u cant compare fedor 2 lensar i mean even if fedor lost 2 lensar he still is a better fighter than brock ,u just cant compare i mean look at fedors skills and at lensar skills its simple as that fedor m8 end up killing lensar 95 percent
I miss the less restrained combat forum of the Pride label. - Anyone trying to cast negative aspersions about Fedor, claiming he's less than one of the greatest MMA fighters in history, is simply displaying thier ignorance, and how new they are to the sport.
It's all good ... free speech and all..... but as long as everybody here understands.... you should'nt place Fedor lower than he deserves, cuz he is A TOP fighter ... the man fought plenty of great/Extreme fighters... last I checked two off the top of my head.... ummm... Nogi... and Randleman... we could go on. So remember that.
It's all good ... free speech and all..... but as long as everybody here understands.... you should'nt place Fedor ... the man fought plenty of great/Extreme fighters... last I checked two off the top of my head.... ummm... Nogi... and Randleman... we could go on. So remember that.
everytime someone post a comment on a mma page u get Roid heads talkin shit tring to defend this pussy!!! He lost to a bum and u fags say brock is shit cause he just lost when he has never had matches with tiny japs and washed up used to be ufc fighters hahahaha yall need to get his dick out your asses and wise up maggots THE UFC IS REAL TALENT all the rest are pretend wanna be fight programs thats will never last!!! So try to justify it about money or whatever reason you want to make up!!!!!
@MemphisTrouble You sound "well hard", really intelligent and knowledgable I wish I was as hard as you. You sound so charismatic as well, I wish I was also as intelligent as you!!! Also pls can you clarify (if it's Fedor's opponents you are refering to as your sentence structure has confused me) who are these little japs? The only Japanese fighter that Fedor has fought in the last 5 years is Hong Man Choi at 7'2 and 23st perhaps its just me again!! but I wouldnt describe him as a "little jap"
Oh yeah the UFC is the REAL TALENT and Brock Lesnar is the best, It's amazing how much you know. I bet Fedor wishes he has Brock's 5 win (at least 2 of which he very nearly lost!!!) and 2 loss record, what a legend. I take it you are well into the WWF or WWE and this is where your vast wealth of knowledge about fighting comes from? You are better off posting on WWE forums where they all beleive what happens between Hulk Hogan & Brock Lesnar breaking doors and walls etc is real!"off the top rope"
fedor is a pussy plain and simple all you people defending him must watch jv football games and say bet they could beat varsity!!! everyone knows that the ufc is where all the real talent is and all his fights are washed up castouts or people that arent good enough for ufc so until he proves it all you jock riders need to stfu and admit he is scared of the ufc!!!
@MemphisTrouble everyone knows that you are retard.....moron...what ufc is talents..i dotn say there are good fighters...but in strikeforce have good hw maybe better fedor overme barnet....in ufc hw only good are jds and cain...all other are shit......seond ufc cant stay with PRIDE...IDIOT learn somethnig or you start watch since 2 years...how sad and pathetic...idiot....learn something....hahaha..he is fear of who brock hahaah...brock is shit...only cain and jds are good..but
@MemphisTrouble best fighter off all time isnt scary of noone...fedor....he just fight whatever who is...he dont even knows who is brock...ahha you have on yoututbe clip...hahaa.....for last dont type your shitty comments here...i did see alot shitty comments here...so pliz go kill yourself..or better go suck yours dad dick...idiot
fedor may have been the best when there was nobody worth fighting. now that theres guys like brock lesnar,shane carwin and caine velasquez on top,he doesnt want anything to do with them unless theres a ridiculous amount of money in it for him.
If you aren't fighting in the UFC you are nobody. Period. The UFC is the NFL of MMA, you think anyone cares about a football player who isn't in the NFL? Or a basketball player who isn't in the NBA? Yeah, didn't think so. Until Fedor fights in the UFC he's overrated and a nobody, but he'll never do that cuz he'll get trashed.
@RamataKAhn you fucking retard....fedeor doesnt needs to go in ufc...he proves in pride...and strikeforce have good hw like overem and barnet.....idito ufc i hate becaus eretards like you....idiot....shame on you
@RamataKAhn you are such a typical arrogant seppo yank. gtfo of youtube and get your hand off your dick and go out and see the world! Fucken dickhead!
i dont understand why everyone hates on fedor. he is a really humble fighter and shows nothing but respect for his opponents just the fact he is not fighting in ufc in my opinion he has nothing to prove and people should get off his back. what he has given to mma as a whole shouldn't be taken lightly.
@Pandabearmadness agreed, people like Fedor and GSP win my heart everytime.. no trash talk, no obnoxiousness.. just simple fighting, respect for your opposition, and being humble in victory. I love MMA, love UFC, buuuut too much trash talking happens in the UFC.. and I'd watch Fedor fight over anyone else whether he's in the UFC or not.. who is to say that the "best" fighters are in the UFC? just cos it has Ultimate in it's title? pfft lol
@Pandabearmadness I respect him as a person, sure, but as a fighter? Unless you are going after the best in the world, you should never ever consider yourself the best. He refuses to fight in the UFC for some reason, and some people might think its because he was scared of the UFC fighters.
@MasterMecha Excpet that no one is a greater threat than the people he has beat throughout his career. Who has Cain or Lesnar beat? Nobody that makes their resume better than Fedors. Not even close. Cain is the best in the UFC right now but his resume is a joke compared to Fedors.
@SCROGY Lol, this has to be a joke. Brett Rogers a greater threat then Cain or Brock? Werdum? Hong-Man Choi? You have to be delusional to think those guys are better then Brock, Cain or even Shane Carwin.
@MasterMecha Try a prime Nog, a prime Cro Cop, a prime Herring. He out struck CC in his prime and beat prime Nog on the ground twice. Werdum is capable of subbing any HW. His BJJ is that good. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think Werdum isn't capable of subbing any HW fighter. Brock is total garbage and has no idea how to take a shot (his stand up is the worst in MMA and his jits sucks), Carwin has shit cardio and the only guy I think is a tough fight for Fedor is Cain.
@SCROGY No, Werdum would not submit any HW. He could submit quite a few, but not all of them. Werdum is not the best HW, period. Beating Fedor now does not mean anything, his record is just stacked. Brock's standup really is bad, thats why hes qualified as a wrestler, not a striker, and hes amazing at that. And "a hard fight"? Really? Cain would wipe his ass with Fedor, it would not be close.
@MasterMecha Yes he could. His BJJ is that good. If you think that Werdum is not capable of subbing ANY HW out there then you should let Sylviho Behring know he's full of shit, and just about any other fighter out there, because they will all say he can. Fedor would KO Carwin in 2 minutes at worst. Fedor's striking is far better than Carwins, his subs are better and his Sambo is more than a match for Carwin's wrestling AND he has cardio for days, and better hand speed.
@MasterMecha I was talking about Cain, for some reason I had Carwin on my mind. Anyway, where did you get your expertise on Fabricios skills? Do you have any idea how good his BJJ is? 2x Abu Dahbi Champion. Nog even said Werdum has by far the best BJJ in the HW division. And Sylviho Behring says it too. Sorry but I'll take the words of experts over a random guy on YT. But still, I'd love to know what logic you base Cain beating Fedor on.
@Pandabearmadness Because most of the people who hate on him are fat ass internet warriors who don't fight, compete or do anything other than **** talk on youtube. If you ask the best fighters in the world who is the best they say Fedor. Now who has more legitimacy to their opinions? Some foul mouthed turd on YT or GSP, Bas, Shields, and all the other fighters that think Fedor is the best?
judo is similar to wrestling in many ways, its not as effective imo but there are take downs and controling the body etc. dont get me wrong, i dont think judo is wrestling, just that it has similaritys
" Those who do not fall, never learn to stand " - Fedor Emelianenko
This man has proven himself over and over to anyone who's had doubts. Its unfortunate that humans today only judge someone by the present and not by their past. Fedor is a mature man who's proven himself countless times that hes the best. We are all human and we win some and lose some.And fedor understands that.He will only get better and better and never stop.
@FabulousZero There is a Russian proverb : "don't piss against the wind, otherwise U'll become all wet". :D Also don't spit at the God, kinda stupid gesture. How one of best figters for the whole history of martial arts can suck ?
@Gaz111333 its not an excuse, its the truth I agree wholeheartadly, if they fought again there is no way Ferdum would win again, Noone is perfect, but it is quite evident Fedor is a superior fighter than ferdum, I think Fedor under estimated him and got in an unfortunate position..
@dchoyt82 yeah, as Fedor declared himself "I had a strong desire to finish this match as soon as possible" taking huge risk and not escaping on two occasions.
fuck fedor losing to werdum, fedor just got a little lazy after winning so fucking much. he will get disciplined again and rape much much harder than before....think about it, if u pwn so much after a while, anyone is bound to get a little lazy.
@MrEdwin619 fedor is a scared pussy, who only fights the weak and is afraid to fight lesnar. lesnar personally called him out on tv ,ON TV! to fight him, and he hasnt even attempt to arrange a fight against lesnar, think about that
@AznAndy562 idiot who is lesanr to call him....who the fuck is lesnar fucking retard........you dotnknow a shit....there is better 20 fighters out there...lesnar is shit....idiot...cain eat him....idiot dont talk shits here anymore...fedor is king of this ssport
@MrEdwin619 I had this happen to me before man i was working so hard because i was highly motivated wanting to be one of the elite in my sport and got better and became satisfied after a while... Now fedor has something to motivate him when you get lazy it usally takes some inspiration or failure to get back to where you want to be
@afroman81290 rampage is a pridefc fighter, there he had his best era. Chuck Lidell got chewed by rampage when he tried pridefc. Crocop and nogueira are past their best time, like when shamrock tried his comeback in pride and got beaten all the time. Shogun is now N.1 in his weight bracket since beating Machida.
@Punj4biUK if they are the same age forgive me, but no i dont think it swings favour to fedor. Brock has a massive size weight advantage. Tbh i think its beyond unfair for Fedor against Brock. UFC has weight divisions for a reason, Every other division is a 10-15lb gap why is it deemed heavy division can have a 60lb gap? This is a main reason why Brock would beat Fedor. Not because Fedor is over hyped or because Brock is better. UFC needs another weight division.
