electrical arc =/= plasma so that "glowing pixie" that you mentioned is an electrical arc not fire or plasma "consuming" you graphite electrodes. Until you have a mass spectrometer take a look at the gasses your producing your just as ignorant about what your doing as you claim I am.
@dugg117 You dont know what plasma is. It is the fourth state of matter. Plasma is generated when an electrical current is applied across a dielectric gas or fluid (an electrically non-conducting material). An electric arc is plasma & in this case distilled water is the dielectric.You have no idea. If the gas was just Hydrogen & Oxygen then the flame would flash back into the confined enclosure where it was generated & it would explode. Carbon has bonded with the free oxygen preventing this.
@ChrisPCrunchy I do know what plasma is a super excited state of mater that happens to be DENSE the super heated gas/liquid that gives off light as an electrical current ionizes it is NOT plasma. Also if the carbon was binding with the free oxygen you would have carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide nether of which burn so with this set up and following your logic the only thing you are burning is h2 and oxygen present in the air.
@ChrisPCrunchy Though double checked you are right it is "Plasma" But your chemistry is still wrong when carbon bonds with oxygen the resultant will not burn. But know your going to try and tell me that you have managed to also create "hydrocarbons" also pyrolysis requires ORGANIC compounds containing carbon because they have a relevantly "high" energy state, graphite is no such thing and is very stable or at a "low" energy state.
CO or carbon monoxide will oxidise (burn) to reach its stable state of CO2. Why pretend you know something about chemistry when clearly you don’t. Both Graphite & water H2O are in their stable or low energy state. That is why energy has to be provided to generate the plasma and supply the heat for the endothermic reaction that produces a combustible gas. I don’t know what you are trying to prove here. I am explaining that this gas is NOT the same as that produced by electrolysis as you asserted.
@ChrisPCrunchy John Hutchison made one that he showed to Paris Hilton. If your lucky the video is still online. Johns site has been severly compromised and many of the links are missing. John lives about 30 minutes away from me but I am currently out of the country at the moment doing some international trade. I don't have the time for this right now.
It takes X amount of energy at 25*C in a jar to dissociate a water molecule...but that's electrolysis. This fella is using PLASMA. Do you know how hot plasma is? Hot enough to break water up more easiliy. What happens when the gas forms, bubbles out of his jar, cools in the air, and gets re-burnt? -270 kJ/mol of energy at 25*C is what happens. There's no free energy, he's just more conveniently splitting water and re-burning it. What's the problem with that? Don't ignore thermo., use it!
i realty wish people would forget about the laws of physic and thermodynamatcs I think they were writen to keep people from making things that would put the power out.these laws have kept people from even trying and there not right!!!!!!!!
Free energy has been here all along ,But the coverup is very strong,Get a motor that works with the power of magnets only at LT-MAGNET-MOTORdotCOM ,Be the revolution!
This is no more plasma than that lighter or a match is. What you meant to title this video is "car hydrogen injection system" or "hydrogen combustion system"
@BigBananaMan The plasma is inside the injector unit (where you cant see it) What you do see is the gas produced and ignited as proof of flamability. This unit is meant to prove the voume of gas produced, the speed at which the gas is produced, the low power required, supplied by just one 12v battery. I dont think you understand what I am trying to do. This is only an early prototype.
Why did you need a lighter if this is plasma and not combustion of Hydrogen which it obviously is. You do realize that matches and lighters are just combustion too right?
ChrisPCrunchy this is amazing. Great work. I'm very interested in what you are doing. I think the plasma arc is the way to go not only for cars but other hydrogen applications as well. Its smaller and much more scalable. Great work.
Hello Chris, I would like to recreate this design. Can you advise on the best circuit to use and components. I am very excited about this technology, and the effort you have put into this is great encouragement.
Why explode anything when all you have to do is split O2 into OO and when it recombines you get more energy back than the energy it took to split it. and it will power an electric motor. "
What happened to the Law of Conservation of Energy?
Why explode anything when all you have to do is split O2 into OO and when it recombines you get more energy back than the energy it took to split it. and it will power an electric motor.
@omegafile You lose energy splitting H2O into HH + OO not gain it. This is not a perpetual motion machine. Its not even especially efficient, but thats not what its about. What it is about is using cheap or free materials that would normally go to land fill to generate a combustable gas to power an engine. You see there is free energy in just about everything that we throw out, so it is only free because it costs nothing to get the materials not because the energy comes from nowhere.
@ChrisPCrunchy Wanna bet? I'll bet you 1000 dollars. Go to my channel and watch the video By William Lyne called engineering. I already know how to make a free energy device with no moving parts and no combustion and it splits the air with plasma and when it recombines you get more energy when it recombines than the energy it took to split it. Look for all the other parts to the video to get the full story. I have a set of plans I designed myself years ago. You don't even need water..just air
@ChrisPCrunchy All it takes to do it is a high voltage capacitor, 3 quartz stones (one is a transducer) and a spark gap. It has to be magnetized with a neon sign transformer and tuned to the note of "a". The energy is not free .It comes from stars by resonance. You can do it with either hydrogen or Oxygen.. both are present in the air. Your spiting diatomic molecules into mono atomic molecules and when they recombine naturally you get more energy back than what you started with
@LordRulesOnEarth you need to read the book written by Willian Lyne called :\"Pentagon Aliens" In this book he explains how you get more energy back when monoatomic hydrogen recombines into diatomic hydrogen than the energy it took to split it. I have already seen the Tesla patent that proves that this concept is real. I have built a prototype based on this that works and teamed up with someone from a utility company to hook this thing up to the grid and sell the power from this device.
@omegafile Link to patent please. I am a great admirer or Nickola Tesla. I am especially interested in his concept of unlimited energy by resonating the schumann cavity which would prevent useless discharge of the ionosphere through lightning strike, This would allow that energy instead to be harnessed and drawn on at nearly any point on the earths surface on demand.
@ChrisPCrunchy you can't link here. I already told people where to look. In a search engine type in "Pentagon aliens" and you will find the whole book online at the scibd website. The picture of the patent is in the first chapter of the book. Tesla uses 2 coils and a spark gap to pull energy right out of the air. My device is very similar to his but I don't use coils, I use a transducer to hammer on a quartz crystal piezoeloectrically, 36,000 times a sec..you get much higher voltage.
@ChrisPCrunchy My concept is the same as Teslas..the energy is absorbed at the spark gap because it is spliting diatomic Oxygen in the air into mono atomic oxygen. When the monoatomic oxygen naturally recombines after being split it becomes diatomic oxygen again and the recombining of it creates more energy than the energy it took to split it, I use a capacitor to store the energy which then discharges at the spark gap again causing the whole process to repeat itself forever ABSORBING ENERGY
@omegafile Are you a troll? Because what you're trying to pitch is impossible. Not the kind of impossible where David conquers Goliath. I mean the kind of impossible where it violates the second law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or must completely rewrite thermodynamic theory. In addition, you're implying that something as simple and obvious as this has never come across any home scientist, energy company, entrepreneur, or DARPA?
@BigBananaMan I have a wooden box at home that i built and tuned to a 5/3 ratio. This makes the box tuned to the note of "a". All you have to do is turn on your stereo and hold the box in your hand and you can feel this box vibrating constantly. Now line the box with copper inside and out so that the inside is not connected to the outside and you have a self charging capacitor..Put a quartz stone inside tuned to the 5/3 ratio..it will vibrate and give off 12,500 volts per cubic centimeter.
@omegafile 12,500v yeah thats nice and all, but its fuck all if you cant produce any decent current from it! I can generate 10,000v by dragging my feet across the carpet but you dont see me powering my house from it!
@BigBananaMan You only have to displace a quartz crystal a billionth of an inch for it to release 12,500 volts per cubic centimeter. If you cut the crystal to a 5/3 ratio and put it in front of a speaker it will vibrate forever converting mechanical energy into electrical energy. You can eliminate the speaker by shorting out the capacitor with a transducer...when the capacotor is charged the transducer vibrates causing the quartz to vibrate releasing voltage to charge the capacitor.
