Wait a sec, I thought that MK's bread-and-butter was his nigh-unconquerable edge-guarding capabilities?
Who needs powerful hits that can kill easily when all you need to do is practice your Edge-Guarding game till you're excellent at it, then just nudge your opponent off the side just enough so that their third jump can't save them anymore?
All those jumps of his plus a gliding ability. I'm just saying, I've seen some impressive MK edging recently......
@dutchy253Q Ike's recovery is beast, granted you know how to use it. Yoshi can be surprisingly good, but takes practice. Clumsy hands will fail with Yoshi.
i hardly remember posting it. i improved my yoshi alot in this time and hes a decent char to me now. but he doesnt have the "best" recovery in the game you could say.
ike's recovery is good if he needs to go horizontal or vertical but if it has to go diagonnaly then its almost impossible to recover. therefore semi spikes wreck ike
@dutchy253Q Yeah. I guess so. It's funny, I keep forgetting to check the date of replies. I keep forgetting that pressing the remove comment button wont stop the comment from reaching the person's inbox. Oh well.
my favorite character is sonic, but not for any rational reason. i just love sonic games. so i try to make him look good and i really am better with him than with meta-knight or lucario as whom i also play alot. but characters like Olimar, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Peach and Zelda just drive me nuts when i'm sonic. there's something about them that most other characters don't have. i'm gonna go observe that from now on.
@TheJayman213 Yeah, Some characters can counter others. Diddy for instance can counter most top tiers. Perhaps sonic is similar, or maybe you just haven't faught tough Meta Knight's yet.
Um, I already know I'm late to the whole "competitive vs. non-competitive argument," and, um, competitive gaming is fun. Only reason anyone should ever need.
@Ariphilus Well I learned recently that playing with low items brings a sort of different competitive game play that is uniquely challenging. Dodging rockets, grabbing smash orbs, stuff like that brings a challenge that items only bring, granted, setting items to high makes it chaotic and less skillful then with lower, and more attrition items. Basically, If you set the items to low, you have can have a fun, skillful battle. That's right, skill. with items. dont nok it til you try it.
@Aflay1 I most certainly can see that, I actually believe playing with items DOES involve a good amount of skill (you can see some of that with characters who have item-moves, like Peach). I just don't like them, but it's personal taste :P
dayum gimpy... you's like a motivational speaker for smash bros. haha. before i found these audio-only tips of yours i was already motivated alone by watchin your gameplay as (low-tier) bowser. rock the fuck on man!!!
As for the rest of the people who dont care? Dont bother in what they believe in because for example,do you believe that scratching your ass is ok in public? To most its not.
I must say you are pretty ignorant. Playing video games competitively is not a waste of time. It has a huge social scene, requires extensive mental thinking, and is a great stress reliever. Though I do agree that you need to maintain balance in your life. Find ways to exercise, keep good grades, and work on your job/career outside gaming. Because there are some things that video games just can't do for you.
@DarkLouis The "scene" is not has huge as one might think..Sure thousands go to EVO SoCal and such each year,but that number pales in comparison to the sheer 60k+ that attend real sport event arena,or even be remotely compared lol.And if anything,games being played at a high level creates more stress due to the usual money thats at stake.The only mental thinking a game played in this manner in Brawl's case is knowing priority in what move beats what and what character to pick for the situation.
This was really helpful, I really take this advice to heart. It's really helped me foucs on exactly how I should be playing Young Link, not looking at his weakness's caused me to try and push the character to do the impossible. I never thought such a simple piece of advice could go so far, but it's really helped. Thank you very much.
Gimpyfish is right, and competitive players can play casually, they're just good at the game. Tiers don't magically appear once a tourney is started, and even if it's not one it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Especially in Smash (even more so in Melee/Brawl) where there is imbalance abound. Would be nice if they were balanced, but no.
Even in games as balanced as BlazBlue there are tier lists, same as the "corporate ladder".
I just came into this video by accident because I was curious as to what Gimpy had to say on the matter. Your opinion of what is "normal" is what is stupid and subjective. To say that competitive video games is pointless is comparable to saying professional sports are pointless. Sure, making a career out of any hobby (see: soccer, football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc) is a waste of time, outside of the fact that the players get to do what they enjoy and make some $.
I just came into this video by accident because I was curious as to what Gimpy had to say on the matter. Your opinion of what is "normal" is what is stupid and subjective. To say that competitive video games is pointless is comparable to saying professional sports are pointless. Sure, making a career out of any hobby (see: soccer, football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc) is a waste of time, outside of the fact that the players get to do what they enjoy and make some $.
@cloudedreason Tell those players to get signed by the same worldwide sponsors and such and appear on ACTUAL LIVE NATIONAL TELEVISION rather than the internet if its in the same "ballpark".And no,its not comparable to sports lol.Video Game intentional means are to let time pass,in such the mass majority believe that games arent suppose to be played on hours on end everyday of the week hence the reasoning for Brawl taking the simplified step gameplay wise rather than a technical fighter.
@cloudedreason In my honest opinion playing Videogames competitive IS pointless because its pretty much playing under someone else's programming and using it to justify the fact that "I know more framedata than you hand me money please" LOL Troll me as much as you guys like,theres nothing you guys could come up with that explain why REAL professional Sports < Cpu glitched gaming tournaments.VideoGames intent are only again to allow people to play games the way they want to and nothing more..
do you feel good about yourself. did that stupid rant of yours make you feel good. are you done yet? games can be played competitively. just because you don't think so means nothing to everyone else. getting good at a game is no different than at a sport. both require skill and determination. winning a tourney is something to be proud of. and tiers do exist. you don't even understand tiers clearly.
@DiscoRByrno "Also Bowser isn't bad, you're just not good at using him.".
Says DiscoRByrno to one of the best Bowsers in the world.
You are correct that tiers cannot be applied if one is just playing "for fun" (or if one is playing seriously at below peak metagame for that matter). Saying that tiers don't exist however is wishful thinking at best.
thanks SO much dude! after i acepted his weakness, i got WAY better as my best player. Since yoshi technicly doesn't have a 3rd jump, i trained his egg throw jump to give me the boost i needed, and eliminated the weakness
@sundowniseeu Metaknight's weakness it that he is on brawl and that no one gives a shit if you win with him b/c it's expected for him to always win. Therefore, his weakns is the loss of pride and dignity for using him.
@sundowniseeu Yeah, because MK has no weaknesses. He isn't extremely easy to kill, he kills with no problem whatsoever, he doesn't have a piece of shit air release... Not at all.
I know your comment is old, but there are a shitload of people who think like that, which is just wrong.
Mk might be sorta overpowered but he is NOT broken. He does NOT make the game unplayable and he is NOT God Tier.
Hes not god tier? I guess thats why he doesn't have a whole tier of his own. OH WAIT. The asshole has no bad match up's. Only 2 other characters go even with him. The rest of the cast he rapes. He has no trouble tanking hits with his 5 jumps, glides, and oh jee 4 DIFFERENT RECOVERS. He can punish anything out of shield with his ridiculous disjoint, attack speed, and mobile speed. And if he doesn't wanna die, you're gonna get D-air camped hard. I've got another reply btw.
@sundowniseeu No, he is not God Tier. He is S tier. God tier would if there were no way, no matter how skilled, anyone could defeat an MK without using MK (assuming the MK is very good).
Just because he's not even with the rest of the cast he doesn't rape it. He has some very close matchups and very few auto-wins.
He dies at low percent. You can't get around that. His momentum cancel only helps for 15%.
Yeah, because there's no way you can attack through his dairs.
MK has some "close matchups". Yea. That are in his favor. Ha. He becomes 10 times more rape with counter pick in play. he can camp the crap outta anyone on rainbow cruis, brinstar, delfino the list goes on baby.