@Punj4biUK yeah but look at what herring looked like after their fight...i dfont think lesnar was just laying on him. so they bothbeatthecrap out of herring. but mir is not a can and couture may be gettingup there in age but he is still a bad MF. I like brock not because he is the champ or he came from the WWE, but because he could very well be the best in the game with a little more work. i just think fedor is over hyped. his managment screws him.
seriously ...everyone has there bad fights and btw @matt4sur3 HTF is fabricio werdum washed up?!? he is bjj champion... just because fedor loses one fight everyone is now saying that he sucks and he is overrated.. did this happen when brock lost a fight?
People who hate on fedor are a joke and know nothing about the sport. uneducated morons. Fedor isnt on Brocks level? wtf.. personally i do think brock would win against fedor only because of the size/weight difference and the fact brock is much younger and has fought less. But fedor has more skill than brock has by a mile.
@still4syntax Actually your completely right, I have said to many friends that the current heavy weight division is too wide of a gap. If you look at any weight division in the ufc depending on the weight theres a 10-20lb spread. but in heavy weight its a massive 60lb gap unlike any other division. UFC needs a cruiser division. Fedor does look chubby but then again he always has, unless you meant chubbier than normal ;) and yes Fedor vs anderson at a catch weight would be awesome.
@kronz21 Wrestling is not MMA. Yes some of it translates into MMA but not all, and some of the stuff that does translate, you still have to learn the dangers and differences those techniques comes with when applied in a Non wrestling scenario. Fedor has trained and Competed at Top level MMA for over 10years. Brock only a few. Brock beat Randy but Randy has more skill than Brock (imho). No MMA isnt all about skill, its a combination factors like Technique/Experience/Fitness/Strength/Speed.
@boeos wrestling based fighters dominate every weight class in ufc. sure you need more than just wrestling but you have to start somewhere and that seems to be the best way to start off.
defently agree that mma ist all about skill, you forgot something though, fighting IQ. not to mention luck.
@kronz21 so Anderson silva, Shogun and GSP are wrestling based? I agree Wrestling is great in MMA but not the end all. You cant solo rely on just 1 factor or even 2 any more, just being a wrestler makes your gameplan obvious to your opponents, you have to learn the other apsects just for defense sake. Alot of the "wrestling based" fighters are well versed in submission/BJJ and striking.
did you even read my comment?i said domanate i didnt say every single fighter and actually gsp uses alot of wrestling and is one of the best wrestlers in the ufc.
again did you read my comment?i said its the best martial art to start off with and if you only know one martial art its the best one to have.of course no martial art is perfect,idealy you would master all of them but of course that ist realistic,that said fighters should always be working on there weakness and learning new things.
@kronz21 Ummm ok did i read your comment? maybe you shouldnt write generalised flawed statements. You said, your own words "wrestling based fighters dominate every weight class in ufc." Well when 3 of the divisions are being held by more all rounded fighters, wrestling clearly isnt dominating those divisions are they.
Yes Wrestling is great base, But in this era MMA being more popular you can learn MMA as a pure sport now from the very start of your life. Rather than the Generation before.
@boeos just because you know more than just wrestling doesnt make you not a wrestler and anyways i said wrestling based nothing more, they could be all around fighters now for sure but there still wrestling based.
frankie edger just beat(again! lol) the best light weight in history(bj penn) and with what? wrestling. what was he in college? a wrestler lol
the only champions that dont use wrestling are anderson silva and Maurício Rua and anderson silva was recently just dominated by a wrestler like i said before but got out with a lucky submission.
gsp if you notices uses wrestling more than his other abilitys. no question he's a world class striker( more specifially muay tui artist) as well though.
@boeos the real question is how many top level wrestlers have they beaten? not many if any. honestly if you really want ill look at every fighter they fought in the ufc and tell you if any were top level wrestlers, i gurentee you the number will be low if any.
come on man iam giveing you facts here and you choose just to ignore them. please give me some facts that support your views, id like to see them. all you do is try to tell me this is how it is believe it or your wrong lol.
@kronz21 You havnt given any facts at all. What facts have you given other than your opinion? which doesnt count as fact btw. Your stating your opinion and im stating mine.
This all started with your comment of "wrestling is dominating all UFC divisions"
your agree with this statement, i disagree. This isnt Fact. this is your opinion well welcome to mine.
ive given you links that sambo is in fact wrestling. ive told you that most legends in the sport had a wrestling base. ive given you examples of fights like silva getting dominated by wrestling. ive even told you that every division in the ufc is dominated by guys who either have a wrestling base or who have learned how to wrestle like gsp, and now gsp uses more wrestling that any other form of martial art in his fights. honestly go though the divisions and try to prove me wrong, you wont.
@kronz21 You say the weight divisions are dominated by wrestlers i say they arent. ofc wrestling is going to hold some factors because its MMA for christs sake, every one has to have some form of ground/grappling skill. but you seem to just want to focus on Greco/Freestyle. People Striking BJJ and other forms dont seem to count for squat. Look at Matt Serra what makes him Good? his Wrestling or his BJJ or the encorporation of the 2. I guess only his wrestling made him what he is today? =/
i never said wrestling was all you needed to be a champion or even a top contendor for that matter. all i said was if you had only one martial art to start off with wrestling is the best single martial art to half. i dont know were your getting that wrestling is all you need, ive said that you need more to be a champion. only that wrestling is the best way to get your foot in the door, does that make sense? there are of course other ways to skin a cat but the best way is though wrestling
@kronz21 Well maybe back in the day Wrestling or BJJ could of been the best 1 thing to learn. But today MMA is main stream and so large now (although stil growing) you have people who are learning Pure MMA, So you dont have to learn just wrestling first or just BJJ.
Yes there is many ways to skin a Cat, best way not sure but a good way. il give you that.
@kronz21 look man end of the day its like i said earlier, Youtube is a pretty shitty platform to have a debate. Your still probably thinking "fuck me this guy is a dumbass" and im thinking we just cant really convey our selves across properly. We probably agree more than what we disagree on believe it or not. having a limited amount to of characters doesnt help us elaborate much. tbh speaking to each other we would probably find out we have alot in common.
@kronz21 As for GSP using alot of wrestling, yes he does, Its MMA is it not? its uses alot of every thing, So wouldnt you think a good MMA fighter is going to have a Good understanding or most of the areas?
End of the day if you learned BJJ, Wrestling or any Form of stand up before staring MMA , you still have a massive amount to learn.
@boeos not many guys that dont have a wrestling base use wrestling though, gsp is on of the few. name me another guy without a wrestling base that uses wrestling? its a waste if your not good at it.
yeah but you have a better chance with wrestling, lesner is a great example, and no him being big and strong ist what makes him a champion. smaller guys beat bigger guys all the time in mma, if strength was all you needed there would be a bunch of body builders in mma but you dont see that.
@kronz21 Im sorry hes a good wrestler yes but that doesnt = outstanding MMA. when the division is 265lb cap and Brock walks around 300lb in real life and cuts down. its not his skill winning at all, You seriously think his Size/Strength plays no factor in his fights? Look at Brock vs Randy Couture do you really think Brock skill wise is equal to randy? because i sure dont.
@boeos of course it has an effect on the fight but a so called skillless fighter(lesner) ist going to win a fight just because he's strong. mir is 265 pounds too now do you see him walking though people? no. lesner walks around at about 280 not 300. plus when you cut weight your not 100% come fight night, its really not that big of an advantage.
@kronz21 no strength alone doesnt win and ive never advocated that it does. As earlier i stated its a combination of things like technique/speed/strength/size/fitness.
and Brock make up is not loads of skill as you try to make out. That not to say he has no skill. its just not his outstanding attribute.
@boeos you just said lesner beat couture because he's stronger lol
yes you have to learn other things, ive said before that your right abou that but if you had to rely on one thing, wrestling would get you the furthest up the ladder. controling the body is just so important in mma, fighting in general, you control the body you control the fight and that's what wrestlers do.
@kronz21 Well lets put it this way if Brock was the same size as Randy. Randy would of won. No way does Brock have the skill or knowledge of Randy Couture in MMA. Also i never said or claim Brock lesnar is "skillless"
And plenty of fighters can cut weight fine with no troubles. If it wasnt an advantage people wouldnt do it! This further shows that you dont seem to understand size and strength can help. Yes if you cut too much you can be very dehydrated.
@boeos iam not going to argue either way if lesner would lose or win if he was the same size as couture, that's imposible to know either way.
i never said it wasnt an advantage i said its not a huge advantage. that's exactly right you get dehydrated and no matter how good you are at cutting weight you wont be 100% come fight night.
@kronz21 Look end of the day you believe Lesnar has lots of skill in mma due to his wrestling. I dont share that opinion So lets agree to diagree, thats all we can do because we are just going to go in circles. As part of your argument for Brock lesnar we got into a Wrestling debate. I love Wrestling and thinks its great with out doubt. I personally believe or it seems to me that you give off the impression wrestling is more important or superior than other formats. again agree to disagree.
@boeos if lesner doesnt have alot of skill how is he champion? why? because he's strong? than why ist mir champion? he's 265 and why dont body builders do mma than if strength is so improtant? there are a much of strong guys in mma that would be shit in the ufc, alot of strength is only a plus not required. remember technique always beats strength.
@kronz21 You see heres the problem no where have i ever said lesnar has no skill. Only that fedor has more skill. To have more of something must mean person A must have skill in the first place. im not even going to get into your sarcastic comment on body builders. Yes Lesnar is a good wrestler but wrestling isnt everything in MMA, as far as im concerned thats a fact proven years ago in MMA's history. All im sayin gis Lesners physical attributes Help him alot combined with his Skill.
your right about henderson except he didnt even use any wrestling in that fight, and anyways silva is an exception, he's the best pound for pound guy in the world lol
but when a guy uses top level wrestling on him look what happened lol
that ist even the point though i said wrestling it the best single style to have, not that other forms arent improtant, they defently are. it just seems that the best fighters have a wrestling backround and than obviously learn branch out to other things
@kronz21as for A. silva Im sorry but imho I just dont think 1 off fights proove any thing or are enough to back up any theories until more fights have happened to which you can then try to see a trend. but ok like you say this point is here nor there and I agree.