@omegafile No way man. We finally completed our dark matter collector which will supplement the feeble output of the terawatt fusion plant. Now we have enough power for the quantum computer cluster our AI requested for mapping the wormholes.
@omegafile What you're suggesting violates the first law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or thermodynamic theory is wrong (get real). You cannot create energy, period. Show me in math where this "free" energy came from. You're also indirectly implying that you have stumbled across something that no home amateur scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, energy company, or DARPA have heard of (as obviously they would all be interested in this if it were true). I believe you are a troll
@BigBananaMan It doesn't violate the first law of thermodynamics. The energy is just there..we are swimming in it.. Your just harnessing what is already there. All matter is energy. The air..the rocks..every atom in the universe is energy. your picking up the energy by resonance by tuning in to a frequency and capturing that energy just like having 2 guitars in a room and hitting the string on one guitar and the string on the other guitar vibrates and you didn't even touch it.
@BigBananaMan put a 30 ft rod in the ground ..this is your negative and put a 30 ft rod in the air...this is your positive. I guarantee it will pick up energy....why you ask? because the rod has a wavelenth and and you are picking up this wave by resonance.... now take a 30 ft wire and wrap it in a coil and ground it....take another 30 ft wire and coil it..it's the same deal...the same wavelenth..works the same way. You can pull energy out of a stone if you know how to tune it with ratios.
@omegafile What you're suggesting violates the first law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or thermodynamic theory is wrong (get real). You cannot create energy, period. Show me in math where this "free" energy came from. You're also indirectly implying that you have stumbled across something that no home amateur scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, energy company, or DARPA have heard of (as obviously they would all be interested in this if it were true). I believe you are a troll
@LordRulesOnEarth I have a device the size of a football that will power a whole city. I'm building a second prototype in the new year that will be hooked up to the grid in a third world country. I decided to take it overseas because the people in the west are still living in the stone age,There are too many disinformation agents here that are ridiculing a concept that works. Rather than marketing the device I will sell the power it makes.to the utility, the profits are greater.
Nice if it can come to something in the long run. Are you giving this technology out for free, or are we all going to dig deep in our pockets to have this info in the public domain?
@fafadi13 Electrodes are consumable items, They are meant to errode to give the carbon component found in the gas. Carbon is extremely cheap or free, now I use waste products that cost money to dispose of to landfill, so in theory I could make a profit by making a free fuel gas to run my vehicles.
This is a far more important invention than that ex- n.a.s.a. scientist with his little $8,000 black energy box made of dirt. It could possibly bring about... dare I say, world peace? :)
Only a small handful of people that own just about everything we touch, see and hear. But for the rest of us, world peace would be ideal. Keep up the good work! It's fantastic and thank you for sharing. :)
This is awesome!! This is the most convincing water-engine video I have seen so far. And your response to comments has really helped explain how this works. More like a plasma gasifier than an electrolosis rig??
Yes I dont think that people realise just how little heat energy it takes to release the energy of common waste products and how easy it is to convert a normal car to run on the gas released. With the right pressures the exhaust heat from the car is enough to allow pyrolysis of finely cut waste products like saw dust. Whats your idea involve?
think of how "LITTLE" water it would take to run an ICE ??? 15 MPG use 107.2 0z.(1 gal)= 7.1oz/mile, 2000 rpm's 1000 pwr strokes /mile = 141 power strokes /oz/gas. water produces same BTU's with 1/3 the volume of liquid SO 423 pwr strokes /oz water . The process you have there is a start to the quest! think of 1oz. of water broken down into 423 parts and you start to see how little it takes to get this going
I dont think you understand the basic concept. Water(Steam)H2O is a component in the exhaust of an internal combustion engine.The only energy you get out of HHO,Hydroxy or what ever you choose the call it is the energy you put into the water through electrolysis. You cant start with water & end with water & still expect to release enough energy to do useful work. There is no way to use this set up to produce gas on demand to run an engine,but it can release energy using pyrolysis reactions.
Bravo. Is there a way to make the process quicker so that more burnable fuel is made more quickly? I don't doubt that you could easily transplant this into a car for a proof of concept. Congrats, keep at it.
Thanks for your interest and encouragement. I have moved on from this and I have developed an onboard gasification process that converts organic waste into a useable fuel gas that can run a small car. Still ironing out the bugs but it looks very promising.
That's exciting, how fast is the gasification process? I would hope that its not as slow as a wood gasifier. Also, how cleanly does this fuel burn? And what sort of by-products does the organic material leave behind?
Process is far faster than the old type gasification. Not instant but fast enough to be practical (1 minute or so depending waste material used a fuel source) Because of the rapid heat generated it can run on material not normally practical. All that is left is a small amount of pot ash (remaining after shut off) which is great for the garden. The size of the unit is far smaller than conventional gassifier & there is no need for the extensive filtration as there is no ash in the gas produced.
You obviously do not understand what I am trying to achieve.
There are many ways to release a hydrocarbon gas suitable to run a vehicle from waste products, solving two problems at once. While this experiment uses just carbon electrodes water and electricity it is just one step on that path.
Do you want to keep lining the pockets of wealthy Arabs so they can build ski fields in the desert while your economy goes broke. There is a difference between energy efficiency & economical you know.
It's hardly running a car on just water, seeing as the energy gained through oxidised hydrogen is equal to the energy needed to split the hydrogen and oxygen in the first place. Surely it would be far easier to just run the current through an electric motor to power the car instead?
You have no idea what is going on. It is NOT ELECTROYLIS. It consumes carbon/graphite electrodes (chemical energy) The new process consumes agricultural / domestic waste. I suggest you look up pyrolysis(or flash pyrolysis with more finely divided ag wast.) Fuel gas in this process over a certain temperatures depending on feedstocks(waste material used) Is further boosted by a steam reformation of hydrocarbons in the feedstocks.Exhaust heat can be recycled to boost steam reformation reactions.
Yes thats true, it uses 3 things water, graphite, electricity.The graphite came from old expired batteries (Free) the electricity solar (free) water , rain (free)
The final process uses free waste products, that would normally have cost money to dispose of. From a conservation of energy perspective there are NO free lunches, but from an economical point of view there is free energy and it is very possible to run your car,generator, house, heater for free. Therefore free energy does exist.
@mryellow123 just use carbon one of the most common elements that exists and one that is captured every day by vegitation. There is enough energy in the rubbish you throw out every day to run your vehicle. This system can release that energy to run a vehicle. Are you worried that we will run out of rubbish too?
@ChrisPCrunchy How much labour, cost and polution is generated when converting general household garbage into carbon in a form pure enough to use.If using biological methods how much oxygen is consumed? People tend to not look past things. Did you hear electric cars are "zero" emission? Sure everything needs fuel, this isn't a zero-point scam, I do wonder if this kinda technique is truely sustainable.
@mryellow123 Biological methods ? Do you mean fermentation, that is a way too slow process to be pracital on this scale. How can releasing energy from waste materials be a zero-point scam. Im not claiming that the energy comes from nowhere. The process I am talking about involves flash pyrolysis and using steam reformation of hydrocarbons in a plasma reaction. There is free energy in so far as releasing energy from waste materials that are free.
@ChrisPCrunchy oh man way to go on the reading comprehension.
I said it **wasn't** a zero-point scam, which is nice to see.
Using a waste material is nice..... but not sustainable, if a technology catches on which requires a fuel and that fuel comes from waste products then you can bet demand will very soon out-strip supply and the raw materials will be supplied instead from non-waste sources.
Yes it is the Jaycar jacobs ladder circuit using a Holden Commodore ignition coil. Well spotted. There is also a high voltage circuit board from a photocopier supplying about 6.8Kv at a frequency between 2450 to 4500 MHz. This experiment was based on US patent 5164054
Which was of interest to me because it allowed a method of producing hydrogen and carbon monoxide by using carbon electrodes and water with radio-frequency energy at relatively low power levels and temps below 180F.