He dies at low percent but good luck getting that kill move when all his moves are safe on block. oh and his massive disjoint won't let ya in.
D-air camping is incredibly effective because your MAKING THEM APPROACH! Helloooo. it's a yomi set up.
@sundowniseeu I don't think RC should be legal, but you Mk haters are so obsessed with showing how broken he is that you don't see that some transformations on Delfino are flat out bad for MK. And the list doesn't go on. It stops right there.
Yeah, because it's a well-known fact that no one has ever defeated a good MK.
Still, my point was that MK has weaknesses (which is the topic of the video). He has flaws. He is not perfect. Are you arguing against that?
Are you arguing that he's flawless? Bahaha! His con is hes lightweight. Wear the fuck are you getting all this "he can't kill" "shutter loop and D-smash are bad derp derp" Seriously. You and I both know that he has no fucking problem killing, staying alive with his mobility to compensate for light weight, or racking up damage. Focus on his true cons. I already told you. I acknoledged hes light weight but he compensates for it with having godlike everything else.
Nado for certain characters is absolutely impossible to avoid and not get shield poked (see dedede) and generally an unpublishable free damage move once it comes out. Shutter loop...oh god that move. He reaches so far above with that attack AND he's invincible on the start? Oh AND he goes into glide mode which he can send out yet another disjointed glide attack for a safe landing. Great. Ledge grab limit is in play just for this jerk.
He does have no problem killing. D-smash, and shutter loop are retardly good kill moves, and F-smash is safe on block and the perfect mindgame move when charged. Oh and ya know. His rape aerial gimping ability and 0-death u-air strings to nado. His grab release? Yea that sucks, but who the hell's gonna get grab on MK other then maybe dedede? His moves are so long range he can keep you out no problem. You're fooling yourself bro. MKs got a clear advantage over the cast.
D-smash is stale because its too busy hitting all the time. Its that good. Shuttle loop comes out so quickly its gonna be hitting. Alot. All MK has to do is get them off the stage and its a kill.
Infinites are legal now. Wario stayed in the same play on the tier list despite being able to be infinited via grab. Why? Because hes hard as hell to grab. Metaknights even harder with the speed, knockback, and range of his moves.
@sundowniseeu Yes, dsmash is a very good move and that is why it is stale a lot of the time. That doesn't mean anything though.
And MK has to do a lot more to get a kill with shuttle loop than that. People can airdodge or outsmart you. You have to bait and think, much like any other move.
No, Wario is the hardest character in the game to grab. Note that this is not an opinion, it's a fact.
It means nothing? Its an unpunishable gtfo move that gets him free damage. Thats alot. Oh wait thats most of moves.
You're argument for shutter loop is idiotic. You're resorting to "well durrr they can airdodge and outsmart you." The thing comes out in a few frames. 6 I believe. Thats 1/10th of a second. You can't react too it. You're putting the opponent in a due or die situation. Wear if they do predict it. Guess what? Its still unpublishable.
Your pot calling the kettle black bro. The stuff you're saying its unbelivable. He can't kill. Gimps, d-smash, shutter loop, nair. All good kill moves. All quick. All disjointed. Look at the other character in the game. They don't have this kinda crap.
And you're resorting to "NO! NOBODY GETS HIT BY MK" of course i'm saying they get hit by those moves and die! Those are his kill moves ya mook. They're the fricken bread and butter of MK. They quickly punish everything.
Continue arguing later. =w= And don't get mad bro. Different people with different opinions. Oh and mayhaps we should take this to PM's? Just cluttered the crap outta this video. =3=
Derp also you're trying to make him sound horrid. He doesn't have kill moves? He gets killed easily? Bullllcrap. The pros far far far far far out way the cons. Like completely scale breakingly they outweigh em. His only con is his lightweight. He completely compensates that con with his mobility, stupid 5 jumps, quick aerials, great recovery. Its unbelievable. Making killing him a bitch. Let alone being able to gain enough moment to even do damage. Derp.
@sundowniseeu I am NOT trying to make Mk look bad. He is the best character in the game and he is overpowered.
But HE DOES HAVE FLAWS. FLAWS. No, he doesn't have an easy time killing opponent. He is lightweight. He has a bad air realease. His aerials doesn't beat projectiles, so he has a hard time camping against projectile users.
Killing him isn't that hard. You can't gimp him, no. But he dies early.
Bro. The 2 characters that actually have projecties that are quick or big enough to deal with D-air camping are pikachu and falco. And you still have to be camping far away to be in a good unpublishable position to hit him. Those characters both go even with him, but still take much much more skill then MK does. Just saying yo. And again. Lightweight? Yea. MK doing ANYTHING thats punishable enough to get hit by a kill move? No. He won't get killed til high percent.
I don't believe in this argument about Tiers. It was just created by people who were loosing as characters they were bad at as a way for them to blame something other then their piss poor skills. Same goes for people who play with items off.
Here's a tid bit. If you HAVE to play with settings at the bare minimum JUST SO YOU CAN WIN, you're not good.
I play Link, despite him being called the lowest of Brawl's Low-Tier, because it's a CHALLENGE to win with him against most players.
It takes a lot of hard work to set up combos using all your different projectiles effectively with your close-range skills, much more so than most of the others simply because of the sheer amount of projectiles he has to work with.
That's my reasoning, and it's a real feeling of accomplishment after every victory.^_^
@DiscoRByrno i think you've missed my point. also there are tons of loser jocks who only care about sports and do terribly in school. ive seen tons of them, more so than ive seen successful ones. not to say you shouldnt play sports, but to say it certainly isnt uncommon, and at least is not more uncommon than gamers who live terrible lives, of which ive seen less. it doesnt matter what either of us have seen, logical correlation is what matters, and effectively sports and games are the same
@DiscoRByrno (cont) in the same way that one cannot say, sports are terrible, you can get addicted to them and be like those locker room jocks who drink beer at frat parties think school is stupid and only care about watching and playing football. just because an extreme exists, doesnt mean its relevant
@DiscoRByrno videogames are not damaging to your health, in my case they are part of my successful life style. because of my connection to other gamers ive made a strong social scene with my friends, a way to strive to be the best that i can be, and id credit constantly thinking strategically and logically towards my success in college. People that get addicted to video games are no different than those who get addicted to sports. you cannot judge gamers as slackers (cont)
@DiscoRByrno my purpose here isnt to convince you that sports are boring. my purpose is to show that you cant just start criticizing a lifestyle and labeling things as pointless, while casting our hardwork and dedication aside. There are multiple ways to be successful. be it sports, videogames, or whatever else people do. its not necessary to openly express yourself in a place you know you will not be appreciated. like if i were to go to a video on football and start criticizing sports
@DiscoRByrno thats a bit narrow minded dont you think. sports, while a form of exercise, is not exclusive. There are many ways that require significantly less dedication. the gaming community is very large, there are plenty of friends and rivals to be made. it is a fair life style. As for grades, videogames are a great way of training fast logical thinking, as well as teamwork, efficiency, and several other critical aspects of thinking. videogames are better for the mind than sports
@DiscoRByrno also starcraft is the national sport of korea. It is a real job and professional starcraft player are over paid just like athletes are over paid. but its just as impossibly likely to make any money at all from athletics as from starcraft, thus dedicating your life to sports is just a much a "waste of time", and if you focuses solely on becoming a major athlete, you'll probably fail because you arent as strong or fast as other people.
