intention of stoping the ball with his hands.. the ball was kicked into him... it should be a penalty.... but not a red card....
The FIFA also states that a red card should be issued if a goal or a clear goalscoring opportunity is denied by the handball. Since that's the case (because obviously, a goal is denied), the red card is correct.
Sure, that's true. But the goalscoring opportunity was obvious, and if a goal is denied by a handball, the red card is the referee's only option. People whining and saying that a yellow card should have been issued are wrong, because that's not the idea of the rule.
Kewell certainly tried to block the ball with his chest, but there's this little nasty thing that could happen: the ball might hit your arm, which means a handball, which, in this case, means a red card should be issued.
Whether or not it was intentional, I don't know. But a red card is always issued when a handball is made (by a defender) on the goal line. You may think it's not intentional, I think it was sort of intentional, because he clearly tried to block the ball, but was unlucky to have the ball hit his arm. But because the arm seems to reach for the ball to me, I think the referee is correct.
well of course he tried to block the ball, but his intention was to use his chest not his arm, that is for all to see. he retracts his arm, but really, how is he able to completely remove it when the ball is coming at him that fast? how on earth can you say his arm is reaching for the ball its not!
He jumps towards the ball. Had he not done so, the ball would've gone in. Simple as that. That's why I think it's a deliberate handball: he's moving his body, and therefore his arms, towards the ball. As for removing your arms there, like I said, don't jump towards it, and you won't hit it.
but what is he meant to do? just stand out of the way and let the ball go in the net? its clear his intention was to chest it. it was unlucky to hit his arm, and penalty is the correct and fair decision, but not a red card. the ball smacks his arm and the recoil makes it look like his arm has been completely extended, but it hasn't. he has moved his arm back, and as i say its completely unfortunate.
If you agree it's a penalty, then you should agree it's a red card too, because he denied Ghana a goal with a handball, and that means a red card is justified. It is unfortunate indeed, but then you also say the Laws of the Game are unfortunate, and for this instance, that's certainly the case. It's harsh, but we could also call it the bitter truth. The red card is correct.
well we can agree to disagree, but for me it has to be assessed whether the handball was deliberate or not. otherwise to avoid stopping the ball with your hand, you should just chop your arm off
@warpfield98 that is the only bone of contention. Under the guidelines it was clearly deliberate. This is not a psycholgical examination of the player but a look at body motions that may or may not have had to occur. As refs you look at "making the body bigger" unnatural hand position and tensing of the arm. It is not everyday definition of deliberate. When I train refs this is how I explain it. If I throw you something and you catch it even if by reflex, you aren't accidentally catching it :-)
i don't know what this 'we' business is, i wasn't even talking too you. and i haven't been voicing any rights to opinions, you brought that up. but in any case, i do have the right to my opinion, so deal with it.
Jaja, no solo Suárez se los hizo en este mundial. Solo que Uruguay tuvo mejor suerte ;-)
germanbreacunha 1 year ago
these refs are biased to us australians first Cahill and then kewell
pojomon1234 1 year ago
lol, ghana must be pissed, two times the same situation
Tomkens1985 1 year ago
actually bladeznrosez if you stop the ball with your hand on an obvious goal it will get you a red card read the rulebook
Naqkin 1 year ago
I'd like everyone to take a long hard look at Uruguay's Luis Suarez's handball against Ghana and tell me how that one compare's to Harry's UNINTENTIONAL HANDBALL here.
warpfield98 1 year ago 4
@warpfield98 Sure, no problems, under the laws there is absolutely no difference in the sanctions that are handed out on the field. Intentional handballs that deny a goal receive a red card. There are no gradations of intentional. This is only something I have been saying for 2 weeks. Once the refereed deemed Harry's was intentional the sanctions followed. That said FIFA have let themselves down again by only giving Suarez one match. they should have given him 2 so he'd miss the final as well
wardos69 1 year ago
he should be given two matches and recieve a fine. it sickens me that he is now boasting saying that the hand of god belongs to him. and now uruguay regard him as a hero. its absurd
warpfield98 1 year ago
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Germtrancsuperman 1 year ago
Fucking bullshit man! I love Kewell hope stays 1 more year in Turkey. His personality is amazing, and he's an example to all the Turkish players how a professional football player should be.