OK I have seen al Your comments now bud I must studie more the Stanley Meyer system I see. The power over the futer of ahwer children stays with the Oil Sheaks as long as we need there back shit ! Annyway I wish You good luck and I hope You change your mind about shearring Your intellect to the world and his children !
Hello Chris,I'm verry interesting in your system can't you sel ore give more information. I was looking for more info of the Stanley Meyers injection system bud I dont find. This is in my opinion the best way to switch over to HHO for ICE in cars !
For shore better than the elektrolyser systems. Can You send more info please ?
LOL Cold Fusion is the Holy grail of energy research. It releases hugh amounts of energy without all the nasty radiation and waste products of conventional Nuclear power (Fission). In the case of hydrogen two Hydrogen atoms fuse to become Helium and because the reaction occurs on the atomic level very small amounts of matter are required to produce hugh amounts of power.
Yes H2 will work in a plasma field, but it will become mono-atomic ionised Hydrogen in plasma. Hydrogen is also converted from parra to ortho, as this reaction degrades back to parra a great deal of heat is released. This is how the Ponds and flieshman experiments were able to demonstrate over unity. Ortho-hydrogen was able to penetrate into the tungstens lattice structure then as it returned to the Parra state it expanded forcing the trapped hydrogen atoms closer and closer until they fused.
Hmm.....I could assume it might be worth concentrating on how to inject a water mist then turn it into a plasma once inside the engine..probably a lot safer too no doubt.
I have seen posts on a few web site that talk about creating a plasma in a vacuum with HHO gas present, which I think might end in nasty surprises.
and my guess is making HHO and then pass it through a spark from a single car HV ignition coil, and manually control the gas feed to the burner. Is that right?
Also, your later videos of the plasma in the car, is it the same setup or very different?
I have an in-car electrolysis unit, but compared to plasma its crude, hence my questions about trying to get a stable plasma burn.... I have healthy respect for h2and electricity..
Passing HHO through a spark would just ignite the HHO releasing its energy and returning it to water vapour. There are similarities in all my setups but the process is evolving and becoming more stable.
Some of my earier work I do not wish to share (or play with anymore) as it proved quite unstable and dangerous. I have melted down Stainless Steel containers and caused various explosions. These things I do not share as I do not wish to cause any harm.
If you read earlier comments you will see that its is not just H2 and O2,when those gases are ignited they burn extremely fast and with a clear flame. This gas contains Carbon and other elements which prevent it from igniting in the plasma reaction inside the device. The carbon bonds with the Oxygen in the H2O so that outside air is needed before the gas can be ignited. That is why I need the lighter to ignite it. This is not just a spark plug it uses far less power than that type of set up.
Yes Pretty much, but lets see you get distilled water to "poof" so much using a car battery two carbon electrodes and some circuits you have designed yourself. Thanks for your comment.
Yes with plasma heat becomes benificial to the reaction and as heat is the end product of nearly all reactions and all energy degrades to heat this is an ideal way to recover that energy to make the reaction more efficient.
By the way, Im not trying to be negative at all or demean you,please understand that.I am aware that a guy like you would have MUCH to teach a guy like me in your experiments.I only wish to exchange information if you will..not many of McAlisters vids. are on here,but he used to teach the same thing regarding not being able to use steel 4 containing hydrogen.He has been conv. engines since the 60s & still teaches and experiments..I try to learn from him and others, like yourself :)
Amps fluctuated greatly on meter but I ran this on the car battery for nearly 4 hrs with no recharge circuit and battery was not flat. Injector failed in the end as it developed an air leak into the reaction chamber. This process was not as safe as I would like it to be. I am working on a more robust design that can recover heat and vapour from car exhaust.
I am holding a circuit board with a switch which I press to activate a solinoid valve and release the gas. The solinoid wont activate until enough pressure is generated to prevent any air flowing back into cell. This experiment is very dangerous, It blew up shortly after these videos, so I dont want to give details or plans until it is more reliable and safe.
hi chris, i just watched 2 of your vids for the first time, i wonder if a person might use two solinoids back to back to make it safer, where one closed when the other opened, atleast a back flash would be confined to a specific area. just a thought, keep up the good work. also if i new wat kind of metal or alloy your having trouble finding i might or might not be able assist in that.if u want we can hook up by e-mail or somhow.
Two solinoid valves are not necessary. Gas produced is mainly Hydrogen and carbon monoxide so it wont ignite until in contact with air as no free oxygen. Heat pressure inside such a small reaction area was the main thing making this device unstable, but that also made it produce gas faster than my larger cells.
Metal I was looking for at the time was Gallium. It is very usefull in making a Aluminium / Gallium alloy that reacts quickly with water to produce just Hydrogen.
"generate hydrogen (and oxygen) in contact with water" Sorry the aluminium oxidises ( bonds with the O from the H2O) & just the Hydrogen is given off. I know that far less mercury is needed to make the amalgam but for personal safety I do not wish to handle it.
"The problem with these systems, though, is that they eventually get contaminated with Aluminum Oxide & must be cleaned somehow." The residue is easily seperated & Aluminium Oxide can be recycled to make Aluminium again & again.
I have been thinking about this system for a while, because it seems really interesting.
Let me see if I understand how it works: graphite electrodes are used to create an arc through the air and a mist of water is passed through this arc. Hot C particles, in turn, reduce the water to form CO + H2. These gases are then combusted by an outside ignition source (forming CO2 + H2O), which would thus cause the expansion required by an I.C.E.? [continued]
So according to my understanding, the reaction is overall like this:
H2O + C --> CO2 + H2O; or just C --> CO2
So the real fuel is just the graphite.
If you are, indeed, using graphite electrodes, this gives me a very different idea (which I was playing with a while back): inductively coupled plasmas. Your fuel would be graphite rods, but the expansion would be done by air passing through the ICP. It's a rough idea; ICP-MS systems use argon gas and Pt electrodes.
hi Chris very interesting solution to make hho great job, good idea and of course many questions ! what is the voltage of high voltage and can we have a closer view of the injector ;-) and the system and the last one what kind of injector please answer !
You could test this on a TIG welder no? start the arc with ac or dc and set the pulse to whatever frequency you want to hit? TIG welders from Miller or what not would work.
Yeah the Missus gets mad at me for spending too much time on this stuff and sleep deprivation makes concentration difficult at times, but its all worth it when you hear them say dadda for the first time or try to take their first steps. After all are our little ones the reason we must find a less poluteing more economical way to solve our energy needs?
Not sure of frequency of output. Usually high voltage low amperage. You need an initial (high voltage at low current)to ionise air or gas or whatever you are arcing through. Then a lower voltage and higher current usually at high frequency to heat up the flow path and maintain plasma arc. Many people use MOT or microwave oven transformers but I would not recomend this approach as it is very dangerous.
It uses plasma to disassociate the water molicules. Gases produced are not just Hydrogen and oxygen. It produces a type of Hydrocarbons, Hydrogen is not suitable for use in an internal combustion engine as it causes Hydrogen Embrittlement of hardened metals damaging engine over time.
Oh okay, I thought this was similiar to another experiement that I've seen using Electrolysis, to produce hydrogen gas from water. Thanks for clearing it up.
I love your work,but it isnt true that H is not suitable in ICEs.Roy McAlister has a truck w over 250k miles,never needed an oil change WITH a pressurized steel tank.You only need 5-7%"H"in order to Hyboost by BTU value if that route is chosen(multi-fuel).I can prove this also.Embrittlement is caused(if not mistaken) from an oxegenate.I can dbl-chk.Eiether way I know he has tanks from 1917 that still hold pretty pure"H" to this day.He runs on stratified charge basis,NO throttle body,surplus air
It depends on the steel being used and the way the Hydrogen is stored. Steel with a ultimate tensile strength of less than 1000 MPa or hardness of less than 30 HRC are not susceptable to hydrogen embrittlement. If the steel is hardened(High Carbon)Hydrogen will react with the carbon and weaken the metal over time, temperature is also a factor which allows greater hydrogen penetration into the metals matrix.Directly exposing valves and seats to direct flow of hydrogen would not be a good idea.
