@DearyLeary It's important because as industry dies it takes with it a man's ability to earn and support himself. There is a direct correlation between the fall of industry and the rise of the irretrievably broken world that the rest of the series depicts. Even the younger union guys end up dealing. It's the only way to make money. If the industry was still strong and people had work, there wouldn't be a rest of the series. There would still be drugs but it wouldn't be the only real alternative.
I wouldn't call this the most important scene but it's definitely a good one. I have a lot of respect for Frank Sabotka because his business was his main priority. All he wanted was to create jobs and get the ports back the way they used to be.
Sobotka was probably the most admirable character on the show. If the greeks hadn't of given him the axe he most certainly would've died from a burst artery.
We still make shit in this country, only we make it with machines because it is incredibly inefficient to pay humans to do menial jobs and still pay them a living wage. We could still make awesome shit here if we were willing to make $5 a day and live in dorms like they do in China. If you'd rather pay $2,500 instead of $500 for an iPad, then you can like this video, otherwise STFU. BTW I am completely pro-union, just not in industries that no longer make sense in this country.
@AndrewD923 This is the thing, it's an incredibly sensitive subject. The problem wasn't that these industries were shut down, the problem is the government and corporations alike didn't do enough to channel the flood of labour that would be left over into new areas were they would be useful. They were allowed to just sit in these areas, scraping by until you have the situation that many modern countries have today.
The problam is actually that these Industries were partially shut down, why do you think Unemployment in Manufacturing is at roughly the same level it was at during the Great Depression? It goes back to ''Ronnie the Union-Buster Reagan'' and his Financialization of the Economy.. were it not for that swapping of the functioning of the Economy from Production to complicated Financial transactions, Production may very well have stayed up and the Jobs that are in Taiwan might've stayed.
@AndrewD923 I believe his point wasn't about wether humans or machines make products, it was about the fact that people used to work together to achieve mutually beneficial goals, instead of just finding ways to redistribute wealth.
@AndrewD923 your sort of missing the point of these scenes. the fact is the manufacturing jobs are gone and nothing comparable has replaced them. the number of jobs has not increased regardless of the industry. especially union jobs. The service industry is a joke beven though you cant outsource mall jobs. Chinese goods are cheap because the state subsidizes jobs to keep the prices low to sell the most and keep as many people working for just enough scraps not to revolt.
Doesn't have to be one or the other. You can think that using machines makes sense and is more efficient, and also think that there's a valid point being made in this scene.
@AndrewD923 What we need is an international labor movement to counter the power of corporate globalization. If workers of each country are forced to compete with each other over who will accept the worst, lowest, most inhuman set of circumstances in order to make a living, we're all frakked. We guarantee the ever-increasing concentration of wealth and power into ever-fewer hands while the rest of us get ever-less.
Now more than ever, workers of all countries must unite.
@dwc1964 You really don't want all workers to unite unless you are writing from a very poor country. If you take the world average mean not median income per person you would be at somewhere around $5,000 American dollars per 2003 numbers. Having everyone make the same amount of money would be sad because we would have no extra cash to buy things like iphones or computers. Although I love equality, and it pains me to see poor people. Others have to have less for me to have more. :.(..
@jafatemail - If it were the case that, if workers in other countries were treated like human beings, our toys would cost more, then I'm fine with that. I don't think it's the case. I think instead what would happen is, the bosses would make less obscene profits. Or better still, we could get rid of the bosses entirely. We don't need 'em, they just get in the way.
@AndrewD923 I make barely more than minimum wage per year and I would GLADLY pay more for food, electronics, whatever, if I knew that that guaranteed less suffering on the other end of the economy. I don't want to be an evil bastard. I mean, I am one. But I don't want to be. I don't have a lot of money and it's hard to save any money, but I don't want to help cause millions of people to get screwed over, though I do.
In a way you are right. But what you are forgetting is that half the reason that shit is so much cheaper to make in China is that the Chinese government bans Unions and uses lethal force to stop its workers from standing up for themselves. So all the companies that set up in China are taking advantage of the violation of Chinese folk's human rights in order to make a profit.
And this in a "Communist" country! Karl Marx is spinning in his grave.
@ghosttown999 - I absolutely -hated- Marx - until I started reading him. When I did, it threw me for a loop how anyone could interpret, say, Civil War In France, and come up with ... what they came up with. Workers' democracy or gtfo.
Oh yeah, everyone else is to blame for the union problems, not involvement with organized crime and political corruption. Excellent portrayal of the mentality of union bosses.
@SOLOcan Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think the writers' wanted us to empathize with him, but he's the exact reason that industry and the unions have fallen to the level they have. Involvement with organized crime and crooked politicians.
People with the "union buster" tag are just people who made a point of prosecuting corrupt unions.
@Coleburg This was delt pretty explicitly in the series, Franks connections with organized crime was what destroyed all the effort he made into expanding the port, the destruction of his union and family and ultimately what cost him his life.
The writers realised there's just not one reason for the death of the working class. They even take the time to demonstrate how new technology is one of the causes even though its kinda out of the way.
