Tarot was made for card games, not for divination

[Nighttrips]

Guess what....... WHO CARES! They are here to stay the way they are and are growing day in and day out in popularity. So go cry me a river.....

[tarot4games]

@Nighttrips Obviously YOU care! because your commenting on the tarot videos. Tarot will eventually change because of the internet. Tarot games are already played in europe and some americans are learning about tarot games and finding out that tarot isn't just fortune telling.

[witchcerridwen]

well not the future but it can tell you a lot about where are you going or if the road you choose is the bumpy road or the smooth road.or if some people are good or evil minded.it is for me a great help.and it makes me a great help to others.

[Chirno9Icefall]

This video is TRUTH! Excellente!

[MaxBlight]

so as a bible, made to scare kids, IDK but isisnt it hte same things we do?

[arialburnz]

Very interesting video and not far off from my own studies of the tarot. The important thing to remember about the Tarot - and ANY divination tool - is not necessarily their origins, but the outcome. Yes, they were originally created as a game. Tarot cards/clouds/runes/etc., in themselves, are not the fortune telling part. The human mind is. These tools are just the symbols the mind uses to tap into that universal consciousness. They're just tools.

That's my two pence...

Arial ;)

[SkeptiGamer]

@arialburnz Tarot cards are still used for games today in Europe it's just that Americans are kept ignorant about it. We Americans should be educated about tarot game playing instead of always thinking that tarot is always for divination.

[arialburnz]

True. I lived many years in Europe and there are a LOT of things Americans are ignorant about. Your video is very accurate and portrays the true history of the tarot cards. I'm not exactly sure why we need to be so focused on them as a game. I play a lot of games with the tarot AND I use them for divination. They're fun either way.

That's my two pence...

Arial ;)

[SkeptiGamer]

@arialburnz The games are enjoyable in their own right. There's already a lot of focus on tarot divination. Some focus on games is much needed.

[debrett100]

Ummmmmm! Great believer in all persons believing what they want to believe....I hasten to add that I am a student of the Traot and Esoteric teachings and have yet found anything that could possibly diminish the History of Tarot........Have you ever looked at Kabbala , it has a lot in common with the Tarot and thats over 4000 years old.

[SkeptiGamer]

I've seen the Kabbalah FAQ where they flatly deny any connections between Kabbalah and tarot cards!

[janityy]

Stupid exoteric sheeple video baaaaaaaaaaa

[janityy]

Stupid exoteric sheeple video baaaaaaaaaaa

[janityy]

Oudler and skeptigamer are exoteric sheeple who of course it is just a game to cause there dumb sheep and are trying to hide esoteric mystery of tarot. Oudler posts his bullshit on every tarot video. Weirdo. Of course I don't do reading that is exoteric for sheeple.  The real meaning is path of fool to sage esoteric truth egyptian initiate sage seer adept Led Zeppelin 4th album stairway to heaven. Hermit tarot card inside cover. Stay stupid and abusive we don't allow u at top of real pyramid

[philotaaveti]

the tarot is like a storage room of the mystical dregs of human history

[ToujoursLAmour]

pink floyd!

[RightBrainSane]

so the current cards are based on the set the duke had made by his "astrolger"? dont know if that means anything? it may be a stretch to assume those cards were somewhat designed with astrolgy in mind. seems odd to get your astrologer to help you with your playing card set?

[russocomedy]

Very nice. The video leads in the right direction, the study of the human psyche and greater understanding of ourselves. Entertaining the mind is tantamount to health and progress in human affairs. I think Tarot reflects this age old search. C.G. Jung is also a good lead for study.

[310616]

Good research!

Bet you can proove concentration camps during WW2 are a myth as well!

Keep up the good work!

[SkeptiGamer]

As a Jew, I think your comment is in bad taste.

[Tarockspieler]

Can you say Godwin?

[SkeptiGamer]

Carl Jung was a wack job! And tarot cards do not come from egypt.

[Cd186]

Actually regular playing cards were originally invented for divination purposes, it was called Cartomancy. Then they later became playing cards.

[ANIideas]

The earliest recorded use for playing cards was for card games and the term cartomancy was not coined until the 19th century.

[overseasmedia]

Tarockspieler: So do you feel like being "more educated" after watching this video?

[SkeptiGamer]

KeyIXTheHermit sent a message asking me to delete his/her comments. If pro-mystic means pro-censorship, then consider me anti-mystic! This confirms my opinion of tarot readers as enemies of truth. You want the truth deleted if it doesn't suit your purposes.

[clinicallydepressed]

It's called a straw man argument.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

Oops! When posting here, I forgot the maxim of a dear old friend, "My mind is made up, don't try to confuse me with facts." Neither of us will ever agree with the viewpoint of the other, which automatically makes my posts needlessly combative, as they are pro-mystic posts on an anti-mystic board. I should have just clicked away instead of being drawn in. My apologies to SkeptiGamer, et. al.; please delete my posts. I won't waste any more of your time and I appreciate your replies. Thank you.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

Dude, people use tea leaves, dice, the lines on your hand, thrown coins, the bumps on your head and anything else you can think of for divination. Tarot cards are just as good for this as other stuff. Besides, modern day tarot does more than "just" divination; it also serves as an introduction to spirituality. A sort of symbolic book, the pictures explain in a symbolic way the many beliefs of modern Mystic/Pagan/Wiccan. Anyway, why are you hatin'? I don't go around bashing on things YOU love.

