Wow dude, is your life's ambition to destroy the Jehovah's Witnesses? Im not a JW but even I can see how you search so hard to find a flaw in their association. Honestly its really sad.
That is because these men do not know what they are talking about, they really dont have a clue. The solid foundations are v crumbly. So of course they contradict themserlves. Ive come by just this same thing in many WT magazines. Blatant contradictions. This is because there is no authentic origin, no source- its all manufactured fakeness. The truth will eventually be revealed. And it isnt the "truth" thats for sure.
People outside the truth don't know what they are talking about. Yet, they try and act all smart and try to disprove the truth of which they cannot! There is nothing in this clip that disproves anything. Jehovah's Witnesses will be the ones left over on the earth living forever in paradise earth, because of their giving their youth for Jehovah and not wasting away their life and time for this world and the things in it. That is everything Jesus was teaching about.
You don't realize that the people in Gods organization is lead by God himself so how could Jehovah's people be placing their trust in the organization alone?People that are in the truth know what other Witnesses are talking about.They don't place their trust in the world and the things in it.The world is filled with Satan misleading ways.Jehovah's organization cannot be part of that world as it is brought to the world from Jehovah himself using certain men with a "needing truth" heart condition.
This speaker reminds me of the March 1979 Watchtower. The front cover boldly stated that all JWs should "Put Faith in the Organization," though they did insert the word, "Victorious," the point was still cleverly cemented in the hearts & minds of the WTBS rank & file.
As stated, the JWs don't seem to notice that while the speaker tells them not to trust in their own heart, he tells them to trust in the WTBS.
"DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST IN nobles, nor in the son of earthling man..." Psalms 146:3 NWT
There are many studies and lessons Jehovah's Witnesses have. We learn all the time that Jehovah God is our Father in heaven, and that he is leading us as his people.He teaches us very well from the bible.The bible warns not to believe in the philosophies of men (example:theory of evolution, holidays) and other teachings of men.This is what this talk is really about.The man who made this video just ASSUMED it meant what HE thought.21 Crosscheck is only GUESSSING!Galatians 4:9,Colossians 2:8,21-23
There is absolutely NO CONTRADICTION here. The man who made this video is playing with words without ANY understanding of what we are learning. He could go 'twist' any sermon of any religion! UNLESS he knows what JW's ALL KNOW, that Jehovah God is behind his witnesses on earth. Just as MOSES led the Israelites thousands of years ago, Jehovah uses faithful men to lead his people today! We are Jesus' true, modern disciples-Matthew 24:45-47, 25:31-46, 1 Thessalonians 5:12, Hebrews 13:17,20,21,24
GOD SAYS HE HAS A SON.Jesus said he's God's Son-Matthew 3:17,Mark 9:7,Psalms 2:7,Luke 9:35,Prov.8:22.DEMONS,expelled said he's Son of God-Luke 4:41.Matt.8:29, Mark3:11.Others said he's Son-John1:14,49,3:17,5:18,36,6:46,10:36,Mark15:39,Matthew 26:63,27:40. Hebrews10:29,4:14.An angel said he's Son-Luke1:35.Jehovah God is Jesus' God-John15:1,16:3,30,20:17, Matt.26:26,36-44,64,Mark15:34,Ephesians1:17.Son=Mediator-1Timothy 2:5,Heb.1:3,4,8:6,9:15,12:24, Romans1:4,8,9,Acts7:55,56.
my family think i'm stupid because i use the net to do my research when my doubts came from the reasoning book and the faithful and the discreet slave i came to realize are just regular people going by there own beliefs i seen things on tv books the net and all they did was just prove to be true but tv ,the net books are all the devil according to jws if we are to know the truth we are suppose to test everything but once you become a jw you are closed off from all thinking and knowledge
If you have not been told the truth, so you believe a lie, it does not make you stupid. Before the flood Noah did not preform miricles (sorry about the spelling) but he was telling the truth, and the people should have listened to him, he had Jehaovah's guidence. That being said, following the Governing Body because we believed they were guided by God because they told us some things that we researched and found to be true is not stupid. It is an incorrect desicion, based on lies, not stupidi
I do not know why people are saying JWs do not think for themselves, just because they believe. I think critically all the time. I became a JW because I learned that there are a lot of lies in the other religions. I didn't find out about the lies of these religions until now (I can't help the 1975 thing, I wasn't alive).
I think, I am not a stupid person. I get almost all As in college, and I haven't even been to elementary school! Someone who ignores the truth doesn't think...
If you are reading this, you have doubts. Don't take my word for it, research this. You will find that the Watchtower is purposefully lying. Remember in time Jehovah will help us find the real truth. All of the years after the apostles died, until the Watchtower society came along, God had to have true worshippers, even if they were all alone they were true worshippers. Enoch was alone, but he was a true worshipper of God. We can be too, even without the Watchtower; Jehovah isn't with them
If we love truth, and we love Jehovah God and Christ Jesus, we must not be too proud to admit we were wrong. We were tricked! We can be like Paul, and leave behind the wrongdoers who are unrepentant, and try to find the truth. I do not know what the truth is about God yet, but I now know that the Watchtower society are not guided by Jehovah's Holy Spirit, because Jehovah is truth and light, not darkness. I have just learned about the lies two days ago. I am going to disassociate myself.
Yes, I went to the forbidden websites of apostates. I have been praying over and over for Jehovah to make me want to go to the meetings, make me understand why the elders and most other JWs I know care nothing about me, so that I can change to be a better person.
Jehovah has answered my prayers. He helped me to see that the Watchtower did lie, and say the end was comming in 1975, and then said everyone who accussed them were liars.
They claim the society told them the world would end in 1975. I was not born back then, but all the witnesses that were JWs at the time told me that it was a lie, and our literature says they are lying. Even at meetings, assemblies, and conventions we are told they never said that. We are told they merely said it was possible, but the JWs were being persumptuous. I believed them; but when I found out the other badness I researched it...
I thought they watered down the denunciation of the UN because it might put off newcomers, I didn't realize they were promoting it. If they told lies about that, what else have they lied about?
Even then, I thought, well some wrongdoing is going on, but they could disfellowship the unrepentant brothers responsible and clean Jehovah's organization.
But, then I thought about how many ex-witnesses talk abou leaving in 1975.
You can access the UN's library online. Before 9/11 you could go to the library without being a member too. The Watchtower society lied! They only even admitted it after they were found out, and they do not seem truely repentant; instead they make excusses. Besides, is a library card a good reason to join?
They had to go to UN meetings, how could they not know they were required to promote the UN. I have noticed before this that the denounciation of the UN has been watered down.
Then, I saw underneath the news article where people could leave comments. They were talking about the Watchtower organizations association with the UN. This cannot be true, it is a lie that I can prove is false, right?
I guess I wasn't at the meeting when that letter was read (or more likely the elders were to embarrassed to read it, because I barely missed meetings back then). But it is true. There is evidence that they did not do it to get a library card..
He became an apostate. So, I thought this is how pretty much all apostates were. Of course, I wanted to stay away from that.
Yet, with the elders flip-flopping, and trying to be controlling about unBiblical things (especially a recent Bethelite), maybe some of these other things are true. Maybe the end is very, very, near, and Jehovah is trying to purge the "fake" JWs out of the organization. So, I read an online news article (not apostate) about the child molestation cover-ups.
They also found out that he has accused of trying to sexually harrass teenage girls at another hall. The elders warned him about questionable behavior, but he was rude and continued to act that way. So, they wouldn't let him go out in service. I know this because the elders asked all of the sisters to meet them in the library one day, and they told us to never leave the kids alone with him, and to never be alone with him ourselves, even at the hall, and this was why.
one of these guys was an unbaptized publisher at one time, but he wasn't allowed to go out in service anymore because he was a pervert! He made sexual advances at the brother who studied with him, so he rufused to study with him. Another brother started studying with him, and he did the same thing to him. He also got caught over and over again, trying to get little toddlers alone in back rooms at the hall. The elders at that congregation found out he was in prison before for rape...
I assumed "apostate" material was spiritual pornography, and I didn't want to defile my mind with it.
I had ever reason to believe apostates were bad, after all an apostate spit in a brothers face, and yelled and threathened us, for no reason when I was a teen. There were also drunken, homeless, street preachers, that were paid (by men wearing "Watch Out for the Watchtower") to "preach" against us while we were doing street witnessing...
He said we don't help "worldly" people because they never appreciate it! I thought this was a crazy attitude, but I thought: "no one is perfect."
thought.
But, I keep hearing JWs say crazier and crazier things. I have been seeing things on the internet, the news, and newspapers that claim we are doing bad things. I never read these things before because the Governing Body tells us not to.
I didn't think it was weird that they told us not to, because I assumed these things were lies..
Won't that be a witness to them? They told me I was naieve. Later, when I was out in service I met a family with a very old man who was interested in reading JW literature. I took the literature to him. One day he told me that he haden't barely eaten anything, and he had almost nothing to eat, until they got theit SS checks in a few days. So, I made them three days worth of meals and took it to them. When an elder in the service group found out about it, he made fun of me.
Well, I have been noticing more and more crazy things. Some of the elders laughed in my face when I suggested going to help look for survivors and clean up where a tornado took place (this was about the same time I started having doubts 1 1/23 years ago), because they already checked and there were no JW victims. I asked why they had to be JWs for us to help them? They said our time is better spent in the ministry. I said we can give them magizines to read later, won't helping them be a witn
They never invite me anywhere because my husband isn't a witness, but before I was married in the other congregation I was a pioneer and I wasn't invited then. But the rich JWs who have a boat were, even though they onlky go out in service about twice a year, and barely go to the meetings. They sisters that wear the revealing clothes were invited. They married brothers who flirt with other sisters were invited. But I wasn't invited because my family isn't spiritually mined?
I just didn't care anymore to prove to the brothers that I went out in service, as long as Jehovah knew; so if I wasn't at the meeting when we had to turn in the time I didn't care. I have been feeling this way for the last few months.
I just didn't understand how a brother from Bethel could tell me unscriptual things, and trick the other brothers to do the same. How can others at the hall be so rude to me? Many of them are not pioneers, even though they have elder dads.
Then, after all that happened I I dreaded going to the meeting. If I'm feeling bad, or have a whole lot of homework I would skip. I don't care what the other JWs think, because I can never be good enough for them, and I'm treated unlovingly.
Yet, I never stopped going to the meetings all together, I still studied, and I barely go out in service (except for writing letters, telephone witnessing, and witnessing to classmate).
I moved and changed congregations. I went to some of the meetings at the new hall, but I got sick (almost as bad as I was when I was hospitalized) and missed about four meetings in a row, and I noticed the snubbery there too. I use to force to go to the meeting when I was sick (as long as I could function), I would go to the meeting and in service, even if it meant I had to stay up all night to do my homework for college, just so I wouldn't miss.
A few of the sisters visited me and brought food, the elders did not seem to care at all that I almost died. Yet, they bragged on the stage about taking care of the fellow sich JW, and used me as an example.
I was sick afterwards a lot (but not enough to be hospitalized), but to sick to go to the meetings. When I went back, I could tell everyone just thought I missed because I was "unspiritual.' They either snubbed me, or felt sorry for me...
The brother that studied with my husband didn't speak to me after that for about six months, now he acts like nothing ever happened.
I couldn't afford to pay the rent, so I had no choice but to take my husband back. He still is occassionally abusive, but not nearly to the same degree. I know it can always change back to the way it was. We have four kids now too.
Also, I have always had bad health, but I eventually got deathly ill, and I was hospitalized several times.
