@pearcemark2 No he didn't - one of the scorecards gave it to Joe by 5 rounds, one by 3 and the other judge ONLY gave it to Hopkins by 1 point, so that judge STILL gave Joe 6 rounds. Also all the unoffical media scorecards had Joe winning it.
I gave it to Joe by 3 rounds - he definatley won the fight, 100%.
@opera123able HAHAHAH, you realize that you couldn't be more wrong about the unofficial scorecards, right? Even Joe's own countrymen gave the fight to B-Hop. Check it out:
The Associated Press, New York Daily News, Yahoo! Sports, ESPN.comand Fighthype all scored it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
BBC: " I think Hopkins has this"
The Guardian: "It's Hopkins' fight, with the best that Calzaghe can hope for a split decision"
Only people who are biased would give it to B-Hop, and even they only gave it to him by a one point margin - hence giving Joe 6 rounds.
Joe Calzaghe was the best supermiddle weight of his generation - B-Hop is a lot of mouth - he lost his 1st pro fight to a bum! He also lost twice to Jermaine 'fat boy' taylor, and he got his ass kicked by Roy Jones Jr in the 90's.
@opera123able B-Hop has 5 losses. 2 of them were split decisions, 1 majority decision, 2 UD's.
One in his first boxing match, without ever having an amateur career, by Majority Decision at LHW. That means 1 judge scored it a draw. B-Hop wasn't trained properly for this fight and got tired quickly. He took a year and a half off, dedicated himself, and started fresh.
The only clear loss he ever had was when he was young to the much more experienced Roy Jones, who was the P4P greatest of the 90s
@opera123able B-Hop: You really think I lost to Taylor?
Calzaghe: Okay they were 50/50 fights
That's the exact conversation they had, it's on tape. Joe knows B-Hop beat Taylor and Joe know B-Hop beat him.
Think about it bro: If your greatest claim to fame is beating up Jeff Lacy and barely scraping by with a gift split decision against 43 year old Bernard Hopkins in a fight where you looked like shit and had no effective offense and slapped like a bitch and people think B-Hop won, you suck.
@opera123able Calling Joe the best super middleweight of his generation is perfectly fine. He was.
He was the best fighter at a super shallow weight class at a time when it was at its absolute weakest. He consistently promised to come to america and move up to light heavyweight starting all the way back in 99 but was too terrified to do it, knowing he could safely hide at home fighting C class bums and padding his record until he could fraud his way into some big paydays.
@pearcemark2 Your such a liar, Joe not only destroyed the then unbeaton IBF champ at his peak Lacy.
He ALSO beat the unbeaton, peak WBC/WBA champ Mikkel Kessler by 5 or 6 rounds in a great display.
He ALSO easily beat 31 year old,seasoned, experienced Chris Eubank for the WBO, which he defended for 11 years.
He did enough against Hopkins to take the RIng Magazine belt and destroyed Roy Jones to such an extent that he would have beaton him (all be it closer) when Jones was at his peak 2001-03
@opera123able You do understand that Jeff Lacy's place in history is as a B fighter, right? If he's one of your "great wins", you're a bum.
Kessler is a good fighter and Joe's best win, but he's mediocre as well. He does nothing extraordinary and he got STOMPED by Andre Ward.
Eubank was way past prime when they fought. He hadn't won a big fight in 3 years, retired, came back, moved up to light heavyweight, and fought Joe on 1 week's notice.
How can call Kessler 'mediocre'!!! - He lost to Andre Ward because Andre Ward is argubly the best lb for lb fighter in the world you dick.
Eubank may have been past his prime, but Joe was well off reaching his prime and had fought no one pre Eubank - thats why it was such a great win, because he totally dominated Eubank.
@opera123able BWHAHAHAHAAA@ suggesting fagzaghe would even last a round with prime Jones
Complete retardation. Joe beat a SHOT OLD MAN. You fucking cunt, that's like saying Trevor Berbick would beat prime Ali because he beat up the old man with parkinsons. Fucking loser.
Roy had NONE OF THE QUALITIES HE EXHIBITED IN HIS PRIME and Joe was in his prime. Fucking nonsense you pathetic faggots spew.
Joe Calzague would have beaton prime Jones Jr by 2 or 3 rounds in 2001 - 2003. Remeber Calzaghe was at his peak then aswell, he just didn't get the big fights until 2006-2008. Calzaghe was actually 5 years past his peak when he fought Hopkins and Jones in 2008. Calzaghe peaked 2001 to 2003
Joe DEFINATLEY was not at his peak when he fought Eubank either, Joe was only 25, still raw with not much experienced against Eubank who was well seasoned. Joe still dominated for 8 or 9 rounds
Joe barely scraped by with a gift split decision against Reid, but this clown thinks he would beat prime Jones.
When Joe himself gave interviews admitting he was scared and would lose and wouldn't fight him unless it was "for the crown jewels" LMFAO HAHAHAHA WAT A JOKE
Calzaghe had horrible performances in that timeframe. He went 12 rounds in a horrible with with nobody bum Miguel Angel Jiminez. Complete joke.
@opera123able Joe himself says he wasn't in his prime until 35. He said himself, that was when he fought best.
YOU CAN'T FUCKING ARGUE AGAINST THE GUY HIMSELF YOU RETARD
I can call Kessler mediocre because I've watched his fights, assessed his skills, and see that there's nothing extraordinary about him. Not particularly fast or powerful or technical. Just an all around solid mediocre boxer. Nothing special.
Joe has 46 fights and people only ever mention 5 of them. Bum.
@pearcemark2 I'm not arguing against Joe Calzaghe, I'm arguing against you because you've just lied. Joe Calzaghe NEVER said he peaked at 35, and if he did he was obviousley wrong or on drugs! I heard his father Enzo get angry with an interviewer who suggested Joe was at his peak in 2007, and Enzo said that Joe peaked 3 or 4 years earlier. He just didn't get the big fights until after he beat Lacy to unify the WBO and IBF, but he was actually becoming more worn and had suffered broken hands etc
@opera123able Enzo is making excuses for his shit performances.
Mayweather has suffered hand problems his whole career, the only "knockdown" I can ever remember came from when he hit a guy, broke his hand, and touched it to the mat. Notice how nobody ever says he slaps like a bitch? Because he has perfect gorgeous precise technique.
Have you ever stopped and considered that the reason his hands broke is BECAUSE he slaps like a bitch, and not the reverse?
@pearcemark2 Joe was 35 when he beat peak 28 year old Kessler, he was 36 when he beat 43 year old Hopkins (who continues to fight at the highest level today) and he was 3 months off being 37 when he beat 39 year old Roy Jones Jr by a ridiculousley wide margin.
There is NO WAY that Calzaghe was at his peak at that time. Joe had lost some of his power due to broken hands etc. He was at his most majestic from 2000 to 2003 and would have beaton peak Jones then for definate.
@opera123able Dude, you're a fucking delusional homeboy cunt.
You don't understand how shallow british boxing is. It's a fucking kiddie pool. Glass Jaw Joe wouldn't have just been dropped by 2000 Jones, he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. And if by some miracle he did, he never would have been able to come close enough to land anything, at which point he would desperately flail his girl slaps and leave himself open for a KO punch.
@opera123able You want to see something hilarious? Here's a quote from Calzaghe in 2004, when he was pussying out of a fight against Glen Johnson: ""His victory over Jones was impressive, but I believe rather than Johnson looking good it was a case of Jones being a shadow of his former self." 2004. Calling Jones a shadow of himself. And he gladly signs on to fight a shadow of Roy, and gets dropped, and Roy looks the best he ever has in defeat. P A T H E T I C
@pearcemark2 In fact, I've just looked at Roy Jones Jr's record and seen the guys he beat from 1999 to 2003, and there all a bunch of nobody's!!!!!
None of them are any where near as good as Calzaghe or have Calzaghe's calibre or pedigree. So shut yer stupid trap saying Joe wouldn't beat peak Jones, Jones didn't fight anyone in Joe's league then. Julio Gonzalez?? Derek Harmon??? Eric Harding????? Glen Kelly???? Richard Hall????? David Telesco???Richard Frasier??
@opera123able Have you seen the performances Roy put on against those opponents? He only took those fights because they were easy paydays after he had already proven himself, moving up in weight numerous times winning titles.
Absolutely RIDICULOUS shows he put on too. Go look up the highlights of Richard Hall and watch your jaw drop as you see what he does in round 5
Then look at Joe's sloppy slapping pathetic style and realize what a no-technique ugly shitty fighter Joe is.
@opera123able There's no way you can possibly argue that Calzaghe matches Roy anywhere.
Power? Joe never had Roy's power. Roy has endless highlight reel KO's, real ones where opponents are out cold, in the most spectacular style imaginable. Joe has none. He has slappy TKO's, most of which are considered poor stoppages.
Speed? Roy's hand and footspeed were lightyears better.
Punch technique? Roy wins hands down, unorthodox but perfect. Joe slaps like an amateur.