@Coleburg A lot of the union busting politicians do just want to see more workplace power given to management over the workers, although there are those who do tackle the corrupt. Spot on about the writers.
@studzCFC I'd hardly call those ACLU lawyers and white-collar union bosses as the workers and they run the unions. And force people to support whatever politician they can buy. You can't bust up a union without reason. It's hard enough when you do have evidence of corruption.
To all you guys saying "At first I didn't like Season 2. But now it's my fav." Is that because it didn't focus entirely on project wanksters? Or because how much it actually relates to your country's financial and economical plight, nowdays? You know, the fact that it's fucked and you're fucked so to speak. All courtesy of your former favorite Texan bugger-boy and the current 'Undercover Brotha' in the ShiteHouse? I'm not trying to piss anybody off, just want to know.
@ViceCityVacation 3's my favorite season, fuck 2. 2's good, but I like the project and police side of the show. I can see/hear enough about our country's financial and economic plight on any comment section on the internet. I wanna see some grimey hood shit that I can't relate to,, I want to be entertained.
Actually, it's the same actor playing the same character. One of the main themes in season two was the loss of American industry and jobs. Hence by season five he's homeless.
LOL Damn! he said " I got a wife and three sisters and they all got daughters!" Damn... nuff said right there to show respect for women. do get more girlier than that. LOL
The other night after work, I looked at my wife and said, "Frank Sobotka says I need a beer and shot." I poured me a shot of whiskey and grabed a beer and sat back down. She looked at me like WTF r u talking about?
the wire is about baltimore and bout america. if you don't like season two, which is nearly a perfect dramatic achievement, you're missing the entire fucking point.
Great scene, but I dunno about The Wire's most important. Heck, even if we're just focusing on the docks storyline, there's "We used to make things. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."
anybody here thinks this is eeriely similar to what's going on in new jersey and wisconsin with the unions and all? when chris christie wins the 2016 election....
"We used to make shit in this country....build shit...now we just put our hand in the next guys pocket".......................<< one of the wire's greatest quotes, can be attributed to so many sectors in so many countries.
I think another thing season 2 shows which is REALLY important, is that the drug SELLERS, no matter how high up they get (like avon or prop joe) are still expendable and die every day, whereas the SUPPLIERS, aka the "Greeks," NEVER get caught and are either paid up with, or work for, the CIA/FBI. There's plenty of evidence that federal authorities even protect "their" dealers/launderers from local enforcement. Clay Davis comments on this in the show.
The second season was my least favorite BUT is the most important season. Aftermath of Avon getting locked up, showcases East Baltimore (police and streets), shows a dying working class and death of the American industrial economy, shows the suppliers of herion and damn near everything illegal that enters Baltimore (human trafficking, nuclear material) that are too smart and connected to be caught by local police (The Greek).Most important, season two shows crime is not just black thing, balance
Season 2 improves tremendously on a repeat viewing. The first time around, the shift to the docks was just too jarring for me. But on second viewing it gives you get a feel for how law and crime aren't fighting each other so much as fighting everyone else.
Totally agree I found the series a bit diverting the first time around but you realise how it fits into the big picture the second time around. Chris Bauer is amazing.
@whoostino I got that from the whole show...the law versus crime aspect you mention. It's pretty damned obvious if you have ever worked in law enforcement or black-market distribution. I've had friends who just skipped the dock segments in season 2 and the print scenes in season five, which is utterly disappointing. The show MUST be taken holistically, because the holistic approach to the narrative is the strongest aspect of the show. Likely the aspect that made it the best show ever.
Sobotka's a fucking firestorm throughout the season, one of the best characters in the whole damn series, left The Bunk speechless! Stop comparing seasons; try instead understand what they want to enlighten us of. This is the best tv show in the world.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And still one of my favorite quotes came from this season i think, "We used to build shit." Ain't that the fucking truth. We need more jobs for these guys not less.
sad thing is they were still cheating the system and losing crates.
I'm very very pro union though. I still didn't find season 2 nearly as compelling as the other season as i can more relate to the stories about drugs in neighborhoods, police misconduct, bad schools and a political system that seeks to fix none of it. Much more then this story at least. That being said i can appreciate it a ton more now that i've watch season 2 many times looking for the meaningful narrative.
The most important scene is in Season 2, maybe the whole series, is this one: "We used to make shit in this country... build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."
Chris Bauer is the only actor (besides James Gandolfini) that I can picture playing the role of Tony Soprano. He doesn't have the Italian heritage, but he has everything else. He's tough, agressive, and corrupt, but still sympathetic, compassionate and very likable. Gandolfini set the bar very high for that kind of acting, but this guy is closer then anyone else I can think of.
@weeleon81 Not random at all. The Wire was/is about the big picture and if you think the working guy isn't part of that then why would school kids be. Cops and Robbers and those in the middle and the newspaper trying to inform/entertain. Not "random" at all.
Why is this the most important scene? If I had to choose a 'most important' scene from Season 2 it'd have been the 'we used to make shit in this country' scene.