Chris,I have a converted 5hp B&S engine that has been running on H both alone and with many other home derived fuels.I have visually inspected all but the crankcase and the engine is much cleaner than it was before,and Ive only had to add some oil,viscosity is good and oil is clean.I use a scuba tank for the H.I believe the reason for such little wear is the insulation of surplus 4:74 wide fuel/air ratio,as well as the 30k fps flamespeed.This allows me to run other fuels that would never ignite
I am thinking that Hydrogen embrittlement is less of a concern than I originally thought.
I have been communicating with a guy in the states who reacts Hydrochloric acid and aluminium directly in metal cylinders. This reaction is quite volitile and creates a great deal of heat and pressure very quickly and yet he has had the cylinders inspected and has had no problems over many months of doing this. I always prefur to be overly cautious,but it appears the issue is more storing HHO than just H
Normally YES. But I am using very cheap additives to the water so that much of the heat provided does not need to come from the circuit itself, It is supplied by a chemical reaction. It is hard to get the exact ballance right but on my new tests I have had unit running for over 4 hours continuously from the battery and it was still nowhere near flat.This is with no recharge circuit.
I use distilled water so I am sure of its consistant properties.I could use any water (Filtered) But the resistance and other properties would vary with each batch causing considerable tuning and retuning of device each time.
Could you prove that there is no fuel source such as butane, etc...I would love to know for certain, as it would confirm my findings and I would know where to go with my experiments. Also, is it DC or AC arc?
What do you mean fuel source. There is no butane. There are other chemical compounds absorbed as the water is disassociated, but these are cheap (almost free) and readily available. Note the colour and burn rate of flame. Just Hydrogen would burn clear and far more rapidly. You can see this on my earlier video of this device(it had less of these compounds), and you can see in my other experiments with additives in the water and various voltages and frequencies.
It runs off the car battery. There is hign voltage pulses as well as R.F. generated by the driver circuit as well as about 5.5 K volts on the (grid circuit but only at about .39mA)
The circuit that disassociates the water is D.C. But this is not for the reason you think. I have seen your experiments and A.C or D.C. will make little difference on your set up. It is the high voltage arc in your water spark plug that is reigniting the Hydrogen and oxygen and converting it back to water vapour, NOT whether the power input is A.C. or D.C. get a diode and try it but make sure it is rated for the voltage your using.
Ok...I think it is for the reason I have in mind. I am using AC and can watch the bubbles "fluctuate" they go out and in, in a pattern. If it was DC they would migrate in a steady manner, become "stable" and not recombine to water.
Yes they would until there were enough hydrogen and oxygen bubbles to bridge across the two electrodes, then an arc would pass through the gases and ignite them. They would recombine into water vapour and give off their heat to become water again. I think your set up is on a very small scale so not so dangerous, but you should still allow for expansion so it doesnt brake.
Yes and to render gas innert by converting the Oxygen into carbon monoxide so that hydrogen cannot reignite in the plasma arc due to lack of oxygen and the Hydrogen will not ignite until it is in contact with out side air.
electrical arc =/= plasma so that "glowing pixie" that you mentioned is an electrical arc not fire or plasma "consuming" you graphite electrodes. Until you have a mass spectrometer take a look at the gasses your producing your just as ignorant about what your doing as you claim I am.
dugg117 6 months ago
@dugg117 You dont know what plasma is. It is the fourth state of matter. Plasma is generated when an electrical current is applied across a dielectric gas or fluid (an electrically non-conducting material). An electric arc is plasma & in this case distilled water is the dielectric.You have no idea. If the gas was just Hydrogen & Oxygen then the flame would flash back into the confined enclosure where it was generated & it would explode. Carbon has bonded with the free oxygen preventing this.
ChrisPCrunchy 6 months ago
@ChrisPCrunchy I do know what plasma is a super excited state of mater that happens to be DENSE the super heated gas/liquid that gives off light as an electrical current ionizes it is NOT plasma. Also if the carbon was binding with the free oxygen you would have carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide nether of which burn so with this set up and following your logic the only thing you are burning is h2 and oxygen present in the air.
dugg117 6 months ago
@ChrisPCrunchy Though double checked you are right it is "Plasma" But your chemistry is still wrong when carbon bonds with oxygen the resultant will not burn. But know your going to try and tell me that you have managed to also create "hydrocarbons" also pyrolysis requires ORGANIC compounds containing carbon because they have a relevantly "high" energy state, graphite is no such thing and is very stable or at a "low" energy state.
dugg117 6 months ago
CO or carbon monoxide will oxidise (burn) to reach its stable state of CO2. Why pretend you know something about chemistry when clearly you don’t. Both Graphite & water H2O are in their stable or low energy state. That is why energy has to be provided to generate the plasma and supply the heat for the endothermic reaction that produces a combustible gas. I don’t know what you are trying to prove here. I am explaining that this gas is NOT the same as that produced by electrolysis as you asserted.
ChrisPCrunchy 6 months ago
this is total bullshit ..... oxyhydrogen gas does not burn like that..... scammers ....
999solomon999 1 week ago
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Nice work Chris. I noticed the flame was uncharacteristic of hho. Love to see this on a small motor like my air motor for some tests.
onecraftydude 1 year ago
Nice work Chris. I noticed the flame was uncharacteristic of hho. Love to see this on a small motor like my air motor for some tests.
onecraftydude 1 year ago
fail hahahahaha
MrLegendaryzz 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy John Hutchison made one that he showed to Paris Hilton. If your lucky the video is still online. Johns site has been severly compromised and many of the links are missing. John lives about 30 minutes away from me but I am currently out of the country at the moment doing some international trade. I don't have the time for this right now.
omegafile 1 year ago
It takes X amount of energy at 25*C in a jar to dissociate a water molecule...but that's electrolysis. This fella is using PLASMA. Do you know how hot plasma is? Hot enough to break water up more easiliy. What happens when the gas forms, bubbles out of his jar, cools in the air, and gets re-burnt? -270 kJ/mol of energy at 25*C is what happens. There's no free energy, he's just more conveniently splitting water and re-burning it. What's the problem with that? Don't ignore thermo., use it!
Pianoman0488 1 year ago
i realty wish people would forget about the laws of physic and thermodynamatcs I think they were writen to keep people from making things that would put the power out.these laws have kept people from even trying and there not right!!!!!!!!
MrJetjoe 1 year ago
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prollandjayver 1 year ago
The Oil companies are trying their best to stop free energy ideas from spreading to common ppl.
We need to put an end to this corruption ,start generating your own electricity.
Look for the LT MAGNET MOTOR in youtube video search. Join the Revolution!!
rebelliouseoagj 1 year ago
why would you call this a plasma injection system when basically you set up an electrolysis system turning the H2O into the combustible gas HHO?
TheBassman5000 1 year ago
This is no more plasma than that lighter or a match is. What you meant to title this video is "car hydrogen injection system" or "hydrogen combustion system"
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan The plasma is inside the injector unit (where you cant see it) What you do see is the gas produced and ignited as proof of flamability. This unit is meant to prove the voume of gas produced, the speed at which the gas is produced, the low power required, supplied by just one 12v battery. I dont think you understand what I am trying to do. This is only an early prototype.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago 3
Why did you need a lighter if this is plasma and not combustion of Hydrogen which it obviously is. You do realize that matches and lighters are just combustion too right?
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
ChrisPCrunchy this is amazing. Great work. I'm very interested in what you are doing. I think the plasma arc is the way to go not only for cars but other hydrogen applications as well. Its smaller and much more scalable. Great work.
hydrophoenixx 1 year ago
fail!!!!!
RavenzFan111 1 year ago
Hello Chris, I would like to recreate this design. Can you advise on the best circuit to use and components. I am very excited about this technology, and the effort you have put into this is great encouragement.