Now this really all goes back to the lesner/fedor debate in which you said dont forget Lesner was a high skilled wrestler.
And again Just wrestling on it own at UFC level doesnt mean shit unless you learn other things to bolster it.
that's the diffrence too, between just a another wrestler and lesner.lesner is a two time two time champion. he lost what like 5 times in 4 years!and avenged all his loses. he defently still has alot more potential though thats the scary part.
you could flip the phrase back on me but you'd be wrong.you said that wrestling mean shit in mma, and that ,that's all he was good at so inturn yes you did say he was an unskilled mma fighter
@kronz21 Yes technique beats strength of equal proportions. Given the right combinations of fitness strength technique etc an excess of one can help out. Again this goes back to the weight margins in the divisions, the fact you see that most of lesners competitors have given away large size disadvantages.
@boeos mir and carwin both weigh 265 as well, so he hasnt always had a big weight advantage. plus strength ist everything phically, speed and agility are great too.
lesner had branched out before he even had his first offical fight, he has actually out boxed some of his oppenents for the short time the fight was on the feet. he also just submitted carwin with a BJJ move. Not just a wrestler my friend but still a damn good wrestler that's for sure, probably the best in mma.
@kronz21 look at all the divisions 15-20lb gap. Heavy weight has a 50+lb gap there needs to be a cruiser division. Also if you look at the divisions you will see nearly every fighter cuts weight to a lower division, Because its an advantage.
As for your analysis of wrestling will get you further up the ladder we will have to agree to disagree.
another great example is chael sonnen,sure he lost against anderson silva but thats just because he got caught in a submission.he owned silva and on any other day he would have walked out the champion.what did he use the whole fight? wrestling! what did gsp use to beat dan hardy? wrestling!
who are legends in the ufc?corture,hughes,ortiz, lidell, colemon, shamrock. what are all of them?wrestlers!
honestly look up some of the top contenders on wiki, most have amatuar wrestling backrounds
@kronz21 Well its MMA you have to have wrestling, same as you have to have standup and BJJ. No singular set of skills will see you win unless you make up with it in some other factor... in Brocks case Size/physical capability.
the names Mentioned above have all sought out and learned BJJ and standup (well minus Coleman) as you mention above they are wrestling based but please dont undervalue standup and BJJ.
There are plenty of other successful fighters out there that arent Wrestling based.
@kronz21 ok where do i start on this one...Matt hughes beat Royce gracie using MMA not pure wrestling. I like how you only see what you want to see, Matt hughes is a very well rounded fighter who is well versed in submission and striking aswel as wrestling. Yes matt hughes is heavily Wrestling based But if it wasnt to the gracies BJJ all those years ago opening the eyes to the world. Matt hughes wouldnt be the well rounded figter he is today. And this some how doesnt make gracie a legend of MMA?
@kronz21 I like how you seem to twist every thing in favour of Wrestling.
Igor Vovchanchyn "had a sambo background which is a form of wrestling"....Say what now... You seem to think Wrestling is all forms of Grappling its not Wrestling is free style or Greco not sambo they both are simular and have grappling. But you now want to some how make out igor vovchancyn is a wrestler. Just NO.
@kronz21 In MMA a wrestler is percieved to be some one with a Greco or Freestyle background not Sambo. You cant talk about Wrestling (Greco/Freestyle) and then try to claim the identities of other sports under your claim. Therefore Igor Vovchanchyn was not wrestling based.
You can not convince me that Vovchanchyn was wrestling based because he had a sambo background.
Just one question then would you call non-GI BJJ, Wrestling?
@boeos no, i sent you that link showing you that sambo is considered a type of wrestling, if that's not enough for you than nothing is. i give you facts you choose to ignore them yet again.
@kronz21 im sorry but i dednt appear to get your link, but im not here to debate Sambo. The point is, in MMA when soem one says a Wrestling background they assume a Greco or Freestyle background not Sambo! the fact your tryign to make out Igor Vovchanyns success is due to his Wrestling background is absurd. You just seem take peoples successes and attribute them all to wrestling. Your comming off nothing more than a Wrestling fanboi.
@boeos iam a mui tai fan boy too but you dont see me talking that up. iam just being realistic and too further my point i just heard joe rogan say the same thing about wrestling on a fight i was watching on the 100 greatest fights dvd, so its not just me.
that wouldnt mean fedor would out wrestle lesner, lesner may be the better wrestler of the two you dont know either way intill they fight lol
i dont take anderson silva, machida, shogun or bj penns succes to wrestling.
glad to hear it too,theres something just so beutiful about the art.
let me put it this away about wrestling, i used to think only fags wrestled when i was in high school but now that iam in college i kinda wish i wrestled in high school. when you learn whats going on its pretty entertaining too.
you know what if we were debateing this in real life iam sure it would last 5 min maybe 10 tops.probably wouldnt get anywhere so we'd have a good laugh and than probably go watch some mma lol
@kronz21 In that case fedor should out Wrestle Lesner due to his Sambo background, i think not some how.
The fact you think that 1 fight proves your point is stupid, when there is many other fights to suggest otherwise. Look at A.Silva vs Henderson that worked out well, not. therefore based on that 1 fight i must be right(sarcasm).
i dont even know why iam replying to you again.your the only person ive ever commented to online that doesnt know how to interpret what he reads but ill give you one last shot,ill try to be as descriptive and exact as i can be in my points.maybe i should type slow for you too lol
just cause you think of wrestling as greeco or freestyle doesnt make sambo not wrestling,i bet at one time you didnt even know wrestling was considered a martial art.just because you dont know doesnt make it not true
@kronz21 You know I could say the exact same phrase and flip it back at you.
For some one who miss quotes me on things such as saying i said "lesner has no skill" etc when indeed i did not, to then tell me I cant interpret what i read oh the irony!
ps the speed at which you type does not effect the speed in which people read! ha see i made a funny!
@kronz21 Now my point still stands that I and many others when some one states they have a Wrestling background in MMA especially the UFC we assume Greco or Freestyle not Sambo! Sambo being a wrestling form is merely semantical decritpion of what it is, its also reffered to as being simular to judo but this is all here nor there because the key point is Igor Vovchanchyn was not successful because of a wrestling base.
They dont say heres Fedor, hes a wrestler or he has a wrestling background.
too sum up,your right wrestling ist everything you need to learn other aspects but knowing wrestling is the best start you can have but i will admit you most likely wont become a champion intill you learn other aspects.one of my favorite prospects is mr wonderful, phil davis and he is a great example of a guy that has basically nothing but wrestling but still is undefeted in mma,he is working on his bjj bladk belt and has just got his blue recently.he basically has no stand up right now either.
@kronz21 Lets just try and establish some thing we both agree on.
To be the best MMA fighter you need to be Well versed in Wrestling/SubmissionBJJ/Standup. You cannot lack either one in the UFC if you are to become successful.
The UFC/MMA is more About the individual rather than his Disciplines. eg his composition of Techniques/Physical Attributes/Experince/Skill and so n so fourth.
@kronz21 I appreciate your only saying Fedor isnt that much *MORE* skilled, But i think given the comparison of the 2 fighters, Brock is still pretty fresh although time is moving on as fast as ever and he is learning more and more day by day. You have to realise though in MMA you never stop learning, Never. Just look at the fedor loss, He will have taken away many new things to learn and improve on.
I hope people realize: Fedor doesn't care about SHIT. He doesn't care about ratings, internet opinions, callouts, or the UFC. He makes a shit ton of money, but chooses to live like a peasant in his hometown. He is from a different culture than us. He wants to be in his little town, with his family and friends, and go to church. He said fighting isn't even a passion, it's just a job. Give the guy some respect, he's old-school. He has different priorities than a typical MMA "star".
@greenfruitface Glad to hear that someone actually gets it. I find it funny that most people here (North America) assume that everyone wants to be the richest and the most famous person in whatever they do and that if they don't accomplish this then they're just not good enough. From what I've learned about Fedor he just doesn't care. He fights for work and the celebrity that he does have is simply through association.
dude fedor lost to a UFC REJECT you idiots. The only chance fedor would have against brock would be in a RING. In a CAGE lesnar would pin him up against the cage and maul him like mir. fedor is fading away. his time is over, he had the greatest run EVER and should be considered the Greatest fighter of all time but hes just to small now and needs to hang it up. Uberreem would kill fedor,lesnar, JDS,caine,carwin would all beat fedor now.
@still4syntax Fedor won't get knocked out, his jaw is too good. And all this fedor trash talk is a joke, the guy is THE best P4P fighter, yeah he lost his last fight, shit happens, that's BJJ it's designed to capitalize on mistakes and unfortunately Fedor thought he had him rocked more then he actually did went in made a mistake got lazy couldn't get outta it and took the L. I am tired of UFC fans talking trash about Fedor, no MMA fan ever will.
@wanadorm You're an idiot. Hands down a total idiot. You're a UFC fan clearly, not an MMA fan. UFC does not mean best in sport fyi. Also Werdum is very skilled in BJJ, and the only reason fedor lost was because of BJJ, which is designed to find a mistake and take advantage fedor thought the guy was more rocked then he was and lost, look at your lover boy Lesnar, he got caught by BJJ too. Fedor went 33 fights with out losing... Knocking out most of your precious UFC champs.
lesnar has nothing to offer fedor lol I am suprised that his manger hasn't said that one yet the only resaon fedor is not in the ufc is because he knows he will lose and all the years of false hype will catch up with him one thing I have learned in life is people are stupid they will believe what you tell them to without looking into it for themselves the people here that agree with me have done the research for themselves and know what i'm saying is true. Just look for yourself and you will see
@myspacejamesphoenix no fighting nobodys for the last 5 years does put his status in question though. i mean who has he really fought since 05? why would he fight werdum rather than the champ there overeem? because they figured overeem would beat him and they figured werdum wouldn't.. too bad they were wrong.
@feloniouss nobodies like tim sylvia and andre arlovski? you're an idiot. Werent both of these guys heavyweight champions in the oh so badass and always bragged about UFC?
@jusmetya This guy has to be a troll. How could someone be so dumb? He dismantled two former UFC champions with ease. He beat everyone out there except for an elderly Couture and Lesnar.
