averageworkinggal - Georgia would not have attacked Ossetia and Abhazia ,, ASSHOLE ,,, without USA approval ,, CRoatia did the same thing together with USA expelled 350.000 Serbs from Croatia ... FUCK OFF ... ATTACK once more ,,, and GEORGIA will be screwed again ,.,.
Capitalism is consistent with the natural rights of man - that an individual is free to pursue his god-given purpose of the pursuit of life, liberty and property.
Everyone is created equal with that right.
How one executes on that right is determined by the individuals abilities and effort.
The role of government is to ensure fair play, not decide the fate of individuals and not to dictate equal outcomes.
--- USA backed Georgia attacked Ossetia and Abhazia in order to gain this theritory ,USA trained and armed , What happened next is history ,,,
averageworkinggal -- WHat socialism has with this meeting ,, Capitalism does not deprive individual of his liberty as long as he pays his dues ,,, if an individual stops paying money to the goverment , freedom stops there ...
Georgia was warned by the US to not respond to the provocations from the Ossetian shelling of Georgian villages and the Ossetian ethnic cleansing attacks, but they acted anyway on their own accord.
You're clueless about capitalism.
All governments tax.
They have no money unless they tax.
In a free society, the nature and amount of taxation is determined by constitutional authority and the elected representatives of the people.
Your facile insults and racism really made me think twice about responding...
I was asking you to imagine if Russia didn't recognize Crna Gora as independent, if Moscow had objected, like in the Domovinski rat for Hrvatska's independence (Правда" 17.6.1991 г).
Who gets to say which small bit of land belongs to whom? Washington? Moscow? No, I don't think that's good.
The People? Well, the people in Pristina voted to be free. Not good enough? Why? Because THEY aren't slav?
That is what I was thinking before, until I taste your 'freedom' in US... As matter of a fact the capitalism is the most smart of way how to enslave people
Guess they'll ask us to drive them out of that crisis and then will return to their usual attitude - ignoring everyone and trying to conquer the world... He-he...
Canada and Germany recognize Kosovo as independent, so does the majority of Europe. No one recognizes Abkazija and Juznaja Osetija except for imperialists in Russia and the dictatorship in Nicaragua.
But you are not interested in facts, because in fact Kosovo is more recognized. You are only interested in a disgusting Slavic nationalism. That is obvious to everyone.
What if Russia didn't recognize Crna Gora, what would your stupid mind think of that?
Crna gora is regognized by serbia... LOL... I am sorry but if you are proud that you supported albanian terrorists and al qaida mujahedeen genocide on Kosovo by giving albanian mob their own state, that is your problem and problem of slave goverments...
the russian media never demonized the US, even in a soviet period, but the american media constantly demonize russia, americans are demonize the russian policy and russian nation
really? any article I read in the Newsweek, Economist or Foreign Affairs (I read it regularly) that refers to Russia is anti-Russian in sense. Try to prove otherwise, I'd appreciate it. Use CNN or any other TV channel foreign news coverage as well. I can help you to provide biased language content analysis if you wish.
I'm talking about the editions that specialize on covering the international issues. I can also bring many examples from the pro-democrat Washington Post, and other yankee-papers.
Russia is a free multinational country, and in domestic papers we use a liberal approach considering the interests of all ethnic minorities and avoiding tensions. USA has no experience in this sphere (genocide of natives, racial discrimination till 70s, lots of illegal latinos). thou art not free. lol
Europe's policy in Kosovo was its recognition after UN governance after 9 years. Russia's policy in "Abkazija" and "Juzhnaja Ossetija" was attacking Georgia and annexing it. Who's behaving badly here, you filthy racist idiot?
on the right speaker, getting more delayed as it goes thru. them ruskies gotta sort out their video encoding issue. sheezus for the nation with the best rocket scientists their new media skills are shite.
this is a joke. she's there to beg russia to help with the economic crises, not for anything else. without russia, china and indias joint help we are headed for a new dark age.
Guess you're right and there would be no alliance, at least for now, but still - there are only three ways. To fight, to ignore each other and to cooperate. And both countries will benefit from cooperation.
