OXFORD UNION 2

[mikesinghable]

Hello my friend.Calm dowm propaganga is shit.Are you the next guru.dont bring the holocaust in it was a means to power NOT CAPITALISM.fimd a scapegoat.

[yanovkaa]

great joker that brar is!

[jumpnjza2]

Stylish Nehru jacket he's wearing.

[babreumetal]

Socialismo é a redução da jornada de trabalho para acabar com o desemprego. Socialismo é a organização do povo trabalhador para produzir tudo o que for necessário para o país e além disso produzir excedentes para a troca solidária com pátrias irmãs. Organização popular em cada vila, em cada província, em cada distrito. Produção em alta de tecnologia acessível para o povo justamente porque a jornada de trabalho foi reduzida e existe mais tempo para o estudo e pesquisa.

[katalina125]

Are some people in the audience allergic to him? are they being rude ? or are they really sick? IT is just that there are so many people coughing .

[ProletarianCPGBML]

mix of english winter and unhealthy students, with perhaps some rudeness thrown in! Oxford, afte

[TheNomadicMonad]

People should read:

Stalin and the Struggle for Democracy

[gallonsofmilk]

STATISM IS NOT A SOLUTION!

[SkepticsRock]

But neither is capitalism a solution that provides

[gallonsofmilk]

Oh, I couldn't agree more. But in my view, Statist Communism = Statist Capitalism = National Corporatism.. Libertarian Communism is a solution, and reactionary Stalinism and Maoism is absolutely no solution.

[SkepticsRock]

I love it when the intellectual labels everything. Being a socialist and having worked for the "cause" of equality for many years,It still amazes me that you split hairs. Starlin was a dictator who held power by force just like Lenin and they both murdered millions to bring about utopia. Learn from the PAST-What are you going to do with the millions of people who disagree with your idea, send them for re-education. Practical socialism works , as it is being seen all over South America

[denizcabuldeniz]

marx,lenin,mao

[veryvela]

Capitalism and Socialism both cant work on their own.....there has to be a mix

[xEVILxEMOKID]

Uh no mr OBama voter

[gladiator1010]

We only have a monopoly because of the government intervention in the marketplace through the Fed....If too much government is causing all the monopolisitc problems (military-industrial complex etc.) then how can socialism ever work..Russia had 100% unemployment..everyone worked for the government and everyone was broke..We haven't followed the Constitution for at least a century..this is what happens..socialism doesn't happen overnight..it just appears overnight

[simplex555]

Why is old Harpo dressed as a vicar in this one?

[ProletarianCPGBML]

I think you'll find that this is indian national dress

[crazylawstudent]

I enjoyed how people were consistently laughing out loud while he was trying to describe how wonderful Stalin was. Glad they're not buying it either.

[Cosplay2003]

Why should I care if most people will never reconsider Stalin? As long as people TODAY know the correct line when they see it, I have no problems with it.

[melsvor]

excellent work!

[amsterdam78]

I like what he had to say, although as a modern Trotskyist, I only wish the Stalinists would let the rivalry go because even in their view, Trotsky had to add something to the revolution. I just refuse to accept the propaganda of the Moscow Trials. I still give the Russian people credit for what Stalin took credit for, but ultimately Stalin didn't do much to actually help the revolution in the end.

[Cosplay2003]

Why are the Moscow Trials and the "old" Bolsheviks such a central theme in the Trotskyist narrative? What about the common people and economic achievements of the USSR? And how can you say Stalin didn't do much when maybe half the world during the Cold War was coming into the camp of socialism? (And no, the post-WW2 situation in East Europe was far more historically complicated than just "red imperialism".)

[amsterdam78]

Because Stalin lied and exterminated all the true followers of Lenin. Trotsky would never have sent the USSR into a 1 man dictatorship, clogged by bureaucratic despotism. The positives from the Stalinist USSR are due to the People of Russia, not Stalin. If anything, his "assistance" to the communist international; is to make it almost impossible for socialists and communists everywhere. Stalinism weakened true Marxist theory. And don't get me started on his "socialism in one country" idea.

[Cosplay2003]

*rolls eyes*

I guess Trots automatically identify "true followers" as anyone who came in after 1917 rather than from the beginning. (not that old equals good) Even you must realize Bukharin was the USSR'S Deng Xiaoping? As for the USSR's achievements, credit goes to the people AND the system in place. And what was that system? A "deformed worker's state"? Give me a break.

[Cosplay2003]

Funny how "Socialism in One Country" spreads faster than Trotskyism too, which might as well be Socialism in Zero Countries.

[amsterdam78]

Stalinist scum. The only thing Stalin did was shoot all the true Leninists, and derail the revolution.

[Rawkage86]

If derailing led to a super-power workers state with historically unequaled socialist reforms of free-education, 100% employment, free-healthcare, empowerment of women, and huge rises in life-expectancy - and then went on to spread revolution across half the globe - I would hate to imagine what this supposed 'original course' was.

(Btw, Trotsky wasn't a Leninist.)

[amsterdam78]

"Btw, Trotsky wasn't a Leninist"

Now I know your talking out of your ass.

"The revolution without Trotsky is unthinkable." -Lenin

[moronchicken]

Not true. However, I agree with you on Stalinism. He failed in the interests of civil liberties, which is imperative in true communism. Long live Marxism.

[danielshacalis]

Yes I agree, he did fail civil liberties and may I add he also went contradictory to his own ideas in fact. Thats what Harpal does not mention or even the Trostkyist movement says. However, when people discuss Stalin I think it is one thing to talk about what happened during his rule and its another to look at the ideas he had.

[MarxBakuninMe]

How exactly can "socialism in one country" spread?

[Cosplay2003]

Socialism in One Country means that socialism can be built in one country. It doesn't say anything about it staying there. In practice it does not contradict internationalism - it only asserts that an established socialist nation is a base for further revolution and it avoids the crackpot and idealist "permanent revolution", which believes that everyday, everywhere, at the same time is a good time for a revolution. Doesn't history prove things are much more complicated?

[Cosplay2003]

Context, Amsterdam78? It sounds like a reference to Trotsky's role in the Civil War. By the way, Lenin had a good deal of quotes full of the harshest, humiliating stabs on Trotsky too (I'll fetch them for you when I have more time), so it might as well not prove anything.

[Cosplay2003]

And like every any good Trot, I'm sure you'll smear the efforts of the USSR to assist revolutions and anti-fascist struggles in China and Spain, but I don't have time for this right now. Be back later.

[ProletarianCPGBML]

@MarxBakuninMe erm... by successive revolutions in different existing national states, where particular material conditions prevail that lead to the possibility of emancipating workers of that state.