@jusmetya i never bragged about silva. arlovski was pretty good. now haw many people has fedor fought with worse records than lesnar.. hell how many has he fought with ZERO wins.... he was good WAS... so was ken shamrock, but now he cant hang.. same story with fedor
@myspacejamesphoenix lol overeem is the champ.... thats what he has to offer he is the best in there atm and fedors promoters dont want him to fight overeem because they know he would get beat.. but werdum beat him in 69 sec a man released fromn the UFC. sorry i have my eyes opend and just dont think someone is the best because the media and his promoters say so. lol he beats people who are FORMER champs he couldnt touch a few of the HW in the ufc.. thats it in a nutshell man
@feloniouss You're ignoring what I said--which is a typical troll tactic. He beat Schilt --who is better than Overeem. So why should he fight Overeem? All that would happen is he'd be dragged to the ground and beaten. Lesnar beat two former UFC champs as if they were nothing. Who does he have left to fight? Lesnar, Barnett, and that's it. You're delusional. And after seeing Lesnar fight tonight--he doesn't look impressive at all. He was being demolished in the standup.
@myspacejamesphoenix lol ok man who has the belt now there?? overeem.. So who is the best there after saying that?/ Overeem.. Who did fedor fight?? werdum. Why??? you can keep your head in the sand and beleive the hype out there. fedor has a legacy that they are worried about getting messed up. he comes to the ufc and start eating loss after loss his rep gets tainted so he goes to strikeforce where ha can fight rogers with no wrestling back ground and look at what he did to fedor... please man..
@feloniouss Thanks for ignoring all my points again troll. Rogers was a big guy with a lot of power--much bigger than Fedor. He had everything to lose by taking that fight. He can't fight in the UFC because Dana won't concede anything Fedor's management wants. He doesn't need to anyway because he destroyed two UFC champs as if they were nothing. Overeem is one of the worst champions ever. He's no Schilt (do you even know who that is) and he has no ground game compared to Fedor. He lost to Chuck!
@myspacejamesphoenix not ignoring anything what i am doing is stating facts.. overeem is the champ. that makes him the top in strikeforce HW atm. but fedors promoters wont let him fight overeem.. why.. you can say he has nothing for fedor but that is laughable. now rogers wasw a joke a sams club worker who trained part time in mma.. yeah he had alot for fedor didnt he.. lol and you are right fedor does have everything to lose by taking a fight with a 2nd rate fighter
@feloniouss Do you get why he had everthing to lose by fighting Rogers? He had everything to lose because Rogers was a big strong guy and so he had a puncher's chance against anyone. He was dangerous, and if Fedor lost he would lose a lot of cred since Rogers was not a 'name' despite being dangerous. There's no heavyweight that has a better record than Fedor--so how is he overrated? You're delusional or a troll mang!
@myspacejamesphoenix well yeah i do see that but then my question is why the hell was he fighting him?? whats overeems record ? more wins than fedor. sure more losses but more fights over all. fedor has fought alot of cans.. you know people with worse records than what lesnar has.. he has faught a few fighters with NO wins so yes fedor is over rated. he is good that i agree with but the best no.. it is easy to pad a racord fighting scrubs sorry man sad but true
@feloniouss alot of it is due to his douchbag management, who were trying to use his record as a bargaining chip, perhaps now that he lost to werdum, hell take fighting seriously again, and start taking on more top competitors, fedor is still young enough to fight, and hopefully he will show the world that he still is the best.
@myspacejamesphoenix hrmm how to respond to such a well thought out argument... how about why dont you get fedors nuts out of your mouth and openyour eyes. Fedor beats rogers...rogersgoes on to fight for the belt. Why?? i wont say fedor.thepeople who own him know if he loses he isnt worth as much. So he fough fedor and lost.... NOW they are talking about him fighting overeem... LoL guess u have to lose in strikeforce to get a title shot...Thatis what makes strikeforce a joke IMO
@myspacejamesphoenix and he may have beat 2 EX ufc champs. but destroy i dont think is the way i would put it. but think what you want man i dont really care. i am a fedor fan but when he decided to sign with strikeforce then he dont fight the top dogs even there i saw him in a different light. thime for him to retire so the people like you can keep thinking he is a god.
@matt4sur3 it didn't really took a washed up ex UFC fighter to prove it.... it TOOK MANY washed up UFC fighters to prove it.. YOU ALL TALK NOW THAT HE LOST... BUT YOU GUYS WERE SILENT THE 32 OTHER FIGHTS.
@shogrran if there was no cage to help lesnar from getting mounted he would be 4-2 right now. hows 4-2 compare to 31-1? im sure fedor could take a 3-7 record asian guy an OLD couture and frank mir and he beat herring so brock don't have much on him hes lucky hes not 4-2 lmfao. fedors just to conditioned for lesnar he could submit him easy if he didn't knock him out, fedors had heavier on his back
@dukeslaps naa.. im a fedor fan.. but still.. when you're fighting theres no 31-1 or 4-2 inside the ring. Its just you and the other guy. Theres always that chance for both to make that mistake.
And people wonder why Anderson was overly careful against Maia and Leites.If he isnt better than "The Last Emperor"(eyeroll)he is certainly smarter haha!
I know Anderson and his camp are some where choking on their own spit with laughter over the P4P discussion after Fedor's epic fail tonight lol!Werdum played dead and Fedor fell for it.Yup whos the dumb ape now haha!
Brock Lesnar, the most over rated fighter in the world. Can someone plz put up his record?
mondoftw 11 months ago
fedor would steamroll over lesnar just like velasquez - he has his striking power , alot more stamina and a lot more expierience.
fedor vs velasquez - not so sure though. it's possible that fedor could lose.
lk1407 1 year ago
@lk1407
Fedor only steamrolls on your mom's vagina, you nut-breeder.
Rookerman32 1 year ago
u cant compare fedor 2 lensar i mean even if fedor lost 2 lensar he still is a better fighter than brock ,u just cant compare i mean look at fedors skills and at lensar skills its simple as that fedor m8 end up killing lensar 95 percent
osama559 1 year ago
@trojanhorse1994 Ooohh, you caught a typo and a couplr of purposely mispells... too bad you didn't have anything to refute my statement though.
RamataKAhn 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn Ufc is a joke. But im a hypocrite cause I watch UFC. But Pride FC had so much more action more everything, then what Ufc had.
trojanhorse1994 1 year ago
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RamataKAhn 1 year ago
Brok Lesnar e una marıoneta...you dont understand nothıng...sa-mı sugı pula tu sı Lesnar...FEEDOR IT IS THE BEST
finelefe1 1 year ago 5
@finelefe1 i agree, i think, undeafeted for 10 years, thats badass
evalroach666 1 year ago
I miss the less restrained combat forum of the Pride label. - Anyone trying to cast negative aspersions about Fedor, claiming he's less than one of the greatest MMA fighters in history, is simply displaying thier ignorance, and how new they are to the sport.
beefgator 1 year ago
It's all good ... free speech and all..... but as long as everybody here understands.... you should'nt place Fedor lower than he deserves, cuz he is A TOP fighter ... the man fought plenty of great/Extreme fighters... last I checked two off the top of my head.... ummm... Nogi... and Randleman... we could go on. So remember that.
twobad11 1 year ago
It's all good ... free speech and all..... but as long as everybody here understands.... you should'nt place Fedor ... the man fought plenty of great/Extreme fighters... last I checked two off the top of my head.... ummm... Nogi... and Randleman... we could go on. So remember that.
twobad11 1 year ago
everytime someone post a comment on a mma page u get Roid heads talkin shit tring to defend this pussy!!! He lost to a bum and u fags say brock is shit cause he just lost when he has never had matches with tiny japs and washed up used to be ufc fighters hahahaha yall need to get his dick out your asses and wise up maggots THE UFC IS REAL TALENT all the rest are pretend wanna be fight programs thats will never last!!! So try to justify it about money or whatever reason you want to make up!!!!!
MemphisTrouble 1 year ago
@MemphisTrouble You sound "well hard", really intelligent and knowledgable I wish I was as hard as you. You sound so charismatic as well, I wish I was also as intelligent as you!!! Also pls can you clarify (if it's Fedor's opponents you are refering to as your sentence structure has confused me) who are these little japs? The only Japanese fighter that Fedor has fought in the last 5 years is Hong Man Choi at 7'2 and 23st perhaps its just me again!! but I wouldnt describe him as a "little jap"
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
Oh yeah the UFC is the REAL TALENT and Brock Lesnar is the best, It's amazing how much you know. I bet Fedor wishes he has Brock's 5 win (at least 2 of which he very nearly lost!!!) and 2 loss record, what a legend. I take it you are well into the WWF or WWE and this is where your vast wealth of knowledge about fighting comes from? You are better off posting on WWE forums where they all beleive what happens between Hulk Hogan & Brock Lesnar breaking doors and walls etc is real!"off the top rope"
ashworthsteven 1 year ago
Fedor, "My losing was a necessary step, on my website people message me saying, "I am God." I do not want to be God, but I thank God for everything."
ZeroStarWave 1 year ago
bas rutten hi is the best.. lol
007alagah 1 year ago
fedor is a pussy plain and simple all you people defending him must watch jv football games and say bet they could beat varsity!!! everyone knows that the ufc is where all the real talent is and all his fights are washed up castouts or people that arent good enough for ufc so until he proves it all you jock riders need to stfu and admit he is scared of the ufc!!!
MemphisTrouble 1 year ago
@MemphisTrouble everyone knows that you are retard.....moron...what ufc is talents..i dotn say there are good fighters...but in strikeforce have good hw maybe better fedor overme barnet....in ufc hw only good are jds and cain...all other are shit......seond ufc cant stay with PRIDE...IDIOT learn somethnig or you start watch since 2 years...how sad and pathetic...idiot....learn something....hahaha..he is fear of who brock hahaah...brock is shit...only cain and jds are good..but
zeus5306 1 year ago
@MemphisTrouble best fighter off all time isnt scary of noone...fedor....he just fight whatever who is...he dont even knows who is brock...ahha you have on yoututbe clip...hahaa.....for last dont type your shitty comments here...i did see alot shitty comments here...so pliz go kill yourself..or better go suck yours dad dick...idiot
zeus5306 1 year ago
fedor may have been the best when there was nobody worth fighting. now that theres guys like brock lesnar,shane carwin and caine velasquez on top,he doesnt want anything to do with them unless theres a ridiculous amount of money in it for him.
sur13psycho575ctr 1 year ago
If you aren't fighting in the UFC you are nobody. Period. The UFC is the NFL of MMA, you think anyone cares about a football player who isn't in the NFL? Or a basketball player who isn't in the NBA? Yeah, didn't think so. Until Fedor fights in the UFC he's overrated and a nobody, but he'll never do that cuz he'll get trashed.