@DiscoRByrno (cont) one is required to be able to translate as much as they can come up with in their mind as possible. humans are not capable of this. no human can move like you can in smash, not even close. there are more options in smash because character are not limited by reality. sure in hockey you can hit the puck in a bunch of different directions, or slam into someone or whatever, but you are still limited by reality in the same way as everyone else. Therefore, i find it boring
@DiscoRByrno it is not necessary to append "in my opinion" after every opinion based sentence. no need to be a prick about it. i know you know this because you followed by saying the converse of my statement. also, not all generalizations are incorrect, but that is besides the point, in that i know what humans are not capable of, because i know what is simply impossible. The mind is completely superior to the vessle that carries it, in order for full strategy to be taken advantage of (cont)
@DiscoRByrno gamers can do more than one thing. striving to become the best has no correlation with being a failure. It'd be like if someone told you playing sports was worthless because youll never get a real job. oh sure you can get in the big leagues, just like i could move to korea and join a starcraft league, or i could do what im doing now and practice to be the best at games that are interesting, while i go to school- a place where i also strive to be the best
@DiscoRByrno its not a contradiction to say humans are boring. i didnt ask to be one. if i got to choose something exciting to be, id be a psion. but since this is reality, humans are clearly the best thing i could hope to be. yes sports suck, there is no depth to them, nothing interesting ever happens. maybe someone hits a ball farther, or scores more points than anyone else. but no one can do anything interesting because again, humans are boring. no one can fly or teleport or anything, jun run
@DiscoRByrno irl sports suck because humans are boring. actual physics are way too restricting in terms of translating strategy and complex mobility into physical reality. That's why baseball has no metagame, no one does anything differently, people are just strongER or fastER than other people. Videogames are clearly more rewarding and worthwhile to spend time in in comparison to physical sports. The humans body is merely a vessel for the mind, a clearly superior feature that defines a man
@DiscoRByrno of course tiers exist, you just cant perfectly balance characters that are completely different from one another. Also i've never understood why people say there is no point to things. So what? Nothing you do really has a point anyway, so why not have fun doing it? what a boring life you must lead if you cannot understand the drive to become the best at something. There is pride in being awesome. lastly, you just told *gimpyfish* he's bad at bowser and that he should practice more
@DiscoRByrno *sigh* Brawl is a horrible example. I don't want to get into Brawl because I hate the game.
And "dressing up?" Golf is undeniably a sport. Do people dress up to represent a team? No. Tennis is a sport as well. They represent themselves, not a team.
And I did not say "real sports" by your definition is a waste of time. I used it as a parody of your example. You don't even know what rhetoric is.
I refuse to waste my time arguing with a retard any further.
@mookwak420 Lol! At least we agree on some things. I'm actually hosting a SSBM tournament today as we speak. Perhaps you've heard of Taj, Axe, and other AZ players? They'll all be here provided they do not have work.
@DiscoRByrno Your opinion is valued and noted. As for myself, I believe that video games are hobbies, just as anything else that "is nothing to be proud about" like being good at Archery, being good at Slapjack, or...dare I say, being good at sports, that aside from exercise and physical characteristic imbalance (like height and weight), don't help humanity advance. ;)
@DiscoRByrno I would personally say that the point of tournaments is to test your skill in a game you take seriously. Why take a game seriously? Because the added competition is more fun for some reason. Winning with "skill" rather than "luck" is what we hope to achieve. Perhaps read up on Playing to Win by David Sirlin. It's a good article on why people play competitive video games, poker, chess, etc.
@OkamiBW Also, video games, poker, and chess are more balanced (oftentimes) than stereotypical sports because you can't be born short and then instantly lose all hope of being able to play basketball. (It's much more common to be unable to play sports, than it is to be able to play poker, for example)
@DiscoRByrno I'm saying that although Kirby can do moveset related things like Sui-swallow off the edge, it doesn't affect his place on the tier list. Basically that "But Kirby..." argument is not a valid argument as the tier list is concerned. But how could I expect people to understand things that are implied? (Esp. on the internet)
@DiscoRByrno You're missing the point of tiers. Tiers simply say that certain characters have better options than others. For example, Kirby cannot physically combo, nor tech chase as well as Sheik or Falcon. Thus, he is lower on the tier list. It's not like they had 2 people of exactly equal skill play each other in those matchups. And before you say, "But Kirby can do other things that Falcon can't do!" No. No he can't.
@OkamiBW P.S. Bowser's not overpowered. He just sucks. Falcon's knee (forward air) is overpowered and is easier to hit with than any of that turtle's moves except maybe UpB, which is not as strong and leaves him vurnerable.
If two equally skilled players both played against each other, one using Fox, the other using Pichu. The player using Fox would win. This is because Fox is a better character. It is obvious that some characters will be better than others, because designing a game with that many variables and making it balanced is completely impossible.
This is supported by logic, and the fact that you don't see any Pichu players winning any large-scale tournaments.
A message for all Captain Falcon users: Captain is the 2nd highest character, and moves have very high knockback and are very strong. But his weakness is are his attacks are kinda slow, and there is some lag between his moves. To be a true Captain Falcon user, Timing is prime! Study your character, and the timing between there moves and your moves, and once you got it down, your'll be very good with Captain Falcon. Capt. Falcon is not for users with bad timing, that's just the truth.
His weaknesses were constant openings and he misses a lot.
But I got over these.
Solutions: I used PK flash A LOT less. That made a HUGE difference.
When Someone comes toward me, I use PK thunder. This also helps a bunch.
My biggest improvement on Ness, however, was learning how to effectively use his ariel headbutt and down kick. With those two moves, I rack up HUGE damage and finish with his bat. Now, I'm an expert at Ness.
Fox in Melee is able to counter any move that comes against him by using his shine, a move that comes out on the first frame. There is no way to surpass such a thing. It's not like the hitbox is as small as Rest's, too.
tl;dr - I refuse to accept that my character has any weakness; the weaknesses are mine alone. >:[
@XLordSundayX I also said that Fox was completely unbeatable. I was obviously sarcastic. However, the Falcon Punch beats the shine in that a well spaced Punch will outrange the hitbox of the shine. But it does not make it viable.
@mookwak420 That's not true. If one practiced enough on the timing of the Falcon Punch, he or she could shine and clank with the Falcon Punch. Perfect Control 1 for Melee shows Fox and Falco clanking Shine with things like Roy's fully charged neutral B and stuff.
Simple laws of priority on the ground, the "high-low" principle, states that the two moves must be within 8% of each other in order to clank. There is no way in hell that a shine and a Falcon Punch are within 8% of each other.
Also, people can not perceive one frame.
Also, trying to use "Perfect Control" as an example is retarded; they used Action Replay.
@mookwak420 Yes, they do. You're simply showing that you don't understand the game physics. Shine can clank with Roy's fully charged B, 50%. In the way that they used it, Action Replay doesn't alter the game; it simply slows it down to have perfect timing. I know for a fact, on mult. occasions, I have clanked Fox's shine (5%) with Marth's tipper Fsmash (>15%). Falcon Punch takes more than 1 frame. You can time the shine to clank because you can perceive the Falcon Punch starting after 20 frames.
@OkamiBW *sigh* I have Action Replay. I've used it. I've contributed to the Smash community by collecting frame data on two of the characters. I know what it's used for.
And non-spacies do the same things as the "Fox." I'm pretty sure they just spot-dodge it. And how do you know that the f-smash connected with its tip?
And when the Falcon Punch's hitbox comes out, it HITS THEM. And the Falcon Punch takes 52 frames.
@OkamiBW Okay, found out that shine has odd properties. >_> Should have guessed as much. Anyways, I still say that AR is a horrible example. Give me an instance where someone can count frames while playing. Not even M2K can do that.
@mookwak420 Example of "counting frames"? Powershielding, could be an example. Or you could say meteor cancelling meteor smashes at high percents? Marth jabbing space animals out of their forward B? Besides, Falcon Punch has visual cues and sound effects to go with it. It's not like Falcon punch has a single frame of "Start" and then 51 frames later, it goes, "Hit". It has a continuous visual/audio plethora to time clanking.
