@SteveR88888888 They don't actually have the right of way - in the UK only pedestrians, horses (and their riders) and cyclists have a legal right of way.
Unfortunately the weather turned on me whilst I was out, I certainly didn't start out in those horrible conditions!
I cant stand fking cyclists,the other day driving down the street. Cyclists shoots str8 out of a junction causing me to brake hard,not one look.Does my head ryt in cyclist should be banned from the road and kept on the path.They have no knowledge and common sence, but they complain when hit by a car user. for gd Drivers like me,that just want to just get from A to B,get home n smoke n Erb.It pisses me the fk off when cyclists get me into tricky situations bcuz of there to stupid to fking look.
@muffinpops Well, you sound like a responsible road user, heading home to 'smoke n.Erb'. I can understand your head being done in by cyclists - I'm sure that if the limit of my brainpower prevented me from spelling correctly, formatting correctly or even constructing sentences grammatically, that I would be stressed out by cyclists... particularly if I was taking drugs.
It's OK though, I do know how to alleviate your suffering - stop driving. Especially if you are on drugs.
I'm a serious cyclist so i understand how dangerous it is out there but your not using the cycle lane provided for you!. In my opinion i've always felt safer in cycle lanes and as far to the left as possible. At the end of the day always expect the worst when you go out on your bike and try not to piss anyone off, you never know what nutter could be behind the wheel!!.
@kvgjyfr Very true, but the weather had deteriorated significantly during the course of my ride - the video doesn't really show it, but the wind was gusting so powerfully that I felt that I had to leave that much distance from the kerb, as I could easily be blown sideways almost the entire width of the cycle lane.
Yeah it's called reading stuff online and googling it- you'll be suprised how much info you can learn, and yes I am fully aware of the highway/vehicle code.
Wrong. Cyclists have right of way since they are 100 times more likley to be killed in an accident. I dont know the bike laws in England but in the US bikes have the right of way as well as pedestrains.
have you ever considered using the cycle lane that you seemed to be at pains to stay out of, it's pointless pointing out the error of other's who have after all had to take a test to be on the road not just nipped into halfords with a fist full of fivers if your going to ignore cycle lanes put there for your use.
You obviosuly dont know a thing about cycle lanes. They are often too narrow..cars often occupy them illegally..cyclists get right hooked (where 80 percent of bike vs car accidents occcur) and left hooked as well. please do a little research on cycling since you dont know anything on the subject. Thanks.
lets see i cycle ride motorbike drive car so i do know quite a bit about roadcraft, can you supply us with the source of your 80% bike v car claim which even if true and i doubt it still does not invalidate my point about staying in the cycle lane and the fact that cyclists are not required to under go any training before jumping on a bike and cycling away. many cyclist do not even bother to read a highway code.responsible cyclists are in the minority.
Why should me commute to work in an already crowded city be slowed even more by people riding bikes in the middle of my lane. Yes, I respect bikers and give them plenty of room, I'm just always angry at them. Yeah, i want to drive 5 mph following you up one of the many hills in this city that are over a mile long. . . .
Often..cyclists will take up the lane for their own safety. In many areas its perfectly legal to use the entire lane..it increases visability to car driovers and it keeps them from being right hooked or cut off.
It is for making politicians and non-cyclists believe that they are doing cyclists a favor. When actually they are marginalising the rights of cyclists to use as much of the lane as they feel they need for their safety. This cycle lane is too narrow, and full of broken glass, stone chips and dirt - making it dangerous to use. Of course no cager would know this, and they end up getting angry as you can see in the comments below.
I normally refuse to use the cycle lane. It's usually poorly surfaced, covered in rubbish, glass and god knows what else and far too narrow to be safe. I've went over the bonnet of the car of a driver who claimed that he had the right of way on a round about when I was coming from the right, oh and then he didn't see me even though I was in head to toe bright red and I'm not a little person either! Idiots are everywhere especially when you're on a bike.
it seems to me that inattentive driving is an an example of bad driving. those people may or may not be more likely to get in an accident. most of the causes of accidents i see on the motorways her in california are people not being aware that they are causing a bottleneck and allowing people to pass. i pay attention when i'm driving and that's what's most important.
It is really good to see a cyclist taking the trouble to film these asshole motorists. It is also interesting to hear how some motorists try to defend bad driving by attacking the messenger.
I rarely cycle now, I mainly drive and will not let my child cycle as the roads are too dangerous. When dtrivers are charged with murder for road killings things might change.
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What crap is this? The cyclist is way out too far in the road, and in one part the cyclist is not even in the cycle lane!! Another case of a cyclist trying to paint motorists in a bad light. Its time cyclists started acting responsibly
there's no law saying cyclists must use cycle lanes - often it's safer not to since they are often full of gutters and rubbish, and force you into a vulnerable position at junctions etc where they can't be seen & other traffic is forced to turn across them.
cyclists are also entitled to cycle in the middle of the road - again this is for safety. it helps stop drivers overtaking dangerously where there is some obstacle like in this video. it also makes sure the cyclist is seen by traffic turning onto the road, and stops muppets overtaking and swerving in front to turn. remember it's the overtaking vehicle's duty to ensure they over take safely, not the road user being over taken - in all these cases the drivers were in the wrong
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At the end of the day cyclists are just scum that think they own the road. They put themselves in the path of other vehicles, and pass on the inside then wine and whinge when they get cut up. Go figure. Ban all cyclists from our roads asap
Should we also ban the 1 in 5 bus drivers in London that run red lights? That's from an RAC study. Oops!
I think a lot more tolerance and sharing the road from all would be a good thing. You need to try harder BristolRE, your current attitude is appalling.
I'll try harder when cyclists do. I've put up with this scum on the road for 20 odd years and they piss me off. When they use common sense I'll do the same. Until then, they can keep out of my way
The problem with your approach is that you're essentially threatening murder just because someone "pisses you off". I think you give bus drivers a bad name as a result.
Not at all. I always give cyclists a wide berth. I never said I didn't. Just because cyclists piss me off doesn't mean I want to endanger them. They endanger themselves enough without any help from me! In the space of 25 minutes last week I saw a cyclist in the dark with no lights ride through a red light, and 2 other cyclists with rear lights only. What planet are these people on? Cyclists are quick to moan and whinge about car / lorry / bus drivers, but cant see their own faults!