We met secretly, and we told each other what they said to us both. We knew these things were unscriptual, but we assumed Jehovah would eventually set things straight. We aggreed to not hang out or talk to each other anymore, so that she would not be hasseled by the brothers. I never told the other sisters what happened, because I didn't want to cause thjem to be ostrsized.
Ever since then that one brother from Bethel greets me with a fake smile, and I force myself to answer.
I actually had wrote a letter to the Watchtower society to tell them what was happening; but when the brothers appologized, I thought Jehovah had answered my prayers (I prayed to Jehovah about whether or not to send it, because I didn't want to turn the brothers and sisters against one another. Anyway, one of the sisters asked what happened (she was scolded for letting me use her phone to call the shelter, and she was accused of leaving her husband without ground, which wasn't true)...
They also appologized if the other brothers overstepped the line. They also told me that I could decide to stay or leave, and that they would no longer threaten to disfellowship me. The mean brother from Bethel came to my house later, and said he would help me in any way he could. Well, I needed $20 for gas to go on some job interview and I told him that. To my surprise he gave it to, and told me I didn't even have to give it back (although I did give it back later).
My husband had an ex-girlfriend, who was married and had four kids; she left her family in Washington, to come to move in with my husband when the judge kicked him out of the house.
Well soon after I moved into our house, my husband threw her out of the place he was staying, and he begged me to return to him, and he said he would not finalize the divorce.
Well, the brothers that visited me in my house appologized to me if they hurt my feelings themselves (which they didn't),...
My husband had the nerve to file for divorce when I was gone. I was relived, because they stopped saying I would be disfellowshipped if I didn't return. A judge kicked my husband out of the house, so that my kids and I could live in it, because the shelter only lets women stay in it for a month.
Some other elders came to my house, told me the other elders told them about the situation.
Anyway, I was threatened that I would be disfellowshipped, or at least put on public reproof if I didn't return to my husband. I was also told that if it came to their attention that I spoke to the other sisters about my situation with my husband again I would be disfellowshipped, or put on public reproof. They also said the sisters I got talking top about it could get on public reproof for talking to me about it. They said that this would be proof that we are rebellious, and disruptive.
Besides, the point of the account of Job is that we will have to suffer many things, but we should not blame Jehovah, and we should paitiently endure problems, while waiting on deliverence from Jehovah.
I also noted that there are other sisters that they themselves know that have married unbelievers, but they are not abused; why isn't Jehovah punishing them? Also, there are sisters that have always been faithful to Jehovah that are abused; is Jehovah punishing them?
I also mentioned that Job was blessed at first, and everything was later taken away from him. Some people do not start out with a blessed life, but they still may suffer many problems at once, including: "injustices, sickness, the death of loved ones, persecution for serving God, poverty, problems from natural disaster and war. I told them it was unreasonable and unloving to downplay other people's suffering because they have not suffered exactly the same things job did.
I asked how that was almost blasphymous, I wasn't comparing myself to Jehovah, or even comparing myself to Jesus or a prophet. He tried to tell me know one else in the history of mankind has ever suffered as much as Job. I told him that I know Job's situation is unusual because Satan was directly persecuting him to test his loyalty to Jehovah. However, other people besides Job have, and do, suffer, some probably just as badly, just by chance (some faithful to God, and some not)...
If they have Jehovah's spirit, why should I not think Jehovah forgave me. I study, I give student talks, I auxilliary pioneer a few times a year, I teach my kids about Jehovah, and I even convenced an abusive husband to study about Jehovah. If I do these things, why should they presume I am being punished by Jehovah. I told them they were being like Job's false friends.
One brother said that statment is almost blasphymous, because I was comcaring myself to job, who wasin a special case
I said that Jehovah allows you to suffer ther consequences of our sins, mine being marrying a "worldly" person, but we are not suppose to accuse Jehovah of testing us, by punishing us harshly for sins he supposedly forgives us for.
They said I was presumptuous for assuming Jehovah forgave me. I said I really was sorry, I prayed to Jehovah for repentence, I confessed to the elders, and after prayer they decided to only reprove me. So, if the elders at that hall have Jehovah's spirit...
My husband told me that he treats me the way he does so that I'll be afraid to cheat on him, and so I woluldn't go to the meeting or out in service. I told them, I am not cheating, all that I do that he doesn't like is serve Jehovah. I can't stop serving Jehovah.
They also told me that my husband was abusing me because this was Jehovah's way of punishing me for leaving his organization for two years, as I already mentioned I did.
I cooked meals, and kept the house clean (sometimes it was messy, I am a full-time college student with at the time three, now four kids). That is another thing, the brothers told me I shouldn't go to college, but I was enrolled in an excellerated 2-year program, so that I could have enough money to support my husband if I left my husband. We also got evicted at one point, because the restaurant my husband worked at closed down. After that, they never said much about the college...
Besides, I wasn't looking to get married any time soon, I was just trying to escape abuse. Everytime I started to say anything that disagreed with his Oppinions, he started to have a very nasty tone, even yelling a few times. He and the brother that studied with my husband later tried to tell me that if I was being abused it was my own fault, for being a bad wife. I asked them, why would he want me back if I was a bad wife? I was submissive, I never cheated, I dressed modestly,...
to him in Jehovah's eyes. I told him that I knew, based on the scriptures, that as long as I didn't have sex with another man, I was not sinning in Jehovah's eyes. Besides, I mentioned that if my husband cheated on me often while we were together, I knew he would cheat on me when I was gone, and brag about it. I said that if the brothers did not want to accept the proof I had, I only file for separation, and only file for divorce when they felt I had enough proof.
I told him, that I even got violently raped many times, for refusing to consentually have sex with my husband, just because I was planning an escape and I wanted to have grounds so that I could file for divorce immediately. He told me that a husband cannot rape a wife, because the Bible says that a wife should not withhold sex from her husband. By refusing to have sex with my husband, I was sinning. I told him that when my husband cheated on me, and I didn't forgive him, I was not married...
I admitted that the other girl wasn't a witness, but she divorced her husband because of it. He said that might count as proof, but if it hadn't happened within a day or two of me leaving, I forgave him. I assured him that I had not forgiven him, because he wasn't even sorry. I assured him that I hadn't had consentual sex with my husband since he cheated either, because I had been planning to leave. I didn't leave earlier because I didn't have a car before (I still didn't have money, job...
He told me that if two brother, but not sisters (because sisters may lie for their friend), saw their husband comming out of a known prostitute's housde this would be proof. I told him that my husband and a friend of his once picked up some girls from a strip club, took them to a motel, and had sex with them. I caught them telling lies after it happened, and they were so drunk they stupidly told me everything. I told the other guy's wife, they admitted it to her too. They weren't even sorry.
I also told him that my husband has continually cheated on me. He told me I had to prove it. I asked him what proof was. He said that at least two people, besides myself (because as his wife I might lie), had to eye-witness it! How would that happen? I informed him that that is not true, because I have know people, including my mom, who had grounds for a scriptual divorce, on much less evidence.
He said I could get disfellowshipped or at the very least publically reproved for having a rebellious attitude. He told me that divorce on the grounds of abuse is unscriptual. I told him that I had not filed for divorce or separation, I was just at the shelter. I would have to file for separation eventually to get child support though. I reminded him that abuse is grounds for a separation, again he said the abuse was just "aledged."
He admitted that he never even talkedto them about their situations, he heard about it from other elders. He proceeded to tell me details about other sister's personal lives, and tried to use what he said about them as proof that they were "fake" witnesses (they weren't even bad things, they were claims of abuse the sisters made." He also told me that if I didn't return to my husband, or at least give him the address and the phone number of the shelter I was being defiant toward him...
He told me that the sisters that left their husbands, left without scriptual grounds for divorce or separation, so I should not listen to them. He also mentioned that one sister I had recently talked to is on her second "unscriptual"marriage. I asked him why she was not disfellowshipped if she remarried a brother, after an unscriptual devorce. He never answered. I also told him that those sisters told me they had scriptual reasons for leaving, and they are in good standing.
I was shocked! I talked to the brother that was our new presiding overseer, who just came from Bethel. He said my husband told that brother I was cheating, and he believed that it was probably true, otherwise why would he say it. He also said that while I said my husband abused me, it was just my word against my husband's. He also told me that even if my husband abused me it was probably my own fault for not being a good enough wife. He told me that I should go back and be more submissive.
They confronted those sisters and accused them of tricking me into leaving my husband without just cause because they were bitter about their marriages. I talked to the brothers later, they told me that thesed sisters were "Jezzabels" that the book of Revelation spoke of that could a "rebellious" and "divisive" influence on the congragation. They said I was being "brainwashed" by these sisters, and I "refused to think for myself."
So, when my husband called and asked him if he had any idea where I was, he told them that he saw them go in and out of the bathroom with me, so they might know where I was. He told my husband what those sisters look like, what vehicles they drove, and their addresses. I told him before that if he ever came looking for me to not tell him where I was if he knew, and not to tell him where any of the friends live, becauser my husband might find them and harrass them, or find me and hurt me...
For the first time, I felt like some one understood me, and cared about me. I told them I was afraid that my husband would eventually kill me, or I would kill him in self defense, so I wanted to leave. I used one of their phones in the restroom to cal some domestic violence shelters, and I found somewhere to stay. One of the sisters gave me some gas money to get to the shelter. Well, the elder that studied with my husband knew I was in the bathroom with those sisters...
They told me that they left to be safe, and if I wanted to leave they would help me find a shelter to stay at, and that I could always talk to them. They told me that is I stayed with him that would be fine with them too. They said that they knew they could not leave even though other people told them to at first, because they could not afford to and for several other reasons. They said they would support me if I stayed or if I left, and they went through the same thing.
She told me not to try to hid what was wrong. Another sister soon came to the bathroom to check on me too. She told me that I did not have to feel embarrassed if i had a problem. Then she told me about how her JW husband was abusing her and cheating on her, and she left him, and changed halls. The other sister told me about her abusive JW husband too, and how she has do escape. Then they asked me to tell them what was wrong with me. I told them. They never told me to leave him.
He was choking me at one point, and once I felt I was about to pass out he let go and proceeded to try to rape me, until my kindergardener walked in, so he let me go. Latter that day, and the next morning he acted like nothing ever happened. I went to the meeting, but I was so upset I went into the bathroom and sobbed. A sister came into the bathroom, I tried to wipe by tears and pretend to be okay. She said she came to the bathroom because she could tell something was wrong...
We got my oldest kid out of kindergarten, and my husband was waiting at the school for me. He saw a brother was with us sisters, and he threw a fit. When I got home (he followed us the whole way there), he verbally and physically abused me. He called the brother who was studying with him and lied, and said I was cheating on him with the brother that was with us. I didn't even barely know that brother. My husband distroyed things, and tore up the house...
Eventually, my husband started studying, but he was still being abusive and cheating, on and off. One night he agreed I could go out in service with a sister new in the hall the next morning. The next morning he changed his mind, and he said he didn't want me to go. He finally said I could go, but he still threw a fit. When I came back from field service, he had locked me out of the house. So, the sister and I spent the day together, later other JWs that she knew came with us...
I told these knew brothers about my situation with my husband (you see he would bardge into the meetings, or sit in the car to spy on me at the meeting, and do other weird things, because he wanted to mack sure I wasn't cheating on him (he is controlling, and paranoid). They initially told me I had the right to separate from my abusive husband, and if I ever had proof of cheating I could devorce him and remarry (as long as I didn't have consential sex with him after I had proof of cheating)...