@OkamiBW Due to some testing on my part, you can clank with a Falcon Punch, but you will be hit the next possible frame Falcon moves because it has multiple hit frames. On something that hits once though, like Falcon's Fsmash or Roy's Flare Blade, you can clank (doesn't matter it's %).
@OkamiBW "Counting frames" as in discerning between each individual frame.
Powershield does not count as there is a small circle in which an attack must reach before you can PS. More than one frame window for this.
Meteor cancel at low % is the same at high %; you just have fewer frames to do it because you're shot down faster. Multiple frame window to do this, here, too.
Jabbing is out for more than one frame. More leeway here as well.
And yes, the punch does. That's how frame data works.
very good points dude, i'll try to recognize the characters weaknesses just like you said :)
*sigh* iv'e seen so many people play like a pro who are WAAAY out of my skill 0.o
and are able to use them flawlessly without hesitating to attack when the chance is given to them. and sometimes i notice i leave myself open a couple of times cause i plainly just use a frontal assault as soon as the match starts and just lunges out to them with a barrage of attacks X/
uhh, no projectiles on marth and kirby extremely light wieght are one of many for each. also, one of kirby's high knockback moves (down b) is very easy to deal with, and then can be taken advantage of, making it useless in most situations. smashwiki has a list of attributes for each character for each game, including thier strenghts and weaknesses. i suggest looking there if you are interested in what gimpy said.
what do you mean by "easily gimped in certain ways"? That's a nice point, all characters have weaknesses, If you learn them and work on them, you will actually be able to strengthen it, though you still will never make them perfect. Wise video ^^.
My two fav Characters on Brawl are Sonic and Lucario, Wit Sonic you have to take advantage of his speed, speed is his main weapon, running aroud making hard to hit or make him unpredictable, and L:ucario, is more of a up close, he got strong attack, but most the time he as to fight up close, is best move is Counter down side , it takes someone to pyiscally attack which doesn't always work, Lucario is more of the work your opponents attacks against them
Melee is good and Brawl is good. U frekin Melee-only fan boys need to grow up. Brawl has things Melee doesn't. Yes, i like Melee more, but Brawl is good too. So get of this vid Brawl haters >:P
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Aflay1 1 week ago
@sundowniseeu Coming from a old Meta Knight main, mother fucking Falco. Didn't quit because of it, just got bored of MK.
GuywithaSilkBowtie 1 month ago
I think, everything depends of the skills of the player.
AloisTrancyful 1 month ago
imma Street Fighter player, but I like your speeches..they are relevant..
thearrah 1 month ago
Really good advice!
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DuckandCrew 2 months ago
Pfft, my Samus is perfect! haha jk
PichuIsMyFavorite 6 months ago
No Items. Fox Only. Final Destination... flaws removed....
InternetManable 6 months ago
Wait a sec, I thought that MK's bread-and-butter was his nigh-unconquerable edge-guarding capabilities?
Who needs powerful hits that can kill easily when all you need to do is practice your Edge-Guarding game till you're excellent at it, then just nudge your opponent off the side just enough so that their third jump can't save them anymore?
All those jumps of his plus a gliding ability. I'm just saying, I've seen some impressive MK edging recently......
smashbrolink 7 months ago
@smashbrolink I want to see an impressive edge guard using Meta Knight's gliding.
Aflay1 1 week ago
@Aflay1 I'm sure someone has done that at some point in a youtube vid by now.
smashbrolink 1 week ago
skills > tier list
insanityprod 9 months ago 13
The you stoped Using Bowser, and used an so called Top Tier Right? =/
ChaosNew 10 months ago
@ChaosNew no i always used bowser in melee
Gimpyfish62 10 months ago 12
@Gimpyfish62 Good ;)
ChaosNew 10 months ago
zelda is my main
and i play peach and game & watch alot
and im good with marth
but i think ike sucks because he has almost no recovery
even worse then yoshi
dutchy253Q 10 months ago
@dutchy253Q Ike's recovery is beast, granted you know how to use it. Yoshi can be surprisingly good, but takes practice. Clumsy hands will fail with Yoshi.
Aflay1 1 week ago
@Aflay1 that comment was posted 10 months ago.
i hardly remember posting it. i improved my yoshi alot in this time and hes a decent char to me now. but he doesnt have the "best" recovery in the game you could say.
ike's recovery is good if he needs to go horizontal or vertical but if it has to go diagonnaly then its almost impossible to recover. therefore semi spikes wreck ike
dutchy253Q 1 week ago
@dutchy253Q Yeah. I guess so. It's funny, I keep forgetting to check the date of replies. I keep forgetting that pressing the remove comment button wont stop the comment from reaching the person's inbox. Oh well.
Aflay1 6 days ago
Dude. You need to keep doing this stuff. This is such great advice, and it just makes me happy to hear it out loud. :]
Keys1281 10 months ago
my favorite character is sonic, but not for any rational reason. i just love sonic games. so i try to make him look good and i really am better with him than with meta-knight or lucario as whom i also play alot. but characters like Olimar, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Peach and Zelda just drive me nuts when i'm sonic. there's something about them that most other characters don't have. i'm gonna go observe that from now on.
TheJayman213 10 months ago
@TheJayman213 Yeah, Some characters can counter others. Diddy for instance can counter most top tiers. Perhaps sonic is similar, or maybe you just haven't faught tough Meta Knight's yet.
Aflay1 1 week ago
Um, I already know I'm late to the whole "competitive vs. non-competitive argument," and, um, competitive gaming is fun. Only reason anyone should ever need.
Ariphilus 11 months ago
@Ariphilus Ever played a competitive game with low items?
Aflay1 1 week ago
@Aflay1 I'm not quite sure what you mean =/ I'm okay with items, but I do usually like them off
Ariphilus 1 week ago
@Ariphilus Well I learned recently that playing with low items brings a sort of different competitive game play that is uniquely challenging. Dodging rockets, grabbing smash orbs, stuff like that brings a challenge that items only bring, granted, setting items to high makes it chaotic and less skillful then with lower, and more attrition items. Basically, If you set the items to low, you have can have a fun, skillful battle. That's right, skill. with items. dont nok it til you try it.
Aflay1 1 week ago
@Aflay1 I most certainly can see that, I actually believe playing with items DOES involve a good amount of skill (you can see some of that with characters who have item-moves, like Peach). I just don't like them, but it's personal taste :P
Ariphilus 1 week ago
Um.... Toon Links weakness is Ike. ._. I hate spamm characters.
MrAsono 11 months ago
I love this.
I want more!
Doomolish 11 months ago
dayum gimpy... you's like a motivational speaker for smash bros. haha. before i found these audio-only tips of yours i was already motivated alone by watchin your gameplay as (low-tier) bowser. rock the fuck on man!!!
Mycological 11 months ago
srs bsns
ShellM591 11 months ago
"Your character does have weaknesses..."
This statement does not apply to those who play meta knight.
Ediblemittens 11 months ago
I PLAY ROY! all the times !!
2 reasons,
-teH Ph1R3
-ROYS OUR BOY!!!
and for a third reason(obviously) he is not MARTH! LOL
zintegrergarreur 1 year ago
Some? Wouldnt care as long as you dont put that finger in their face,others wouldnt mind and so forth but you get the drill.Troll away =D
zeokenX 1 year ago
@zeokenX shut up lol
shadow1pj 1 year ago
@shadow1pj fuck off lol =/
zeokenX 1 year ago
As for the rest of the people who dont care? Dont bother in what they believe in because for example,do you believe that scratching your ass is ok in public? To most its not.
zeokenX 1 year ago
And Tiers only exist to the way "competitive" players play.
zeokenX 1 year ago
I must say you are pretty ignorant. Playing video games competitively is not a waste of time. It has a huge social scene, requires extensive mental thinking, and is a great stress reliever. Though I do agree that you need to maintain balance in your life. Find ways to exercise, keep good grades, and work on your job/career outside gaming. Because there are some things that video games just can't do for you.