Not quite - you imply you're happy to cut cyclists up and that they "should get out of your way". That's pretty threatening, especially when you consider the difference between being hit by a bus, and being hit by a cyclist.
Back to your original post, I hope you now acknowledge you were wrong in your comment about the cyclist being well out in the road. Jacomus' road positioning was absolutely spot on there and very responsible.
Please read my original post correctly ...... "Until then the scum can keep out of my way" (copied and pasted). I said KEEP out of my way, not GET, there is a difference. Meaning I would prefer it if they kept off the road completely. I NEVER squeeze past a cyclist, I find its better to sit behind them. They keep looking over their shoulder and most eventually pull over and wave me past.
Having just watched the clip again I stand by my original comment that the cyclist was too far out in the road. This is a clear case of a cyclist deliberately looking for trouble to post on YouTube.
As a national standards cycling instructor, I'll have to disagree with you. I suspect you think that cyclists should stick to the gutter, which would be poor cycling on their part and incorrect understanding on yours.
It doesn't matter where Jacomus is riding in the lane, it's still incumbent on the drivers to pass only when safe, and they don't. Don't blame their bad driving on the cyclist.
We'll have to disgree on that one then! Today whilst working I was paying special attention to see who jumped red lights! I noted 1 car and 8 cyclists!!!! Wish I'd not been driving as I'd have loved to have videod 2 of the cyclists, it was just so blatant.
Your view on cyclists having to ride in the gutter is contrary to National Standards cycle training, the book Cyclecraft by John Franklin which is endorsed by ROSPA and published by the govt. stationery office, and to the highway code. Who are we to believe, you, or these leading authorities?
Like many cyclists, I dislike the red light jumping that we all see out there. This behaviour is ignorant and selfish no matter which road users are doing it. It's one point we can agree on at least.
I'm neither a cyclist nor a motorist, but I firmly believe that the roads are for SHARING. Therefore a cyclist riding in the middle of the road is giving the message I'M HOGGING THIS ROAD. Thats wrong. Plain and simple. In this clip the cyclist is not prepared to share the road with motorists. Lets be sensible here, the roads are for everyone, not for cyclists to hinder the passage of other road users!
I'm afraid your attitude, though commendable, is backwards OldCodgerBob - it is those car drivers who are unwilling to share the road with me. Cylists need space to be safe, if they do not give it, they cannot be sharing. I will also point out AGAIN that I was not in the middle of the road except on the approach to the two roundabouts, following the guidelines of Cyclecraft. Everyone else who passed me that day could share the road with me, and a few got a friendly wave of thanks.
But Jacomus only needs to be out to ensure his own safety, and that's the key bit you're missing. It's the car drivers that are not sharing, by passing dangerously close and risking his life. There's nothing preventing them from doing a proper overtake, except stupid impatience.
Let's be honest, any few seconds spent behind a cyclist are easily recouped by the reduced time spent in the next queue. So many times an overeager motorist passes me only to be repassed and left for dust.
If you take the time to check out any cycling forums, I think you will find that complaints about rlj-ing cyclists crop up frequently, and are ofthen more vociferous than mentions of bad driving.
I am not saying all drivers are bad and should get off the roads (even though cars kill 3500 people in the UK per year and injure aprox 15,000). I would appriciate it if you did not lump me in with untrained cyclists, who do not respect the law.
It is my desire to have safe roads, where all users respect the law and each other that causes me to wear a camera. Collecting videos like this shows that car drivers are far from the model examples of road users they so often claim to be. I am aware of poor cycling, and if you look through my videos you will see a couple where I have caught bad cycling too.
I'll try harder when cyclists do. I've put up with this scum on the road for 20 odd years and they piss me off. When they use common sense I'll do the same. Until then, they can keep out of my way
Showing your true colours there BristolRE -- if you read therealjacomus' comments, you'll note that these drivers were highlighted as the exception to the rule.
Cyclists are perfectly entitled to positions themselves in the centre of the lane & don't have to keep within narrow facilities. We're not all scum and you should seriously consider some driver re-education / therapy if you're going round with an attitude like that.
We're not all scum, and from your earlier posts, you are not really that clued up about driving. You wrongly criticize others driving skills and have no respect for other road users. Go and get some help, please!
It is disappointingly unsurprising to see that you are a bus driver BristolIRE.
Please don't take your frustration at being trapped in a tiny cab all day out on cyclists. Every cyclist is one less car in the next traffic jam, and one less customer trying to pay with a tenner or scam you out of small change.
You need to chill out before you give yourself a heart attack.
Unaware of the Highway Code, unaware of the primary riding position and expects everyone to "keep out of his way"
A couple of our local bus drivers don't reckon he would be employed long here with skills and an attitude like that - they suggested asking the local company whether they condoned this type of behaviour in one of their drivers.
Judging by some of his uploads, he's probably too busy trying to get candid shots of young women's arses than to have any time to brush up on his driving skills!
He simply dislikes cyclists - bit scarey to think he's incharge of a bus witht the following attitude: "Cyclists are a serious pain in the arse and hated by motorists. Cyclists consistently break the law, I see numerous examples every day. When cyclists obey the law and they might get some respect from other road users." bla bla bla
We don't force drivers to overtake us. it's a simple choice they make. either use the brake to slow down until it's safer to go past, or go past now and risk it.
sadly so many of them risk it.. and it's the cyclist they are putting at risk by doing so.
Those drivers are idiots, they weren't "forced" to do anything any more than drivers are "forced" to drive on drink or drugs or "forced" to speed or "forced" to slam their cars into anyone or anything that shares the road with them.
The main issue is lack of planning: the vehicle drivers are too clearly bound up in their own world to take account of cyclists. To make a justification that they may endanger the cyclist in order to protect other vehicle occupants is nonsense. The vehicles have crumple zones: there is little risk to them, particularly id they wait a moment. Thas all it takes.
Funny how I didn't see even one bad driver. I did see one moronic bike rider who thought it would be fun to force cars to run into oncoming traffic in the rain though. One of two things will happen, either you will cause a fatal head on collision or someone will get smart and run over your sorry butt. You have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to be in the middle of a traffic lane when you have a bike lane available to you! Your actions will only get someone killed - and I hope it's you!