THSoccer92 1 year ago
All people commenting here might don't know the rules!In this case WE DON'T CARE about the player's intentions!We give a red card because the ball was going straight to the net!He illegally stopped it from being a sure goal so he deserves a red card!
4400seriesFAN 1 year ago
has to be a penalty but not a red card his intension was to hit it on his chest and hit his arm
tomdonny 1 year ago
@tomdonny you are right but unfortunately under the guideliness if you make your body bigger and/or get your arm in an unnatural position once it hits you on the arm it is deemed deliberate. If it wasn't deemed intentional it would have been play on. the ref can't change the rules it was either play on or a deliberate handball. Deliberate handball in the box is a penalty , if it denies a goal it is a red
wardos69 1 year ago
@wardos69 his was in an un natural position but, it hit him in the shoulder / upper torso
L2PxSwift 1 year ago
@L2PxSwift I know, unfortunately handball goes all the way up to the shoulder. Maybe the powers that be should look at that..wish my hand went up to my shoulder... men with big hands have big..... Anyway it was still a handball under the current laws. I think they probably include the shoulder in an effort to account for defenders spreading their arms and making themselves bigger. Not sure of the origin of defining the whole arm as the hand, I'll check
wardos69 1 year ago
@wardos69 lol, i think you might be right
L2PxSwift 1 year ago
fucking stupid referee
gs4ever1905 1 year ago
Video referee please? Australia should of made it to the knock out stages.
cryingmushroom47 1 year ago
Thats not red card, its accidentally onto his hand.. the ball is quite fast and theres no way for kewell to move his hand from the ball.. shame for the referee
curseshadow 1 year ago
@curseshadow it may look that way but really if you stop , think and put Harry at the other end of the field with a goal bound Aussie shot he would have swayed out of the way just the same as the serbian defender who was only 3 yeards away from brett holman's shot on goal. The point is Harry was left for dead by the defnders , he had to try and chest the ball but once it hit his arm he was a goner. If this type of offence was let pass you'd have 4 guys on the line at every direct free kick
wardos69 1 year ago
@curseshadow there was a video of Adelaide A league plyers shooting from the same spot at a player standing on the line. They were trying to prove harry couldn't have moved out of the way. Unfortunately the defender got out of the way with ease and they concluded that it was easily possible. I am not saying he should have , he had to try and stop it with his chest but the fact he was trying with his chest doesn't negate the handball once it goes wrong. Otherwise defenders would do it always
wardos69 1 year ago
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@wardos69 please that's just absolute rubbish, it was a completely different situation Harry is facing out from the goal line and the shot comes straight at him as the ball bounces around in a see of players at a million k's per hour.The serbian guy comes in at an angle from the left hand side of the pitch then seeing holman is about to shoot, turns thinking he's going to miss,your justification using the serbian situation is just an embarrassment honestly.I can only think your IQ is pretty low
warneinsane 1 year ago
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@wardos69 please that's just absolute rubbish, it was a completely different situation Harry is facing out from the goal line and the shot comes straight at him as the ball bounces around in a see of players at a million k's per hour.The serbian guy comes in at an angle from the left hand side of the pitch then seeing holman is about to shoot, turns thinking he's going to miss,your justification using the serbian situation is just an embarrassment honestly.I can only think your IQ is pretty low
warneinsane 1 year ago
we were comprehensively beaten by Brazil in 2006 and we didn't complain because it was a fair game with a fair outcome. the referee did a good job.
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98 Yes and no. One of the Brazil goals (the rebounder of the post) was an obvious offside goal that only people in the know realised. Shame this time round every man and his dog thought they knew the handball law which they don't but then Harry and Pim got it wrong so not much hope for anyone else. As a ref , I wish there were more people who read the laws before attacking the refs. Yes there have been a lot of bad decsions at this WC but Kewell's hnadball wasn't one of them
wardos69 1 year ago
Harry but his body on the line to try and stop that ball from going in, but forget what the rules are, i defy anyone to completely remove their arm quick enough to not handball that shot, it was going at such a pace and there was nothing Harry could do, it struck his arm but it was NOT deliberate.
