Let me propose a new voting method: Put a 5 year old kid next to both of the candidates. Have the candidates spend time with the kid. Whoever the kid likes most, there's your winner. Kids have exceptional judgement of character. For some reason, adults don't and get blinded by hope and other factors.
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The guests in that room are both dillusional and ignorant. Its funny, to them saying anything against the government is like smearing the people, and to say the truth about the middle east and be boo'd is just sad for that crowd.
and the truth is that idiotic democrats like you areichow, probably would like to have dinner with Osama bin Laden, and would also like to help him in his destruction of America
I watched this video and actually exected that most of the comments would be of people saying "Screw you! Move to France, Sanders!" The typical "freedom fries" mentality. But I was happily surprised to find otherwise. Sadly, most Americans don't want to know the truth. Bin Laden is indeed held in higher regard in a lot of the world- not because some dictator told them to, but because Bush and his cronies have made it so. Might be hard to hear, but it's the truth.
The average idiot knows that Bin Laden is more popular than Bush in many Islamic countries. I guess the audience is comprised of below-average idiots.
Whether or not some hole-in-the-wall middle eastern dictatorship whose citizens can hope for nothing better in this life than a bomb-belt likes OBL better than Bush is not the point. THe point that this scumsucker believes this is important is. He is a disgrace to this country and any state that elects him has forgotten the principles the country was founded on.
It seems you are just as stupid as the people in the audience. Can't the small brain of yours figure out that maybe there is a reason for the hatred against you. Maybe there were reasons for 9/11. Maybe those reasons goes under the name of US foreign policy. If you want to stop terrorism you have to change what people think about you.
Republicans really hate facts, because everything they have odne has screwed the world up. Fact, Bush is less popular than OBL in the mid east. Why is this important? because one of Bush's many excuses for overthrowing Iraq was to bring them our democratic freedom, posing himself as a leader. Well, for a leader to be successful, they need to have followers and Bush hasn't got any over there.
Hmmm, I'd posted a comment here yesterday, but it is missing. Interesting. Is someone deleteing comments that they can't effectively argue against? I think they may be.
It makes a very illuminating comment about the G.O.P. machine. No?
Wow. Some people would actually would rather hear b.s. and lies just because they don't like the facts. If you are really that big a loser you shouldn't be voting. Unbelievable.
watch this video and learn. This trivial horseshit is used to keep the masses entertained while the real chess game of oil supplies and global domination go on behine the scenes. Osama and a democratic Iraq mean nothing,never did, and its "mission accomplished" with our newly aquired 15 year supply of mid east oil. I'm glad...I drive a V8.
The thing is, WHY HASN'T BUSH CAUGHT HIM THEN! It seems like Republican sheep just feel like running on a record of serial failures is a plus somehow! Its unbelievable doublethink. Did you not hear how even Bill Frist said we should give Afghanistan back to the Taliban? Get these psychotic Republican leaders OUT OF OFFICE. You wouldn't let a 3 year old drive a car would you? Then don't let these freaks run the country!
I just puked in my mouth. The Democrat's point was simple: in parts of the world Osama bin Laden is more respected than Bush. It has nothing to do with partisan politics, and it has nothing to do with respecting that point of view. It is a belief held by hundreds of millions of people, whether you like it or not.
Come on now guys. Lets face it. People in the middle east don't really like the US. Is this any surprise? making policy to change that may be a good idea if the hearts and minds are to be won, and the actual objective of spreading democracy are to be achieved.
The only way someone can be pro-Bush these days us by total disregard of reality! Ignore the truth and have faith! What exactly is the difference between that approach and UBL?
This poster would rather have lies than the truth! That's incredible. Well, at least he/she admits it and confirms it by using the two biggest sources of lies and liars on earth as his/her screen name.
If you had some intellectual integrity and character, you'd have the guts to say the truth, rather than prefer to utter lies, just to not appear confrontational. No wonder you are a ChristianGOP! By the way, you being a Christian, there is too much irony in your comment to even begin to respond to it.
Actually, now I'm thinking that this is such an absurd parody of what someone would actually think that a liberal made this ridiculous screenname and came on here posing as a conservative, just to give liberals more fodder. This couldn't be real, could it?
"In the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, anger toward the United States remains pervasive... bin Laden...is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). .. Majorities in all four Muslim nations surveyed doubt the sincerity of the war on terrorism. Instead, most say it is an effort to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world."
Note: only 5% see bin Laden as good leader, they just want counter to US.
Thanks Dick, for (almost) making the point better than Mr. Sanders himself: Bin Laden IS more popular than George Bush in Muslim countries because Bush and his cabinet have so badly bungled U.S. foreign policy. This IS a fact, and it's not just Muslim countries. It's any number of countries that used to be our "friends." Vote Bernie! Vermont does not need to send another millionaire to the millionaire's club. My vote cannot be bought by silly messages such as Dick Tarrant's.
For those libs here who don't understand us being upset with Bernie calling UBL more respected than Bush, allow me to explain. Yes, of course the terrorists do. But that wasn't what Bernie was saying. In context he was legitimizing the position of these people. Acting as if it's simply another point of view.
No, that's not what he was saying. What he was saying, in context, if you had payed attention to the fucking video, was that there are serious problems with the way Gitmo is being run, and therefore he wants to change it, in order to change the perception of those in the middle east who currently favor UBL more than Bush. But, of course, as a con dumbass, I can see how that overwhelmingly obvious fact would sail right over your head.
By the way, thank you so much for trying to explain to us "libs" what your vastly superior brain has understood. If only more cons took the time to explain things to us poor libs. In case you are a moron, yes that's sarcasm. All you've succeeded in doing is convincing me that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Listen to you deranged hateful psychos? Seriously, listen to yourselves for a minute.
Uroshnor, I suggest you do some reading on Gitmo. These guys are treated better than our own prisoners and live better than most of them have in their lives. In fact they came in under weight and are now all overweight because they eat such pimped meals. (cont...)
(...cont) But regardless Uroshnor, what makes you think what you said contradicts what I said? Bernie is attempting to legitimize those who respect UBL more than Bush based on his media aided misleading about Gitmo. He treats it as just another pov, rather than a terrorist supporting mentality. I know, I know. We should all "understand" the terrorists. Let's put 'em on a couch and talk it out.
Listen, the issue that Sanders and Tarrant were discussing is whether or not they would vote to close Gitmo. Sanders was making a point about how Gitmo is a cause celebre for insurgents and terrorists. He was bringing up the valid point that when the US runs such places, our approval (specifically Bush's approval) is so low in some Middle Eastern countries that he is less respected than UBL. (cont...)
This is not misleading, this is not rhetorical. It's a statement of a fact. And the treatment of the prisoners, while laudable, is irrelevant. Bernie's point is that there are significant issues with the way that the place is run, such that Middle Easterners have a very low opinion of it. We could increase the quality of the way we treat prisoners there 1000 fold, I'm sure it would make little to no difference on how it is PERCEIVED by those in the Middle East.
And I think you are conflating two views in a misleading way. You keep talking about terrorists, but Bernie was not even discussing the terrorists. He was pointing out the opinion of the general population of Egypt and some other countries. Do you acknowledge that this is a serious mistake on your part, and that it deserves to be rectified by further comment retracting what you've said about terrorists?
Not at all, you are now agreeing with me. It doesn't matter what we do, these people are going to have a negative opinion of us, because they will always side with the terrorists. It's not because they "precieve" Gitmo a particular way (based on facts), but America is simply the great Satan, the infidels. (cont...)
again, you seem to be on the same page as me that they won't like us no matter what, but you (and Bernie) act as if it's then a legitimate perception for these people to have, and like it matters. What is the point of stating the obvious unless he's given credence to the position? Gotta run, but I think that's the gist.
Why in the world do people who love Bush claim that those who don't agree with all or some of his policies hate him? It isn't hatred of Bush that drives their criticism -- although some do hate him as much as his fans love him -- it is disagreement, often profound disagreement, with the policies he promotes. Why personalize it so much? It makes you sound like lust crazed adolescents with a latent thing for a rock star.