Thanks in advance
potroastmaster 1 year ago
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Why explode anything when all you have to do is split O2 into OO and when it recombines you get more energy back than the energy it took to split it. and it will power an electric motor. "
What happened to the Law of Conservation of Energy?
punzalane 1 year ago
Why explode anything when all you have to do is split O2 into OO and when it recombines you get more energy back than the energy it took to split it. and it will power an electric motor.
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile You lose energy splitting H2O into HH + OO not gain it. This is not a perpetual motion machine. Its not even especially efficient, but thats not what its about. What it is about is using cheap or free materials that would normally go to land fill to generate a combustable gas to power an engine. You see there is free energy in just about everything that we throw out, so it is only free because it costs nothing to get the materials not because the energy comes from nowhere.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago 5
@ChrisPCrunchy Wanna bet? I'll bet you 1000 dollars. Go to my channel and watch the video By William Lyne called engineering. I already know how to make a free energy device with no moving parts and no combustion and it splits the air with plasma and when it recombines you get more energy when it recombines than the energy it took to split it. Look for all the other parts to the video to get the full story. I have a set of plans I designed myself years ago. You don't even need water..just air
omegafile 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy All it takes to do it is a high voltage capacitor, 3 quartz stones (one is a transducer) and a spark gap. It has to be magnetized with a neon sign transformer and tuned to the note of "a". The energy is not free .It comes from stars by resonance. You can do it with either hydrogen or Oxygen.. both are present in the air. Your spiting diatomic molecules into mono atomic molecules and when they recombine naturally you get more energy back than what you started with
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile .... Nutter alert
LordRulesOnEarth 1 year ago
@LordRulesOnEarth you need to read the book written by Willian Lyne called :\"Pentagon Aliens" In this book he explains how you get more energy back when monoatomic hydrogen recombines into diatomic hydrogen than the energy it took to split it. I have already seen the Tesla patent that proves that this concept is real. I have built a prototype based on this that works and teamed up with someone from a utility company to hook this thing up to the grid and sell the power from this device.
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile Link to patent please. I am a great admirer or Nickola Tesla. I am especially interested in his concept of unlimited energy by resonating the schumann cavity which would prevent useless discharge of the ionosphere through lightning strike, This would allow that energy instead to be harnessed and drawn on at nearly any point on the earths surface on demand.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy you can't link here. I already told people where to look. In a search engine type in "Pentagon aliens" and you will find the whole book online at the scibd website. The picture of the patent is in the first chapter of the book. Tesla uses 2 coils and a spark gap to pull energy right out of the air. My device is very similar to his but I don't use coils, I use a transducer to hammer on a quartz crystal piezoeloectrically, 36,000 times a sec..you get much higher voltage.
omegafile 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy My concept is the same as Teslas..the energy is absorbed at the spark gap because it is spliting diatomic Oxygen in the air into mono atomic oxygen. When the monoatomic oxygen naturally recombines after being split it becomes diatomic oxygen again and the recombining of it creates more energy than the energy it took to split it, I use a capacitor to store the energy which then discharges at the spark gap again causing the whole process to repeat itself forever ABSORBING ENERGY
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile Are you a troll? Because what you're trying to pitch is impossible. Not the kind of impossible where David conquers Goliath. I mean the kind of impossible where it violates the second law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or must completely rewrite thermodynamic theory. In addition, you're implying that something as simple and obvious as this has never come across any home scientist, energy company, entrepreneur, or DARPA?
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan I have a wooden box at home that i built and tuned to a 5/3 ratio. This makes the box tuned to the note of "a". All you have to do is turn on your stereo and hold the box in your hand and you can feel this box vibrating constantly. Now line the box with copper inside and out so that the inside is not connected to the outside and you have a self charging capacitor..Put a quartz stone inside tuned to the 5/3 ratio..it will vibrate and give off 12,500 volts per cubic centimeter.
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile 12,500v yeah thats nice and all, but its fuck all if you cant produce any decent current from it! I can generate 10,000v by dragging my feet across the carpet but you dont see me powering my house from it!
ChromeXk 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan You only have to displace a quartz crystal a billionth of an inch for it to release 12,500 volts per cubic centimeter. If you cut the crystal to a 5/3 ratio and put it in front of a speaker it will vibrate forever converting mechanical energy into electrical energy. You can eliminate the speaker by shorting out the capacitor with a transducer...when the capacotor is charged the transducer vibrates causing the quartz to vibrate releasing voltage to charge the capacitor.
omegafile 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan I'm a million years ahead of you people. Why do I bother? It's like trying to teach a cow how to talk.
omegafile 1 year ago
@omegafile No way man. We finally completed our dark matter collector which will supplement the feeble output of the terawatt fusion plant. Now we have enough power for the quantum computer cluster our AI requested for mapping the wormholes.
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
@omegafile What you're suggesting violates the first law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or thermodynamic theory is wrong (get real). You cannot create energy, period. Show me in math where this "free" energy came from. You're also indirectly implying that you have stumbled across something that no home amateur scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, energy company, or DARPA have heard of (as obviously they would all be interested in this if it were true). I believe you are a troll
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan It doesn't violate the first law of thermodynamics. The energy is just there..we are swimming in it.. Your just harnessing what is already there. All matter is energy. The air..the rocks..every atom in the universe is energy. your picking up the energy by resonance by tuning in to a frequency and capturing that energy just like having 2 guitars in a room and hitting the string on one guitar and the string on the other guitar vibrates and you didn't even touch it.
omegafile 1 year ago
@BigBananaMan put a 30 ft rod in the ground ..this is your negative and put a 30 ft rod in the air...this is your positive. I guarantee it will pick up energy....why you ask? because the rod has a wavelenth and and you are picking up this wave by resonance.... now take a 30 ft wire and wrap it in a coil and ground it....take another 30 ft wire and coil it..it's the same deal...the same wavelenth..works the same way. You can pull energy out of a stone if you know how to tune it with ratios.
omegafile 1 year ago
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@omegafile What you're suggesting violates the first law of thermodynamics and therefore must be wrong or thermodynamic theory is wrong (get real). You cannot create energy, period. Show me in math where this "free" energy came from. You're also indirectly implying that you have stumbled across something that no home amateur scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, energy company, or DARPA have heard of (as obviously they would all be interested in this if it were true). I believe you are a troll
BigBananaMan 1 year ago
@LordRulesOnEarth I have a device the size of a football that will power a whole city. I'm building a second prototype in the new year that will be hooked up to the grid in a third world country. I decided to take it overseas because the people in the west are still living in the stone age,There are too many disinformation agents here that are ridiculing a concept that works. Rather than marketing the device I will sell the power it makes.to the utility, the profits are greater.
omegafile 1 year ago
Good luck & Godspeed mate!
ohairy111 1 year ago
Nice if it can come to something in the long run. Are you giving this technology out for free, or are we all going to dig deep in our pockets to have this info in the public domain?
psyimology 1 year ago
runs on whater alone you say? then what is the battery doing there and how did it get charged up?
MrBobsbitchtits 1 year ago
@MrBobsbitchtits Its there to stop the wind blowing away the little bench that the device is sitting on.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago 2
man this is great...if such a device can be assembled so simply it makes you wonder why we still use internal combustion engines...
spyrosmacedon 1 year ago
here there's a problem the carbon electrode does not last long, with a HV we risk damaging them.
fafadi13 1 year ago
@fafadi13 Electrodes are consumable items, They are meant to errode to give the carbon component found in the gas. Carbon is extremely cheap or free, now I use waste products that cost money to dispose of to landfill, so in theory I could make a profit by making a free fuel gas to run my vehicles.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
why dont you order some liquid Hydrogen from NASA...
palavos12 1 year ago
you need a new lighter m8 lol oj
MOZZWIGAN 1 year ago
This is a far more important invention than that ex- n.a.s.a. scientist with his little $8,000 black energy box made of dirt. It could possibly bring about... dare I say, world peace? :)
Lotsofnickles 1 year ago
World peace you say! Who doesnt want that?