@iscottm The uploader likely assumed that the detectives in this scene was an allegory for the death of American labor unionization and the rise of foreign-controlled corporations that were once domestic. However, many unions tend to be plagued with corruption and the 'death' of American unions are usually caused by this. Also, once foreign shareholders institute a corporate takeover via majority controlled shares (holding company), unions "tend" to disband and/or the workforce replaced.
@PharodWormhair All those words and you still got it wrong. "many", "tend", "usually", as Bubbles would say "No offense, son, but that's some weak-ass thinking. You equivocating like a motherfucker."
@scooterboi17 Weak-ass thinking? I actually work as a operational consultant. What do you know about unionization, you arm-chair economist? Your resume:
@PharodWormhair You just showed your hand. It's a rocking chair sorry. You should try google, oh you have maybe community college. What do I know about unionization well being from Detroit... never mind, you already know all about me. Google Ninja, that's clever but somehow I don't think you made that up-props if you did but I don't think so. You should save your digs,burns,gotchas, et al for some other know nothing just like me. Wait... I think I hear my dead mom calling. What a meanie!
@PharodWormhair You "Work" as an "operational consultant"? Don't you mean 'make money at'? "you arm-chair economist?" Did you skip english class while working on your economics degree? Don't be evil! or in your case don't be an asshole!
if people dont like profinity and a boring storyline than why watch the sopranos?... im sure this being a series toward black people.. had something to do with it going unwatched and low ratings :/ sadly
How sad... the second series had the most impact for me. I saw a similar such sadness in the decline and degradation of my homelands at the merciless death of industry. I hail from the coal mining South Yorkshire and proud. The bitter slaughter of the heart of countless communities is still felt today. Shit... see what money does to us all? That is the totality of our lives on this planet. Money.
Likewise in West Central Scotland, where we used to have the coal mine, shipbuilding, and steelwork industries. Now all we have are empty schemes full of junkies, deprivation, and two or three generations of people living off the dole because there isn't anything else. God I love the conservative party...
@LeBronForTheWin Season 4! The kids really raise the emotional stakes, Prez is great and I think almost no McNulty was a good thing for the show. Better without a sentral character at that point.
@mroscoe season 2 was incredible! the institutions involved were at its most corrupt in that all the high level players pitted against each other with consequences thrown to the little man.
@OcelotDAD Agree... What really amazes me though is that Sobotka somehow connects ancient Greek Tragedy with modern Greek man.
Actually Frank Sobotka is the REAL Greek of the series... although he is supposed to be Polish.... his code, his flaws, his charisma, his conservative way of thinking, his pride, his prejudices, his morality...
A modern Greek watching Frank Sobotka is like watching... family.
@mroscoe I hated the second season the first time I watched it. I watched it again and had a totally different appreciation for the dialogue. They need to give the Bunk and Omar their own series. Not sure why they killed Omar, he didn't die in real life. Neither did Snoop.
@mroscoe I agree a hundred percent first time I watched season two I was kinda like "eh-whatever lets see the bangers" but after watching it again I realized how well developed and how truly important the guys at the docks were
hayesism, he talks about how the union survived dismantling by various government organizations. documentaries like the corporation and the warning detail how the government played a pivotal role in dismantling american industry, including clinton, the labor sympathizing BS of the democrats and NAFTA. the journalist chris hedges has written extensively on this subject.
The description should have said "Frank Sabotka and the end of AN American industry." Industries only end to make room for more productive ones (except in the case of governments deliberately dismantling them). My heart goes out to him and his ignorance, but Sabotka just demonstrates the failure of unions to recognise basic Ricardian economics.
Hey, isn't that the pedophile from 8mm?
FUCKxUxNxURxMOTHERx2 6 days ago
@FUCKxUxNxURxMOTHERx2 yup thats machine lol
pillmatik 3 days ago
Love The Bunk.
gohaninengland 1 week ago
Sheriff Andy Bellfleur you watch your tone!!
cche16 1 week ago
Great scene, but the most important? A character confined to one season? Come on.
DearyLeary 1 week ago
@DearyLeary It's important because as industry dies it takes with it a man's ability to earn and support himself. There is a direct correlation between the fall of industry and the rise of the irretrievably broken world that the rest of the series depicts. Even the younger union guys end up dealing. It's the only way to make money. If the industry was still strong and people had work, there wouldn't be a rest of the series. There would still be drugs but it wouldn't be the only real alternative.
occams99 1 week ago 2
I wouldn't call this the most important scene but it's definitely a good one. I have a lot of respect for Frank Sabotka because his business was his main priority. All he wanted was to create jobs and get the ports back the way they used to be.
DirtySanchez90 2 weeks ago
I was happy to see this part of the show go.
ProducerMikeFaber 2 weeks ago
Sobotka was probably the most admirable character on the show. If the greeks hadn't of given him the axe he most certainly would've died from a burst artery.
