the oversteer was less tires and more of your approach of the corner. you used about 25% of the road you shouldve, hugging the inside on the left hander before, then slamming the brakes while you turn in super hard, pushing the weight, and grip, onto the front tires, just taking the corner too fast... you sholdve came in a little wider and braked in a strait line, as little as was needed nonetheless
you push it a lot and thats something i like about you but you push the car to much and the car does't agree with you and sometimes rejects the driver
oversteer and understeer are caused by the driver....not the car or tires. yes a car may have a tendency to do one or the other, but it's up to the driver to control that tendency.
when you have different tires the balance is damaged because the tires have different grip, I´ve got 3 michelin pilot sport and 1 Toyo RA-1 on my Tercel and the handling is crapy even though these are good tires!
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.
you have to be smoother on the transition from left to right, get a better entry speed (slower in, faster out) and don´t lift off while turning or you´ll spin out again and again
I'm 99% positive that oversteer occurred because you lifted off right at the apex of the turn, causing all the weight to shift to the front of the car.
Yes I agree and the tire selection of having older and narrower Race Compound tires in the rear compared to the front made the car much more prone to lift throttle oversteer compared to using the same tires front and rear.
Make sure to not overcorrect when faced with understeer, especially with a FWD car. FWD cars can handle oversteer quite well as long as you point the front tires in the direction of travel. The idea isn't to just turn the opposite way, it is to get the front tires pointed in the direction you want to go. Overcompensating will throw off the balance of the car, and then turning right again will completely destroy it.
its just a crapy car that has 0% handling now wonder its going every where but not the good way and like you can see is the driver also not zo good because if you have oversteer you much steer towards where you want to go and not puch the horn
You were losing the rear end after the initial left, and then proceeded to turn in for the right hand turn before settling the chassis. So of course this resulted in a hook slide from hell lol. A little smoother with the inputs and you would have been alright, but there isn't a set of tires on the earth that could have handled what you were asking of them in that "oversteer" example in the video lol looks like fun though!
Oversteer can occur in a front wheel drive when the rear tires have less grip then the front in a corner. Cars are engineered to unsteer because it's easier to correct and safer way to crash. Suspension modifications and difference in tires from front to rear can cause a FWD car to easily have lift throttle oversteer near the limit of grip. Rear wheel drive cars can have power oversteer, natural oversteer or lift throttle oversteer.
jep, you overcorrected, and a little to a aggressive on the steering at the corner entry. but hé that happens at your rookie year, good learning experience
@Katlunazul so when you were a rookie you made no mistakes at all, when you take your car to the track, you never make mistakes, dude you shud go on Opra as the perfect human being! wow i feel blessed now!
@Katlunazul sorry man for Disturbing!!! as u r tryin to be smart and teaching me how to write/talk , would u tell me ( I MEAN TEACH ME ) how the hell i had to knw when he did put the damn description !!!! Mr. SMART !!
so i wasnt wrong in that comment,,,so stay calm,,,and dont have to act as Mr. YOUTUBE'S SMART GUY.
i live in montgomery ny and im 17 and bout to get my senior liscence im an ok driver for my age but i wanna get better what are some tips how i can get better if there is no track where near i live and i live in montgomery ny. if u know any tracks near me let me know also ?
Improving my skills requires going outside my comfort zone and pushing the limits of my capabilites. This video shows my 2 worst mishaps in dozens of hours of track driving. Those who have never driven beyond their ability will never improve. Ask any professional race car driver.
In 2006 my daily driven Insight was retired from track duty when I started using a track prepared 93 civic with a 2L engine on weekends. See my other videos.
I think you handled the oversteer rather well. You caught your over correction which is good (albeit spinning the car) but if you didn't, you could have gone sideways off into the grass and rolled it.
what was that meant to be? you'll end up really injured...if you not already are..im not being nasty but i mean that was pretty reckless on your first lap could you not get someone who knows what they are doing to show you the ropes
When oversteering in a front wheel drive car the only way to correct it is to apply more throttle. Hitting the brake when the car is oversteering, like you suggest, will make it worse because the weight transfer to the front will reduce grip in the rear even more!!!!
Unfortunately I applied the throttle too late and the car did not have enough power to straighten out right away. I also overcorrected too much because I didn't have as much experience back then.
I think you oversteered because you lifted mid corner and then tossed the car into the apex with no throttle whatsoever, then you overcorrected like 5 times.