Why is it Joe Calzaghe's fault that Roy Jones fucked up his own career and his own legacy?
Joe's legacy is tarnished by not fighting guys like James Toney & Roy Jones in the late 90's early 00's. I dont know the real reason's why Joe never fought those guys - it was'nr because he was scared though. If your scared you dont fight Chris Eubank. I became more aware of Calzage when he beat Lacy onwards.
People were raving about IBF champ Jeff Lacy before Joe beat him.
@opera123able Joe was obviously a good boxer, but you have to address him as a B+ fighter. That's what his resume is.
Compare Joe's record to someone like Oscar De La Hoya, who's a legit 6 weight world champion, fight after fight after fight it's all the best lined up in a row, going out of his way to put together megafights.
Oscar lost a few because he pushed himself, but he made himself an All Time Great n the process. Joe is no ATG. He's a solid overrated hall of famer.
@pearcemark2 Oscar De La Hoye did fight the best of the best and to be a 6 weight champ is very impressive.
It is disappointing that Joe didn't start unifying belts bact in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 etc and get the really big fights then. However, I still firmly believe despite what you say that he beat fair and square 2 very good opponants in Kessler andHopkins, despite Bernard being 43. But even now Hopkins is the Ring Magazine Light Heavy champ at 48!! At 43 he was like most top 28 year olds.
@opera123able That's why B-Hop is infinitely more talented than Joe, that right there. At 43 he was still ungodly amazing and took Joe to school, and if he was 36 himself Joey would've been finished by the 10th.
Sven Ottke? Are you goddamn joking me? He was a fuckin bum too. He got so many garbage gifts and his record is also UNGODLY WEAK. Not to mention that Sven's style is the most horrific thing I've ever seen.
You don't justify shit opponents because other jokes fought them.
@pearcemark2 I think we have already exhausted the debate about Joe v B-Hop in 2008, and you know my opinion is that Joe won that fight because he won 7 clear rounds, while B-Hop only won 3 (although one was 10-8), and the other 2 were exceptionally close and on my card even. For me 116-113 to Joe, but you could argue 115-114 for Joe - BUT NO CLOSER.
@pearcemark2 I only mentioned Ottke because you stated that Joe was a Coward for not fighting Ottke,but I'm glad that you've now contradicted that by saying that they actually avoided each other.Ottke was a long term IBF champ but STRUGGLED to beat Byron Mitchell to add the WBA in 2003, whilst Joe stopped Mitchell easy in 2.
So Joe held the WBO & was clearly better than the WBA & IBF champs, & beat the man i.e.Kessler who KO'd the 2 WBC champ's of that time also ie Eric Lucas and Markus Beyer
@pearcemark2 I cant beleive you still insist that B-Hop 'took joe to school' in 2008, that is so ridiculous.
Prior to losing to Joe, B-Hop had just genuinley taken to school the highly respected Antony Tarver, Ronald Wright and ko'd Oscar De La Hoye. Immediatley after Joe he thrashed Kelly Pavlik who was about 26!
On paper B-Hop was Joe's best win, but you wont give him the respect.
You cant have much respect for judges Chuck Giampa or Ted Gimza who gave it to Joe by 5 rounds and 3 rounds.
I've just watched the fight on youtube,Calzaghe V Hopkins HD. Harold Lederman had Joe winning 116 to 111, and he commented that it wasn't a difficult to score. Compubox had Joe landing way more punches and power shots than Hopkins - nearly double. It was HOPKINS who made it an ugly looking fight NOT Joe, and also Hopkins faked low blows in order to rest.
Emmanuel Steward also had Joe winning decisivley, so did all the HBO guys.
Go and watch it - only you and B-Hop think he won.
@opera123able 114-113 B-Hop, anything else is retarded
Calzaghe admitted that Beyer was shot when Kessler fought him.
Joe gets no respect for a split decision over a 43 year old man on paper when his performance in the fight was THE WORST JOE EVER LOOKED IN HIS CAREER
Emmanuel Steward commented during the fight that "Joe is slapping and looks like an amateur"
Lederman had his head up his ass the whole fight. He scored rounds that Calzaghe clearly won in favor of B-Hop.
@pearcemark2 If Calzaghe doesn't get any respect for a split decision over Bhop when he fought the worst fight of his career. How come Hop went onto some of his greatest ever performances? Hopkins was not shot my friend - different more intelligent fighter than he was but not shot. Calzaghe was no spring chicken either, his peak was around the time of Mitchell up until until Lacy. The Calzaghe deception is biased crap that considers any of Joe's fast punches as COMPLETELY void in the scoring.
@Queenwraith Hopkins wasn't shot, but he was 43, which is beyond retirement age for anyone in any sport.
He went onto greater performances because getting robbed like that once again set him off and inspired him to turn it up a notch. If he's not gonna be given decisions, he'll make you give them to him.
It's not fast punches that are discounted, fast hard precise technical combo punches are phenomenal to watch. Calzaghe just slapped with the inside of the glove, not legal
@pearcemark2 Was Calzaghe not a great enough inspiration for him to get up for? Especially after all the racist taunts? That's a very, very waek excuse, and even if it were the case, that would involve Hopkins being unprofessional, wouldn't it? If anything Calzaghe didn't get up for the fight and he wasn't sharp, I agree with you totally on that one. I think he took his first move up to LH flippantly and it nearly cost him, though I could start with Hopkins spoiling, butting, bidding time.
@pearcemark2 ...but I've had that debate many times with people, they see past Hopkins cheating because their his fans and that's fair enough. But I find that any real boxing fan will know that Hopkins made the most of what he had in the tank, need to cheat, did cheat and may have won many close rounds, but you could also look at the fight and know that Hopkin's should have had at least one point deducted and maybe disqualified for faking injury (twice).
@Queenwraith Hopkins got his cock slapped out of his cup and you want HIM deducted a point? That makes no sense.
Joe got warned for low blows early on, then rabbit punching, then hitting on the break, hits him low again, then when he goes low for the third time B-Hop finally took a break.
When he got hit low once again in the 11th that was the moment when he was hit with Joe's best blows of the fight, lending credence to the idea that he was indeed cockslapped.
@pearcemark2 Kessler was at his very peak when Joe schooled him
Emmanuel Steward said lots of things, but the most important thing he said at the end was that Joe Calzaghe DECISIVELY beat Hopkins. There is no way YOU can disrespect Manny Steward's opinion or claim that YOU know more about how to score a boxing match than Manny Steward for fucks sake!! Manny is universally respected in boxing, he tells it like it is, he is honest, he is unbiased and he knows what he's talking about- unlike you!!
@pearcemark2 How can you say that Manny Steward talks shit? You really are the most deluded 'brain washed by bernard' boxing fan ever.
For you to say that Manny and everyone at HBO who are boxing experts know less about boxing than you really shows how twisted you are. If your so clever why dont you get a job in boxing. I hope you dont because you would be like the retards of boxing judging like Carl Froch, Adalaide Byrd, Eugenia Williams, Larry O'Connell and of course your beloved Bernard
@opera123able Go watch "The Calzaghe Deception". Every single round, every exchange is played, in normal speed with HBO commentary and crowd noise, and then he slows down and replays the exchange. Watch how Joe slaps away like a girl and hits nothing. He got schooled and made to look like a steaming turd.
By a 43 year old middleweight who was 2-2 in his last 4. Who hit him with the better punches all night.
@pearcemark2 I've seen the 'Calzaghe Deception' and its a load of edited, biased piece of diahorea shit I've ever seen.
HBO were right in that Hopkins tried to disrupt Calzaghe's rhythm, exactly like he did against J. Taylor twice, making those 2 fights look close also. Credit for Hopkins for at least making the fights competitive and a real test, but he still lost all 3 fights, no question. He allowed Calzaghe to control most of the pace and tempo, Calzaghe came forward and Hopkins backed off
@opera123able Hopkins moved backwards because that's his style. He always moves backwards, and he specifically did that to Joe because he knew he would run straight forward into his punches like he did. Joe slapped, B-Hop punched. Joe was cut and bruised and lumped up, B-Hop didn't have a mark on him. Joe lost, B-Hop won. At 43. With a thyroid condition. After 2 years of relative inactivity. LOL
Lennox got KO'd by 2 american bums. Another joke like Calzaghe LMAO
@pearcemark2 Joe is not my hero, but he is a boxing legend who proved he was amongst the elite Supermiddleweight's and Light Heavyweight's of his era.
Lennox Lewis is for me the real hero
You say that Harold Lederman had his head up his ass, but he scored it exactly the same as another very experienced and highly respected Judge Chuck Giampa - 116-111 for Joe - Bit of a coincidence dont you think? I personally saw the fight more like the other Judge Ted Gimza, 115-112 or maybe 116-113 for Joe
@opera123able I'm not even a Roy fan, I don't particularly enjoy watching him and only watched all his fights because I know as a boxing fan, I should see this and witness the phenomenal talent that was Roy Jones.
Was. From the olympics to Ruiz. That was Roy Jones.