RamataKAhn 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn i agree with you..fedor is scared bitch
HULKMANEC 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn LMFAO Pride was way better then UFC
trojanhorse1994 1 year ago
@trojanhorse1994 Yeah, that why pride is still around, BECAUSE IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER AMIRITE GUYZ???
RamataKAhn 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn Learn how to spell correctly.... Then come back to me (:
trojanhorse1994 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn you fucking retard....fedeor doesnt needs to go in ufc...he proves in pride...and strikeforce have good hw like overem and barnet.....idito ufc i hate becaus eretards like you....idiot....shame on you
zeus5306 1 year ago
@RamataKAhn you are such a typical arrogant seppo yank. gtfo of youtube and get your hand off your dick and go out and see the world! Fucken dickhead!
mondoftw 11 months ago
@mondoftw Nice anger issues there kid, calm down now, it's not my fault you're a crybaby.
RamataKAhn 11 months ago
i dont understand why everyone hates on fedor. he is a really humble fighter and shows nothing but respect for his opponents just the fact he is not fighting in ufc in my opinion he has nothing to prove and people should get off his back. what he has given to mma as a whole shouldn't be taken lightly.
Pandabearmadness 1 year ago 15
@Pandabearmadness agreed, people like Fedor and GSP win my heart everytime.. no trash talk, no obnoxiousness.. just simple fighting, respect for your opposition, and being humble in victory. I love MMA, love UFC, buuuut too much trash talking happens in the UFC.. and I'd watch Fedor fight over anyone else whether he's in the UFC or not.. who is to say that the "best" fighters are in the UFC? just cos it has Ultimate in it's title? pfft lol
Britishbulldog87 1 year ago
@Pandabearmadness I respect him as a person, sure, but as a fighter? Unless you are going after the best in the world, you should never ever consider yourself the best. He refuses to fight in the UFC for some reason, and some people might think its because he was scared of the UFC fighters.
MasterMecha 1 year ago
@MasterMecha Excpet that no one is a greater threat than the people he has beat throughout his career. Who has Cain or Lesnar beat? Nobody that makes their resume better than Fedors. Not even close. Cain is the best in the UFC right now but his resume is a joke compared to Fedors.
SCROGY 1 year ago
@SCROGY Lol, this has to be a joke. Brett Rogers a greater threat then Cain or Brock? Werdum? Hong-Man Choi? You have to be delusional to think those guys are better then Brock, Cain or even Shane Carwin.
MasterMecha 1 year ago
@MasterMecha Try a prime Nog, a prime Cro Cop, a prime Herring. He out struck CC in his prime and beat prime Nog on the ground twice. Werdum is capable of subbing any HW. His BJJ is that good. You have no idea what you're talking about if you think Werdum isn't capable of subbing any HW fighter. Brock is total garbage and has no idea how to take a shot (his stand up is the worst in MMA and his jits sucks), Carwin has shit cardio and the only guy I think is a tough fight for Fedor is Cain.
SCROGY 1 year ago
@SCROGY No, Werdum would not submit any HW. He could submit quite a few, but not all of them. Werdum is not the best HW, period. Beating Fedor now does not mean anything, his record is just stacked. Brock's standup really is bad, thats why hes qualified as a wrestler, not a striker, and hes amazing at that. And "a hard fight"? Really? Cain would wipe his ass with Fedor, it would not be close.
MasterMecha 1 year ago
@MasterMecha Yes he could. His BJJ is that good. If you think that Werdum is not capable of subbing ANY HW out there then you should let Sylviho Behring know he's full of shit, and just about any other fighter out there, because they will all say he can. Fedor would KO Carwin in 2 minutes at worst. Fedor's striking is far better than Carwins, his subs are better and his Sambo is more than a match for Carwin's wrestling AND he has cardio for days, and better hand speed.
SCROGY 1 year ago
@SCROGY Cain = Carwin now? Didnt know that! Also, no, Werdum is not "THAT GOOD". He just beat Fedor, thats all.
MasterMecha 1 year ago
@MasterMecha I was talking about Cain, for some reason I had Carwin on my mind. Anyway, where did you get your expertise on Fabricios skills? Do you have any idea how good his BJJ is? 2x Abu Dahbi Champion. Nog even said Werdum has by far the best BJJ in the HW division. And Sylviho Behring says it too. Sorry but I'll take the words of experts over a random guy on YT. But still, I'd love to know what logic you base Cain beating Fedor on.
SCROGY 1 year ago
@Pandabearmadness Because most of the people who hate on him are fat ass internet warriors who don't fight, compete or do anything other than **** talk on youtube. If you ask the best fighters in the world who is the best they say Fedor. Now who has more legitimacy to their opinions? Some foul mouthed turd on YT or GSP, Bas, Shields, and all the other fighters that think Fedor is the best?
SCROGY 1 year ago
judo is similar to wrestling in many ways, its not as effective imo but there are take downs and controling the body etc. dont get me wrong, i dont think judo is wrestling, just that it has similaritys
kronz21 1 year ago
i guaranteeee you if someone would sponsor 5 $Million for Fedor V Brock they would be fighting next month
HardBodyNyC 1 year ago
" Those who do not fall, never learn to stand " - Fedor Emelianenko
This man has proven himself over and over to anyone who's had doubts. Its unfortunate that humans today only judge someone by the present and not by their past. Fedor is a mature man who's proven himself countless times that hes the best. We are all human and we win some and lose some.And fedor understands that.He will only get better and better and never stop.
joonbug510 1 year ago
fedor sucks, seriously guyz, stop hugging his nuts
FabulousZero 1 year ago
@FabulousZero There is a Russian proverb : "don't piss against the wind, otherwise U'll become all wet". :D Also don't spit at the God, kinda stupid gesture. How one of best figters for the whole history of martial arts can suck ?
Yigor2 1 year ago
living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see - "Strawberry Fields Forever" by Beatles =)
hellscience 1 year ago
ferdum got lucky, the brazilian bastard knows it
Gaz111333 1 year ago
@Gaz111333 THANK YOU!!!! i think there will be a rematch and fedor will MURDER him!!! (which has happened with fedor, his previous "loss")
kichukdave 1 year ago
@Gaz111333 its not an excuse, its the truth I agree wholeheartadly, if they fought again there is no way Ferdum would win again, Noone is perfect, but it is quite evident Fedor is a superior fighter than ferdum, I think Fedor under estimated him and got in an unfortunate position..
dchoyt82 1 year ago
@dchoyt82 yeah, as Fedor declared himself "I had a strong desire to finish this match as soon as possible" taking huge risk and not escaping on two occasions.
Yigor2 1 year ago
I still laugh when I watch fatty tap out.
eyetolduso 1 year ago
fuck fedor losing to werdum, fedor just got a little lazy after winning so fucking much. he will get disciplined again and rape much much harder than before....think about it, if u pwn so much after a while, anyone is bound to get a little lazy.
MrEdwin619 1 year ago 9
@MrEdwin619 lol hahaha
Gaz111333 1 year ago
@MrEdwin619 fedor is a scared pussy, who only fights the weak and is afraid to fight lesnar. lesnar personally called him out on tv ,ON TV! to fight him, and he hasnt even attempt to arrange a fight against lesnar, think about that
AznAndy562 1 year ago
@AznAndy562 idiot who is lesanr to call him....who the fuck is lesnar fucking retard........you dotnknow a shit....there is better 20 fighters out there...lesnar is shit....idiot...cain eat him....idiot dont talk shits here anymore...fedor is king of this ssport
zeus5306 1 year ago
@MrEdwin619 I had this happen to me before man i was working so hard because i was highly motivated wanting to be one of the elite in my sport and got better and became satisfied after a while... Now fedor has something to motivate him when you get lazy it usally takes some inspiration or failure to get back to where you want to be
Obi1BenoBEE30 1 year ago
Dan Henderson- Went to UFC lost to Rampage Jackson and Anderson Silva
Wanderlei Silva- Went to UFC and lost to Chuck Liddell/Jackson/Franklin
Mirko Filipović- Went to UFC and lost two Gonzaga and Kongo
Mauricio Rua- Went to UFC and lost debut to Forrest Griffin
Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira- Went to ufc got lucky a few times and then lost to Mir/Cain
Takanori Gomi- Went to ufc and lost to Kenny Florian
Fedor- Saw what happend to all the pride fighters and avoided ufc like the plague ever sense.
afroman81290 1 year ago
@afroman81290 rampage is a pridefc fighter, there he had his best era. Chuck Lidell got chewed by rampage when he tried pridefc. Crocop and nogueira are past their best time, like when shamrock tried his comeback in pride and got beaten all the time. Shogun is now N.1 in his weight bracket since beating Machida.
So your argument is not valid in any point.
laokon 1 year ago
@afroman81290 and where did Anderson Silva lose??? yeah thats right PRIDE. Do your fucking homework before you rant on youtube. Dickhead!
mondoftw 11 months ago
The reason Fedor doesn’t smile a lot is because his smile causes all men who look at him directly to have intense orgasms on sight.
Rookerman32 1 year ago
@Punj4biUK if they are the same age forgive me, but no i dont think it swings favour to fedor. Brock has a massive size weight advantage. Tbh i think its beyond unfair for Fedor against Brock. UFC has weight divisions for a reason, Every other division is a 10-15lb gap why is it deemed heavy division can have a 60lb gap? This is a main reason why Brock would beat Fedor. Not because Fedor is over hyped or because Brock is better. UFC needs another weight division.
boeos 1 year ago
@Punj4biUK yeah but look at what herring looked like after their fight...i dfont think lesnar was just laying on him. so they bothbeatthecrap out of herring. but mir is not a can and couture may be gettingup there in age but he is still a bad MF. I like brock not because he is the champ or he came from the WWE, but because he could very well be the best in the game with a little more work. i just think fedor is over hyped. his managment screws him.
feloniouss 1 year ago
lesnar would whip fedor
jabroniist 1 year ago
Why do most fighters fight? To be the best, and to be the best you have to fight the best. Simple as that!
kanflow12 1 year ago
seriously ...everyone has there bad fights and btw @matt4sur3 HTF is fabricio werdum washed up?!? he is bjj champion... just because fedor loses one fight everyone is now saying that he sucks and he is overrated.. did this happen when brock lost a fight?
