How to... Fly a DME arc (part1)

[jchang133]

Since when did the747-200 have a FMC

[marko071988]

@jchang133 I couldn't say since when, but most 747-200 cockpits were upgraded with an FMC when the INS systems were out dated.

[jchang133]

@marko071988 ah. now I get it! Thanks

[jchang133]

Since when did the 747

[janujan995]

@marko071988

Did you use autopilot? If you did, where was the bank knob?

[Seal552]

how do you get that detailed approach map.

[natofsx8]

@Seal552 for Usa,you can try airnav (Dot) com

[Seal552]

@natofsx8 thanks for the help.

[deadman084]

thnx for vıdeo...when sholud we turn 90 degrees?when reach 14nm or before to reach it like 14.6 14.4 or 14.2 how could we calculate it?

[lukewoods1998ish]

@deadman084 2.5nm before you hit 14.0nm dme

[MegaAmarchana123]

whats the diffrence between an NDB and a DME  and can u please explain them to me and tell me how to use it?????

[marko071988]

@MegaAmarchana123 They are two very difference things. An NDB is a non directional beacon, so it's a beacon as the name suggests it, which basically tells the plane how to get to it. A DME is a distance measurement equipment, it tells the plane how far you are from it. Watch my vids on NDB and VOR approaches, you'll get a better idea of what it all is!

[helicoptergreekgeek]

Hi, very helpfull video! May I ask what plane are you using?

[theandpilot]

Nice!

[budraymond2000]

RMI is not required equipment.

[mmichaeldonavon]

Nice video! Never have flown an Instrument approach, (strictly a VFR driver) but did "maintain" all of the equipmemt that was shown. I noticed that the N1 and N2 indicators were not "next to each other" - a little odd. (separated by the EGT gage). However, love those vertical tape indicators! Thanks, N-6395T

[22640cal]

.5 mile from the arc, turn 90 degree in the direction of the arc... turn ten twist ten amen.... that is scripture!

[comtefernandes]

I thought you would activate the ILS approach after exit the DME arc. But you didn't, hehehe, so I thought you land by hand and you stayed switching the headings. I think this was the worst way to make the final approach, but you were the pilot in command, so... Nice videos, keep them coming!

[boeing747sp86]

awesome

[cst1908]

lol don't use Autopilot dude you could miss it if you fly by hand the chance of sucessfully is more that using autopilot

[jettechpilot]

Way to let the autopilot do the work for you.

[seanh00700]

to fly a DME Arc you don't turn the heading bug one degree at a time !!

What if you are not on autopilot ? To fly a DME Arc, and to stay on it, you "cut" each radial at 90 degrees, autopilot or not...

Maybe you should try flying by hand... autopilots are for the weak,,,

[marko071988]

@seanh00700 I'm just an enthusiast having fun, never claimed to be a pro! But I don't really see what you mean. Turning the heading knob degree by degree staying at the same distance turning around the VOR/DME is exaclty cutting each radial at 90°... And yeah the autopilot was just easier to use while recording the tutorial!

[landmark425]

@seanh00700 the best method is "turn ten, twist ten" look it up.

[RandySRT]

you dont NEED an RMI to do a dme arc, that is the easier (and preferred) method. What about the good old fashioned turn 10, twist 10?

[marko071988]

@RandySRT What's that?

[nighthawk808]

@marko071988 Randy's right. The only DME arc I've ever flown (no one ever does these IRL) was in an aircraft that didn't even have an RMI.

Turn 10, Twist 10 is how you actually fly one. Quoting from Ch. 7 of the FAA's Instrument Flying Handbook: "Turn toward the facility to place the bearing pointer 5°-10°ahead of the wingtip reference, then maintain heading until the bearing pointer is again behind the wingtip. Continue this procedure to maintain the approximate arc."

Good job, though!

[vamp366]

@nighthawk808 But you need at least a RBI to do a perfect arc or you will be "stitching the arc" which is not desirable also. In commercial aviation they'd warn you for not doing things precisely as you get a lot of fines nowadays on very busy airports for not doing things exactly. Still it's a way of doing it not so precisely ;)

Very good work mark! Keep posting

[nighthawk808]

@vamp366 As I pointed out in my previous comment, the correct way to fly an arc is in Chapter 7 of the FAA's Instrument Flying Handbook. It's free to download from their website, and the procedure is on page 7-19. In real life, you'd never fly a DME arc in the first place. I've flown exactly one in my entire life, and that was for my CFII checkride. DME arcs are for when you're not getting vectors, which means you'll almost never come across one since radar is almost everywhere these days.

[fryanventu]

Good video, and quite professional. May I suggest you to put the gear down a bit earlier? Anyway good approach!!