Because, BennyMike, the criticism is rarely a policy debate. It is usually an unfounded assertion that is an attack on his character. For example, "Bush lied". How did he lie? The criticisms, like Bernie's, are rarely, "This is what we ought to do in the Middle East." It's usually, "Osama is more respected than Bush." An unfounded assertion.
Do you have statistics to back that up? What is this slippery use of the word "usually"? Yes, this is role reversal. Oh, but I suppose now if you cited statistics it would be alright? Bernie was relying upon opinion polls for his statement. If he should be disallowed from making such statistical comments, then why the hell do we even do such studies? If the results don't line up with what you believe, then you just ignore them anyway.
do any of you have any data to back up your claims that bin Laden is more respected in the ME than Bush or does it just seem reasonable to you because of your bigotry and intolerance? It seems reasonable to me that most Muslims resent Osama making their religion into murder.
"bin Laden is regarded favorably by 65% of Pakistanis and by 55% of Jordanians. Moroccans are divided in their views, with 45% favorable and 42% unfavorable." -- Pew Foundation (continued . . .)
(...continued) "Majorities in every country surveyed except the U.S. have an unfavorable opinion of President Bush, with negative ratings ranging from 57% in Great Britain (with 39% favorable) to 85% negative in both France and Germany." --Pew foundation. These are the facts, found in a valid poll by a non-partisan poling group. It may mean the pople in those other contries are right or it may mean they are stupid, neaither is the point. You asked for data. see http://tinyurl dot com/38vrl
While we know that some of the countrie do not think of Pres. Bush in the positive, you need to see why not just the numbers. France already had in place lucrative contracts with Saddam regarding rebuiling and running oil wells and refineries. Germany had lucrative contracts in play for all the parts needed for the wells refineries and piplines oh and Russia had arms agreements to replace those lost in 1st Gulf War. They were just waiting for sanctions to lift.
The funny thing is that your logic cuts both ways. If the only reason that France disapproved of the war in Iraq was because they DID had oil contracts, you could just as easily phrase that the other way, "the only reason the US approved of the war in Iraq is because it DIDN'T have oil contracts." Both would be equally logically valid (and equally incorrect). This is logic 101.
I also think, and this is just an opinion that the European countries that have and unfavorable view of President Bush have then because they are afraid that his strong stance and enough is enough attitude towards terrorists and Saddams antics may affect their "norm" and they were not attacked just us as well as the extremist show anti American sentiment not sentiment directed towards their country.
BennyMike, you know there are lies, damn lies and statistics. The survey only asked positive or negative impressions, not the who do you respect? There are a lot of people I don't like but respect tremendously and vice versa. Also how was the poll conducted? who were the respondents? Remember Kerry was ahead on every poll right up till 2004 election.
It wasn't about impressions., barry53, it asked if people had a "very favorable" or "very unfavorable" opinion (with several stops in between) of a number of countries and public figures. (continued...)
(. . . continued)I agree with you about "liking" vs. "respecting" but "a very unfavorable opinion" rarely translates into liking. In any case, it really is worth studying the survey itself, as it points out some serious problems with the way the US and its president, and in some cases, Christians and Jews, are perceived. You don't have to like the results, but you asked for data, and there it is. See http://tinyurl dot com/38vrl and downoad the PDF file of data.
Also, Iraqis want us out, according to a poll, but 75% of them voted for the govt we are supporting, a more believeable poll since they faced death to do so.
They lost major money and contracts that became nul and void when Saddam was removed from power. Lets not forget the last UN leader and his son were also profiting before his removal. All were also breaking the sanctions under the radar. The UK is they just did not want their troops sent for something they felt did not effect them.
Typical republican. He asks for evidence, and implies that we only think so based upon irrational factors. The only way we can respond is by citing statistical evidence, since that is the point--what percentage of people believe what. We give it to him. Then he discounts the evidence using the tired cliche about statistics. Why didn't you just specify that you weren't looking to learn anything, but only wanted to reinforce your previously held views? Then we'd know not to respond.
I am always wanting to learn, but to truly learn you need to know what the is behind those statistics not just the numbers. you can't just ask do you like so-in-so with out asking they why-or-why not don't you think? That is something that both parties need to do. Just because I am a republican does not mean I like or approve of everything the do, but I do try to learn the reasons why our leaders republican or democrat do what they are doing. (continued)
In 2 weeks every American will have the chance to voice their opinion at the polls by voting. If the majority dislikes whats happening their will be a change in the majority of congress if not it will stay the same. The shame is that the majority of voting age Americans will note vote and this is how their voice is loud and clear not in the blogs, not on tv not in the newspaper.
Let us also remember Dems will almnost always think Rep. facts are rhetoric and vice versa. It is up to the individual to do the research.The problem today is that to many people just follow their party line no matter what.While I am a republican and lean more to the views of the right, I do listen to the left and do research what they have to say, but they need to say more than just numbers and statistics, because there is always a reason behind them.
It is the reason behind the statistics, the meat of an issue that I try to form my decisions on. While I am Republican and lean to the right, I do listen to the Democratic left and try to find the "meat" of their opinion before I disagree or agree with them. To many people just vote down their party lines now a days. No matter the political views the person should not be attacked like I see often (i am not being attacked here) in here, just the views.
while I agree that President Bush is not viewed favorably in many European countries as well as the Middle East as shown in the polls being stated, I disagree with the Democratic view on why. Whether we are liked or not we are engaged in a mission in the M.E. that needs to be acchomplished, the man and women (the troops)trying to acchomplish this should be honored and respected.
For one, 40gopman is correct. The only reason why France and Russia were against the war in Iraq was because they had oil contracts with Saddam himself. By the way, Saddam will be punished shortly. I heard a verdict was expected within weeks against him.
There have been plenty of polls done, just google them. News Flash! The US government is despised worldwide.
What seems reasonable isnt always what accords with the facts. Also, Bin Laden or any other jihadist can make a scriptural case, according to Koran, for "murder". If people believe the Muslim religion is one of peace that certain people have perverted, there sadly ignorant.
Hello? What he said was "In some countries they have more respect for Osama bin Laden than they do for George Bush." Which is absolutely true.
Pakistan? Afghanistan? Chechnya? Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Iran? I mean, come on. How much love do you think they have for G. Bush? What the man said was 100% true.
He never said that HE loved OBL or any stupid crap like that.
What's the controversy? There have been several opinion polls given to those in the middle east, and the approval ratings for UBL is much higher than Bush in many of the countries. It's a disgrace and says a lot about mainstream Islam being more extreme than politicians and its defenders like to suggest, but it's a fact.
Can you guys please use your damn brains before you post such stupid crap. He said that in the Middle East, OBL is more respected than Bush. He didn't say that he himself respects OBL more than Bush. Use your heads, don't be so dumb.
CONTEXT... Give me a break their are 10 million Iraqis voted.... Millions of Afghanis voted.... Everyone of those that did was able to make their voices heard because of George W. Bush nothing less. are we to believe that he gets no respect for this?
How many has UBL freed... How many voices are free because of the enslavement of UBL.. So get real with your figures. George W. Bush is much more respected in the Middle East then you or Mr. Sanders give him credit for.
probably 90%+ of the democrat caucus in congress agrees 110%, and with the way they talk, probably count themselves among those who respect bin laden more than bush. let's put them in power...
Hello? What he said was "In some countries they have more respect for Osama bin Laden than they do for George Bush." Which is absolutely true.
He never said that HE loved OBL or any stupid crap like that.
Pakistan? Afghanistan? Chechnya? Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Iran? I mean, come on. How much love do you think they have for G. Bush? What the man said was 100% true.
of course he didn't, the guy isn't suicidal, but you actually doubt where he stands? and wow, obl is respected more than bush in some of the darkest, most repressed hellholes on earth. y do we care?