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98 It was under the guidleines.. that's the point his insticts when he was left high and dry were to trya and chest it which when it hit his arm meant it was a deliberate handball. If he was at the other end of the field and it was an aussie shot at goal his split second instincts would have been to get out of the way. Of course he doesn't have time to think but this doesn't make it accidental. All sports are full of reflex actions that are still deliberate eg close catches in cricket
wardos69 1 year ago
@daniglue actually robbed against italy. robbed against ghana, but still drew. and smashed serbia. smashed japan. and drew with croatia. whos the dreamer now? you fucking dumb piece of shit.
mboner1 1 year ago
@mboner1
dream... dream... keep dreaming... :)
One day you'll reach the quarter of finals.
daniglue 1 year ago
@daniglue noob.
mboner1 1 year ago
funny how is Aus, hes all over the papers n that 4 being the top player for Aus n he'll be great when really he did nothing much. it shuda been cahill getting the spotlight.. BUT i aint ripping on kewell i like him, its just that ther was 2 much hype on him for WC
platnium1811 1 year ago
its because he is the most talented player that Australia has produced, and we all wanted him to take part in the World Cup. he has had so many injuries but when he was at the top of his game he was an awesome sight. i feel terrible for him, because he has worked so hard to try and stay fit, and this happens to him
warpfield98 1 year ago 7
Referee can go suck a dick. Thumbs up if i'm right.
itachiwsa1998 1 year ago
Why don't you post Cahill handball as situation for discusing?
N1ckCr4ck3rZ 1 year ago
The reason it is red not yellow is because the laws of the game state that any player committing a foul to stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity is to be shown a red and sent off....had he shown a yellow, he would never do another WC match again
jesuprugger 1 year ago
the only way kewell could avoid getting sent off is to counter-intuitively dive out of the way.
Tomid 1 year ago
@Tomid Couldn't agree more but that doesn't negate it being deliberate. hi intuition at the other end of the field would have meant he would have tried to have got out of the way. Hence eventhough the decision to try and block the shot was rapid it is still not accidental. just think of a reflex close in catch it cricket. I have never heard a cricket commentator say, well he didn't mean to catch that :-)
wardos69 1 year ago
@wardos69 I would do away with red (and yellow) cards altogether, and bring in enforced substitutions, with unlimited substitutions like in ice hockey (but 'sent off' players can't come back on). It may not be fair to the team who was bound to score in this situation, but what actually happened was not fair to Australia either. It would've been fairer if it happened much later in the game. Late on it even makes sense for a defender to catch the ball. How would you stop them doing that?
Tomid 1 year ago
@Tomid That is a very solid point. There has been a long held argument for only a penalty and a yellow for a handball on the goal line but as you say this may lead to people catching the ball towards the end of the game. That said the so called triple penalty is harsh. Maybe in such cases as kewell's the penalty was enough but the issue is how to do you punish differnt levels of deliberate.. It must be possible other sports like league do it every week
wardos69 1 year ago
mate thats fucking bullshit get a ref that isant so against australia just cause they don't fall over and cry about it
30k2cap 1 year ago
i spose next people will be telling me that Tim Cahill's ball to hand incident against serbia, classifies as a deliberate hand ball. well, only people who are biased and are having a laugh will
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98 Tim was very generous. He helped show the difference between accidental and eliberate. So now all those who said Harry's was accidental it should have just been a penalty now know the rules. Accidental is play on...Harry's wasn't accidental Tim's was
wardos69 1 year ago
the rule is: if you block the shot (that is on goal) with your hand (even if you didnt want to) it is always a red card
and a penalty so this is good refereeing.
hamstertrans 1 year ago
@hamstertrans
that happened today the guy blocked the ball on the line with his arm with no call by ref ghana should be beating germany 1-0 now
ultimateblaze23 1 year ago
@hamstertrans that's not the rule, but admittedly it's the common interpretation of the rule.
miknicholls 1 year ago
@hamstertrans That is not the law. Stop making things up! I am an A league referee Trust me. It is as simple as deliberate handball is a free kick, free kick in box is a penalty. Deny a goal or goal opportunity with a hand ball it is a red. Nothing more. Accidental hand ball (like tim's) is always play on wherever it occurs. You don't look at the mind to determine deliberate, you look at bodily actions (ball to hand , nake body bigger, unnatural position of hand. harry might not have
wardos69 1 year ago
@hamstertrans meant it to hit his hand but he did things that meant once it hit his hand it was deliberate. You don't have to think consciously, it can be reflex. Think of it this way. If I throw something at you really quickly and you catch it by refflex.. you still disn't accidentally catch it... you deliberately did things to catch it. just ask yourself . If harry was at the other end of the field and it was an aussie shot on goal, would have reacted differently... you bet he would have
wardos69 1 year ago
@hamstertrans he would have hit the deck or tried to sway out of the way . That is what his reflexes do at that end of the field. And if he was further forwad off the goal line , he would have done what the Serbian defender did for our second goal. Drop the arms and sway out of the way. This defender had a lot less time than harry. he was about 4 yeards from holman
wardos69 1 year ago
@hamstertrans one thing is to block the ball with u hand , and another is to be hit in a arm by a powerful shot from short distance!
