Its very quiet but then its probably running light. I had to drive a similar sort of engine about forty years ago and it was hard work. First the 5 ton flywheel had to be barred-around to the starting position. Next a semi-rotary hand pump had to be worked until 4psi had been registered for ten seconds (pumping up the oilways so the bearings weren't dry).Only then could the air be applied. The noise from 750BHP at 300rpm was shattering but it was a rough job with the engines set on concrete.
@Norwaytractor Lots of steel and the few cycles (rpm) that the engine does, does not create a lot of noise to the camera, but I would be surprised when you could not feel the thing through the ground :D
@Norwaytractor your three pot perkins at tick over is probably this thing at full throttle, i know i have a 35x so you cant get much closer than that to a perkins A3.152
Visit the Rochelle IL Electric Plant, they have nine engines, from navy ships. A couple from submarines. Front one visable most of the time though the front door is about 120 feet long and 25/30 high. Start the same way, watched air pressure crank it up to speed and then introduce Natural Gas rather that oil. Cleaner and cheaper. Rochelle IL Railfan Park across the street.
@lugeeman Torque X RPM = Horsepower.....same for ANY engine. Lotsa RPM and little torque will produce the same horsepower as lotsa torque and little RPM. (as is the case for the engine shown)
low rpm means that when u calculate bhp its low, also HP in them times related to capacity often not measurments of torque and rpm (bhp = torque x rpm / constant).
I would have thought that even in 1942 they could make an engine capable of 350 hp that would require less fuel per unit energy than this guy... but it probably would not have been able to do it
There are SIX of these Fairbanks Morris engines in a little Wisconsin town called Symco. They run them the end of July and second full weekend in Aug.
In 1979 I helped tear one of these down. Everything on it was heavy. Before we tore it down we filled the air tanks up and filled the fuel tank. We started it one last time then disassembled it. It used to be the towns generator plant. Cozad, NE. Man that thing was noisey.
Okay, that's all very nice, but I saw absolutely nothing about "how to start" this engine. Over the years, I've seen many engine running, but was obviously hoping for a bit more from a video which purports to offer that.
Fairbanks Morse! As American as Studebaker, Defoe Shipyards, Collins Radio, Foster Wheeler, Smith and Wesson, TRW (Thompson Ramo Wooldridge ), Union Switch and Signal, Consolidated Aircraft, and DeSoto. These were great names in American industry.
Still not a lot really for its size but its old I suppose. The ones I work on produce about 17000 hp, no idea how much torque but its a lot. Search Sulzer ZAV40
Nice engine - We have one just like it in Shelbina, MO in an engine house with one 6 cylinder, three 4 cyliners and one twin. Macon, MO was kind enough to donate instead of scrapping them when they were retired about 10 years ago. Nice to see others keeping the monsters alive.
@chakathewolf I'm guessing on this engine, along with almost all car engines, it gets lubricated by the help of an oil pump and the oil galleys in the crank and throught the block.
Torque is bit of a misnomer. KW (power) is a sum of rotation speed and torque. If torque was to remain the same throughout the speed range of the engine, the higher the RPM, the more power. What the ratio is, I don't know. A 100000 HP slow speed revs at 100RPM full power. A gas turbine with the same power, the inner spool spins around 14000RPM. The bottom line is they move the same mass at the same speed.
Great site. We had four Fairbanks, generators at Totsuka, Radio Station, Japan that looked something like these one's I think ours were older and had the thick, clear plastic on the crankcase's. Then you can watch it go roundy, roundy, round. In those days I was also skinny enough, I could squeeze between the cylinders.
Very nice and seems quiet but I didn't see anyone slaving with a semi-rotary hand pump to get the oil to the bearings before starting. I have driven English Electric 750 BHP 300 rpm diesels similar to this. They'd generate 500KVA but the noise and vibration was brutal - no luxury of cork mats just concrete bases as it was a WW2 job. Barring round to the start position was also hard work owing to the 6 ton crank and 4 ton flywheel, HEAVY! Air bottles were scary - 300 psi & huge!
Very nice and seems quiet but I didn't see anyone slaving with a semi-rotary hand pump to get the oil to the bearings before starting. I have driven English Electric 750 BHP 300 rpm diesels similar to this. They'd generate 500KVA but the noise and vibration was brutal - no luxury of cork mats just concrete bases as it was a WW2 job. Barring round to the start position was also hard work owing to the 6 ton crank and 4 ton flywheel, HEAVY!
in 1911, sulzer was the company to put a 4 stroke, compress ignition crosshead engine on a ocean going ship named selandia, that ship, however was lacked boiler on that time, the front mast was acted as exhaust funnel, it was powered by 2x 8 cylinder with twin screw arrangement with the power output of 1050 bhp at 140 rpm.