I should qualify that. I ride a bike to work every day. The road I ride on has parked cars where your bike lane is. I cross a major 4 lane intersection on a bicycle daily, with a turn lane replacing the parked cars. I know bad drivers, they race past me to dive for the turn. The drivers you encountered left you enough room. Notice how they had to cross into opposing traffic, in wet and slippery conditions, just to avoid you? YOU are the one in the wrong.
I assume whilst watching the video so carefully that you noted that when each of the three dangerous overtakes were made, there was no oncoming traffic. You point about the wet and slippery conditions is null and void because those conditions should mean the drivers take extra care, which clearly was not the case.
My eyes must be better than yours. At 0:45 minutes into the video (that's 45 seconds into it), I see a number of cars coming from the opposite direction while you're forcing drivers behind you into the opposing lanes. That's a head on collision waiting to happen. My point about wet and slippery conditions is extremely valid, it's not only the responsibility of the cars on the road to be careful. You are forcing them into a dangerous situation and whining about it. That's wrong.
Nope, my eyes are better. Notice at 0:45 how the road is wide enough that cars passing me do not need to cross into the oncoming lane. Note also I am riding on the left hand side of the lane.
Drivers do not HAVE to overtake a cyclist immidiately do they? The average delay caused by a cyclist to a single car in the UK is 20 seconds. The only vehicles who can't afford that kind of delay carry blue lights and siren.
I'll agree you aren't as far over at that point as you are at other points in the video.
Do they have to overtake you immediately? Should they brake from 40 to 10 in wet and slippery conditions just because you won't give them room? What guarantee do you have that the guy behind him will brake in time?
You're right there's no excuse for bad driving. My biggest pet peeve are drivers on cell phones, they're the worst. Your video shows drivers who are trying to avoid you though.
40 to 25 thank you very much :-D I don't have any guarentee that the driver behind will brake in time, except that in vehicle-cyclist collisions, a collision from the rear of the cyclist is the rarest. My main point though, is every other car that passed me during that hour and a half that I was riding for, overtook sensibly giving me the space I need.
Cyclists NEED room on both sides of them to dodge holes and manhole covers, and also on a day like that - to get blown around by the wind!
Who is forcing the drivers? I think drivers like you Dalkorian just don't get it do you? Cyclists have every right to the Highway (and read up about Highway taxation on this). Why is it that it is acceptable to drive a 1 tonne machine right up close and past another human being using the Highway with such potential danger? For what? 10 seconds advantage (which is quickly lost in the urban environment)? 2/3rds of drivers are selfish, arrogant, stupid or all three, as this video shows!
Things may be differnt in the US, but here in the UK, as a cyclist I have THE RIGHT to assume any position inside my lane of travel. This is also backed up by the Highway Code - you might like to check out rules 212, 213 and 162-167. These give clear guidelines on how cars should interract with cyclists on British roads, and it is equally clear that these cars were in violation of these guidelines.
If you indeed do have THE RIGHT to ride in the middle of a traffic lane at 20mph in a 40 zone it's still not a good idea. It's extremely dangerous for several obvious reasons. Those cars crossed into the oncoming traffic lane in order to give you a couple of feet of space & I'm guessing they would have given a slow moving car a similar amount of room. Make sure they note those highway codes on your tombstone.
A few people have said that I was in the middle of the road, and it seems a few eye examinations are required - I am clearly cycling in the left hand wheel track. I don't call crossing to the other lane putting their wheels ON the centre line.
The couple of feet of space was actually about 1 foot, but the camera lens does not give very good depth perception to the side.
Agreed you're a couple of feet to left of center. Right hand tires of the vihicle that passes at 10 seconds are clearly over the line in the oncoming lane. I guess what I don't understand is why it is so difficult for you to move a little to the right when cars are passing. Seems like the self preservation instinct would kick in at some point. Your comment about "moving out to block" sounds like suicide. Unless it's just the stubborn "I have the right" & "I'm trying to prove a point" attitude.
WILLHollifield, no, it's about the tradeoff of risk. Riding further out reduces the number of stupid and dangerous overtakes, as well as many other risks to cyclists, such as cars pulling out of junctions, etc. It won't eliminate them though, you'll always get some idiots who overtake badly like these drivers.
I *fear* someone's going to get killed by this person's actions. Either it's this person, or two innocent families involved in a head on collision because one of them tried to avoid this person.
Yeah, I stand by that comment. I'd rather lose one moron than two innocent families.
Of course you would rather lose one moron than two families, so would I. BUT here the only morons are the drivers that overtake me needlessly. Unfortunately though, in a crash, it is me as a cyclist that would pay the price for their haste.
If those drivers could have waited just a few seconds they would not be on video here, its not as if it is any effort for a car driver to speed up again after slowing down.
dalkorian, that's just silly. The highway code clearly states that you shouldn't overtake unless safe to do so. The drivers are stupid morons IMO for making such dangerous manouvres.
Ask yourself this dalkorian, would you pass a cyclist this close on your driving test and expect to pass? No. Then there is no argument. The cars were too close.
Would I pass a cyclist this close during a driving test and expect to pass? YES. It's called minimizing risk; when the choice is a head on collision with another car or making a cyclist uncomfortable, well, bring a change of underwear. No instructor would fail anyone for that either.
I think you need to retake your test (assuming you have passed it!) Minimising risk for who? The car drivers? What risk does a bike that they can clearly see ahead of them pose to them? It is certainly not minimising the risk for the cyclist is it? The cyclist is a legitimate road users as well you know and has all the same rights.
Remember you should only overtake when it is safe to do so. If there are cars coming in the other direction and it is not safe for all concerned (including the cyclist) then you wait. It's as simple as that.
If you really believe this, then you should STOP right now, and go and hand your driver license in and never drive again. Overtaking like this is taking a terrible risk. If you caused an accident as a result, any video camera evidence such as the above would likely serve very well to convict you.
You mean, given the choice of your airbags deploying or killing a cyclist, you'd chose to kill a cyclist. Don't have children, because that sort of selfish behaviour doesn't go well with parenting. I'd expect that if your child was drowning in rough sea, you'd not risk saving them because you might drown too? If you find someone bleeding to death you won't go near them for fear of AIDS? This planet has two kinds of people, I think YOUTUBE can see which kind you are...
