THE CUTTING EDGE: the magic of movie editing (pt2)

[ucheucheuche]

All you need to do in editing is convince the audience the 1st time. :)

[ucheucheuche]

1:59 It's interesting how the Matrix example is spot-on yet looks off: An initial glance looks like the 2nd shot lags behind the 1st. Yet in the 1st shot, Morpheus is about to look towards the camera, and in the 2nd shot he is looking over-right of the camera. So, taking into account that these 2 shots are from different camera angles (with the 2nd shot taken at a more acute angle to the window than the 1st shot), Morpheus's turn is in fact cut very well.

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[ElTuco84]

02:14 Sally Menke R.I.P.

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[edpoe92]

im trying to figure out how they get the voice of someone talking and the camera is on them, then shot cuts to something else and its the same voice. is that just editing audio?

[TheFakeTruth1]

if you have a good editing software, like movie editors do, for example adobe premiere (what james cameron favors)

you have, and audio track, and a video track, they can be separated, so when you want the shot to change to another view, the audio track stays in tack and the video cuts, if its a convorsation, then they shoot the entire convo. about three times or more at diffrent angles, that help?

[calmguy1]

so you have to take a shot twice with same movement so you can cut the diferent angles together...

[blastedgoat]

i saw this on netflix, totally worth the $10 a month lol... editing is one of the funnest things for me because it can make or break a film!

[marensinc]

Thanks for the post!

[marensinc]

Wow. Thanks for the post. Great information and thoughts.

[Kinkoyaburi]

where's part 3?

[amethyst22]

continued-

Once you get comments back on your project and they say, "oh what a great story", not "what great editing and effects", you are on the right track... My instructor is promising a failing grade to anyone turning in (his words) "a video that looks like a child invaded a crayon box" and wants to teach us the art form of it as described above. This doc was the subject of a 3 hour class discussion. I keep watching it to help me w/ my work.

[misterhed]

How is seamless editing done? Do they have the actors do the same action twice with two camera angles? Or do they have the actors "freeze" while they change the camera position?

[amethyst22]

Its easier with multi-camera editing. I think the idea is to keep as much focus on the actors intentions as possible, so to remain as "invisible" as possible. Its too hard to explain without dragging you into class myself, and the instructor explaining (lol).

Its definately an under-rated art form when it is done correctly.

[misterhed]

I know it's easier with multi-camera, but I know there must be some method to cut with single camera.

[amethyst22]

I would have the actors do the scene four or five times and the actions should be the same if they know their blocking so that the continuity is not thrown off.

Then load the clips into the viewer, make a lot of notes and then try many different cuts until your eye only registers the story, not the edit work. I'm on my fourth time editing my class project and so its proving to be hard.

[kamonutube]

hi, seamless editing is also known as "action matching" or "overlapping action". What the director does is tell the the actor to repeat action, because we either decide to take take the shot from a different angle or get closer to the actor. Action matching has to be re-acted out, pausing the acted only creates problems when it comes to the editing, so we usually, even for walks, we tell the actor to give us some 'lead in time', or 'lead in steps' etc. The editor then has 'handles' to work with

[kamonutube]

oh, that reply was for misterhed's question

[kamonutube]

... and it is not always 'action matching' or 'overlapping action' that creates a smooth cut. It is also point of attention on screen. If the point of attention on two cuts are framed in the same area, that equals a smooth cut. if not, it can be jarring.some movies go for that jarring effect to create a feeling of disorientation for example, like in action scenes and things... just as long as the characters in fight scenes remain on their side of the screen you can usually get away with jarring

[infamous495]

i like how the matrix example is actually messed up. His right shoulder in the first shot already passes the middle of the window and than in the next shot the right shoulder is lagging behind a few frames. 1:59

[ituber09]

@infamous495 actually that i guess was intentional. it creates a certain lag and a certain amount of repitition which creates an effect in those shots. it makes us give more importance to the morpheus character by telling us to sort of "look again" and also by lengthening the action. just my inference. even though there are a lot of mistakes in the matrix films, i dont think that would count.

[infamous495]

@ituber09 i agree, i'm just saying that its funny how the example of seamless editing isn't seamless. Nothing wrong with hows its cut, i just think its not the best example for matching action :P

[oribali1]

@infamous495 This is because it's more like an actual turn around.. See freddiew's video! (beach justice editing ,or sg like this...)

[DidjitalVibrations]

@infamous495 Actually, it isn´t wrong. If you make the cut in the exact place, it wound´t work as well as it is in the example. You should try it. But in editing it´s how it works: sometime you have to make a short flashback to make a smooth move. You should read "Praxis of cinema" by Noel Burch. He explains it much better than I.

[nights312312]

@infamous495 no, its not messed up. this is how its done, if the second shot lags a little bit it gives more weight to the shot. the continuity problem is not a problem. many filmmaker uses this trick for all sort of stuff...

[xps423]

nice film, thanx for uploading. Can you please upload the rest of the film?

[acekingie]

I'm looking at getting into editing. Anyone care to check my videos and see if I have any talent?

[SirVegas247]

Fantastic film. I am a film maker and have just finished editing my film. It was a long and very difficult process, but I enjoyed every minute of it. A good film that portrays the world of film editing very well.

[leecu58]

thanks for posting

[newaccountforfilms]

Please find/post more of this. I enjoy enjoyed watching it at college

[russ3001]

the special edition of "bullitt" (steve mcqueen)

has got this documentary on the special features, any editor needs to see it!

[ccruxx]

Great, thx for the info! :)

[guerradag]

part 3 ???

[peacehammer]

I liked it! Don't know why this posters are being so tough. It's not like there's a lot of pieces on film editing. Great job. Where can I get the whole thing?

[OelkerStudios]

MORE!!!!

[raelcohen]

hey where is part 3?

[pyrogamer]

Meh, I don't get what's so awesome about this.

Just a decent (at best) TV spot on editing. Hardly anything to get excited about.

[OelkerStudios]

you just aren't much of a movie person, that's all

[veronicaownsyou]

This film described so many aspects of editing in a short amount of time and also captured the passion of the whole editing process. I'd like to see you do something this "decent".

[briedude]

Great stuff!! But, hmmm...four minutes of Griffith (and an editing discussion at that), and just a passing reference to Intolerence?? I swoon.

[jamesHotmovies]

Matched action is lazy.

Orson Welles uses it only once in Citizen Kane. To make it interesting he cut from a reflection of the action to the actual action.

I tend to think of Eisenstein as more influential than Griffith as well.

[fatesofgreedom]

This is awesome.