Not the walking corpse that we've seen ever since he destroyed his body trying to drain 30 pounds of muscle off in 6 months in his late 30's. He's performed horribly in every single fight since then.
@opera123able It's hilarious to me that you had to go look at Roy's record, clearly not having watched any of his career.
How can you pretend to be a boxing fan and you haven't seen the best P4P fighter of the 90s putting on the most dazzling performances in boxing history? The Glen Kelly knockout alone is greater than any "knockout" Joe ever scored. Compare that one to Calzaghe vs Manfredo and then puke your guts out.
I have seen him and he was great, but no better than Joe, even if more stylish.
He didn't unify 'numerous' weights, he won an IBFmiddleweight belt against Hopkins, an IBF supermiddle against James Toney, and then unified all the light heavyweight belts but didn't beat any big names apart from Tarver which was a majority decision. He then lost horrendouldey 3 fights in a row against Tarver twice, & Johnson & he was only 34-35, the age that you reckon Joe peaked (which is bollocks)
@opera123able Dude, he was infinitely better than Joe.
Old shot washed up Roy still had faster handspeed and more devastating punches than peak performance Calzaghe when they fought in 2008, 4 years after Joe declared he was a shadow of himself.
Roy lost horribly because he came down from heavyweight and never recovered. He lost his legs, stamina, chin, reflexes, everything that made him great and allowed him to be Roy Jones. It was all lost in an instant.
@pearcemark2 I dont think you can feasably say the Roy J Jr was 'infinitely better' than Joe. If you are of the opinion that Roy at his peak would beat Joe at his peak, then fair enough, but neither were at their peaks when they did fight, Joe was aged 36 years and 8months, Roy was aged 39 years and 10 months, Roy had 48 pro fights, Joe had 45 fights.
When you consider all that, and that all 3 judges scored it exactly the same at 118 - 109, you still refuse to give Calzaghe any credit at all.
@opera123able The amount of fights and age is 100 PERCENT IRRELEVANT
Calzaghe in 2004 said about Glen Johnson "His victory over Jones was impressive, but I believe rather than Johnson looking good it was a case of Jones being a shadow of his former self.", so how can you give him any credit for beating a shadow of Roy Jones 4 years more washed up? Are you kidding?
Tommy Morrison beat an old ass Foreman, good for him, but Tommy's a B fighter and prime George would murder him.
@pearcemark2 LOL you've just contracdicted yourself beyond belief =
'The amount of fights and age is 100 PERCENT IRRELEVANT',
then you stated:
'Tommy Morrison beat an old ass Foreman, good for him, but Tommy's a B fighter and prime George would murder him'.
Your second statement completely contradicts your first. I actually agree with your second statement, the first is ridiculous. Of course age and the number of fights are relevent for most boxers, whether it be in a good or bad way.
@opera123able It doesn't contradict the first at all, idiot.
AGE AND THE NUMBER OF FIGHTS ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
If you lose every fight you have from 20-80 years old, and at 80 you start knocking everyone out, your performance didn't become good until 80 years old. Get the picture, stupid?
Foreman performed best in his 20 and 30s but he was able to retain enough power to be somewhat threatening in old age, though nothing like his prime.
@opera123able In boxing, it's about performance. A lot of mexican fighters are shot by their late 20s. Other guys are performing their best in their mid 30's, such as Calzaghe.
The David Starie fight was a joke. Rick Thornberry? That is the most gutter trash garbage excuse for a title fights there's ever been in boxing. Joe performed horribly in these fights in his supposed "prime", then he destroys Lacy and beats Kessler impressively and people pretend he was better before.
I've just checked, and in fact Sven Ottke fought both Starie and Rick Thornberry also, so if they are good enough for him then the are good for Joe, and you've already said how good Ottke was. Joe and Ottke both fought Byron Mitchell in 2003 also, and Calzaghe TKO'd Mitchell in 2 rounds whilst Ottke only managed a very close split decision and one judge gave it to Mitchell 116-112!
I dont know why Joe and Ottke did'nt fight. Ottke retired on 27/3/2004.
@opera123able And Joe and Ottke didn't fight because neither of them wanted to. They were both scared and played a cat-and-mouse game trying to get the other to leave his hometown. Pussy Joe didn't want to go to Germany to unify, and Sven had such a ridiculous deal in Germany getting a huge cut of the gate and PPV and all that jazz, he had no reason to leave as a unified champ and go fight some WBO titleholder that nobody took seriously.
@opera123able Carl Froch: "Hopkins beat Calzaghe, let's not forget. It was a split decision and a very close call, Calzaghe got beat up, his nose was bust and Hopkins was unmarked."
Joe's post fight comments were "I knew this wouldn't look pretty. He's so awkward. He gave me some good shots. It wasn't my best night"
B-Hop's comments were " I took the guy to school. I made him fight my fight, not his. I controlled the pace, and I controlled the fight."
@pearcemark2 Mike Tyson and Carl Froch couldn't score a soccer match. 114-113 for B-Hop would still mean giving Joe 6 rounds, and no one in the whole world who gave it for B-Hop gave it to him by more than a 1 point margin.
Harold Lederman, Larry Merchant, everyone at Sky Sports and HBO all had it for Joe clearly. The people at the BBC only said they thought Hopkins would get a home country decisision, not that he won.
The closest any reasonable judge could give it is 115-114 for Joe Calzaghe.
@opera123able AHAHAHAA you silly cunt, first you BLATANTLY FUCKING LIE say every single person scored it for Calzaghe, yet it turns out most media outlets, EVEN JOE'S OWN COUNTRYMEN, scored it for Hopkins, and now you change your story
@pearcemark2 Listen son, your the silly **** for writing ahahahaha & bwhahaha, when did your mum last breast feed you? 10 minutes ago I expect.
Jeff Lacy was a b-class opponant - AFTER Calzghe runied him forever over 12 rounds. Prior to that Lacy had a good record and everyone was raving about him. He was IBF World champ for 5 fights, he had stopped Robins Reid, Omar Sheika and Scott Pemberton. Judge Chuck Giampa is a countryman of Hopkins and he gave it to Joe by 5 rounds.
@opera123able Who did Lacy ever beat that was any good? Old ass Omar Sheika? Are you joking me? Lacy always sucked and he was losing a lot of the fights he had before he scored a KO.
He was a paper champion who got a vacant belt after Ottke retired. The same Ottke that Joe refused to go to Germany to fight, because he was terrified of losing that precious 0 on his record. But he was happy to go to Germany to fight bum Mario Veit who he TKO'd in the first round. Coward Joe.
If anyone is a racist its Hopkins! Love the dude, but if a white fighter said anything close to what he says frequently, they'd be universally hated. I know its different, but nevertheless.
bunce does lots of good stuff for boxing,from the amateurs to the pros he gives everybody fair treatment right across the board he ain't racist ,you beat on him for no reason ,bhop throwing his toys out of his pram only because the camera is on him,its only propaganda get used to it in boxing don't take it seriously ,it sells more tickets is all
Bunce is an idiot and a racist. One has to question, why setanta cut out the reason why the beginning of the argument was not shows, despite the fact that cameras were running.
@THISISLolesh Yes he is a racist. And for the record this is just pro calzaghe propoganda from the hopkins/calzaghe dvd, a fight which all the professionals acknowledge that hopkins should have won, but because he is normally booed by his own fans, did not get the decision. Regardless of this, hopkins is a professional when it comes to interviews and rarely threatens anyone like this. He is an absolute professional pundit on HBO (a channel who removed lennox for hopkins).
@AEF091 Why are you going off on one at me? All i said was Bunce isn't a racist and he isnt.
+I thought Hopkins could have got the decision aswell, hes one of my favourite all-time fighters. He does like to whine and sulk alot however this doesn't mean Steve is a racist.
Why cant idiots like Hopkins just shut up a second and let others speak! How can anyone have a dialog with this guy and try to solve the problem he might have when the other guy dont have a chance to talk!
Actually Hopkins sond no better than one of these fat american bitches that complains just because the grass on their lawn turns the wrong way.. jesus christ :)
@Boylo2492 go fuck yourself bitch....that piece of shit is nothing but a low life no class, cheating scum bag...Motherfucker made an art out of headbutting and holding people, roids abuser, most boring fighter in the world and a bullshiter...fuck him, hope he dies in a drive by while scoring crack in compton.
@ak47law yea hes from philly dickweednyou wont seem in compton for no reason dipshit! he must have beaten a few of your favorite fighters haha dont cry boo its ok
the english are insecure lil cunts, still living in the fantasy that england is still the great power that it once was, news flash england aint shit anymore,thats why ur americas lil bitch, doing anything,everything america tells it to do.lol..twats.
@spruntfemalespray what the fuck are talking about you penis? why leave random racially directed comments on a video like this? what the fuck is wrong with you? chill the fuck out and stop being a cunt!!!