FUCKxUxNxURxMOTHERx2 3 weeks ago
We still make shit in this country, only we make it with machines because it is incredibly inefficient to pay humans to do menial jobs and still pay them a living wage. We could still make awesome shit here if we were willing to make $5 a day and live in dorms like they do in China. If you'd rather pay $2,500 instead of $500 for an iPad, then you can like this video, otherwise STFU. BTW I am completely pro-union, just not in industries that no longer make sense in this country.
AndrewD923 1 month ago 3
@AndrewD923 your absolutely right
Arimurad 1 month ago
@AndrewD923 This is the thing, it's an incredibly sensitive subject. The problem wasn't that these industries were shut down, the problem is the government and corporations alike didn't do enough to channel the flood of labour that would be left over into new areas were they would be useful. They were allowed to just sit in these areas, scraping by until you have the situation that many modern countries have today.
WolfAssad 3 weeks ago
@WolfAssad
The problam is actually that these Industries were partially shut down, why do you think Unemployment in Manufacturing is at roughly the same level it was at during the Great Depression? It goes back to ''Ronnie the Union-Buster Reagan'' and his Financialization of the Economy.. were it not for that swapping of the functioning of the Economy from Production to complicated Financial transactions, Production may very well have stayed up and the Jobs that are in Taiwan might've stayed.
BelfastAtheist 3 weeks ago
@AndrewD923 I believe his point wasn't about wether humans or machines make products, it was about the fact that people used to work together to achieve mutually beneficial goals, instead of just finding ways to redistribute wealth.
Paralyt1c 3 weeks ago
@AndrewD923 your sort of missing the point of these scenes. the fact is the manufacturing jobs are gone and nothing comparable has replaced them. the number of jobs has not increased regardless of the industry. especially union jobs. The service industry is a joke beven though you cant outsource mall jobs. Chinese goods are cheap because the state subsidizes jobs to keep the prices low to sell the most and keep as many people working for just enough scraps not to revolt.
sweetness111983 2 weeks ago
@AndrewD923
Doesn't have to be one or the other. You can think that using machines makes sense and is more efficient, and also think that there's a valid point being made in this scene.
CaIIOfTheWild 2 weeks ago 2
@AndrewD923 What we need is an international labor movement to counter the power of corporate globalization. If workers of each country are forced to compete with each other over who will accept the worst, lowest, most inhuman set of circumstances in order to make a living, we're all frakked. We guarantee the ever-increasing concentration of wealth and power into ever-fewer hands while the rest of us get ever-less.
Now more than ever, workers of all countries must unite.
dwc1964 2 weeks ago 3
@dwc1964 You really don't want all workers to unite unless you are writing from a very poor country. If you take the world average mean not median income per person you would be at somewhere around $5,000 American dollars per 2003 numbers. Having everyone make the same amount of money would be sad because we would have no extra cash to buy things like iphones or computers. Although I love equality, and it pains me to see poor people. Others have to have less for me to have more. :.(..
jafatemail 2 days ago
@jafatemail - If it were the case that, if workers in other countries were treated like human beings, our toys would cost more, then I'm fine with that. I don't think it's the case. I think instead what would happen is, the bosses would make less obscene profits. Or better still, we could get rid of the bosses entirely. We don't need 'em, they just get in the way.
dwc1964 1 day ago
@AndrewD923 I make barely more than minimum wage per year and I would GLADLY pay more for food, electronics, whatever, if I knew that that guaranteed less suffering on the other end of the economy. I don't want to be an evil bastard. I mean, I am one. But I don't want to be. I don't have a lot of money and it's hard to save any money, but I don't want to help cause millions of people to get screwed over, though I do.
ravenouscolonelhart 6 days ago 2
@AndrewD923
In a way you are right. But what you are forgetting is that half the reason that shit is so much cheaper to make in China is that the Chinese government bans Unions and uses lethal force to stop its workers from standing up for themselves. So all the companies that set up in China are taking advantage of the violation of Chinese folk's human rights in order to make a profit.
And this in a "Communist" country! Karl Marx is spinning in his grave.
ghosttown999 3 days ago 2
@ghosttown999 - I absolutely -hated- Marx - until I started reading him. When I did, it threw me for a loop how anyone could interpret, say, Civil War In France, and come up with ... what they came up with. Workers' democracy or gtfo.
dwc1964 1 day ago
Most important scene in The Wire...that's like picking children.
thehomerpimpson 1 month ago
@thehomerpimpson All the pieces matter, or so I hear.
thewotsit 3 weeks ago
First time I watched season two I remember Sebotka was the one character who deserved to come out fine.
ninjaking333 1 month ago 2
@ninjaking333 completely agree...the guy only did bad things to help out his people and even died trying to protect his family
xixcanezxix 1 month ago
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jgrew030 1 month ago
Oh yeah, everyone else is to blame for the union problems, not involvement with organized crime and political corruption. Excellent portrayal of the mentality of union bosses.
Coleburg 1 month ago
@Coleburg Did you watch the rest of the season?
SOLOcan 1 month ago
@SOLOcan Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think the writers' wanted us to empathize with him, but he's the exact reason that industry and the unions have fallen to the level they have. Involvement with organized crime and crooked politicians.