DarkLouis 1 year ago
@DarkLouis The "scene" is not has huge as one might think..Sure thousands go to EVO SoCal and such each year,but that number pales in comparison to the sheer 60k+ that attend real sport event arena,or even be remotely compared lol.And if anything,games being played at a high level creates more stress due to the usual money thats at stake.The only mental thinking a game played in this manner in Brawl's case is knowing priority in what move beats what and what character to pick for the situation.
zeokenX 1 year ago
This was really helpful, I really take this advice to heart. It's really helped me foucs on exactly how I should be playing Young Link, not looking at his weakness's caused me to try and push the character to do the impossible. I never thought such a simple piece of advice could go so far, but it's really helped. Thank you very much.
DisasterPiece0302 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno I guess thousands of dollars are meaningless to DiscoRByrno.
DarkmageRector 1 year ago
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Doomolish 1 year ago
I fucking love this kind of vids, I hope u do more in the future Gimpy u inspire me :)
Doomolish 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
Gimpyfish is right, and competitive players can play casually, they're just good at the game. Tiers don't magically appear once a tourney is started, and even if it's not one it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Especially in Smash (even more so in Melee/Brawl) where there is imbalance abound. Would be nice if they were balanced, but no.
Even in games as balanced as BlazBlue there are tier lists, same as the "corporate ladder".
Btw, isn't everything pointless?
It's what we make of it
mrperson9001 1 year ago
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@DiscoRByrno
I just came into this video by accident because I was curious as to what Gimpy had to say on the matter. Your opinion of what is "normal" is what is stupid and subjective. To say that competitive video games is pointless is comparable to saying professional sports are pointless. Sure, making a career out of any hobby (see: soccer, football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc) is a waste of time, outside of the fact that the players get to do what they enjoy and make some $.
cloudedreason 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
I just came into this video by accident because I was curious as to what Gimpy had to say on the matter. Your opinion of what is "normal" is what is stupid and subjective. To say that competitive video games is pointless is comparable to saying professional sports are pointless. Sure, making a career out of any hobby (see: soccer, football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc) is a waste of time, outside of the fact that the players get to do what they enjoy and make some $.
cloudedreason 1 year ago
@cloudedreason Tell those players to get signed by the same worldwide sponsors and such and appear on ACTUAL LIVE NATIONAL TELEVISION rather than the internet if its in the same "ballpark".And no,its not comparable to sports lol.Video Game intentional means are to let time pass,in such the mass majority believe that games arent suppose to be played on hours on end everyday of the week hence the reasoning for Brawl taking the simplified step gameplay wise rather than a technical fighter.
zeokenX 1 year ago
@cloudedreason In my honest opinion playing Videogames competitive IS pointless because its pretty much playing under someone else's programming and using it to justify the fact that "I know more framedata than you hand me money please" LOL Troll me as much as you guys like,theres nothing you guys could come up with that explain why REAL professional Sports < Cpu glitched gaming tournaments.VideoGames intent are only again to allow people to play games the way they want to and nothing more..
zeokenX 1 year ago
LOL. Good thing I play MEwtwo. that nigga is good haha.
Ka0star 1 year ago
@Ka0star lol?
supermariofan546 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
do you feel good about yourself. did that stupid rant of yours make you feel good. are you done yet? games can be played competitively. just because you don't think so means nothing to everyone else. getting good at a game is no different than at a sport. both require skill and determination. winning a tourney is something to be proud of. and tiers do exist. you don't even understand tiers clearly.
mikedchannel 1 year ago
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@DiscoRByrno "Also Bowser isn't bad, you're just not good at using him.".
Says DiscoRByrno to one of the best Bowsers in the world.
You are correct that tiers cannot be applied if one is just playing "for fun" (or if one is playing seriously at below peak metagame for that matter). Saying that tiers don't exist however is wishful thinking at best.
Treklink256 1 year ago
I play low tier (Link) because... well, He's pretty much the only character i've taken as much time to master as I have... This is Melee Link btw
hibber25 1 year ago
thanks SO much dude! after i acepted his weakness, i got WAY better as my best player. Since yoshi technicly doesn't have a 3rd jump, i trained his egg throw jump to give me the boost i needed, and eliminated the weakness
Pichuman2 1 year ago
*raised hand*
What about metaknight mains? :V
sundowniseeu 1 year ago 50
@sundowniseeu Metaknight's weakness it that he is on brawl and that no one gives a shit if you win with him b/c it's expected for him to always win. Therefore, his weakns is the loss of pride and dignity for using him.
BonJoviFanboy 1 year ago
@BonJoviFanboy
Yea, really the hardest thing to learn about metaknight is counting all dat prize money after tournaments. =w=
sundowniseeu 1 year ago
@sundowniseeu he is.. nooby :X
DaXims4force 1 year ago
@sundowniseeu Too long to name...
17107Jon17107 11 months ago
@sundowniseeu no projectile, so to get around this spam B.... and side B... and every other one of those long ranged moves
yougy101 10 months ago
@sundowniseeu Yeah, because MK has no weaknesses. He isn't extremely easy to kill, he kills with no problem whatsoever, he doesn't have a piece of shit air release... Not at all.
I know your comment is old, but there are a shitload of people who think like that, which is just wrong.
Mk might be sorta overpowered but he is NOT broken. He does NOT make the game unplayable and he is NOT God Tier.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Hes not god tier? I guess thats why he doesn't have a whole tier of his own. OH WAIT. The asshole has no bad match up's. Only 2 other characters go even with him. The rest of the cast he rapes. He has no trouble tanking hits with his 5 jumps, glides, and oh jee 4 DIFFERENT RECOVERS. He can punish anything out of shield with his ridiculous disjoint, attack speed, and mobile speed. And if he doesn't wanna die, you're gonna get D-air camped hard. I've got another reply btw.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu No, he is not God Tier. He is S tier. God tier would if there were no way, no matter how skilled, anyone could defeat an MK without using MK (assuming the MK is very good).
Just because he's not even with the rest of the cast he doesn't rape it. He has some very close matchups and very few auto-wins.
He dies at low percent. You can't get around that. His momentum cancel only helps for 15%.
Yeah, because there's no way you can attack through his dairs.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
You're so wrong man.
MK has some "close matchups". Yea. That are in his favor. Ha. He becomes 10 times more rape with counter pick in play. he can camp the crap outta anyone on rainbow cruis, brinstar, delfino the list goes on baby.
He dies at low percent but good luck getting that kill move when all his moves are safe on block. oh and his massive disjoint won't let ya in.
D-air camping is incredibly effective because your MAKING THEM APPROACH! Helloooo. it's a yomi set up.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu I don't think RC should be legal, but you Mk haters are so obsessed with showing how broken he is that you don't see that some transformations on Delfino are flat out bad for MK. And the list doesn't go on. It stops right there.
Yeah, because it's a well-known fact that no one has ever defeated a good MK.
Still, my point was that MK has weaknesses (which is the topic of the video). He has flaws. He is not perfect. Are you arguing against that?
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Are you arguing that he's flawless? Bahaha! His con is hes lightweight. Wear the fuck are you getting all this "he can't kill" "shutter loop and D-smash are bad derp derp" Seriously. You and I both know that he has no fucking problem killing, staying alive with his mobility to compensate for light weight, or racking up damage. Focus on his true cons. I already told you. I acknoledged hes light weight but he compensates for it with having godlike everything else.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Why MKs bullshit PART 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO!