Why do so many car drivers seem to think they are driving the bus from the movie "speed"- ie that if they drop below the limit their car will explode! The correct way to overtake a cyclist is to slow down behind them to match their speed, wait for an opening in oncoming traffic, then check mirrors, indicate and pass. Unless the road is exceptionally wide and there is adequete room for car and bike side by side.
It's a sad fact that riding a bicycle in Britain you'll get cut up about once a mile when riding in the city. It's no coincidence this happens so many times in one journey. It's routine and something needs to be done about it.
Absolutely, and it could start with the Police taking cyclists complaints seriously. If car drivers did any of these moves to another car or motorbike, there would be outrage.
A driver with a road sharing problem may fail to control anger & transforms into a bully if cyclist chooses (usually for own safety) not to use cycle lane. You're cycling quickly and for good reason need to sit further out from the kerb. The cycle lane is in the gutter, it's full of water and may not be wide enough. Bully drivers need to be exposed and this type of violent crime needs to be dealt with as a form of assault.
This proves how stupid cyclists are, your pissed because the cars want to pass you because your to slow, but if you notice there was a designated lane for bike riders on the far left. You never touched it. Your lucky your dumb ass didnt get run over.
Cycle lanes in the UK are suggestions only, and in this case the lane is not wide enough to allow cars to pass a cyclist safely, not to mention that it was full of road debris.
I am not "pissed" that the cars wish to pass me because I am slow, I am annoyed that the drivers did not take my safety into consideration.
You have seen the video, how hard would it have been for those drivers to turn the wheel just a little bit more and give me the correct amount of room I have a right to?
I can assure you we are not pissed. We are busy keeping fit, enjoying the freedom and the extra 10 years that cycling provides. I hate when I have to use my car to get to work.
I do. I ride my bicycle to work daily and have seen true bad drivers. My point is these folks aren't it. They are forced into a choice, brake in wet conditions and hope everyone behind them does the same, or pass this guy by moving into the opposing lane. He's endangering the lives of everyone on the road with him for no better reason than to show their license plate numbers to the world in some vain attempt to prove some point.
Spot on - it's the same minority of wingers who never take on the notion that they might be at fault -- cyclist "caused" accident because they forced me to overtake dangerously -- speed camera "caused" accident because it forced me to slow down dangerously etc -- always someone else's fault, never them and, I don't know why, but I'm sure most of them read the Daily Mail
I think roads should be improved, cyclist is in danger and average car driver can't look from cyclist point of view, would be best if cyclists would be given good share of road as in future driving passenger cars is reduced by green bandwagon.
Blimey! Did you notice the lorry driver comment about cycle lanes on movingtargetzine? He called the type of lanes in your video "execution zones". I'm not surprised to see an experienced rider like you avoiding riding in them.
Btw, I'd report the driving instructor to his company, myself.
The "execution zone" runs all the way along this road, and gives some cyclists a false sense of security. It is a 40mph road, but most cars tend to sit around 50mph along it.
I could almost feel that UCS-reg car coming from behind before it appeared. You just know that after two do it, there'll be a third idiot who thinks they can just squeeze past.
Indeed, I looked over my shoulder before the pinch point, and took in the three cars. I would have moved out to block, but they already started passing before I could react.
@SteveR88888888 They don't actually have the right of way - in the UK only pedestrians, horses (and their riders) and cyclists have a legal right of way.
Unfortunately the weather turned on me whilst I was out, I certainly didn't start out in those horrible conditions!
therealjacomus 1 year ago
I cant stand fking cyclists,the other day driving down the street. Cyclists shoots str8 out of a junction causing me to brake hard,not one look.Does my head ryt in cyclist should be banned from the road and kept on the path.They have no knowledge and common sence, but they complain when hit by a car user. for gd Drivers like me,that just want to just get from A to B,get home n smoke n Erb.It pisses me the fk off when cyclists get me into tricky situations bcuz of there to stupid to fking look.
muffinpops 1 year ago
@muffinpops Well, you sound like a responsible road user, heading home to 'smoke n.Erb'. I can understand your head being done in by cyclists - I'm sure that if the limit of my brainpower prevented me from spelling correctly, formatting correctly or even constructing sentences grammatically, that I would be stressed out by cyclists... particularly if I was taking drugs.
It's OK though, I do know how to alleviate your suffering - stop driving. Especially if you are on drugs.
therealjacomus 1 year ago
Man, your bein a hypocrit. I cycle,,,, a lot. & if theres a cycle lane i'M IN IT MORON!!!!!!
blackwatchman01 1 year ago
Uhh...bike lane much, dimbulb?
Let's see, 40 lbs of bike vs. 3000 lbs of car - you do the math.
I'd have passed you just like that, too - maybe a little closer to teach you a lesson.
It's not called a 'bicycleway'. Bikes belong on the SIDEWALK with the rest of the TOYS.
USAon3 1 year ago
I'm a serious cyclist so i understand how dangerous it is out there but your not using the cycle lane provided for you!. In my opinion i've always felt safer in cycle lanes and as far to the left as possible. At the end of the day always expect the worst when you go out on your bike and try not to piss anyone off, you never know what nutter could be behind the wheel!!.
kvgjyfr 2 years ago
@kvgjyfr Very true, but the weather had deteriorated significantly during the course of my ride - the video doesn't really show it, but the wind was gusting so powerfully that I felt that I had to leave that much distance from the kerb, as I could easily be blown sideways almost the entire width of the cycle lane.
therealjacomus 1 year ago
Your not in a car are you.
MMMDOG101 2 years ago
I know where this is....5 minutes from St peters school :D
thomase1 3 years ago
Yeah it's called reading stuff online and googling it- you'll be suprised how much info you can learn, and yes I am fully aware of the highway/vehicle code.
Dershnof 3 years ago
Wrong. Cyclists have right of way since they are 100 times more likley to be killed in an accident. I dont know the bike laws in England but in the US bikes have the right of way as well as pedestrains.
Dershnof 3 years ago
have you ever considered using the cycle lane that you seemed to be at pains to stay out of, it's pointless pointing out the error of other's who have after all had to take a test to be on the road not just nipped into halfords with a fist full of fivers if your going to ignore cycle lanes put there for your use.
theonlyjoker1 3 years ago
You obviosuly dont know a thing about cycle lanes. They are often too narrow..cars often occupy them illegally..cyclists get right hooked (where 80 percent of bike vs car accidents occcur) and left hooked as well. please do a little research on cycling since you dont know anything on the subject. Thanks.