I'm reading a lot of "patriotic" grumblings about this but can the "fact" of what he is saying be disputed? Ooops! I almost forgot, along with the US constitution and bill of rights, wing-nuts can't understand "facts" or "truth".
BERNIE 'socialist scumbag' SANDERS has for years defrauded the 'yokels' of Vermont and the 'Stalinist wannabe's' at the University of Vermont in Burlington. First he was caught paying his wife and daughter out of campaign donations - felonies! Then he chided the Bush administration on
'tracking' library cards - when he didn't even have one! I might add that in Vermont - a good milking cow is more valuable than Bernie! Bernie is only a Democrat because no money for Socialists!
Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.
Shameful. Bernie Sanders really is a disgrace to his office. If he hates America that much he should leave and go to Egypt or some country where they share his resepct for Osama Bin Ladin, and this is coming from a Canadian.
Clearly the sort of Canadian who resulted in their recent right wing government... However you are completely right questionging America is clearly hating the country, not the right and indeed duty of any true citizen. After all the only way to truly participate in democracy is to do what your leaders tell you to.
Yes, it is so much more patriotic to side with your country's enemies because you hate your president more than the terrorists. His actions are not only shameful, they are opportunistic and cheap. He is taking America's enemy's sides because he thinks he can score a cheap political point and maybe, just maybe, gain some political power. People like this dont belong anywhere near a functioning democracy.
Sanders is absolutely correct. However, his opponent failed to ask the important question, which is 'why should we care?' There's nothing to be gained from trying to appease people that hate the United States.
reggiefu, do you have any data to back up your claim "Of course bin Laden is more respected in the ME than W. Duh!" or does it just seem reasonable to you because of your bigotry and intolerance? It seems reasonable to me that most Muslims resent Osama making their religion into murder.
Well at least this liberal is speaking what he believes the truth to be. Thank God we have Bush as our President a President of action and not appeasement. Thank God that we do not have to worry about Saddam Hussein Gaming the UN Oil For Food and putting WMD in the hands of terrorists. How many times can the Government claim they failed to connect the dots.... Once...
Liberals are so backward... They hate Bush so much that they forget the American people voted this man into the presidency twice! If they ever expect to get anywhere they need to start moving right intsead of left... Basically hate America first munbo jumbo... Pathetic
OMG that is too funny and to true...Someone please post a video that shows a Dem talking bad about UBL.... It doesn't exist... The Liberal truth is that its all America's falut anyway.... Islamo Facists cut off our heads and get medals.. We put hoods on theirs and go to prison....
Sanders apparently bases his comments on opinions given throughout the world, especially certain areas of Europe and the Middle East. There are those elsewhere in the world who hate George W. enough that they openly trash his name, in which many Dems gladly stand with them. Because of too many reasons to post here, this libertarian happens to agree with Sanders' opinion.
P.S., Watch for additional prob.... er issues to come up after the elections.
Bernie is your typical liberal. Soft on crime, soft on terror. did anyone notice the easy sentnece the lib judge gave the terrorist lawyer for helping terrorist communicate with each other?
What he didn't have the courage to come right out and say, is that he actually agrees with those countries he mentioned. LOL. A loose-lipped liberal let the cat out of the bag (that they all actually hate Bush and admire Bin Laden), then backpedaled like a mofo trying to minimize the damage. Too funny.
Shame on Drudge for that. I am no Sanders fan but he was right. Of course bin Laden is more respected in the ME than W. Duh! BTW, Jerry Lewis is more popular in France than the USA!
Bernie Sanders Sits In The Democratic Caucus - It's No Wonder That Democrats Keep Losing Elections Because Most Americans Don't Trust A Party That Favors The United Nations, Europe & Appeases Terrorists Before Defending USA.
Sanders has no facts to back up his claim that Osama is more respected or popular in Egypt than Bush. He just makes a wild assertion based on his own hatred of Bush, as do many of the childish posters here.
And before anyone accuses me of being Pro-Bush, please understand I am not in any sense. I laugh when people like Sanders get butt-hurt when they get cornered because they lack logic. For one, I consider myself a libertarian and I am indeed gay. So pro-Bush is something I am not.
Anti-Bush fever is a terrible plague. It turns otherwise decent, thoughtful progressives into rabid, raving idiots. Lies, torture, treason, blah, blah, blah...Just once PROVE that your insane blatherings have any basis in reality and don't just quote each other saying them. Here's reality: Jihadists want us all dead: left, right, black, white, gay, straight, it doesn't matter to them.
Some of you people defending Sanders obviously have never been to the middle east, and I highly doubt you know many muslims. You fools think that muslims actually like Osama? Try talking to them. Bernie was most certainly wrong. I know many pakistanis who do not like Bush, but I also know that they do not like Osama in any sense because Osama is abusing their religion for his own goals. In their religion, like with christianity... that's called blasphemy.
He didn't say they love him. He said they have more respect for him. If Bush has a rating of 3% and Osama has a rating of 4%, it means that while they both are very unpopular, Osama is more popular than Bush. And yes, I agree with you that Osama is unpopular because of his actions, but that doesn't change the fact that some people respect him for standing up to the US in the region.
Well I'll say I have gotten a little chuckle reading your and Link47's comments.You do not need a political science degree to be able to understand and follow politics or events around the world. Saunders should have never mad the statement whether it is true or false, because either way it is a slap in the face to the government. No matter what over the next to years we will be hearing garbage like this from from both parties.
Let us also not forget that som middle eastern people also must show and and say anti-American views out of fear even if they disagree with them. Many of them do not have the freedom of speech that we enjoy and only can say what the ruling faction in their territory will alow them to say.
Statements like Saunders is highly inflammatory and can even be deadly to our military. With todays internet and media our enemy is able to use this as propaganda to improve their moral essentially by showing the hey look our leader OBN (or others) is liked more than our enemys, all of Islam is behind us etc. and you know they will twist it to thier advantage.
Maybe in the Middle East OBL has more approval than Bush... so should we vote to appease the Middle Easterns? Make it easier for em to come and do an 911 encore? They will love us then!!
How dare someone read the works of modern thinkers instead of just the writings of people from a single area with similar views! Shame on this man of open mindness!!
Link47, please. You don't know what you're talking about. I don't like Bush but I absolutely despise Osama. And those writers, like Marx, Engels and Lenin... though talented, lacked a vision for the future. They were only concerned with the present. That's why Leninism didn't work.
Lacked vision for the future? Marx wrote about how to create utopia and the steps needed to get there! How is that not looking towards the future with a vision?
And Leninism didn't work because they neglected the whole part of Marx's writing where he said you go through capitalism to grow wealth and then go to socialism. The Soviet Union just went straight from fuedalism to socialism.
Hah, you are actually trying to defend Marx or Lenin? PLEASE! Stop and think about you're saying. For one, these systems don't work because they don't take into account human nature. I don't need to hear about some pipedream someone invented with the Victorian era Europe in mind. We do not live in that era anymore.
By the way, Marxism is the most ridiculous philosophy and imaginary political system ever invented.
Oh I am in university myself, and have taken two political philosophy courses. Just because I say it is ridiculous does not mean I should read what they wrote. You see, I do not use appeal to the authority arguments like you do.
As a political science major, I have read Marcuse (a known marxist), Adam Smith, and others. If they are taught, it doesn't mean they are valid. All it means is that they have had an impact on history. Humans have done a lot of ridiculous things in their history, and yes we should know about them.
As a fellow political science major I have read them as well. The fact that they are taught gives them validity. If they simply had an impact on history they would probably just be skimmed over and we would laugh at how silly those people were. However, since we do read them and debate them they are as valid to thought as the works of other political and economic theorists.
I sent you a private message because this is hard to follow at times. For one, I'll say here... just because you learn about what someone wrote, does not make it correct or valid.
Link, you represent the death of reason. If you've determined that something is valid because it is being taught to you, why bother learning? No need to determine what works or doesn't work, what is truth or what isn't truth. Just follow blindly, and then be outraged when people question your blind faith.
