re: Stop sharia Law in Britain

[Theangelahorne]

THERE IS A SHARIA COURT IN NUNEATON

pants on fire!!

[johnb66y]

excellent rebuttal however comparing the situation of Islamic women and Jewish women and blindly pronouncing them the same is a farce. Islamic women are actively brutalized and intimidated by their society. Jewish women are not.. The situation is like comparing a Mafia arbitration court where every one would "voluntarily submit" to its rulings, A religion that routinely all over the world employs tactics like Islam has no more business being granted powers of arbitration than the mafia.

[MagentaVaInc]

I think both Sharia and Jewish Courts should be forbidden..

[abbesieyes]

Mediate...to stand between. Application in Law...a thing put between the defendant and any conception of base Justice. Summary Injustice.

Just as with 'the news' being morphed into 'media'. 'News'...implying novelty and veracity, whereas 'media' implies something placed between the commoner and reality.

Fief Mediate rather than Fief Capital.

[abbesieyes]

While I am no supporter of the Roman Catholic (he's not really an atheist) Pat Condell, you are missing a fine point.

When the Minister talks about British Law...he is not referring to Acts. Acts are Statutes to which one has a choice of whether to adhere to or not. If one does not wish the privilege, one waives the benefit. The Law Common stands above Statutes Merchant, Admiralty, etc....as do all who cling to said.

Mediation is the manner by which justice is denied.

[quarky1948]

The massive problem with sharia is at the extreme edges that allow primitive punishment and denial of human rights. It has no place in an intelligent and enlightened society. Islam is part of a vile ideology and must stopped from within...Wake up muslims and break free...you are prisoners of a brainwashing cult.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@quarky1948 I guess killing people by electrocution or lethal injection, is not primitive, nor a denial of human rights?

These things are acceptable in the world's only superpower, the very bastion, apparently, of our "intelligent and enlightened society". Or are you OK with applying double standards?

You see, at the "extreme edges" of any ideology you will find unpalatable things. The thing about extreme edges, I find, is that they are not indicative of the mainstream of opinion.

[quarky1948]

@whypatcondellisntfun Killing is wrong regardless of crime... but It seems to me that western justice is at least fair. For example we don't kill adulterers or gay people...that's nature's problem not the business of religion. Nor is our justice based on a primitive garbled book and served without proper trial...Within Islam the maistream opinion is never truly heard because of fear...non muslims hate you because of this totalitarian ideology.

[sammy1324]

Where can I find this version of this song, great remix!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

The song is called "Making Me Nervous", and it is the Bill Berry Mix. This was in the info section. I'm sure if you google it you will find it. It is Creative Commons licensed so you should be OK to use it :)

[jgstargazer]

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel comfortable with this law. What if it was a misunderstanding and I was accused of shoplifting a $3.00 item.  Will my hand be cut off?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Firstly, I don't know of any Qur'anic reference which requires Muslims to chop off the hand of a thief. Secondly, even if such a reference existed, if you are not a Muslim, then Muslim religious law can never apply to you. I wouldn't expect a non-Muslim to pray facing Mecca, or to only eat Halal meat, or to abstain from alcohol, so why would a Muslim apply a Muslim law to a non-Muslim?

[jgstargazer]

@whypatcondellisntfun

Thank you for your reply. What worries non-Muslims are the Muslim radicals. They make it clear that they will impose strict Islamic laws on everyone including non-Muslims as they achieve world domination.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@jgstargazer

Thank you for your reply to my reply :). The Muslim 'radicals' are in a tiny minority, as are the Jewish, Atheist, Sikh, Hindu radicals, and so on ad infinitum. I'm not sure what timescale for world domination these people have, but something tells me it won't happen in our lifetime.

Yes, they shout the loudest and they get the lions share of tabloid media attention, but the rest of us are meeting in the middle and leaving others exposed for what they are right at the extremes.

[beltanebabe55]

I totally agree with what you are saying in this video. I have been trying to tell people that Beth Din has been in our country for over 70 years and has never caused a problem so why should Shariah?

I truly believe that people are frightened of what they don't understand, unfortunately people like the BNP like to not only cash in on that fear but do as much as they can to increase it. It's good to see someone fighting back by trying to educate. Truth is everything. xbb55

[saladinswarrior]

Shariah is derived from Quranand Sunnah.