enfieldguru 1 year ago
is there other FIFA ?--this one is pissing me off I will never enjoy another game !
enfieldguru 1 year ago
FIFA---crappy rules ---little mistake like that to create THRE huge punishments !
enfieldguru 1 year ago
this clearly deserved a red card, it looks like he is about to give the ball a back massage with a happy ending its so obvious
clareemilyclance 1 year ago
I so wanted to punch that pathetic ref in the face what a stupid fuck wit!!
MrZork888 1 year ago
Yellow card not red
BladeZnRoseZ 1 year ago
actually, under the rules, which most people in this country arent aware of, it's a red card
bobbybushae339 1 year ago
@bobbybushae339 Let's all call them laws for a start not rules. But yes denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball is a red card. It is wriiten in Law 12. Note this doesn't have to be a penalty. That is because the offence occurred in the box. I have given reds for this out of the box (usually when the goalie runs out of his box in a straight one on one situation and handles the ball, Only qu for the ref here was it deliberate? if no- play on. If yes pen + red
wardos69 1 year ago
@BladeZnRoseZ
lol
Sverige001 1 year ago
KAKA WILL BE PRESIDENT OF BRAZIL ONE DAY!
sAfricanView 1 year ago
Wake up, both Neill and Kewell move across to block the ball, yes the ball comes at him quick (if it was a brick he would have moved quicker to get out of the way but instead he chose to stand his ground and chance it and it didn't work out, tough crap) he should have let it in and then played like the professional that he is to get Australia the second goal
n03lr055 1 year ago
go the aussies, i wrecken the soceroos should join with the hockeyroos and make one team, that would be awesome. (playing hockey of course) cause football is just not for them.(actually no world sport is for them) not good sports the aussies. every game they lose the whinge, it wasnt a penalty in 2006, they got cheated now with red cards, when they lose from serbia they gonna say NATO didnt bomb them enough......just go home and watch those no brainers banging heads( rugby)
valdo069 1 year ago
@valdo069 wtf?
FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
Dear danielsalegend. yes it was a red card agreed but your line any hand ball on the goal line is a red is completely wrong. how many times do people need to hear this THERE IS NO SANCTION FOR AN ACCIDENTAL HANDBALL IN FOOTBALL REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT OCCURS. Please believe me I am an A league referee. It was a red not for the handball but for the fact that he denied a goal scoring opportunity by an offence ttracting a free kick or penalty kick. Please everyone read the laws they are very short!
wardos69 1 year ago
it was a red card, get the f over it, any fucking hand ball deliberate or not on the goal line is a red card, stop being blinded by ur patriotism and seeing how any thing is an attack on australia
danielsalegend 1 year ago
And as my rant end please don't argue cross purposes. If you argue it was accidental that is fine but don't argue it was a handball and a penalty but not deliberate because if it is not deliberate it is not a handball- There is no such thing as a free kick for an accidental handball... if the ref gives s free kick he is deeming it to be deliberate
wardos69 1 year ago
goal scoring opportunity. so all that could have happened is play on on penalty and red. there was no possibility for penalty or penalty plus yellow. It does not help referees (of which I am one) when the players and commentators can't even get the laws right before making comments. Just read the laws they are very clear and hopefully all the conspiracy/bias/dodgy ref theories go away. we look bad enough for complaining but not knowing the laws makes us look even worse
wardos69 1 year ago
deemed to be deliberate . There was enough time to do something else but Harry didn't. Not saying he should have. he did the right thing but by making himself bigger tensing his arm and then trying to chest the ball meant that if it hit him below the shoulder a handball had to be deemed to be deliberate under the current laws. After that the rest of the snactions fall into line penalty plus red card. Deliberate determines the handball not the red card which was for denying a..