@Squarerig most of the early diesel were air blast injector. in most case, preheat is not needed except cold start, this is the characteristic of a diesel
@josephtan1818 preheat is needed on all condition in order to start a hot bulb engine using blow lamp, diesel on other hand use high pressure air to start, glow plug is only used to preheat during cold start, hope this help
That's how an engine should be built.Is this diesel blast injection or solid?I ask -due to the sight of the compressed air bottles on the right.Are they for starting only?If they are then my question is answered.
at 300 rpm you would need a 1:6 gear ratio to produce 1800 rpm which you need for a 60 hz cycle on a 4 pole stator, 1:12 for a 2 pole so just think of it as 350hp x6 for making power!
it is amazing how many people dont understand torque vs horsepower. they are two completly different calculated numbers. most people only know what they read or get told by someone else that dont REALY know,,,,,,
Very cool video. I get a big kick out of all the arguments that start about horsepower and torque and how one is better or one means nothing. What most people don't realize is that horsepower is a fabricated value. You can't measure it physically. You can only calculate it from measured torque and RPM, or another value such as watts. This explains why these low RPM engines have a low horsepower rating but make 3 or 4 thousand foot pounds of torque, or actual twisting ability. Oh well.
@Chebyrice78 HP is a fabricated value? Where on Earth did you learn that? HP is a calculated value, not fabricated. Torque can also be calculated from HP. With an inertia dyno, HP is measured directly, then torque is calculated from the HP value.
An engine of a certain power rating will have the ability to perform the same amount of work as any other engine with the same power rating, regardless of the torque rating. So, any 350 hp engine could do the exact amount of work that this engine can.
@idontcare80 My apologies for using the wrong word. Calculated is a far better word. This changes the meaning to make it sound correct. The funny thing is, I actually used the correct wording later in the comment. I am going to have to check into this inertia dyno. Never seen or used one. Always good to learn something new.
lol @ comments. Real HP, as opposed to fake HP? Power is power, rating systems might differ slightly, but it all amounts to generally the same thing.
Torque doesn't mean jack shit. The only thing torque tells you is at what speed an engine makes its power, more torque = power at lower rpm, that's it. Any 350 hp engine could make the exact same amount of torque as this engine with the proper gearing.
@ffmedic4u What's the difference? When an engineer is sizing an engine for a certain application they don't pay any attention at all to what the "flywheel" torque rating is, just power output.
it might only have 350 hp but remember the technology back in the day wasnt great, etc they had motorcycles with v twin 2hp engines, that were like 1000cc, any way the big engine probably has enough torque to give you one HELLUVA nipple cripple
Guys, Hp=Torque in ft/lbXRpm divided by 5252; so this engine(according to the sign above it) is rated 350 Hp@ 300 Rpm. Solving for Torque=6127.33 ft/lbs.
@85SuzukiMadura The Top Fueler you allude to if it turns 7500 Rpm is generating about 5252 ft/lbs of torque AT 7500 Rpm in order to make that 7500 Hp. Of course the max torque is higher than that but at a lower Rpm. Hope thi helps.
@railnwings Sorry for the duplicate posting... CONTINUATION! How fast (that circulation motion can accelerate) say from a detroit diesel 60 series engine from 1200 RPM to 2100 RPM's. I drive a 2009 Freightliner and this engine is rated at 1350 RPM's at 1650 ft/lbs of torque. It is also rated at 515 HP at 2100 RPM's or 455 HP at 1850 RPM if company derated to increase engine life. If hauling heavy loads on long climbs its best to stay.... TO BE CONTINUED / SEE MY LAST COMMENT
@railnwings LAST CONTINUATION! To stay with a slightly higher RPM then MAX torque value to maintain your road speed. Big trucks don't need to accelerate quickly but to maintain their speed when climbing hills. Now TOP FUEL funny cars burning alcohol don't need to "pull" a lot of weight so they don't have much torque but they have 7,500 + HP to get them down the track faster than their competition... (Hopefully!) So their torques are down around less than 800 ft/lb value. TRUCKER BILL :)
@r8wing The number you have to look at is torque not horsepower. Horsepower is a calculation based on torque at a certain RPM. The higher the RPM the torque is made at the higher the horsepower. Considering this engine only ran at 300 RPM as compared to a Honda engine that would run up to say 6500 RPM the horsepower number will definitely be low. I would bet the torque numbers are at least 4 digits.
@r8wing You have to consider, Horsepower is a function of RPM. The slower an engine turns, the lower the "horsepower," so a 700 RPM engine has 1/5 the horsepower of a 3,500 RPM engine. For diesels and steam, torque is the more important measure.