So, I went to a shelter again to protect her from my husband). These sisters got taken intob judicial meetings for helping me, and I did too, for accepting their help. We didn't get disfellowshipped or put on reproof, just lectured over and over again (the sisters for being busybodies, and me for being a user). Without help I had to go back to my husband, we had to move, and so I went to a new hall. everyone was nice at first, but they became snobs soon after.
From any of the witness, because that would be a burden to them. Even though I never asked them for such help I agreed. Eventually, some sisters that had experienced abuse in relationships before themselves, noticed the signs, confronted me about it, and offered me help {they took my to the shelter, bought diapers on food for the kids, took me to the walfare office to get food stamps (one even let me stay with her, but I left after a few days because my husband found out where she lived.
I had to go to domestic violence shelters many times, but I always came back to him because I couldn't financially support my kids without his help. Over the years, my husband has gotten less, and less abusive. He is still abussive sometimes, and has a new fling about every 4-6 months. I told the brothers, and asked them to pray with me, so that Jehovah's spirit could help me to know what to do. They always told me I couldn't get a place to stay, or money, or babysitting for the kids...
Abusing me verbally, physically, and even sexually, about a month and a half after we got married. He was also cheating on me on and off, with different women right from the beginning of the marriage. he bragged about pretending to be a nicew guy so that I would marry him, and he would brag about how smart he was. He threatened to kill me all the time too. I kept having kids, because he dosen't let me have any say in what happens to my body (I wanted to have kids to, but not with an abuser)
The brothers were nice to me, and I was only put on reproof. Yet, I am married to a non-believer, and we are poor [He supported his family as a kid too so he didn't have an education. I was homeschooled by my mom (but I was to read and my education stopped when I was 6 years old). So, almost no one at the hall cares about me (except for about 4 people), they treat me like trash most of the time. But I still thought it was somehow my fault. My husband started abusing me...
we got married immediately, because I didn't want to have sex without being married. I got pregnant right away, and I couldn't imagine my child not loving Jehovah, and dying at armageddon, just because I refused to go to back to the organization out of shame. So, I went to the elders (we lived in a different state than I use to) and had to tell men I didn't know every single sin I had committed since I left the organization.
I started sleeping with him. The whole time it bothered my conscious, but I thought, at least we are getting married soon. But, he was young, and said that while he loved me he wasn't sure he wanted to make such a big committment, and so he wanted us to just contine to live together. I told him my conscious bothered me, and either we were getting married or I was leaving. So, we broke up. I was still to ashamed to go to the meeting. I got involved with another guy, and we...
I assumed I was just not good enough for Jehovah to love me, because if he loved me his people would not treat me this way. The truth is, I was trying as hard as I could to be a good person. So, I thought since I was unworthy of God's love why even try anymore. So, the next day when the guy I let kiss me said that he loved me and wanted to marry me I agreed. His parents were losing their house, so he and his brothers moved in with other relatives. he moved into the room with me, and I..
My mom got kicked out of the house since she didn't have my brother and I to pay the rent (dumb move). I talked to an elder that said he believed I only kissed the guy, and he could convence the other elders not to disfellowship mew for that, but if I lived with an unmarried couple I would be thought of as condoning their fornication, and I would be either disfellowshipped or put on public reproof for that, unless I could move in the next day or two. Well, I didn't have the money too...
So, the guy came to my house. He asked his parents if I could sleep in his room for a few days, while he slept on the couch. They agreed. A few days later I moved in with his brother and his girlfriend because they had an empty bedroom, and they could barely pay rent (I paid money to stay there, I didn't have enough money to live on my own). My mom soon kicked my brother out "for disrespecting her", aka. not washing the dishes, and she kicked my sister out (who got pregnant)...
Everyone already treated me like I was nothing, because my mom didn't go to the meetings, my dad had been disfellowshipped before I was born, I didn't have other witness family, and I was poor. I didn't think they would believe that in a moment of weekness I let him kiss me (I was 20 years old, and had never even went on a date before). I started to call the anointed sister, I knew she loved me, but I didn't want to ask her for help because I knew they would be mad at her...
She acted like she was in the room! She said I was a follower of Satan, threw out all of my clothes, called the sisters that I usually went in service with and left messages on their phone that I was "leading a double life", I was a "fake witness," and I was "serving satan." She told them on the messages that she was warning them in case I asked to stay with them after she kicked me out of the house. Then she called that guy that I kissed and told him to find "his whore" a place to stay...
He knew I was suffering. One day, I let him kiss me. I felt so bad I cried, and told him I couldn't have anything to do with him anymore. I told the elders to (who were actually very forgiving and kind to me about it). My mom found out though. She believes the JW religion, and was baptized but hadn't been an active witness (and would have been disfellowshipped if she went to the hall because of her conduct). She insisted that I not only kissed him, but had sex with him too...
couldn't help but to be flattered. I refused to date him. The elder studying with him convenced him to study for himself, not me. Yet, this young man was the only person in the hall or at home that seemed to care about me (except for a sister who professed to be anointed). Because we worked next to each other, and he went to meetings, I saw this young man often. I shouldn't have, but eventually, I talked to him for a a few hours in the park accross the street from where we worked...
I though that if Jehovah loved me, He would not allow his people treat me this way. More than anything I wanted Jehovah to love me. So, I tried to do even more, building halls, taking care of elderly sisters, etc.. I thought I was proving to God that I loved him. But the rude attitude of others became unbarable. So, when I found ourt that a nice, smart, young man who was studying the Bible with a JW elder came to the meetings and started studying because he wanted to be near me I...
My brother and I were working long hours to support ourselves and our mother and little sister, we could barely pay the rent, and we didn't even have gas to use to cook or for heat, we didn't have a car, and we almost always had to eat at work (we worked in the fast food industry) because we could barely buy food! How could I get a car? Yet, I was constantly snubbed, and spoken of as a failure. I thought: "They can't all be wrong. I must not be good enough for Jehovah to love."...
I was supposedly bad association, since my family were not JWs. I was most likely a "Fake" JW." Despite the fact that I had exemplary conduct, walked from my home or work to attend meetings, and I was a pioneer. When I would ask other witnesses to give me a ride home after the meetings, because it was dark outside and I lived in a dangerous neighborhood I was critisized for "using the brothers and sisters," and being "immature" because I didn't save money to get a car...
But most of the JWs were very unloving to me. I was working full-time and often even over-time hours to financially support my family (which most teens do not have to do, but I did), and pioneering. Yet, somehow I was never good enough for most of the JWs. They would have parties all the time, and purposely talk about it in front of me, but then give me excusses as to why I was not invited. Later my true JW friends would tell me how they said I was not invited because...
As I grew into a teen, and young adult, I was a zealous regular axilliary pioneer (who usually got 80 a month in the ministry), I became a full time pioneer eventually. I was eximplary in conduct from the time I started attending the meetings, until I was about 20 years old.
I must admit that I got into trouble at that age, and stopped attending meetings for two years. There were a few JWs that were ernest in thier love for everyone, including me...
a brother who served at Bethel for over twenty years became the Presiding Overseer told me many things that I know go against the Bible, and even against the Watchtower organization.
I must tell you that I learned about Jehovah when I was 11 years old. At that age I started attending meetings, going out in service, and of course I studied regularly. I got baptized when I was 14, I wanted to when I was 12, but because my parents did not attend meetings they wanted me to wait...
Thank you for this post. I am a Jehovah's Witness. I have bad health, and many small children, and an unbelieving mate. I put myself out to go to all the meetings, and out in service. I came had an abusive childhood, so when I was about 11 I met some very nice Jehovah's Witness adults who I admired. I learned from reading the Bible and doing research into other religions that they were full of lies. I did not find lies in the JW teachings so I trusted them. Recently...
A very good clip with factual statements, the fact that "many" don't care I think would be the lion share of the crowds belief. Jehovah's Wittness's is a man made religion and doctrinal beliefs that lead many unsuspecting souls "away" from Jesus Christ...They have fallen asleep and I fear this is how GOD wants it the time is drawing nearer to judgement day (We may not see it in our life) But possibly our children will, I don't know myself but I see small indicatations of this happening more.
On a positive note, many JW's truly want to know God. Unfortunately, they are feeding from the wrong source. My approach to JW's when they knock on my door is to rattle off a series of convictions, "I believe in salvation by grace, the virgin birth, the omnipotence of God, the necessity of repentance, the authority of Scripture, even in going "door to door" with the saving Gospel, etc. And then I ask them, "What exactly is my need?" They usually sound like Porky Pig at this point.
@peterpulpitpounder I would imagine it's the need to understand what you're talking about - your average Christian doesn't get ANY of those ideas, nor do I, nor do you. Why, because, like you said, they are convictions alright, albeit ones that have not been answered - no answer=no Christian freedom=religious enslavement=bickering with JWs. Paul indicated the need for this in Galatians 5:13, 15 (do you get what I'm talking about?) As so, the "need" you speak of would be found in Psalms 146:3
What do you mean the average Christian doesn't get ANY of those ideas? I suppose if you loosely define the word "Christian" that might be true. Listen, when the JW's show up at my door, knowing full well I am a Baptist Minister, they clearly believe I am deficient in some serious and critical manner. After I give them a Biblical overview of what I believe, they typically end up leaving. Why? Because they know I'm not gullible enough to swallow their theological bunk.
One more quick note. Perhaps I have misunderstood your comment. The convictions I cited are pretty basic, and quite clearly articulated in the Bible, so I don't exactly follow your comment regarding these teachings not being understood by neither me nor you, etc. I agree there is no profit in bickering or striving in our outreach to others, although I firmly believe in the necessity of firmly proclaiming the teaching of the Bible, of which the JW's are deficient.
In this video 21crosscheck21 uses the 'pretend' a number of times. As an ex JW my self i can assure him that there are very few witnesses that 'pretend'. I was not pretending.Most witnesses really believe what they say and teach. So he is wrong about that. If we are not to put our trust in men, can we really trust him?
1: I know many jws who pretend even you say that you know "very few" but apparently you do know some. The "unity" spoken of by jws is really a fear based "conformity." The reason jws don't know many who doubt or pretend is because there is a spirit of fear in the KH. They cannot be honest.
2: Should you trust me? Absolutely not. "test all things and hold fast to what is good"
@21crosscheck21 Wonderful video B.great job..After 137years only 7million..What is truly telling is that thereare far and away more ex-witnesses than current ones..Witnesses are ever boastful of preaching the kingdom dr.-to dr.but if you ask any witness to giveyou the gospel of God or Christ they usually cannot at least coherently.So it is obvious that is NOT what they are preaching dr. to dr.God Bless and keep up the work 21 and do not forget to fill out your monthly sheet.Ha!...JESUS IS LORD!!
@21crosscheck21 What is the Memorial of Christ's Death*? The Memorial is when Jehovah's Witnesses remember the death of Jesus Christ. It is their most important meeting and is held on the evening of the Jewish month of Nisan 14. This year the Memorial of Christ's death will be held on APRIL 17th 2011. You are warmly invited to attend this special memorial celebration. Contact your local KINGDOM HALL of Jehovah's Witnesses for details.
You quoted 1 Thess 5:21. That is a very nice scripture, and I often bring it up when debating the JWs.
The second one I use is Acts 17:11 about examining the scriptures every day to see if what is being said is true!
About pretending, it is difficult to tell who is pretending and who is not. Some of the ones I knew did not; but many of them really did [and still do].