wardos69 1 year ago
Video ref would not have helped in this situation. As a FFA ref we were all surveyed on the red card decision and out of 2345 answers how many people thought it was a handball and a red card?...... All of them. So the issue here is not bad refereeing it is whether the laws and the guidelines that are given to determine what is deliberate need to be better explained. deliberate is not a psycholgical examination , it is looking how the body reacts ie in this case reflex is still ...
wardos69 1 year ago
Kewel was pushing his chest out to block the ball n his hands swaying back indicated he is trying to avoid an hand ball... but with the ball in such a speed, it hot him before he could react tho. Pretty harsh on him, unlucky dude...... hope to see him in action if the Aussies make it to the next round.
maran755 1 year ago
its hand ball red card clearly!!!!!!
manmy016 1 year ago
it was not intentional, he closed his eyes and had no idea where the ball was going!
PloughBoi1 1 year ago
Unless someone is blind, its obvious Kewell moved to the right to try and block the ball with his body, he was unlucky it got his arm. However, rules are rules. The refs have probably been directed by FIFA to be tough to stamp out foul play. Its all good.
muaythairaja 1 year ago
the fifa referees have been absolutely pathetic, they are already up to FIVE unnecessary red cards, as we speak... no consistency, just trigger-happy refs. this should have been a penalty + a yellow card
HazyAlex 1 year ago
notice there are alot of morons deciding to take cheap shots at the aussies. it was not a deliberate handball and anyone with a footballing brain would know that. No one is disputing that IT IS A PENALTY, but a non intentional handball should no result in a red card. the referee got it wrong. Harry was clearly pulling back his arm to chest it, but a defy ANYONE to retract their arm as fast as that ball was traveling.
warpfield98 1 year ago
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mainface 1 year ago
@warpfield98 and we can add you to getting wrong as well. Read the laws non intentional hand ball is play on regardless of where it happens. the ref has deemed the handball was intentional, cause it happened in the box it is a penalty and because an obvious goal scoring opportunity was denied by an action that attracted a free kick or penalty kick a red card must be issued. Please assume the ref's know teh laws. Iam an A league referee and we at least know the laws as they are written!
wardos69 1 year ago
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BladeZnRoseZ 1 year ago
@BladeZnRoseZ
poor guy :-(
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tycobbb 1 year ago
i bet aussies would say it was a deliberate hand ball if it was the other way around, typical aussies, always blaming someone else for their own fuckups
tajanaz07 1 year ago
shut up aussies, sport is just not your thing, (cricket is not a sport), go swim, surf, play with your dangerous animals... go home
valdo069 1 year ago
@valdo069 cricket, rugby, swimming, surfing pretty sure they're all sports as sport is defined as physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
Be more mature you narrow minded fuck
twin99098538 1 year ago
@valdo069
Sport is not our thing? Your either a troll or just a complete idiot; go look at some olympic statistics by per capita, which is the tip of the ice berg relating to sport.
petecabrina 1 year ago
Definately a red. Completely deliberate - his arm shouldn't be there. Aussies should stop whinging every time a decision goes against them and realise that theydon't have some divine right to play as they like without penalty.
joey19930303 1 year ago
yeah brilliant, your clearly on here for a laugh. next...
warpfield98 1 year ago
lol, true
but the english are the biggest whiners in sport
even worse than the italians or barcelona
bobbybushae339 1 year ago
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lol, true
but the english are the biggest whiners in sport
even worse than the italians or barcelona
bobbybushae339 1 year ago
EPIC FAIL!!!!
dragons4ever2007 1 year ago
although all the australian experts say its not a red card, it is according to the rules.
theres nothing he could do its just unlucky. btw im
australian
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alicolungafigo 1 year ago
if this is red then shure as hell Brasil deserved red as well yesterday !!
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stapledicecream 1 year ago
Cahill, Kewell and I guess Niel is next!!! I frickin sat there and cried for 10 minutes wen Kewell got sent off!
manaal195 1 year ago
@manaal195 oh no, i was tlkin bout mainface, not kewell, he's awesome, i have absolutely no hatred toward harry kewell ever, I'm aussie mate, im on his side for this red card :) i would never call him a pussy
FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
@FOBGIRL58 oh sorry!!! =)
manaal195 1 year ago
@manaal195 its alright mate, i would of reacted teh same way if i thoguht someone called kewell a pussy :)
FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
@BladeZnRoseZ It has to be a red, as I've stated in many of my other comments, as soon as that is blown for a penalty the red has to be shown.