[Flyglobespan93]

Looks awesome, But instead of using heading when you were aligned with the runway why didn't you just dial in the ILS frequency and switch to app?

[studio5400]

Nice vid!THX!

[whammo11224]

Where did you get this panel? Very nice video BTW!

[Bridxb]

thanks good info, I'm trying 4 dme arc departures out VNKT it's easy to get behind the plane very quickly

[shocko69]

Nice approach.

[wassim737]

hey i'm a newly CPL/IFR/ME pilot and I really appreciate your videos, really helpful!

[marko071988]

@wassim737 Well I have none of those but I'm glad I could help you ;)

[wassim737]

@marko071988 do you plan to take flying course and make it a career? with the knowledge you already have, training will look very easy to you!

[evald80]

cool video

[fsC130J]

sounds like a fun approach!

[marko071988]

@fsC130J Yeah, it really is!

[JoblessDerrick]

Oooh so you'll try to hop on on of those G1000 equipped 172's ;D

You WILL have lots of fun on the glass flight deck because it just sooo much fun!!

Like on the 172...the whole airplane feels different...even you will feel like Oh my gosh

this is IT!!! You'll have your PFD telling you everything you need to know

and you could even turn the MFD into a PFD if your flying from the right seat.

Also the checklist is a bit different than the standard 172's checks. Do 2 things: be safe and have fun:-)

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick Yeah sounds really exciting!! I'll try to make the best out of the experience remaining safe of course ;)

[JoblessDerrick]

That's correct how do you know?

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick It says it on your channel ;). Pretty impressive all you've done! In two weeks I'll be going to Stanford for a summer school so I hope I'll be able to fly at the Stanford flying club, they have brand new cessnas 172 with the G1000 too, I've never flown a glass cockpit before!!

[JoblessDerrick]

A lot of reading indeed;) Jeppesen books? I like those...

I did my PPL here in surinam...i got my Instrument rating, Multi engine

and Commercial back in Florida At Epic Aviation (@KEVB)

It's a very cool school they fly 172's (G1000) and PA-44's.

I'm going back for a Instructors rating because i like teaching...i think so;D

You could easily finish flight training over there...took me less than 7 months

and that's on average. Some cat's do it quicker!!!

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick And you are just 20...?

[JoblessDerrick]

Yeah seems like you did some serous instrument flying homework:D

I done finished my training in Florida, and i'll start flying here in Suriname where i'm from. We fly C206..C208..Twotters nothing big:)

Anyway Keep up the good work!!

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick Hi! Yeah I did a lot of reading to understand all of this, although once you understand it, it's really easy. You mean you kow have your PPL?

[JoblessDerrick]

So are you a pilot? and if so, where did you study/fly

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick No no, I'm not a pilot', just an enthusiast!

[blkbltkyle]

very nice

[JoblessDerrick]

the landing was pretty damn good buddy!!

[marko071988]

@JoblessDerrick Thanks!!

[marko071988]

@Appleshaz You know that when the VOR needle starts moving.

[alexfair8589]

Good stuff mate. Keep it up!

[marko071988]

Thanks!!

[DelfinoDelphis]

Very nice. I made something similar in my language, but yours video seems even better.

[marko071988]

ahah, thanks!

[captDDay]

Nice video... why dont you keep correcting the turn every 10 degrees instead of continuously fidgeting with it? In windy conditions it'd be really difficult to keep chasing the needle.

[marko071988]

I think what you should do is correct the deviation when it's too important. There's no use to constantly be moving the knob... I guess...

[cashmab]

RMI is not required equipment to fly a DME arc.

[marko071988]

Yeah but it really helps to have one...

[zfreak90]

nice vdieo! does yours have FMC? in my CLS 747 version is only a gps...

thx

[marko071988]

There is a version with an FMC but it only has limited functionalities, so it's worthless. 747-200s only have INs systems, only the newer 747s (400s) have FMCs.

[theendcredits]

greased... :)  nicely done! not only on the arc but the tutorial and the approach!

[marko071988]

Thanks a lot!!

[pilotdrummer95]

You have a very good knowledge of aeroplanes and systems and so on. I'd be happy if you were flying me to my holiday destination! :)

[marko071988]

Lol, I'd be happy to fly you around too lol. Just get me a license for any airline and off we go!

[tround88]

what plane is this? and is it freeware?

[marko071988]

It's the CLS747-200, it's payware. But there's a freeware one, the Ready for Pushback 747 200, not as nice looking but more professional. Thanks for the comment and for subscribing!

[WeggerQF]

Thanks

[MASfleet]

love ur vid... learned alot from it :D

[marko071988]

Happy it could help!