NO MORE PUT IT ON MY credit card those day's are over NO more zero down NO money no buying power the USA is made up of FREE credit but the world is not going to put up with it any more the USA is in so much debt that it will Collapse in two more year's since it as no more PONZI SCHEME CALL SUBPRIME SCHEME BUT THE OTHER BIGGEST SCHEME MADE UP BY USA IS CALL FAKE Democracy No more super Power OR FREE MONEY NO MORE BIG GDP!! USA is so full of double standard
You definetely didn't learn history at school, did you? Small tribes united to small countries, small countries united to big countries, even your own separated states united to a bigger thing, so guess what'll be next?
And there are two ways to do that - peaceful unification, as EU apeared, and conquer and military invasion, as Roman Empire (lol, hope you know what's that :D )
So despite you don't know anything about the world - you cannot stop it... And we both know it :D
xDrunkDevilx: "even your own separated states" lol I knew you're going to say that :))
Балбес. Я русский, живу в Москве) И ты не уловил мою мысль совсем. Я сказал что объединению Штатов с Россией не бывать, потому что для них мы всегда будем помехой, и врагами. И это не менялось десятилетиями.
Так пусть теперь мы будем им не врагами, но конкурентами. До альянса пока далеко, но перейти к взаимоотношениям (хоть каким) после всей этой анти-российской пропаганды и откровенного игнорирования нашего мнения уже большой шаг вперёд.
"Мира во всём мире" не будет пока у человеков не появится внешней угрозы. А пендосам не с руки воевать с Россией, они предпочитают куда более мелких врагов, будь то Вьетнам, Ирак или Афган.
Гыы.. Во вьетнаме из вздрочили по полной.. сейчас дрочат их в Ираке, а в Афгане вообще ппц. Забыл как нас там поимели в свое время прилично. Если у штатов нету внешней угрозы и не с кем воевать - они найдут и причину и угрозу и начнут войну. Они на этом зарабатывают.
Вот видишь=) Их дрючат и во Вьетнаме, и в Ираке, и в Афгане... А ведь по сравнению с США - у этих стран почитай и нет ни армии ни ресурсов, а что будет если пендосы попробуют воевать с РАВНЫМ противником? Хе-хе, потому они и не спешат, маленьких бы бить научиться...
А кроме того, если брать в расчет что USA + UK + EU строят NWO в котором для России места не отведено, неужели ты считаешь что они вот ща бросят эту затею и начнут с нами дружить? ))) Oh please...:)
Скорее попробуют всем скопом захватить всё к западу от урала, а китайци - всё восточней... И остаётся лишь надеяться, что мы будем готовы к этой войне.
Ну, Путин как-то сказал, что "нам плевать кто на нас нападет, отвечать будем по США" ) ВВП знает откуда дует ветер, и в США знают что мы знаем. Но все друг другу врут не краснея, кивают, и пожимают руки :-))
Они знают что мы знаем, потому не спешат. Кстати, во всей этой заварушке пендосы как раз меньшее зло. По статистике их армия разбегается при потерях личного состава уже чуть больше 5% (что не так давно ещё раз доказали грузины).
Погляди на тот же Ирак. Подумай, почему пендосы до последнего всё отправляли туда десятки тысяч солдат? Хотя столько солдат ни террористы ни местные войска не могли собрать физически? Чтобы процент убитых был ниже красной метки и солдаты продолжали воевать.
Но это не говорит о "По статистике их армия разбегается при потерях личного состава уже чуть больше 5%".. вот я и говорю, что у тебя какая-то неправильная статистика.
Ладно, можешь продолжать и дальше строить какие-то иллюзии. Но нельзя недооценивать противника, особенно такого крупного и помешаного на войне как США. Это по-крайней мере глупо. Ты не находишь?
"It about having a world focused on capitalism, trade, wealth creation" - you mean having the world focusing on US way of life so it'll be easier to understand and control. Let's point dots over i's - US never lost a chance to increase it's influence in the Europe, western Asia, Africa, everywhere. So what? Isn't that @Taking over the world"? Iraq, Iran, Serbia, Afgan - all are used to increase US military presence in region, and military IS influence.
