Three industries with the most government involvement: banking/finance, health care, education. What person in his or her right mind really thinks they need more "help" from government? Government interference has the greatest amount of market distortion and inflationary pressure than just about anything else.
Ryan for prez when he gets through getting these reforms through...listen to the big govt libs cry ...well a few of them, TheKMBT and Gopkicksbutt and piglatinstupidstar are the same person with multiple YT ids
Thanks to liberal policies America can no longer afford to pay for medicare, social security, unemployment and many other services. We also need to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr in order to compete with China and bring jobs back home. Fiscally responsible conservatives like Paul Ryan and John Boehner know this and are currently
working to end these wasteful handout programs and bring the minimum wage down so that America can be great again. God bless the GOP!
The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affardable health care. I'm all for that
The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affordable health care. I'm all for that. SUCKERS!!!
If you've ever read The Fountainhead (one of Paul Ryans favorite books), you would realize that Paul Ryan is the character of Peter Keating. He is a corporate lapdog, spewing forth the words of his lobbyist masters (Ellsowrth Toohey), without actually understanding the end result. This type of ignorant obedience we see here, displayed by Paul Ryan, is the real threat to everyones freedom.
Notice how all Repubs are praising him as genius? Just like Toohey's minions did in The Fountainhead.
Paul Ryan gets the best health care money can buy and you're payin for it-SUCKERS! Meanwhile, he's trying to privatize it so the industry can jack up your premiums (if you're lucky enough to afford them) even more than they are now. If you ever see this nigger ask him how much he pays for health insurance! BTW no one in Canada has ever gone banckrupt (you will if Ryan has his way) from medical bills. Say it with me 'SUCKERS"!
Paul Ryan gets the best health care money can buy and you're payin for it-SUCKERS! Meanwhile, he's trying to privatize it so the industry can jack up your premiums (if you're lucky enough to afford them) even more than they are now. If you ever see this nigger ask him how much he pays for health insurance! BTW no one in Canada has ever gone banckrupt (you will if Ryan has his way) from medical bills. Say it with me 'SUCKERS"!
Ryan wants to give MORE tax breaks to the rich so they can build more factories overseas. This is a continuation of the Bush years where 8 million jobs were
outsourced. If this nigger has his way none of us will have jobs, health care, or social security! America deserves better!
Paul Ryan got heckled/shouted down at his own TOWN HALL in Wisconsin 2 DAYS AGO (on APRIL 19, 2011). He tried to use the old "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH" arguement, again... the people called him out out on it. The people are catching on to him and all the KICKBACKS that republicans are getting from the RICH. Tides are a changin' my friend... join us!!
Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
I am apolitical. That said, Mr. Ryan, you are a moron. When all is said and done, Scott Walker is going to go down as the Governor who fought the common man, the working man. Your horse, whether you like it or not, is now hitched to the cart of this political idiot. Walker has ruined his political career by attacking a union. The voters will now associate you with him. You want to be president one day, don't you? You'll never win the working vote, now bound, as you are, to anti-unionism.
Ryan wants to privatize you and your childrens future by taking your social security and giving it to the bankers. This means you and your children will have nothing! This nigger sucks Wall Streets cock-and swallows! You have been warned!
@Vetwolf13 funny....65% of democrats receive campaign money while 35% of republicans have...take a look back and find out who changed the rules of wallstreet to where they were allowed to be careless...hint:It's not the Republicans
@nitagirl614 You must get your facts from Glenn Beck. He's full of shit too. You are right about one thing for a change-Obama along with the republicans bailed out Wall Street and for that he'll not get my vote again.
Paul Ryan is a weasel that doesn't make sense. He likes to blame Obama, but Obama inherited a big pile of shit from Bush. If America wants to succeed, it has to fix itself before it ever prospers again. Get back to the basics, secure your borders, fix the drug problems, thugs and jerks like Paul Ryan. What a drama queen.
Paul Ryan has it right. Democrats have it wrong. In the Great Recession, Americans found out Madoff's ponzi scheme didn't work, why continue to have 3 major ponzi schemes-Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid that steal from the younger generation and give to the older generation? Democrats need to stop defending these failing government programs and be more tolerant and accept different alternatives that work.
the direct effect will be on the poor. they pay these taxes regardless of their income, with no benifit to claim, we will have taxed poor people all along at 18 percent.when you change the accounting for these programs its apparent what has been done. essentially taxing the food out of their mouth for years and for what ?
@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
@kndrice Convincing people that pivatizing SS and Medicare to balance the budget will never work. There is a reason this bullshit artist only has 13 co-sponsors to his 'Roadmap"
I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
Kissing retirment "goodbye" will happen regardless, as Social SEcurity will go bankrupt by 2020. It's unsustainable.
They want to cut taxes across the board. That helps small businsses as well as the top 1% wealthy. The trickle down economics worked just fine in the past when the Reagan administration brought about more prosperity and growth than did Bush or Obama.
@Vetwolf13 you have problems if you think social security = retirement, even if SSI survives it is still a kind of insurance program(one that i wouldnt buy into if i had choice) more than retirement and if you are planning on those insurance payments being your retirement... good luck. Beyond that it is essentially a giant ponzi scheme and was doomed to fail from the beginning P.S. You fail at understanding the topic and should avoid discussing it till you do
@cjm608 He is similar to Bush. It is unethical to use force (gov or otherwise) to compel one person to pay for another person's medical bills. Period. We already have Socialized Medicine in the USA: Medicare, Medicaid, Presc. Drugs, tax subsidy for employer health benefits, and regulations deeming doctors and hospitals must help the "public".
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
Someone should tell Boner, Ryan and the rest of that right wing clan that there's a middle class in this country and they need help! Maybe they could for one minute stop being yes men for the wealthy elite and give a damn about the rest of America!
@indymadferit If it was a village in the land of utopia that all Democrats seem to think they can create through overwhelming govermental dicates, legislation, edicts, executive orders and regulation. You know history has shown how well tribalism, communism, facism and socialism works. End sarcasam.
@CoryEttinger -- last year one man in America made $5 Billion Dollars & paid only 15% of income in tax, thinks to the Bush tax cuts for the super-rich.
This pisses me off as other middle-income Americans & I pay 30%+
And what will his tax rate be if Ryan gets his plan passed?
Ryan and the rest of the right wing are just tools for the wealthy elite! Everyone of these niggers voted against progressive health care or extending unemployment benefits . They exist for the sole purpose of enriching the wealthy elite at the expense of the middle class! What have they done for you lately?
@CoryEttinger DemocRATS have no actual individual thoughts. It's groupthink GIVEN to them by the ruling elite. They say that they are for the poor, working, minorities, but rule against us every chance they get. What they do is tell those that are uneducated or self hating what they want to feel good, then do what they want as elitists. It's sad really how duped DemocRAT voters are.
@TheKmbt More bigotted speech out of you huh? Nice slurs. I guess the weak of mind go there when there's no where else for them to go. Of course they're against progressive governmental health care, it's a failure everywhere it's instituted in the world. Wake up. Really what have the DemonRats done for you that they promised to do? Unemployment benefits are simply a saftey net, but with their policies they have made them welfare.
I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS!! WE ARE STILL NEEDING TO WAKE UP!! YOU HAVE TO WATCH "ZIETGIEST" THE MOVIE.....ITS ALL THE CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM. BUSH WAS INVOLVED WITH 9/11 AND WITH THE BANKS THAT LOANED TO BOTH SIDES....LOOK ON GOOGLE FOR ZIETGIEST AND WATCH THE MOVIE!!! CHECK-MATE!!!!
blah blah blah...does this idiot realize that the real founding fathers of this country were Native Americans? Those "founders" he is talking about staked claim to a country that was already inhabited.