And yes, second time you understeered because you came in too fast. Doesn't matter if it's RWD, you can still understeer if you're not driving correctly. Try taking a 50MPH turn at 100MPH and see if you dont understeer straight off.
a more basic and precise approach to achieving understeer & oversteer is applying it on a wet surface coz you tend to think slower to the fact that it's wet while instinctively pushing your vehicle to the limit & it'll just snap into over/under steer easily. But then again thats just my opinion & thats how i can really learn the vehicles limitation at a beginner level
you oversteered because you applied alittle too much power into the apex and understeered due too going to fast upon entry of corner....but good effort anyway balls of steel...
HAHAHAHAHHA hilarious how your like flapping at the wheel and then honk the horn hahahahahaah great video but.. Also i think the oversteer could have been partially caused by suspension setup/body roll??? Did you apply throttle when you were going sideways??
Absolutely. One of the first things I learned when I was doing racing lessons is that the car doesn't mean crap if you suck at racing. And boy do I suck. Huge commercial vans driven by professionals with camera crews were beating me, and I was in a Corvette.
Granted, I never had any experience racing anything in the past. I'd certainly want to do it again.
Both the understeer and oversteer was 90% driver error.
That was almost 2 years ago, I'm a better driver now, but still have lots to learn. The car had about -0.7 degrees of negative camber in the front and -1.5 degrees of negative camber in the rear because it's stock. Increasing downforce only in the front would cause the car to oversteer more easily.
Ahah!!! Nice response insightracer!!! Anyway, good video, just one thing... your first mistake of countersteering too much is a normal reaction of a normal person... i did it too long time ago. And the result was the same! Keep practicing, mate! :)
The true losers are the thousands of people who buy Porches, Corvettes and other real sports cars but never take their car to the race track. And they never take advanced driving courses to learn to drive their cars anywhere near their performance potential.
Crappy driver? Sure everyone starts out crappy while they are learning new skills.
Crappy car? Honda quality, aluminum chassis, better ergonomics and pedal layout then a Ford GT (I know this from experience). You must have mistaken the word crappy for slow, in that case yes it's slower then most cars people take to the track.
Loser? Spoken like an imature jealous guy that I'm willing to bet has never driven on a race track...LOL
Haha, Beep!
ToyotaGuy88 1 day ago
the oversteer occurred because of the same thing as IRBucephalus said and the understeer simply occured because you entered at to high of speeds.
Goldtacto 2 months ago
Either you're sitting in the same gear the whole time or you're driving an auto on the track? Seriously?
ohyeahtotally08 2 months ago
@ohyeahtotally08
In that section of track it's 2nd gear the whole way. This 5 speed manual car has very tall gears, 2nd gear goes to 115 km/hr.
insightracer 2 months ago
That would have sucked if the airbags had went off and your arms were crossed over each other as you try and turn the wheel
koolman280 2 months ago
U just completely suck at driving with ur fuel economy saver
MrJdm350z 3 months ago
Learn to drive dickhead, its not your tires fault.
ClTIZEN 4 months ago
You got oversteer because you lifted off in the turn. FWD for ya! :D
LukeD1uk 6 months ago
0:16 roadrunner beeps, then coyote spins
alikhalifehm3 6 months ago
the correcting made me laugh loads!
gingerleyham 7 months ago
0:16 honk if u r drifting :D
Chiuas666 7 months ago
id say its cause you dont know how to drive on a track
AndyJamesWilliams 7 months ago
the oversteer was less tires and more of your approach of the corner. you used about 25% of the road you shouldve, hugging the inside on the left hander before, then slamming the brakes while you turn in super hard, pushing the weight, and grip, onto the front tires, just taking the corner too fast... you sholdve came in a little wider and braked in a strait line, as little as was needed nonetheless
ThEtErRoRiZeR7r011 7 months ago
You forgot the last lesson learned.
Getting rid of your fwd.
joevworks 8 months ago
"effective"
GrimReaping 8 months ago
You're slowly destroying your Honda. Keep it like that :)
elchicoboy 10 months ago
The vid should be re-named to "shitty driving".
JoMammaSmurf 10 months ago 3
Nice vid!
lexelllll 1 year ago
At 0:17 that was some HORRIBLE correction. Over-corrected, then over-corrected again.
If he'd gotten on the gas after the first correction, he would have been fine...