Dershnof 3 years ago
lets see i cycle ride motorbike drive car so i do know quite a bit about roadcraft, can you supply us with the source of your 80% bike v car claim which even if true and i doubt it still does not invalidate my point about staying in the cycle lane and the fact that cyclists are not required to under go any training before jumping on a bike and cycling away. many cyclist do not even bother to read a highway code.responsible cyclists are in the minority.
theonlyjoker1 3 years ago
@theonlyjoker1 So you think that my only form of transport is a bicycle? I don't hold a driver's licence? I don't own two cars and a motorbike?
therealjacomus 1 year ago
When you driving in the street where there are stop light. There's no need to be in a hurry, you won't get any faster.
But on the highway is another story.
Either way, watch out for cops, they love to fish you out the road.
RaidenXyooj 3 years ago
Why should me commute to work in an already crowded city be slowed even more by people riding bikes in the middle of my lane. Yes, I respect bikers and give them plenty of room, I'm just always angry at them. Yeah, i want to drive 5 mph following you up one of the many hills in this city that are over a mile long. . . .
Nicksburgh 3 years ago
that ain't no car dude. Thats some form of a two-wheeler. bicycle, motorcycle...u figure it out.
5literimporteater 3 years ago
t'as cas serrer ta gauche banane !
janeau3 3 years ago
Its true cars should give room... But use common sense.. a car will flatten you so why ride in the middle of the road?
suirllinddracus 3 years ago 2
You mean when he stopped at the light?
That's what you're supposed to do.
Masamunecb 3 years ago
Often..cyclists will take up the lane for their own safety. In many areas its perfectly legal to use the entire lane..it increases visability to car driovers and it keeps them from being right hooked or cut off.
Dershnof 3 years ago
cycling is too dangerous becuase of cars, so i've given it up,
also many cycle shop owners and their staff can be incredibly arrogant.
trust me , i spent about 3000 dollars on the sport.
cycling is fucked
gmspeedfreak 3 years ago
Ok then. I guess everyone should just sell their bikes now!
Dershnof 3 years ago
What is the cycling lane for?
skaboosh 3 years ago
It is for making politicians and non-cyclists believe that they are doing cyclists a favor. When actually they are marginalising the rights of cyclists to use as much of the lane as they feel they need for their safety. This cycle lane is too narrow, and full of broken glass, stone chips and dirt - making it dangerous to use. Of course no cager would know this, and they end up getting angry as you can see in the comments below.
therealjacomus 3 years ago
skaboosh - around here cycle lanes are for deflating tyres or to stop motorists hitting potholes.
downfader2 3 years ago
@skaboosh
I normally refuse to use the cycle lane. It's usually poorly surfaced, covered in rubbish, glass and god knows what else and far too narrow to be safe. I've went over the bonnet of the car of a driver who claimed that he had the right of way on a round about when I was coming from the right, oh and then he didn't see me even though I was in head to toe bright red and I'm not a little person either! Idiots are everywhere especially when you're on a bike.
shelly2jn 1 year ago
it seems to me that inattentive driving is an an example of bad driving. those people may or may not be more likely to get in an accident. most of the causes of accidents i see on the motorways her in california are people not being aware that they are causing a bottleneck and allowing people to pass. i pay attention when i'm driving and that's what's most important.
mediaxpuppet 3 years ago
It is really good to see a cyclist taking the trouble to film these asshole motorists. It is also interesting to hear how some motorists try to defend bad driving by attacking the messenger.
I rarely cycle now, I mainly drive and will not let my child cycle as the roads are too dangerous. When dtrivers are charged with murder for road killings things might change.
robbo66oo 3 years ago
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What crap is this? The cyclist is way out too far in the road, and in one part the cyclist is not even in the cycle lane!! Another case of a cyclist trying to paint motorists in a bad light. Its time cyclists started acting responsibly
BristolRE 4 years ago
there's no law saying cyclists must use cycle lanes - often it's safer not to since they are often full of gutters and rubbish, and force you into a vulnerable position at junctions etc where they can't be seen & other traffic is forced to turn across them.
soruboruo 4 years ago
cyclists are also entitled to cycle in the middle of the road - again this is for safety. it helps stop drivers overtaking dangerously where there is some obstacle like in this video. it also makes sure the cyclist is seen by traffic turning onto the road, and stops muppets overtaking and swerving in front to turn. remember it's the overtaking vehicle's duty to ensure they over take safely, not the road user being over taken - in all these cases the drivers were in the wrong
soruboruo 4 years ago 2
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At the end of the day cyclists are just scum that think they own the road. They put themselves in the path of other vehicles, and pass on the inside then wine and whinge when they get cut up. Go figure. Ban all cyclists from our roads asap
BristolRE 4 years ago
Should we also ban the 1 in 5 bus drivers in London that run red lights? That's from an RAC study. Oops!
I think a lot more tolerance and sharing the road from all would be a good thing. You need to try harder BristolRE, your current attitude is appalling.
lsmike 4 years ago
I'll try harder when cyclists do. I've put up with this scum on the road for 20 odd years and they piss me off. When they use common sense I'll do the same. Until then, they can keep out of my way
BristolRE 4 years ago
The problem with your approach is that you're essentially threatening murder just because someone "pisses you off". I think you give bus drivers a bad name as a result.
lsmike 4 years ago
Not at all. I always give cyclists a wide berth. I never said I didn't. Just because cyclists piss me off doesn't mean I want to endanger them. They endanger themselves enough without any help from me! In the space of 25 minutes last week I saw a cyclist in the dark with no lights ride through a red light, and 2 other cyclists with rear lights only. What planet are these people on? Cyclists are quick to moan and whinge about car / lorry / bus drivers, but cant see their own faults!
BristolRE 4 years ago
I'll be out and about with MY camcorder soon capturing bad cyclists to post on YouTube to redress the balance.
BristolRE 4 years ago
I'll happily join you in slating their mistakes.
lsmike 4 years ago
Not quite - you imply you're happy to cut cyclists up and that they "should get out of your way". That's pretty threatening, especially when you consider the difference between being hit by a bus, and being hit by a cyclist.