The Republicans are the party of Logic just like Paul Ryan and Jason Chaffetz, the party of emotion is that of the liberals. There are acts in health care that force hospitals to cover patients no matter the circumstance, I.E Parkland Hospital in Dallas Texas. If you have a sore throat go to a free clinic in the are near you for help, it is that easy. You may wait a long time for treatment, but with this new bill you will wait even longer.
Mr. Ryan, When will you run for President. 2012 would be great. Lets move the Socialist out of the White House and take our country back. We will stand through the tough times, but give us someone who is a honest, and will fix what is broken!
Where was Ryan for the past 8 years? GOP had 8 years and no healthcare. No energy bill. Just war and deregulation. i dont like dems but i wouldnt replace them with republicans. ill give these suits a couple more years after that they are my enemies.
Thank God for this man!!! 2010 elections cannot happen fast enough as this crappy farce of a travesty bill loses more and more public support on a daily basis. It will NEVER save money? NOTHING the government controls ever works out - it only costs more and lines the pockets of the politicians.
cmillholland, if you love Communism and Socialism so much then why don't you go and move to those kinds of countries? There are so many of them out there! Take your pick! and leave MY country alone!
cmillholland, if you love Communism and Socialism so much then why don't you go and move to those kinds of countries? There are so many of them out there! Take your pick! and leave MY country alone!
In other words profits of billion's of dollars are more important than some one recieving healthcare
One major question! where were your ideas when they were forming healthcare reform.
This has only been a problem for how many years? Effecting how many people for how long ? Answer this one question! If you can answer it better than my answer. ill vote against Obama
To fix health care. We need only to look at the bible. Do what jesus would do and DID.
@americanteabagger , jesus never forced money away from anyone. he never set aside an additional billion dollars to hire 15,000 new internal revenue agents to police every person in america and put in jail anyone who didn't comply. it may surprise you but over 85% with health insurance are happy. others without insurance aren't turned away even for minor problems. in other words, we didn't have a health crisis. we need more efficiency, not a takeover that will ruin the best care in the world.
americanteabagger, jesus only asked for 10% no matter how much money someone made and no matter how little someone made. jesus expected all to contribute, all to work hard, to love their brother, not to envy, not to covet what others have.
@cmpm439 The best health care in the world? I hate to break it to you, but we're number 37! Also, if you're happy with the plan you can keep it. People are turned away for not having coverage or the insurance company not wanting to pay.
@FURepublicans, we are 37th according to the WHO, which ranks according to ridiculous standards, especially whether a nation has universal health care no matter how decrepit that system may be. if you have doubts just consider that we rank with cuba which has very little medical equipment and a regular shortage of medicine to go along with decaying buildings left from a time when free people were not centrally controlled. our new law is meant to eventually funnel everyone into universal care.
@FURepublicans , also, people are not turned away from care. nobody dies in the street because they cannot get care. if they do die, it is because they don't seek care. also, polls show that an overwhelming majority of people with health insurance are happy with their care. medicare rejects twice as many claims as private insurers already. that number will only get worse as more people move onto government roles and there are less private insurers to continue subsidizing government patients.
@cmpm439 Nope. People do die regularly because they can't get care. I personally kinow someone who got turned away because they didn't have insurance. Not to mention, that lack of insurance is the number 1 cause of bankruptcy.
@FURepublicans not every provider within a community must accept non insured patients but every community has providers who must treat uninsured patients. medical providers, required or not, will not turn away an emergency situation. far more common are cases where emergency rooms are filled with non emergency cases clogging the system. we need better efficiency for indigent care, not a complete takeover, which is coming soon. bankruptcy laws could be softened for medical cases.
@FURepublicans,my wife volunteers at a local community clinic that treated over 50,000 different people by way of 200,000 visits last year. patients paid according to ability. that is a much better model for indigence than the current model that will eventually dismantle the best health care ever known. more free stuff to more people is leading us down the path to bankruptcy and undermining the work ethic and dignity of free people. we can do better than the socialist model we are moving toward.
@FURepublicans , do you bother to read past responses to your comments? if you want a reasoned discussion you have to dig deeper and quit repeating. ranking health care is like ranking best places to live. a million dollar neighborhood overlooking the pacific where the sun shines 300 day, no crime and best schools might be ranked in the middle of the pack because the main ranking criteria is affordability. that is our situation. best health care ever, ranked lower based on cost and universality.
@FURepublicans First off, this is the World Health Organization's ranking, second, anyone younger than 20 killed in the drug war is classified a "child", giving us one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world. We have the finest health care, we do not have the safest streets, but that's not a reflection on our hospitals, which are 2nd to none. Tell me which country has the highest influx of patients? - it sure as hell isn't Cuba.
@FURepublicans Don't conflate your friend being turned away for no insurance with "people dying" - no one is dying for lack of treatment. This is a BS spurious argument made by people who don't understand how hospitals work. The same idiots who suddenly became climate experts are now medical experts. Give us numbers, numbnuts, facts. You've seen facts before, haven't you? They're in books. I've already read the Daily Kos talking points, tell me something new, you know, factual.
@Torpedo8 It's fucking true jackass! If you cannot get treatment, what happens? YOU DIE! That is from a HArvard study hat thousands die yearly due to lack of insurance! Get off your FAUX noise talking points and learn what the hell is going on!
@FURepublicans Once again, you're confusing treatment with insurance, they are not the SAME. You can't establish a logical argument if you can't get your terms straight. By law hospitals cannot turn away anyone in serious shape, they have to stabilize them 1st , then get them to the local indigent hospital. I don't watch TV, so can you change your mantra? It makes you sound dumber than a sack of hammers. And pray tell, what do you do for a living that makes you the expert on this? Curious.
@Torpedo8 If you don't have insurance, you cannot get treated at the vast majority of places in America! Hospitals can't turn away critical patients but that line is blurred! Critical is life threatening! Someone's elbow may be dislocated, that's not life threatening if their vitals are in normal range. Get your head out of your ass!
@FURepublicans You're making my point for me - the emergency room is for emergencies, but what do we see? A family of four arrives in an ambulance with sore throats, a stoved thumb, a splinter, a pregnancy test. Your 1st sentence is a complete lie, based on 31 years of experience. Perhaps if you were familiar with hospitals that would help? Hospitals CANNOT BY LAW turn away critical patients - they must be stabilized and then sent to the Co. hospital. Spout whatever - this is the TRUTH.
@Torpedo8 They have to treat emergencies. However, is cancer an emergency? Only when they have trouble breathing, etc. They don't have to provide meds! When they do treat people, they shift the costs over! A 20 doallr sling costs 150! I think you need to use your internet service. Lack of health care is the number 1 cause of bankruptcies!
@FURepublicans "...unlike the more widely quoted Warren study, which had to use a tenuous definition of causation to make its sensational claim that 50% of bankruptcies were due to a medical event--which turned into the even more sensational claim that 50% of bankruptcies were due to high medical bills in the hands of innumerate activists and journalists."
@FURepublicans yes it is bad, but this healthcare bill is certainly not the answer. 6 years of taxes for 10 years of spending does not add up. The european social welfare state is not sustainable as seen right now. It only gets harder to sustain the larger the population thats covered.
@FURepublicans The No. 1 cause of bankruptcy is reckless spending, not a lack of insurance. Millions of Americans earn $50,000/yr and have no medical insurance, thousands of people making $75,000/yr have no medical insurance.