And the US economy is declining less than Russia's economy, Japan's economy, etc. and the rest of the world.
The financial crisis does not prove that socialism works.
Socialism long ago proved that it does not work.
All the financial crisis proved is that complacency about financial risk management is dangerous and that risk is too easily forgotten when long periods of financial stability and growth occur.
I never stated it's the last, but not the bes as it appeals mostly to greed and denies traditional culture and values contradicting to primitive consumerism
Capitalism has one big "minus" in all the way of life it suggests... The main idea is that all you do must bring you profit. It means no one would pay for researches that won't give fast and fruitful results, such as AIDS study (yep, the do give some money to scientists, but it's still not enough, otherwise the problem would be solved long ago) There are lots of projects that would be very helpful to simple peopole, but wich won't produce money - and thus won't be developed in capitalism. Sad.
That's not true at all! Pharmaceutical companies invest millions and millions of dollars in research for these diseases in anticipation of the profit they will make once they develop "cures."
That's why we see such "cures" coming from pharmaceutical companies in capitalist societies, not places like Cuba or China. Capitalism provides the kind of incentive for students to get through intensive degree programs like Medical School and Chemical Engineering that they wouldn't necessarily go through if all they had to look forward to was the kind of money doctors and biomedical engineers make in Cuba...
Cuba, with all respect, has not enough developed industry to provide hi-tech research. China is oriented on mass-production, not single researches.
Btw, despite of all the millions of dollars capitalistic companies are providing to researches - no cure for AIDS is yet found. Maybe that's becouse of not enough lvl of education behind beautiful names of Schools, Academies and Universities of all kinds?
That's my point. Why doesn't Cuba have the industrial capabilities of capitalist nations? China may be "oriented on mass-production", but that leads to exactly what we're seeing: no major breakthroughs in the pharmaceutical industry from their country. Why is this the case? Because they lack the capitalistic incentive to produce the kinds of results we see from pharmaceutical companies coming out of capitalist societies.
I know there's no "cure" for AIDS yet, but these companies make millions of dollars selling AIDS treatments (because drugs do exist to treat the symptoms of AIDS, if not the cause)
You said it yourself - "these companies make millions of dollars selling AIDS treatments", thus they have more interest in developing treatments instead of cure. Capitalistic way of life, so guess we'll not see any breakthroughs, that will leave big companies with no profit...
They have the incentive to find a cure before other pharmaceutical companies do (competition is an important component of a truly free market) because of the money they would make selling the cure... and you can't act like that was your original argument all along when you originally said that they have no incentive at all to develop these kinds of drugs!!
Competition? Yes. But to achieve great profit from selling the cure they need what? Yes, maxxed amount of infected. So they'll wait even if they already found the cure. More than that - due to free market anti-monopoly policy - they'll not be able to be the only sellers of the cure... So they'll have to wait again.
Whatever... Capitalism is not perfect and now the crisis prooves it.
Lavrov I curse you and everyone who likes you. Ask RTV what my curse does -really.
Hereiswhat 2 years ago
Fascist Bitch!
FaaarLeft 2 years ago
averageworkinggal - Georgia would not have attacked Ossetia and Abhazia ,, ASSHOLE ,,, without USA approval ,, CRoatia did the same thing together with USA expelled 350.000 Serbs from Croatia ... FUCK OFF ... ATTACK once more ,,, and GEORGIA will be screwed again ,.,.
aviomaster 2 years ago
Capitalism is consistent with the natural rights of man - that an individual is free to pursue his god-given purpose of the pursuit of life, liberty and property.
Everyone is created equal with that right.
How one executes on that right is determined by the individuals abilities and effort.
The role of government is to ensure fair play, not decide the fate of individuals and not to dictate equal outcomes.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
--- USA backed Georgia attacked Ossetia and Abhazia in order to gain this theritory ,USA trained and armed , What happened next is history ,,,
averageworkinggal -- WHat socialism has with this meeting ,, Capitalism does not deprive individual of his liberty as long as he pays his dues ,,, if an individual stops paying money to the goverment , freedom stops there ...
aviomaster 2 years ago
You're an idiot crackpot.