Gettaization 1 year ago
that was an old interview
127quinn 1 year ago
People who hate on fedor are a joke and know nothing about the sport. uneducated morons. Fedor isnt on Brocks level? wtf.. personally i do think brock would win against fedor only because of the size/weight difference and the fact brock is much younger and has fought less. But fedor has more skill than brock has by a mile.
boeos 1 year ago 18
@boeos Maybe Fedor should drop to light heavyweight!
The monsters in HW are too much for him to handle...
He looks chubby at 229, can he pretend to fight guys who are cut up at 260-265??
IMO that's too much of a difference, it might be time for him to fight in light heavyweight! fedor vs anderson silva...how great would that be!!!
still4syntax 1 year ago
@still4syntax Actually your completely right, I have said to many friends that the current heavy weight division is too wide of a gap. If you look at any weight division in the ufc depending on the weight theres a 10-20lb spread. but in heavy weight its a massive 60lb gap unlike any other division. UFC needs a cruiser division. Fedor does look chubby but then again he always has, unless you meant chubbier than normal ;) and yes Fedor vs anderson at a catch weight would be awesome.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos lets put it this way if, fedor and brock weighed the same fedor would win. period.
naxrox 1 year ago
@boeos THANK YOU!!
kichukdave 1 year ago
@boeos i wouldnt say fedor has a ton more skill. remember lesner was a collage wrestler and 2 time college champion
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Wrestling is not MMA. Yes some of it translates into MMA but not all, and some of the stuff that does translate, you still have to learn the dangers and differences those techniques comes with when applied in a Non wrestling scenario. Fedor has trained and Competed at Top level MMA for over 10years. Brock only a few. Brock beat Randy but Randy has more skill than Brock (imho). No MMA isnt all about skill, its a combination factors like Technique/Experience/Fitness/Strength/Speed.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos wrestling based fighters dominate every weight class in ufc. sure you need more than just wrestling but you have to start somewhere and that seems to be the best way to start off.
defently agree that mma ist all about skill, you forgot something though, fighting IQ. not to mention luck.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 so Anderson silva, Shogun and GSP are wrestling based? I agree Wrestling is great in MMA but not the end all. You cant solo rely on just 1 factor or even 2 any more, just being a wrestler makes your gameplan obvious to your opponents, you have to learn the other apsects just for defense sake. Alot of the "wrestling based" fighters are well versed in submission/BJJ and striking.
boeos 1 year ago
did you even read my comment?i said domanate i didnt say every single fighter and actually gsp uses alot of wrestling and is one of the best wrestlers in the ufc.
again did you read my comment?i said its the best martial art to start off with and if you only know one martial art its the best one to have.of course no martial art is perfect,idealy you would master all of them but of course that ist realistic,that said fighters should always be working on there weakness and learning new things.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Ummm ok did i read your comment? maybe you shouldnt write generalised flawed statements. You said, your own words "wrestling based fighters dominate every weight class in ufc." Well when 3 of the divisions are being held by more all rounded fighters, wrestling clearly isnt dominating those divisions are they.
Yes Wrestling is great base, But in this era MMA being more popular you can learn MMA as a pure sport now from the very start of your life. Rather than the Generation before.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos just because you know more than just wrestling doesnt make you not a wrestler and anyways i said wrestling based nothing more, they could be all around fighters now for sure but there still wrestling based.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 if your sole point is you need wrestling in MMA then i agree.
But i dont think the order that you learn it in is crucial or that your regaurd it superior to BJJ or Standup.
boeos 1 year ago
frankie edger just beat(again! lol) the best light weight in history(bj penn) and with what? wrestling. what was he in college? a wrestler lol
the only champions that dont use wrestling are anderson silva and Maurício Rua and anderson silva was recently just dominated by a wrestler like i said before but got out with a lucky submission.
gsp if you notices uses wrestling more than his other abilitys. no question he's a world class striker( more specifially muay tui artist) as well though.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 dominated by a wrestler, so there fore wrestling is better wrong.
How many wrestlers previously have they beaten? does that mean wrestling is rubbish No.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos the real question is how many top level wrestlers have they beaten? not many if any. honestly if you really want ill look at every fighter they fought in the ufc and tell you if any were top level wrestlers, i gurentee you the number will be low if any.
come on man iam giveing you facts here and you choose just to ignore them. please give me some facts that support your views, id like to see them. all you do is try to tell me this is how it is believe it or your wrong lol.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 You havnt given any facts at all. What facts have you given other than your opinion? which doesnt count as fact btw. Your stating your opinion and im stating mine.
This all started with your comment of "wrestling is dominating all UFC divisions"
your agree with this statement, i disagree. This isnt Fact. this is your opinion well welcome to mine.
boeos 1 year ago
ive given you links that sambo is in fact wrestling. ive told you that most legends in the sport had a wrestling base. ive given you examples of fights like silva getting dominated by wrestling. ive even told you that every division in the ufc is dominated by guys who either have a wrestling base or who have learned how to wrestle like gsp, and now gsp uses more wrestling that any other form of martial art in his fights. honestly go though the divisions and try to prove me wrong, you wont.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 You say the weight divisions are dominated by wrestlers i say they arent. ofc wrestling is going to hold some factors because its MMA for christs sake, every one has to have some form of ground/grappling skill. but you seem to just want to focus on Greco/Freestyle. People Striking BJJ and other forms dont seem to count for squat. Look at Matt Serra what makes him Good? his Wrestling or his BJJ or the encorporation of the 2. I guess only his wrestling made him what he is today? =/
boeos 1 year ago
i never said wrestling was all you needed to be a champion or even a top contendor for that matter. all i said was if you had only one martial art to start off with wrestling is the best single martial art to half. i dont know were your getting that wrestling is all you need, ive said that you need more to be a champion. only that wrestling is the best way to get your foot in the door, does that make sense? there are of course other ways to skin a cat but the best way is though wrestling
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Well maybe back in the day Wrestling or BJJ could of been the best 1 thing to learn. But today MMA is main stream and so large now (although stil growing) you have people who are learning Pure MMA, So you dont have to learn just wrestling first or just BJJ.
Yes there is many ways to skin a Cat, best way not sure but a good way. il give you that.
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 look man end of the day its like i said earlier, Youtube is a pretty shitty platform to have a debate. Your still probably thinking "fuck me this guy is a dumbass" and im thinking we just cant really convey our selves across properly. We probably agree more than what we disagree on believe it or not. having a limited amount to of characters doesnt help us elaborate much. tbh speaking to each other we would probably find out we have alot in common.
After all we are both MMA fans ;)
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 As for GSP using alot of wrestling, yes he does, Its MMA is it not? its uses alot of every thing, So wouldnt you think a good MMA fighter is going to have a Good understanding or most of the areas?
End of the day if you learned BJJ, Wrestling or any Form of stand up before staring MMA , you still have a massive amount to learn.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos not many guys that dont have a wrestling base use wrestling though, gsp is on of the few. name me another guy without a wrestling base that uses wrestling? its a waste if your not good at it.
yeah but you have a better chance with wrestling, lesner is a great example, and no him being big and strong ist what makes him a champion. smaller guys beat bigger guys all the time in mma, if strength was all you needed there would be a bunch of body builders in mma but you dont see that.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Im sorry hes a good wrestler yes but that doesnt = outstanding MMA. when the division is 265lb cap and Brock walks around 300lb in real life and cuts down. its not his skill winning at all, You seriously think his Size/Strength plays no factor in his fights? Look at Brock vs Randy Couture do you really think Brock skill wise is equal to randy? because i sure dont.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos of course it has an effect on the fight but a so called skillless fighter(lesner) ist going to win a fight just because he's strong. mir is 265 pounds too now do you see him walking though people? no. lesner walks around at about 280 not 300. plus when you cut weight your not 100% come fight night, its really not that big of an advantage.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 no strength alone doesnt win and ive never advocated that it does. As earlier i stated its a combination of things like technique/speed/strength/size/fitness.
and Brock make up is not loads of skill as you try to make out. That not to say he has no skill. its just not his outstanding attribute.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos you just said lesner beat couture because he's stronger lol
yes you have to learn other things, ive said before that your right abou that but if you had to rely on one thing, wrestling would get you the furthest up the ladder. controling the body is just so important in mma, fighting in general, you control the body you control the fight and that's what wrestlers do.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Well lets put it this way if Brock was the same size as Randy. Randy would of won. No way does Brock have the skill or knowledge of Randy Couture in MMA. Also i never said or claim Brock lesnar is "skillless"
And plenty of fighters can cut weight fine with no troubles. If it wasnt an advantage people wouldnt do it! This further shows that you dont seem to understand size and strength can help. Yes if you cut too much you can be very dehydrated.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos iam not going to argue either way if lesner would lose or win if he was the same size as couture, that's imposible to know either way.
i never said it wasnt an advantage i said its not a huge advantage. that's exactly right you get dehydrated and no matter how good you are at cutting weight you wont be 100% come fight night.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Look end of the day you believe Lesnar has lots of skill in mma due to his wrestling. I dont share that opinion So lets agree to diagree, thats all we can do because we are just going to go in circles. As part of your argument for Brock lesnar we got into a Wrestling debate. I love Wrestling and thinks its great with out doubt. I personally believe or it seems to me that you give off the impression wrestling is more important or superior than other formats. again agree to disagree.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos if lesner doesnt have alot of skill how is he champion? why? because he's strong? than why ist mir champion? he's 265 and why dont body builders do mma than if strength is so improtant? there are a much of strong guys in mma that would be shit in the ufc, alot of strength is only a plus not required. remember technique always beats strength.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 You see heres the problem no where have i ever said lesnar has no skill. Only that fedor has more skill. To have more of something must mean person A must have skill in the first place. im not even going to get into your sarcastic comment on body builders. Yes Lesnar is a good wrestler but wrestling isnt everything in MMA, as far as im concerned thats a fact proven years ago in MMA's history. All im sayin gis Lesners physical attributes Help him alot combined with his Skill.
boeos 1 year ago
your right about henderson except he didnt even use any wrestling in that fight, and anyways silva is an exception, he's the best pound for pound guy in the world lol
but when a guy uses top level wrestling on him look what happened lol
that ist even the point though i said wrestling it the best single style to have, not that other forms arent improtant, they defently are. it just seems that the best fighters have a wrestling backround and than obviously learn branch out to other things
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21as for A. silva Im sorry but imho I just dont think 1 off fights proove any thing or are enough to back up any theories until more fights have happened to which you can then try to see a trend. but ok like you say this point is here nor there and I agree.