@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. (How fast can that engine accerelate for say --- To be continued
@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. (How fast can that engine accerelate for say --- To be continued
@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. To be continued...
OK, I got the idea, but still... This engine was used for electricity generation, so how relevant can torque be here? 350HP is about 250kW of electric power produced, and this may seem a little low for such a big machine. The real explanation may reside in the fact that only a big engine can run continuously and reliably for decades without the need to be stopped for maintenance. It probably doesn't need cooling either, its sheer mass acting as an effective heat sink.
And there is also the problem of fuel used. I bet it burns some kind of heavy fuel oil instead of the ordinary diesel used in trucks. Bunker fuel is cheaper and available in larger quantity than more refined diesel or gasoline.
@r8wing During the first years of its life, 250kW of electricity was a lot. Back in the 40s there were no TVs, no electric hair dryers, no electric heat (most everything was either coal or oil fired).
@r8wing dont judge a diesel by horsepower. torque is a diesel engine's specialty. this gargantual plrobably has 999999999999999999999999999999ftlbs of torque lol.
@r8wing Horsepower is just a calculation based on Torque and RPM. HP=(Torque*RPM)/5252. Since this engine is low rpm, probably 300 or so, it would have a tremdous amount of torque.
@r8wing Horsepower is time/work dude, it has a low RPM so it wont do a lot of work.. Torque on the other hand, I am curious to know... Probably somwhere in the realm of 3 or 4 thousand foot lbs.
@r8wing But it does it at a very low RPM. It's not because they couldn't get any more horsepower, it's mostly because it was designed that way. Lower RPM = less stress on the parts = lower maintenance and less chance of failure.
@r8wing a larger engine does not mean more horse power, generally speaking very large displacement engines do not produce a lot of horse power, however the do produce massive amounts of torque.
It's not the horsepower that gives a true impression of the engine's capabilities, it's the turning momentum. This engine has a huge stroke. For example, a 360 hp car engine would stall if it's transmission shaft would not be allowed to turn. Hook this Fairbanks up with the transmission and it would crush the transmission without losing one single revolution, because the stroke is way longer than any automobile engine(internal combustion).
Its very quiet but then its probably running light. I had to drive a similar sort of engine about forty years ago and it was hard work. First the 5 ton flywheel had to be barred-around to the starting position. Next a semi-rotary hand pump had to be worked until 4psi had been registered for ten seconds (pumping up the oilways so the bearings weren't dry).Only then could the air be applied. The noise from 750BHP at 300rpm was shattering but it was a rough job with the engines set on concrete.
techdavey1000 4 hours ago
looks like a big washing maching
chubbychaser5 2 days ago
i would hand crank it
martinsteele05 6 days ago
This engine once used in a small toy train belonging to Chuck Norris.
madisonelectronic 1 week ago
That tiny voice in your head that says "Go ahead, stick your hand into the plexiglass." o.0
newportcity32 1 month ago
U can't put this in ur civic but u can put ur civic in it im pretty sure Lol
ldb620dj 1 month ago
engine noise= MUSIC
walkandlookup 1 month ago
I see a generator coil. How many watts is it pushing? I like the window in the crankcase.
coondogtheman1234 1 month ago
Id hate to be anywhere near that thing if it threw a rod!
robbsam81 1 month ago
A engine that big....make that little noise....my 3.syl perkins engine make more noise than that ;)
Norwaytractor 2 months ago
@Norwaytractor Lots of steel and the few cycles (rpm) that the engine does, does not create a lot of noise to the camera, but I would be surprised when you could not feel the thing through the ground :D
oBseSsIoNPC 1 month ago
@Norwaytractor your three pot perkins at tick over is probably this thing at full throttle, i know i have a 35x so you cant get much closer than that to a perkins A3.152
macthetrac 2 days ago
LOOKS JUST LIKE THE WHITE PINE SHOW
1xsooliner 2 months ago
can i put this in my civic
hittman561 2 months ago
350 hp hmmmmmmmm what the torke ?
uhfnutbar1 2 months ago
375 KW
railnwings 2 months ago
how many kw did this engine generate?
cumminsturbofan101 2 months ago
I live about one mile from this and actually go there every year lol =]
ManMetalMusic 2 months ago
@jgmagoo1 Horsepower is NOT torque X rpm... The definition of 1hp is the amount of power needed to:
Lift 550 pounds one foot in one second, in a vacuum against earths gravitational pull at sea level.
I'm not actually smart, I just thought what you said didn't sound right so I looked it up :P
Randomizers25 2 months ago
Nice to hear from someone who actually saw these as a kid.
railnwings 2 months ago
Way back when I was a kid I worked as a swamper at an oil refinery.
They had a couple of these monsters.
I am not sure what they were used for but they did not run 24/7 like the rest of the engines at the plant.