@cmpm439 LMAO You're already paying for the "Emergency Room" plan in the form of higher costs and premiums where those who can't pay will continue to get free health care - all the while we keep paying for it.Why not allow people to get something fixed BEFORE it turns into an emergency?EVERY country that the US has fought (including Iraq and Afghanistan) have health care for everyone.Why should our heros have worse coverage when they ETS than those they fought?
@IWLocal8 few have a problem helping those in need. the problem is an overreaching federal government taking over health care decisions for all. i vounteer in a local clinic with 5 outlets that treats 50,000 people through 200,000 visits per year, paying what they can to receive excellent treatment. that system would work well for those in need while others keep free market options they currently have. americans spoke again in missouri, 71% said no, arrogant blow hard pols continue to ignore us.
@cmpm439 45,000 people dying every year due to no health insurance kinda says that people DO have a problem helping those in need.Majority of bankruptcies are because of medical bills.
Fact is more people support health care reform than oppose it.What was rejected in Missouri was forcing people to have health care, NOT health care reform.Please let's not be misleading.
@IWLocal8 you are the one being misleading. I support healthcare reform as does Paul Ryan. What we don't support is government takeover of health care by arrogant blow hard politicians who demonize the private sector and create a hostile business climate that is killing the job market. How does health care get better by going into a depression? We are creating a ruling class that will destroy health care for all but their friends, family and preferred lobbyists. Missouri gets it. Open your eyes.
@cmpm439 The reform Ryan supports is removing a program that works and privatizing it into one that won't.The ruling class that you're talking about includes the private insurance companies who try to turn down as many people as they can in the name of big profits.They spent millions a day lobbying.
@IWLocal8 That's true that they are greedy bastards. But the only reason for that is because we have a corporate healthcare system, and not a free market system. Government tarriffs and laws requiring a business to provide health insurance restrict the available market, inducing people to accept what their employer gives them. This monopolizes our healthcare providers, along with tariffs that restrict interstate sales from healthcare companies.
@ltkhokie1 What's wrong with Single Payer? Your Free Market health care would still involve corprations.
Aren't we paying for the uninsured now with our "Emergency Room" plan? Isn't an infection cheaper to treat when it first arises compared to not having insurance and then NEEDING to get it taken care of after it spreads throughout the body?
@cmpm439 I am an atheist, but even if you don't believe in god, Jesus was awesome. Who could say that he would FORCE people with threats to help one another? He never would. He lived the example of convincing people by appealing to their spirit. ...and I believe that is why the Big Gov people need to discredit religion and Christianity: because they teach proper ETHICS. They want gov to be god.
@cmpm439 If you're going to make such outrageous claims you must provide evidence supporting them. It is simply not true that "15,000 new IRS agents are being hired to police everyone in America". It's a blatant lie. Where the hell do you come up with this information? Or are you just saying what Bachmann said? Think for yourself. Do your own research and find verifiable, credible evidence. Is that too hard for you? Get a grip on reality.
@americanteabagger, profits are what seeds research, what provides retirement earnings for pension funds, what provides seed money for new businesses and new jobs that provide security and dignity for free people to raise their families and build solid, caring communities. you have it upside down if you think that by running our economy through the washington sewer that there will be more money to go around. profits instead go to friends and family of politicians without competition.
Majority rules but only when the president acts as a lobbyist with my tax dollars and buys votes for the bill. If it was a true Majority rules this wouldn't have passed b/c the majority of US Citizens do NOT support this bill.
Apparently you haven't been paying attention. EVERY president has lobbied Congress for legislation. Its a job requirement. And we have a representative democracy, not a government where we poll on congressional bills. A *majority* of US citizens voted for the Lobbyist-in-Chief and put a majority of congresscritters in office to vote in Obamacare. That's how this works. Get over it. Support you claims. Just cuz you and the guys at Tea Bag Central don't like it doesn't make you a Majority.
@Hellpig Please say off the Interstate Highways. And when you get you first SS check, mail it to me so you can disenfranchise yourself from Socialism.
Just a quick typo therea cillymillholland. but your right ! He does deserve to have it spelt right. just remember cillymill "a Smile can hide all the pain when your down and riding on a train thats taking you the wrong way". So Vote Conservative in November.
I want to start a truth in history project and need help. I want to go out and pay everyday americans a 50.00 stipend to take a quick historical test to see what they know about progressivism and our founding fathers and then teach them the truth. It is amazing to me that kids now think the KKK was founded by republicans and it is was not
If "free" health care by the government makes societies healthier, then it should stand to reason that Medicaid people are more healthy and have lower obesity, lower smoking, lower diabetes, lower violence, lower hypertension and heart disease, cancer, higher longevity, etc. These are the things the govt claims will improve when people have access, yet I think those on Medicaid currently do not reflect that to be true.
The nazis and communists had 'free health care' too, of course it came with a price, but it was such a 'small price to pay' dont you agree my fellow comrade Amerikansky?
oystla: We use more health care because we start out less healthy. A persons overall health is impacted by 50% lifestyle and behavior, 20% genetics, 20% society and environment, 10% health care system. We have much higher obesity, teen pregnancy, drug/tobacco use, auto accident rates, rapes, gun violence, total crime rates. When these are high, health care spending is too. We don't ration through the government, they do which keeps their spending lower, they are NOT more efficient.
Yes, I should be held personally responsible for the recklessness of others who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Well said my fellow comrade Amerikansky, the nazis and communists are smiling up from hell at you.
Please forgive me my fellow comrade Amerikansky, I meant to say that the Soviet Socialists Republic of America will be well suited for more social 'projects' in the pursuit of 'social justice'
What you have to ask yourself is: Why is US using 13% of it's GDP if private insurance is more efficient than healtcare covered by the government as in Europe.
All Europe governments are using less of it's GDP on healthcare, and this proves efficiency!
I'm living in Norway, with healthcare 100% covered by governement. I don't need to fight against insurance companies and are happy with that! And Norway use "Only" 9% of GDP on healthcare.
Listen stupid euromongrel. You quote numbers that were fed to you by your marxist masters. Crawl back under the rock from whence you came and continue to live in the dark.
Castro hailed Obamacare as a miracle and an important battle and a success of (Obamas) government. Castro stated Obamas health care is like the one enacted in Cuba a half century ago. Last year Castro said his countrys spending on health care was simply unsustainable.
The amount of debt incured can only be viewed like this. $50 Trillion in principle debt obligation is 10X greater than all the stocks on the Canadian Exchange at face value. No one on Earth has that kind of cash. $200 Trillion principle debt is greater than all the stars in the milky way galaxy! You can charge $1 for every grain of sand on the beaches of the world and not total $200 Trillion. Sarbanes Oxley and GAAP acct required for Congress!
1) Healthcare projection by GAO gov, CBO gov, OCC treas gov, all state Medicare, Medicaid, and SS will top $50 Trillion with + $2 Trillion in interest payment.
2) Government printing money or monitization of debt by selling 20-30 year and Fed buying 2--5 year debts to net 2% has created $200 Trillion in principle debt obligations tax payers owe, see occ treas gov. It's free money for Congress but it $200,000,000,000,000 principle debt for tax payers or + $4-$5 Trillion in yr int payment
Rep. Ryan, where not talking about Burney Madoff $50 Billion, the reports all state $50 Trillion in healthcare principle debt 1000X bigger. The interest payment alone is greater than $2 Trillion per year. Where is the savings? It a big fat PONSI SCAM. When current outlays for interest is paid for by future borrowing against interest and taxes it's a PONSI SCAM there is no investment it's rolling debt scam, pyramid or PONSI Scam!