Now this really all goes back to the lesner/fedor debate in which you said dont forget Lesner was a high skilled wrestler.
And again Just wrestling on it own at UFC level doesnt mean shit unless you learn other things to bolster it.
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 you even state your own words "obviously learn branch out to other things"
Which is what lesner is doing and need to do ontop of what he has. Hence why
Randy and Fedor are more skillful then lesner at current. Randy/Fedor are at the end of their careers and Brock is basically at the start of his.
He has so much more to learn and hone.
boeos 1 year ago
that's the diffrence too, between just a another wrestler and lesner.lesner is a two time two time champion. he lost what like 5 times in 4 years!and avenged all his loses. he defently still has alot more potential though thats the scary part.
you could flip the phrase back on me but you'd be wrong.you said that wrestling mean shit in mma, and that ,that's all he was good at so inturn yes you did say he was an unskilled mma fighter
you made a funny huh, i must of missed it :)
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 nono you misunderstand! Just Wrestling on its own, in todays UFC level MMA, that is what i meant.
Lesner isnt unskilled, Hes just not as skillful MMA wise compared to Randy/Fedor In my opinion ofc.
Yup definately agree Brock given a few more fights and years hes gona be a fu*kin scary person to fight against in many areas.
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 Yes technique beats strength of equal proportions. Given the right combinations of fitness strength technique etc an excess of one can help out. Again this goes back to the weight margins in the divisions, the fact you see that most of lesners competitors have given away large size disadvantages.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos mir and carwin both weigh 265 as well, so he hasnt always had a big weight advantage. plus strength ist everything phically, speed and agility are great too.
lesner had branched out before he even had his first offical fight, he has actually out boxed some of his oppenents for the short time the fight was on the feet. he also just submitted carwin with a BJJ move. Not just a wrestler my friend but still a damn good wrestler that's for sure, probably the best in mma.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 look at all the divisions 15-20lb gap. Heavy weight has a 50+lb gap there needs to be a cruiser division. Also if you look at the divisions you will see nearly every fighter cuts weight to a lower division, Because its an advantage.
As for your analysis of wrestling will get you further up the ladder we will have to agree to disagree.
boeos 1 year ago
another great example is chael sonnen,sure he lost against anderson silva but thats just because he got caught in a submission.he owned silva and on any other day he would have walked out the champion.what did he use the whole fight? wrestling! what did gsp use to beat dan hardy? wrestling!
who are legends in the ufc?corture,hughes,ortiz, lidell, colemon, shamrock. what are all of them?wrestlers!
honestly look up some of the top contenders on wiki, most have amatuar wrestling backrounds
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Well its MMA you have to have wrestling, same as you have to have standup and BJJ. No singular set of skills will see you win unless you make up with it in some other factor... in Brocks case Size/physical capability.
the names Mentioned above have all sought out and learned BJJ and standup (well minus Coleman) as you mention above they are wrestling based but please dont undervalue standup and BJJ.
There are plenty of other successful fighters out there that arent Wrestling based.
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 BJ Pen, Igor Vovchanchyn, Fedor, the Gracie's, Nogueira, Wanderlei Silva and so on.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos didnt the gracies get dominated by a wrestler? what was his name? o yeah matt hughes! lol
Igor Vovchanchyn- has a sambo back round which is a form of wrestling, just as freestyle, greco roman and submission are all forms of wrestling
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 ok where do i start on this one...Matt hughes beat Royce gracie using MMA not pure wrestling. I like how you only see what you want to see, Matt hughes is a very well rounded fighter who is well versed in submission and striking aswel as wrestling. Yes matt hughes is heavily Wrestling based But if it wasnt to the gracies BJJ all those years ago opening the eyes to the world. Matt hughes wouldnt be the well rounded figter he is today. And this some how doesnt make gracie a legend of MMA?
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 I like how you seem to twist every thing in favour of Wrestling.
Igor Vovchanchyn "had a sambo background which is a form of wrestling"....Say what now... You seem to think Wrestling is all forms of Grappling its not Wrestling is free style or Greco not sambo they both are simular and have grappling. But you now want to some how make out igor vovchancyn is a wrestler. Just NO.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos i dont need to twist things around when its true, sambo is a form of wrestling, ill send you a link
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 In MMA a wrestler is percieved to be some one with a Greco or Freestyle background not Sambo. You cant talk about Wrestling (Greco/Freestyle) and then try to claim the identities of other sports under your claim. Therefore Igor Vovchanchyn was not wrestling based.
You can not convince me that Vovchanchyn was wrestling based because he had a sambo background.
Just one question then would you call non-GI BJJ, Wrestling?
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos no, i sent you that link showing you that sambo is considered a type of wrestling, if that's not enough for you than nothing is. i give you facts you choose to ignore them yet again.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 im sorry but i dednt appear to get your link, but im not here to debate Sambo. The point is, in MMA when soem one says a Wrestling background they assume a Greco or Freestyle background not Sambo! the fact your tryign to make out Igor Vovchanyns success is due to his Wrestling background is absurd. You just seem take peoples successes and attribute them all to wrestling. Your comming off nothing more than a Wrestling fanboi.
boeos 1 year ago
@boeos iam a mui tai fan boy too but you dont see me talking that up. iam just being realistic and too further my point i just heard joe rogan say the same thing about wrestling on a fight i was watching on the 100 greatest fights dvd, so its not just me.
that wouldnt mean fedor would out wrestle lesner, lesner may be the better wrestler of the two you dont know either way intill they fight lol
i dont take anderson silva, machida, shogun or bj penns succes to wrestling.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 im glad you like muay thai! im a big K-1 fan myself =D
Well personally i dont think Fedor would out wrestle lesner. but again here nor there,
I agree.
boeos 1 year ago
glad to hear it too,theres something just so beutiful about the art.
let me put it this away about wrestling, i used to think only fags wrestled when i was in high school but now that iam in college i kinda wish i wrestled in high school. when you learn whats going on its pretty entertaining too.
you know what if we were debateing this in real life iam sure it would last 5 min maybe 10 tops.probably wouldnt get anywhere so we'd have a good laugh and than probably go watch some mma lol
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 +1 =)
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 In that case fedor should out Wrestle Lesner due to his Sambo background, i think not some how.
The fact you think that 1 fight proves your point is stupid, when there is many other fights to suggest otherwise. Look at A.Silva vs Henderson that worked out well, not. therefore based on that 1 fight i must be right(sarcasm).
boeos 1 year ago
i dont even know why iam replying to you again.your the only person ive ever commented to online that doesnt know how to interpret what he reads but ill give you one last shot,ill try to be as descriptive and exact as i can be in my points.maybe i should type slow for you too lol
just cause you think of wrestling as greeco or freestyle doesnt make sambo not wrestling,i bet at one time you didnt even know wrestling was considered a martial art.just because you dont know doesnt make it not true
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 You know I could say the exact same phrase and flip it back at you.
For some one who miss quotes me on things such as saying i said "lesner has no skill" etc when indeed i did not, to then tell me I cant interpret what i read oh the irony!
ps the speed at which you type does not effect the speed in which people read! ha see i made a funny!
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 Now my point still stands that I and many others when some one states they have a Wrestling background in MMA especially the UFC we assume Greco or Freestyle not Sambo! Sambo being a wrestling form is merely semantical decritpion of what it is, its also reffered to as being simular to judo but this is all here nor there because the key point is Igor Vovchanchyn was not successful because of a wrestling base.
They dont say heres Fedor, hes a wrestler or he has a wrestling background.
boeos 1 year ago
too sum up,your right wrestling ist everything you need to learn other aspects but knowing wrestling is the best start you can have but i will admit you most likely wont become a champion intill you learn other aspects.one of my favorite prospects is mr wonderful, phil davis and he is a great example of a guy that has basically nothing but wrestling but still is undefeted in mma,he is working on his bjj bladk belt and has just got his blue recently.he basically has no stand up right now either.
kronz21 1 year ago
@kronz21 Lets just try and establish some thing we both agree on.
To be the best MMA fighter you need to be Well versed in Wrestling/SubmissionBJJ/Standup. You cannot lack either one in the UFC if you are to become successful.
The UFC/MMA is more About the individual rather than his Disciplines. eg his composition of Techniques/Physical Attributes/Experince/Skill and so n so fourth.
boeos 1 year ago
@kronz21 I appreciate your only saying Fedor isnt that much *MORE* skilled, But i think given the comparison of the 2 fighters, Brock is still pretty fresh although time is moving on as fast as ever and he is learning more and more day by day. You have to realise though in MMA you never stop learning, Never. Just look at the fedor loss, He will have taken away many new things to learn and improve on.
boeos 1 year ago
I hope people realize: Fedor doesn't care about SHIT. He doesn't care about ratings, internet opinions, callouts, or the UFC. He makes a shit ton of money, but chooses to live like a peasant in his hometown. He is from a different culture than us. He wants to be in his little town, with his family and friends, and go to church. He said fighting isn't even a passion, it's just a job. Give the guy some respect, he's old-school. He has different priorities than a typical MMA "star".