On the days when they started them I would sneak off and go watch.
I can't remember if anyone ever told me what they did, or if I even asked.
I suppose that it was to move some heavy fluid product but that is more guess than know.
Long process on cold days.
I pitied the engine wallas.
hammerogod 2 months ago
I dont think that little fire extinguisher will be enough if it catches fire
jonwilly2 2 months ago
Engineering wonder
rickr33 2 months ago
Visit the Rochelle IL Electric Plant, they have nine engines, from navy ships. A couple from submarines. Front one visable most of the time though the front door is about 120 feet long and 25/30 high. Start the same way, watched air pressure crank it up to speed and then introduce Natural Gas rather that oil. Cleaner and cheaper. Rochelle IL Railfan Park across the street.
ThePostal67 2 months ago
350 hp? That's it!?!?
lugeeman 2 months ago
@lugeeman The amount of torque would be insane though
Rotoziptheman 2 months ago
@lugeeman Torque X RPM = Horsepower.....same for ANY engine. Lotsa RPM and little torque will produce the same horsepower as lotsa torque and little RPM. (as is the case for the engine shown)
Engine longevity is a whole nother subject!
jgmagoo1 2 months ago
@lugeeman
low rpm means that when u calculate bhp its low, also HP in them times related to capacity often not measurments of torque and rpm (bhp = torque x rpm / constant).
tpvalley 2 months ago
really quiet for a motor in this size...
schoggi555 3 months ago
Beautiful engineering and running sweetly but that crank is scary, the kinetic energy in that engine is enormous.
HughMcVea 3 months ago
nice
PLNiedzwiedz 3 months ago
I want to see it up around 10,000 rpm. THEN you'd have something.
thedreamliner2012 3 months ago
nice sounding motor cool technology for its time
tinderinc 3 months ago
350hp at 300rpm on 215L of displacement...over 6000ft lb of torque
hsvkidusa 3 months ago
Fairbanks Morse built some very good engines. Just look at the locomotive engines they made. Those things were beasts!
darkyoda 3 months ago
The guy starting the engine really looks like my grandfather, who co-incidentally, works on diesel generators in power-stations O_o
zedextreme8177 3 months ago
I would have thought that even in 1942 they could make an engine capable of 350 hp that would require less fuel per unit energy than this guy... but it probably would not have been able to do it
for 43 years straight haha
grenade350 3 months ago
1. thats a lot of RTV on that window. is that like a whole tube? 2. i'd hate to see it throw a rod.
jsesTM 3 months ago
Those huge diesel engines are always so quiet.
AtheistFinn 4 months ago
Is it Time Machine?
AtheistFinn 4 months ago
13,084ci 350 hp nice fuel money well spent
196237004 4 months ago
this isn't a how-to-start video, this is a 'watch me as I do the final step of starting it' video
montey1017 4 months ago
Air is used.. Steam condenses in a cold cylinder and turns into water. Water does not compress well so the engine could be badly damaged.
railnwings 4 months ago 3
Such a beautifull sound, I could fall asleep to that.
BarneySaysHi 4 months ago
There are SIX of these Fairbanks Morris engines in a little Wisconsin town called Symco. They run them the end of July and second full weekend in Aug.
mrosenow1 4 months ago
@mrosenow1
symcoshakedown. com or symcoutc. com
mrosenow1 4 months ago
In 1979 I helped tear one of these down. Everything on it was heavy. Before we tore it down we filled the air tanks up and filled the fuel tank. We started it one last time then disassembled it. It used to be the towns generator plant. Cozad, NE. Man that thing was noisey.
bubbasoneddy1 4 months ago
Give the old girl a little red line for a good time!
THOMASOAKMAN 4 months ago
This sounds much better than VW's 1.9TDI.
OhFishyFish 4 months ago
@OhFishyFish LOL
notguano 4 months ago
This is cool!
dhermosillo09 4 months ago
Okay, that's all very nice, but I saw absolutely nothing about "how to start" this engine. Over the years, I've seen many engine running, but was obviously hoping for a bit more from a video which purports to offer that.
stewartx5 5 months ago 16
@stewartx5
railnwings 1. Open Fuel valve. 2. Open air valve 3. When engine speeds up, close air valve.
railnwings 5 months ago 11
@railnwings Oh so do they used compressed air to start it back than? or steam
28kingIV 4 months ago
@stewartx5
men running about a whooshing sound doent explain it enough? lol.
some people rely on telepathy to explain stuff!
Probably why people argue.
Are u like me and rely on accurate descriptions and find most only half explain relying on us to guess the explaination?
thats part of the autistic spectrum that effects us all, I used to get mocked all the time as a kid because my friends were dumb!
now I know its them not me!
tpvalley 2 months ago
Nice 1 guys... cool engine.