Georgia was warned by the US to not respond to the provocations from the Ossetian shelling of Georgian villages and the Ossetian ethnic cleansing attacks, but they acted anyway on their own accord.
You're clueless about capitalism.
All governments tax.
They have no money unless they tax.
In a free society, the nature and amount of taxation is determined by constitutional authority and the elected representatives of the people.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
Your facile insults and racism really made me think twice about responding...
I was asking you to imagine if Russia didn't recognize Crna Gora as independent, if Moscow had objected, like in the Domovinski rat for Hrvatska's independence (Правда" 17.6.1991 г).
Who gets to say which small bit of land belongs to whom? Washington? Moscow? No, I don't think that's good.
The People? Well, the people in Pristina voted to be free. Not good enough? Why? Because THEY aren't slav?
MEpianist 2 years ago
против США в России ни кто не выступает, но есть и другие варианты сосуществования более приемлемые и отвечающие интересам мира.
Altxandr 2 years ago
А на расиянском этого видео нет?
Emalker2k 2 years ago
Capitalism does not deprive the individual of his liberty.
Socialism does.
Socialism also deprives the individual of his life in many cases because socialism comes with a police state in most cases.
Socialism has always been the road to serfdom.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
You are wrong, idiot)
That is what I was thinking before, until I taste your 'freedom' in US... As matter of a fact the capitalism is the most smart of way how to enslave people
Rad04mf 2 years ago
What keeps you in the US then?
Leave.
Youtube is infested with crackpots and you are clearly one of them.
Capitalism does not prevent you from leaving the US and living in Cuba, for instance, or North Korea.
There aren't that many places that are non-capitalist.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago 2
Хиллэри вероятно пробовала объявить Medvedev российским путем, но провалила это.
Это - только МЕD VUH DEV на английском языке.
Это - вероятно MEED VYED DEV на русском языке.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
Don't ask how I understood that you used automatic translator)))
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Почему Medvedev настолько трудно для Клинтон для того чтобы произнести?
Nickalispicalis 2 years ago
Guess they'll ask us to drive them out of that crisis and then will return to their usual attitude - ignoring everyone and trying to conquer the world... He-he...
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Canada and Germany recognize Kosovo as independent, so does the majority of Europe. No one recognizes Abkazija and Juznaja Osetija except for imperialists in Russia and the dictatorship in Nicaragua.
But you are not interested in facts, because in fact Kosovo is more recognized. You are only interested in a disgusting Slavic nationalism. That is obvious to everyone.
What if Russia didn't recognize Crna Gora, what would your stupid mind think of that?
MEpianist 2 years ago
Crna gora is regognized by serbia... LOL... I am sorry but if you are proud that you supported albanian terrorists and al qaida mujahedeen genocide on Kosovo by giving albanian mob their own state, that is your problem and problem of slave goverments...
AlmightyZEDANIUM 2 years ago 2
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lavrov is ugly, like all russian politicians icluding monster lookalike Putin, Zhirinovski and other gremlins
tomreves28 2 years ago
putin is not ugly
tiove 2 years ago 6
Laging at her own ability to not pronaunce Medvedev`s Name corektly ... only fly`s in the west .
HK379 2 years ago
Hopefully, this Obama's administration will be willing to cooperate with Russia as with an equal partner.
Rad04mf 2 years ago 4
Looks like Hillary is becoming a more effective diplomat. She willing to work with Russia yet not abandon principles, that's effective diplomacy.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
And yet only two countries have recognised Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
abarzilai664 2 years ago
OK, the kremlin-controlled russian media is going to have to stop with the anti-american internal propaganda now.
It's time to stop the brainwashing.
It's time to find another scapegoat to demonize.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
the russian media never demonized the US, even in a soviet period, but the american media constantly demonize russia, americans are demonize the russian policy and russian nation
pianov83 2 years ago 6
Russian langauge television news is posted on various youtube channels, so it's obvious when viewing it that alot of it is deliberately anti-american.
Also, Russia Today does its fair sharing on negative reporting about America.