Exactly, deymond. How could you go around in life... and not learn about what mistakes people have made in the past? Invalid beliefs (like that of fascism and communism) need to be taught about in classes.
Link obviously has not taken enough political science classes. And logic classes on top of that.
Looking at this kids private message... I can really say he is lacking intelligence and logic. It is actually quite pathetic if he thinks everything is equally logical or valid. What a stooge.
You seem to be the one lacking intelligence and logic. You are the fool who berates me for a typo that you made! Apparently it is my fault that you made a typo and I took it as something said. If only everyone could pull out the "I mispoke, you should have known it was a mistake" every time they do something wrong.
And I never said that everything was equally logical of valid. I'm simply saying that you dismiss things because you disagree with them and do not consider their merit. You sir, are the stooge and fool. At least I dont resort to screaming through caps lock.
You are the one who dismissed my opinion like a little prick because you only think you are right. You are nothing but a stooge. You need to drop out of university because you're quite useless.
I am? Really? You are the one who took a typo and tried to make a whole big deal about it. You also when on to attack my family, and that crossed the line. bitch.
I'm not dismissing your opinion. I'm disagreeing with your opinion that Marx is completely wrong. I'm making the point that he is worth reading because he makes a valid argument.
And I wasn't attacking your family. You berated me for not liking democracy so when you said that you were going to tell your sister to take her headscarf off I called you out for being a hypocrite. I would like to know how I attacked your family because I see it as you completely overreacting.
I think Marx is completely wrong and that is my opinion. If he is completely wrong that does not make him unworthy of reading.
I gave you the treatment you deserved when you attacked my family. I am going to state here: I would never tell my sister to take off her headscarf. If you cannot accept the fact that was a simple typo, you're a little prick.
I would never tell my sister to do anything. You stupid fuck.
You are missing what I am saying completely. I'm fine with the fact that you made a typo. It did not become clear that you made a typo until I pointed out what you had said. You said that I didn't agree with democracy. Then you made a typo later in your message saying that you were going to tell your sister to take her headscarf off, however I at the time did not know you had made a typo.
So I called you a hypocrite for saying that saying that I didn't agree with democracy because I didn't accept your views yet you didn't accept your sisters view of wearing the headscarf (again, as deducted from your typo).
You can't seem to grasp the fact that I did not know it was a typo at the time. And I go to the University of Delaware where we have more class than resorting to abuse of caps lock in order to get our points across.
Now back to the original point, I'm saying that Marx is worth reading and that his arguements are legitimate and valid. By teaching them in colleges, they add to its validity because they acknowledge it has an impact.
Marx's arguement may be unsound based on his premises (since his premises do not include human nature, as you said), but it can not be called invalid. Soundness does not determine validity.
Okay, for one you don't know what you're talking about. I did make a typo, and I am all for my sister wearing her headscarf whenever she pleases to do so.
You are trying to tell me I'm not okay with it. I clearly am. So I agree with democracy. You do not. University of Delaware? LOL ROTFLMAO. HAHAHAH... please. I go to a Cal State School at the time, and will be going to UCLA for my graduate degree. So please, you don't have class.
I have more class compared to you, not only that I know how to party a lot better compared to east coasters.
I never said Marx wasn't worth reading. He certainly is because he had a historical impact on entire nations (most notably Russia, even if Russia did not follow what he stated). However his arguments are NOT legitimate, nor are they valid. Often professors teach things because they had a historical impact on humanity. It doesn't make it valid or legitimate.
I'm trying to tell you that I was saying that you were a hypocrite before I found out it was a typo. The hypocrite arguement obviously no longer stands because what you said changed.
I'm not even going to get into an arguement over schools and east coast and west coast, how childish.
Now, about Marx. I'm not saying that I agree with him, I'm just saying that he made a few good points and should not be completely discarded because of the ways his ideas were implemented. I dont want to continue to argue legitimacy and validity with you, since we seem to have different ideas on what it means.
What I said didn't stand because it wasn't what I meant, and it isn't representative of the reality. I am all for my sister wearing her headscarf. You then proceeded to attack my sexuality.
Marx is not legitimate, nor is he valid. He wrote well, but that doesn't change the fact that his arguments were not good at all.
I didn't attack your sexuality. I said that you and your sister both made lifestyle choices. I did not intend to insult your sexuality, I was saying that you should both respect eachothers choices (in reference to the typo that I didn't know was a typo). Whether or not people are born gay is not a debate I really wish to have, mainly because I don't have an opinion on it.
I disagree, I think parts of his arguement made sense but I do agree that it wouldn't work because of outside influences. Maybe in a bubble Marx's progression of society could occur.
Too bad his arguments were all delusional. Marx's progression of society can never occur because capitalism is better. Marxism is only a regression. It is basically a slave society no matter how much you want to gloss it over.
Let me propose a new voting method: Put a 5 year old kid next to both of the candidates. Have the candidates spend time with the kid. Whoever the kid likes most, there's your winner. Kids have exceptional judgement of character. For some reason, adults don't and get blinded by hope and other factors.
hratchig80 4 months ago
I guess I don't understand...was Hitler unpopular in Germany because he was our enemy?
schroeder8911 9 months ago
IM A LIFE TIME MEMBER V.F.W. I SERVED "TASK FORCE SABER" WHERE I WAS FORCED TO LEAVE 15,19 YO BOYS ALONE,LTC PURITAN WAS CHAPLAIN. BLUE STAR BANNER RIPPED FROM DOOR ,CHILDREN ARRESTED "NO WARRANTS' 19 Y.OLD WAS LEGAL GUARDION ARRESTED WITHOUT "PARENTAL CONSENT" TO BREATH ALIZE. WHERE WAS BERNIE?WHERE WAS CIVIL RIGHTS. WHERE WAS BLUE STAR BANNER PROTYECTION? NOW MY LAND BEING ,ALLEGEDLY,STOLE FROM OUT WITHUNDER ME AND 8 WIDWED CHILDREN FROM 1ST MARRIGE.WHERE IS JUSTICE IN VERMONT AND CALEDONIA VT
tankerfa1 1 year ago
It is the truth..
sealio9 2 years ago
Okay springfling1976, we get it, you want to suck Rich Tarrant's cock.
kain1384 2 years ago
This video is unfairly edited Tarrant is a liar
godlessclif 4 years ago 5
this spring fling group of videos is one of the most unfairly edited stuff I ever saw.
Tarrant is a liar, you cut Bernies answers out of the tape.
godlessclif 4 years ago 2
Sanders is a honest and truthful person,,,I would vote for him
bettyat 4 years ago 2
Tarrant spent $7.3 million - in Vermont! - and only got 32 percent of the vote. You watch this and you suddenly understand why...
daveweigel81 4 years ago 7
You sure do...
Erunestian 4 years ago
SAnders claimed he had support of the VFW but was untrue it was some one of those groups created to support candidates
concerned00citizen 4 years ago
Bernie speaks the truth. Republicans speak the lie.
saadasim 4 years ago
Wow, I didn't know that average americans were so unimformed. It's like they live in the twilight zone
qwerty4197 5 years ago
The guests in that room are both dillusional and ignorant. Its funny, to them saying anything against the government is like smearing the people, and to say the truth about the middle east and be boo'd is just sad for that crowd.
peepsauce 5 years ago
TRUE!! OSAMA IS MORE NOBLE THAN gwb AT LEAST IN THE EYES OF SOME MIDDLE EAST COUNTRY
nebuIar 5 years ago
and the truth is that idiotic democrats like you areichow, probably would like to have dinner with Osama bin Laden, and would also like to help him in his destruction of America
takerfan12009 5 years ago
You are a moron.