Of corse there r some misinterpretations of it which contradict the Quran.

But as such Shriah is Islamic law and every Muslim should suppor it

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Y2K2KY - I have removed your comment as it is derogatory to Jews. This is not a channel for the expression of anti-Jewish views.

[Alyrith]

mentally abusive relationship + religious reasoning behind abuse + an under resourced legal system =/= a women complaining against arbitration decision.

congratulations! you have won the nirvana fallacy badge of the week. your point about the British legal system being imperfect is fantastic reasoning to not use it......or maybe not....

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I made the point about the court system not being perfect as a reply to those who criticise Islamic tribunals as being male dominated. If the court system is also male dominated, why are the same people not also complaining about that? It is the same problem.

I was certainly not suggesting that one should not use the court system, I know I would. However, other people have the legal right to use Sharia tribunals if they see fit, if you disagree, call your MP.

[julaybib]

"There is no great sociological chasm between

Muslim and non-Muslim women's

oppression." Arun Kundnani

[whypatcondellisntfun]

With regards to abusive relationships, there are many organisations out there dedicated to helping women in such relationships, some specifically tailored to Asian/Muslim women. It is almost inconceivable that a women would decide to break out of such an abusive relationship, not hear of these organisations, go through a sharia tribunal and end up back where she started in the first place. Surely that cycle would repeat until the woman takes her problem to an organisation that understands?

[ummelaila]

As the video states, Shariah Law is NOT enforced on ANYONE. It's arbitration that does NOT replace Judicial Law. Mulsims can opt for it - it is NOT mandatory upon anyone.

Again, the intent here is to spread panic and fear among the populace. This is a misrepresented issue and grossly distorted!!!

[ummelaila]

Talking about Shariah Law is a mere fear-mongering tactic on the part of bigots like Condell and his ilk. They spread panic to enhance and heighten Islamophobia. Without understanding it fully themselves, or accurately portraying and delivering factual truth, they speak on Islam like they are educated scholars. Quite the opposite rings true. Condell's ignorance is blatantly obvious to those with open minds.

Phenomenal job! 5 stars and faved!

[martinkun167]

Interesting video, I definitely agree with the point you were making on Jewish law courts. In my opinion, all religious laws should be extinguished; power to, and politicization of, religion always results in bringing out the negative side of faith. Even though secular systems aren't perfect, they are nonetheless much more effective and egalitarian than a religious/cultist form of governance.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Thank you for your comment martinkun167. Interesting that you would ban all religious laws, what about religious marriage laws which Christian invoke in church? Or the ethical investment rules which are integral to sharia law?

Do you have any evidence that backs up your claim that secular law is more 'effective' and 'egalitarian' than religious governance? I've not studied this thought process in depth, but how would one prove this objectively?

[StinkingHombre]

Fuck Sharia and fuck the horse it rode here on- Allahu a'Fuckbar

[Agretalien]

Thank you for you reply, I apologise for not spelling out that, to me, is obvious: If Sharia is arbitration why does it call itself law? Something is only voluntary if there is no consequence, in any form for refusal. Patriachal social constructs are not comparable where one is slowly correcting and the other stones to death for witchcraft due to male impotence. Thought that was sort of obvious.

[Baszottbivaly]

The very first point is the problem. Do you honestly think that muslim women who are too afraid even to take down their burnuses, will dare say no, I don't want allah's law on me, because it's bigoted? Come ooon!

2nd point: Why not address the jewish courts. Just so happens your religion holds jews as scum, but let's forget that for the sake of "argument". Why not? hm. Have you tried umm you know, ASKING him? I think his reason is because jew bigots are not nearly as despicable as muslim bigots

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Are all Muslim women afraid?

Can you please prove that Islam - the religion, not a country or group of people - holds Jews as 'scum' - using examples from the Qur'an of course. My Jewish friends would love to see it I'm sure.

Of course, it isn't bigoted to label Muslim bigots "not nearly as despicable as" Jewish bigots. Do you mean that all Jews and Muslims are all bigots, or just those who happen to be both Jewish or Muslim and bigoted?

Non-Muslims cannot be subject to Shariah law.

[Baszottbivaly]

We are worried exactly for those muslim women and children who will be subjected.