Steve bunce is a fat gutless coward! Typical yappy loudmouth that gets shut down and humbled when in the presence of someone who see's him for what he is.
bunce is a disgrace to british boxing journalism - always has been.Don't worry though,it won't be long before this fat bastard has a heart attack and drops dead.
I think everyone is forgetting the statement that Hopkins made to Calzaghe about "I'll never let a white man beat me"...well truth be told that if Calzaghe would have said I'd never let a black man beat me , chances are he would proberbly never be able to box profesionaly again!!..
@disabledlamb Idiot, Bernard made that statement for promotion, and the fact that Alan Minter ,former World Middleweight champion who was British, told Marvin Hagler he never lose to a black man. Regardless that you made that comment four months ago doesn't remove how naive you are of the sport.
All respect to Hopkins as a fighter but his racist diatribes are getting ridiculous,he is a millionaire,champ and ceo,what hasnt this country afforded him,he isnt Rubin Carter,he went to prison for a crime he did commit,how long can you blame whitey for all your problems,and he looks like a real bad ass threatning a fat old reporter,true class
Next time Hopkins comes to England in winter, he should take some tips from Ron Lyle on how to dress. Look for the Ali-Lyle pre-fight here on youtube and check out the threads that Lyle has on during his interview with Howard Cosell. He's wearing a some super cool 70s gear.
if i was buncey i would grabbed hopkins balls and dick with one hand squeezed and twisted whilst ramming him into the wall and shouting u do not talk to me like that boy!
@funnyblackmans Bernard Hopkins contunies to pull up sets look what he did to Kelly Pavlik who at the time was the undisputed Middle weight champion of the world, Beat him when he was in his prime, beat Felix Trindiad, when Trinidad was the man and un defeated,hes a true athlete and In My opinion a hall of famer, and a true ring legend.
@Lion21Zero yhyh im not saying nnot good or nothing. i just think hes a little "cheap" back head shots and especially waiting that long to fight jones when hes old and shouldnt even be fighting. i mean why the fuck didnt he rematch him 17 years ago ?
@funnyblackmans B hop does foul, In some of his fights, If your asking me who i like more, I like Roy Jones Jr bro, Thats My favirte fighter, I think Roys, the Greatest Light Heavy Champion, of all time, But I think Bernards the middle weight, king, I was very diapionted with there rematch, If only they couldve fought before Roy Fought John Ruiz, I still think Roy woulve beat him but never the less there both Legends, and hall of famers, But I got go with Roy Jones Jr Over BHOp.
@Lion21Zero yh man me too. im not sure about middleweight king. id think that is Robinson. but he is the the P4P king so maybe. but its all a matter of opinion.
@funnyblackmans Im saying of this Era Bernards the middele weight king, Dont forget you had Hagler also.How was the Middle weight King of the 80.Its been great never the less I still Like Roy over Bernard , and will just have to wait and see If Bernards gonna still fight.
if calzaghe had said he would never lose to a black man the world would have gone mad calling him racist but when its a DIRTY NIGGER saying it its not racist
imagine the people with no papers n shit they got no choice but to get there tools n work they aint got no time to wait for that unemployment check, you dont work you dont eat. last time i checked only bitches whined
steve bruce shits his pants lol go on hopkins ya legend
sexyboi1ful 2 days ago
click on 1.40 for epic lolz
BruteWarm 1 week ago
Bernard Hopkins is just a thuggish bully.
I dont like him at all. I'm glad Britain's Joe Calzaghe taught him a boxing lesson.
opera123able 3 weeks ago
@opera123able Joe got his ass beat bad
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 No he didn't - one of the scorecards gave it to Joe by 5 rounds, one by 3 and the other judge ONLY gave it to Hopkins by 1 point, so that judge STILL gave Joe 6 rounds. Also all the unoffical media scorecards had Joe winning it.
I gave it to Joe by 3 rounds - he definatley won the fight, 100%.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able HAHAHAH, you realize that you couldn't be more wrong about the unofficial scorecards, right? Even Joe's own countrymen gave the fight to B-Hop. Check it out:
The Associated Press, New York Daily News, Yahoo! Sports, ESPN.comand Fighthype all scored it 114-113 for Bernard Hopkins.
BBC: " I think Hopkins has this"
The Guardian: "It's Hopkins' fight, with the best that Calzaghe can hope for a split decision"
Mike Tyson: " I thought Bernard won"
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
Get over it - Joe won and thats the end of it.
Only people who are biased would give it to B-Hop, and even they only gave it to him by a one point margin - hence giving Joe 6 rounds.
Joe Calzaghe was the best supermiddle weight of his generation - B-Hop is a lot of mouth - he lost his 1st pro fight to a bum! He also lost twice to Jermaine 'fat boy' taylor, and he got his ass kicked by Roy Jones Jr in the 90's.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able B-Hop has 5 losses. 2 of them were split decisions, 1 majority decision, 2 UD's.
One in his first boxing match, without ever having an amateur career, by Majority Decision at LHW. That means 1 judge scored it a draw. B-Hop wasn't trained properly for this fight and got tired quickly. He took a year and a half off, dedicated himself, and started fresh.
The only clear loss he ever had was when he was young to the much more experienced Roy Jones, who was the P4P greatest of the 90s
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@opera123able B-Hop: You really think I lost to Taylor?
Calzaghe: Okay they were 50/50 fights
That's the exact conversation they had, it's on tape. Joe knows B-Hop beat Taylor and Joe know B-Hop beat him.
Think about it bro: If your greatest claim to fame is beating up Jeff Lacy and barely scraping by with a gift split decision against 43 year old Bernard Hopkins in a fight where you looked like shit and had no effective offense and slapped like a bitch and people think B-Hop won, you suck.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 There are lots of so called 50-50 fights in boxing, but you need to look a bit closer with an objective eye.
This is somthing you and everyone else who gave the win to B-Hop 114-113 against Joe failed to do.Joe definatley won 7 rounds 10-9.
Froch TKO'd Taylor, Kessler beat Froch, Calzaghe beat Kessler, Taylor beat Hopkins - doesn't take a genius to work it out does it son.
You lose - just like Hopkins did 5 times. - Your excuses for Hopkins are pathetic aswell.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Joe barely won 6 rounds, and he only did so because Hopkins chose not to punch. When he punched, he won, every time.
HAHAAHAA ARE YOU SERIOUSLY PULLING OUT MMATH YOU DUMB WHORE
Watch this, retard: Duran beats Leonard. Leonard beats Hearns. Hearns....knocks out Duran in 2 rounds.
You are the epitome of why Calzaghe fans are a complete joke.
If you idiots would just admit he's a B fighter, has a shit record, got beat by B-Hop and Robin Reid, and is a coward, I'd respect him more
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@opera123able Calling Joe the best super middleweight of his generation is perfectly fine. He was.
He was the best fighter at a super shallow weight class at a time when it was at its absolute weakest. He consistently promised to come to america and move up to light heavyweight starting all the way back in 99 but was too terrified to do it, knowing he could safely hide at home fighting C class bums and padding his record until he could fraud his way into some big paydays.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 Your such a liar, Joe not only destroyed the then unbeaton IBF champ at his peak Lacy.
He ALSO beat the unbeaton, peak WBC/WBA champ Mikkel Kessler by 5 or 6 rounds in a great display.
He ALSO easily beat 31 year old,seasoned, experienced Chris Eubank for the WBO, which he defended for 11 years.
He did enough against Hopkins to take the RIng Magazine belt and destroyed Roy Jones to such an extent that he would have beaton him (all be it closer) when Jones was at his peak 2001-03
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able You do understand that Jeff Lacy's place in history is as a B fighter, right? If he's one of your "great wins", you're a bum.
Kessler is a good fighter and Joe's best win, but he's mediocre as well. He does nothing extraordinary and he got STOMPED by Andre Ward.
Eubank was way past prime when they fought. He hadn't won a big fight in 3 years, retired, came back, moved up to light heavyweight, and fought Joe on 1 week's notice.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
How can call Kessler 'mediocre'!!! - He lost to Andre Ward because Andre Ward is argubly the best lb for lb fighter in the world you dick.
Eubank may have been past his prime, but Joe was well off reaching his prime and had fought no one pre Eubank - thats why it was such a great win, because he totally dominated Eubank.
opera123able 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 How the hell can you compare Joe v Hopkins or Jones to Berbeck v Ali!!!!!!!
Get real son.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able And of the 5 fights, 3 of the opponents have a combined age of 115 years old, and most people feel the oldest of the bunch beat Joe
LMFAO
Truly the resume of a B fighter
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@opera123able BWHAHAHAHAAA@ suggesting fagzaghe would even last a round with prime Jones
Complete retardation. Joe beat a SHOT OLD MAN. You fucking cunt, that's like saying Trevor Berbick would beat prime Ali because he beat up the old man with parkinsons. Fucking loser.