AshyKnucks 4 years ago
I watched this video and actually exected that most of the comments would be of people saying "Screw you! Move to France, Sanders!" The typical "freedom fries" mentality. But I was happily surprised to find otherwise. Sadly, most Americans don't want to know the truth. Bin Laden is indeed held in higher regard in a lot of the world- not because some dictator told them to, but because Bush and his cronies have made it so. Might be hard to hear, but it's the truth.
areichow 5 years ago
Stupid americans that can't handle the truth.
ingeborgsjon 5 years ago 2
The average idiot knows that Bin Laden is more popular than Bush in many Islamic countries. I guess the audience is comprised of below-average idiots.
skylights76 5 years ago
Whether or not some hole-in-the-wall middle eastern dictatorship whose citizens can hope for nothing better in this life than a bomb-belt likes OBL better than Bush is not the point. THe point that this scumsucker believes this is important is. He is a disgrace to this country and any state that elects him has forgotten the principles the country was founded on.
bbarlowe 5 years ago
It seems you are just as stupid as the people in the audience. Can't the small brain of yours figure out that maybe there is a reason for the hatred against you. Maybe there were reasons for 9/11. Maybe those reasons goes under the name of US foreign policy. If you want to stop terrorism you have to change what people think about you.
ingeborgsjon 5 years ago
Republicans really hate facts, because everything they have odne has screwed the world up. Fact, Bush is less popular than OBL in the mid east. Why is this important? because one of Bush's many excuses for overthrowing Iraq was to bring them our democratic freedom, posing himself as a leader. Well, for a leader to be successful, they need to have followers and Bush hasn't got any over there.
Blueslide 5 years ago
It's not exactly a secret that some people in some Middle Eastern countries like bin Laden more than Bush...
d8cam 5 years ago
Hmmm, I'd posted a comment here yesterday, but it is missing. Interesting. Is someone deleteing comments that they can't effectively argue against? I think they may be.
It makes a very illuminating comment about the G.O.P. machine. No?
OzrikKnob 5 years ago
The VFW is filled with a bunch of immoral morons who forgot what they were fighting for, and forgot what it was really like when they were fighting.
They're extremely bigotted old farts and can't see the truth if it hits them in the head with a baseball bat.
And this is coming from another veteran old fart who knows better.
They get a lot of deference and unearned, misplaced respect simply because they parade themselves around as veterans.
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
Is this meant to be a pro Republican vid???
cause they look like morons. Can the audience read and write?
darnsmall 5 years ago
Wow. Some people would actually would rather hear b.s. and lies just because they don't like the facts. If you are really that big a loser you shouldn't be voting. Unbelievable.
drivin98 5 years ago
watch this video and learn. This trivial horseshit is used to keep the masses entertained while the real chess game of oil supplies and global domination go on behine the scenes. Osama and a democratic Iraq mean nothing,never did, and its "mission accomplished" with our newly aquired 15 year supply of mid east oil. I'm glad...I drive a V8.
rotkodam 5 years ago
The thing is, WHY HASN'T BUSH CAUGHT HIM THEN! It seems like Republican sheep just feel like running on a record of serial failures is a plus somehow! Its unbelievable doublethink. Did you not hear how even Bill Frist said we should give Afghanistan back to the Taliban? Get these psychotic Republican leaders OUT OF OFFICE. You wouldn't let a 3 year old drive a car would you? Then don't let these freaks run the country!
aitoaster 5 years ago
I just puked in my mouth. The Democrat's point was simple: in parts of the world Osama bin Laden is more respected than Bush. It has nothing to do with partisan politics, and it has nothing to do with respecting that point of view. It is a belief held by hundreds of millions of people, whether you like it or not.
Zorobabel 5 years ago
Come on now guys. Lets face it. People in the middle east don't really like the US. Is this any surprise? making policy to change that may be a good idea if the hearts and minds are to be won, and the actual objective of spreading democracy are to be achieved.
kingvitaman 5 years ago
Another of Tarrent's evil acts
Satwaworld 5 years ago
Tarrent is multi-millinaire uneducated moron. You will not make it, even if you are elected you evil contortionist I will destroy you.
Bring it on
Satwaworld 5 years ago
THIS VIDEO sucks. So do republicans. Give it up Springflinger
BASEBALLAPPLEPIE 5 years ago
So what, just because it's true doesn't mean Sanders has to say it. I'd rather he say something false than say something like that.
ChristianGOP 5 years ago
The only way someone can be pro-Bush these days us by total disregard of reality! Ignore the truth and have faith! What exactly is the difference between that approach and UBL?
scottfree43 5 years ago
This poster would rather have lies than the truth! That's incredible. Well, at least he/she admits it and confirms it by using the two biggest sources of lies and liars on earth as his/her screen name.
rcampbell73 5 years ago
If I could agree more, I would! But I can't!
Uroshnor 5 years ago
If you had some intellectual integrity and character, you'd have the guts to say the truth, rather than prefer to utter lies, just to not appear confrontational. No wonder you are a ChristianGOP! By the way, you being a Christian, there is too much irony in your comment to even begin to respond to it.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
Actually, now I'm thinking that this is such an absurd parody of what someone would actually think that a liberal made this ridiculous screenname and came on here posing as a conservative, just to give liberals more fodder. This couldn't be real, could it?
Uroshnor 5 years ago
Exactly. No one should ever point out uncofortable truths. Doing so makes people reexamine their preconcieved notions. Ignorance is strength.
descendall 5 years ago
You've got to be kidding ! You would rather our politicians lie to us then tell the truth, Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.
Msbehaving 5 years ago
From Pew Research Center's Polls:
"In the predominantly Muslim countries surveyed, anger toward the United States remains pervasive... bin Laden...is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%). .. Majorities in all four Muslim nations surveyed doubt the sincerity of the war on terrorism. Instead, most say it is an effort to control Mideast oil and to dominate the world."
Note: only 5% see bin Laden as good leader, they just want counter to US.
abarenbe 5 years ago
Thanks Dick, for (almost) making the point better than Mr. Sanders himself: Bin Laden IS more popular than George Bush in Muslim countries because Bush and his cabinet have so badly bungled U.S. foreign policy. This IS a fact, and it's not just Muslim countries. It's any number of countries that used to be our "friends." Vote Bernie! Vermont does not need to send another millionaire to the millionaire's club. My vote cannot be bought by silly messages such as Dick Tarrant's.
EdnaSmerdling 5 years ago
I am amazed that the people in Vermont vote for this idiot.
DonKB77 5 years ago
For those libs here who don't understand us being upset with Bernie calling UBL more respected than Bush, allow me to explain. Yes, of course the terrorists do. But that wasn't what Bernie was saying. In context he was legitimizing the position of these people. Acting as if it's simply another point of view.
rightwinged 5 years ago
No, that's not what he was saying. What he was saying, in context, if you had payed attention to the fucking video, was that there are serious problems with the way Gitmo is being run, and therefore he wants to change it, in order to change the perception of those in the middle east who currently favor UBL more than Bush. But, of course, as a con dumbass, I can see how that overwhelmingly obvious fact would sail right over your head.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
I suggest you watch the video again, and then again after that. What I'm saying will still probably elude you, but it's worth the try.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
By the way, thank you so much for trying to explain to us "libs" what your vastly superior brain has understood. If only more cons took the time to explain things to us poor libs. In case you are a moron, yes that's sarcasm. All you've succeeded in doing is convincing me that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
Bush is totally disrespected in so many countires. He's a joke. Tarrent is an evil contortionist.
Satwaworld 5 years ago
Listen to you deranged hateful psychos? Seriously, listen to yourselves for a minute.
Uroshnor, I suggest you do some reading on Gitmo. These guys are treated better than our own prisoners and live better than most of them have in their lives. In fact they came in under weight and are now all overweight because they eat such pimped meals. (cont...)
rightwinged 5 years ago
(...cont) But regardless Uroshnor, what makes you think what you said contradicts what I said? Bernie is attempting to legitimize those who respect UBL more than Bush based on his media aided misleading about Gitmo. He treats it as just another pov, rather than a terrorist supporting mentality. I know, I know. We should all "understand" the terrorists. Let's put 'em on a couch and talk it out.
rightwinged 5 years ago
Listen, the issue that Sanders and Tarrant were discussing is whether or not they would vote to close Gitmo. Sanders was making a point about how Gitmo is a cause celebre for insurgents and terrorists. He was bringing up the valid point that when the US runs such places, our approval (specifically Bush's approval) is so low in some Middle Eastern countries that he is less respected than UBL. (cont...)