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 5 months ago
American Locomotive Co., Baldwin, Case, Kaiser Steel, The list goes on. Who's the survivors?
flyingmerkel6 5 months ago
Fairbanks Morse! As American as Studebaker, Defoe Shipyards, Collins Radio, Foster Wheeler, Smith and Wesson, TRW (Thompson Ramo Wooldridge ), Union Switch and Signal, Consolidated Aircraft, and DeSoto. These were great names in American industry.
catman351 5 months ago
I want to see this thing turbo charched!
SuperElbastardo 5 months ago
absolutely cool to see the rods rotating
derneuschooer 5 months ago
no its not from a train, its a Genset.
Horsesavy 5 months ago
that would suck if it threw a piston :)
austinbrock112 5 months ago
Looked a little short of 60Hz. Imagine the connecting rod coming through that plexi glass.
Oldsmob455 6 months ago
I got one of these in my 88' pick up !
TheToolShopDude 6 months ago
from a train?
xxnissansilviaxx 6 months ago
@xxnissansilviaxx no its a stationary engine
JohnDeere30201 5 months ago
i somehow went from watching venus fly traps to watching this...
masterquadbiker 6 months ago 2
@masterquadbiker funny how that happens aint it..lol
20cricket09 5 months ago
what a beauty..
somethinextra 6 months ago
That's awesome!
JohannS2969 6 months ago
Its amazing how smooth is sounds...
ehvee1 6 months ago
350 horse? that it? Must be an old engine. Love how the governor is in a perspex box though. Very cool!
lampost1 7 months ago
@lampost1 prolly has over 5000ft pds of torque.
dwmcdaniel13 6 months ago
@dwmcdaniel13
Still not a lot really for its size but its old I suppose. The ones I work on produce about 17000 hp, no idea how much torque but its a lot. Search Sulzer ZAV40
lampost1 6 months ago
Nice sound.
Tango1nz 7 months ago
Can u put it on dyno ? :D
Ohhh wait..i mean can u put dyno on it xD
theCROfna 7 months ago
Nice engine - We have one just like it in Shelbina, MO in an engine house with one 6 cylinder, three 4 cyliners and one twin. Macon, MO was kind enough to donate instead of scrapping them when they were retired about 10 years ago. Nice to see others keeping the monsters alive.
missouriboredom 7 months ago
Back when men were men...
DeLorean4 7 months ago
@jaydizzay doesnt need v-tech already has 6,000 foot pounds of tourqe
waynebaize 7 months ago
Is it economical?
TheJorens 7 months ago
@TheJorens Who cares? It's awesome.
Zoidberg227 6 months ago
If i hade been in the public i would have reach in, grab the flywheel with one hand and stop it within 2 sec.
dtiydr 7 months ago
@dtiydr I would pay to see that!
UpcomingJedi 7 months ago
@UpcomingJedi So would i.
dtiydr 7 months ago
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Fascinating to be able to watch the cranks turning.
is1943 7 months ago
What a beast! I love it.
kimmer6 7 months ago
try to fit that in ur civic ricers
OpticGoat2120 7 months ago
@OpticGoat2120 Yes, typical of american car r*i*cers, that run with engines bigger than their own cars... :P
Thunderwaff 7 months ago
This is a solid direct-injection diesel engine- F-M was the first to produce a pump which could provide enough injection pressure to do this.
douro20 8 months ago
ain't got VTEC though...
jaydizzay 8 months ago
that's great
pongodunga 8 months ago
she sounds real nice.
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 8 months ago
That con rod isn't slinging oil on the window. How is the lower end lubricated?
chakathewolf 9 months ago
@chakathewolf I'm guessing on this engine, along with almost all car engines, it gets lubricated by the help of an oil pump and the oil galleys in the crank and throught the block.
619426 8 months ago
200 psi
kush997 9 months ago
Can i get one for my golf ??
pjtx200 9 months ago
Torque is bit of a misnomer. KW (power) is a sum of rotation speed and torque. If torque was to remain the same throughout the speed range of the engine, the higher the RPM, the more power. What the ratio is, I don't know. A 100000 HP slow speed revs at 100RPM full power. A gas turbine with the same power, the inner spool spins around 14000RPM. The bottom line is they move the same mass at the same speed.
nndorconnetnz 9 months ago
Nowthen, MN North of Minneapolis.
railnwings 9 months ago
@railnwings where in nowthen?
buttdud1122 8 months ago
@buttdud1122 North of Minneapolis, MN
railnwings 8 months ago
@buttdud1122 north of st. paul
heresyournametagmark 5 months ago
WERE IS THIS AT?