They interview plenty of American crackpots like Alex Jones or Paul Craig Roberts, for instance, to present a distorted view of America.
You don't see anything to that extent about Russia in the US media.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
really? any article I read in the Newsweek, Economist or Foreign Affairs (I read it regularly) that refers to Russia is anti-Russian in sense. Try to prove otherwise, I'd appreciate it. Use CNN or any other TV channel foreign news coverage as well. I can help you to provide biased language content analysis if you wish.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
The Economist is British not American.
Newsweek is a leftist periodical now and is more opinion than news.
It's circulation is dying because it presents the leftist viewpoint.
Foreign Affairs is mostly op-ed articles from various writers of both left and right political opinion.
The Carnegie Endowment - Moscow Center appears to have the most informed view on Russia.
You should read that.
We have access to all news and information from all perspectives in the US.
It's a free country.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
I'm talking about the editions that specialize on covering the international issues. I can also bring many examples from the pro-democrat Washington Post, and other yankee-papers.
Russia is a free multinational country, and in domestic papers we use a liberal approach considering the interests of all ethnic minorities and avoiding tensions. USA has no experience in this sphere (genocide of natives, racial discrimination till 70s, lots of illegal latinos). thou art not free. lol
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago 2
me-ma-medevev
lawd...
alphaknave 2 years ago 4
put the paper work up and cut the gum flapping , like all treaties the Us is at trustable as a bitch on heat ,
OrphanPaper 2 years ago
Europe's policy in Kosovo was its recognition after UN governance after 9 years. Russia's policy in "Abkazija" and "Juzhnaja Ossetija" was attacking Georgia and annexing it. Who's behaving badly here, you filthy racist idiot?
MEpianist 2 years ago
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Obama is not the decision maker, we can see now who's who. I like her agresivness, Lavrov is a dickhead!
visbygp 2 years ago
where is the Fucking sound!!
tdoto123456 2 years ago
on the right speaker, getting more delayed as it goes thru. them ruskies gotta sort out their video encoding issue. sheezus for the nation with the best rocket scientists their new media skills are shite.
danmanjones 2 years ago
this is a joke. she's there to beg russia to help with the economic crises, not for anything else. without russia, china and indias joint help we are headed for a new dark age.
killdasheleven 2 years ago
I was being sarcastic it would be a good alliance but there are too many difference mainly politics.
ComradeWeilda 2 years ago
Guess you're right and there would be no alliance, at least for now, but still - there are only three ways. To fight, to ignore each other and to cooperate. And both countries will benefit from cooperation.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
"""Or just Russia? """
Russia don`t want to "take over the world"
We want just Freedom, Justice, Equality and fair Partnership for all.
MarshallJukov 2 years ago 13
NO MORE PUT IT ON MY credit card those day's are over NO more zero down NO money no buying power the USA is made up of FREE credit but the world is not going to put up with it any more the USA is in so much debt that it will Collapse in two more year's since it as no more PONZI SCHEME CALL SUBPRIME SCHEME BUT THE OTHER BIGGEST SCHEME MADE UP BY USA IS CALL FAKE Democracy No more super Power OR FREE MONEY NO MORE BIG GDP!! USA is so full of double standard
LILUCKSMO80 2 years ago
Russia + U.S take over world!
Or just Russia?
ComradeWeilda 2 years ago 2
Russia + U.S would be unstoppable and respected alliance!
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
xDrunkDevilx: "Russia + U.S would be unstoppable and respected alliance!"
That will never gonna happen, and we all know it.
pmf026 2 years ago
Unification of humanity is the next step in evolution and I prefer if it'll be done peacefully. But someone still wanna kill everyone...
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
What are you talking about? Sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me.
pmf026 2 years ago
You definetely didn't learn history at school, did you? Small tribes united to small countries, small countries united to big countries, even your own separated states united to a bigger thing, so guess what'll be next?
And there are two ways to do that - peaceful unification, as EU apeared, and conquer and military invasion, as Roman Empire (lol, hope you know what's that :D )
So despite you don't know anything about the world - you cannot stop it... And we both know it :D
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
EU is organization which share american slave... I also learned that USA support separatism not unity...