Uroshnor 5 years ago
This is not misleading, this is not rhetorical. It's a statement of a fact. And the treatment of the prisoners, while laudable, is irrelevant. Bernie's point is that there are significant issues with the way that the place is run, such that Middle Easterners have a very low opinion of it. We could increase the quality of the way we treat prisoners there 1000 fold, I'm sure it would make little to no difference on how it is PERCEIVED by those in the Middle East.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
And I think you are conflating two views in a misleading way. You keep talking about terrorists, but Bernie was not even discussing the terrorists. He was pointing out the opinion of the general population of Egypt and some other countries. Do you acknowledge that this is a serious mistake on your part, and that it deserves to be rectified by further comment retracting what you've said about terrorists?
Uroshnor 5 years ago
Not at all, you are now agreeing with me. It doesn't matter what we do, these people are going to have a negative opinion of us, because they will always side with the terrorists. It's not because they "precieve" Gitmo a particular way (based on facts), but America is simply the great Satan, the infidels. (cont...)
rightwinged 5 years ago
again, you seem to be on the same page as me that they won't like us no matter what, but you (and Bernie) act as if it's then a legitimate perception for these people to have, and like it matters. What is the point of stating the obvious unless he's given credence to the position? Gotta run, but I think that's the gist.
rightwinged 5 years ago
Why in the world do people who love Bush claim that those who don't agree with all or some of his policies hate him? It isn't hatred of Bush that drives their criticism -- although some do hate him as much as his fans love him -- it is disagreement, often profound disagreement, with the policies he promotes. Why personalize it so much? It makes you sound like lust crazed adolescents with a latent thing for a rock star.
BennyMike 5 years ago
Because, BennyMike, the criticism is rarely a policy debate. It is usually an unfounded assertion that is an attack on his character. For example, "Bush lied". How did he lie? The criticisms, like Bernie's, are rarely, "This is what we ought to do in the Middle East." It's usually, "Osama is more respected than Bush." An unfounded assertion.
barryd53 5 years ago
Do you have statistics to back that up? What is this slippery use of the word "usually"? Yes, this is role reversal. Oh, but I suppose now if you cited statistics it would be alright? Bernie was relying upon opinion polls for his statement. If he should be disallowed from making such statistical comments, then why the hell do we even do such studies? If the results don't line up with what you believe, then you just ignore them anyway.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
There is a methodology to these things, contrary to your assertions.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
do any of you have any data to back up your claims that bin Laden is more respected in the ME than Bush or does it just seem reasonable to you because of your bigotry and intolerance? It seems reasonable to me that most Muslims resent Osama making their religion into murder.
barryd53 5 years ago
"bin Laden is regarded favorably by 65% of Pakistanis and by 55% of Jordanians. Moroccans are divided in their views, with 45% favorable and 42% unfavorable." -- Pew Foundation (continued . . .)
BennyMike 5 years ago
(...continued) "Majorities in every country surveyed except the U.S. have an unfavorable opinion of President Bush, with negative ratings ranging from 57% in Great Britain (with 39% favorable) to 85% negative in both France and Germany." --Pew foundation. These are the facts, found in a valid poll by a non-partisan poling group. It may mean the pople in those other contries are right or it may mean they are stupid, neaither is the point. You asked for data. see http://tinyurl dot com/38vrl
BennyMike 5 years ago
While we know that some of the countrie do not think of Pres. Bush in the positive, you need to see why not just the numbers. France already had in place lucrative contracts with Saddam regarding rebuiling and running oil wells and refineries. Germany had lucrative contracts in play for all the parts needed for the wells refineries and piplines oh and Russia had arms agreements to replace those lost in 1st Gulf War. They were just waiting for sanctions to lift.
40GOPman 5 years ago
The funny thing is that your logic cuts both ways. If the only reason that France disapproved of the war in Iraq was because they DID had oil contracts, you could just as easily phrase that the other way, "the only reason the US approved of the war in Iraq is because it DIDN'T have oil contracts." Both would be equally logically valid (and equally incorrect). This is logic 101.
descendall 5 years ago
I also think, and this is just an opinion that the European countries that have and unfavorable view of President Bush have then because they are afraid that his strong stance and enough is enough attitude towards terrorists and Saddams antics may affect their "norm" and they were not attacked just us as well as the extremist show anti American sentiment not sentiment directed towards their country.
40GOPman 5 years ago
BennyMike, you know there are lies, damn lies and statistics. The survey only asked positive or negative impressions, not the who do you respect? There are a lot of people I don't like but respect tremendously and vice versa. Also how was the poll conducted? who were the respondents? Remember Kerry was ahead on every poll right up till 2004 election.
barryd53 5 years ago
It wasn't about impressions., barry53, it asked if people had a "very favorable" or "very unfavorable" opinion (with several stops in between) of a number of countries and public figures. (continued...)
BennyMike 5 years ago
(. . . continued)I agree with you about "liking" vs. "respecting" but "a very unfavorable opinion" rarely translates into liking. In any case, it really is worth studying the survey itself, as it points out some serious problems with the way the US and its president, and in some cases, Christians and Jews, are perceived. You don't have to like the results, but you asked for data, and there it is. See http://tinyurl dot com/38vrl and downoad the PDF file of data.
BennyMike 5 years ago
Also, Iraqis want us out, according to a poll, but 75% of them voted for the govt we are supporting, a more believeable poll since they faced death to do so.
barryd53 5 years ago
They lost major money and contracts that became nul and void when Saddam was removed from power. Lets not forget the last UN leader and his son were also profiting before his removal. All were also breaking the sanctions under the radar. The UK is they just did not want their troops sent for something they felt did not effect them.
40GOPman 5 years ago
Typical republican. He asks for evidence, and implies that we only think so based upon irrational factors. The only way we can respond is by citing statistical evidence, since that is the point--what percentage of people believe what. We give it to him. Then he discounts the evidence using the tired cliche about statistics. Why didn't you just specify that you weren't looking to learn anything, but only wanted to reinforce your previously held views? Then we'd know not to respond.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
I am always wanting to learn, but to truly learn you need to know what the is behind those statistics not just the numbers. you can't just ask do you like so-in-so with out asking they why-or-why not don't you think? That is something that both parties need to do. Just because I am a republican does not mean I like or approve of everything the do, but I do try to learn the reasons why our leaders republican or democrat do what they are doing. (continued)
40GOPman 5 years ago
In 2 weeks every American will have the chance to voice their opinion at the polls by voting. If the majority dislikes whats happening their will be a change in the majority of congress if not it will stay the same. The shame is that the majority of voting age Americans will note vote and this is how their voice is loud and clear not in the blogs, not on tv not in the newspaper.
40GOPman 5 years ago
Let us also remember Dems will almnost always think Rep. facts are rhetoric and vice versa. It is up to the individual to do the research.The problem today is that to many people just follow their party line no matter what.While I am a republican and lean more to the views of the right, I do listen to the left and do research what they have to say, but they need to say more than just numbers and statistics, because there is always a reason behind them.
40GOPman 5 years ago
It is the reason behind the statistics, the meat of an issue that I try to form my decisions on. While I am Republican and lean to the right, I do listen to the Democratic left and try to find the "meat" of their opinion before I disagree or agree with them. To many people just vote down their party lines now a days. No matter the political views the person should not be attacked like I see often (i am not being attacked here) in here, just the views.
40GOPman 5 years ago
while I agree that President Bush is not viewed favorably in many European countries as well as the Middle East as shown in the polls being stated, I disagree with the Democratic view on why. Whether we are liked or not we are engaged in a mission in the M.E. that needs to be acchomplished, the man and women (the troops)trying to acchomplish this should be honored and respected.