Nado for certain characters is absolutely impossible to avoid and not get shield poked (see dedede) and generally an unpublishable free damage move once it comes out. Shutter loop...oh god that move. He reaches so far above with that attack AND he's invincible on the start? Oh AND he goes into glide mode which he can send out yet another disjointed glide attack for a safe landing. Great. Ledge grab limit is in play just for this jerk.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu Nado is not impossible to avoid for Dedede. He can hit MK out of it with some moves, and I am sure you can do something with PSC.
Yeah, safe landing. Except you can shield it and do something oos. Sure, shuttle loop is a great move, but it's not broken.
LGL isn't in play just for Mk.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
part 3.
He does have no problem killing. D-smash, and shutter loop are retardly good kill moves, and F-smash is safe on block and the perfect mindgame move when charged. Oh and ya know. His rape aerial gimping ability and 0-death u-air strings to nado. His grab release? Yea that sucks, but who the hell's gonna get grab on MK other then maybe dedede? His moves are so long range he can keep you out no problem. You're fooling yourself bro. MKs got a clear advantage over the cast.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu Dsmash and shuttle loop aren't that great for killing if your opponent can DI. And dsmash is usually stale.
THe 0-death is not a true combo, you can get out of it.
Uhm... If you can grab a Wario, you can grab an MK.
He has mid range, not long. Sure, he has a sword, but he is still classified as mid.
Mk has no bad matchups, but some of them are close. My point is that he does have weaknesses, which is completely true. You can't deny that.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
D-smash is stale because its too busy hitting all the time. Its that good. Shuttle loop comes out so quickly its gonna be hitting. Alot. All MK has to do is get them off the stage and its a kill.
Infinites are legal now. Wario stayed in the same play on the tier list despite being able to be infinited via grab. Why? Because hes hard as hell to grab. Metaknights even harder with the speed, knockback, and range of his moves.
mid long. That sword comes out so damn quick.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu Yes, dsmash is a very good move and that is why it is stale a lot of the time. That doesn't mean anything though.
And MK has to do a lot more to get a kill with shuttle loop than that. People can airdodge or outsmart you. You have to bait and think, much like any other move.
No, Wario is the hardest character in the game to grab. Note that this is not an opinion, it's a fact.
Nope, just mid. Not mid long, not long, mid.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
It means nothing? Its an unpunishable gtfo move that gets him free damage. Thats alot. Oh wait thats most of moves.
You're argument for shutter loop is idiotic. You're resorting to "well durrr they can airdodge and outsmart you." The thing comes out in a few frames. 6 I believe. Thats 1/10th of a second. You can't react too it. You're putting the opponent in a due or die situation. Wear if they do predict it. Guess what? Its still unpublishable.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu Dsmash is NOT unpunishable. If you are going to continue to state bullshit things like that I won't respond.
You're resorting to "lol all he has to do is using it and the opponent dies lololol".
Predicting Shuttle loop isn't hard. Not hard. At all.
It's not unpunishable when used offstage. It is never unpunishable. Stop saying stupid bullshit that is not true in any way.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Your pot calling the kettle black bro. The stuff you're saying its unbelivable. He can't kill. Gimps, d-smash, shutter loop, nair. All good kill moves. All quick. All disjointed. Look at the other character in the game. They don't have this kinda crap.
And you're resorting to "NO! NOBODY GETS HIT BY MK" of course i'm saying they get hit by those moves and die! Those are his kill moves ya mook. They're the fricken bread and butter of MK. They quickly punish everything.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Brb. Going to the library~! :D
Continue arguing later. =w= And don't get mad bro. Different people with different opinions. Oh and mayhaps we should take this to PM's? Just cluttered the crap outta this video. =3=
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu That's a scary coincidence, just got back from the library.
Yeah, PMs would be a good idea.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Derp also you're trying to make him sound horrid. He doesn't have kill moves? He gets killed easily? Bullllcrap. The pros far far far far far out way the cons. Like completely scale breakingly they outweigh em. His only con is his lightweight. He completely compensates that con with his mobility, stupid 5 jumps, quick aerials, great recovery. Its unbelievable. Making killing him a bitch. Let alone being able to gain enough moment to even do damage. Derp.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu I am NOT trying to make Mk look bad. He is the best character in the game and he is overpowered.
But HE DOES HAVE FLAWS. FLAWS. No, he doesn't have an easy time killing opponent. He is lightweight. He has a bad air realease. His aerials doesn't beat projectiles, so he has a hard time camping against projectile users.
Killing him isn't that hard. You can't gimp him, no. But he dies early.
NathanEmanuelS 9 months ago
@NathanEmanuelS
Bro. The 2 characters that actually have projecties that are quick or big enough to deal with D-air camping are pikachu and falco. And you still have to be camping far away to be in a good unpublishable position to hit him. Those characters both go even with him, but still take much much more skill then MK does. Just saying yo. And again. Lightweight? Yea. MK doing ANYTHING thats punishable enough to get hit by a kill move? No. He won't get killed til high percent.
sundowniseeu 9 months ago
@sundowniseeu *raised hand*
RANDOM IS PERFECT
MikalMirkas 7 months ago 2
I don't believe in this argument about Tiers. It was just created by people who were loosing as characters they were bad at as a way for them to blame something other then their piss poor skills. Same goes for people who play with items off.
Here's a tid bit. If you HAVE to play with settings at the bare minimum JUST SO YOU CAN WIN, you're not good.
What you say in this video is true.
JustKickin 1 year ago
I play Link, despite him being called the lowest of Brawl's Low-Tier, because it's a CHALLENGE to win with him against most players.
It takes a lot of hard work to set up combos using all your different projectiles effectively with your close-range skills, much more so than most of the others simply because of the sheer amount of projectiles he has to work with.
That's my reasoning, and it's a real feeling of accomplishment after every victory.^_^
smashbrolink 1 year ago
Let's see...
Fox: Falls Fast, vulnerable to chaingrabs and combos, easily caped or edgehogged during recovery.
Ganondorf: Slow ground game, vulnerable to combos and chaingrabs, easily edgehogged, no projectile, raped by projectiles.
Sheik: Semi-poor recovery, attacks easily crouch cancelled.
Marth: No projectile, easily edgehogged during poor recovery.
I think that covers it.
DarkMario277 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno indeed
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno i think you've missed my point. also there are tons of loser jocks who only care about sports and do terribly in school. ive seen tons of them, more so than ive seen successful ones. not to say you shouldnt play sports, but to say it certainly isnt uncommon, and at least is not more uncommon than gamers who live terrible lives, of which ive seen less. it doesnt matter what either of us have seen, logical correlation is what matters, and effectively sports and games are the same
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno (cont) in the same way that one cannot say, sports are terrible, you can get addicted to them and be like those locker room jocks who drink beer at frat parties think school is stupid and only care about watching and playing football. just because an extreme exists, doesnt mean its relevant
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno videogames are not damaging to your health, in my case they are part of my successful life style. because of my connection to other gamers ive made a strong social scene with my friends, a way to strive to be the best that i can be, and id credit constantly thinking strategically and logically towards my success in college. People that get addicted to video games are no different than those who get addicted to sports. you cannot judge gamers as slackers (cont)
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno my purpose here isnt to convince you that sports are boring. my purpose is to show that you cant just start criticizing a lifestyle and labeling things as pointless, while casting our hardwork and dedication aside. There are multiple ways to be successful. be it sports, videogames, or whatever else people do. its not necessary to openly express yourself in a place you know you will not be appreciated. like if i were to go to a video on football and start criticizing sports
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno thats a bit narrow minded dont you think. sports, while a form of exercise, is not exclusive. There are many ways that require significantly less dedication. the gaming community is very large, there are plenty of friends and rivals to be made. it is a fair life style. As for grades, videogames are a great way of training fast logical thinking, as well as teamwork, efficiency, and several other critical aspects of thinking. videogames are better for the mind than sports
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno also starcraft is the national sport of korea. It is a real job and professional starcraft player are over paid just like athletes are over paid. but its just as impossibly likely to make any money at all from athletics as from starcraft, thus dedicating your life to sports is just a much a "waste of time", and if you focuses solely on becoming a major athlete, you'll probably fail because you arent as strong or fast as other people.