People with the "union buster" tag are just people who made a point of prosecuting corrupt unions.
Coleburg 1 month ago
@Coleburg This was delt pretty explicitly in the series, Franks connections with organized crime was what destroyed all the effort he made into expanding the port, the destruction of his union and family and ultimately what cost him his life.
The writers realised there's just not one reason for the death of the working class. They even take the time to demonstrate how new technology is one of the causes even though its kinda out of the way.
SOLOcan 1 month ago
@Coleburg A lot of the union busting politicians do just want to see more workplace power given to management over the workers, although there are those who do tackle the corrupt. Spot on about the writers.
studzCFC 1 month ago
@studzCFC I'd hardly call those ACLU lawyers and white-collar union bosses as the workers and they run the unions. And force people to support whatever politician they can buy. You can't bust up a union without reason. It's hard enough when you do have evidence of corruption.
Coleburg 1 month ago
I don't see how this is the most important scene of the series, but a great scene nonetheless. Great acting and rant.
Tigerlily21 1 month ago
To all you guys saying "At first I didn't like Season 2. But now it's my fav." Is that because it didn't focus entirely on project wanksters? Or because how much it actually relates to your country's financial and economical plight, nowdays? You know, the fact that it's fucked and you're fucked so to speak. All courtesy of your former favorite Texan bugger-boy and the current 'Undercover Brotha' in the ShiteHouse? I'm not trying to piss anybody off, just want to know.
ViceCityVacation 1 month ago
@ViceCityVacation 3's my favorite season, fuck 2. 2's good, but I like the project and police side of the show. I can see/hear enough about our country's financial and economic plight on any comment section on the internet. I wanna see some grimey hood shit that I can't relate to,, I want to be entertained.
thehiphopdepot 1 month ago
RE-elect Frank Sobatka for Secretary-Treasurer of IBS Local 1514 and IBS district council!
Sarc37 1 month ago 3
Organized Crime + Laziness + Protecting unskilled workers that constrict growth in this country = Unions.
jason92482 1 month ago
i take the 5th commandment
saddypaddy9 1 month ago 10
no-one else notice the "I take the fifth COMMANDMENT"? instead of fifth amendment.
Also, I don't know if they were re-using actors or if this was important. But that beardy guy is a homeless dude in the News Paper season.
ElChristo 1 month ago
Actually, it's the same actor playing the same character. One of the main themes in season two was the loss of American industry and jobs. Hence by season five he's homeless.
denmar7482 1 month ago
@ElChristo The writers actually didn't double-cast him. It was the same character.
CuriousWhale 1 month ago
you probably uploaded the wrong scene.
copymycat 2 months ago
LOL Damn! he said " I got a wife and three sisters and they all got daughters!" Damn... nuff said right there to show respect for women. do get more girlier than that. LOL
TahRahJoh 2 months ago
lol, am i the only one getting a green screen :D
getitben 2 months ago 3
lol most important? you're fucken retarded
YEMK 2 months ago
Bauer is such great actor.
CuriousWhale 2 months ago
@bighairyballcases lol your name rocks!!!!! Lmao!!
MrTrill1970 2 months ago
The other night after work, I looked at my wife and said, "Frank Sobotka says I need a beer and shot." I poured me a shot of whiskey and grabed a beer and sat back down. She looked at me like WTF r u talking about?
bighairyballcases 2 months ago
Season Two is the best season of The Wire. Frank Sobotka is brilliant.
Snapdog22 2 months ago
didnt that bearded guy flash somewhere in the fifth season as one of the homeless guys?
MrSatan646 2 months ago
@MrSatan646 Yes that's him
Ace00Frehley 2 months ago
My screen is green. Is that the same for everyone else?
encomiastic 2 months ago 8
Great scene but NOT the most important..
dmeskouris 2 months ago
and for the dumbass who said fuck unions.unions are what allows us to get paid.you must be a scab.
otcice2011 2 months ago
if you dont appreciate season two you probably dont have a job. al lopez
otcice2011 2 months ago
the wire is about baltimore and bout america. if you don't like season two, which is nearly a perfect dramatic achievement, you're missing the entire fucking point.
ttenneBsemaJ 2 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This season sucked, should have focused on Avon in prison storylines and Omar.
Fuck Unions
Thescreensaverr 2 months ago
Great scene, but I dunno about The Wire's most important. Heck, even if we're just focusing on the docks storyline, there's "We used to make things. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."
BlackMoonLilith 2 months ago
anybody here thinks this is eeriely similar to what's going on in new jersey and wisconsin with the unions and all? when chris christie wins the 2016 election....
poppajah 2 months ago
Is this just green fuzz to anyone else?
MrWarrenLO 2 months ago
most important scene if your a lefty douchebag maybe who watches the wire to "get in touch with the working classes" and such
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 months ago
@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz boooooo
ndschroede23 2 months ago
Now I see why he donned the leather mask and became "machine".