About the Q'ran holding jews as scum: Let's see what wikipedia has to say on it. Scholars like Claude Cahen[1] and Shelomo Dov Goitein[2] deny the existence of antisemitism in Muslim lands, on the basis that any discrimination which was practiced against non-Muslims was of general nature, and not directed specifically at Jews.[3] For these scholars, antisemitism in Medieval Islam was local... good so far eh? cont.

[Baszottbivaly]

According to Bernard Lewis[4], while Muslims held negative stereotypes regarding Jews, these stereotypes were not indicative of antisemitism because, unlike Christians, Muslims viewed Jews as objects of ridicule, not fear, as Muslims did not attribute "cosmic evil" to Jews.[5] In Lewis' view, it was only in the late nineteenth century that movements first appeared among Muslims that can legitimately be described as antisemitic.[6]

[Baszottbivaly]

The Islamic prophet Muhammad interacted with Jews that lived in Arabia: he preached to them in hopes of conversion, he fought against and killed many Jews, while he made friends with other Jews.[8]

Seems like to me, that you're pretty free to pick whether you want to keep them as pets, or kill them to the last one.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I don't think that having Jews as friends is equivalent to "keeping them as pets". Of course, the information you posted here shows specifically that Muhammad (pbuh) was not himself anti-semitic, otherwise he would have had no friends amongst the Jews, would he? nor would he have signed treaties of mutual protection with them, as he in fact did.

[Baszottbivaly]

This isn't about you! I quoted, that anti-semitism arised in the late nineteenth century! I am not regurgitating others opinions any more than anyone does when reading wikipedia. Islam isn't anti semitic in itself, it's the followers. I have a problem with the religion because it breeds more idiots that others. (Except for scientology, but that's less of a problem) You seem an intelligent person, and I'm quite baffled about how can you stand for a dogmatic, criminal, dangerous, fanaticising cult

[whypatcondellisntfun]

And does Bernard Lewis furnish you with any information as to if Islam requires Muslims to have negative stereotypes regarding Jews? Or did you not get to read that bit yet?

[Baszottbivaly]

According to Walter Laqueur, the varying interpretations of the Qur'an is important to Muslim attitudes. Many Quranic verses preach tolerance towards the Jews; others make hostile remarks about them (which are similar to hostile remarks made against those who didn't accept Islam); still another promises Jerusalem to the Jews.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

You are great at regurgitating other peoples opinion on the matter, and making generalised comments, but I would like to return to my original question to you which was for you to prove that Islam - the religion, not a country or group of people - holds Jews as 'scum'. You still haven't proven this. In fact, you have gone some way towards disproving it!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

There are specific organisations which exist to help Muslim and non-Muslim women who are in abusive relationships, I would suggest that a Muslim women who is scared to the extent that she is forced against her will should seek help from one of these organisations.

Your claim regarding "antisemitism in Medieval Islam" is spurious, as you say that apparently discrimination was practiced against *all* non-Muslims.

Exactly how is discrimination against non-Muslims supported in Islam?

[Baszottbivaly]

"Exactly how is discrimination against non-Muslims supported in Islam? " !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh it isn't really. Islam is a religion of peace. Oh, the behead those who insult islam, and the idiots shouting "Osama bomb you! that was just a mistranslation. Oh wait, it was the arab guy who spoke english. ooops. And the comment I got from some other Zidane-fan muslim that "I'll be pissing my pants on judgement day because I'm inferior to him for no being muslim", I see now, he wanted to save me!

[Aamirsaab]

If you knew anything about Islam, you'd understand that those condoning acts of terrorism are actually going against Islamic teachings. Also, I am offended at your sweeping adhominem attack in the post before this, regarding Islam breeding idiots. I myself have obtained 4 A levels, a scholarship and am currently studying at a university. I also have an IQ of 118 - a figure which is superceded by my mother and younger sister!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

You are talking about people and incidents that happened to you. You are not talking about Islam.

Islam is not a person or a country. Islam is a religion.

Can you tell me how the actual religion of Islam supports discrimination against non-Muslims?

[Agretalien]

You cannot claim to be using a reasoned argument and then argue by comparison: arguing that if the Jew is allowed then we must be or if we are not then the Jew is not, does not argue against the point. If you feel that the media depiction is so bad, it may be an idea to stop threatening to behead people, have quick jihad and take over the globe. Act like human beings and Pat Condell will treat you with the same contempt as christians.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Agretalien, the issue is one of equality not comparison.