Rep. Ryan, When are you going to require Cogress, House and Senate to follow Sarbanes Oxley and GAAP accounting procedures? Gao gov reporting USA refinancing $5 Trillion in short term interest payments. Ave Int 2.5% or $200 Trillion in real debt principle. Occ treas gov. Go to ssa gov and look at the Ponsi Scam of $2 Trillion in Social Security. Projection from GAO, CBO, Cato Inst, etc all reporting $50 Trillion principle debt Healthcare or $2 Trillion annual interest payments. Just Debt!
This is a bitter pill for us to take, but we must face it, if we want America to remain the home of the free. Let's be brave and worthy of what our founders left us.
Mr Ryan has taxpayer subsidized health care. So, he has the very thing he detests.
Mr Ryan is a profession politicians. He has never been anything but a politician and working as a consultant to your rich parents company doesn't count.
He has it because it's a term of his employment, if you want the same thing go into politics or join the Army.
Honestly, what you said is just about the most unobservant end of analytical critique that you can possibly give, just because one person has something because it's a benefit of their job does not mean that you have a right to it.
Are you really so simple that you can't understand or an employment benefit is as opposed to an entitlement benefit?
@bigboss686: This is the same guy who says Mark Neumann benefited from Socialism by starting a business during his subsidized summer vacations when he was a school teacher. This is sort of the stump end of the argument that all public servants are inherently bad and self-serving.
What are you smoking? The voting process is going to kick out these Democratic frauds come November. That is our voting process, the majority of American people oppose this travesty of a bill.
@Apollo5600 Don't hold your breath. Most people are gonna be so sick of hearing about this or that government crap being shoved down their their throats and no birth certificate No-Obama crap that the Republican resurgence will be quite underwhelming.
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I was not speaking of flaws, but additional entitlement - Health Care and the expense to our government. American is already deep in debt and H/C is an added expense. The H/C Bill mess would could be relate as to a employer and employee.
Business owner says, I have a lot of bills right now could loose my business. Employee says, Can you give me a 25% raise?
Employer does not need added expense and employee may not have a job in 1 year.
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Piglatinsuperstar 3 months ago
Three industries with the most government involvement: banking/finance, health care, education. What person in his or her right mind really thinks they need more "help" from government? Government interference has the greatest amount of market distortion and inflationary pressure than just about anything else.
SW34R3NG3N 3 months ago
Good Job Paul Ryan... keep up the good work!
ChuckMBA 3 months ago
Ryan for prez when he gets through getting these reforms through...listen to the big govt libs cry ...well a few of them, TheKMBT and Gopkicksbutt and piglatinstupidstar are the same person with multiple YT ids
tbwil11 8 months ago
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Thanks to liberal policies America can no longer afford to pay for medicare, social security, unemployment and many other services. We also need to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr in order to compete with China and bring jobs back home. Fiscally responsible conservatives like Paul Ryan and John Boehner know this and are currently
working to end these wasteful handout programs and bring the minimum wage down so that America can be great again. God bless the GOP!
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GOPkicksbutt 9 months ago
The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affardable health care. I'm all for that
TheKmbt 9 months ago
Ryan is just a CORPORATE WHORE!
DillonDee1 9 months ago
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The one good thing about Ryan's budget proposal is that it will put a lot of right wingers out of thier jobs and homes. They'll have to move in with the kids who won't have jobs either. Many will die from lack of proper affordable health care. I'm all for that. SUCKERS!!!
Vetwolf13 10 months ago
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If you've ever read The Fountainhead (one of Paul Ryans favorite books), you would realize that Paul Ryan is the character of Peter Keating. He is a corporate lapdog, spewing forth the words of his lobbyist masters (Ellsowrth Toohey), without actually understanding the end result. This type of ignorant obedience we see here, displayed by Paul Ryan, is the real threat to everyones freedom.
Notice how all Repubs are praising him as genius? Just like Toohey's minions did in The Fountainhead.
Mephazel 10 months ago
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Paul Ryan gets the best health care money can buy and you're payin for it-SUCKERS! Meanwhile, he's trying to privatize it so the industry can jack up your premiums (if you're lucky enough to afford them) even more than they are now. If you ever see this nigger ask him how much he pays for health insurance! BTW no one in Canada has ever gone banckrupt (you will if Ryan has his way) from medical bills. Say it with me 'SUCKERS"!
TheKmbt 10 months ago
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Paul Ryan gets the best health care money can buy and you're payin for it-SUCKERS! Meanwhile, he's trying to privatize it so the industry can jack up your premiums (if you're lucky enough to afford them) even more than they are now. If you ever see this nigger ask him how much he pays for health insurance! BTW no one in Canada has ever gone banckrupt (you will if Ryan has his way) from medical bills. Say it with me 'SUCKERS"!
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Vetwolf13 10 months ago
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Ryan wants to give MORE tax breaks to the rich so they can build more factories overseas. This is a continuation of the Bush years where 8 million jobs were
outsourced. If this nigger has his way none of us will have jobs, health care, or social security! America deserves better!
Vetwolf13 10 months ago
Paul Ryan got heckled/shouted down at his own TOWN HALL in Wisconsin 2 DAYS AGO (on APRIL 19, 2011). He tried to use the old "REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH" arguement, again... the people called him out out on it. The people are catching on to him and all the KICKBACKS that republicans are getting from the RICH. Tides are a changin' my friend... join us!!
elwaybigfan 10 months ago
@elwaybigfan Where can I see this? He seems like such a corporate tool.
Spartacus217 10 months ago
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Ryan and the GOP believe in choices!! That's right-if they have their way senior citizens will have to make lots of choices - one choice they'll have to make will be between health care and food! SUCKERS!!!
Vetwolf13 10 months ago
Go Paul! You rock!
Giving benefits to the rich and screwing over the working class, the poor, and the elderly!
You're a role model for Satanists everywhere!
Wow, 70,000 children are estimated to die from your proposed budget slashing, and yet you give benefits to the wealthiest Americans!
And GE paid NO FEDERAL TAXES in 2010. ZERO!
Hey Paul, what's The Devil like in person?
Is he nice to you once you get to know him?
Go Paul!
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Lllburns 10 months ago
Paul Ryan's ideas are a joke. He would bankrupt the middle class while giving huge tax cuts to the rich.
The GOP's "solutions" are merely handouts to the rich using our money.
amitbarfs 1 year ago
@amitbarfs You're so dense
nitagirl614 10 months ago
@nitagirl614
At least I'm not a woman.
amitbarfs 9 months ago
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I am apolitical. That said, Mr. Ryan, you are a moron. When all is said and done, Scott Walker is going to go down as the Governor who fought the common man, the working man. Your horse, whether you like it or not, is now hitched to the cart of this political idiot. Walker has ruined his political career by attacking a union. The voters will now associate you with him. You want to be president one day, don't you? You'll never win the working vote, now bound, as you are, to anti-unionism.
parafleet 1 year ago
Ryan wants to privatize you and your childrens future by taking your social security and giving it to the bankers. This means you and your children will have nothing! This nigger sucks Wall Streets cock-and swallows! You have been warned!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 funny....65% of democrats receive campaign money while 35% of republicans have...take a look back and find out who changed the rules of wallstreet to where they were allowed to be careless...hint:It's not the Republicans
nitagirl614 10 months ago
@nitagirl614 You must get your facts from Glenn Beck. He's full of shit too. You are right about one thing for a change-Obama along with the republicans bailed out Wall Street and for that he'll not get my vote again.