Tuminatuh 1 year ago 2
you push it a lot and thats something i like about you but you push the car to much and the car does't agree with you and sometimes rejects the driver
thenutellatheif 1 year ago
over correction is the main issue here with regards to the over-steer incident
mmamdouh75 1 year ago
how did you get an insight to oversteer haha
simpkins0216 1 year ago
oversteer and understeer are caused by the driver....not the car or tires. yes a car may have a tendency to do one or the other, but it's up to the driver to control that tendency.
manek1978 1 year ago 3
your suppose to let go of your gas when you feel the counter steer is correcting.
xRoCstarx1 1 year ago
when you have different tires the balance is damaged because the tires have different grip, I´ve got 3 michelin pilot sport and 1 Toyo RA-1 on my Tercel and the handling is crapy even though these are good tires!
judacomadc 1 year ago
Holy crap G, you 39k views on this video... How do you do that???
TheTravelBoy 1 year ago
Ugly honda...
suixothekid 1 year ago
lolz who knew honda insights could do that
JAPANTUNER100 1 year ago
lesson 3. you are going too fast in the corner
prometnice 1 year ago
i think understeer is worse....id rather not see what im about to crash into.....and get myself killed
nelson4568 1 year ago
Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car and oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall, torque is how far you take the wall with you.
PurePower999 1 year ago
you have to be smoother on the transition from left to right, get a better entry speed (slower in, faster out) and don´t lift off while turning or you´ll spin out again and again
pakkinen 1 year ago
@RalphRexMurphyBimbo damn rigth man!!!! but u can get max performance from a better car of course rquiresmore ehmmm experience.....
mnmmak 1 year ago
wow fwd is a bitch when oversteered
yagam1 1 year ago
I'm 99% positive that oversteer occurred because you lifted off right at the apex of the turn, causing all the weight to shift to the front of the car.
IRBucephalus 1 year ago 16
@IRBucephalus
Yes I agree and the tire selection of having older and narrower Race Compound tires in the rear compared to the front made the car much more prone to lift throttle oversteer compared to using the same tires front and rear.
insightracer 1 year ago
Make sure to not overcorrect when faced with understeer, especially with a FWD car. FWD cars can handle oversteer quite well as long as you point the front tires in the direction of travel. The idea isn't to just turn the opposite way, it is to get the front tires pointed in the direction you want to go. Overcompensating will throw off the balance of the car, and then turning right again will completely destroy it.
fidgetingfinch 1 year ago
its just a crapy car that has 0% handling now wonder its going every where but not the good way and like you can see is the driver also not zo good because if you have oversteer you much steer towards where you want to go and not puch the horn
nvtuning 1 year ago
You were losing the rear end after the initial left, and then proceeded to turn in for the right hand turn before settling the chassis. So of course this resulted in a hook slide from hell lol. A little smoother with the inputs and you would have been alright, but there isn't a set of tires on the earth that could have handled what you were asking of them in that "oversteer" example in the video lol looks like fun though!
323Ci 2 years ago
haha yea blame it on the tires...
mrcrisman 2 years ago
thanks, this actually helped.
ThePapaBearr 2 years ago
quiet old man or else i'll break your leg. and go test how far up ur arse ur colt will go without going off.
DR1FTPRINCE 2 years ago
that was the funniest shit ever, you over corrected twice, lol, u should practice drifting.
DR1FTPRINCE 2 years ago
@DR1FTPRINCE lmao you dumb dumb cunt!
you see over there, the more info link..
what a dumb dubm fuck you are, you see where it says example, you know what that word means?
gotta love you dumb fucks, score one for dumb fucks!
TheeBaker 2 years ago
your racing honda insights and still doing time trial?
cyberschpace 2 years ago
That Insight is still my street car, but now I drive other cars on the track.
insightracer 2 years ago
@insightracer wait don't tell me that the 1st gen honda insight is rear wheel drive to cause oversteer
JimmyChannel1 1 year ago
@JimmyChannel1
All Honda Insights are front wheel drive.
Oversteer can occur in a front wheel drive when the rear tires have less grip then the front in a corner. Cars are engineered to unsteer because it's easier to correct and safer way to crash. Suspension modifications and difference in tires from front to rear can cause a FWD car to easily have lift throttle oversteer near the limit of grip. Rear wheel drive cars can have power oversteer, natural oversteer or lift throttle oversteer.
insightracer 1 year ago
@insightracer ok, so although fwds cant powerslide/drift, they can oversteer. but you can also do the scandinavian flick right?