Arcorn9000 1 year ago
soccer is a joke,
exten567 1 year ago
@exten567 FIFA IS A JOKE
enfieldguru 1 year ago
i find it funny how the world cup brings out the racist in everyone and makes them an expert in the sport, as an italian australian, i'll be straight with the wankers, back off dickheads you're country probably didn't qualify nor have they been doing as well, go fuck yourselves, that is all.
respontaneous 1 year ago
@respontaneous Perhaps people aren't criticising other nationalities because of genetics (i.e., racism), but because of cultural differences...? That would be something else, not racism.
miknicholls 1 year ago
@miknicholls nah it's definitely racism.
respontaneous 1 year ago
@respontaneous Well, I can't argue with that logic.
miknicholls 1 year ago
@miknicholls hahaha
respontaneous 1 year ago
That red card was sooooo fucked up swear 2 god >:(
sony101bleachluver 1 year ago
I'm gonna sound like a whinney bitch but...... it would be rather nice if people could mark mainface's comments as spam because he's disrespecting Australia's authoriah!!!!!!!!
perein03 1 year ago
@perein03 typical aussie can dish it out but not take it back, i am only here because of the utter drivel written by posters on this thread to england vids, its called banter you twat,
another part of football you dont seem to really get
mainface 1 year ago
@FOBGIRL58 man mainface is the biggest meany troll i ever came across on youtube!!!!
perein03 1 year ago
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FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
@FOBGIRL58 lol i doubt that, i would just turkey slap some manners into you
mainface 1 year ago
@mainface i would chop your fukin dick off if it came anywhere near me ya sick fuck!
FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
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FOBGIRL58 1 year ago
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mainface 1 year ago
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taylaaahful 1 year ago
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taylaaahful 1 year ago
haha suck shito what a fuckin noob hand baller gtfo field tytytyytytyy
Renjai47 1 year ago
definitely a yellow card material
what is the ref thinking?
that wasn't intentional!
starletbang 1 year ago
@Keithd - I have to agree with you , but I also have to point out that Kirby was renowned for his dissidence in legal decision making.
jeeeeeeesus 1 year ago
Penalty = yes, Yellow = maybe Red? wtf He was reacting to the ball shifting from one side of the box to the other, the ball came at him so fast he couldnt do anything. if you watch frame by frame from 44 to 48 you can clearly see that he tried to move at the ball with his chest and that he was bringing his arms back. anyone who says that this is an intentional handball should go face a ball at that pace.
BigK42O 1 year ago 2
@BigK42O what was his arm doing out there in the first place?
kamyueloh 1 year ago
@kamyueloh grabbing your dick
Renjai47 1 year ago
@kamyueloh have you ever tried to run side to side with your arms behind your back?
BigK42O 1 year ago
@BigK42O Kewell was standing still so I don't really understand your comment. The only thing moving was his arm and, to avoid any inflammatory comment other than that, all I will say is that any player's arm can be by his/her side when he/she is not moving. Given that he was standing still, Kewell's arm was in an unnatural position giving him an unfair advantage - that is enough. Maybe it was mere coincidence that he was on his own goal line and stopped a certain goal...?
kamyueloh 1 year ago
@BigK42O if it's a penalty then it's a red card, that's the rules
FukuzawaY 1 year ago
so everytime a penalty is given, the opposite player should be sent off is that what your telling me?
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98 No.
Instead of just shooting off your mouth how about you read the rules yourself? They are easy to find and easy to understand (law 12). In this specific situation, if it was a handball then it was also a red card. The only decision left to the ref is if it was a handball or not.
spoddie 1 year ago
i read earlier that world cup officials are going to change the fact that a player can give a penalty away, get sent off AND get banned for the next game
HamSupZhai 1 year ago
@HamSupZhai Now that sounds like a step in the right direction, particularly the bit about getting banned for the next game. You'd think that should be reserved for deliberate malicious behaviour rather than borderline decisions.
mcqwerty43 1 year ago
Neutral football fan here. It was a clear handball, struck him in the upper arm as he leaned in. Handball stopping a goal, automatic red.
Too bad Harry plays up front, any veteran defenders would've tucked his arms behind his back. If he did that, the ball would've went in, but he would've avoided his red card.