Rangelife1980 2 months ago
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Rangelife1980 2 months ago
lol i like how johnny called it the fifth commandment
MNico1992 3 months ago
the wire has a lot of important scenes, hard to imagine this being the most important...
brez002 3 months ago
"We used to make shit in this country....build shit...now we just put our hand in the next guys pocket".......................<< one of the wire's greatest quotes, can be attributed to so many sectors in so many countries.
Seamooo7 3 months ago 41
the wire best think on tv ever
season 1 awesome the hat trick with bubs is the bomb
Mikegbpf 3 months ago
@whoostino interesting thought. season 2 was always ranked 4th for me, ahead of season 5 obv
PTCTally 3 months ago
that is far from the most important scene in the wire. there are too many great scenes from that show to single this one out.
dewfish 3 months ago
I think another thing season 2 shows which is REALLY important, is that the drug SELLERS, no matter how high up they get (like avon or prop joe) are still expendable and die every day, whereas the SUPPLIERS, aka the "Greeks," NEVER get caught and are either paid up with, or work for, the CIA/FBI. There's plenty of evidence that federal authorities even protect "their" dealers/launderers from local enforcement. Clay Davis comments on this in the show.
ravenouscolonelhart 3 months ago
The second season was my least favorite BUT is the most important season. Aftermath of Avon getting locked up, showcases East Baltimore (police and streets), shows a dying working class and death of the American industrial economy, shows the suppliers of herion and damn near everything illegal that enters Baltimore (human trafficking, nuclear material) that are too smart and connected to be caught by local police (The Greek).Most important, season two shows crime is not just black thing, balance
lsimmons24 3 months ago
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jekk23 3 months ago
Season 2 improves tremendously on a repeat viewing. The first time around, the shift to the docks was just too jarring for me. But on second viewing it gives you get a feel for how law and crime aren't fighting each other so much as fighting everyone else.
whoostino 3 months ago 67
@whoostino
Totally agree I found the series a bit diverting the first time around but you realise how it fits into the big picture the second time around. Chris Bauer is amazing.
youngian 3 months ago
@whoostino
So true, I thought it was slow but then I watched it over again.
Brilliant
Reqrezentin 2 months ago
@whoostino Agreed. At first I wasn't a fan of the 2nd Season. Years later, it's my favorite one.
dakritic 2 months ago
@whoostino First time round I HATED the 2nd series, now it's probably my favourite.
hesketh7085 2 months ago
@whoostino I got that from the whole show...the law versus crime aspect you mention. It's pretty damned obvious if you have ever worked in law enforcement or black-market distribution. I've had friends who just skipped the dock segments in season 2 and the print scenes in season five, which is utterly disappointing. The show MUST be taken holistically, because the holistic approach to the narrative is the strongest aspect of the show. Likely the aspect that made it the best show ever.
Numonkei 2 months ago
Sobotka's a fucking firestorm throughout the season, one of the best characters in the whole damn series, left The Bunk speechless! Stop comparing seasons; try instead understand what they want to enlighten us of. This is the best tv show in the world.
Revan2021 3 months ago
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5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
the fifth commandment johnny fifty ;)
woodwyrm 3 months ago
that was fuckin gangsta
"We'll be here through your weak bullshit, no problem!"
1L4MK 3 months ago
Makes me laugh, all the ignorant people who have watched The Wire, and yet fail to recognise the importance of Season 2
Pish1989 3 months ago
this isn't he right video clip matching the title and description
gauchebag 3 months ago
we used to make things in this country...build shit
gauchebag 3 months ago
@gauchebag Amazing monologue.
ratm002 3 months ago
Actually the 2nd season was at best the 3rd or 4th best.
TheBurf1 3 months ago
@TheBurf1
try best or second best
gauchebag 3 months ago
@gauchebag
You're right. it wasn't the 3rd or 4th best. It was the worst season. BOOOOOORING!
TheBurf1 3 months ago
Andy Belfleur's let himself go!
Exeunt26 3 months ago
Nothing in season two was important. It was just a breather between season 1 and 3.
scarrmd 3 months ago
@scarrmd you can go back to CSI now.
scooterboi17 3 months ago
@blakmagik4 Yup, that's the scene I would've gone with. Love this one too.
TheShelf 3 months ago
Johnny takes the Fifth "Commandment."
So,even in the midst of this heart wrenchingly complex scene, The Wire treats us to a sample of our limitations
FanChicago 3 months ago 2
Season 2 was my favorite because of Frank Sobotka!!! Powerful in every fucking scene!!!! Although he was a pervo in 8mm.
cuntingham54 3 months ago
And still one of my favorite quotes came from this season i think, "We used to build shit." Ain't that the fucking truth. We need more jobs for these guys not less.
blakmagik4 4 months ago
@blakmagik4 Yeah that quote almost teared me up with American pride and a heavy sadness about where we are now
jackhovatter 3 months ago
sad thing is they were still cheating the system and losing crates.