Roy had NONE OF THE QUALITIES HE EXHIBITED IN HIS PRIME and Joe was in his prime. Fucking nonsense you pathetic faggots spew.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
Joe Calzague would have beaton prime Jones Jr by 2 or 3 rounds in 2001 - 2003. Remeber Calzaghe was at his peak then aswell, he just didn't get the big fights until 2006-2008. Calzaghe was actually 5 years past his peak when he fought Hopkins and Jones in 2008. Calzaghe peaked 2001 to 2003
Joe DEFINATLEY was not at his peak when he fought Eubank either, Joe was only 25, still raw with not much experienced against Eubank who was well seasoned. Joe still dominated for 8 or 9 rounds
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able HAHAAHHAHA WHAT A FUCKIN JOKE
Joe barely scraped by with a gift split decision against Reid, but this clown thinks he would beat prime Jones.
When Joe himself gave interviews admitting he was scared and would lose and wouldn't fight him unless it was "for the crown jewels" LMFAO HAHAHAHA WAT A JOKE
Calzaghe had horrible performances in that timeframe. He went 12 rounds in a horrible with with nobody bum Miguel Angel Jiminez. Complete joke.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@opera123able Joe himself says he wasn't in his prime until 35. He said himself, that was when he fought best.
YOU CAN'T FUCKING ARGUE AGAINST THE GUY HIMSELF YOU RETARD
I can call Kessler mediocre because I've watched his fights, assessed his skills, and see that there's nothing extraordinary about him. Not particularly fast or powerful or technical. Just an all around solid mediocre boxer. Nothing special.
Joe has 46 fights and people only ever mention 5 of them. Bum.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 I'm not arguing against Joe Calzaghe, I'm arguing against you because you've just lied. Joe Calzaghe NEVER said he peaked at 35, and if he did he was obviousley wrong or on drugs! I heard his father Enzo get angry with an interviewer who suggested Joe was at his peak in 2007, and Enzo said that Joe peaked 3 or 4 years earlier. He just didn't get the big fights until after he beat Lacy to unify the WBO and IBF, but he was actually becoming more worn and had suffered broken hands etc
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Enzo is making excuses for his shit performances.
Mayweather has suffered hand problems his whole career, the only "knockdown" I can ever remember came from when he hit a guy, broke his hand, and touched it to the mat. Notice how nobody ever says he slaps like a bitch? Because he has perfect gorgeous precise technique.
Have you ever stopped and considered that the reason his hands broke is BECAUSE he slaps like a bitch, and not the reverse?
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 Joe was 35 when he beat peak 28 year old Kessler, he was 36 when he beat 43 year old Hopkins (who continues to fight at the highest level today) and he was 3 months off being 37 when he beat 39 year old Roy Jones Jr by a ridiculousley wide margin.
There is NO WAY that Calzaghe was at his peak at that time. Joe had lost some of his power due to broken hands etc. He was at his most majestic from 2000 to 2003 and would have beaton peak Jones then for definate.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Dude, you're a fucking delusional homeboy cunt.
You don't understand how shallow british boxing is. It's a fucking kiddie pool. Glass Jaw Joe wouldn't have just been dropped by 2000 Jones, he wouldn't have made it out of the first round. And if by some miracle he did, he never would have been able to come close enough to land anything, at which point he would desperately flail his girl slaps and leave himself open for a KO punch.
It's not even a discussion
pearcemark2 1 week ago
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 In fact, I've just looked at Roy Jones Jr's record and seen the guys he beat from 1999 to 2003, and there all a bunch of nobody's!!!!!
None of them are any where near as good as Calzaghe or have Calzaghe's calibre or pedigree. So shut yer stupid trap saying Joe wouldn't beat peak Jones, Jones didn't fight anyone in Joe's league then. Julio Gonzalez?? Derek Harmon??? Eric Harding????? Glen Kelly???? Richard Hall????? David Telesco???Richard Frasier??
C-Class road sweepers.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Have you seen the performances Roy put on against those opponents? He only took those fights because they were easy paydays after he had already proven himself, moving up in weight numerous times winning titles.
Absolutely RIDICULOUS shows he put on too. Go look up the highlights of Richard Hall and watch your jaw drop as you see what he does in round 5
Then look at Joe's sloppy slapping pathetic style and realize what a no-technique ugly shitty fighter Joe is.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
I've seen Roy Jones fight, but he was no better than Calzaghe ever.
Just accept it son.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able There's no way you can possibly argue that Calzaghe matches Roy anywhere.
Power? Joe never had Roy's power. Roy has endless highlight reel KO's, real ones where opponents are out cold, in the most spectacular style imaginable. Joe has none. He has slappy TKO's, most of which are considered poor stoppages.
Speed? Roy's hand and footspeed were lightyears better.
Punch technique? Roy wins hands down, unorthodox but perfect. Joe slaps like an amateur.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
Why is it Joe Calzaghe's fault that Roy Jones fucked up his own career and his own legacy?
Joe's legacy is tarnished by not fighting guys like James Toney & Roy Jones in the late 90's early 00's. I dont know the real reason's why Joe never fought those guys - it was'nr because he was scared though. If your scared you dont fight Chris Eubank. I became more aware of Calzage when he beat Lacy onwards.
People were raving about IBF champ Jeff Lacy before Joe beat him.
opera123able 6 days ago
@opera123able Joe was obviously a good boxer, but you have to address him as a B+ fighter. That's what his resume is.
Compare Joe's record to someone like Oscar De La Hoya, who's a legit 6 weight world champion, fight after fight after fight it's all the best lined up in a row, going out of his way to put together megafights.
Oscar lost a few because he pushed himself, but he made himself an All Time Great n the process. Joe is no ATG. He's a solid overrated hall of famer.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@pearcemark2 Oscar De La Hoye did fight the best of the best and to be a 6 weight champ is very impressive.
It is disappointing that Joe didn't start unifying belts bact in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 etc and get the really big fights then. However, I still firmly believe despite what you say that he beat fair and square 2 very good opponants in Kessler andHopkins, despite Bernard being 43. But even now Hopkins is the Ring Magazine Light Heavy champ at 48!! At 43 he was like most top 28 year olds.
opera123able 6 days ago
@opera123able That's why B-Hop is infinitely more talented than Joe, that right there. At 43 he was still ungodly amazing and took Joe to school, and if he was 36 himself Joey would've been finished by the 10th.
Sven Ottke? Are you goddamn joking me? He was a fuckin bum too. He got so many garbage gifts and his record is also UNGODLY WEAK. Not to mention that Sven's style is the most horrific thing I've ever seen.
You don't justify shit opponents because other jokes fought them.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@pearcemark2 I think we have already exhausted the debate about Joe v B-Hop in 2008, and you know my opinion is that Joe won that fight because he won 7 clear rounds, while B-Hop only won 3 (although one was 10-8), and the other 2 were exceptionally close and on my card even. For me 116-113 to Joe, but you could argue 115-114 for Joe - BUT NO CLOSER.
opera123able 6 days ago
@pearcemark2 I only mentioned Ottke because you stated that Joe was a Coward for not fighting Ottke,but I'm glad that you've now contradicted that by saying that they actually avoided each other.Ottke was a long term IBF champ but STRUGGLED to beat Byron Mitchell to add the WBA in 2003, whilst Joe stopped Mitchell easy in 2.
So Joe held the WBO & was clearly better than the WBA & IBF champs, & beat the man i.e.Kessler who KO'd the 2 WBC champ's of that time also ie Eric Lucas and Markus Beyer
opera123able 6 days ago
@pearcemark2 I cant beleive you still insist that B-Hop 'took joe to school' in 2008, that is so ridiculous.
Prior to losing to Joe, B-Hop had just genuinley taken to school the highly respected Antony Tarver, Ronald Wright and ko'd Oscar De La Hoye. Immediatley after Joe he thrashed Kelly Pavlik who was about 26!
On paper B-Hop was Joe's best win, but you wont give him the respect.
You cant have much respect for judges Chuck Giampa or Ted Gimza who gave it to Joe by 5 rounds and 3 rounds.
opera123able 6 days ago
@pearcemark2
I've just watched the fight on youtube,Calzaghe V Hopkins HD. Harold Lederman had Joe winning 116 to 111, and he commented that it wasn't a difficult to score. Compubox had Joe landing way more punches and power shots than Hopkins - nearly double. It was HOPKINS who made it an ugly looking fight NOT Joe, and also Hopkins faked low blows in order to rest.
Emmanuel Steward also had Joe winning decisivley, so did all the HBO guys.
Go and watch it - only you and B-Hop think he won.
opera123able 5 days ago
@opera123able 114-113 B-Hop, anything else is retarded
Calzaghe admitted that Beyer was shot when Kessler fought him.
Joe gets no respect for a split decision over a 43 year old man on paper when his performance in the fight was THE WORST JOE EVER LOOKED IN HIS CAREER
Emmanuel Steward commented during the fight that "Joe is slapping and looks like an amateur"
Lederman had his head up his ass the whole fight. He scored rounds that Calzaghe clearly won in favor of B-Hop.
pearcemark2 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 If Calzaghe doesn't get any respect for a split decision over Bhop when he fought the worst fight of his career. How come Hop went onto some of his greatest ever performances? Hopkins was not shot my friend - different more intelligent fighter than he was but not shot. Calzaghe was no spring chicken either, his peak was around the time of Mitchell up until until Lacy. The Calzaghe deception is biased crap that considers any of Joe's fast punches as COMPLETELY void in the scoring.