JimmyChannel1 1 year ago
@JimmyChannel1
Yes almost any car can oversteer using the scandinavian flick specially in low grip conditions.
insightracer 1 year ago
less opposite lock and a boot full of throttle would have saved the first slide..
revitt1234 2 years ago
jep, you overcorrected, and a little to a aggressive on the steering at the corner entry. but hé that happens at your rookie year, good learning experience
Jitse1990 2 years ago
Its great to blame the tires. I would have thought that the problem was the entry speed as well as the way you use the throttle on the turns!!!!!!!!
Hey, but the tires.... Damn them all to hell!!!!
Oh, and the over correcting once, and again and again.... tires too?
Katlunazul 2 years ago 24
@Katlunazul so when you were a rookie you made no mistakes at all, when you take your car to the track, you never make mistakes, dude you shud go on Opra as the perfect human being! wow i feel blessed now!
TheeBaker 2 years ago
Nope. I am just saying that the problem wasn't the tires.
Katlunazul 2 years ago
aye maybe not but am sure they didnt help!
TheeBaker 2 years ago
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railgun1369 2 years ago
@Katlunazul no that would be the insight.
policeman1313 1 year ago
@Katlunazul IF U READ THE DESCRIPTION U WOULDN'T HV WROTE WAT U WROTE U SMART!!!
zehkgees 1 year ago
@zehkgees If you read what it says under my comment ("1 year ago") You wouldn't say so much crap you retard.
He did not write that from the beginning. That was added on later. Learn how to write/talk.
Katlunazul 1 year ago
@Katlunazul sorry man for Disturbing!!! as u r tryin to be smart and teaching me how to write/talk , would u tell me ( I MEAN TEACH ME ) how the hell i had to knw when he did put the damn description !!!! Mr. SMART !!
so i wasnt wrong in that comment,,,so stay calm,,,and dont have to act as Mr. YOUTUBE'S SMART GUY.
zehkgees 1 year ago
i live in montgomery ny and im 17 and bout to get my senior liscence im an ok driver for my age but i wanna get better what are some tips how i can get better if there is no track where near i live and i live in montgomery ny. if u know any tracks near me let me know also ?
moblackqb31 2 years ago
omg, dude, learn how to drive, and stop giving honda a bad rep... :S you can't keep honda on track, what would you do with american pile of steel???
SholeCRO 2 years ago
Improving my skills requires going outside my comfort zone and pushing the limits of my capabilites. This video shows my 2 worst mishaps in dozens of hours of track driving. Those who have never driven beyond their ability will never improve. Ask any professional race car driver.
insightracer 2 years ago
You are right... :D Everything you said is true, but please, use some other car for making videos ... :D
SholeCRO 2 years ago
In 2006 my daily driven Insight was retired from track duty when I started using a track prepared 93 civic with a 2L engine on weekends. See my other videos.
insightracer 2 years ago
What the hell does the car matter? He's on a track. If a car can move, by all means, race the damn thing. Stop being a brand whore.
Business6 2 years ago 5
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You fail at driving on a closed course.
Especially in your PIECE OF SHIT gas saver..LMAO.
jdmpower86 3 years ago
my thoughts exactly
valdezapg 3 years ago
Nigga
jdmpower86 3 years ago
its pretty obvious that these are MISTAKES that he posted. if you don't get that, you've fail at interpreting this video. shame.
heterosapien69 2 years ago
You were a second late with the counter steer, a second makes a huge difference when you are going so fast. Practice makes perfect :D
damian09pl 3 years ago
I think you handled the oversteer rather well. You caught your over correction which is good (albeit spinning the car) but if you didn't, you could have gone sideways off into the grass and rolled it.
WTCHME 3 years ago
what was that meant to be? you'll end up really injured...if you not already are..im not being nasty but i mean that was pretty reckless on your first lap could you not get someone who knows what they are doing to show you the ropes
007bondspy 3 years ago
lol,.. the First Vid , where you Oversteer.. You should just hit the Break.. You Turn the Wheel too much thats what make you Out Balance it. ;]
radensaufi 3 years ago
When oversteering in a front wheel drive car the only way to correct it is to apply more throttle. Hitting the brake when the car is oversteering, like you suggest, will make it worse because the weight transfer to the front will reduce grip in the rear even more!!!!
Unfortunately I applied the throttle too late and the car did not have enough power to straighten out right away. I also overcorrected too much because I didn't have as much experience back then.