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
Only a small handful of people that own just about everything we touch, see and hear. But for the rest of us, world peace would be ideal. Keep up the good work! It's fantastic and thank you for sharing. :)
Lotsofnickles 1 year ago
This is awesome!! This is the most convincing water-engine video I have seen so far. And your response to comments has really helped explain how this works. More like a plasma gasifier than an electrolosis rig??
FoZZy1300 1 year ago
U R close but still missing it Hope to add to that statement soon but i need to time to set up proper vid mate!
1100tech 2 years ago
Yes I dont think that people realise just how little heat energy it takes to release the energy of common waste products and how easy it is to convert a normal car to run on the gas released. With the right pressures the exhaust heat from the car is enough to allow pyrolysis of finely cut waste products like saw dust. Whats your idea involve?
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
water mist over the arc @ high pressure directly into the cylinder through the plug hole
1100tech 2 years ago
think of how "LITTLE" water it would take to run an ICE ??? 15 MPG use 107.2 0z.(1 gal)= 7.1oz/mile, 2000 rpm's 1000 pwr strokes /mile = 141 power strokes /oz/gas. water produces same BTU's with 1/3 the volume of liquid SO 423 pwr strokes /oz water . The process you have there is a start to the quest! think of 1oz. of water broken down into 423 parts and you start to see how little it takes to get this going
1100tech 1 year ago
I dont think you understand the basic concept. Water(Steam)H2O is a component in the exhaust of an internal combustion engine.The only energy you get out of HHO,Hydroxy or what ever you choose the call it is the energy you put into the water through electrolysis. You cant start with water & end with water & still expect to release enough energy to do useful work. There is no way to use this set up to produce gas on demand to run an engine,but it can release energy using pyrolysis reactions.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
cool
laser5890 2 years ago
Bravo. Is there a way to make the process quicker so that more burnable fuel is made more quickly? I don't doubt that you could easily transplant this into a car for a proof of concept. Congrats, keep at it.
yourTIV0 2 years ago
Thanks for your interest and encouragement. I have moved on from this and I have developed an onboard gasification process that converts organic waste into a useable fuel gas that can run a small car. Still ironing out the bugs but it looks very promising.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
That's exciting, how fast is the gasification process? I would hope that its not as slow as a wood gasifier. Also, how cleanly does this fuel burn? And what sort of by-products does the organic material leave behind?
yourTIV0 2 years ago
Process is far faster than the old type gasification. Not instant but fast enough to be practical (1 minute or so depending waste material used a fuel source) Because of the rapid heat generated it can run on material not normally practical. All that is left is a small amount of pot ash (remaining after shut off) which is great for the garden. The size of the unit is far smaller than conventional gassifier & there is no need for the extensive filtration as there is no ash in the gas produced.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
You obviously do not understand what I am trying to achieve.
There are many ways to release a hydrocarbon gas suitable to run a vehicle from waste products, solving two problems at once. While this experiment uses just carbon electrodes water and electricity it is just one step on that path.
Do you want to keep lining the pockets of wealthy Arabs so they can build ski fields in the desert while your economy goes broke. There is a difference between energy efficiency & economical you know.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
It's hardly running a car on just water, seeing as the energy gained through oxidised hydrogen is equal to the energy needed to split the hydrogen and oxygen in the first place. Surely it would be far easier to just run the current through an electric motor to power the car instead?
wheninrome82 2 years ago
You have no idea what is going on. It is NOT ELECTROYLIS. It consumes carbon/graphite electrodes (chemical energy) The new process consumes agricultural / domestic waste. I suggest you look up pyrolysis(or flash pyrolysis with more finely divided ag wast.) Fuel gas in this process over a certain temperatures depending on feedstocks(waste material used) Is further boosted by a steam reformation of hydrocarbons in the feedstocks.Exhaust heat can be recycled to boost steam reformation reactions.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
So it's not as the description suggests, being powered on water only, but rather from impurities in the water?
wheninrome82 2 years ago
Yes thats true, it uses 3 things water, graphite, electricity.The graphite came from old expired batteries (Free) the electricity solar (free) water , rain (free)
The final process uses free waste products, that would normally have cost money to dispose of. From a conservation of energy perspective there are NO free lunches, but from an economical point of view there is free energy and it is very possible to run your car,generator, house, heater for free. Therefore free energy does exist.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
@ChrisPCrunchy and what happens when the price of graphite goes up as your supply of disposed batteries runs out? Oil much? Not sustainable.
mryellow123 1 year ago
@mryellow123 just use carbon one of the most common elements that exists and one that is captured every day by vegitation. There is enough energy in the rubbish you throw out every day to run your vehicle. This system can release that energy to run a vehicle. Are you worried that we will run out of rubbish too?
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy How much labour, cost and polution is generated when converting general household garbage into carbon in a form pure enough to use.If using biological methods how much oxygen is consumed? People tend to not look past things. Did you hear electric cars are "zero" emission? Sure everything needs fuel, this isn't a zero-point scam, I do wonder if this kinda technique is truely sustainable.
mryellow123 1 year ago
@mryellow123 Biological methods ? Do you mean fermentation, that is a way too slow process to be pracital on this scale. How can releasing energy from waste materials be a zero-point scam. Im not claiming that the energy comes from nowhere. The process I am talking about involves flash pyrolysis and using steam reformation of hydrocarbons in a plasma reaction. There is free energy in so far as releasing energy from waste materials that are free.
ChrisPCrunchy 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy oh man way to go on the reading comprehension.
I said it **wasn't** a zero-point scam, which is nice to see.
Using a waste material is nice..... but not sustainable, if a technology catches on which requires a fuel and that fuel comes from waste products then you can bet demand will very soon out-strip supply and the raw materials will be supplied instead from non-waste sources.
mryellow123 1 year ago
@ChrisPCrunchy
It's a nice technique, it might have some amazing applications, but it's short-term thinking when waste is described as a sustainable fuel.
Also waste materials are not free. Just the simple act of sorting junk from fuel might be completely prohibative in cost.
mryellow123 1 year ago
0:48 Did he say gas? I thought it was water?
Hmm..... o.0
JedrekenSederis 2 years ago
lol, gas from the water, der
mafiouso 2 years ago
???? was that a joke?
myztic123 2 years ago
Obviously.
JedrekenSederis 2 years ago
What is the voltage in volts and amps the intensity and frequency used in this system.
fafadi13 2 years ago
Will you put your plans on the internet system.
fafadi13 3 years ago
you are using the 555 timer circut from jaycar. i have the same one!
TCDIL95 3 years ago
Yes it is the Jaycar jacobs ladder circuit using a Holden Commodore ignition coil. Well spotted. There is also a high voltage circuit board from a photocopier supplying about 6.8Kv at a frequency between 2450 to 4500 MHz. This experiment was based on US patent 5164054
Which was of interest to me because it allowed a method of producing hydrogen and carbon monoxide by using carbon electrodes and water with radio-frequency energy at relatively low power levels and temps below 180F.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
nice!!
TCDIL95 3 years ago
i dont think that a gas +torch+ being close to a battery is a good idea ,
but the work looks good,
i dont think it matters if the bottle is tesco or sainsbury as they are made by the same company.
tediouse 3 years ago
What is tesco or sainsbury we dont have them in Australia. There is just distilled water in the bottle.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
what are u pressing?
bensonak47 3 years ago
I am pressing a button on a circuit board that opens a solinoid valve and lets the gas escape.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
What use spark plugs? Whether it is possible to use spark plugs PLAZMOFOR for this sistem?
I have spark plugs PLAZMOFOR (plazma spark plugs)in my engine.
I'm save GAS & have lower toxicity.
My engine not having ping issues!
svlad12 3 years ago
you need some more "fossil fuel" for the ignition source! lol
Is that Tesco water or Sainsbury's?