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno (cont) one is required to be able to translate as much as they can come up with in their mind as possible. humans are not capable of this. no human can move like you can in smash, not even close. there are more options in smash because character are not limited by reality. sure in hockey you can hit the puck in a bunch of different directions, or slam into someone or whatever, but you are still limited by reality in the same way as everyone else. Therefore, i find it boring
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno it is not necessary to append "in my opinion" after every opinion based sentence. no need to be a prick about it. i know you know this because you followed by saying the converse of my statement. also, not all generalizations are incorrect, but that is besides the point, in that i know what humans are not capable of, because i know what is simply impossible. The mind is completely superior to the vessle that carries it, in order for full strategy to be taken advantage of (cont)
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno gamers can do more than one thing. striving to become the best has no correlation with being a failure. It'd be like if someone told you playing sports was worthless because youll never get a real job. oh sure you can get in the big leagues, just like i could move to korea and join a starcraft league, or i could do what im doing now and practice to be the best at games that are interesting, while i go to school- a place where i also strive to be the best
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno its not a contradiction to say humans are boring. i didnt ask to be one. if i got to choose something exciting to be, id be a psion. but since this is reality, humans are clearly the best thing i could hope to be. yes sports suck, there is no depth to them, nothing interesting ever happens. maybe someone hits a ball farther, or scores more points than anyone else. but no one can do anything interesting because again, humans are boring. no one can fly or teleport or anything, jun run
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno irl sports suck because humans are boring. actual physics are way too restricting in terms of translating strategy and complex mobility into physical reality. That's why baseball has no metagame, no one does anything differently, people are just strongER or fastER than other people. Videogames are clearly more rewarding and worthwhile to spend time in in comparison to physical sports. The humans body is merely a vessel for the mind, a clearly superior feature that defines a man
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno of course tiers exist, you just cant perfectly balance characters that are completely different from one another. Also i've never understood why people say there is no point to things. So what? Nothing you do really has a point anyway, so why not have fun doing it? what a boring life you must lead if you cannot understand the drive to become the best at something. There is pride in being awesome. lastly, you just told *gimpyfish* he's bad at bowser and that he should practice more
syth184 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno Okay, I'm done with you, troll.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno You don't know what rhetoric is.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno ... I am done arguing about competitive gaming, but you should at least get into 8th grade before you debate anything.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno *sigh* Brawl is a horrible example. I don't want to get into Brawl because I hate the game.
And "dressing up?" Golf is undeniably a sport. Do people dress up to represent a team? No. Tennis is a sport as well. They represent themselves, not a team.
And I did not say "real sports" by your definition is a waste of time. I used it as a parody of your example. You don't even know what rhetoric is.
I refuse to waste my time arguing with a retard any further.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno:
My reply was too long to post on youtube comments.
pastebin . com / MjzmHbV7
If it's too long for you read/argue your point, then you lack passion for your "real sports." Not calling you out, but just saying.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420 Lol! At least we agree on some things. I'm actually hosting a SSBM tournament today as we speak. Perhaps you've heard of Taj, Axe, and other AZ players? They'll all be here provided they do not have work.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno Your opinion is valued and noted. As for myself, I believe that video games are hobbies, just as anything else that "is nothing to be proud about" like being good at Archery, being good at Slapjack, or...dare I say, being good at sports, that aside from exercise and physical characteristic imbalance (like height and weight), don't help humanity advance. ;)
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno I would personally say that the point of tournaments is to test your skill in a game you take seriously. Why take a game seriously? Because the added competition is more fun for some reason. Winning with "skill" rather than "luck" is what we hope to achieve. Perhaps read up on Playing to Win by David Sirlin. It's a good article on why people play competitive video games, poker, chess, etc.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW Also, video games, poker, and chess are more balanced (oftentimes) than stereotypical sports because you can't be born short and then instantly lose all hope of being able to play basketball. (It's much more common to be unable to play sports, than it is to be able to play poker, for example)
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno I'm saying that although Kirby can do moveset related things like Sui-swallow off the edge, it doesn't affect his place on the tier list. Basically that "But Kirby..." argument is not a valid argument as the tier list is concerned. But how could I expect people to understand things that are implied? (Esp. on the internet)
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno You're missing the point of tiers. Tiers simply say that certain characters have better options than others. For example, Kirby cannot physically combo, nor tech chase as well as Sheik or Falcon. Thus, he is lower on the tier list. It's not like they had 2 people of exactly equal skill play each other in those matchups. And before you say, "But Kirby can do other things that Falcon can't do!" No. No he can't.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW P.S. Bowser's not overpowered. He just sucks. Falcon's knee (forward air) is overpowered and is easier to hit with than any of that turtle's moves except maybe UpB, which is not as strong and leaves him vurnerable.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
No, Pichu would not win unless we added an outside variable. But eh, I have a better argument than the few words Youtube allows me to post:
Look up the "Treatise on the Existence of Tiers"
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
Let me explain it this way then.
If two equally skilled players both played against each other, one using Fox, the other using Pichu. The player using Fox would win. This is because Fox is a better character. It is obvious that some characters will be better than others, because designing a game with that many variables and making it balanced is completely impossible.
This is supported by logic, and the fact that you don't see any Pichu players winning any large-scale tournaments.
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno
Tiers aren't supposed to say "This character will win".
They say "This character is better"
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
Yoshi isnt perfect. but hes still good
PichuPikaRai0001 1 year ago
@DiscoRByrno not to be arrogant but i'd say i was pretty good with bowser - just saying best in the world at my time doesn't come easy.
Bowser is bad, tiers exist and largely impact high level tournament play in pretty much any game.
Gimpyfish62 1 year ago 23
@Gimpyfish62 +1
Occhiodiargento 1 year ago
@Gimpyfish62 I can easily play Bowser better than anyone. I easily specializes mostly using heavyweights even in tournments.
FireX1991 1 year ago
Tiers are for queers.
zingodoom 1 year ago
A message for all Captain Falcon users: Captain is the 2nd highest character, and moves have very high knockback and are very strong. But his weakness is are his attacks are kinda slow, and there is some lag between his moves. To be a true Captain Falcon user, Timing is prime! Study your character, and the timing between there moves and your moves, and once you got it down, your'll be very good with Captain Falcon. Capt. Falcon is not for users with bad timing, that's just the truth.
ZXShadow1 1 year ago
I really don't get it someone explain it to me!
liltoad2 1 year ago
1:50 Unless you're Jigglypuff.
BOOBOO3976 1 year ago
@BOOBOO3976
or sonic T_T
PichuPikaRai0001 1 year ago
@PichuPikaRai0001
lolbrawllol
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
LOL Every Character sucks
computerexpert3 1 year ago
This is just directed at me cause I play Pichu! T~T
Lol XD
NintendoxFighter 1 year ago
I play low tier character because simply. he looks cool and I like how he plays. but my main is Marth. not Ike. Ike is a close sub.
and I'll look more into my weaknesses as well as my character's flaws.
Itsnameisgundam 1 year ago
Before I liiked him, I didn't really like Ness.
His weaknesses were constant openings and he misses a lot.
But I got over these.
Solutions: I used PK flash A LOT less. That made a HUGE difference.
When Someone comes toward me, I use PK thunder. This also helps a bunch.
My biggest improvement on Ness, however, was learning how to effectively use his ariel headbutt and down kick. With those two moves, I rack up HUGE damage and finish with his bat. Now, I'm an expert at Ness.