Some of my thoughts while watching: The JW's don't care that the speaker contradicted himself because they are so bored out of their minds with the monotone voices of the speakers that they have heard all day. Also, since the JW's consider "The Organization" to be God's Organization they equate the Watchtower Society with God thus, it is OK to trust the Governing Body, because they are right up there with God. Major contradiction? yes. Will they care? No.
@knowthelight of course other jw won;t admit there doubts because of fear thats what i did for 2 years after i have questions i asked the elders and my bible teacher as a kid i thought that the witnesses faithful and the discreet slave really talk to jesus through his angels this is what my stepfather taught us or as he said that they literally talk to them and that they got answers so i thought of how else will we get this new information every year or so
JW is such a cult theology. And to all you hardcore J Dubs... IF THE WITNESSES ARE RIGHT I CAN READ WHATEVER THE FCUK I WANT TO READ AND THEY WILL STILL BE RIGHT. Biggest sign they are full of shit.
The apostle Paul used to persecute Christians too! Maybe you are a Paul, if so there is hope for you. There are over 7 million of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, you have your work cut out for you if you are trying to challenge their faith!
21 crosschek your a freaking idiot!!!! The first time he says that we cannot trust other humans, he means people outside of jehovahs organization, in other words people who are not jehovas witnesses. Time when he `contradicts` himself, he`s just saying that we can trust people within jehovahs organization. In other words people who are jehovahs organization.
@21crosscheck21 so in essence, you agree with his statement - "you cannot trust other humans" vs "you should trust Jesus... not men". Do you trust, let's say your father, brother, close friend? what if he/they trusted in Jesus as YOU did... Would you trust them to uphold your beliefs? or babysit your kids? or keep you from commiting serious errors in human judgement? or trust them to help you during financial, disaster, or illness? Well THAT is how JWs 'trusts in men' - of the SAME faith/work.
@Jjld1990 It's as simple as this : You cannot trust man. That's what the book says. Stop trying to act like it means this and means that. You people and youre selecting scriptures to argue your theme even when they are out of context. Ridiculous. Follow Jesus' words. Paul is a liar. The son of God came to earth and spent his whole life for a Christian genocider to come give more that Jesus didn't give me? BULLSHIT. There are so many holes I could pick apart. I have asked elders they got no clue.
@UNSUNGBAND Yeah well im calling shananigans on you. Because all of your arguments are based on theory. Your the hypocrite here. You should really get to know a subject before you argue about it.
@Jjld1990 What subject is that "brother"? You are forbidden to read anything outside "approved" society publications. Ok ok so you can read the encyclopedia too.. just don't forget it's full of lies that might lead you astray from Jehovah! Just like College and any higher education. What a joke.
@Jjld1990 - Thank you for illustrating the sharp black and white thinking of Jehovah's Witnesses. No one outside the organization can be trusted? This is a classic example of cult brainwashing. I think you should think about which one of those 3 groups you belong to.
the jws say we have the (truth), so you are slave followers do not need to check the scriptures any further, just read our colorful magazines and become our slaves and go door to door to get others to join ,so they can go door to door??? why can,t people come inside a K-hall with jeans and a t-shirt and receive salvation in Christ?? From what I read in the Bible, it says you shall know them by their love(none there) sorry but look at the pride of men inside judging and condemning the underling
@chucalux99 - Jehovah's Witnesses always bring to mind the apostle John's advice to his fellow Christians: "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions, just as you would test water for purity, to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." (1 John 4:1) They check the scriptures more than any other "Christian" church I've ever been to.
There is no contradiction here. He says we can't trust ourselves so why should we trust others? but Of course we can trust those who are also in the truth. Hmm.. Also, who recorded this? your not supposed to record things, they ask you not to in the beginning... ):
@lookuphannah Yes. ? Oh, you're asking why the "heads" are made up of men? Because of God's order. God is before Christ, Christ is before men, men are before women, and women(men also) are before children. So it's just taken care of by men instead. Women do stuff though, they're not ust the maids. They can become pioneers and Bethelites. There's already an arrangement set up.
@Iwant2Spoon you do realize that the scripture(s) they use were inserted into the scriptures centuries later.... i don't believe for ONE second that women are lesser than men. well... i doubt you actually realize that most of the new testament was written by people who never knew Jesus at all... i won't even get into the time frame they were written....
@lookuphannah Wait... huh? What are you talking about lesser? It's just order. Women should be in subjection to men. You're taking it out of context. Women are in no way lesser than men. It's a matter of respect. No woman is treated with disrespect. You think I meant that women are lower beings than men. Which is not what I said/meant. The ways Jesus had with the women of his day show that Jesus respected women and that he certainly do not approve of the treatment that is common in the world.
@lookuphannah Jehovah God created Adam first, then Eve. Before Eve’s creation, Adam gained experience in living. During this time, Jehovah gave him certain instructions. (Genesis 2:15-20) Serving as God’s spokesman, Adam was to transmit these to his wife. Logically, then, he would take the lead in all matters involving worship. This does not mean that a woman is to be completely silent at a meeting of the Christian congregation or other Witness dealings.
@lookuphannah And wait, so are you picking and choosing which parts of the bible to follow..? You say they didn't know Jesus so you're not going to listen to them. But what of Moses? Or Samuel, Joshua, Jeremiah, David, Solomon? Daniel? Isaiah? They were alive before Jesus?
@Iwant2Spoon yes... i AM picking and choosing. because there's no evidence that matthew wrote matthew, etc. i'm not talking old testament. i specifically said new test. i think there is a lot of studying you should do in regards to the history of the bible. p.s. what exactly do you think the word "subjection" actually means?
@lookuphannah I know you said New Test, still there is a question though is it not? Do you or do you not follow the old test? And if yes, why? I do study the bible. You're going on the basis of a hypocrite. Not to insult you, but honestly, think about it. "I follow the bible but eh..only the ones that make me feel good." Really..? Because tihnk about this, how do you know anyone of God made the bible. What difference is your claim of "no evidence that matthew wrote matthew"~
@Iwant2Spoon who said i only follow "the ones that make me feel good"?? you are trying to say that i only follow what allows me to commit sin. it's the same that JW's say about trinitarians. i don't think you've done any bible research other than what the wtbts has written on the subject. know how i know?? because anything other than what they have written is extremely looked down upon and is written by satan.
@lookuphannah Allow you to commit sin, woah woah. I never said you follow the ones that allow you to sin, actually.. what law is there that allows you to commit sin. But is it not true that you're not following the new testement because you feel it insults women? Which is doesn't? Hah, really? Okay then, name some of your research, please. Since you say I haven't. Name some of your findings that you looked up.
@lookuphannah You say anything but it's much more detailed than that, that's the exact attitude ourside writings teach. Honestly though, name some of your findings. The ones you say we look down upon. Which teachings, can you name any? And if so which ones?
@Iwant2Spoon well... you can start out by reading and compare matthew through john and see some of the major contradictions. just to start out. if God was TRULY the "author" of all 4 gospels then why would they not even theologically agree? they are each trying to tell a different story, but at the same time tell the same one. same with 1st and second thessalonians. on top of that how would POOR Aramaic speaking men be able to write such books in GREEK? th
@lookuphannah If you don't mind can you not speak in comparisons? Speak plainly so it's simple to understand. Kind of like what the apostles said at John 16. Thy speak different stories but at the same time..? And what do you mean they don't all theologically agree? Do you know what speaking in tongues is? God gave his holy spirit unto them so that they could read and write in any language they want to preach in.
@Iwant2Spoon can i not speak in comparisons??? if they all SAW the same things FIRST HAND then their stories would match up. they DON'T!! they can't even agree with what day he died.
@lookuphannah What all do they not agree with on? I did accept your answer, I wanted you to go into depth with it. Because all you said is 'they don't agree' so I asked, how? And so you're saying that because they didn't get Jesus' age right, then you completely ignore 4 books of the bible? Bring me the hardest evidence you have because I'm not buying that one.
@lookuphannah Oh? I'll do research on it. Can you give me 5? Not full paragraphs, 5-6 words for each. That way I know what to look up, ya'know? i.e."They teach different worship methods, view of women vary, some apostles worship Baal," An example of how short they can be. I don't have a webcam so I can't do videos, sorry. I want to though because I do realize I can flood commentary sections. That's why I encourage Pm's because then there is no limit and I don't take up too much space.
@Iwant2Spoon just watch my channel. and didn't i read somewhere that you have an iphone? make a vid on that. or heck, most computers come with a movie maker....
@lookuphannah God loved to used the poor and humble like you said, poor aramaic speaking men. That way he's not using the rich and boastful. Remember Moses? He had a stuttering problem, but Jehovah gave him the gift of being a great orator. But like I said, the aramaic men were given the ability to speak in tongues. Tongues=languages of the world.
@Iwant2Spoon i said POOR because there is no way that they would know how to read or write, much less be able to put together a "book". they didn't have the time or money. i love how you spew out tons of comments and questions and expect me to answer them all in these tiny little boxes.
@lookuphannah Insults weren't necessary. It's no wonder when people are outside of God's organization, they seem to show more hostility. I have not once demeaned you. But you do it to me. Tons os comments and questions that all could be answered in one box. If it's too much then go to pm? You're not used to talking to someone that has no harm to you, I can tell. You're trying to rile me up so I'll lash out at you. Because I see no reason as to why you can't be polite.
@Iwant2Spoon OMG>>> LOL!!! insult? ha. i'm "persecuting" you now, right? lol. you just refuse to look at how the gospels don't add up. so now i'm riling you up so you'll lose your temper? that's you're own bag, man. i'm actually the sweetest person. ever.
@lookuphannah Er.. Okay. You're getting rowdy without me doing much. I refuse to look? Lol what are you talking about. I'm giving you the chance to explain yourself, goodness. I haven't once said, 'Nope, you're wrong. I'm not listening.' Stop trying to turn this isn't an arguement.
@lookuphannah Its inference. A 7 yr old will read, "Not a deep thinker" and realize it's an insult. People skills require you to know how to conversate. Did you really think that wasn't insulting? I'm just saying chillax.
@Iwant2Spoon i'll do you one better than a pm.... why don't you make some videos and i'll respond, because you obviously read my written word in the wrong tone....
@lookuphannah Im going to take a guess at what you meant, so you're saying that Matthew through John changes Gods? They don't theologically agree, so not the same god is uses in all 4? Same as with 1 Thes-2 Thes?
@lookuphannah And you said you did. "I AM picking and choosing" what else does that mean? You're choosing ones that you like, you're listening to only part of the bible, what other reason is it if it's not just because it makes you feel happy..? This is an honest question, no sarcasm or demeaning questioning.
Wow dude, is your life's ambition to destroy the Jehovah's Witnesses? Im not a JW but even I can see how you search so hard to find a flaw in their association. Honestly its really sad.
BoshinTV 1 month ago
@BoshinTV Translarion: "To me truth and honesty is meaningless." Should I somehow be moved by that? :')
21crosscheck21 1 month ago
It's really simple,Bullshittin Assholes.
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That is because these men do not know what they are talking about, they really dont have a clue. The solid foundations are v crumbly. So of course they contradict themserlves. Ive come by just this same thing in many WT magazines. Blatant contradictions. This is because there is no authentic origin, no source- its all manufactured fakeness. The truth will eventually be revealed. And it isnt the "truth" thats for sure.
jessie68ful 1 month ago
People outside the truth don't know what they are talking about. Yet, they try and act all smart and try to disprove the truth of which they cannot! There is nothing in this clip that disproves anything. Jehovah's Witnesses will be the ones left over on the earth living forever in paradise earth, because of their giving their youth for Jehovah and not wasting away their life and time for this world and the things in it. That is everything Jesus was teaching about.
logan500 3 months ago
You don't realize that the people in Gods organization is lead by God himself so how could Jehovah's people be placing their trust in the organization alone?People that are in the truth know what other Witnesses are talking about.They don't place their trust in the world and the things in it.The world is filled with Satan misleading ways.Jehovah's organization cannot be part of that world as it is brought to the world from Jehovah himself using certain men with a "needing truth" heart condition.
logan500 3 months ago
This speaker reminds me of the March 1979 Watchtower. The front cover boldly stated that all JWs should "Put Faith in the Organization," though they did insert the word, "Victorious," the point was still cleverly cemented in the hearts & minds of the WTBS rank & file.