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@greenfruitface true, and that's why is not at the top of the food chain anymore!
still4syntax 1 year ago
@greenfruitface Glad to hear that someone actually gets it. I find it funny that most people here (North America) assume that everyone wants to be the richest and the most famous person in whatever they do and that if they don't accomplish this then they're just not good enough. From what I've learned about Fedor he just doesn't care. He fights for work and the celebrity that he does have is simply through association.
bassmaster9k 1 year ago
dude fedor lost to a UFC REJECT you idiots. The only chance fedor would have against brock would be in a RING. In a CAGE lesnar would pin him up against the cage and maul him like mir. fedor is fading away. his time is over, he had the greatest run EVER and should be considered the Greatest fighter of all time but hes just to small now and needs to hang it up. Uberreem would kill fedor,lesnar, JDS,caine,carwin would all beat fedor now.
wanadorm 1 year ago
wow ur a dipshit. Werdum is badass, he smashed Gabriel Gonzaga who had just fought for the heavyweight title dumbshit. If he sux than UFC sux
splendid8000 1 year ago
@wanadorm Thank you!
People will continue thinking Fedor is the best until he gets knocked out cold and is convulsating for 5 minutes on the mat!
It is time for him to retire, he's not getting any better (quite the opposite in fact), but the opposition is!
still4syntax 1 year ago
@still4syntax Fedor won't get knocked out, his jaw is too good. And all this fedor trash talk is a joke, the guy is THE best P4P fighter, yeah he lost his last fight, shit happens, that's BJJ it's designed to capitalize on mistakes and unfortunately Fedor thought he had him rocked more then he actually did went in made a mistake got lazy couldn't get outta it and took the L. I am tired of UFC fans talking trash about Fedor, no MMA fan ever will.
Sythaz 1 year ago
@Sythaz first of all i'm an MMA fan not a UFC fan!
That being said, i trully believe that the UFC has the toughest fighters by far!
I agree fedor is a legend and acomplished something incredible for the sport,
But saying that he's not at the top anymore is just a fact!
Can you trully picture him fighting Brock or Carwin?cos i can't,And no chin is too hard for carwins right hand! or lesnar's 4 that matter!
Fedor in light heavyweight maybe?
still4syntax 1 year ago
@wanadorm You're an idiot. Hands down a total idiot. You're a UFC fan clearly, not an MMA fan. UFC does not mean best in sport fyi. Also Werdum is very skilled in BJJ, and the only reason fedor lost was because of BJJ, which is designed to find a mistake and take advantage fedor thought the guy was more rocked then he was and lost, look at your lover boy Lesnar, he got caught by BJJ too. Fedor went 33 fights with out losing... Knocking out most of your precious UFC champs.
Sythaz 1 year ago
lesnar has nothing to offer fedor lol I am suprised that his manger hasn't said that one yet the only resaon fedor is not in the ufc is because he knows he will lose and all the years of false hype will catch up with him one thing I have learned in life is people are stupid they will believe what you tell them to without looking into it for themselves the people here that agree with me have done the research for themselves and know what i'm saying is true. Just look for yourself and you will see
BriBri176 1 year ago
well i know 1 think forsure brock wouldnt get caunt in that triangle
saberman41 1 year ago
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ShowDownRecordsNAC 1 year ago
Fedor has always been over rated and and it took a washed up ex UFC fighter to prove it!
matt4sur3 1 year ago
@matt4sur3 thank you some one else that knows MMA
MrQC4321 1 year ago
@matt4sur3 Losing after remaining undefeated for years--against the best competition in multiple organisations--does not make you overrated dipshit.
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix no fighting nobodys for the last 5 years does put his status in question though. i mean who has he really fought since 05? why would he fight werdum rather than the champ there overeem? because they figured overeem would beat him and they figured werdum wouldn't.. too bad they were wrong.
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss nobodies like tim sylvia and andre arlovski? you're an idiot. Werent both of these guys heavyweight champions in the oh so badass and always bragged about UFC?
jusmetya 1 year ago
@jusmetya This guy has to be a troll. How could someone be so dumb? He dismantled two former UFC champions with ease. He beat everyone out there except for an elderly Couture and Lesnar.
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@jusmetya i never bragged about silva. arlovski was pretty good. now haw many people has fedor fought with worse records than lesnar.. hell how many has he fought with ZERO wins.... he was good WAS... so was ken shamrock, but now he cant hang.. same story with fedor
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss Overeem isn't a threat to Fedor because he has no ground game. Fedor the k-1 champion, so why would he need to fight Overeem? Get real.
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix *beat the k-1 champion (Semmy Schilt).
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix lol overeem is the champ.... thats what he has to offer he is the best in there atm and fedors promoters dont want him to fight overeem because they know he would get beat.. but werdum beat him in 69 sec a man released fromn the UFC. sorry i have my eyes opend and just dont think someone is the best because the media and his promoters say so. lol he beats people who are FORMER champs he couldnt touch a few of the HW in the ufc.. thats it in a nutshell man
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss You're ignoring what I said--which is a typical troll tactic. He beat Schilt --who is better than Overeem. So why should he fight Overeem? All that would happen is he'd be dragged to the ground and beaten. Lesnar beat two former UFC champs as if they were nothing. Who does he have left to fight? Lesnar, Barnett, and that's it. You're delusional. And after seeing Lesnar fight tonight--he doesn't look impressive at all. He was being demolished in the standup.
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix lol ok man who has the belt now there?? overeem.. So who is the best there after saying that?/ Overeem.. Who did fedor fight?? werdum. Why??? you can keep your head in the sand and beleive the hype out there. fedor has a legacy that they are worried about getting messed up. he comes to the ufc and start eating loss after loss his rep gets tainted so he goes to strikeforce where ha can fight rogers with no wrestling back ground and look at what he did to fedor... please man..
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss Thanks for ignoring all my points again troll. Rogers was a big guy with a lot of power--much bigger than Fedor. He had everything to lose by taking that fight. He can't fight in the UFC because Dana won't concede anything Fedor's management wants. He doesn't need to anyway because he destroyed two UFC champs as if they were nothing. Overeem is one of the worst champions ever. He's no Schilt (do you even know who that is) and he has no ground game compared to Fedor. He lost to Chuck!
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix not ignoring anything what i am doing is stating facts.. overeem is the champ. that makes him the top in strikeforce HW atm. but fedors promoters wont let him fight overeem.. why.. you can say he has nothing for fedor but that is laughable. now rogers wasw a joke a sams club worker who trained part time in mma.. yeah he had alot for fedor didnt he.. lol and you are right fedor does have everything to lose by taking a fight with a 2nd rate fighter
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss Do you get why he had everthing to lose by fighting Rogers? He had everything to lose because Rogers was a big strong guy and so he had a puncher's chance against anyone. He was dangerous, and if Fedor lost he would lose a lot of cred since Rogers was not a 'name' despite being dangerous. There's no heavyweight that has a better record than Fedor--so how is he overrated? You're delusional or a troll mang!
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix well yeah i do see that but then my question is why the hell was he fighting him?? whats overeems record ? more wins than fedor. sure more losses but more fights over all. fedor has fought alot of cans.. you know people with worse records than what lesnar has.. he has faught a few fighters with NO wins so yes fedor is over rated. he is good that i agree with but the best no.. it is easy to pad a racord fighting scrubs sorry man sad but true
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss alot of it is due to his douchbag management, who were trying to use his record as a bargaining chip, perhaps now that he lost to werdum, hell take fighting seriously again, and start taking on more top competitors, fedor is still young enough to fight, and hopefully he will show the world that he still is the best.
EmbattledSoul 1 year ago
@feloniouss Just shut up fucking idiot.
myspacejamesphoenix 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix hrmm how to respond to such a well thought out argument... how about why dont you get fedors nuts out of your mouth and openyour eyes. Fedor beats rogers...rogersgoes on to fight for the belt. Why?? i wont say fedor.thepeople who own him know if he loses he isnt worth as much. So he fough fedor and lost.... NOW they are talking about him fighting overeem... LoL guess u have to lose in strikeforce to get a title shot...Thatis what makes strikeforce a joke IMO
feloniouss 1 year ago
@myspacejamesphoenix and he may have beat 2 EX ufc champs. but destroy i dont think is the way i would put it. but think what you want man i dont really care. i am a fedor fan but when he decided to sign with strikeforce then he dont fight the top dogs even there i saw him in a different light. thime for him to retire so the people like you can keep thinking he is a god.
feloniouss 1 year ago
@feloniouss lol and yes, he destroyed tim silivia... silvia got zulu'd, it was terrible.
EmbattledSoul 1 year ago
@matt4sur3 it didn't really took a washed up ex UFC fighter to prove it.... it TOOK MANY washed up UFC fighters to prove it.. YOU ALL TALK NOW THAT HE LOST... BUT YOU GUYS WERE SILENT THE 32 OTHER FIGHTS.
shogrran 1 year ago
@shogrran if there was no cage to help lesnar from getting mounted he would be 4-2 right now. hows 4-2 compare to 31-1? im sure fedor could take a 3-7 record asian guy an OLD couture and frank mir and he beat herring so brock don't have much on him hes lucky hes not 4-2 lmfao. fedors just to conditioned for lesnar he could submit him easy if he didn't knock him out, fedors had heavier on his back
dukeslaps 1 year ago
@dukeslaps naa.. im a fedor fan.. but still.. when you're fighting theres no 31-1 or 4-2 inside the ring. Its just you and the other guy. Theres always that chance for both to make that mistake.
shogrran 1 year ago
@matt4sur3 what about when he beat ex-UFC Heavyweight champions? that was a rather ignorant comment. and besides, Fedor is older too.
xXBr4ndonDXx 1 year ago
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And people wonder why Anderson was overly careful against Maia and Leites.If he isnt better than "The Last Emperor"(eyeroll)he is certainly smarter haha!
I know Anderson and his camp are some where choking on their own spit with laughter over the P4P discussion after Fedor's epic fail tonight lol!Werdum played dead and Fedor fell for it.Yup whos the dumb ape now haha!
CODEColt45 1 year ago
THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES!
w w w . lowkick.com/UFC/Quick-Quote-Fedor-considers-retirement-8397
I can't believe this coward.
Beskrock 1 year ago
Stop talking about Silva vs. Fedor fight! There is no way SIlva could win, he cant monkey around a guy like fedor its just stupid!!
grimmjowi 1 year ago
@grimmjowi i'm pretty sure you said...werdum stands no chance vs fedor!!!
he's gon