If the Jewish Beth Din religious 'courts' are allowed to exist, so to must Islamic tribunals. I'm arguing that Atheists should campaign against *all* religious law, including Jewish. As the UK law stands, you cannot stop the Sharia tribunals without changing or repealing an Act of Parliament.

I've not threatened to behead anyone, why accuse me of it? What other ways you can justify treating me as sub-human? Cont...

[whypatcondellisntfun]

cont... Additionaly, Agretalien, the point I made about requiring simple equality with other people who have been entitled to religious tribunals for many decades was only one of a series of points I made in the video. What about the fact the the tribunal is voluntary? What about the fact that the secular justice system is male dominated and no Atheist I've heard thinks that is an issue but male dominated Sharia tribunals are to be feared?

Oh, and Sharia law does not apply to non-Muslims.

[Agretalien]

Your argument only holds water if equality is deserved: yes atheists gun for everybody but please excuse the need for priority. Don't go getting indignant about me accusing Islam of sub-human behavior; the 'you' was collective. If Muslims do not come out and protest against their own kind despicable behavior then they condone. You are the typical middle of the road apologist who empowers the fanatic. I would bother more but you are just a political fanatic, worse than the violent bigot.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

How funny you are. Equality has to be deserved? Who else apart from Muslims do not 'deserve' equality? And why are you talking about me only as part of a 'collective' of Muslims? do you talk about black people collectively? Are they all responsible for each others crime?

Regarding coming out and protesting against terrorism, see my video entitled "Muslims denounce terrorism" and then come back and talk to me about it. That video alone proves I don't empower fanatics, how about you?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

And you still didn't address my other points... There appears to be only one facet to your argument which is that people must "deserve" equality before it is given and that Muslims as a collective don't deserve equality, I think Hitler also played that tune when he was exterminating Jews.

You have failed to address the other points that I mention, but thats OK. I think it was Voltaire who said we are all victims of those who think they are right.

[Darwinsgift]

Totally agree! All religious law should be given the same contempt!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Huh? What about Christians getting married in church? Should that be held in contempt?

[Darwinsgift]

Fine by me!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

OK. So I take it you would be happy to ban church marriages? Perhaps you should start a petition on the Number 10. website asking the Prime Minister to outlaw church weddings?

[Darwinsgift]

I hold church weddings with contempt but they do not hurt anyone so why bother about them. However religion itself has no meaning except control and that does not have a right to not be offended! I would like to see no special privelages given to religion yet I have nothing against those who are indoctrinated into it! Showing the weakness of the warped concept of a god/s is all I do!

[oclandestin]

If you're a practising Muslim then I don't understand how you can be opposed to Shariah law, because you will already be following Shariah law in your daily life, every minute of the day. Shariah law is vast, and the western media representations of it are extremely limited. Shariah law is simply Islamic jurisprudence, which is Islam itself, the guidance on how Muslims live... everything from giving charity, how you eat, what you eat, your marriage ceremony, fasting, Islamic banking... etc.

[oclandestin]

If you're a Muslim, how can you be opposed to the essence of what makes a Muslim? - it's the difference between being a Muslim by name only or a Muslim by how one lives.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

This is insightful, and to be honest, I wasn't thinking about sharia law in this way when I made the video, and part of that I'm sure is the media depiction of what sharia law is, rather than what sharia law *actually* is. I saw a great video from TheNinjaGirl01 (watch?v=U7dxGdzC8tY) which presented this viewpoint to me.

And strange as it is, I'd never thought of it as simply "the guidance on how Muslims live". So in fact, I'm quite familiar with many aspects of Sharia law. Made me think.

[IslamCyclopsWomen]

One of the largest Sharia court networks in the country run by the "Shaira Council Of Britain" advices its followers to grow in strength and then take over this country through "Jihad"...then the 'chopping off of the hands and feet' begins, I think he said.

I'd like to see you address those "shaira phobia" causeing issues rather than telling us that you yourself can't understand Sharia so we non beleivers can never hope to. That just doesn't sound strong enough for me...