Queenwraith 5 days ago
@Queenwraith Hopkins wasn't shot, but he was 43, which is beyond retirement age for anyone in any sport.
He went onto greater performances because getting robbed like that once again set him off and inspired him to turn it up a notch. If he's not gonna be given decisions, he'll make you give them to him.
It's not fast punches that are discounted, fast hard precise technical combo punches are phenomenal to watch. Calzaghe just slapped with the inside of the glove, not legal
pearcemark2 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 Was Calzaghe not a great enough inspiration for him to get up for? Especially after all the racist taunts? That's a very, very waek excuse, and even if it were the case, that would involve Hopkins being unprofessional, wouldn't it? If anything Calzaghe didn't get up for the fight and he wasn't sharp, I agree with you totally on that one. I think he took his first move up to LH flippantly and it nearly cost him, though I could start with Hopkins spoiling, butting, bidding time.
Queenwraith 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 ...but I've had that debate many times with people, they see past Hopkins cheating because their his fans and that's fair enough. But I find that any real boxing fan will know that Hopkins made the most of what he had in the tank, need to cheat, did cheat and may have won many close rounds, but you could also look at the fight and know that Hopkin's should have had at least one point deducted and maybe disqualified for faking injury (twice).
Queenwraith 5 days ago
@Queenwraith Hopkins got his cock slapped out of his cup and you want HIM deducted a point? That makes no sense.
Joe got warned for low blows early on, then rabbit punching, then hitting on the break, hits him low again, then when he goes low for the third time B-Hop finally took a break.
When he got hit low once again in the 11th that was the moment when he was hit with Joe's best blows of the fight, lending credence to the idea that he was indeed cockslapped.
pearcemark2 5 days ago
@Queenwraith Not to mention Joe purposefully punched after the bell in the 12th to try and gain the judge's favor.
pearcemark2 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 Argued this all before my man, so I won't waste my time or yours.
Peace
Queenwraith 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 Kessler was at his very peak when Joe schooled him
Emmanuel Steward said lots of things, but the most important thing he said at the end was that Joe Calzaghe DECISIVELY beat Hopkins. There is no way YOU can disrespect Manny Steward's opinion or claim that YOU know more about how to score a boxing match than Manny Steward for fucks sake!! Manny is universally respected in boxing, he tells it like it is, he is honest, he is unbiased and he knows what he's talking about- unlike you!!
opera123able 4 days ago
@opera123able Kessler had 1 hand when he fought Joe.
Emmanuel Steward says a lot of dumb shit during fights. Everyone on the HBO team does. They all suck, dude.
Calzaghe Deception isn't edited or biased at all. It literally shows EVERY exchange, in normal speed and in slow motion.
If you can't take the fact that Joe slapped and never landed anything meaningful, that shows that YOU are the biased one
pearcemark2 4 days ago
@pearcemark2 How can you say that Manny Steward talks shit? You really are the most deluded 'brain washed by bernard' boxing fan ever.
For you to say that Manny and everyone at HBO who are boxing experts know less about boxing than you really shows how twisted you are. If your so clever why dont you get a job in boxing. I hope you dont because you would be like the retards of boxing judging like Carl Froch, Adalaide Byrd, Eugenia Williams, Larry O'Connell and of course your beloved Bernard
opera123able 3 days ago
@opera123able Go watch "The Calzaghe Deception". Every single round, every exchange is played, in normal speed with HBO commentary and crowd noise, and then he slows down and replays the exchange. Watch how Joe slaps away like a girl and hits nothing. He got schooled and made to look like a steaming turd.
By a 43 year old middleweight who was 2-2 in his last 4. Who hit him with the better punches all night.
And this is your boxing hero LMFAO
pearcemark2 5 days ago
@pearcemark2 I've seen the 'Calzaghe Deception' and its a load of edited, biased piece of diahorea shit I've ever seen.
HBO were right in that Hopkins tried to disrupt Calzaghe's rhythm, exactly like he did against J. Taylor twice, making those 2 fights look close also. Credit for Hopkins for at least making the fights competitive and a real test, but he still lost all 3 fights, no question. He allowed Calzaghe to control most of the pace and tempo, Calzaghe came forward and Hopkins backed off
opera123able 4 days ago
@opera123able Hopkins moved backwards because that's his style. He always moves backwards, and he specifically did that to Joe because he knew he would run straight forward into his punches like he did. Joe slapped, B-Hop punched. Joe was cut and bruised and lumped up, B-Hop didn't have a mark on him. Joe lost, B-Hop won. At 43. With a thyroid condition. After 2 years of relative inactivity. LOL
Lennox got KO'd by 2 american bums. Another joke like Calzaghe LMAO
pearcemark2 4 days ago
@pearcemark2 Joe is not my hero, but he is a boxing legend who proved he was amongst the elite Supermiddleweight's and Light Heavyweight's of his era.
Lennox Lewis is for me the real hero
You say that Harold Lederman had his head up his ass, but he scored it exactly the same as another very experienced and highly respected Judge Chuck Giampa - 116-111 for Joe - Bit of a coincidence dont you think? I personally saw the fight more like the other Judge Ted Gimza, 115-112 or maybe 116-113 for Joe
opera123able 4 days ago
@opera123able By the way, do yourself a favor
Youtube "Chuck Giampa fails shobox debut"
The man is A COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD WHO CAN'T COMPLETE A SENTENCE
And that's the guy you're putting your faith in
pearcemark2 4 days ago
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pearcemark2 6 days ago
@opera123able I'm not even a Roy fan, I don't particularly enjoy watching him and only watched all his fights because I know as a boxing fan, I should see this and witness the phenomenal talent that was Roy Jones.
Was. From the olympics to Ruiz. That was Roy Jones.
Not the walking corpse that we've seen ever since he destroyed his body trying to drain 30 pounds of muscle off in 6 months in his late 30's. He's performed horribly in every single fight since then.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@opera123able It's hilarious to me that you had to go look at Roy's record, clearly not having watched any of his career.
How can you pretend to be a boxing fan and you haven't seen the best P4P fighter of the 90s putting on the most dazzling performances in boxing history? The Glen Kelly knockout alone is greater than any "knockout" Joe ever scored. Compare that one to Calzaghe vs Manfredo and then puke your guts out.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2
I have seen him and he was great, but no better than Joe, even if more stylish.
He didn't unify 'numerous' weights, he won an IBFmiddleweight belt against Hopkins, an IBF supermiddle against James Toney, and then unified all the light heavyweight belts but didn't beat any big names apart from Tarver which was a majority decision. He then lost horrendouldey 3 fights in a row against Tarver twice, & Johnson & he was only 34-35, the age that you reckon Joe peaked (which is bollocks)
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Dude, he was infinitely better than Joe.
Old shot washed up Roy still had faster handspeed and more devastating punches than peak performance Calzaghe when they fought in 2008, 4 years after Joe declared he was a shadow of himself.
Roy lost horribly because he came down from heavyweight and never recovered. He lost his legs, stamina, chin, reflexes, everything that made him great and allowed him to be Roy Jones. It was all lost in an instant.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 I dont think you can feasably say the Roy J Jr was 'infinitely better' than Joe. If you are of the opinion that Roy at his peak would beat Joe at his peak, then fair enough, but neither were at their peaks when they did fight, Joe was aged 36 years and 8months, Roy was aged 39 years and 10 months, Roy had 48 pro fights, Joe had 45 fights.
When you consider all that, and that all 3 judges scored it exactly the same at 118 - 109, you still refuse to give Calzaghe any credit at all.
opera123able 6 days ago
@opera123able The amount of fights and age is 100 PERCENT IRRELEVANT
Calzaghe in 2004 said about Glen Johnson "His victory over Jones was impressive, but I believe rather than Johnson looking good it was a case of Jones being a shadow of his former self.", so how can you give him any credit for beating a shadow of Roy Jones 4 years more washed up? Are you kidding?
Tommy Morrison beat an old ass Foreman, good for him, but Tommy's a B fighter and prime George would murder him.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@pearcemark2 LOL you've just contracdicted yourself beyond belief =
'The amount of fights and age is 100 PERCENT IRRELEVANT',
then you stated:
'Tommy Morrison beat an old ass Foreman, good for him, but Tommy's a B fighter and prime George would murder him'.
Your second statement completely contradicts your first. I actually agree with your second statement, the first is ridiculous. Of course age and the number of fights are relevent for most boxers, whether it be in a good or bad way.
opera123able 6 days ago
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@opera123able It doesn't contradict the first at all, idiot.
AGE AND THE NUMBER OF FIGHTS ARE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE
If you lose every fight you have from 20-80 years old, and at 80 you start knocking everyone out, your performance didn't become good until 80 years old. Get the picture, stupid?