Back to your original post, I hope you now acknowledge you were wrong in your comment about the cyclist being well out in the road. Jacomus' road positioning was absolutely spot on there and very responsible.
lsmike 4 years ago
Please read my original post correctly ...... "Until then the scum can keep out of my way" (copied and pasted). I said KEEP out of my way, not GET, there is a difference. Meaning I would prefer it if they kept off the road completely. I NEVER squeeze past a cyclist, I find its better to sit behind them. They keep looking over their shoulder and most eventually pull over and wave me past.
BristolRE 4 years ago
Having just watched the clip again I stand by my original comment that the cyclist was too far out in the road. This is a clear case of a cyclist deliberately looking for trouble to post on YouTube.
BristolRE 4 years ago
As a national standards cycling instructor, I'll have to disagree with you. I suspect you think that cyclists should stick to the gutter, which would be poor cycling on their part and incorrect understanding on yours.
It doesn't matter where Jacomus is riding in the lane, it's still incumbent on the drivers to pass only when safe, and they don't. Don't blame their bad driving on the cyclist.
lsmike 4 years ago
We'll have to disgree on that one then! Today whilst working I was paying special attention to see who jumped red lights! I noted 1 car and 8 cyclists!!!! Wish I'd not been driving as I'd have loved to have videod 2 of the cyclists, it was just so blatant.
BristolRE 4 years ago
Your view on cyclists having to ride in the gutter is contrary to National Standards cycle training, the book Cyclecraft by John Franklin which is endorsed by ROSPA and published by the govt. stationery office, and to the highway code. Who are we to believe, you, or these leading authorities?
Like many cyclists, I dislike the red light jumping that we all see out there. This behaviour is ignorant and selfish no matter which road users are doing it. It's one point we can agree on at least.
lsmike 4 years ago
I'm neither a cyclist nor a motorist, but I firmly believe that the roads are for SHARING. Therefore a cyclist riding in the middle of the road is giving the message I'M HOGGING THIS ROAD. Thats wrong. Plain and simple. In this clip the cyclist is not prepared to share the road with motorists. Lets be sensible here, the roads are for everyone, not for cyclists to hinder the passage of other road users!
OldCodgerBob 4 years ago
I'm afraid your attitude, though commendable, is backwards OldCodgerBob - it is those car drivers who are unwilling to share the road with me. Cylists need space to be safe, if they do not give it, they cannot be sharing. I will also point out AGAIN that I was not in the middle of the road except on the approach to the two roundabouts, following the guidelines of Cyclecraft. Everyone else who passed me that day could share the road with me, and a few got a friendly wave of thanks.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
But Jacomus only needs to be out to ensure his own safety, and that's the key bit you're missing. It's the car drivers that are not sharing, by passing dangerously close and risking his life. There's nothing preventing them from doing a proper overtake, except stupid impatience.
Let's be honest, any few seconds spent behind a cyclist are easily recouped by the reduced time spent in the next queue. So many times an overeager motorist passes me only to be repassed and left for dust.
lsmike 4 years ago
If you take the time to check out any cycling forums, I think you will find that complaints about rlj-ing cyclists crop up frequently, and are ofthen more vociferous than mentions of bad driving.
I am not saying all drivers are bad and should get off the roads (even though cars kill 3500 people in the UK per year and injure aprox 15,000). I would appriciate it if you did not lump me in with untrained cyclists, who do not respect the law.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
It is my desire to have safe roads, where all users respect the law and each other that causes me to wear a camera. Collecting videos like this shows that car drivers are far from the model examples of road users they so often claim to be. I am aware of poor cycling, and if you look through my videos you will see a couple where I have caught bad cycling too.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
I'll try harder when cyclists do. I've put up with this scum on the road for 20 odd years and they piss me off. When they use common sense I'll do the same. Until then, they can keep out of my way
BristolRE 4 years ago
Showing your true colours there BristolRE -- if you read therealjacomus' comments, you'll note that these drivers were highlighted as the exception to the rule.
Cyclists are perfectly entitled to positions themselves in the centre of the lane & don't have to keep within narrow facilities. We're not all scum and you should seriously consider some driver re-education / therapy if you're going round with an attitude like that.
nickperry68 4 years ago 3
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When cyclists reducate themselves and behave sensibly and respect other road users then I'll do them. Until then the scum can keep out of my way
BristolRE 4 years ago
We're not all scum, and from your earlier posts, you are not really that clued up about driving. You wrongly criticize others driving skills and have no respect for other road users. Go and get some help, please!
nickperry68 4 years ago 3
It is disappointingly unsurprising to see that you are a bus driver BristolIRE.
Please don't take your frustration at being trapped in a tiny cab all day out on cyclists. Every cyclist is one less car in the next traffic jam, and one less customer trying to pay with a tenner or scam you out of small change.
You need to chill out before you give yourself a heart attack.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
How nice to see an informed opinion....
Unaware of the Highway Code, unaware of the primary riding position and expects everyone to "keep out of his way"
A couple of our local bus drivers don't reckon he would be employed long here with skills and an attitude like that - they suggested asking the local company whether they condoned this type of behaviour in one of their drivers.
Cunobelin 4 years ago
Judging by some of his uploads, he's probably too busy trying to get candid shots of young women's arses than to have any time to brush up on his driving skills!
nickperry68 4 years ago
What's "Reducate" BristolRE?
ScumOfTheRoad 4 years ago
He simply dislikes cyclists - bit scarey to think he's incharge of a bus witht the following attitude: "Cyclists are a serious pain in the arse and hated by motorists. Cyclists consistently break the law, I see numerous examples every day. When cyclists obey the law and they might get some respect from other road users." bla bla bla
nickperry68 4 years ago
We don't force drivers to overtake us. it's a simple choice they make. either use the brake to slow down until it's safer to go past, or go past now and risk it.
sadly so many of them risk it.. and it's the cyclist they are putting at risk by doing so.
ahazon 4 years ago
Those drivers are idiots, they weren't "forced" to do anything any more than drivers are "forced" to drive on drink or drugs or "forced" to speed or "forced" to slam their cars into anyone or anything that shares the road with them.
spindrift1 4 years ago 4
The main issue is lack of planning: the vehicle drivers are too clearly bound up in their own world to take account of cyclists. To make a justification that they may endanger the cyclist in order to protect other vehicle occupants is nonsense. The vehicles have crumple zones: there is little risk to them, particularly id they wait a moment. Thas all it takes.
mortones2 4 years ago
they overtake so close to prove that they are better than you,why don't you understand that?
they are better than you,because they drive cars.