GogotteandSig 1 year ago
Whoa, thanks! =D
TheShark967 1 year ago
Tink:
Light
Bad Fsmash (not very effective at KOing)
risky Dair spike
Solution:
use projectiles when at high percents/ use Fair instead of Fsmash/ Only use Dair over land or a huge char
fozzlebunny7 1 year ago
Peach.
Weaknesses: Low kill power, worst air dodge in the game, light weight
Solution: Keep kill moves fresh. Oh dear, this is harder than I thought. XD
Chocoboking123 1 year ago
Ganondorf's weaknesses:
Heavy
Big Target
Slow
No Projectiles
Am I missing any?
Demi2669 1 year ago
Ice Climbers has no escape combos on every character?
I understand what you mean lol.
Tacobff 1 year ago
Fox in Melee is able to counter any move that comes against him by using his shine, a move that comes out on the first frame. There is no way to surpass such a thing. It's not like the hitbox is as small as Rest's, too.
tl;dr - I refuse to accept that my character has any weakness; the weaknesses are mine alone. >:[
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420
Counter > Shine
GG
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
@XLordSundayX ... LOL ARE YOU SERIOUS
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420
I didn't mean that Counter is better than shine, just that it beats it :P
Because you said "Fox in Melee is able to counter any move that comes against him by using his shine. There is no way to surpass such a thing".
XLordSundayX 1 year ago
@XLordSundayX I also said that Fox was completely unbeatable. I was obviously sarcastic. However, the Falcon Punch beats the shine in that a well spaced Punch will outrange the hitbox of the shine. But it does not make it viable.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420 That's not true. If one practiced enough on the timing of the Falcon Punch, he or she could shine and clank with the Falcon Punch. Perfect Control 1 for Melee shows Fox and Falco clanking Shine with things like Roy's fully charged neutral B and stuff.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW Have you ever heard of priority?
Simple laws of priority on the ground, the "high-low" principle, states that the two moves must be within 8% of each other in order to clank. There is no way in hell that a shine and a Falcon Punch are within 8% of each other.
Also, people can not perceive one frame.
Also, trying to use "Perfect Control" as an example is retarded; they used Action Replay.
Argument invalid.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420 Yes, they do. You're simply showing that you don't understand the game physics. Shine can clank with Roy's fully charged B, 50%. In the way that they used it, Action Replay doesn't alter the game; it simply slows it down to have perfect timing. I know for a fact, on mult. occasions, I have clanked Fox's shine (5%) with Marth's tipper Fsmash (>15%). Falcon Punch takes more than 1 frame. You can time the shine to clank because you can perceive the Falcon Punch starting after 20 frames.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW *sigh* I have Action Replay. I've used it. I've contributed to the Smash community by collecting frame data on two of the characters. I know what it's used for.
And non-spacies do the same things as the "Fox." I'm pretty sure they just spot-dodge it. And how do you know that the f-smash connected with its tip?
And when the Falcon Punch's hitbox comes out, it HITS THEM. And the Falcon Punch takes 52 frames.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@OkamiBW Okay, found out that shine has odd properties. >_> Should have guessed as much. Anyways, I still say that AR is a horrible example. Give me an instance where someone can count frames while playing. Not even M2K can do that.
mookwak420 1 year ago
@mookwak420 Example of "counting frames"? Powershielding, could be an example. Or you could say meteor cancelling meteor smashes at high percents? Marth jabbing space animals out of their forward B? Besides, Falcon Punch has visual cues and sound effects to go with it. It's not like Falcon punch has a single frame of "Start" and then 51 frames later, it goes, "Hit". It has a continuous visual/audio plethora to time clanking.
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW Due to some testing on my part, you can clank with a Falcon Punch, but you will be hit the next possible frame Falcon moves because it has multiple hit frames. On something that hits once though, like Falcon's Fsmash or Roy's Flare Blade, you can clank (doesn't matter it's %).
OkamiBW 1 year ago
@OkamiBW "Counting frames" as in discerning between each individual frame.
Powershield does not count as there is a small circle in which an attack must reach before you can PS. More than one frame window for this.
Meteor cancel at low % is the same at high %; you just have fewer frames to do it because you're shot down faster. Multiple frame window to do this, here, too.
Jabbing is out for more than one frame. More leeway here as well.
And yes, the punch does. That's how frame data works.
mookwak420 1 year ago
thank you for your wisdom.... no i'm not being sarastic i really think that this mindset will help me. im a pit main fyi. not enough KOing power : (
Xcallion 1 year ago
I play mewtwo, young link, luigi, and fox - any tips?
Turdle101 1 year ago
very good points dude, i'll try to recognize the characters weaknesses just like you said :)
*sigh* iv'e seen so many people play like a pro who are WAAAY out of my skill 0.o
and are able to use them flawlessly without hesitating to attack when the chance is given to them. and sometimes i notice i leave myself open a couple of times cause i plainly just use a frontal assault as soon as the match starts and just lunges out to them with a barrage of attacks X/
thanks for the awesome advice! =)
thelinkonar 1 year ago
This video has helped me so much in my game play
DannerstheMuffin 1 year ago
Accept that Zangief has been nerfed in SSFIV :)
Accept that Captain Falcon has NO WEAKNESSES!!
cpthurme 1 year ago
my main is sonic.
weaknesses:light weight,weaker then alot of characters, not projectiles,whatever ive missed
advantages:speed,combos,airtime,recovery,unpredictibility.
if you use sonic then you must accept these to get better.
hhheeeccckkk526 1 year ago
Diddys barrel recovery gets raped
XxSilverCobraxX 1 year ago
Does Marth have any weaknesses? Kirby?
nintenfreak14 1 year ago
@nintenfreak14
uhh, no projectiles on marth and kirby extremely light wieght are one of many for each. also, one of kirby's high knockback moves (down b) is very easy to deal with, and then can be taken advantage of, making it useless in most situations. smashwiki has a list of attributes for each character for each game, including thier strenghts and weaknesses. i suggest looking there if you are interested in what gimpy said.
bulby1994 1 year ago
what do you mean by "easily gimped in certain ways"? That's a nice point, all characters have weaknesses, If you learn them and work on them, you will actually be able to strengthen it, though you still will never make them perfect. Wise video ^^.
iLuvHinata360 1 year ago
Uh, Meta Knight has a weakness. Projectiles? Hello? MK has NONE and if you spam them you're sure to hit him sometime
CaptainDarthy 2 years ago
Everyone has weaknesses...
except CAPTAIN DOUGLAS JAY FALCON.
NeoTStyle 2 years ago 12
why cant i see anything but a brawl sign??? wtf
TheGunZAi 2 years ago
@TheGunZAi it's actually the smash symbol - not a "brawl" sign
also this video was recorded as just audio.
Gimpyfish62 2 years ago 8
Fail !
AnavrinSM64 2 years ago
My two fav Characters on Brawl are Sonic and Lucario, Wit Sonic you have to take advantage of his speed, speed is his main weapon, running aroud making hard to hit or make him unpredictable, and L:ucario, is more of a up close, he got strong attack, but most the time he as to fight up close, is best move is Counter down side , it takes someone to pyiscally attack which doesn't always work, Lucario is more of the work your opponents attacks against them
hypersaiyangoku 2 years ago
It really ddid help my ness game thanks
MarioLinkGenofan 2 years ago
who has many weaknesses l0l :P
slipknotfrenzy843747 2 years ago
aah how i love my low tier kirby =)
slipknotfrenzy843747 2 years ago
Melee is good and Brawl is good. U frekin Melee-only fan boys need to grow up. Brawl has things Melee doesn't. Yes, i like Melee more, but Brawl is good too. So get of this vid Brawl haters >:P
mrm64 2 years ago
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Odaril 2 years ago