As stated, the JWs don't seem to notice that while the speaker tells them not to trust in their own heart, he tells them to trust in the WTBS.
"DO NOT PUT YOUR TRUST IN nobles, nor in the son of earthling man..." Psalms 146:3 NWT
1955annemarie 4 months ago
There are many studies and lessons Jehovah's Witnesses have. We learn all the time that Jehovah God is our Father in heaven, and that he is leading us as his people.He teaches us very well from the bible.The bible warns not to believe in the philosophies of men (example:theory of evolution, holidays) and other teachings of men.This is what this talk is really about.The man who made this video just ASSUMED it meant what HE thought.21 Crosscheck is only GUESSSING!Galatians 4:9,Colossians 2:8,21-23
eternityandforever 6 months ago
There is absolutely NO CONTRADICTION here. The man who made this video is playing with words without ANY understanding of what we are learning. He could go 'twist' any sermon of any religion! UNLESS he knows what JW's ALL KNOW, that Jehovah God is behind his witnesses on earth. Just as MOSES led the Israelites thousands of years ago, Jehovah uses faithful men to lead his people today! We are Jesus' true, modern disciples-Matthew 24:45-47, 25:31-46, 1 Thessalonians 5:12, Hebrews 13:17,20,21,24
eternityandforever 6 months ago
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eternityandforever 7 months ago
my family think i'm stupid because i use the net to do my research when my doubts came from the reasoning book and the faithful and the discreet slave i came to realize are just regular people going by there own beliefs i seen things on tv books the net and all they did was just prove to be true but tv ,the net books are all the devil according to jws if we are to know the truth we are suppose to test everything but once you become a jw you are closed off from all thinking and knowledge
danae417 8 months ago
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Shannychan1 8 months ago
IRONY OVERLOAD!!!!
Bibl3Thumper 9 months ago
If you have not been told the truth, so you believe a lie, it does not make you stupid. Before the flood Noah did not preform miricles (sorry about the spelling) but he was telling the truth, and the people should have listened to him, he had Jehaovah's guidence. That being said, following the Governing Body because we believed they were guided by God because they told us some things that we researched and found to be true is not stupid. It is an incorrect desicion, based on lies, not stupidi
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I do not know why people are saying JWs do not think for themselves, just because they believe. I think critically all the time. I became a JW because I learned that there are a lot of lies in the other religions. I didn't find out about the lies of these religions until now (I can't help the 1975 thing, I wasn't alive).
I think, I am not a stupid person. I get almost all As in college, and I haven't even been to elementary school! Someone who ignores the truth doesn't think...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
If you are reading this, you have doubts. Don't take my word for it, research this. You will find that the Watchtower is purposefully lying. Remember in time Jehovah will help us find the real truth. All of the years after the apostles died, until the Watchtower society came along, God had to have true worshippers, even if they were all alone they were true worshippers. Enoch was alone, but he was a true worshipper of God. We can be too, even without the Watchtower; Jehovah isn't with them
jamesandchante 9 months ago
If we love truth, and we love Jehovah God and Christ Jesus, we must not be too proud to admit we were wrong. We were tricked! We can be like Paul, and leave behind the wrongdoers who are unrepentant, and try to find the truth. I do not know what the truth is about God yet, but I now know that the Watchtower society are not guided by Jehovah's Holy Spirit, because Jehovah is truth and light, not darkness. I have just learned about the lies two days ago. I am going to disassociate myself.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Yes, I went to the forbidden websites of apostates. I have been praying over and over for Jehovah to make me want to go to the meetings, make me understand why the elders and most other JWs I know care nothing about me, so that I can change to be a better person.
Jehovah has answered my prayers. He helped me to see that the Watchtower did lie, and say the end was comming in 1975, and then said everyone who accussed them were liars.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They claim the society told them the world would end in 1975. I was not born back then, but all the witnesses that were JWs at the time told me that it was a lie, and our literature says they are lying. Even at meetings, assemblies, and conventions we are told they never said that. We are told they merely said it was possible, but the JWs were being persumptuous. I believed them; but when I found out the other badness I researched it...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I thought they watered down the denunciation of the UN because it might put off newcomers, I didn't realize they were promoting it. If they told lies about that, what else have they lied about?
Even then, I thought, well some wrongdoing is going on, but they could disfellowship the unrepentant brothers responsible and clean Jehovah's organization.
But, then I thought about how many ex-witnesses talk abou leaving in 1975.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
You can access the UN's library online. Before 9/11 you could go to the library without being a member too. The Watchtower society lied! They only even admitted it after they were found out, and they do not seem truely repentant; instead they make excusses. Besides, is a library card a good reason to join?
They had to go to UN meetings, how could they not know they were required to promote the UN. I have noticed before this that the denounciation of the UN has been watered down.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Then, I saw underneath the news article where people could leave comments. They were talking about the Watchtower organizations association with the UN. This cannot be true, it is a lie that I can prove is false, right?
I guess I wasn't at the meeting when that letter was read (or more likely the elders were to embarrassed to read it, because I barely missed meetings back then). But it is true. There is evidence that they did not do it to get a library card..
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He became an apostate. So, I thought this is how pretty much all apostates were. Of course, I wanted to stay away from that.
Yet, with the elders flip-flopping, and trying to be controlling about unBiblical things (especially a recent Bethelite), maybe some of these other things are true. Maybe the end is very, very, near, and Jehovah is trying to purge the "fake" JWs out of the organization. So, I read an online news article (not apostate) about the child molestation cover-ups.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They also found out that he has accused of trying to sexually harrass teenage girls at another hall. The elders warned him about questionable behavior, but he was rude and continued to act that way. So, they wouldn't let him go out in service. I know this because the elders asked all of the sisters to meet them in the library one day, and they told us to never leave the kids alone with him, and to never be alone with him ourselves, even at the hall, and this was why.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
one of these guys was an unbaptized publisher at one time, but he wasn't allowed to go out in service anymore because he was a pervert! He made sexual advances at the brother who studied with him, so he rufused to study with him. Another brother started studying with him, and he did the same thing to him. He also got caught over and over again, trying to get little toddlers alone in back rooms at the hall. The elders at that congregation found out he was in prison before for rape...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I assumed "apostate" material was spiritual pornography, and I didn't want to defile my mind with it.
I had ever reason to believe apostates were bad, after all an apostate spit in a brothers face, and yelled and threathened us, for no reason when I was a teen. There were also drunken, homeless, street preachers, that were paid (by men wearing "Watch Out for the Watchtower") to "preach" against us while we were doing street witnessing...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He said we don't help "worldly" people because they never appreciate it! I thought this was a crazy attitude, but I thought: "no one is perfect."
thought.
But, I keep hearing JWs say crazier and crazier things. I have been seeing things on the internet, the news, and newspapers that claim we are doing bad things. I never read these things before because the Governing Body tells us not to.
I didn't think it was weird that they told us not to, because I assumed these things were lies..
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Won't that be a witness to them? They told me I was naieve. Later, when I was out in service I met a family with a very old man who was interested in reading JW literature. I took the literature to him. One day he told me that he haden't barely eaten anything, and he had almost nothing to eat, until they got theit SS checks in a few days. So, I made them three days worth of meals and took it to them. When an elder in the service group found out about it, he made fun of me.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Well, I have been noticing more and more crazy things. Some of the elders laughed in my face when I suggested going to help look for survivors and clean up where a tornado took place (this was about the same time I started having doubts 1 1/23 years ago), because they already checked and there were no JW victims. I asked why they had to be JWs for us to help them? They said our time is better spent in the ministry. I said we can give them magizines to read later, won't helping them be a witn
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They never invite me anywhere because my husband isn't a witness, but before I was married in the other congregation I was a pioneer and I wasn't invited then. But the rich JWs who have a boat were, even though they onlky go out in service about twice a year, and barely go to the meetings. They sisters that wear the revealing clothes were invited. They married brothers who flirt with other sisters were invited. But I wasn't invited because my family isn't spiritually mined?
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I just didn't care anymore to prove to the brothers that I went out in service, as long as Jehovah knew; so if I wasn't at the meeting when we had to turn in the time I didn't care. I have been feeling this way for the last few months.
I just didn't understand how a brother from Bethel could tell me unscriptual things, and trick the other brothers to do the same. How can others at the hall be so rude to me? Many of them are not pioneers, even though they have elder dads.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Then, after all that happened I I dreaded going to the meeting. If I'm feeling bad, or have a whole lot of homework I would skip. I don't care what the other JWs think, because I can never be good enough for them, and I'm treated unlovingly.
Yet, I never stopped going to the meetings all together, I still studied, and I barely go out in service (except for writing letters, telephone witnessing, and witnessing to classmate).
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I moved and changed congregations. I went to some of the meetings at the new hall, but I got sick (almost as bad as I was when I was hospitalized) and missed about four meetings in a row, and I noticed the snubbery there too. I use to force to go to the meeting when I was sick (as long as I could function), I would go to the meeting and in service, even if it meant I had to stay up all night to do my homework for college, just so I wouldn't miss.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
A few of the sisters visited me and brought food, the elders did not seem to care at all that I almost died. Yet, they bragged on the stage about taking care of the fellow sich JW, and used me as an example.
I was sick afterwards a lot (but not enough to be hospitalized), but to sick to go to the meetings. When I went back, I could tell everyone just thought I missed because I was "unspiritual.' They either snubbed me, or felt sorry for me...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
The brother that studied with my husband didn't speak to me after that for about six months, now he acts like nothing ever happened.
I couldn't afford to pay the rent, so I had no choice but to take my husband back. He still is occassionally abusive, but not nearly to the same degree. I know it can always change back to the way it was. We have four kids now too.
Also, I have always had bad health, but I eventually got deathly ill, and I was hospitalized several times.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
We met secretly, and we told each other what they said to us both. We knew these things were unscriptual, but we assumed Jehovah would eventually set things straight. We aggreed to not hang out or talk to each other anymore, so that she would not be hasseled by the brothers. I never told the other sisters what happened, because I didn't want to cause thjem to be ostrsized.
Ever since then that one brother from Bethel greets me with a fake smile, and I force myself to answer.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I actually had wrote a letter to the Watchtower society to tell them what was happening; but when the brothers appologized, I thought Jehovah had answered my prayers (I prayed to Jehovah about whether or not to send it, because I didn't want to turn the brothers and sisters against one another. Anyway, one of the sisters asked what happened (she was scolded for letting me use her phone to call the shelter, and she was accused of leaving her husband without ground, which wasn't true)...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They also appologized if the other brothers overstepped the line. They also told me that I could decide to stay or leave, and that they would no longer threaten to disfellowship me. The mean brother from Bethel came to my house later, and said he would help me in any way he could. Well, I needed $20 for gas to go on some job interview and I told him that. To my surprise he gave it to, and told me I didn't even have to give it back (although I did give it back later).
jamesandchante 9 months ago
My husband had an ex-girlfriend, who was married and had four kids; she left her family in Washington, to come to move in with my husband when the judge kicked him out of the house.