I'm very very pro union though. I still didn't find season 2 nearly as compelling as the other season as i can more relate to the stories about drugs in neighborhoods, police misconduct, bad schools and a political system that seeks to fix none of it. Much more then this story at least. That being said i can appreciate it a ton more now that i've watch season 2 many times looking for the meaningful narrative.
blakmagik4 4 months ago
This would be really sad IF Sabotka actually didn't know what was going on with the dead girls.
DrDavidHowler 4 months ago
One ends up dead, one homeless. :(
What a show.
mesmiths 4 months ago
@mesmiths So that was him in season 5 homeless as hell?? I thought I was seeing shit. Thanks
cuntingham54 3 months ago
When i watch any season after season 2 i always think "i miss the docks"
sootandstars 4 months ago 2
The most important scene is in Season 2, maybe the whole series, is this one: "We used to make shit in this country... build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket."
watch?v=T-j5XWo1fPI
warszawianka 4 months ago 4
Frank Sabotka, surliest man ever.
synthstatic 4 months ago
Chris Bauer is the only actor (besides James Gandolfini) that I can picture playing the role of Tony Soprano. He doesn't have the Italian heritage, but he has everything else. He's tough, agressive, and corrupt, but still sympathetic, compassionate and very likable. Gandolfini set the bar very high for that kind of acting, but this guy is closer then anyone else I can think of.
steelbreeze55 4 months ago 17
@steelbreeze55 i agree with that actually. James was phenomenal
guitarkidsteve 4 months ago
@steelbreeze55 Very true!
MichaelScarn23 3 months ago
Heh heh, Ronny "the union buster" Reagan... one of the truest statements spoken on the show - the entire run that is.
tommyt1971 4 months ago
Haha, the "Fifth Commandment"
shearoberts 4 months ago 7
Not sure about "Most Important Scene" but a great scene nonetheless. One of the ones that stuck with me
mrjonz72 4 months ago 5
Not sure about "Most Important Scene" but a great scene nonetheless.
mrjonz72 4 months ago
season 2 was quite random for the wire.. just jumpin into a whole different sub-plot and cast of folks! although still amazin!
weeleon81 4 months ago
@weeleon81 Not random at all. The Wire was/is about the big picture and if you think the working guy isn't part of that then why would school kids be. Cops and Robbers and those in the middle and the newspaper trying to inform/entertain. Not "random" at all.
scooterboi17 3 months ago
Most people don't get it, but season 2 is by far the best.
kaihawaii93 4 months ago 3
goddamn, Chris Bauer is a fucking phenomenal actor
klinteastwood 4 months ago 3
Why is this the most important scene? If I had to choose a 'most important' scene from Season 2 it'd have been the 'we used to make shit in this country' scene.
Doryphoroi 5 months ago 4
@Doryphoroi That's what I thought this video was going to show. Still a good scene though.
onometopoeia 4 months ago
@onometopoeia I'm referring to the "we used to make shit..." scene. One of the memorable lines in the entire series. So poetic and tragic and true.
onometopoeia 4 months ago
Season 2 is pretty weak in comparison to the other season until the last few episodes in my opinion..
momaley1 5 months ago
lol@ bunks face at 1:15
Killoea 5 months ago
why is this the most important scene
iscottm 5 months ago
@iscottm The uploader likely assumed that the detectives in this scene was an allegory for the death of American labor unionization and the rise of foreign-controlled corporations that were once domestic. However, many unions tend to be plagued with corruption and the 'death' of American unions are usually caused by this. Also, once foreign shareholders institute a corporate takeover via majority controlled shares (holding company), unions "tend" to disband and/or the workforce replaced.
PharodWormhair 4 months ago
@PharodWormhair All those words and you still got it wrong. "many", "tend", "usually", as Bubbles would say "No offense, son, but that's some weak-ass thinking. You equivocating like a motherfucker."
scooterboi17 3 months ago
@scooterboi17 Weak-ass thinking? I actually work as a operational consultant. What do you know about unionization, you arm-chair economist? Your resume:
- Professional background: Google Ninja
- Occupation: Youtube Comments
- Residency: Mom's basement
PharodWormhair 3 months ago
@PharodWormhair You just showed your hand. It's a rocking chair sorry. You should try google, oh you have maybe community college. What do I know about unionization well being from Detroit... never mind, you already know all about me. Google Ninja, that's clever but somehow I don't think you made that up-props if you did but I don't think so. You should save your digs,burns,gotchas, et al for some other know nothing just like me. Wait... I think I hear my dead mom calling. What a meanie!
scooterboi17 3 months ago
@PharodWormhair Work?
scooterboi17 3 months ago
@PharodWormhair You "Work" as an "operational consultant"? Don't you mean 'make money at'? "you arm-chair economist?" Did you skip english class while working on your economics degree? Don't be evil! or in your case don't be an asshole!
scooterboi17 2 months ago
@scooterboi17 Get a fucking life.
PharodWormhair 2 months ago
@PharodWormhair You got a degree now you can get a fucking life too.
scooterboi17 2 months ago
@scooterboi17 lol the truth is evil i guess
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 months ago
@ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz And I guess Assholes are always right too.
scooterboi17 2 months ago
@scooterboi17 nope but tell me what is irrational about his opinion, maybe you dont like what you hear but that doesnt mean he's wrong or an asshole.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 2 months ago
occupy the wire
jubileeshine 5 months ago
Season two is so underrated. Amazing show.