POIKMNBGY 4 years ago
Well really I wouldn't be proud of any of those cars, would you? I mean come on, a Vaux-dull Zafira? Seriously. A bike IS better.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
Wgat you meant to say is this:
They overtake so close to prove that they are fatter than you, why don't you understand that. They are fatter than you because they drive cars. :-)
magnatom 4 years ago
what a pathetic weasel you clearly are. Go back to your bible belt.
therealbonj 4 years ago
Do I sense sarcasm poikmnbgy? If you're being serious then you are a parody of yourself.
theoneandonlygames 3 years ago
Funny how I didn't see even one bad driver. I did see one moronic bike rider who thought it would be fun to force cars to run into oncoming traffic in the rain though. One of two things will happen, either you will cause a fatal head on collision or someone will get smart and run over your sorry butt. You have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to be in the middle of a traffic lane when you have a bike lane available to you! Your actions will only get someone killed - and I hope it's you!
dalkorian 4 years ago
I should qualify that. I ride a bike to work every day. The road I ride on has parked cars where your bike lane is. I cross a major 4 lane intersection on a bicycle daily, with a turn lane replacing the parked cars. I know bad drivers, they race past me to dive for the turn. The drivers you encountered left you enough room. Notice how they had to cross into opposing traffic, in wet and slippery conditions, just to avoid you? YOU are the one in the wrong.
dalkorian 4 years ago
I assume whilst watching the video so carefully that you noted that when each of the three dangerous overtakes were made, there was no oncoming traffic. You point about the wet and slippery conditions is null and void because those conditions should mean the drivers take extra care, which clearly was not the case.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
My eyes must be better than yours. At 0:45 minutes into the video (that's 45 seconds into it), I see a number of cars coming from the opposite direction while you're forcing drivers behind you into the opposing lanes. That's a head on collision waiting to happen. My point about wet and slippery conditions is extremely valid, it's not only the responsibility of the cars on the road to be careful. You are forcing them into a dangerous situation and whining about it. That's wrong.
dalkorian 4 years ago
Nope, my eyes are better. Notice at 0:45 how the road is wide enough that cars passing me do not need to cross into the oncoming lane. Note also I am riding on the left hand side of the lane.
Drivers do not HAVE to overtake a cyclist immidiately do they? The average delay caused by a cyclist to a single car in the UK is 20 seconds. The only vehicles who can't afford that kind of delay carry blue lights and siren.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BAD DRIVING.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
I'll agree you aren't as far over at that point as you are at other points in the video.
Do they have to overtake you immediately? Should they brake from 40 to 10 in wet and slippery conditions just because you won't give them room? What guarantee do you have that the guy behind him will brake in time?
You're right there's no excuse for bad driving. My biggest pet peeve are drivers on cell phones, they're the worst. Your video shows drivers who are trying to avoid you though.
dalkorian 4 years ago
40 to 25 thank you very much :-D I don't have any guarentee that the driver behind will brake in time, except that in vehicle-cyclist collisions, a collision from the rear of the cyclist is the rarest. My main point though, is every other car that passed me during that hour and a half that I was riding for, overtook sensibly giving me the space I need.
Cyclists NEED room on both sides of them to dodge holes and manhole covers, and also on a day like that - to get blown around by the wind!
therealjacomus 4 years ago
I totally agree with you about dirvers using phones, and IIRC some research has shown them to be as bad as drink drivers in terms of road safety!
therealjacomus 4 years ago
Who is forcing the drivers? I think drivers like you Dalkorian just don't get it do you? Cyclists have every right to the Highway (and read up about Highway taxation on this). Why is it that it is acceptable to drive a 1 tonne machine right up close and past another human being using the Highway with such potential danger? For what? 10 seconds advantage (which is quickly lost in the urban environment)? 2/3rds of drivers are selfish, arrogant, stupid or all three, as this video shows!
calvin1966vintage 4 years ago
Things may be differnt in the US, but here in the UK, as a cyclist I have THE RIGHT to assume any position inside my lane of travel. This is also backed up by the Highway Code - you might like to check out rules 212, 213 and 162-167. These give clear guidelines on how cars should interract with cyclists on British roads, and it is equally clear that these cars were in violation of these guidelines.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
If you indeed do have THE RIGHT to ride in the middle of a traffic lane at 20mph in a 40 zone it's still not a good idea. It's extremely dangerous for several obvious reasons. Those cars crossed into the oncoming traffic lane in order to give you a couple of feet of space & I'm guessing they would have given a slow moving car a similar amount of room. Make sure they note those highway codes on your tombstone.
WILLHollifield 4 years ago
A few people have said that I was in the middle of the road, and it seems a few eye examinations are required - I am clearly cycling in the left hand wheel track. I don't call crossing to the other lane putting their wheels ON the centre line.
The couple of feet of space was actually about 1 foot, but the camera lens does not give very good depth perception to the side.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
Agreed you're a couple of feet to left of center. Right hand tires of the vihicle that passes at 10 seconds are clearly over the line in the oncoming lane. I guess what I don't understand is why it is so difficult for you to move a little to the right when cars are passing. Seems like the self preservation instinct would kick in at some point. Your comment about "moving out to block" sounds like suicide. Unless it's just the stubborn "I have the right" & "I'm trying to prove a point" attitude.
WILLHollifield 4 years ago
WILLHollifield, no, it's about the tradeoff of risk. Riding further out reduces the number of stupid and dangerous overtakes, as well as many other risks to cyclists, such as cars pulling out of junctions, etc. It won't eliminate them though, you'll always get some idiots who overtake badly like these drivers.
lsmike 4 years ago
What a horrible reply! You HOPE that someone gets killed!!!!!! Nasty piece of work. I feel sorry for you.
2007Ashtrayhead 4 years ago
I *fear* someone's going to get killed by this person's actions. Either it's this person, or two innocent families involved in a head on collision because one of them tried to avoid this person.
Yeah, I stand by that comment. I'd rather lose one moron than two innocent families.
dalkorian 4 years ago
Of course you would rather lose one moron than two families, so would I. BUT here the only morons are the drivers that overtake me needlessly. Unfortunately though, in a crash, it is me as a cyclist that would pay the price for their haste.