40GOPman 5 years ago
For one, 40gopman is correct. The only reason why France and Russia were against the war in Iraq was because they had oil contracts with Saddam himself. By the way, Saddam will be punished shortly. I heard a verdict was expected within weeks against him.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
There have been plenty of polls done, just google them. News Flash! The US government is despised worldwide.
What seems reasonable isnt always what accords with the facts. Also, Bin Laden or any other jihadist can make a scriptural case, according to Koran, for "murder". If people believe the Muslim religion is one of peace that certain people have perverted, there sadly ignorant.
a5dr3 5 years ago
Bush is hated in almost every country
Satwaworld 5 years ago
Sanders is a disgrace to America, and humanity as a whole! What a jerk! Tarrant deserves to win this race!
pelhamgop 5 years ago
Hello? What he said was "In some countries they have more respect for Osama bin Laden than they do for George Bush." Which is absolutely true.
Pakistan? Afghanistan? Chechnya? Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Iran? I mean, come on. How much love do you think they have for G. Bush? What the man said was 100% true.
He never said that HE loved OBL or any stupid crap like that.
RagingPrimate 5 years ago
What's the controversy? There have been several opinion polls given to those in the middle east, and the approval ratings for UBL is much higher than Bush in many of the countries. It's a disgrace and says a lot about mainstream Islam being more extreme than politicians and its defenders like to suggest, but it's a fact.
TheWebHead 5 years ago
Post a link
tomnbeverly 5 years ago
google "bin laden has a higher approval" (in quotes)
TheWebHead 5 years ago
That's not correct. In fact I have yet to see any opinion polls saying that.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
Can you guys please use your damn brains before you post such stupid crap. He said that in the Middle East, OBL is more respected than Bush. He didn't say that he himself respects OBL more than Bush. Use your heads, don't be so dumb.
grevs 5 years ago
CONTEXT... Give me a break their are 10 million Iraqis voted.... Millions of Afghanis voted.... Everyone of those that did was able to make their voices heard because of George W. Bush nothing less. are we to believe that he gets no respect for this?
How many has UBL freed... How many voices are free because of the enslavement of UBL.. So get real with your figures. George W. Bush is much more respected in the Middle East then you or Mr. Sanders give him credit for.
tomnbeverly 5 years ago
Thanks. Its interesting how Tarrant plays on the primitive instincts of people when he also very well knew what Bernie was saying.
svz20 5 years ago
probably 90%+ of the democrat caucus in congress agrees 110%, and with the way they talk, probably count themselves among those who respect bin laden more than bush. let's put them in power...
phosgene2 5 years ago
Hello? What he said was "In some countries they have more respect for Osama bin Laden than they do for George Bush." Which is absolutely true.
He never said that HE loved OBL or any stupid crap like that.
Pakistan? Afghanistan? Chechnya? Syria? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Iraq? Iran? I mean, come on. How much love do you think they have for G. Bush? What the man said was 100% true.
RagingPrimate 5 years ago
of course he didn't, the guy isn't suicidal, but you actually doubt where he stands? and wow, obl is respected more than bush in some of the darkest, most repressed hellholes on earth. y do we care?
phosgene2 5 years ago
I'm reading a lot of "patriotic" grumblings about this but can the "fact" of what he is saying be disputed? Ooops! I almost forgot, along with the US constitution and bill of rights, wing-nuts can't understand "facts" or "truth".
freeyourcrt 5 years ago
rightwingnuts or leftwingnuts hehehee
olfoogy 5 years ago
too true.
freeyourcrt 5 years ago
BERNIE 'socialist scumbag' SANDERS has for years defrauded the 'yokels' of Vermont and the 'Stalinist wannabe's' at the University of Vermont in Burlington. First he was caught paying his wife and daughter out of campaign donations - felonies! Then he chided the Bush administration on
'tracking' library cards - when he didn't even have one! I might add that in Vermont - a good milking cow is more valuable than Bernie! Bernie is only a Democrat because no money for Socialists!
zyskandar 5 years ago
All muslims respect OBL than Bush.
Shirk is worse than Killing
Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.
KAOSKTRL 5 years ago
the cross tells me all I need to know about the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...My God
olfoogy 5 years ago
Shameful. Bernie Sanders really is a disgrace to his office. If he hates America that much he should leave and go to Egypt or some country where they share his resepct for Osama Bin Ladin, and this is coming from a Canadian.
caper13t 5 years ago
Clearly the sort of Canadian who resulted in their recent right wing government... However you are completely right questionging America is clearly hating the country, not the right and indeed duty of any true citizen. After all the only way to truly participate in democracy is to do what your leaders tell you to.
thaking2003 5 years ago
Yes, it is so much more patriotic to side with your country's enemies because you hate your president more than the terrorists. His actions are not only shameful, they are opportunistic and cheap. He is taking America's enemy's sides because he thinks he can score a cheap political point and maybe, just maybe, gain some political power. People like this dont belong anywhere near a functioning democracy.
caper13t 5 years ago
You idiot. He didn't say HE likes Osama bin Laden. He said "In some countries OBL is more popular than George Bush." AND THAT'S COMPLETELY TRUE.
Ya freakin' retard.
RagingPrimate 5 years ago
Sanders is absolutely correct. However, his opponent failed to ask the important question, which is 'why should we care?' There's nothing to be gained from trying to appease people that hate the United States.
deymond 5 years ago
spoken in true tone my american brother or sister...hard to swallow for most spineless politicos though
olfoogy 5 years ago
Wrong. You think the tens of millions of Free voting Iraqi and Afrgahni people respect UBL over Bush. Get real. It is a Liberal talking point.
tomnbeverly 5 years ago
Sanders actually is a self-avowed Socialist. He runs as an independent because--in his own words-- a socialist can't get elected.
tkel2114 5 years ago
WTF? Sanders is an American?
KuroAme1 5 years ago
reggiefu, do you have any data to back up your claim "Of course bin Laden is more respected in the ME than W. Duh!" or does it just seem reasonable to you because of your bigotry and intolerance? It seems reasonable to me that most Muslims resent Osama making their religion into murder.
barryd53 5 years ago
Well at least this liberal is speaking what he believes the truth to be. Thank God we have Bush as our President a President of action and not appeasement. Thank God that we do not have to worry about Saddam Hussein Gaming the UN Oil For Food and putting WMD in the hands of terrorists. How many times can the Government claim they failed to connect the dots.... Once...
tomnbeverly 5 years ago
bin laden is a true mohammedan, and the puking vomiting left has shown once again who they are in bed with. the left are anti-American swine
Dreadmore 5 years ago
Liberals are so backward... They hate Bush so much that they forget the American people voted this man into the presidency twice! If they ever expect to get anywhere they need to start moving right intsead of left... Basically hate America first munbo jumbo... Pathetic
mjlater 5 years ago
Heck I think UBL can run for VP for the Dems in 08. I never hear a bad word said about him by the Liberal elite.
rickdc 5 years ago
OMG that is too funny and to true...Someone please post a video that shows a Dem talking bad about UBL.... It doesn't exist... The Liberal truth is that its all America's falut anyway.... Islamo Facists cut off our heads and get medals.. We put hoods on theirs and go to prison....
tomnbeverly 5 years ago
Sanders apparently bases his comments on opinions given throughout the world, especially certain areas of Europe and the Middle East. There are those elsewhere in the world who hate George W. enough that they openly trash his name, in which many Dems gladly stand with them. Because of too many reasons to post here, this libertarian happens to agree with Sanders' opinion.
P.S., Watch for additional prob.... er issues to come up after the elections.
squickyclean 5 years ago
Bernie is your typical liberal. Soft on crime, soft on terror. did anyone notice the easy sentnece the lib judge gave the terrorist lawyer for helping terrorist communicate with each other?