Foreman performed best in his 20 and 30s but he was able to retain enough power to be somewhat threatening in old age, though nothing like his prime.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@opera123able In boxing, it's about performance. A lot of mexican fighters are shot by their late 20s. Other guys are performing their best in their mid 30's, such as Calzaghe.
The David Starie fight was a joke. Rick Thornberry? That is the most gutter trash garbage excuse for a title fights there's ever been in boxing. Joe performed horribly in these fights in his supposed "prime", then he destroys Lacy and beats Kessler impressively and people pretend he was better before.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@pearcemark2
Joe was an A minus boxer.
I've just checked, and in fact Sven Ottke fought both Starie and Rick Thornberry also, so if they are good enough for him then the are good for Joe, and you've already said how good Ottke was. Joe and Ottke both fought Byron Mitchell in 2003 also, and Calzaghe TKO'd Mitchell in 2 rounds whilst Ottke only managed a very close split decision and one judge gave it to Mitchell 116-112!
I dont know why Joe and Ottke did'nt fight. Ottke retired on 27/3/2004.
opera123able 6 days ago
@opera123able And Joe and Ottke didn't fight because neither of them wanted to. They were both scared and played a cat-and-mouse game trying to get the other to leave his hometown. Pussy Joe didn't want to go to Germany to unify, and Sven had such a ridiculous deal in Germany getting a huge cut of the gate and PPV and all that jazz, he had no reason to leave as a unified champ and go fight some WBO titleholder that nobody took seriously.
pearcemark2 6 days ago
@opera123able Carl Froch: "Hopkins beat Calzaghe, let's not forget. It was a split decision and a very close call, Calzaghe got beat up, his nose was bust and Hopkins was unmarked."
Joe's post fight comments were "I knew this wouldn't look pretty. He's so awkward. He gave me some good shots. It wasn't my best night"
B-Hop's comments were " I took the guy to school. I made him fight my fight, not his. I controlled the pace, and I controlled the fight."
Clearly B-Hop won
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 Mike Tyson and Carl Froch couldn't score a soccer match. 114-113 for B-Hop would still mean giving Joe 6 rounds, and no one in the whole world who gave it for B-Hop gave it to him by more than a 1 point margin.
Harold Lederman, Larry Merchant, everyone at Sky Sports and HBO all had it for Joe clearly. The people at the BBC only said they thought Hopkins would get a home country decisision, not that he won.
The closest any reasonable judge could give it is 115-114 for Joe Calzaghe.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able AHAHAHAA you silly cunt, first you BLATANTLY FUCKING LIE say every single person scored it for Calzaghe, yet it turns out most media outlets, EVEN JOE'S OWN COUNTRYMEN, scored it for Hopkins, and now you change your story
HAHAAAHHAHAHAAAHAHAH Pathetic
pearcemark2 1 week ago
@pearcemark2 Listen son, your the silly **** for writing ahahahaha & bwhahaha, when did your mum last breast feed you? 10 minutes ago I expect.
Jeff Lacy was a b-class opponant - AFTER Calzghe runied him forever over 12 rounds. Prior to that Lacy had a good record and everyone was raving about him. He was IBF World champ for 5 fights, he had stopped Robins Reid, Omar Sheika and Scott Pemberton. Judge Chuck Giampa is a countryman of Hopkins and he gave it to Joe by 5 rounds.
opera123able 1 week ago
@opera123able Who did Lacy ever beat that was any good? Old ass Omar Sheika? Are you joking me? Lacy always sucked and he was losing a lot of the fights he had before he scored a KO.
He was a paper champion who got a vacant belt after Ottke retired. The same Ottke that Joe refused to go to Germany to fight, because he was terrified of losing that precious 0 on his record. But he was happy to go to Germany to fight bum Mario Veit who he TKO'd in the first round. Coward Joe.
pearcemark2 1 week ago
If anyone is a racist its Hopkins! Love the dude, but if a white fighter said anything close to what he says frequently, they'd be universally hated. I know its different, but nevertheless.
TeedubBoxingUK 1 month ago
Bunce is a good pundit, seems drunk at all times, but he is good, better than a boring Adam Smith, a bit of an arselicker, but come on he is good?
5StarWullie 1 month ago
Steve Bunce is a fat gobshite
MrBrunothedog 1 month ago
id be pissed also if i was given hot chocolate with water instead of milk
gixxerich 1 month ago
Steve Bunce is one hell of a gobshite!!
KB4teen 2 months ago
i seen steve bunce last saturday shopping in birmingham bullring, he looked pissed off lol
frisbyrb5 2 months ago
Is that Bunce or David Brent?
bigdunk9 2 months ago
"hes angry man when he gets angry" classic bunce
LMCEFC 3 months ago
buncey talks shit he thought ortiz deserved a rematch against floyd!
boxermaf 3 months ago
But if you keep folding it, then it keeps breaking...
EddieTheDaddyHitler 4 months ago
bunce does lots of good stuff for boxing,from the amateurs to the pros he gives everybody fair treatment right across the board he ain't racist ,you beat on him for no reason ,bhop throwing his toys out of his pram only because the camera is on him,its only propaganda get used to it in boxing don't take it seriously ,it sells more tickets is all
feckatroll 4 months ago
Bunce is an idiot and a racist. One has to question, why setanta cut out the reason why the beginning of the argument was not shows, despite the fact that cameras were running.
AEF091 4 months ago
@AEF091 he aint racist.
THISISLolesh 3 months ago
@THISISLolesh Yes he is a racist. And for the record this is just pro calzaghe propoganda from the hopkins/calzaghe dvd, a fight which all the professionals acknowledge that hopkins should have won, but because he is normally booed by his own fans, did not get the decision. Regardless of this, hopkins is a professional when it comes to interviews and rarely threatens anyone like this. He is an absolute professional pundit on HBO (a channel who removed lennox for hopkins).
AEF091 3 months ago
@AEF091 Why are you going off on one at me? All i said was Bunce isn't a racist and he isnt.
+I thought Hopkins could have got the decision aswell, hes one of my favourite all-time fighters. He does like to whine and sulk alot however this doesn't mean Steve is a racist.
THISISLolesh 3 months ago
steve bunce acts like a complete cunt and agrees with hopkins--"that is crap"--and then pretends he was in fear for his life the entire time.
i also enjoy him telling viewers that hopkins is a jordan-level celebrity in america. totally accurate.
jdector53 6 months ago
Why cant idiots like Hopkins just shut up a second and let others speak! How can anyone have a dialog with this guy and try to solve the problem he might have when the other guy dont have a chance to talk!
Actually Hopkins sond no better than one of these fat american bitches that complains just because the grass on their lawn turns the wrong way.. jesus christ :)
PeSa1975 6 months ago
bernard being a bitch ....... like a spoilt child
MrIrishrover2011 6 months ago
a masturbating devil
completely appropriate
jdector53 6 months ago
@dianabol75
1. call black guy racist
2. say he's insecure because he's black and thus inferior
great stuff
jdector53 6 months ago
you can see him actually turn into a devil as soon as he says "race card"
jdector53 6 months ago
this nigga came from prison he knows the smell of bullshit.
gamblerzrule45 7 months ago 10
yes sir b-hop is the man!
rtfuhj 4 months ago in playlist boxing 2
i love hopkins !!!!!!!! the fat whiteboy had it cuming lol
TheRey4you 7 months ago
Bernard hopkins is shit.
ak47law 8 months ago
@ak47law Oldest world champion ever... Have some respect! When hes 70 years old hed still beat on little nuthuggers like u
Boylo2492 5 months ago
@Boylo2492 go fuck yourself bitch....that piece of shit is nothing but a low life no class, cheating scum bag...Motherfucker made an art out of headbutting and holding people, roids abuser, most boring fighter in the world and a bullshiter...fuck him, hope he dies in a drive by while scoring crack in compton.
ak47law 5 months ago
@ak47law yea hes from philly dickweednyou wont seem in compton for no reason dipshit! he must have beaten a few of your favorite fighters haha dont cry boo its ok
Boylo2492 5 months ago
i love hopkins hahaha
he was right to be mad, they froze him out f ing with them
amayseng1 8 months ago
the english are insecure lil cunts, still living in the fantasy that england is still the great power that it once was, news flash england aint shit anymore,thats why ur americas lil bitch, doing anything,everything america tells it to do.lol..twats.
char1eston 8 months ago
@char1eston
fuck off you son of a bitch, when Britain says "jump", the yanks ask "how high?"
superdan1875 6 months ago
@char1eston i agree with you about the english but calzaghe beat the best hopkins just not the best roy jones jr. Plus calzaghe is from wales!
Boylo2492 5 months ago
calzaghe is lucky he didnt face the younger hopkins.
char1eston 8 months ago
@char1eston Actually Older Hopkins > Younger Hopkins.