Sirstingray 5 months ago
Great scene! Been looking for it for ages, love the passion and fight sabotka shows here, very stirring!
b4rn35y 5 months ago
season 1 will remain the best to me
stuntmanwaves 5 months ago
i take the fifth commandment
sullyb103 5 months ago 2
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sullyb103 5 months ago
if people dont like profinity and a boring storyline than why watch the sopranos?... im sure this being a series toward black people.. had something to do with it going unwatched and low ratings :/ sadly
bulletshotfromgun 5 months ago 3
@bulletshotfromgun great opinion. would you actually say that to a black person in person?
lubui2583 5 months ago
@lubui2583 I am black sooooo^ trust me I know why it went unwatched :)
bulletshotfromgun 5 months ago
@bulletshotfromgun that makes a whole of sense.
lubui2583 5 months ago
21 people love black guys
Search in google: the wire boring
AldoRPX 5 months ago
@AldoRPX yup and its most likely 21 white women that love BLACK GUYS!!
lubui2583 5 months ago
you can't be friends with everyone with a mouth like that
MufasaPurr 5 months ago
How sad... the second series had the most impact for me. I saw a similar such sadness in the decline and degradation of my homelands at the merciless death of industry. I hail from the coal mining South Yorkshire and proud. The bitter slaughter of the heart of countless communities is still felt today. Shit... see what money does to us all? That is the totality of our lives on this planet. Money.
jekk23 6 months ago 48
@jekk23
Likewise in West Central Scotland, where we used to have the coal mine, shipbuilding, and steelwork industries. Now all we have are empty schemes full of junkies, deprivation, and two or three generations of people living off the dole because there isn't anything else. God I love the conservative party...
sidewalkturtle113 6 months ago
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jekk23 6 months ago
@jekk23 I read that shit in line 4 as Sssssshhhiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt.
MrChrisTimmer 4 months ago
@jekk23 Great comment.
cooperjohn90 3 months ago
After watching the complete series for the second time around, season 2 was fantastic.
mroscoe 7 months ago 50
@mroscoe Two and four are my favourites. The scope on education was pretty deep. But season two is just outstanding. So raw.
pelotillox 6 months ago
@pelotillox You're so right two and four were the deepest, for my mind however two was the saddest, spoke to me more than any other.
skyrim579 6 months ago
@mroscoe I watched them all again, and I think season 2 was one of the best.
brian15243 5 months ago
@mroscoe I agree, season 2 was awesome. But Season 3 is where it's at, best season imo.
LeBronForTheWin 5 months ago
@LeBronForTheWin Season 4! The kids really raise the emotional stakes, Prez is great and I think almost no McNulty was a good thing for the show. Better without a sentral character at that point.
eirikwegga 4 months ago
@mroscoe season 2 was incredible! the institutions involved were at its most corrupt in that all the high level players pitted against each other with consequences thrown to the little man.
spiltbluhd 4 months ago
@mroscoe Season 2 was always fantastic.... Frank Sobotka is a Greek Tragedy Hero... amazing.
OcelotDAD 4 months ago
@OcelotDAD Agree... What really amazes me though is that Sobotka somehow connects ancient Greek Tragedy with modern Greek man.
Actually Frank Sobotka is the REAL Greek of the series... although he is supposed to be Polish.... his code, his flaws, his charisma, his conservative way of thinking, his pride, his prejudices, his morality...
A modern Greek watching Frank Sobotka is like watching... family.
Vitzilantis 4 months ago
@mroscoe I hated the second season the first time I watched it. I watched it again and had a totally different appreciation for the dialogue. They need to give the Bunk and Omar their own series. Not sure why they killed Omar, he didn't die in real life. Neither did Snoop.
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Sikknote 4 months ago
@mroscoe
i feel like i gotta watch the whole thing again to appreciate season 2.
chrisevilmonkey 4 months ago
@mroscoe I agree a hundred percent first time I watched season two I was kinda like "eh-whatever lets see the bangers" but after watching it again I realized how well developed and how truly important the guys at the docks were
jackhovatter 3 months ago
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hayesism, he talks about how the union survived dismantling by various government organizations. documentaries like the corporation and the warning detail how the government played a pivotal role in dismantling american industry, including clinton, the labor sympathizing BS of the democrats and NAFTA. the journalist chris hedges has written extensively on this subject.
HRobertsful 7 months ago
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HRobertsful 7 months ago
Was 'The Wire' ever broadcast in widescreen?
ecidadeII 7 months ago
I take the fifth commandment. Hah!
FatMenace 7 months ago
The description should have said "Frank Sabotka and the end of AN American industry." Industries only end to make room for more productive ones (except in the case of governments deliberately dismantling them). My heart goes out to him and his ignorance, but Sabotka just demonstrates the failure of unions to recognise basic Ricardian economics.
hayesism 8 months ago