AlmightyZEDANIUM 2 years ago 4
xDrunkDevilx: "even your own separated states" lol I knew you're going to say that :))
Балбес. Я русский, живу в Москве) И ты не уловил мою мысль совсем. Я сказал что объединению Штатов с Россией не бывать, потому что для них мы всегда будем помехой, и врагами. И это не менялось десятилетиями.
pmf026 2 years ago
Так пусть теперь мы будем им не врагами, но конкурентами. До альянса пока далеко, но перейти к взаимоотношениям (хоть каким) после всей этой анти-российской пропаганды и откровенного игнорирования нашего мнения уже большой шаг вперёд.
ЗЫ И тебе привет из Москвы;)
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
А ну да ну да...мир во всем мире.. не будет этого никогда. Снимай розовые очки и добро пожаловать в реальный мир.
pmf026 2 years ago
"Мира во всём мире" не будет пока у человеков не появится внешней угрозы. А пендосам не с руки воевать с Россией, они предпочитают куда более мелких врагов, будь то Вьетнам, Ирак или Афган.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Гыы.. Во вьетнаме из вздрочили по полной.. сейчас дрочат их в Ираке, а в Афгане вообще ппц. Забыл как нас там поимели в свое время прилично. Если у штатов нету внешней угрозы и не с кем воевать - они найдут и причину и угрозу и начнут войну. Они на этом зарабатывают.
pmf026 2 years ago
Вот видишь=) Их дрючат и во Вьетнаме, и в Ираке, и в Афгане... А ведь по сравнению с США - у этих стран почитай и нет ни армии ни ресурсов, а что будет если пендосы попробуют воевать с РАВНЫМ противником? Хе-хе, потому они и не спешат, маленьких бы бить научиться...
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
А кроме того, если брать в расчет что USA + UK + EU строят NWO в котором для России места не отведено, неужели ты считаешь что они вот ща бросят эту затею и начнут с нами дружить? ))) Oh please...:)
pmf026 2 years ago
Скорее попробуют всем скопом захватить всё к западу от урала, а китайци - всё восточней... И остаётся лишь надеяться, что мы будем готовы к этой войне.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Ну, Путин как-то сказал, что "нам плевать кто на нас нападет, отвечать будем по США" ) ВВП знает откуда дует ветер, и в США знают что мы знаем. Но все друг другу врут не краснея, кивают, и пожимают руки :-))
pmf026 2 years ago 4
Они знают что мы знаем, потому не спешат. Кстати, во всей этой заварушке пендосы как раз меньшее зло. По статистике их армия разбегается при потерях личного состава уже чуть больше 5% (что не так давно ещё раз доказали грузины).
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
У тебя какая-то неправильная статистика.
pmf026 2 years ago
Погляди на тот же Ирак. Подумай, почему пендосы до последнего всё отправляли туда десятки тысяч солдат? Хотя столько солдат ни террористы ни местные войска не могли собрать физически? Чтобы процент убитых был ниже красной метки и солдаты продолжали воевать.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Но это не говорит о "По статистике их армия разбегается при потерях личного состава уже чуть больше 5%".. вот я и говорю, что у тебя какая-то неправильная статистика.
pmf026 2 years ago
Не хочешь - не верь, но как ни крути, в их гейской армии мораль куда хуже нашей (ДАЖЕ нашей), а уж если сравнивать с китайцами - то ваще абзац...
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
Ладно, можешь продолжать и дальше строить какие-то иллюзии. Но нельзя недооценивать противника, особенно такого крупного и помешаного на войне как США. Это по-крайней мере глупо. Ты не находишь?
pmf026 2 years ago
Ну, учитывая что у нас тоже нет нормальной армии то шансы примерно 50/50, так что тут только здравая оценка.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
восточнее от Урала я живу.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
are you dreaming ! or you don't know nothing about past and world !
artin74 2 years ago
It's not about 'taking over the world'.