1xsooliner 9 months ago
I think a better use for this engine is to tie a rope to it and use it as a boat anchor.
IBLOWN 9 months ago
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panusjr 9 months ago
@panusjr Sorry, didn't realize you were also a collector of boat anchors. Sorry.
IBLOWN 9 months ago
Its quiet!? Neet.
droid873 10 months ago
what a beast!
om3gadagg3r 10 months ago
Calculated torque @300 rpm would be 6127.33 ft lbs!
roadstarman58 10 months ago
Governor
railnwings 10 months ago
0:45 what is that?
GOUGH1918 10 months ago
@GOUGH1918 That is a governor to maintain a constant RPM.
mcsew2k 10 months ago
Great site. We had four Fairbanks, generators at Totsuka, Radio Station, Japan that looked something like these one's I think ours were older and had the thick, clear plastic on the crankcase's. Then you can watch it go roundy, roundy, round. In those days I was also skinny enough, I could squeeze between the cylinders.
Gator Sailor
bubbabuddy2 10 months ago
engines are the most beautiful things in the world, after women.
telhacerta 10 months ago
für mich so ziemlich der beste motor in dieser kategorie. schön leise und doch kräftig, so muss es sein!
grenzdebiler1 11 months ago
Very nice and seems quiet but I didn't see anyone slaving with a semi-rotary hand pump to get the oil to the bearings before starting. I have driven English Electric 750 BHP 300 rpm diesels similar to this. They'd generate 500KVA but the noise and vibration was brutal - no luxury of cork mats just concrete bases as it was a WW2 job. Barring round to the start position was also hard work owing to the 6 ton crank and 4 ton flywheel, HEAVY! Air bottles were scary - 300 psi & huge!
techdavey1000 11 months ago
Very nice and seems quiet but I didn't see anyone slaving with a semi-rotary hand pump to get the oil to the bearings before starting. I have driven English Electric 750 BHP 300 rpm diesels similar to this. They'd generate 500KVA but the noise and vibration was brutal - no luxury of cork mats just concrete bases as it was a WW2 job. Barring round to the start position was also hard work owing to the 6 ton crank and 4 ton flywheel, HEAVY!
techdavey1000 11 months ago
wow gotta be some strong plexiglass to hold back all the pressure from the piston
yamy82xl 11 months ago
58rpm?
I'd think it'd make more sense to run it around 200-300.
God I miss the good old days. When American industry was actually IN AMERICA.
redreaper2020 11 months ago
these machines can run non-stop for 100 years
aleu650 11 months ago
in 1911, sulzer was the company to put a 4 stroke, compress ignition crosshead engine on a ocean going ship named selandia, that ship, however was lacked boiler on that time, the front mast was acted as exhaust funnel, it was powered by 2x 8 cylinder with twin screw arrangement with the power output of 1050 bhp at 140 rpm.
@Squarerig most of the early diesel were air blast injector. in most case, preheat is not needed except cold start, this is the characteristic of a diesel
josephtan1818 1 year ago
@josephtan1818 preheat is needed on all condition in order to start a hot bulb engine using blow lamp, diesel on other hand use high pressure air to start, glow plug is only used to preheat during cold start, hope this help
josephtan1818 1 year ago
The tanks hold compressed air used to start the engine.
railnwings 1 year ago
That's how an engine should be built.Is this diesel blast injection or solid?I ask -due to the sight of the compressed air bottles on the right.Are they for starting only?If they are then my question is answered.
Squarerig 1 year ago
Can this milk cows?
milackk7 1 year ago
6127.333ft/lbs according to the formula
rodwy 1 year ago
at 300 rpm you would need a 1:6 gear ratio to produce 1800 rpm which you need for a 60 hz cycle on a 4 pole stator, 1:12 for a 2 pole so just think of it as 350hp x6 for making power!
85raminator 1 year ago
i betcha this thing has some kick ass Torque.
fourstar7 1 year ago
it is amazing how many people dont understand torque vs horsepower. they are two completly different calculated numbers. most people only know what they read or get told by someone else that dont REALY know,,,,,,
hugger97z 1 year ago
Very cool video. I get a big kick out of all the arguments that start about horsepower and torque and how one is better or one means nothing. What most people don't realize is that horsepower is a fabricated value. You can't measure it physically. You can only calculate it from measured torque and RPM, or another value such as watts. This explains why these low RPM engines have a low horsepower rating but make 3 or 4 thousand foot pounds of torque, or actual twisting ability. Oh well.
Chebyrice78 1 year ago
@Chebyrice78 HP is a fabricated value? Where on Earth did you learn that? HP is a calculated value, not fabricated. Torque can also be calculated from HP. With an inertia dyno, HP is measured directly, then torque is calculated from the HP value.