If those drivers could have waited just a few seconds they would not be on video here, its not as if it is any effort for a car driver to speed up again after slowing down.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
dalkorian, that's just silly. The highway code clearly states that you shouldn't overtake unless safe to do so. The drivers are stupid morons IMO for making such dangerous manouvres.
lsmike 4 years ago
Ask yourself this dalkorian, would you pass a cyclist this close on your driving test and expect to pass? No. Then there is no argument. The cars were too close.
magnatom 4 years ago
Would I pass a cyclist this close during a driving test and expect to pass? YES. It's called minimizing risk; when the choice is a head on collision with another car or making a cyclist uncomfortable, well, bring a change of underwear. No instructor would fail anyone for that either.
dalkorian 4 years ago
I think you need to retake your test (assuming you have passed it!) Minimising risk for who? The car drivers? What risk does a bike that they can clearly see ahead of them pose to them? It is certainly not minimising the risk for the cyclist is it? The cyclist is a legitimate road users as well you know and has all the same rights.
magnatom 4 years ago 2
Remember you should only overtake when it is safe to do so. If there are cars coming in the other direction and it is not safe for all concerned (including the cyclist) then you wait. It's as simple as that.
magnatom 4 years ago 3
If you really believe this, then you should STOP right now, and go and hand your driver license in and never drive again. Overtaking like this is taking a terrible risk. If you caused an accident as a result, any video camera evidence such as the above would likely serve very well to convict you.
lsmike 4 years ago
You mean, given the choice of your airbags deploying or killing a cyclist, you'd chose to kill a cyclist. Don't have children, because that sort of selfish behaviour doesn't go well with parenting. I'd expect that if your child was drowning in rough sea, you'd not risk saving them because you might drown too? If you find someone bleeding to death you won't go near them for fear of AIDS? This planet has two kinds of people, I think YOUTUBE can see which kind you are...
calvin1966vintage 4 years ago
Why do so many car drivers seem to think they are driving the bus from the movie "speed"- ie that if they drop below the limit their car will explode! The correct way to overtake a cyclist is to slow down behind them to match their speed, wait for an opening in oncoming traffic, then check mirrors, indicate and pass. Unless the road is exceptionally wide and there is adequete room for car and bike side by side.
theoneandonlygames 3 years ago
It's a sad fact that riding a bicycle in Britain you'll get cut up about once a mile when riding in the city. It's no coincidence this happens so many times in one journey. It's routine and something needs to be done about it.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago
Absolutely, and it could start with the Police taking cyclists complaints seriously. If car drivers did any of these moves to another car or motorbike, there would be outrage.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
A driver with a road sharing problem may fail to control anger & transforms into a bully if cyclist chooses (usually for own safety) not to use cycle lane. You're cycling quickly and for good reason need to sit further out from the kerb. The cycle lane is in the gutter, it's full of water and may not be wide enough. Bully drivers need to be exposed and this type of violent crime needs to be dealt with as a form of assault.
mailpauljonescouk 4 years ago 3
This proves how stupid cyclists are, your pissed because the cars want to pass you because your to slow, but if you notice there was a designated lane for bike riders on the far left. You never touched it. Your lucky your dumb ass didnt get run over.
centralnj6090 4 years ago
Cycle lanes in the UK are suggestions only, and in this case the lane is not wide enough to allow cars to pass a cyclist safely, not to mention that it was full of road debris.
I am not "pissed" that the cars wish to pass me because I am slow, I am annoyed that the drivers did not take my safety into consideration.
You have seen the video, how hard would it have been for those drivers to turn the wheel just a little bit more and give me the correct amount of room I have a right to?
therealjacomus 4 years ago
I can assure you we are not pissed. We are busy keeping fit, enjoying the freedom and the extra 10 years that cycling provides. I hate when I have to use my car to get to work.
Why don't you try it sometime! :-)
magnatom 4 years ago
I do. I ride my bicycle to work daily and have seen true bad drivers. My point is these folks aren't it. They are forced into a choice, brake in wet conditions and hope everyone behind them does the same, or pass this guy by moving into the opposing lane. He's endangering the lives of everyone on the road with him for no better reason than to show their license plate numbers to the world in some vain attempt to prove some point.
dalkorian 4 years ago
No one has forced them to overtake! Read the highway code with regards to safe overtaking! The onus is on the overtaker!
If someone overtook you in your car and hit oncoming traffic would you be at fault! LOL!
magnatom 4 years ago 5
"If someone overtook you in your car and hit oncoming traffic would you be at fault!"
I'm sure some people would argue that you would be. Luckily, these people don't decide on laws ;-)
oliciv 4 years ago
Spot on - it's the same minority of wingers who never take on the notion that they might be at fault -- cyclist "caused" accident because they forced me to overtake dangerously -- speed camera "caused" accident because it forced me to slow down dangerously etc -- always someone else's fault, never them and, I don't know why, but I'm sure most of them read the Daily Mail
nickperry68 4 years ago
I think roads should be improved, cyclist is in danger and average car driver can't look from cyclist point of view, would be best if cyclists would be given good share of road as in future driving passenger cars is reduced by green bandwagon.
jtbo 4 years ago
I agree, most car drivers are very good and seem happy to wait for a clear space and overtake with pleanty of room.
Some drivers don't do this though, and are no better than a school bully. Except instead of bruises, they can cause broken bones and death.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
Good work! Take care and keep up this work. Best wishes.
Sibadd 4 years ago
Thanks. I have had enough of bad drivers thoughtlessly endangering my life every time I go out on my bike.
Video evidence will be posted here, and reports made on ratethatdriver
therealjacomus 4 years ago
Blimey! Did you notice the lorry driver comment about cycle lanes on movingtargetzine? He called the type of lanes in your video "execution zones". I'm not surprised to see an experienced rider like you avoiding riding in them.
Btw, I'd report the driving instructor to his company, myself.
lsmike 4 years ago 2
The "execution zone" runs all the way along this road, and gives some cyclists a false sense of security. It is a 40mph road, but most cars tend to sit around 50mph along it.
therealjacomus 4 years ago
I could almost feel that UCS-reg car coming from behind before it appeared. You just know that after two do it, there'll be a third idiot who thinks they can just squeeze past.
goomason 4 years ago 2
Indeed, I looked over my shoulder before the pinch point, and took in the three cars. I would have moved out to block, but they already started passing before I could react.
therealjacomus 4 years ago