Gear608 3 years ago 3
I think you oversteered because you lifted mid corner and then tossed the car into the apex with no throttle whatsoever, then you overcorrected like 5 times.
And yes, second time you understeered because you came in too fast. Doesn't matter if it's RWD, you can still understeer if you're not driving correctly. Try taking a 50MPH turn at 100MPH and see if you dont understeer straight off.
WicKedM3 3 years ago 3
why would u miss up ur car like that
hish911 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
okodorifuto 3 years ago
a more basic and precise approach to achieving understeer & oversteer is applying it on a wet surface coz you tend to think slower to the fact that it's wet while instinctively pushing your vehicle to the limit & it'll just snap into over/under steer easily. But then again thats just my opinion & thats how i can really learn the vehicles limitation at a beginner level
EVLGTR 3 years ago
you oversteered because you applied alittle too much power into the apex and understeered due too going to fast upon entry of corner....but good effort anyway balls of steel...
mattyp2785 3 years ago
A FWD car understeers if more power is applied while cornering, if the car was RWD (and had more power) you would be correct.
insightracer 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHHA hilarious how your like flapping at the wheel and then honk the horn hahahahahaah great video but.. Also i think the oversteer could have been partially caused by suspension setup/body roll??? Did you apply throttle when you were going sideways??
ryanacehigh 4 years ago
HAHAHA he honks the horn! LOL!!
fmx22 3 years ago 5
lol the horn, haha
A2DB0 4 years ago 3
not well corrigated
89dieselpower 4 years ago
Absolutely. One of the first things I learned when I was doing racing lessons is that the car doesn't mean crap if you suck at racing. And boy do I suck. Huge commercial vans driven by professionals with camera crews were beating me, and I was in a Corvette.
Granted, I never had any experience racing anything in the past. I'd certainly want to do it again.
TheFerruccio 4 years ago 2
he hit the horn lol
deancarr10 4 years ago 3
the first over steer.. oh man i laughed alot, u were turning the wheel like crazy to bring the car back on the track then u honk the horn......
gooziddaiejoon 4 years ago 3
EXCUSES-EXCUSES.
k20Lver 4 years ago
Great vid thanks!!
napalm84 4 years ago
Insight? haha,what a waste of r compound.
Recce80 4 years ago
lol
pucsicsal 4 years ago
Nice horn action!
spannermonkie 4 years ago
kumos 711's are the worst tire ever made by man. and dont belong on a track.
gavinsloma 5 years ago
I've never driven on Kumho 711 street tires. I used Kumho V710 Race compound tires. It's a completely different type of tire.
insightracer 5 years ago
Both the understeer and oversteer was 90% driver error.
That was almost 2 years ago, I'm a better driver now, but still have lots to learn. The car had about -0.7 degrees of negative camber in the front and -1.5 degrees of negative camber in the rear because it's stock. Increasing downforce only in the front would cause the car to oversteer more easily.
insightracer 5 years ago
Take it slower.
ebolamonk3y 5 years ago
Ahah!!! Nice response insightracer!!! Anyway, good video, just one thing... your first mistake of countersteering too much is a normal reaction of a normal person... i did it too long time ago. And the result was the same! Keep practicing, mate! :)
By the way, dont listen to the other fool...
BallisticEVA01 5 years ago
hahaha...no matter how many times I watch this...I must ask myself....Did you get your license out of a cereal box!? hahaha old fart
jdmpower86 5 years ago
Why do you keep watching it?
insightracer 5 years ago
The true losers are the thousands of people who buy Porches, Corvettes and other real sports cars but never take their car to the race track. And they never take advanced driving courses to learn to drive their cars anywhere near their performance potential.
insightracer 5 years ago
haha...what a crappy driver and crappy car...haha...maybe you should stick with conserving your gas..loser
jdmpower86 5 years ago
Crappy driver? Sure everyone starts out crappy while they are learning new skills.
Crappy car? Honda quality, aluminum chassis, better ergonomics and pedal layout then a Ford GT (I know this from experience). You must have mistaken the word crappy for slow, in that case yes it's slower then most cars people take to the track.
Loser? Spoken like an imature jealous guy that I'm willing to bet has never driven on a race track...LOL
insightracer 5 years ago
Excellent comparison and footage, thanks!
KuostA 5 years ago
Your welcome, unfortunately I don't film in-car videos that exciting anymore because as my skills improved my mistakes became more subtle.
insightracer 5 years ago