Well soon after I moved into our house, my husband threw her out of the place he was staying, and he begged me to return to him, and he said he would not finalize the divorce.
Well, the brothers that visited me in my house appologized to me if they hurt my feelings themselves (which they didn't),...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
My husband had the nerve to file for divorce when I was gone. I was relived, because they stopped saying I would be disfellowshipped if I didn't return. A judge kicked my husband out of the house, so that my kids and I could live in it, because the shelter only lets women stay in it for a month.
Some other elders came to my house, told me the other elders told them about the situation.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Anyway, I was threatened that I would be disfellowshipped, or at least put on public reproof if I didn't return to my husband. I was also told that if it came to their attention that I spoke to the other sisters about my situation with my husband again I would be disfellowshipped, or put on public reproof. They also said the sisters I got talking top about it could get on public reproof for talking to me about it. They said that this would be proof that we are rebellious, and disruptive.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Besides, the point of the account of Job is that we will have to suffer many things, but we should not blame Jehovah, and we should paitiently endure problems, while waiting on deliverence from Jehovah.
I also noted that there are other sisters that they themselves know that have married unbelievers, but they are not abused; why isn't Jehovah punishing them? Also, there are sisters that have always been faithful to Jehovah that are abused; is Jehovah punishing them?
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I also mentioned that Job was blessed at first, and everything was later taken away from him. Some people do not start out with a blessed life, but they still may suffer many problems at once, including: "injustices, sickness, the death of loved ones, persecution for serving God, poverty, problems from natural disaster and war. I told them it was unreasonable and unloving to downplay other people's suffering because they have not suffered exactly the same things job did.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I asked how that was almost blasphymous, I wasn't comparing myself to Jehovah, or even comparing myself to Jesus or a prophet. He tried to tell me know one else in the history of mankind has ever suffered as much as Job. I told him that I know Job's situation is unusual because Satan was directly persecuting him to test his loyalty to Jehovah. However, other people besides Job have, and do, suffer, some probably just as badly, just by chance (some faithful to God, and some not)...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
If they have Jehovah's spirit, why should I not think Jehovah forgave me. I study, I give student talks, I auxilliary pioneer a few times a year, I teach my kids about Jehovah, and I even convenced an abusive husband to study about Jehovah. If I do these things, why should they presume I am being punished by Jehovah. I told them they were being like Job's false friends.
One brother said that statment is almost blasphymous, because I was comcaring myself to job, who wasin a special case
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I said that Jehovah allows you to suffer ther consequences of our sins, mine being marrying a "worldly" person, but we are not suppose to accuse Jehovah of testing us, by punishing us harshly for sins he supposedly forgives us for.
They said I was presumptuous for assuming Jehovah forgave me. I said I really was sorry, I prayed to Jehovah for repentence, I confessed to the elders, and after prayer they decided to only reprove me. So, if the elders at that hall have Jehovah's spirit...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
My husband told me that he treats me the way he does so that I'll be afraid to cheat on him, and so I woluldn't go to the meeting or out in service. I told them, I am not cheating, all that I do that he doesn't like is serve Jehovah. I can't stop serving Jehovah.
They also told me that my husband was abusing me because this was Jehovah's way of punishing me for leaving his organization for two years, as I already mentioned I did.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I cooked meals, and kept the house clean (sometimes it was messy, I am a full-time college student with at the time three, now four kids). That is another thing, the brothers told me I shouldn't go to college, but I was enrolled in an excellerated 2-year program, so that I could have enough money to support my husband if I left my husband. We also got evicted at one point, because the restaurant my husband worked at closed down. After that, they never said much about the college...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Besides, I wasn't looking to get married any time soon, I was just trying to escape abuse. Everytime I started to say anything that disagreed with his Oppinions, he started to have a very nasty tone, even yelling a few times. He and the brother that studied with my husband later tried to tell me that if I was being abused it was my own fault, for being a bad wife. I asked them, why would he want me back if I was a bad wife? I was submissive, I never cheated, I dressed modestly,...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
to him in Jehovah's eyes. I told him that I knew, based on the scriptures, that as long as I didn't have sex with another man, I was not sinning in Jehovah's eyes. Besides, I mentioned that if my husband cheated on me often while we were together, I knew he would cheat on me when I was gone, and brag about it. I said that if the brothers did not want to accept the proof I had, I only file for separation, and only file for divorce when they felt I had enough proof.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I told him, that I even got violently raped many times, for refusing to consentually have sex with my husband, just because I was planning an escape and I wanted to have grounds so that I could file for divorce immediately. He told me that a husband cannot rape a wife, because the Bible says that a wife should not withhold sex from her husband. By refusing to have sex with my husband, I was sinning. I told him that when my husband cheated on me, and I didn't forgive him, I was not married...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I admitted that the other girl wasn't a witness, but she divorced her husband because of it. He said that might count as proof, but if it hadn't happened within a day or two of me leaving, I forgave him. I assured him that I had not forgiven him, because he wasn't even sorry. I assured him that I hadn't had consentual sex with my husband since he cheated either, because I had been planning to leave. I didn't leave earlier because I didn't have a car before (I still didn't have money, job...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He told me that if two brother, but not sisters (because sisters may lie for their friend), saw their husband comming out of a known prostitute's housde this would be proof. I told him that my husband and a friend of his once picked up some girls from a strip club, took them to a motel, and had sex with them. I caught them telling lies after it happened, and they were so drunk they stupidly told me everything. I told the other guy's wife, they admitted it to her too. They weren't even sorry.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I also told him that my husband has continually cheated on me. He told me I had to prove it. I asked him what proof was. He said that at least two people, besides myself (because as his wife I might lie), had to eye-witness it! How would that happen? I informed him that that is not true, because I have know people, including my mom, who had grounds for a scriptual divorce, on much less evidence.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He said I could get disfellowshipped or at the very least publically reproved for having a rebellious attitude. He told me that divorce on the grounds of abuse is unscriptual. I told him that I had not filed for divorce or separation, I was just at the shelter. I would have to file for separation eventually to get child support though. I reminded him that abuse is grounds for a separation, again he said the abuse was just "aledged."
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He admitted that he never even talkedto them about their situations, he heard about it from other elders. He proceeded to tell me details about other sister's personal lives, and tried to use what he said about them as proof that they were "fake" witnesses (they weren't even bad things, they were claims of abuse the sisters made." He also told me that if I didn't return to my husband, or at least give him the address and the phone number of the shelter I was being defiant toward him...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He told me that the sisters that left their husbands, left without scriptual grounds for divorce or separation, so I should not listen to them. He also mentioned that one sister I had recently talked to is on her second "unscriptual"marriage. I asked him why she was not disfellowshipped if she remarried a brother, after an unscriptual devorce. He never answered. I also told him that those sisters told me they had scriptual reasons for leaving, and they are in good standing.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I was shocked! I talked to the brother that was our new presiding overseer, who just came from Bethel. He said my husband told that brother I was cheating, and he believed that it was probably true, otherwise why would he say it. He also said that while I said my husband abused me, it was just my word against my husband's. He also told me that even if my husband abused me it was probably my own fault for not being a good enough wife. He told me that I should go back and be more submissive.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They confronted those sisters and accused them of tricking me into leaving my husband without just cause because they were bitter about their marriages. I talked to the brothers later, they told me that thesed sisters were "Jezzabels" that the book of Revelation spoke of that could a "rebellious" and "divisive" influence on the congragation. They said I was being "brainwashed" by these sisters, and I "refused to think for myself."
jamesandchante 9 months ago
So, when my husband called and asked him if he had any idea where I was, he told them that he saw them go in and out of the bathroom with me, so they might know where I was. He told my husband what those sisters look like, what vehicles they drove, and their addresses. I told him before that if he ever came looking for me to not tell him where I was if he knew, and not to tell him where any of the friends live, becauser my husband might find them and harrass them, or find me and hurt me...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
For the first time, I felt like some one understood me, and cared about me. I told them I was afraid that my husband would eventually kill me, or I would kill him in self defense, so I wanted to leave. I used one of their phones in the restroom to cal some domestic violence shelters, and I found somewhere to stay. One of the sisters gave me some gas money to get to the shelter. Well, the elder that studied with my husband knew I was in the bathroom with those sisters...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
They told me that they left to be safe, and if I wanted to leave they would help me find a shelter to stay at, and that I could always talk to them. They told me that is I stayed with him that would be fine with them too. They said that they knew they could not leave even though other people told them to at first, because they could not afford to and for several other reasons. They said they would support me if I stayed or if I left, and they went through the same thing.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
She told me not to try to hid what was wrong. Another sister soon came to the bathroom to check on me too. She told me that I did not have to feel embarrassed if i had a problem. Then she told me about how her JW husband was abusing her and cheating on her, and she left him, and changed halls. The other sister told me about her abusive JW husband too, and how she has do escape. Then they asked me to tell them what was wrong with me. I told them. They never told me to leave him.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He was choking me at one point, and once I felt I was about to pass out he let go and proceeded to try to rape me, until my kindergardener walked in, so he let me go. Latter that day, and the next morning he acted like nothing ever happened. I went to the meeting, but I was so upset I went into the bathroom and sobbed. A sister came into the bathroom, I tried to wipe by tears and pretend to be okay. She said she came to the bathroom because she could tell something was wrong...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
We got my oldest kid out of kindergarten, and my husband was waiting at the school for me. He saw a brother was with us sisters, and he threw a fit. When I got home (he followed us the whole way there), he verbally and physically abused me. He called the brother who was studying with him and lied, and said I was cheating on him with the brother that was with us. I didn't even barely know that brother. My husband distroyed things, and tore up the house...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Eventually, my husband started studying, but he was still being abusive and cheating, on and off. One night he agreed I could go out in service with a sister new in the hall the next morning. The next morning he changed his mind, and he said he didn't want me to go. He finally said I could go, but he still threw a fit. When I came back from field service, he had locked me out of the house. So, the sister and I spent the day together, later other JWs that she knew came with us...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I told these knew brothers about my situation with my husband (you see he would bardge into the meetings, or sit in the car to spy on me at the meeting, and do other weird things, because he wanted to mack sure I wasn't cheating on him (he is controlling, and paranoid). They initially told me I had the right to separate from my abusive husband, and if I ever had proof of cheating I could devorce him and remarry (as long as I didn't have consential sex with him after I had proof of cheating)...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
So, I went to a shelter again to protect her from my husband). These sisters got taken intob judicial meetings for helping me, and I did too, for accepting their help. We didn't get disfellowshipped or put on reproof, just lectured over and over again (the sisters for being busybodies, and me for being a user). Without help I had to go back to my husband, we had to move, and so I went to a new hall. everyone was nice at first, but they became snobs soon after.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
From any of the witness, because that would be a burden to them. Even though I never asked them for such help I agreed. Eventually, some sisters that had experienced abuse in relationships before themselves, noticed the signs, confronted me about it, and offered me help {they took my to the shelter, bought diapers on food for the kids, took me to the walfare office to get food stamps (one even let me stay with her, but I left after a few days because my husband found out where she lived.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I had to go to domestic violence shelters many times, but I always came back to him because I couldn't financially support my kids without his help. Over the years, my husband has gotten less, and less abusive. He is still abussive sometimes, and has a new fling about every 4-6 months. I told the brothers, and asked them to pray with me, so that Jehovah's spirit could help me to know what to do. They always told me I couldn't get a place to stay, or money, or babysitting for the kids...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Abusing me verbally, physically, and even sexually, about a month and a half after we got married. He was also cheating on me on and off, with different women right from the beginning of the marriage. he bragged about pretending to be a nicew guy so that I would marry him, and he would brag about how smart he was. He threatened to kill me all the time too. I kept having kids, because he dosen't let me have any say in what happens to my body (I wanted to have kids to, but not with an abuser)
jamesandchante 9 months ago
The brothers were nice to me, and I was only put on reproof. Yet, I am married to a non-believer, and we are poor [He supported his family as a kid too so he didn't have an education. I was homeschooled by my mom (but I was to read and my education stopped when I was 6 years old). So, almost no one at the hall cares about me (except for about 4 people), they treat me like trash most of the time. But I still thought it was somehow my fault. My husband started abusing me...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
we got married immediately, because I didn't want to have sex without being married. I got pregnant right away, and I couldn't imagine my child not loving Jehovah, and dying at armageddon, just because I refused to go to back to the organization out of shame. So, I went to the elders (we lived in a different state than I use to) and had to tell men I didn't know every single sin I had committed since I left the organization.