An engine of a certain power rating will have the ability to perform the same amount of work as any other engine with the same power rating, regardless of the torque rating. So, any 350 hp engine could do the exact amount of work that this engine can.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 My apologies for using the wrong word. Calculated is a far better word. This changes the meaning to make it sound correct. The funny thing is, I actually used the correct wording later in the comment. I am going to have to check into this inertia dyno. Never seen or used one. Always good to learn something new.
Thanks for the correction.
Chebyrice78 1 year ago
A great American engine!
Hallaran 1 year ago
lol @ comments. Real HP, as opposed to fake HP? Power is power, rating systems might differ slightly, but it all amounts to generally the same thing.
Torque doesn't mean jack shit. The only thing torque tells you is at what speed an engine makes its power, more torque = power at lower rpm, that's it. Any 350 hp engine could make the exact same amount of torque as this engine with the proper gearing.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 but we aren't talking torque @ the flywheel here (where gearing doesn't come into play yet?
ffmedic4u 1 year ago
@ffmedic4u What's the difference? When an engineer is sizing an engine for a certain application they don't pay any attention at all to what the "flywheel" torque rating is, just power output.
idontcare80 1 year ago
it might only have 350 hp but remember the technology back in the day wasnt great, etc they had motorcycles with v twin 2hp engines, that were like 1000cc, any way the big engine probably has enough torque to give you one HELLUVA nipple cripple
xXjulimanXx 1 year ago
Guys, Hp=Torque in ft/lbXRpm divided by 5252; so this engine(according to the sign above it) is rated 350 Hp@ 300 Rpm. Solving for Torque=6127.33 ft/lbs.
@85SuzukiMadura The Top Fueler you allude to if it turns 7500 Rpm is generating about 5252 ft/lbs of torque AT 7500 Rpm in order to make that 7500 Hp. Of course the max torque is higher than that but at a lower Rpm. Hope thi helps.
possum604 1 year ago
Nm = 9549 x kW / rpm. I guess this is a medium speed engine, and does maybe 500rpm. 350hp is 258kw.
so, 9549x258/500 = 4915Nm or 3625lb.foot...
DARThx55 1 year ago
Who care's about H.P. just think about the torque that thing puts out.
Hillbilly8904 1 year ago
if krazykraka777 is right with its 300 rpm and 350 hp then torque is in the region of 6127 lb/ft!
T=hpx5252/rpm
dtr125er 1 year ago
You gotta be kidding at 0:06: all this monster has ONLY 350 HORSEPOWER??!!
r8wing 1 year ago
@r8wing Yes. 350 Real Horsepower
railnwings 1 year ago 19
@railnwings How much torque ????
diegomayan 1 year ago
@railnwings Sorry for the duplicate posting... CONTINUATION! How fast (that circulation motion can accelerate) say from a detroit diesel 60 series engine from 1200 RPM to 2100 RPM's. I drive a 2009 Freightliner and this engine is rated at 1350 RPM's at 1650 ft/lbs of torque. It is also rated at 515 HP at 2100 RPM's or 455 HP at 1850 RPM if company derated to increase engine life. If hauling heavy loads on long climbs its best to stay.... TO BE CONTINUED / SEE MY LAST COMMENT
85SuzukiMadura 1 year ago
@railnwings LAST CONTINUATION! To stay with a slightly higher RPM then MAX torque value to maintain your road speed. Big trucks don't need to accelerate quickly but to maintain their speed when climbing hills. Now TOP FUEL funny cars burning alcohol don't need to "pull" a lot of weight so they don't have much torque but they have 7,500 + HP to get them down the track faster than their competition... (Hopefully!) So their torques are down around less than 800 ft/lb value. TRUCKER BILL :)
85SuzukiMadura 1 year ago
@railnwings wtf is "real horsepower" lol? 350 real horses would tear this to bits...
samus989 1 year ago
@railnwings What defines "REAl" horsepower ? Are you referring to a different rating system than is currently used ?
CMI1986X64 1 year ago
@railnwings and a hell of a torque i guess.
dtiydr 1 year ago
@railnwings and prob 7,000ft-lbs of torque.
ericmck2000 1 year ago
@railnwings Yea but they don't list the torque and I bet this thing puts out probably 1,000 - 2,000 ft lbs of torque.
scfd524 11 months ago
@railnwings and I bet it has much more torque
dsummers2006 10 months ago
@railnwings ya 350hp, but how much torque? probly a bunch right lol
ESQwarrior 10 months ago
@r8wing The number you have to look at is torque not horsepower. Horsepower is a calculation based on torque at a certain RPM. The higher the RPM the torque is made at the higher the horsepower. Considering this engine only ran at 300 RPM as compared to a Honda engine that would run up to say 6500 RPM the horsepower number will definitely be low. I would bet the torque numbers are at least 4 digits.