GBS1043 3 years ago
wow its my birth day thank you for this.
aaronisdumbusa 3 years ago
Happy birthday Aaron.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
thank you i made a my first hho vid see it lol its funny a little.
aaronisdumbusa 3 years ago
OK I have seen al Your comments now bud I must studie more the Stanley Meyer system I see. The power over the futer of ahwer children stays with the Oil Sheaks as long as we need there back shit ! Annyway I wish You good luck and I hope You change your mind about shearring Your intellect to the world and his children !
sheeptrik 3 years ago
awesome job!
johncarl43447 3 years ago
Thanks!
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Hello Chris,I'm verry interesting in your system can't you sel ore give more information. I was looking for more info of the Stanley Meyers injection system bud I dont find. This is in my opinion the best way to switch over to HHO for ICE in cars !
For shore better than the elektrolyser systems. Can You send more info please ?
sheeptrik 3 years ago
That is awesome. U r obviously very good with gases. lol.
masteralienprober 3 years ago
Man that hurts, My feelings and other peoples noses LOL :)
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
My water reactor explosion.
TommeyLeeReed 3 years ago
Way cool :)
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
im having trouble do you have any plans or ideas you would share with me?
batteryphil 3 years ago
What are you having problems with?
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Is fusing of Hydrogen a good or bad thing?
plasmastudent77 3 years ago
LOL Cold Fusion is the Holy grail of energy research. It releases hugh amounts of energy without all the nasty radiation and waste products of conventional Nuclear power (Fission). In the case of hydrogen two Hydrogen atoms fuse to become Helium and because the reaction occurs on the atomic level very small amounts of matter are required to produce hugh amounts of power.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
hmm...thats what I figured. Maybe pure H2 but itself might work in a plasma field.
plasmastudent77 3 years ago
Yes H2 will work in a plasma field, but it will become mono-atomic ionised Hydrogen in plasma. Hydrogen is also converted from parra to ortho, as this reaction degrades back to parra a great deal of heat is released. This is how the Ponds and flieshman experiments were able to demonstrate over unity. Ortho-hydrogen was able to penetrate into the tungstens lattice structure then as it returned to the Parra state it expanded forcing the trapped hydrogen atoms closer and closer until they fused.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Hmm.....I could assume it might be worth concentrating on how to inject a water mist then turn it into a plasma once inside the engine..probably a lot safer too no doubt.
I have seen posts on a few web site that talk about creating a plasma in a vacuum with HHO gas present, which I think might end in nasty surprises.
plasmastudent77 3 years ago
You cant generate HHO in plasma as the temperatures will just ignite the HHO. It doesnt matter if it is in a vacuum or not.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Hi,
I'm trying to replicate your set up,
and my guess is making HHO and then pass it through a spark from a single car HV ignition coil, and manually control the gas feed to the burner. Is that right?
Also, your later videos of the plasma in the car, is it the same setup or very different?
I have an in-car electrolysis unit, but compared to plasma its crude, hence my questions about trying to get a stable plasma burn.... I have healthy respect for h2and electricity..
Thanks,
PS77
plasmastudent77 3 years ago
Passing HHO through a spark would just ignite the HHO releasing its energy and returning it to water vapour. There are similarities in all my setups but the process is evolving and becoming more stable.
Some of my earier work I do not wish to share (or play with anymore) as it proved quite unstable and dangerous. I have melted down Stainless Steel containers and caused various explosions. These things I do not share as I do not wish to cause any harm.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
So this is electrolysis of water splitting it into H2 and O2? The gas is on top of the spark plug, the spark plug ignites and BAM?
Why the lighter then? I guess I don't understand it too well....where is my fault?
Shinta786 3 years ago
If you read earlier comments you will see that its is not just H2 and O2,when those gases are ignited they burn extremely fast and with a clear flame. This gas contains Carbon and other elements which prevent it from igniting in the plasma reaction inside the device. The carbon bonds with the Oxygen in the H2O so that outside air is needed before the gas can be ignited. That is why I need the lighter to ignite it. This is not just a spark plug it uses far less power than that type of set up.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Oh I C
THNX
Shinta786 3 years ago
I can do that with my lighter!!
collinsmetro 3 years ago
Cool post it then.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Is it just my eyes, or is this not doing anything but poofing every second or so?
eddiequest2 3 years ago
Yes Pretty much, but lets see you get distilled water to "poof" so much using a car battery two carbon electrodes and some circuits you have designed yourself. Thanks for your comment.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Pretty cool. Plasma electrolysis. I should have thought of that sooner....
j1j2k3k4 3 years ago
Yes with plasma heat becomes benificial to the reaction and as heat is the end product of nearly all reactions and all energy degrades to heat this is an ideal way to recover that energy to make the reaction more efficient.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Great work. Why arent you doing further tests on this system. Gas production is great on this unit.
CopiersOfficeEquip 3 years ago
this system proved very unstable and I cannot get access to material more suited to this system.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Great work. Why arent you doing further tests on this system. Gas production is great on this unit.
CopiersOfficeEquip 3 years ago
cool!!!
luvgingy 3 years ago
cool!!!
luvgingy 3 years ago
By the way, Im not trying to be negative at all or demean you,please understand that.I am aware that a guy like you would have MUCH to teach a guy like me in your experiments.I only wish to exchange information if you will..not many of McAlisters vids. are on here,but he used to teach the same thing regarding not being able to use steel 4 containing hydrogen.He has been conv. engines since the 60s & still teaches and experiments..I try to learn from him and others, like yourself :)
FullspeedorNothin 3 years ago
what is its powerconsumption?
10 of these would run a car
crippled82 3 years ago
Amps fluctuated greatly on meter but I ran this on the car battery for nearly 4 hrs with no recharge circuit and battery was not flat. Injector failed in the end as it developed an air leak into the reaction chamber. This process was not as safe as I would like it to be. I am working on a more robust design that can recover heat and vapour from car exhaust.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
but if the cell would work, that would mean less heat production in the ICE.
Good luck on new design, i'll keep an eye on your site.
crippled82 3 years ago
Hydrogen and oxygen would still combine in combustion of this gas to produce water vapour which could be recovered to regenerate the gas.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Chris how many wats are you using on that plasma arc. i mean is it more eficent to burn this geas in ICE or jost run the car on batery?
tigerclaw1000 3 years ago
Chris, What is the device your holding in your left hand? Also can you go into more detail on how you constructed the plasma injector system?
zziams 4 years ago
I am holding a circuit board with a switch which I press to activate a solinoid valve and release the gas. The solinoid wont activate until enough pressure is generated to prevent any air flowing back into cell. This experiment is very dangerous, It blew up shortly after these videos, so I dont want to give details or plans until it is more reliable and safe.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
hi chris, i just watched 2 of your vids for the first time, i wonder if a person might use two solinoids back to back to make it safer, where one closed when the other opened, atleast a back flash would be confined to a specific area. just a thought, keep up the good work. also if i new wat kind of metal or alloy your having trouble finding i might or might not be able assist in that.if u want we can hook up by e-mail or somhow.
docscot11 3 years ago
Hi Docscot11.
Two solinoid valves are not necessary. Gas produced is mainly Hydrogen and carbon monoxide so it wont ignite until in contact with air as no free oxygen. Heat pressure inside such a small reaction area was the main thing making this device unstable, but that also made it produce gas faster than my larger cells.
Metal I was looking for at the time was Gallium. It is very usefull in making a Aluminium / Gallium alloy that reacts quickly with water to produce just Hydrogen.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
If you want to cut costs at the expense of personal health:
Mercury can also be used to make an aluminum amalgam, which will rapidly generate hydrogen (and oxygen) in contact with water.
The problem with these systems, though, is that they eventually get contaminated with Aluminum Oxide and must be cleaned somehow.
DDTea 2 years ago
"generate hydrogen (and oxygen) in contact with water" Sorry the aluminium oxidises ( bonds with the O from the H2O) & just the Hydrogen is given off. I know that far less mercury is needed to make the amalgam but for personal safety I do not wish to handle it.