JohnWoo 1 year ago 2
@JohnWoo spot on
mainface 1 year ago
bullshit red card :@
albanianmujahadin 1 year ago
not a red card. this world cup has been really rubbish tbh. poor game results and very poor ref decisions. too many red cards being given out for accidental shit. FIFA has some explaining to do
SharkSkull 1 year ago
its absolute rubbish. the contact on the ball was obviously not intentional, the ball was going that fast and kewell had no time to react whatsoever. the rule is if there is illegal contact with the body that prevents the ball going into the goal, automatic red card. thats why its bullshit
gotta cop it on the chin boys, heads up and lets give the serbs a smacking
discunt69 1 year ago
dont give up,,,harry!!
deluxeeeLuxury 1 year ago
this was bull fucking shit
I was sitting in a bar in japan chanting bullshit ..bull shit .....bullshit ....
even go the mixed foreign crowd behind me on this yelling at the screen too...
fuck head ref harry should earned his card and just smacked hinm in the face
bee29yrsold 1 year ago
In the Aus vs Germany match a German player couldn;t react fast enough to remove his hand from the path of a goal bound ball when in the box and we didn;t get no penalty or german send off.
Double standard city.
I don;t believe that was a deliberate attempt to handle the ball.
Referring needs to go to replays to avoid heat of the moment f$ck ups.
Esberendza 1 year ago
LEARN THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it has to be from more than 10 meters away
germany's wasnt
australia's was
bobbybushae339 1 year ago
Can somebody give more information on "the last man standing" rule? As far as I can gather - this also has something to do with the red card decision. And can someone also please tell me why Kewell - a striker - was made to / or chose to stand in what is normally a defenders position? Could this be a crucial point?
101garb 1 year ago
@101garb check out the FIFA laws of the game pdf on their website, worth a look.
mcqwerty43 1 year ago
To me the million dollar question is "Was the handball deliberate?" I think the answer in this case is that apart from Harry Kewell himself, no-one can be 100% sure. It certainly doesn't appear to be blatantly deliberate, but it can be said that if you don't try to do enough to get your arm out of the way thats a form of deliberate handball too.
mcqwerty43 1 year ago
@mcqwerty43 It was not deliberate...look at his arms., they are in the normal position for sideways movement...note his left arm does nothing different from the right. Both arms flinch in with the threat of the ball rocketing towards him. He would have to be able to move his arm faster than Superman to deliberately stop it or get it out of the way or. FIFA are a disgrace for not introducing video replays...far from custodians they are the curse on the game. France v Ireland etc etc. Boo FIFA!!
xcharliex08 1 year ago
look it was a penalty because of the handball no matter how much of an accident it is. The red card is a bad decision because it was an accident and he tried to move out of the way and use his chest. So the penalty is just but to send him off was far too much yellow card max. They need a refferal system at the end of the match so they can apeal the ban cuz that is not worth loosing a match over
trav42009 1 year ago
@trav42009 A handball has to be intentional to be a foul, that's in the rules - "a direct free kick is given if"...."handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area). Also, if there's a handball that directly prevents a certain goal that's an automatic red card. see FIFA guidelines "Sending Off Offences" - Item 4
"denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity
by deliberately handling the ball"
mcqwerty43 1 year ago
@mcqwerty43 At the speed the ball was kicked and from the range it was kicked Kewell would have no chance to remove his hand thus not making it intentional. as you can see anyway he did make an effort to use his chest and not his arm it was not as if he moved his arm into the path of the ball to stop it. I would say penalty for sure and maybe if anything a yellow. If those are the rules which you say they are then there needs to some revision of them otherwise Soccer will become very legalistic
trav42009 1 year ago
@trav42009 U RIGHT it was nicest move from a player to defend his goal and for a few centimeters argument gets not one but thre harses penaltys, this not the soccer I know ! NOT THE SOCER BUT FIFA IS A JOKE
enfieldguru 1 year ago
The decision was absolutely correct.
TheEvilDetector 1 year ago
I'm sorry for Aussies, but this is a shiny red card.
You can't keep your arms out of your figures in the penalty zone, if you are on the line, and you keep your arms wide, if the ball hits your arms is considered a willing fault. It has always been like that. Referee can't read minds.