Vetwolf13 10 months ago
Paul Ryan is a weasel that doesn't make sense. He likes to blame Obama, but Obama inherited a big pile of shit from Bush. If America wants to succeed, it has to fix itself before it ever prospers again. Get back to the basics, secure your borders, fix the drug problems, thugs and jerks like Paul Ryan. What a drama queen.
ronnyjoejimbob 1 year ago
I see some Ron Paul similarities in this guy. I don't know much about Paul Ryan, but he sure spoke truth in this video.
72tubecat 1 year ago 6
Paul Ryan has it right. Democrats have it wrong. In the Great Recession, Americans found out Madoff's ponzi scheme didn't work, why continue to have 3 major ponzi schemes-Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid that steal from the younger generation and give to the older generation? Democrats need to stop defending these failing government programs and be more tolerant and accept different alternatives that work.
BlackRepublican2010 1 year ago 3
the direct effect will be on the poor. they pay these taxes regardless of their income, with no benifit to claim, we will have taxed poor people all along at 18 percent.when you change the accounting for these programs its apparent what has been done. essentially taxing the food out of their mouth for years and for what ?
me28andholding 1 year ago
@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
s0ta21 1 year ago
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@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
s0ta21 1 year ago
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@MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
s0ta21 1 year ago
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MsZeitgiest85: So we should convince them that SS and MC are solvent? The CBO said back in 04 that SS was going to be solvent until 2053. The same study from the CBO stated that it was going to be deficit neutral till 2019. They were wrong. SS has tanked since then. The 2009 SS Trustees report states by 2016, the program will hit a permanent negative cash flow when annual benefit payments exceed annual payroll tax revenue. A real bullshit artist? Hegel.
s0ta21 1 year ago
Paul Ryan = Full of Shit Milton Freedman Clown.
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
@MsZeitgeist85 = ignorant, Jimmy Carter Clown. Oh yeah, and you don't listen, otherwise you would actually understand. Typical liberal.
kndrice 1 year ago
@kndrice Convincing people that pivatizing SS and Medicare to balance the budget will never work. There is a reason this bullshit artist only has 13 co-sponsors to his 'Roadmap"
MsZeitgeist85 1 year ago
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I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
How about we stop sending jobs overseas,maybe there will be work for people.
Vinelandar 1 year ago
to some of you. look who his biggest contributors are. it 's insurance companies. he's shameful.
cjm608 1 year ago
I hope all you unemployed, and soon to be unemployed inbred right wingers remember not one republican voted to extend unemployment comp!
AND, the very first thing they will do if they get the majority is to cut taxes for the wealthy elite. This is where thier hearts are at. How's that trickle down economics working for you?
AND, Ryan, Boner and the rest of that nigger clan want to privatize social security! If that happens you can kiss your retiremant goodbye! SUCKERS!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
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Kissing retirment "goodbye" will happen regardless, as Social SEcurity will go bankrupt by 2020. It's unsustainable.
They want to cut taxes across the board. That helps small businsses as well as the top 1% wealthy. The trickle down economics worked just fine in the past when the Reagan administration brought about more prosperity and growth than did Bush or Obama.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 Paul Ryan is a nigger? Wait, what?
holt2k 1 year ago
@Vetwolf13 you have problems if you think social security = retirement, even if SSI survives it is still a kind of insurance program(one that i wouldnt buy into if i had choice) more than retirement and if you are planning on those insurance payments being your retirement... good luck. Beyond that it is essentially a giant ponzi scheme and was doomed to fail from the beginning P.S. You fail at understanding the topic and should avoid discussing it till you do
misdirectedanger 1 year ago
now what are you gonna do? the first benefits kicked in. gonna throw kids off health insurance. he is a dumb ass.
cjm608 1 year ago
@cjm608 He is similar to Bush. It is unethical to use force (gov or otherwise) to compel one person to pay for another person's medical bills. Period. We already have Socialized Medicine in the USA: Medicare, Medicaid, Presc. Drugs, tax subsidy for employer health benefits, and regulations deeming doctors and hospitals must help the "public".
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The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
unclelight 1 year ago
The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
unclelight 1 year ago
@unclelight How's the trickle up poverty working for you?
TheTrueConservative 1 year ago
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The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
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The very first thing Boner, Ryan and the rest of the right wing clan will do if they get the majority will be to CUT TAXES FOR THE WEALTHY! Just like Bush did. How's that trickle down economics working for you? Suckers!
Vetwolf13 1 year ago
A rising star in the republican Party
KAYLAMARIE1017 1 year ago 6
Someone should tell Boner, Ryan and the rest of that right wing clan that there's a middle class in this country and they need help! Maybe they could for one minute stop being yes men for the wealthy elite and give a damn about the rest of America!
TheKmbt 1 year ago
@indymadferit If it was a village in the land of utopia that all Democrats seem to think they can create through overwhelming govermental dicates, legislation, edicts, executive orders and regulation. You know history has shown how well tribalism, communism, facism and socialism works. End sarcasam.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
Paul Ryan says shame on the Democrats for cutting Medicare yet his so-called Roadmap for America would destroy Medicare as we know it. What a joke.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
@genYprogressive No it doesn't.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
@kennyjwi Turning Medicare into a voucher program for insurance companys DESTROYS Medicare.
genYprogressive 1 year ago
Ryan wants to take everything thd middle class has and give it to the wealthy elite! Nigger!
TheKmbt 1 year ago
@TheKmbt Wow, way to make an intelligent counterpoint to Ryans actual facts. You could really run for Democratic office!
kndrice 1 year ago
@TheKmbt LOL! A racist bigot. Yep a Democrat.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
Paul Ryan for President 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CoryEttinger 1 year ago 13
@CoryEttinger -- last year one man in America made $5 Billion Dollars & paid only 15% of income in tax, thinks to the Bush tax cuts for the super-rich.
This pisses me off as other middle-income Americans & I pay 30%+
And what will his tax rate be if Ryan gets his plan passed?
0% -- THAT'S RIGHT - 0% on FIVE BILLION DOLLARS!
And you want this guy for President?
DillonDee1 9 months ago
@CoryEttinger -- Why? He'd bankrupt the country!
The richest 400 Americans obtain almost all of their billions in income from Capital Gains & Dividends.
Bush lowered the tax rates on these to 15% -- meanwhile many in the middle-class pay 30-35%
Under Ryan's plan the tax rate on Cap Gains & Dividends would be reduced to ZERO
So you'd have the richest 400 Americans mostly paying 0 on billions of income
TOTALLY INSANE - AS THE MIDDLE INCOME FOLK PICK UP THE SLACK
DillonDee1 9 months ago
Ryan and the rest of the right wing are just tools for the wealthy elite! Everyone of these niggers voted against progressive health care or extending unemployment benefits . They exist for the sole purpose of enriching the wealthy elite at the expense of the middle class! What have they done for you lately?
TheKmbt 1 year ago
@TheKmbt keep pasting the samething on every video. Have an original idea and quit spewing the liberal talking points.