[Tarockspieler]

Who is hating or bashing? This video is telling the truth about tarot's history. I play card games with tarot decks. This is the intended purpose of tarot and more people should be aware of it. The problem with divination is that the folks who do that often spread misinformation and stereotypes about tarot which is bad for gamers. You try to teach people a game and they think it's occult. It is time for more people to know the truth about tarot!

[KeyIXTheHermit]

But the truth IS well known, especially to those of us who love Tarot. There's nothing in this video you couldn't get by reading Stuart Kaplan or even Wikipedia... but the slant is negative, and there's no reason for it to be so. I like tea; it doesn't upset me when someone reads my fortune from tea leaves. I like my hand; it doesn't upset me when someone reads my palm. I use tarot for inspiration, not divination, and the symbols have meaning for me just as any beautiful work of art might.

[KeyIXTheHermit]

It might be noted, as an addendum, that normal old playing cards are used for divination, also... I hope my noting that doesn't mean I'm gonna find a bunch of videos on YouTube saying, "Playing Cards are not for Fortune Telling!" because, honestly, I'm pretty sure most of us know what playing cards are used for.

[Tarockspieler]

Yes, the truth is known by most of those doing tarot divination, but it is not all that well known by the general public. Most people outide the tarot scene still think they are only used for divination. The tarot divination industry has done a poor job of educating people. The same old lies are still being thrown around by corporate media. We are in a new century and people need to be better educated about these aspects of culture.

[OperationOssifrage]

Interesting video. Glad you reposted it.

[tarot4games]

Yes. It is good to spread accurate information about tarot history.

[overseasmedia]

tarot4games: Do you know the Tarot history? Could you please e so kind and share it with me, I would appreciate it a lot!

[GreatGarloo876]

Spot on, dude! Thanks to the net, the truth about the cards is FINALLY coming out. Ironically A.E. Waite, of all people, in his 1909 book said that it started as a game, there was no history before the 14th cent. and that origins from China, India, Egypt wherever was a load of B.S.

Cool music choices.

[SkeptiGamer]

This is a repost of a Lost History episode. I've posted it here as a response to the myths in that Origins video. I thought it would be a good place here. Yes the truth about tarot needs to come out.

[overseasmedia]

GreatGarloo876: Sir, you're an idiot. If you fail to understand something it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Sorry for being rude.

[GreatGarloo876]

Your beef ain't with me pal: "There is in fact no history prior to the fourteenth century. The deception regarding their origin in Egypt, India or China put a lying spirit into the mouths of the first expositors, and the later occult writers have done little more than reproduce the first false testimony in the good faith of an intelligence unawakened to the issues of research." - A.E.

Waite, Pictorial Key to the Tarot

[overseasmedia]

GreatGarloo876: Hi there, I am sorry for being rude, I was so stressed, have to deal with Tarot project for nat. TV and am completely at a loss, please forgive me for losing my temper. About the cards, it's notthat simple as it seems.

[Oudler]

The Monopoly game has 22 properties on the board. Why is that? What do you think?

[SkeptiGamer]

Good reply! Doesn't anyone know the meaning of coincidence?

[shoggoth]

Coincidence eh.

[overseasmedia]

Oudler: and what DO YOU THINK? Why?

[Oudler]

This video is a re-post. This video is also factual. I'm not passing judgement on divination but people played games with Tarot long before they used it for divination. People still play card games with Tarot decks. It'mainly popular in Europe and I think it's time for more Americans to know about playing card games with Tarot. I think our culture would benefit. Divination is not evil, but it has been done to death. It's time for Tarot games to become better known.

[overseasmedia]

Oudler: That's very interesting information, I lived 10 years in Europe and I never met people playing Tarot cards, by any chance do you know the name of the game they're playing? Thanks in advance,I'd appreciate that info a lot, I'm currently involved in "tarot" documentary, and I'm completely lost (can't find any reliable information)

[Oudler]

The French game is most popular and they use a deck that's different from what is used in divination. There are others played in central Europe called "Tarock" Information in English has become easier to find. Simply Google, "French Tarot" Tarock or "Tarot game"

[vidmaster75]

Oudler: Ok, I will have a look, thank you very much!

[GreatGarloo876]

Actually, the game deck is structurally identical to the divination deck. 78 cards comprised of four suits with Kings, Queens, Knights and Valets. A fifth suit of 21 trumps and a fool ("excuse"). Over the years, the imagery on game decks has departed from the occult decks but originally they were the same. The game was played with a Marseilles type deck in previous centuries and is still played with such a deck in some areas, as in the Swiss game of Troccas which uses the "1JJ" deck.

[overseasmedia]

GreatGarloo876: not that simple as it seems to be,there are many things (objects)which appeared in the Mid. centuries, (e.g. the Shroud of Turin, Qabbalah, the "Book of "Abraham", Tarot) Are they all have to be dated to the mid centuries? Well, I suppose you know the answer. Tarot does have its history, yes, the cards were used for the games, and at the beginning were ignored by Catholic church,

[overseasmedia]

GreatGarloo876:(3) but later Tarot are claimed to come from "Devil", in Spain they destroy the oldest deck (which BTW appeared in Europe before Italian "Tarocci", i.e. in the XII-XIII centuries)

[overseasmedia]

Thanks a lot for the explanation!

[tuberich60]

The hebrew alphabet has 22 characters, the Tarot 22 cards (trumps). Why is that? What do you think?