Probably it was just a reflex by Kewell to rise his arm, it's not like "consciously willing". But the rules are clear, he stopped a clear goal occasion (hard to think to a clearer one ^_^): red card.
bobon123 1 year ago
@bobon123 he had his eyes closed...... he couldent even see the ball... i admit it should be a penalyty but not a fucking red card...
Sparky1174 1 year ago
@Sparky1174 Again, I'm sorry, but that's the common use. The referee can't read minds, if someone stays on the line (last man) with wide arms, it's considered that he wanted to touch the ball. The players know that, and they keep their arms behind their back.
It's the only way: in the penalty zone the assumption is willing touch, if the referee isn't sure of the opposite. There are some specific exceptions (for example if the ball hits first another part of your body and bounce on your arm).
bobon123 1 year ago
@Sparky1174
He handled the ball, and because Kewell denied Ghana a goal by handling the ball (because it'd certainly be a goal) a red card is the correct punishment, however harsh it might be.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
@Paulnl1 fifa law states that handiling the ball inside the teams goals does not have to be punished by a red card...... harry kewll had no no intention of stoping the ball with his hands.. the ball was kicked into him... it should be a penalty.... but not a red card....
Sparky1174 1 year ago
@Sparky1174
The FIFA also states that a red card should be issued if a goal or a clear goalscoring opportunity is denied by the handball. Since that's the case (because obviously, a goal is denied), the red card is correct.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
@Paulnl1 it also say whether it was deliberate or not ..........
perein03 1 year ago
@perein03
Sure, that's true. But the goalscoring opportunity was obvious, and if a goal is denied by a handball, the red card is the referee's only option. People whining and saying that a yellow card should have been issued are wrong, because that's not the idea of the rule.
Kewell certainly tried to block the ball with his chest, but there's this little nasty thing that could happen: the ball might hit your arm, which means a handball, which, in this case, means a red card should be issued.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
@Paulnl1 if it is done intentionally..... that was not intentional....
Sparky1174 1 year ago
@Sparky1174
Whether or not it was intentional, I don't know. But a red card is always issued when a handball is made (by a defender) on the goal line. You may think it's not intentional, I think it was sort of intentional, because he clearly tried to block the ball, but was unlucky to have the ball hit his arm. But because the arm seems to reach for the ball to me, I think the referee is correct.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
well of course he tried to block the ball, but his intention was to use his chest not his arm, that is for all to see. he retracts his arm, but really, how is he able to completely remove it when the ball is coming at him that fast? how on earth can you say his arm is reaching for the ball its not!
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98
He jumps towards the ball. Had he not done so, the ball would've gone in. Simple as that. That's why I think it's a deliberate handball: he's moving his body, and therefore his arms, towards the ball. As for removing your arms there, like I said, don't jump towards it, and you won't hit it.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
but what is he meant to do? just stand out of the way and let the ball go in the net? its clear his intention was to chest it. it was unlucky to hit his arm, and penalty is the correct and fair decision, but not a red card. the ball smacks his arm and the recoil makes it look like his arm has been completely extended, but it hasn't. he has moved his arm back, and as i say its completely unfortunate.
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98
If you agree it's a penalty, then you should agree it's a red card too, because he denied Ghana a goal with a handball, and that means a red card is justified. It is unfortunate indeed, but then you also say the Laws of the Game are unfortunate, and for this instance, that's certainly the case. It's harsh, but we could also call it the bitter truth. The red card is correct.
Paulnl1 1 year ago
well we can agree to disagree, but for me it has to be assessed whether the handball was deliberate or not. otherwise to avoid stopping the ball with your hand, you should just chop your arm off
warpfield98 1 year ago
@warpfield98 that is the only bone of contention. Under the guidelines it was clearly deliberate. This is not a psycholgical examination of the player but a look at body motions that may or may not have had to occur. As refs you look at "making the body bigger" unnatural hand position and tensing of the arm. It is not everyday definition of deliberate. When I train refs this is how I explain it. If I throw you something and you catch it even if by reflex, you aren't accidentally catching it :-)
wardos69 1 year ago
no, we cant
lets stop this: i have a right to an opinion bs
it doesnt matter, because your opinion is wrong
under the rules, the referee made the right decision
its the rules that need changing, not the referee that was wrong
bobbybushae339 1 year ago
i don't know what this 'we' business is, i wasn't even talking too you. and i haven't been voicing any rights to opinions, you brought that up. but in any case, i do have the right to my opinion, so deal with it.
warpfield98 1 year ago