[Aamirsaab]

As I said earlier in the comments section, the harsh punishments under sharia law wouldn't be applicable to non-muslims. So even in the highly unlikely event of it ever coming into the UK, you non-muslims would have zero to be concerned about.

The amount of sharia law currently in the UK is what you see when muslims are fasting, going to pray at the masjids, reading the Quran etc. As a legal system, sharia cannot come into the UK, Islamically speaking.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I see. So the Jewish Beth Din 'courts' that have been active in the UK are about domination? And what about the Christian religious law? You know, Christians get married in a church, it is religious law for them, do you think the Christians are out to dominate too? Is Christmas Day a form of domination?

I take the point about abusive marriages, but if there are women in the UK who are unaware of the rights they have, then we need to educate them about it.

[Trusten1984]

We need to make underground cells, an anti islamists movement now !!!!!!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I leave this comment up only to demonstrate the mentality that some BNP members and supporters think it is healthy to cultivate. Trusten1984 has a very revealing friends list and his comment does more damage to them than to me.

[Aamirsaab]

Erm, sharia law cannot come into the UK anyway since at least 2 prerequisites are required: an islamic state, a caliphate.

Since Britain has none of the above mentioned, sharia law CANNOT come into place - so anyone who's shitting bricks over this aspect is seriously ill-informed.

I should also mention that the harsh punishments (under sharia law) are not applicable to non-muslims. So in the unlikely event of it coming to britain, you really have nowt to worry about.

Good day.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

LOL, good points. I was going to make them in the video, but I didn't want to confuse matters.

[Aamirsaab]

It was a team effort - your vid, my comment :D.

[LeeRaldar]

Sharia law is expansionist, Jewish tribunals remain stable for 300 years.

The UK voter already dumbed down at school and forced to learn history from a multicultural, Islamic biased perspective may raise a fuss at initial seemingly innocuos sharia law in Britain, but what happens when almost inevitably muslim activist push for yet more legal binding sharia implementation?

It's almost like people that sell crack to schoolkids, "just try it once, it's cool, it's perfectly safe..."

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Let me get this straight... You seriously think that history in UK schools is taught from an 'Islamic perspective'. How did you reach that conclusion?

What happens when 'Muslim activists' (because Muslim activists are unacceptable?) push for anything? The democratic institutions of the UK will either accept or reject the requests. It's quite a simple concept really, the democratic system, would you want to replace it with something else?

[LeeRaldar]

Because subjects like the holocaust and crusades have been withdrawn from the curiculum and replaced with Islamic teachings.

In one case non muslim children were actually given detentention because the would not rug butt and pray to Allah.

Times - Children disciplined for not praying to allah.

Telegraph - No lessons on holocaust.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Looking into the stories you mentioned, the "lets pray to Allah" teacher was suspended for what she did, seems to me that means what she did was not acceptable, not only that, it was an isolated incident in a single school.

With regards to the holocaust lesson, it seems this initiative is coming from government and teachers, not Muslims. It is hardly fair to blame Muslims for something they have not asked for. The lessons have been fine until now, what changed?

Any more isolated examples?

[LeeRaldar]

Holocaust denial is an idea proposed by members of both the far right and Islamists with anti-zionistic leanings although in some places the boundary between the two is somewhat blurred.

Unfortunatly it is not and isolated concept nomatter at what level it is presented and you certainly don't need me to search the Internet for you to learn about the subject.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Why are you talking about holocaust denial at all?

My point was that it was not Muslims who asked for holocaust lessons not to be taught, but it was in fact school teachers and the government.

Not teaching the holocaust in schools is not the same as 'holocaust denial'. There are many things not taught in UK schools, that does not mean that they are being "denied" at all.

The examples you gave were indeed isolated, and trying to link them to 'holocaust denial' is very disingenuous of you.

[LeeRaldar]

In a month when a virulent Australian holocaust denier was arrested at Heathrow it seems more than a little duplicitous that the Governement should allow lying by ommision in state schools over the same matter.

The Government on one hand pledges to fight radicalization of young muslims while on the other stays quite while history is being changed in favour of a more anti-semitic view.

In contrast nobody ever contests mistreatment of a great many POW by the Japanese during WW2

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I say again, what has this got to do with isolated examples of non-Muslims pushing their own agenda?