CoryEttinger 1 year ago
@CoryEttinger DemocRATS have no actual individual thoughts. It's groupthink GIVEN to them by the ruling elite. They say that they are for the poor, working, minorities, but rule against us every chance they get. What they do is tell those that are uneducated or self hating what they want to feel good, then do what they want as elitists. It's sad really how duped DemocRAT voters are.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
@TheKmbt More bigotted speech out of you huh? Nice slurs. I guess the weak of mind go there when there's no where else for them to go. Of course they're against progressive governmental health care, it's a failure everywhere it's instituted in the world. Wake up. Really what have the DemonRats done for you that they promised to do? Unemployment benefits are simply a saftey net, but with their policies they have made them welfare.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
I lost my health insurance as a result of this bill. Health insurance I have paid out of my own pocket and paid taxes on for 13 years now.
treasonrocks 1 year ago
I GIVE YOU ALL PROPS!! WE ARE STILL NEEDING TO WAKE UP!! YOU HAVE TO WATCH "ZIETGIEST" THE MOVIE.....ITS ALL THE CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM. BUSH WAS INVOLVED WITH 9/11 AND WITH THE BANKS THAT LOANED TO BOTH SIDES....LOOK ON GOOGLE FOR ZIETGIEST AND WATCH THE MOVIE!!! CHECK-MATE!!!!
WillB421 1 year ago
@WillB421 That movie has been so easily debunked it's pathetic that people still watch it. Good fiction though.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
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Ryan is a corporate nigger!
unclelight13 1 year ago
blah blah blah...does this idiot realize that the real founding fathers of this country were Native Americans? Those "founders" he is talking about staked claim to a country that was already inhabited.
powerbar00 1 year ago
@powerbar00 Oh my God not one of you guys... The founders of the United States of America, not the freaking founders of the Cherokee or whatever.
gravebaiting 1 year ago
@powerbar00 They never had a country. Just lived on the land. Sorry.
kennyjwi 1 year ago
The Republicans are the party of Logic just like Paul Ryan and Jason Chaffetz, the party of emotion is that of the liberals. There are acts in health care that force hospitals to cover patients no matter the circumstance, I.E Parkland Hospital in Dallas Texas. If you have a sore throat go to a free clinic in the are near you for help, it is that easy. You may wait a long time for treatment, but with this new bill you will wait even longer.
dmack360 1 year ago
Mr. Ryan, When will you run for President. 2012 would be great. Lets move the Socialist out of the White House and take our country back. We will stand through the tough times, but give us someone who is a honest, and will fix what is broken!
rosuabsc 1 year ago 4
Obama and "Progressive" Dems have put on the accelerator to financial doom. Obama promised he would do the opposite.
WhereDidItAllGo7 1 year ago
Where was Ryan for the past 8 years? GOP had 8 years and no healthcare. No energy bill. Just war and deregulation. i dont like dems but i wouldnt replace them with republicans. ill give these suits a couple more years after that they are my enemies.
Jononutoob 1 year ago
Thank God for this man!!! 2010 elections cannot happen fast enough as this crappy farce of a travesty bill loses more and more public support on a daily basis. It will NEVER save money? NOTHING the government controls ever works out - it only costs more and lines the pockets of the politicians.
wattzoo 1 year ago
Amen!
asands 1 year ago
This is why, I am going to flood his campaighn office with calls to run for President! (608) 754-8099
chino1922 1 year ago 4
Paul Ryan for President!!!!
Hogan10298 1 year ago 4
where has this man been hiding?
smmsmh 1 year ago
americanteabagger is right. Do what Jesus would do. If anybody gets cured of anything under this bill, it'll have to be a miracle!
richardc1976 1 year ago
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cmillholland, if you love Communism and Socialism so much then why don't you go and move to those kinds of countries? There are so many of them out there! Take your pick! and leave MY country alone!
nitagirl614 1 year ago
cmillholland, if you love Communism and Socialism so much then why don't you go and move to those kinds of countries? There are so many of them out there! Take your pick! and leave MY country alone!
nitagirl614 1 year ago
In other words profits of billion's of dollars are more important than some one recieving healthcare
One major question! where were your ideas when they were forming healthcare reform.
This has only been a problem for how many years? Effecting how many people for how long ? Answer this one question! If you can answer it better than my answer. ill vote against Obama
To fix health care. We need only to look at the bible. Do what jesus would do and DID.
americanteabagger 1 year ago
@americanteabagger , jesus never forced money away from anyone. he never set aside an additional billion dollars to hire 15,000 new internal revenue agents to police every person in america and put in jail anyone who didn't comply. it may surprise you but over 85% with health insurance are happy. others without insurance aren't turned away even for minor problems. in other words, we didn't have a health crisis. we need more efficiency, not a takeover that will ruin the best care in the world.
cmpm439 1 year ago 18
americanteabagger, jesus only asked for 10% no matter how much money someone made and no matter how little someone made. jesus expected all to contribute, all to work hard, to love their brother, not to envy, not to covet what others have.
cmpm439 1 year ago 6
@cmpm439 " covet what others have.!" Are you really refering to health insurance.
americanteabagger 1 year ago
@cmpm439 The best health care in the world? I hate to break it to you, but we're number 37! Also, if you're happy with the plan you can keep it. People are turned away for not having coverage or the insurance company not wanting to pay.
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans, we are 37th according to the WHO, which ranks according to ridiculous standards, especially whether a nation has universal health care no matter how decrepit that system may be. if you have doubts just consider that we rank with cuba which has very little medical equipment and a regular shortage of medicine to go along with decaying buildings left from a time when free people were not centrally controlled. our new law is meant to eventually funnel everyone into universal care.
cmpm439 1 year ago 2
@FURepublicans , also, people are not turned away from care. nobody dies in the street because they cannot get care. if they do die, it is because they don't seek care. also, polls show that an overwhelming majority of people with health insurance are happy with their care. medicare rejects twice as many claims as private insurers already. that number will only get worse as more people move onto government roles and there are less private insurers to continue subsidizing government patients.
cmpm439 1 year ago 2
@cmpm439 Nope. People do die regularly because they can't get care. I personally kinow someone who got turned away because they didn't have insurance. Not to mention, that lack of insurance is the number 1 cause of bankruptcy.
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans not every provider within a community must accept non insured patients but every community has providers who must treat uninsured patients. medical providers, required or not, will not turn away an emergency situation. far more common are cases where emergency rooms are filled with non emergency cases clogging the system. we need better efficiency for indigent care, not a complete takeover, which is coming soon. bankruptcy laws could be softened for medical cases.
cmpm439 1 year ago
@FURepublicans,my wife volunteers at a local community clinic that treated over 50,000 different people by way of 200,000 visits last year. patients paid according to ability. that is a much better model for indigence than the current model that will eventually dismantle the best health care ever known. more free stuff to more people is leading us down the path to bankruptcy and undermining the work ethic and dignity of free people. we can do better than the socialist model we are moving toward.
cmpm439 1 year ago
@cmpm439 The best health care ever known?? Is that why we're number 37 on the list?
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans , do you bother to read past responses to your comments? if you want a reasoned discussion you have to dig deeper and quit repeating. ranking health care is like ranking best places to live. a million dollar neighborhood overlooking the pacific where the sun shines 300 day, no crime and best schools might be ranked in the middle of the pack because the main ranking criteria is affordability. that is our situation. best health care ever, ranked lower based on cost and universality.
cmpm439 1 year ago
@cmpm439 Our health care is not the best! Lately we have been following the lead of India who did the first awake open heart surgery!
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans First off, this is the World Health Organization's ranking, second, anyone younger than 20 killed in the drug war is classified a "child", giving us one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world. We have the finest health care, we do not have the safest streets, but that's not a reflection on our hospitals, which are 2nd to none. Tell me which country has the highest influx of patients? - it sure as hell isn't Cuba.