krazykraka777 1 year ago
@krazykraka777
Thanks for the explanation, I knew I was missing something!:)
r8wing 1 year ago
@r8wing but think of the torque
hock3yplaya7 1 year ago
@r8wing Do you have any idea how much torque though?
frosty9595 1 year ago
@r8wing You have to consider, Horsepower is a function of RPM. The slower an engine turns, the lower the "horsepower," so a 700 RPM engine has 1/5 the horsepower of a 3,500 RPM engine. For diesels and steam, torque is the more important measure.
artgoat 1 year ago
@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. (How fast can that engine accerelate for say --- To be continued
85SuzukiMadura 1 year ago
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@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. (How fast can that engine accerelate for say --- To be continued
85SuzukiMadura 1 year ago
@r8wing First response r8wing! I've been a diesel "nut" for a while and have been a truck driver for a "while". "Horsepower" is not a critical as is "torque" in diesels. "Torque" as in torque wrench when tightening a nut is the twisting action of a crankshaft to maintain speed of a circulating motion. "Horsepower" is the ability of that circulating motion to "accelerate" under a given torque value in a specific time period. To be continued...
85SuzukiMadura 1 year ago
@r8wing Horsepower means nothing. This brute is all about torque!
Kntryhart 1 year ago
@Kntryhart
OK, I got the idea, but still... This engine was used for electricity generation, so how relevant can torque be here? 350HP is about 250kW of electric power produced, and this may seem a little low for such a big machine. The real explanation may reside in the fact that only a big engine can run continuously and reliably for decades without the need to be stopped for maintenance. It probably doesn't need cooling either, its sheer mass acting as an effective heat sink.
r8wing 1 year ago 13
@r8wing
And there is also the problem of fuel used. I bet it burns some kind of heavy fuel oil instead of the ordinary diesel used in trucks. Bunker fuel is cheaper and available in larger quantity than more refined diesel or gasoline.
r8wing 1 year ago
@r8wing Oh it will need cooling all right. It wont be 50% efficient so 250Kw of heat needs to be removed somehow :)
piratefredi 10 months ago
@r8wing During the first years of its life, 250kW of electricity was a lot. Back in the 40s there were no TVs, no electric hair dryers, no electric heat (most everything was either coal or oil fired).
xXning3nXx 9 months ago
@r8wing dont judge a diesel by horsepower. torque is a diesel engine's specialty. this gargantual plrobably has 999999999999999999999999999999ftlbs of torque lol.
Bamchucknorris 1 year ago
@r8wing Ok 350 hp. But how much torque? About a million ft/lb? (or, is lb/ft? I always forget?)
jamesbulldogmiller 1 year ago
@r8wing Horsepower is just a calculation based on Torque and RPM. HP=(Torque*RPM)/5252. Since this engine is low rpm, probably 300 or so, it would have a tremdous amount of torque.
mgman71 1 year ago
@r8wing Horsepower is time/work dude, it has a low RPM so it wont do a lot of work.. Torque on the other hand, I am curious to know... Probably somwhere in the realm of 3 or 4 thousand foot lbs.
samus989 1 year ago
@r8wing The TQ would be monstrous..
AceofSpadesau 1 year ago
@r8wing But it does it at a very low RPM. It's not because they couldn't get any more horsepower, it's mostly because it was designed that way. Lower RPM = less stress on the parts = lower maintenance and less chance of failure.
salemcripple 1 year ago
@r8wing This engine have torque to pull your house.
2jzgtejza80 1 year ago
@r8wing but can kick a 3000 hp gas engines ass in taoruq
TractorJohn123 1 year ago
@r8wing 350 hp but think of the massive torque this thing makes! lol
happeypigfarts 1 year ago
@r8wing a larger engine does not mean more horse power, generally speaking very large displacement engines do not produce a lot of horse power, however the do produce massive amounts of torque.
itsgr82bl8 1 year ago
@r8wing
350 hp but has the torque to shift the moon.
chevy82250 1 year ago
@r8wing
but it probably makes thats 350hp at an extremely low rpm, so its probably like 4 or 5k lb ft or torque lol
EasternAggie 1 year ago
@r8wing horsepower means nothing to these units, its all about the torque baby
Rainhill1829 1 year ago
@r8wing
It's not the horsepower that gives a true impression of the engine's capabilities, it's the turning momentum. This engine has a huge stroke. For example, a 360 hp car engine would stall if it's transmission shaft would not be allowed to turn. Hook this Fairbanks up with the transmission and it would crush the transmission without losing one single revolution, because the stroke is way longer than any automobile engine(internal combustion).
bladerizer 1 year ago