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I started sleeping with him. The whole time it bothered my conscious, but I thought, at least we are getting married soon. But, he was young, and said that while he loved me he wasn't sure he wanted to make such a big committment, and so he wanted us to just contine to live together. I told him my conscious bothered me, and either we were getting married or I was leaving. So, we broke up. I was still to ashamed to go to the meeting. I got involved with another guy, and we...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I assumed I was just not good enough for Jehovah to love me, because if he loved me his people would not treat me this way. The truth is, I was trying as hard as I could to be a good person. So, I thought since I was unworthy of God's love why even try anymore. So, the next day when the guy I let kiss me said that he loved me and wanted to marry me I agreed. His parents were losing their house, so he and his brothers moved in with other relatives. he moved into the room with me, and I..
jamesandchante 9 months ago
My mom got kicked out of the house since she didn't have my brother and I to pay the rent (dumb move). I talked to an elder that said he believed I only kissed the guy, and he could convence the other elders not to disfellowship mew for that, but if I lived with an unmarried couple I would be thought of as condoning their fornication, and I would be either disfellowshipped or put on public reproof for that, unless I could move in the next day or two. Well, I didn't have the money too...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
So, the guy came to my house. He asked his parents if I could sleep in his room for a few days, while he slept on the couch. They agreed. A few days later I moved in with his brother and his girlfriend because they had an empty bedroom, and they could barely pay rent (I paid money to stay there, I didn't have enough money to live on my own). My mom soon kicked my brother out "for disrespecting her", aka. not washing the dishes, and she kicked my sister out (who got pregnant)...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Everyone already treated me like I was nothing, because my mom didn't go to the meetings, my dad had been disfellowshipped before I was born, I didn't have other witness family, and I was poor. I didn't think they would believe that in a moment of weekness I let him kiss me (I was 20 years old, and had never even went on a date before). I started to call the anointed sister, I knew she loved me, but I didn't want to ask her for help because I knew they would be mad at her...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
She acted like she was in the room! She said I was a follower of Satan, threw out all of my clothes, called the sisters that I usually went in service with and left messages on their phone that I was "leading a double life", I was a "fake witness," and I was "serving satan." She told them on the messages that she was warning them in case I asked to stay with them after she kicked me out of the house. Then she called that guy that I kissed and told him to find "his whore" a place to stay...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
He knew I was suffering. One day, I let him kiss me. I felt so bad I cried, and told him I couldn't have anything to do with him anymore. I told the elders to (who were actually very forgiving and kind to me about it). My mom found out though. She believes the JW religion, and was baptized but hadn't been an active witness (and would have been disfellowshipped if she went to the hall because of her conduct). She insisted that I not only kissed him, but had sex with him too...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
couldn't help but to be flattered. I refused to date him. The elder studying with him convenced him to study for himself, not me. Yet, this young man was the only person in the hall or at home that seemed to care about me (except for a sister who professed to be anointed). Because we worked next to each other, and he went to meetings, I saw this young man often. I shouldn't have, but eventually, I talked to him for a a few hours in the park accross the street from where we worked...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I though that if Jehovah loved me, He would not allow his people treat me this way. More than anything I wanted Jehovah to love me. So, I tried to do even more, building halls, taking care of elderly sisters, etc.. I thought I was proving to God that I loved him. But the rude attitude of others became unbarable. So, when I found ourt that a nice, smart, young man who was studying the Bible with a JW elder came to the meetings and started studying because he wanted to be near me I...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
My brother and I were working long hours to support ourselves and our mother and little sister, we could barely pay the rent, and we didn't even have gas to use to cook or for heat, we didn't have a car, and we almost always had to eat at work (we worked in the fast food industry) because we could barely buy food! How could I get a car? Yet, I was constantly snubbed, and spoken of as a failure. I thought: "They can't all be wrong. I must not be good enough for Jehovah to love."...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
I was supposedly bad association, since my family were not JWs. I was most likely a "Fake" JW." Despite the fact that I had exemplary conduct, walked from my home or work to attend meetings, and I was a pioneer. When I would ask other witnesses to give me a ride home after the meetings, because it was dark outside and I lived in a dangerous neighborhood I was critisized for "using the brothers and sisters," and being "immature" because I didn't save money to get a car...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
But most of the JWs were very unloving to me. I was working full-time and often even over-time hours to financially support my family (which most teens do not have to do, but I did), and pioneering. Yet, somehow I was never good enough for most of the JWs. They would have parties all the time, and purposely talk about it in front of me, but then give me excusses as to why I was not invited. Later my true JW friends would tell me how they said I was not invited because...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
As I grew into a teen, and young adult, I was a zealous regular axilliary pioneer (who usually got 80 a month in the ministry), I became a full time pioneer eventually. I was eximplary in conduct from the time I started attending the meetings, until I was about 20 years old.
I must admit that I got into trouble at that age, and stopped attending meetings for two years. There were a few JWs that were ernest in thier love for everyone, including me...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
a brother who served at Bethel for over twenty years became the Presiding Overseer told me many things that I know go against the Bible, and even against the Watchtower organization.
I must tell you that I learned about Jehovah when I was 11 years old. At that age I started attending meetings, going out in service, and of course I studied regularly. I got baptized when I was 14, I wanted to when I was 12, but because my parents did not attend meetings they wanted me to wait...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
Thank you for this post. I am a Jehovah's Witness. I have bad health, and many small children, and an unbelieving mate. I put myself out to go to all the meetings, and out in service. I came had an abusive childhood, so when I was about 11 I met some very nice Jehovah's Witness adults who I admired. I learned from reading the Bible and doing research into other religions that they were full of lies. I did not find lies in the JW teachings so I trusted them. Recently...
jamesandchante 9 months ago
A very good clip with factual statements, the fact that "many" don't care I think would be the lion share of the crowds belief. Jehovah's Wittness's is a man made religion and doctrinal beliefs that lead many unsuspecting souls "away" from Jesus Christ...They have fallen asleep and I fear this is how GOD wants it the time is drawing nearer to judgement day (We may not see it in our life) But possibly our children will, I don't know myself but I see small indicatations of this happening more.
JSeely218 10 months ago
you're so dumb!!!!!.....duhhh...lets play it back in slow motion for more of an effect...duhhh yaaaa yaaa
youztoobid2 10 months ago
On a positive note, many JW's truly want to know God. Unfortunately, they are feeding from the wrong source. My approach to JW's when they knock on my door is to rattle off a series of convictions, "I believe in salvation by grace, the virgin birth, the omnipotence of God, the necessity of repentance, the authority of Scripture, even in going "door to door" with the saving Gospel, etc. And then I ask them, "What exactly is my need?" They usually sound like Porky Pig at this point.
peterpulpitpounder 10 months ago
@peterpulpitpounder I would imagine it's the need to understand what you're talking about - your average Christian doesn't get ANY of those ideas, nor do I, nor do you. Why, because, like you said, they are convictions alright, albeit ones that have not been answered - no answer=no Christian freedom=religious enslavement=bickering with JWs. Paul indicated the need for this in Galatians 5:13, 15 (do you get what I'm talking about?) As so, the "need" you speak of would be found in Psalms 146:3
AP0media0saavy 10 months ago
@AP0media0saavy
What do you mean the average Christian doesn't get ANY of those ideas? I suppose if you loosely define the word "Christian" that might be true. Listen, when the JW's show up at my door, knowing full well I am a Baptist Minister, they clearly believe I am deficient in some serious and critical manner. After I give them a Biblical overview of what I believe, they typically end up leaving. Why? Because they know I'm not gullible enough to swallow their theological bunk.
peterpulpitpounder 10 months ago
@AP0media0saavy
One more quick note. Perhaps I have misunderstood your comment. The convictions I cited are pretty basic, and quite clearly articulated in the Bible, so I don't exactly follow your comment regarding these teachings not being understood by neither me nor you, etc. I agree there is no profit in bickering or striving in our outreach to others, although I firmly believe in the necessity of firmly proclaiming the teaching of the Bible, of which the JW's are deficient.
peterpulpitpounder 10 months ago
Please make sure to read Matthew 24:3, 14 and Luke 21:17. The Luke one is my favorite :) please do come to the memorial also. Have a wonderful day!
eatschnitzel 10 months ago
in other words dont trust anyone outside the cult. fuckin idiots put more money on the plate.
DUMBNWO 1 year ago
In this video 21crosscheck21 uses the 'pretend' a number of times. As an ex JW my self i can assure him that there are very few witnesses that 'pretend'. I was not pretending.Most witnesses really believe what they say and teach. So he is wrong about that. If we are not to put our trust in men, can we really trust him?
knowthelight 1 year ago
@knowthelight Hey bro I'll respond....
1: I know many jws who pretend even you say that you know "very few" but apparently you do know some. The "unity" spoken of by jws is really a fear based "conformity." The reason jws don't know many who doubt or pretend is because there is a spirit of fear in the KH. They cannot be honest.
2: Should you trust me? Absolutely not. "test all things and hold fast to what is good"
21crosscheck21 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 Wonderful video B.great job..After 137years only 7million..What is truly telling is that thereare far and away more ex-witnesses than current ones..Witnesses are ever boastful of preaching the kingdom dr.-to dr.but if you ask any witness to giveyou the gospel of God or Christ they usually cannot at least coherently.So it is obvious that is NOT what they are preaching dr. to dr.God Bless and keep up the work 21 and do not forget to fill out your monthly sheet.Ha!...JESUS IS LORD!!
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sunshineuklondon1965 11 months ago
@21crosscheck21
You quoted 1 Thess 5:21. That is a very nice scripture, and I often bring it up when debating the JWs.
The second one I use is Acts 17:11 about examining the scriptures every day to see if what is being said is true!
About pretending, it is difficult to tell who is pretending and who is not. Some of the ones I knew did not; but many of them really did [and still do].
tommotian 9 months ago
Some of my thoughts while watching: The JW's don't care that the speaker contradicted himself because they are so bored out of their minds with the monotone voices of the speakers that they have heard all day. Also, since the JW's consider "The Organization" to be God's Organization they equate the Watchtower Society with God thus, it is OK to trust the Governing Body, because they are right up there with God. Major contradiction? yes. Will they care? No.