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@FURepublicans Don't conflate your friend being turned away for no insurance with "people dying" - no one is dying for lack of treatment. This is a BS spurious argument made by people who don't understand how hospitals work. The same idiots who suddenly became climate experts are now medical experts. Give us numbers, numbnuts, facts. You've seen facts before, haven't you? They're in books. I've already read the Daily Kos talking points, tell me something new, you know, factual.
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@Torpedo8 It's fucking true jackass! If you cannot get treatment, what happens? YOU DIE! That is from a HArvard study hat thousands die yearly due to lack of insurance! Get off your FAUX noise talking points and learn what the hell is going on!
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans Once again, you're confusing treatment with insurance, they are not the SAME. You can't establish a logical argument if you can't get your terms straight. By law hospitals cannot turn away anyone in serious shape, they have to stabilize them 1st , then get them to the local indigent hospital. I don't watch TV, so can you change your mantra? It makes you sound dumber than a sack of hammers. And pray tell, what do you do for a living that makes you the expert on this? Curious.
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@Torpedo8 If you don't have insurance, you cannot get treated at the vast majority of places in America! Hospitals can't turn away critical patients but that line is blurred! Critical is life threatening! Someone's elbow may be dislocated, that's not life threatening if their vitals are in normal range. Get your head out of your ass!
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans You're making my point for me - the emergency room is for emergencies, but what do we see? A family of four arrives in an ambulance with sore throats, a stoved thumb, a splinter, a pregnancy test. Your 1st sentence is a complete lie, based on 31 years of experience. Perhaps if you were familiar with hospitals that would help? Hospitals CANNOT BY LAW turn away critical patients - they must be stabilized and then sent to the Co. hospital. Spout whatever - this is the TRUTH.
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@Torpedo8 They have to treat emergencies. However, is cancer an emergency? Only when they have trouble breathing, etc. They don't have to provide meds! When they do treat people, they shift the costs over! A 20 doallr sling costs 150! I think you need to use your internet service. Lack of health care is the number 1 cause of bankruptcies!
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans "...unlike the more widely quoted Warren study, which had to use a tenuous definition of causation to make its sensational claim that 50% of bankruptcies were due to a medical event--which turned into the even more sensational claim that 50% of bankruptcies were due to high medical bills in the hands of innumerate activists and journalists."
You mean THIS study?
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@Torpedo8 I'm talking about the study posted by the Health Affairs Journal and the study conducted by Harvard.
FURepublicans 1 year ago
@FURepublicans yes it is bad, but this healthcare bill is certainly not the answer. 6 years of taxes for 10 years of spending does not add up. The european social welfare state is not sustainable as seen right now. It only gets harder to sustain the larger the population thats covered.
ltkhokie1 1 year ago
@FURepublicans The No. 1 cause of bankruptcy is reckless spending, not a lack of insurance. Millions of Americans earn $50,000/yr and have no medical insurance, thousands of people making $75,000/yr have no medical insurance.
Torpedo8 1 year ago
@cmpm439 LMAO You're already paying for the "Emergency Room" plan in the form of higher costs and premiums where those who can't pay will continue to get free health care - all the while we keep paying for it.Why not allow people to get something fixed BEFORE it turns into an emergency?EVERY country that the US has fought (including Iraq and Afghanistan) have health care for everyone.Why should our heros have worse coverage when they ETS than those they fought?
IWLocal8 1 year ago
@IWLocal8 few have a problem helping those in need. the problem is an overreaching federal government taking over health care decisions for all. i vounteer in a local clinic with 5 outlets that treats 50,000 people through 200,000 visits per year, paying what they can to receive excellent treatment. that system would work well for those in need while others keep free market options they currently have. americans spoke again in missouri, 71% said no, arrogant blow hard pols continue to ignore us.
cmpm439 1 year ago
@cmpm439 45,000 people dying every year due to no health insurance kinda says that people DO have a problem helping those in need.Majority of bankruptcies are because of medical bills.
Fact is more people support health care reform than oppose it.What was rejected in Missouri was forcing people to have health care, NOT health care reform.Please let's not be misleading.
IWLocal8 1 year ago
@IWLocal8 you are the one being misleading. I support healthcare reform as does Paul Ryan. What we don't support is government takeover of health care by arrogant blow hard politicians who demonize the private sector and create a hostile business climate that is killing the job market. How does health care get better by going into a depression? We are creating a ruling class that will destroy health care for all but their friends, family and preferred lobbyists. Missouri gets it. Open your eyes.
cmpm439 1 year ago 3
@cmpm439 The reform Ryan supports is removing a program that works and privatizing it into one that won't.The ruling class that you're talking about includes the private insurance companies who try to turn down as many people as they can in the name of big profits.They spent millions a day lobbying.
IWLocal8 1 year ago
@IWLocal8 That's true that they are greedy bastards. But the only reason for that is because we have a corporate healthcare system, and not a free market system. Government tarriffs and laws requiring a business to provide health insurance restrict the available market, inducing people to accept what their employer gives them. This monopolizes our healthcare providers, along with tariffs that restrict interstate sales from healthcare companies.
ltkhokie1 1 year ago
@ltkhokie1 What's wrong with Single Payer? Your Free Market health care would still involve corprations.
Aren't we paying for the uninsured now with our "Emergency Room" plan? Isn't an infection cheaper to treat when it first arises compared to not having insurance and then NEEDING to get it taken care of after it spreads throughout the body?
IWLocal8 1 year ago
@cmpm439 I am an atheist, but even if you don't believe in god, Jesus was awesome. Who could say that he would FORCE people with threats to help one another? He never would. He lived the example of convincing people by appealing to their spirit. ...and I believe that is why the Big Gov people need to discredit religion and Christianity: because they teach proper ETHICS. They want gov to be god.
engine2truck6 1 year ago
@cmpm439 If you're going to make such outrageous claims you must provide evidence supporting them. It is simply not true that "15,000 new IRS agents are being hired to police everyone in America". It's a blatant lie. Where the hell do you come up with this information? Or are you just saying what Bachmann said? Think for yourself. Do your own research and find verifiable, credible evidence. Is that too hard for you? Get a grip on reality.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@cmpm439 Clearly you've never been someone with a pre-existing condition trying to get coverage.
MrMike3292 11 months ago
@MrMike3292 Apparantly you haven't read his healthcare ideas
nitagirl614 10 months ago
@americanteabagger, profits are what seeds research, what provides retirement earnings for pension funds, what provides seed money for new businesses and new jobs that provide security and dignity for free people to raise their families and build solid, caring communities. you have it upside down if you think that by running our economy through the washington sewer that there will be more money to go around. profits instead go to friends and family of politicians without competition.
cmpm439 1 year ago 29
@cmpm439 90% of all reserch is done through college. or teaching hospitals most of all this is funded by the US tax payers.
americanteabagger 1 year ago
@zzTheMuirzz Fine. But if fall ill, please do us the favor staying out of the emergency room. I'd rather not subsidize your poor decision-making.
cmillholland 1 year ago
@cmillholland
Majority rules but only when the president acts as a lobbyist with my tax dollars and buys votes for the bill. If it was a true Majority rules this wouldn't have passed b/c the majority of US Citizens do NOT support this bill.
laddershark 1 year ago
Apparently you haven't been paying attention. EVERY president has lobbied Congress for legislation. Its a job requirement. And we have a representative democracy, not a government where we poll on congressional bills. A *majority* of US citizens voted for the Lobbyist-in-Chief and put a majority of congresscritters in office to vote in Obamacare. That's how this works. Get over it. Support you claims. Just cuz you and the guys at Tea Bag Central don't like it doesn't make you a Majority.