If you have a problem with the government, take it up with your local MP instead of pointing the finger at Islam when Muslims were not in fact behind the two original - and very isolated - incidents you mentioned.

I also say that even if the holocaust is not taught in schools that is not the same as 'anti-semitsm' at all, in the same way that not teaching the flute would be 'anti-flute'.

[LeeRaldar]

Even in a media rife with Islamophopbic self censorship there are plenty of examples no doubt as you have an infinite supply of strawmen.

The conflict between the wishes of the majority people in the UK and the governements furtive, back door approach to allowing Sharia law is a fine example.

There is still no sign of Brown hauling himself up on a podium and explaining exactlty wtf is going on yet or attempting to set the people who are actually aware of this legal change minds at rest.

[muslim610]

5 stars for the video. This exposes the double standards of the man his just another typical common muslim hater that knows he will gain support from like minded ppl and make him infamous on youtube. Well done in refuting his vids bro & it shows how much of a coward he is for not having any debates, i guess his worried about losing his little following. I would pay money to see you debate this clown! Your videos are always educational, keep it up bro.

[AntiChrist67]

Muslims suck ass !!!

[Saaduk92]

'Muslims suck ass !!!'

Hey, look. The clown's here. I didn't know we arranged for entertainment.

[Saaduk92]

Keep up the good work. It's great watching Pat's points get debunked so amazingly, and as usual, he'll ignore it simply because he knows he's been proven wrong...again. =)

[Afraofsheffield]

Pat refusing a debate ? I would love to see his arse being kicked by you ;) so C'mon Patty boy: we're waiting ...don't worry ,you'll still have your beer, don't tell us that you suffer some sort of "mental illness " or what I would like to call "Sharia Phobia" XD

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Thanks for your support. I suspect he will move on to his next subject after building momentum on this storm in a teacup... Still, I'd be interested to see what he thinks of this video.

[GuyInvincible111]

Good points. I would say that the British legal system, as male centred as it is, is still much kinder to women than sharia courts. Please see this video on Nigerian sharia courts and give me your opinion.

watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw&NR=1

Jews have their own courts but they are not an expanding, proselytising religion. Further to this, most Jews have internalised the principle of one law for all and use British courts to settle disputes.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Thank you for your comments. As I mentioned, Sharia is hazy fog to me, I am not in a position to comment on Nigerian Sharia courts.

I would argue that the existing Male centred UK court system can be too kind to women when it comes to custody of children, for instance. There is a reason that the group 'Fathers 4 Justice' exists.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

With regards to the Jewish religion not 'expanding', the London Beth Din is is responsible for the vast majority of Orthodox conversions carried out in the United Kingdom.

Why does the Beth Din exist if not to provide dispute resolution from a religious standpoint?

If you are an Atheist you should be against all religious Arbitration Tribunals, or you are a hypocrite. I fail to see that there is a middle ground that some religious arbitration is OK, and some other religious arbitration isn't.

[franky225]

Hi there, Thanks for the info. I was aware of most of it anyway and wanted to say,as an Athiest I am oposed to ALL religion meddling in government,law and schools etc.

I understand sharia law will not be allowed to trump UK law and can only be imposed if "parellel" to UK law. But if this is true,it still begs the question. why would muslims in UK need it? Are UK laws not sufficient.

[franky225]

oops! I forgot, A quote from the Times "Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of smaller criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them."

I just wanted your thoughts on that.

PS: I hope my comments come accross as respectful.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I don't know about criminal cases. I fail to see how any Arbitration Tribunal - religious or not - should adjudicate in a UK criminal case. I should have thought that in such cases UK law is 'absolute'. Having said that, if both parties agree to Arbitration, to what extent are courts required to give that arbitration a chance? I suppose if both parties feel that justice has been meted out to them, there is a case for it, but this implies that both parties are fully aware of Sharia law.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I guess when it comes to things like divorce and inheritance, some Muslims prefer Sharia. I would hope that Muslim women entering into Sharia arbitration do so fully aware of the implications of what they are doing.

[Aamirsaab]

Erm, you're ill informed in regards to sharia law. Since however sharia law is such a big topic, you can pm me any questions you have on the matter and I'll explain them to you (as best I can). Compared to your average joe, I know a lot about sharia law. So yea, any questions, feel free to pm me. You seem to have common sense, so that's enough for me! :D