Shannychan1 8 months ago
@knowthelight of course other jw won;t admit there doubts because of fear thats what i did for 2 years after i have questions i asked the elders and my bible teacher as a kid i thought that the witnesses faithful and the discreet slave really talk to jesus through his angels this is what my stepfather taught us or as he said that they literally talk to them and that they got answers so i thought of how else will we get this new information every year or so
danae417 8 months ago
Thanks for this my mate was going to get an old kingdon hall talk and remake it to carefully help people see how nasty this org is
essy111 1 year ago
JW is such a cult theology. And to all you hardcore J Dubs... IF THE WITNESSES ARE RIGHT I CAN READ WHATEVER THE FCUK I WANT TO READ AND THEY WILL STILL BE RIGHT. Biggest sign they are full of shit.
UNSUNGBAND 1 year ago
The only problem with the Convention is those people siting there AREN'T JW's and if wanna know more pm me.
POC777 1 year ago
Quote mine ahoy! I'm an ex-jw and an atheist, but most JWs are fine.
andydeee 1 year ago
Over 7 million trapped mind can't be wrong.
seattleman74 1 year ago
The apostle Paul used to persecute Christians too! Maybe you are a Paul, if so there is hope for you. There are over 7 million of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, you have your work cut out for you if you are trying to challenge their faith!
dakforever29 1 year ago
21 crosschek your a freaking idiot!!!! The first time he says that we cannot trust other humans, he means people outside of jehovahs organization, in other words people who are not jehovas witnesses. Time when he `contradicts` himself, he`s just saying that we can trust people within jehovahs organization. In other words people who are jehovahs organization.
Jjld1990 1 year ago
@Jjld1990 It's been a while but if I remember correctly he was talking about King David. In any event you should trust Jesus.... not men.
21crosscheck21 1 year ago
@21crosscheck21 so in essence, you agree with his statement - "you cannot trust other humans" vs "you should trust Jesus... not men". Do you trust, let's say your father, brother, close friend? what if he/they trusted in Jesus as YOU did... Would you trust them to uphold your beliefs? or babysit your kids? or keep you from commiting serious errors in human judgement? or trust them to help you during financial, disaster, or illness? Well THAT is how JWs 'trusts in men' - of the SAME faith/work.
AP0media0saavy 10 months ago
@Jjld1990 It's as simple as this : You cannot trust man. That's what the book says. Stop trying to act like it means this and means that. You people and youre selecting scriptures to argue your theme even when they are out of context. Ridiculous. Follow Jesus' words. Paul is a liar. The son of God came to earth and spent his whole life for a Christian genocider to come give more that Jesus didn't give me? BULLSHIT. There are so many holes I could pick apart. I have asked elders they got no clue.
UNSUNGBAND 1 year ago
@UNSUNGBAND Yeah well im calling shananigans on you. Because all of your arguments are based on theory. Your the hypocrite here. You should really get to know a subject before you argue about it.
Jjld1990 1 year ago
@Jjld1990 What subject is that "brother"? You are forbidden to read anything outside "approved" society publications. Ok ok so you can read the encyclopedia too.. just don't forget it's full of lies that might lead you astray from Jehovah! Just like College and any higher education. What a joke.
UNSUNGBAND 1 year ago
@Jjld1990 - Thank you for illustrating the sharp black and white thinking of Jehovah's Witnesses. No one outside the organization can be trusted? This is a classic example of cult brainwashing. I think you should think about which one of those 3 groups you belong to.
dfite08 11 months ago
Jesus was a man.
Juberoos 1 year ago
the jws say we have the (truth), so you are slave followers do not need to check the scriptures any further, just read our colorful magazines and become our slaves and go door to door to get others to join ,so they can go door to door??? why can,t people come inside a K-hall with jeans and a t-shirt and receive salvation in Christ?? From what I read in the Bible, it says you shall know them by their love(none there) sorry but look at the pride of men inside judging and condemning the underling
chucalux99 1 year ago
@chucalux99 - Jehovah's Witnesses always bring to mind the apostle John's advice to his fellow Christians: "Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions, just as you would test water for purity, to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world." (1 John 4:1) They check the scriptures more than any other "Christian" church I've ever been to.
Psalm83verse18 1 year ago
There is no contradiction here. He says we can't trust ourselves so why should we trust others? but Of course we can trust those who are also in the truth. Hmm.. Also, who recorded this? your not supposed to record things, they ask you not to in the beginning... ):
Polygraph4liars 1 year ago
@lookuphannah I see 5 uploads from you, the earliest being 3 weeks ago. Were one of those it?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon it's up now.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@LookupHannah He controls it with holy spirit, and women are used, women are used just as much as men.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon but isn't the governing body made up of human men?
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Yes. ? Oh, you're asking why the "heads" are made up of men? Because of God's order. God is before Christ, Christ is before men, men are before women, and women(men also) are before children. So it's just taken care of by men instead. Women do stuff though, they're not ust the maids. They can become pioneers and Bethelites. There's already an arrangement set up.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon you do realize that the scripture(s) they use were inserted into the scriptures centuries later.... i don't believe for ONE second that women are lesser than men. well... i doubt you actually realize that most of the new testament was written by people who never knew Jesus at all... i won't even get into the time frame they were written....
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Wait... huh? What are you talking about lesser? It's just order. Women should be in subjection to men. You're taking it out of context. Women are in no way lesser than men. It's a matter of respect. No woman is treated with disrespect. You think I meant that women are lower beings than men. Which is not what I said/meant. The ways Jesus had with the women of his day show that Jesus respected women and that he certainly do not approve of the treatment that is common in the world.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Jehovah God created Adam first, then Eve. Before Eve’s creation, Adam gained experience in living. During this time, Jehovah gave him certain instructions. (Genesis 2:15-20) Serving as God’s spokesman, Adam was to transmit these to his wife. Logically, then, he would take the lead in all matters involving worship. This does not mean that a woman is to be completely silent at a meeting of the Christian congregation or other Witness dealings.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@lookuphannah And wait, so are you picking and choosing which parts of the bible to follow..? You say they didn't know Jesus so you're not going to listen to them. But what of Moses? Or Samuel, Joshua, Jeremiah, David, Solomon? Daniel? Isaiah? They were alive before Jesus?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon yes... i AM picking and choosing. because there's no evidence that matthew wrote matthew, etc. i'm not talking old testament. i specifically said new test. i think there is a lot of studying you should do in regards to the history of the bible. p.s. what exactly do you think the word "subjection" actually means?
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah I know you said New Test, still there is a question though is it not? Do you or do you not follow the old test? And if yes, why? I do study the bible. You're going on the basis of a hypocrite. Not to insult you, but honestly, think about it. "I follow the bible but eh..only the ones that make me feel good." Really..? Because tihnk about this, how do you know anyone of God made the bible. What difference is your claim of "no evidence that matthew wrote matthew"~
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon who said i only follow "the ones that make me feel good"?? you are trying to say that i only follow what allows me to commit sin. it's the same that JW's say about trinitarians. i don't think you've done any bible research other than what the wtbts has written on the subject. know how i know?? because anything other than what they have written is extremely looked down upon and is written by satan.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Allow you to commit sin, woah woah. I never said you follow the ones that allow you to sin, actually.. what law is there that allows you to commit sin. But is it not true that you're not following the new testement because you feel it insults women? Which is doesn't? Hah, really? Okay then, name some of your research, please. Since you say I haven't. Name some of your findings that you looked up.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@lookuphannah You say anything but it's much more detailed than that, that's the exact attitude ourside writings teach. Honestly though, name some of your findings. The ones you say we look down upon. Which teachings, can you name any? And if so which ones?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon well... you can start out by reading and compare matthew through john and see some of the major contradictions. just to start out. if God was TRULY the "author" of all 4 gospels then why would they not even theologically agree? they are each trying to tell a different story, but at the same time tell the same one. same with 1st and second thessalonians. on top of that how would POOR Aramaic speaking men be able to write such books in GREEK? th
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah If you don't mind can you not speak in comparisons? Speak plainly so it's simple to understand. Kind of like what the apostles said at John 16. Thy speak different stories but at the same time..? And what do you mean they don't all theologically agree? Do you know what speaking in tongues is? God gave his holy spirit unto them so that they could read and write in any language they want to preach in.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon can i not speak in comparisons??? if they all SAW the same things FIRST HAND then their stories would match up. they DON'T!! they can't even agree with what day he died.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah What all do they not agree with on? I did accept your answer, I wanted you to go into depth with it. Because all you said is 'they don't agree' so I asked, how? And so you're saying that because they didn't get Jesus' age right, then you completely ignore 4 books of the bible? Bring me the hardest evidence you have because I'm not buying that one.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon I meant death not age* Im on my iPhone so it's hard to reach thoughts across when you can barely see what you type.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon i was just giving an example. there's waaay more that they don't agree on. c'mon. john is completely diff from the others.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Oh? I'll do research on it. Can you give me 5? Not full paragraphs, 5-6 words for each. That way I know what to look up, ya'know? i.e."They teach different worship methods, view of women vary, some apostles worship Baal," An example of how short they can be. I don't have a webcam so I can't do videos, sorry. I want to though because I do realize I can flood commentary sections. That's why I encourage Pm's because then there is no limit and I don't take up too much space.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon read it for yourself and tell ME what you think i think is a contradiction. i made a video for ya. look for it.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Whats the video called?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon just watch my channel. and didn't i read somewhere that you have an iphone? make a vid on that. or heck, most computers come with a movie maker....
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah iPhone 3G
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon then you can make vids. no excuse.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Iphone 3G doesn't make videos. That's 3GS. I could take 3300 pictures and slide the frames together? 3G doesn't have video maker.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@lookuphannah God loved to used the poor and humble like you said, poor aramaic speaking men. That way he's not using the rich and boastful. Remember Moses? He had a stuttering problem, but Jehovah gave him the gift of being a great orator. But like I said, the aramaic men were given the ability to speak in tongues. Tongues=languages of the world.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon i said POOR because there is no way that they would know how to read or write, much less be able to put together a "book". they didn't have the time or money. i love how you spew out tons of comments and questions and expect me to answer them all in these tiny little boxes.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Insults weren't necessary. It's no wonder when people are outside of God's organization, they seem to show more hostility. I have not once demeaned you. But you do it to me. Tons os comments and questions that all could be answered in one box. If it's too much then go to pm? You're not used to talking to someone that has no harm to you, I can tell. You're trying to rile me up so I'll lash out at you. Because I see no reason as to why you can't be polite.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon OMG>>> LOL!!! insult? ha. i'm "persecuting" you now, right? lol. you just refuse to look at how the gospels don't add up. so now i'm riling you up so you'll lose your temper? that's you're own bag, man. i'm actually the sweetest person. ever.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Er.. Okay. You're getting rowdy without me doing much. I refuse to look? Lol what are you talking about. I'm giving you the chance to explain yourself, goodness. I haven't once said, 'Nope, you're wrong. I'm not listening.' Stop trying to turn this isn't an arguement.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Its inference. A 7 yr old will read, "Not a deep thinker" and realize it's an insult. People skills require you to know how to conversate. Did you really think that wasn't insulting? I'm just saying chillax.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon i'll do you one better than a pm.... why don't you make some videos and i'll respond, because you obviously read my written word in the wrong tone....
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah Im going to take a guess at what you meant, so you're saying that Matthew through John changes Gods? They don't theologically agree, so not the same god is uses in all 4? Same as with 1 Thes-2 Thes?
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon wow. not a deep thinker are you?
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@Iwant2Spoon you didn't like my answer.
lookuphannah 1 year ago
@lookuphannah And you said you did. "I AM picking and choosing" what else does that mean? You're choosing ones that you like, you're listening to only part of the bible, what other reason is it if it's not just because it makes you feel happy..? This is an honest question, no sarcasm or demeaning questioning.
Iwant2Spoon 1 year ago