WelfareSymphony 8 months ago
Calzaghe schooled him after initial knock down. Hopkins most cunning Boxer of all time - cling cling box defend defend box, ref - help me out.
rc2869 8 months ago
what a wanker
MrLeigh855 8 months ago
What a diva that Bernard Hopkins is.
CMFLOW1986 9 months ago
1:42
hitmancoolio 10 months ago
Bunce forgot to mention he was being a little to cocky....
futurepast1 10 months ago
@spruntfemalespray what the fuck are talking about you penis? why leave random racially directed comments on a video like this? what the fuck is wrong with you? chill the fuck out and stop being a cunt!!!
1992bosnia 10 months ago
English folks are all insecure pricks.
JCGCINC 11 months ago
@JCGCINC if u ancestor wasnt a criminal u still wud be 1 u cunt
MegaJordyb 10 months ago
@JCGCINC And American's are ignorant dumb asses.
halfilipacman92 8 months ago
@halfilipacman92 I am American and I agree with you.
JCGCINC 8 months ago
Ber------nard, nah,just plain fucking Bernard mate,and a big headed twat at that
mal334455 11 months ago
A woman told him about his socks and stuff and he obviously felt that he couldn't take it out on her so he went for Bunce. Harsh!
incredibleXMan 11 months ago
This was exactly what David Brent would have done! lol! Iike BHop but he thinks all should Quake in his wake - Steve Brent ca
PJ3love 1 year ago
Who is this nob bunce.He needs a good smack in the mouth.Idiot.
locsman 1 year ago
his what? agriculture language ha
NORMANGODS 1 year ago
Steve bunce is a fat gutless coward! Typical yappy loudmouth that gets shut down and humbled when in the presence of someone who see's him for what he is.
bunce is a disgrace to british boxing journalism - always has been.Don't worry though,it won't be long before this fat bastard has a heart attack and drops dead.
tapiaassasin 1 year ago
Tell that white man who runs shit B-Hop! That coon shit is over this aint the '60s
columbusohio72 1 year ago
Bernard wasn't actually having a go at bunce, the two are friends.
he was just angry and telling bunce why he was angry
Infern0121 1 year ago
Hopkins should of leveled that fat piece of shit
happytimes1984 1 year ago
I think everyone is forgetting the statement that Hopkins made to Calzaghe about "I'll never let a white man beat me"...well truth be told that if Calzaghe would have said I'd never let a black man beat me , chances are he would proberbly never be able to box profesionaly again!!..
disabledlamb 1 year ago
@disabledlamb
who cares...
Ahmet1445 1 year ago
@disabledlamb Idiot, Bernard made that statement for promotion, and the fact that Alan Minter ,former World Middleweight champion who was British, told Marvin Hagler he never lose to a black man. Regardless that you made that comment four months ago doesn't remove how naive you are of the sport.
JMDinamitaMarquez 8 months ago
joe kicked your arse bernard you pussy
oakleymurray1 1 year ago
steve bunce shit himself and was doing a bit of arse licking to the x man
oakleymurray1 1 year ago 2
Bunce pushed his luck. He's a douchebag anyway. He has a history of of talking shit. Hopkins caught him & addressed it.
QuincyAD87 1 year ago
All respect to Hopkins as a fighter but his racist diatribes are getting ridiculous,he is a millionaire,champ and ceo,what hasnt this country afforded him,he isnt Rubin Carter,he went to prison for a crime he did commit,how long can you blame whitey for all your problems,and he looks like a real bad ass threatning a fat old reporter,true class
tpen70 1 year ago
typical black man moaning like a cunt. cause life is just too tough!!!
bareknuckle26 1 year ago
@bareknuckle26 typical white shit talking shit on youtube
proni1 1 year ago
@bareknuckle26
You sound like an idiot.
Aztech355 1 year ago 2
Steve bunce is both a racist and too nationalistic. He is also a shit pundit. Hopkins should have knocked him out
AEF091 1 year ago
I wish Bunce didn't bottle it, I know he ain't gonna knock him out, but at least use ur big mouth when it matters.
mesmerisingly 1 year ago
Next time Hopkins comes to England in winter, he should take some tips from Ron Lyle on how to dress. Look for the Ali-Lyle pre-fight here on youtube and check out the threads that Lyle has on during his interview with Howard Cosell. He's wearing a some super cool 70s gear.
squarey1 1 year ago
if i was buncey i would grabbed hopkins balls and dick with one hand squeezed and twisted whilst ramming him into the wall and shouting u do not talk to me like that boy!
archertank2 1 year ago
@archertank2 lol hopkins would shank u right then and there
oaklandstephen 1 year ago 13
@oaklandstephen you right ;) hopkins is the man
neven3000 10 months ago
@archertank2 Well prepare to get "Executed" then...
mootle661 1 year ago
Greatest Middle Weight Champion of All time Bernard Hopkins.
Lion21Zero 1 year ago
@Lion21Zero yeh very paitient too. waited 17 years to beat a now washed boxer.
funnyblackmans 1 year ago
@funnyblackmans Bernard Hopkins contunies to pull up sets look what he did to Kelly Pavlik who at the time was the undisputed Middle weight champion of the world, Beat him when he was in his prime, beat Felix Trindiad, when Trinidad was the man and un defeated,hes a true athlete and In My opinion a hall of famer, and a true ring legend.
Lion21Zero 1 year ago
@Lion21Zero yhyh im not saying nnot good or nothing. i just think hes a little "cheap" back head shots and especially waiting that long to fight jones when hes old and shouldnt even be fighting. i mean why the fuck didnt he rematch him 17 years ago ?
cheap ass. sill a good boxer no dout.
funnyblackmans 1 year ago
@funnyblackmans B hop does foul, In some of his fights, If your asking me who i like more, I like Roy Jones Jr bro, Thats My favirte fighter, I think Roys, the Greatest Light Heavy Champion, of all time, But I think Bernards the middle weight, king, I was very diapionted with there rematch, If only they couldve fought before Roy Fought John Ruiz, I still think Roy woulve beat him but never the less there both Legends, and hall of famers, But I got go with Roy Jones Jr Over BHOp.
Lion21Zero 1 year ago
@Lion21Zero yh man me too. im not sure about middleweight king. id think that is Robinson. but he is the the P4P king so maybe. but its all a matter of opinion.
funnyblackmans 1 year ago
@funnyblackmans Im saying of this Era Bernards the middele weight king, Dont forget you had Hagler also.How was the Middle weight King of the 80.Its been great never the less I still Like Roy over Bernard , and will just have to wait and see If Bernards gonna still fight.
Lion21Zero 1 year ago
@Lion21Zero true true. i guess i never thought about of his Era. yhyh Hagler was a fuckin beast. yh Roy Jones is one of my favourite boxers.
funnyblackmans 1 year ago
@Lion21Zero I prefer Calzaghe, he beat them both you know
jonlcfc1 1 year ago
if calzaghe had said he would never lose to a black man the world would have gone mad calling him racist but when its a DIRTY NIGGER saying it its not racist
frenchielcfc 1 year ago
does anyone else have that problem, whereby they say "race card" and turn into the devil?
TheyCallMeMrburt 1 year ago
@supermario103 you are correct sometimes you dont speak let the guy talk dan you say sorry and you go on from there, but this was not oke.peace
xxxjayjay1988xxx 1 year ago
Bunce = Dunce
yasbeuck 1 year ago
Bunce is incapable of dealing with a situation....let alone on tv!!!
LuNaaaaaR 1 year ago
My boy b hop
Jbizzle390 1 year ago
feed him to the pigs errol
bigdfrombermondsey 1 year ago
fuck him the fucking mug cunt
bigdfrombermondsey 1 year ago
G-town Philly in the house! Bernard!
RaceIsOpen 1 year ago
Wow he was wearing a Haiti jacket lol
figthersdreams 1 year ago
oh boo hoo he was in a cold place poor bernie bless his wolly socks
TheSparkle7 1 year ago
@TheSparkle7 he was in a cold place and they wanted him to strip into his gear for a photo shoot. I'd complain too
intoccabile 1 year ago
"my feets is frozen", Hopkins is a thug
YorySesca 1 year ago
I hope Hopkins fights Haye and gets decapitated in the process.
crownofthevalley 1 year ago
I don't like B Hop as a Boxer but you have to respect him for his accomplishments and this guy was trying his best to treat B Hop like shit.
Goodpuncher 1 year ago
agricultural language @1.49-1.50 lol!!!
madubaym 1 year ago
yo this dude is really fukkn stupid---> dont like him at all
papersoulja27 1 year ago
Wait, the race card was played? You've gotta be joking. I've never heard of that happening before.
mikecatadjuster 1 year ago
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shandy41 1 year ago
He looks like The Game.
resistence23 1 year ago
imagine the people with no papers n shit they got no choice but to get there tools n work they aint got no time to wait for that unemployment check, you dont work you dont eat. last time i checked only bitches whined
Elterrible1127 1 year ago 8
@Elterrible1127 and only bitches come to a country illegally with no papers and ruins it fo everyone with their violence and bullshit!!!!
fibonacci1904 1 year ago