"The problem with these systems, though, is that they eventually get contaminated with Aluminum Oxide & must be cleaned somehow." The residue is easily seperated & Aluminium Oxide can be recycled to make Aluminium again & again.
ChrisPCrunchy 2 years ago
I have been thinking about this system for a while, because it seems really interesting.
Let me see if I understand how it works: graphite electrodes are used to create an arc through the air and a mist of water is passed through this arc. Hot C particles, in turn, reduce the water to form CO + H2. These gases are then combusted by an outside ignition source (forming CO2 + H2O), which would thus cause the expansion required by an I.C.E.? [continued]
DDTea 2 years ago
So according to my understanding, the reaction is overall like this:
H2O + C --> CO2 + H2O; or just C --> CO2
So the real fuel is just the graphite.
If you are, indeed, using graphite electrodes, this gives me a very different idea (which I was playing with a while back): inductively coupled plasmas. Your fuel would be graphite rods, but the expansion would be done by air passing through the ICP. It's a rough idea; ICP-MS systems use argon gas and Pt electrodes.
DDTea 2 years ago
hi Chris very interesting solution to make hho great job, good idea and of course many questions ! what is the voltage of high voltage and can we have a closer view of the injector ;-) and the system and the last one what kind of injector please answer !
jean-pierre from France
jpmenf 4 years ago
Hi Chris, great video !
Are you using sugar dissolved in water to add
hydrocarbons ?
Please come to overunity dot com and describe
your process.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 4 years ago
Hi Stefan.
No there is no sugar in system. Mainly just carbon but I have tried many additives in similar systems with varying results.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
You could test this on a TIG welder no? start the arc with ac or dc and set the pulse to whatever frequency you want to hit? TIG welders from Miller or what not would work.
neukin 4 years ago
Great lookin little one ya got there. Them things is a lot of work also :)
Excellent work ya doing keep up the good work.
mdbreedi 4 years ago
Yeah the Missus gets mad at me for spending too much time on this stuff and sleep deprivation makes concentration difficult at times, but its all worth it when you hear them say dadda for the first time or try to take their first steps. After all are our little ones the reason we must find a less poluteing more economical way to solve our energy needs?
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
keep up the good work!!!
RADFUELS 4 years ago
how about using electric fences device to create plasma arc? electic fence can output upto 20KV with 12v dc.
dreamyear 4 years ago
Not sure of frequency of output. Usually high voltage low amperage. You need an initial (high voltage at low current)to ionise air or gas or whatever you are arcing through. Then a lower voltage and higher current usually at high frequency to heat up the flow path and maintain plasma arc. Many people use MOT or microwave oven transformers but I would not recomend this approach as it is very dangerous.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Why do you call it plasma? Hydrogen injection makes more sense..
JM282 4 years ago
It uses plasma to disassociate the water molicules. Gases produced are not just Hydrogen and oxygen. It produces a type of Hydrocarbons, Hydrogen is not suitable for use in an internal combustion engine as it causes Hydrogen Embrittlement of hardened metals damaging engine over time.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Oh okay, I thought this was similiar to another experiement that I've seen using Electrolysis, to produce hydrogen gas from water. Thanks for clearing it up.
JM282 4 years ago
I love your work,but it isnt true that H is not suitable in ICEs.Roy McAlister has a truck w over 250k miles,never needed an oil change WITH a pressurized steel tank.You only need 5-7%"H"in order to Hyboost by BTU value if that route is chosen(multi-fuel).I can prove this also.Embrittlement is caused(if not mistaken) from an oxegenate.I can dbl-chk.Eiether way I know he has tanks from 1917 that still hold pretty pure"H" to this day.He runs on stratified charge basis,NO throttle body,surplus air
FullspeedorNothin 3 years ago
It depends on the steel being used and the way the Hydrogen is stored. Steel with a ultimate tensile strength of less than 1000 MPa or hardness of less than 30 HRC are not susceptable to hydrogen embrittlement. If the steel is hardened(High Carbon)Hydrogen will react with the carbon and weaken the metal over time, temperature is also a factor which allows greater hydrogen penetration into the metals matrix.Directly exposing valves and seats to direct flow of hydrogen would not be a good idea.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
Chris,I have a converted 5hp B&S engine that has been running on H both alone and with many other home derived fuels.I have visually inspected all but the crankcase and the engine is much cleaner than it was before,and Ive only had to add some oil,viscosity is good and oil is clean.I use a scuba tank for the H.I believe the reason for such little wear is the insulation of surplus 4:74 wide fuel/air ratio,as well as the 30k fps flamespeed.This allows me to run other fuels that would never ignite
FullspeedorNothin 3 years ago
I am thinking that Hydrogen embrittlement is less of a concern than I originally thought.
I have been communicating with a guy in the states who reacts Hydrochloric acid and aluminium directly in metal cylinders. This reaction is quite volitile and creates a great deal of heat and pressure very quickly and yet he has had the cylinders inspected and has had no problems over many months of doing this. I always prefur to be overly cautious,but it appears the issue is more storing HHO than just H
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
coil will melt down if you use it more than 1~2 hours continuously?
dreamyear 4 years ago
Normally YES. But I am using very cheap additives to the water so that much of the heat provided does not need to come from the circuit itself, It is supplied by a chemical reaction. It is hard to get the exact ballance right but on my new tests I have had unit running for over 4 hours continuously from the battery and it was still nowhere near flat.This is with no recharge circuit.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Hey great clip man. Can u use tap or rain water. Y does it have to be distilled
Darkshaddowknight 4 years ago
I use distilled water so I am sure of its consistant properties.I could use any water (Filtered) But the resistance and other properties would vary with each batch causing considerable tuning and retuning of device each time.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Gases without air implodes, with air explodes. :)
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
Could you prove that there is no fuel source such as butane, etc...I would love to know for certain, as it would confirm my findings and I would know where to go with my experiments. Also, is it DC or AC arc?
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
What do you mean fuel source. There is no butane. There are other chemical compounds absorbed as the water is disassociated, but these are cheap (almost free) and readily available. Note the colour and burn rate of flame. Just Hydrogen would burn clear and far more rapidly. You can see this on my earlier video of this device(it had less of these compounds), and you can see in my other experiments with additives in the water and various voltages and frequencies.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Is your source alternating or direct current?
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
It runs off the car battery. There is hign voltage pulses as well as R.F. generated by the driver circuit as well as about 5.5 K volts on the (grid circuit but only at about .39mA)
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
An oscillating circuit driving a flyback transformer...H.V. arc right?
Does the flyback rectify it to DC? Or is it AC? Simple question ;)
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
The circuit that disassociates the water is D.C. But this is not for the reason you think. I have seen your experiments and A.C or D.C. will make little difference on your set up. It is the high voltage arc in your water spark plug that is reigniting the Hydrogen and oxygen and converting it back to water vapour, NOT whether the power input is A.C. or D.C. get a diode and try it but make sure it is rated for the voltage your using.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Ok...I think it is for the reason I have in mind. I am using AC and can watch the bubbles "fluctuate" they go out and in, in a pattern. If it was DC they would migrate in a steady manner, become "stable" and not recombine to water.
RadiantEnrG 4 years ago
Yes they would until there were enough hydrogen and oxygen bubbles to bridge across the two electrodes, then an arc would pass through the gases and ignite them. They would recombine into water vapour and give off their heat to become water again. I think your set up is on a very small scale so not so dangerous, but you should still allow for expansion so it doesnt brake.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
Do you use a modified spark plug like the firestorm one?
labidus74 4 years ago
No This system is using carbon electrodes.
ChrisPCrunchy 4 years ago
to reduce electric current?
crippled82 3 years ago
Yes and to render gas innert by converting the Oxygen into carbon monoxide so that hydrogen cannot reignite in the plasma arc due to lack of oxygen and the Hydrogen will not ignite until it is in contact with out side air.
ChrisPCrunchy 3 years ago
how does the injector portion of the system work?
cleanfuelresearch 4 years ago