It about having a world focused on capitalism, trade, wealth creation and free societies and not on 'spheres of influence' or other nonsense.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
"It about having a world focused on capitalism, trade, wealth creation" - you mean having the world focusing on US way of life so it'll be easier to understand and control. Let's point dots over i's - US never lost a chance to increase it's influence in the Europe, western Asia, Africa, everywhere. So what? Isn't that @Taking over the world"? Iraq, Iran, Serbia, Afgan - all are used to increase US military presence in region, and military IS influence.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
capitalism is evil. Socialism is our future.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago 2
Socialism is evil. Capitalism is our future.
There are countless examples in history that prove that.
India and China would not have had booming economies and rising standards of living without switching to capitalism.
The US has much greated economic growth than the Euro-socialist economies like France and Sweden.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
no, capitalism is evil.and socialism is our future, and the fin. crisis proves that, putting the western governments back on the socialist track.
The US HAD much greated economic growth. and still has the hugest debt and trade deficit and huge amount of overvaluated bucks.
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
And the US economy is declining less than Russia's economy, Japan's economy, etc. and the rest of the world.
The financial crisis does not prove that socialism works.
Socialism long ago proved that it does not work.
All the financial crisis proved is that complacency about financial risk management is dangerous and that risk is too easily forgotten when long periods of financial stability and growth occur.
averageworkinggal 2 years ago
I dunno what's our future, but capitalism is definetly NOT the last step in evolution.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
I never stated it's the last, but not the bes as it appeals mostly to greed and denies traditional culture and values contradicting to primitive consumerism
VictorWasechkin 2 years ago
Capitalism has one big "minus" in all the way of life it suggests... The main idea is that all you do must bring you profit. It means no one would pay for researches that won't give fast and fruitful results, such as AIDS study (yep, the do give some money to scientists, but it's still not enough, otherwise the problem would be solved long ago) There are lots of projects that would be very helpful to simple peopole, but wich won't produce money - and thus won't be developed in capitalism. Sad.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
That's not true at all! Pharmaceutical companies invest millions and millions of dollars in research for these diseases in anticipation of the profit they will make once they develop "cures."
vivphy 2 years ago
That's why we see such "cures" coming from pharmaceutical companies in capitalist societies, not places like Cuba or China. Capitalism provides the kind of incentive for students to get through intensive degree programs like Medical School and Chemical Engineering that they wouldn't necessarily go through if all they had to look forward to was the kind of money doctors and biomedical engineers make in Cuba...
vivphy 2 years ago
Cuba, with all respect, has not enough developed industry to provide hi-tech research. China is oriented on mass-production, not single researches.
Btw, despite of all the millions of dollars capitalistic companies are providing to researches - no cure for AIDS is yet found. Maybe that's becouse of not enough lvl of education behind beautiful names of Schools, Academies and Universities of all kinds?
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
That's my point. Why doesn't Cuba have the industrial capabilities of capitalist nations? China may be "oriented on mass-production", but that leads to exactly what we're seeing: no major breakthroughs in the pharmaceutical industry from their country. Why is this the case? Because they lack the capitalistic incentive to produce the kinds of results we see from pharmaceutical companies coming out of capitalist societies.
vivphy 2 years ago
I know there's no "cure" for AIDS yet, but these companies make millions of dollars selling AIDS treatments (because drugs do exist to treat the symptoms of AIDS, if not the cause)
vivphy 2 years ago
You said it yourself - "these companies make millions of dollars selling AIDS treatments", thus they have more interest in developing treatments instead of cure. Capitalistic way of life, so guess we'll not see any breakthroughs, that will leave big companies with no profit...
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago
They have the incentive to find a cure before other pharmaceutical companies do (competition is an important component of a truly free market) because of the money they would make selling the cure... and you can't act like that was your original argument all along when you originally said that they have no incentive at all to develop these kinds of drugs!!
vivphy 2 years ago
Competition? Yes. But to achieve great profit from selling the cure they need what? Yes, maxxed amount of infected. So they'll wait even if they already found the cure. More than that - due to free market anti-monopoly policy - they'll not be able to be the only sellers of the cure... So they'll have to wait again.
Whatever... Capitalism is not perfect and now the crisis prooves it.
xDrunkDevilx 2 years ago