cmillholland 1 year ago
@Gillz17 which individual freedoms have you lost lately? Just asking.
cmillholland 1 year ago
@Hellpig Please say off the Interstate Highways. And when you get you first SS check, mail it to me so you can disenfranchise yourself from Socialism.
cmillholland 1 year ago
Just a quick typo therea cillymillholland. but your right ! He does deserve to have it spelt right. just remember cillymill "a Smile can hide all the pain when your down and riding on a train thats taking you the wrong way". So Vote Conservative in November.
montgomeryps 1 year ago
I want to start a truth in history project and need help. I want to go out and pay everyday americans a 50.00 stipend to take a quick historical test to see what they know about progressivism and our founding fathers and then teach them the truth. It is amazing to me that kids now think the KKK was founded by republicans and it is was not
pandabead 1 year ago
He is a gifted speaker. He is correct America is an idea and a prohuman experiment that promotes human liberty.
pandabead 1 year ago
our debt is climbing so high we are going to have to refer it to scientific notation just to describe it.
pandabead 1 year ago
If "free" health care by the government makes societies healthier, then it should stand to reason that Medicaid people are more healthy and have lower obesity, lower smoking, lower diabetes, lower violence, lower hypertension and heart disease, cancer, higher longevity, etc. These are the things the govt claims will improve when people have access, yet I think those on Medicaid currently do not reflect that to be true.
tripletmomRN 1 year ago
The nazis and communists had 'free health care' too, of course it came with a price, but it was such a 'small price to pay' dont you agree my fellow comrade Amerikansky?
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
oystla: We use more health care because we start out less healthy. A persons overall health is impacted by 50% lifestyle and behavior, 20% genetics, 20% society and environment, 10% health care system. We have much higher obesity, teen pregnancy, drug/tobacco use, auto accident rates, rapes, gun violence, total crime rates. When these are high, health care spending is too. We don't ration through the government, they do which keeps their spending lower, they are NOT more efficient.
tripletmomRN 1 year ago
Yes, I should be held personally responsible for the recklessness of others who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Well said my fellow comrade Amerikansky, the nazis and communists are smiling up from hell at you.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
Please forgive me my fellow comrade Amerikansky, I meant to say that the Soviet Socialists Republic of America will be well suited for more social 'projects' in the pursuit of 'social justice'
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
LISTEN ALL!
What you have to ask yourself is: Why is US using 13% of it's GDP if private insurance is more efficient than healtcare covered by the government as in Europe.
All Europe governments are using less of it's GDP on healthcare, and this proves efficiency!
I'm living in Norway, with healthcare 100% covered by governement. I don't need to fight against insurance companies and are happy with that! And Norway use "Only" 9% of GDP on healthcare.
No systems are perfect of course..
oystla 1 year ago
No one fucking asked you euromongrel.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
Listen stupid euromongrel. You quote numbers that were fed to you by your marxist masters. Crawl back under the rock from whence you came and continue to live in the dark.
ThunderAppeal 1 year ago
Castro hailed Obamacare as a miracle and an important battle and a success of (Obamas) government. Castro stated Obamas health care is like the one enacted in Cuba a half century ago. Last year Castro said his countrys spending on health care was simply unsustainable.
dkkght46 1 year ago
God Bless Paul Ryan!
Thank you
AverageAmerican4Him 1 year ago 3
The amount of debt incured can only be viewed like this. $50 Trillion in principle debt obligation is 10X greater than all the stocks on the Canadian Exchange at face value. No one on Earth has that kind of cash. $200 Trillion principle debt is greater than all the stars in the milky way galaxy! You can charge $1 for every grain of sand on the beaches of the world and not total $200 Trillion. Sarbanes Oxley and GAAP acct required for Congress!
myHome109 1 year ago
1) Healthcare projection by GAO gov, CBO gov, OCC treas gov, all state Medicare, Medicaid, and SS will top $50 Trillion with + $2 Trillion in interest payment.
2) Government printing money or monitization of debt by selling 20-30 year and Fed buying 2--5 year debts to net 2% has created $200 Trillion in principle debt obligations tax payers owe, see occ treas gov. It's free money for Congress but it $200,000,000,000,000 principle debt for tax payers or + $4-$5 Trillion in yr int payment
myHome109 1 year ago
Rep. Ryan, where not talking about Burney Madoff $50 Billion, the reports all state $50 Trillion in healthcare principle debt 1000X bigger. The interest payment alone is greater than $2 Trillion per year. Where is the savings? It a big fat PONSI SCAM. When current outlays for interest is paid for by future borrowing against interest and taxes it's a PONSI SCAM there is no investment it's rolling debt scam, pyramid or PONSI Scam!
myHome109 1 year ago
Rep. Ryan, When are you going to require Cogress, House and Senate to follow Sarbanes Oxley and GAAP accounting procedures? Gao gov reporting USA refinancing $5 Trillion in short term interest payments. Ave Int 2.5% or $200 Trillion in real debt principle. Occ treas gov. Go to ssa gov and look at the Ponsi Scam of $2 Trillion in Social Security. Projection from GAO, CBO, Cato Inst, etc all reporting $50 Trillion principle debt Healthcare or $2 Trillion annual interest payments. Just Debt!
myHome109 1 year ago
Go Paul (Revere?) Ryan!
This is a bitter pill for us to take, but we must face it, if we want America to remain the home of the free. Let's be brave and worthy of what our founders left us.
cbaber1112 1 year ago
Mr Ryan has taxpayer subsidized health care. So, he has the very thing he detests.
Mr Ryan is a profession politicians. He has never been anything but a politician and working as a consultant to your rich parents company doesn't count.
elegantsolution 1 year ago
@elegantsolution LOL so what?
He has it because it's a term of his employment, if you want the same thing go into politics or join the Army.
Honestly, what you said is just about the most unobservant end of analytical critique that you can possibly give, just because one person has something because it's a benefit of their job does not mean that you have a right to it.
Are you really so simple that you can't understand or an employment benefit is as opposed to an entitlement benefit?
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
@bigboss686: This is the same guy who says Mark Neumann benefited from Socialism by starting a business during his subsidized summer vacations when he was a school teacher. This is sort of the stump end of the argument that all public servants are inherently bad and self-serving.
cmillholland 1 year ago
What are you smoking? The voting process is going to kick out these Democratic frauds come November. That is our voting process, the majority of American people oppose this travesty of a bill.
Apollo5600 1 year ago
@Apollo5600
No, they don't.
usatoday(dot)com/news/washington/2010-03-23-health-poll-favorable_N(dot)htm
11111110 1 year ago
@Apollo5600 Don't hold your breath. Most people are gonna be so sick of hearing about this or that government crap being shoved down their their throats and no birth certificate No-Obama crap that the Republican resurgence will be quite underwhelming.
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elegantsolution 1 year ago
@Natsopaan1
I was not speaking of flaws, but additional entitlement - Health Care and the expense to our government. American is already deep in debt and H/C is an added expense. The H/C Bill mess would could be relate as to a employer and employee.
Business owner says, I have a lot of bills right now could loose my business. Employee says, Can you give me a 25% raise?
Employer does not need added expense and employee may not have a job in 1 year.
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
paul ryne 2012 for president
montgomeryps 1 year ago 3
@montgomeryps
I agree. Paul Ryan is doing a good job!
Aprilmax010 1 year ago
@montgomeryps
too bad he doesn&#