SCRUBBOS2 5 years ago
What he didn't have the courage to come right out and say, is that he actually agrees with those countries he mentioned. LOL. A loose-lipped liberal let the cat out of the bag (that they all actually hate Bush and admire Bin Laden), then backpedaled like a mofo trying to minimize the damage. Too funny.
svector 5 years ago
Shame on Drudge for that. I am no Sanders fan but he was right. Of course bin Laden is more respected in the ME than W. Duh! BTW, Jerry Lewis is more popular in France than the USA!
reggiefu 5 years ago
Bernie Sanders Sits In The Democratic Caucus - It's No Wonder That Democrats Keep Losing Elections Because Most Americans Don't Trust A Party That Favors The United Nations, Europe & Appeases Terrorists Before Defending USA.
encierro75 5 years ago
Sanders has no facts to back up his claim that Osama is more respected or popular in Egypt than Bush. He just makes a wild assertion based on his own hatred of Bush, as do many of the childish posters here.
barryd53 5 years ago
And before anyone accuses me of being Pro-Bush, please understand I am not in any sense. I laugh when people like Sanders get butt-hurt when they get cornered because they lack logic. For one, I consider myself a libertarian and I am indeed gay. So pro-Bush is something I am not.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
Anti-Bush fever is a terrible plague. It turns otherwise decent, thoughtful progressives into rabid, raving idiots. Lies, torture, treason, blah, blah, blah...Just once PROVE that your insane blatherings have any basis in reality and don't just quote each other saying them. Here's reality: Jihadists want us all dead: left, right, black, white, gay, straight, it doesn't matter to them.
barryd53 5 years ago
word...
mjlater 5 years ago
Some of you people defending Sanders obviously have never been to the middle east, and I highly doubt you know many muslims. You fools think that muslims actually like Osama? Try talking to them. Bernie was most certainly wrong. I know many pakistanis who do not like Bush, but I also know that they do not like Osama in any sense because Osama is abusing their religion for his own goals. In their religion, like with christianity... that's called blasphemy.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
He didn't say they love him. He said they have more respect for him. If Bush has a rating of 3% and Osama has a rating of 4%, it means that while they both are very unpopular, Osama is more popular than Bush. And yes, I agree with you that Osama is unpopular because of his actions, but that doesn't change the fact that some people respect him for standing up to the US in the region.
Link47 5 years ago
That's not the point. Some people might respect him but those people are idiots and terrorists.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
And where are you getting your numbers from? Your ass?
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
They're hypotheticals. If you read my post closely, you would have noticed that I prefaced the statistics by saying "if."
Link47 5 years ago
Well I'll say I have gotten a little chuckle reading your and Link47's comments.You do not need a political science degree to be able to understand and follow politics or events around the world. Saunders should have never mad the statement whether it is true or false, because either way it is a slap in the face to the government. No matter what over the next to years we will be hearing garbage like this from from both parties.
40GOPman 5 years ago
Let us also not forget that som middle eastern people also must show and and say anti-American views out of fear even if they disagree with them. Many of them do not have the freedom of speech that we enjoy and only can say what the ruling faction in their territory will alow them to say.
40GOPman 5 years ago
Statements like Saunders is highly inflammatory and can even be deadly to our military. With todays internet and media our enemy is able to use this as propaganda to improve their moral essentially by showing the hey look our leader OBN (or others) is liked more than our enemys, all of Islam is behind us etc. and you know they will twist it to thier advantage.
40GOPman 5 years ago
Maybe in the Middle East OBL has more approval than Bush... so should we vote to appease the Middle Easterns? Make it easier for em to come and do an 911 encore? They will love us then!!
wmratz 5 years ago
How dare someone read the works of modern thinkers instead of just the writings of people from a single area with similar views! Shame on this man of open mindness!!
Link47 5 years ago
Link47, please. You don't know what you're talking about. I don't like Bush but I absolutely despise Osama. And those writers, like Marx, Engels and Lenin... though talented, lacked a vision for the future. They were only concerned with the present. That's why Leninism didn't work.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
Lacked vision for the future? Marx wrote about how to create utopia and the steps needed to get there! How is that not looking towards the future with a vision?
And Leninism didn't work because they neglected the whole part of Marx's writing where he said you go through capitalism to grow wealth and then go to socialism. The Soviet Union just went straight from fuedalism to socialism.
Link47 5 years ago
Hah, you are actually trying to defend Marx or Lenin? PLEASE! Stop and think about you're saying. For one, these systems don't work because they don't take into account human nature. I don't need to hear about some pipedream someone invented with the Victorian era Europe in mind. We do not live in that era anymore.
By the way, Marxism is the most ridiculous philosophy and imaginary political system ever invented.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
It's so ridiculous that it's taught in every university-level political theory and international economy class in the US.
Link47 5 years ago
Oh I am in university myself, and have taken two political philosophy courses. Just because I say it is ridiculous does not mean I should read what they wrote. You see, I do not use appeal to the authority arguments like you do.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
As a political science major, I have read Marcuse (a known marxist), Adam Smith, and others. If they are taught, it doesn't mean they are valid. All it means is that they have had an impact on history. Humans have done a lot of ridiculous things in their history, and yes we should know about them.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
correction: Does not mean I shouldn't read what they wrote.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
As a fellow political science major I have read them as well. The fact that they are taught gives them validity. If they simply had an impact on history they would probably just be skimmed over and we would laugh at how silly those people were. However, since we do read them and debate them they are as valid to thought as the works of other political and economic theorists.
Link47 5 years ago
I sent you a private message because this is hard to follow at times. For one, I'll say here... just because you learn about what someone wrote, does not make it correct or valid.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
Link, you represent the death of reason. If you've determined that something is valid because it is being taught to you, why bother learning? No need to determine what works or doesn't work, what is truth or what isn't truth. Just follow blindly, and then be outraged when people question your blind faith.
deymond 5 years ago
Exactly, deymond. How could you go around in life... and not learn about what mistakes people have made in the past? Invalid beliefs (like that of fascism and communism) need to be taught about in classes.
Link obviously has not taken enough political science classes. And logic classes on top of that.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
You are sadly mistaken and I'm actually taking a logic class right now. And I'll continue my thoughts on your PM.
Link47 5 years ago
I have taken several, and I'm nearly done with my bachelors degree. Just a few more semesters. I will then take on a masters program.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
Looking at this kids private message... I can really say he is lacking intelligence and logic. It is actually quite pathetic if he thinks everything is equally logical or valid. What a stooge.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
You seem to be the one lacking intelligence and logic. You are the fool who berates me for a typo that you made! Apparently it is my fault that you made a typo and I took it as something said. If only everyone could pull out the "I mispoke, you should have known it was a mistake" every time they do something wrong.
Link47 5 years ago
And I never said that everything was equally logical of valid. I'm simply saying that you dismiss things because you disagree with them and do not consider their merit. You sir, are the stooge and fool. At least I dont resort to screaming through caps lock.
Link47 5 years ago
You are the one who dismissed my opinion like a little prick because you only think you are right. You are nothing but a stooge. You need to drop out of university because you're quite useless.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
I am? Really? You are the one who took a typo and tried to make a whole big deal about it. You also when on to attack my family, and that crossed the line. bitch.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
I'm not dismissing your opinion. I'm disagreeing with your opinion that Marx is completely wrong. I'm making the point that he is worth reading because he makes a valid argument.
And I wasn't attacking your family. You berated me for not liking democracy so when you said that you were going to tell your sister to take her headscarf off I called you out for being a hypocrite. I would like to know how I attacked your family because I see it as you completely overreacting.
Link47 5 years ago
I think Marx is completely wrong and that is my opinion. If he is completely wrong that does not make him unworthy of reading.
I gave you the treatment you deserved when you attacked my family. I am going to state here: I would never tell my sister to take off her headscarf. If you cannot accept the fact that was a simple typo, you're a little prick.
I would never tell my sister to do anything. You stupid fuck.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
So, how am I a hypocrite, praytell? You're lack of logic and intelligence concerns me. So are you in a community college?
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
You are missing what I am saying completely. I'm fine with the fact that you made a typo. It did not become clear that you made a typo until I pointed out what you had said. You said that I didn't agree with democracy. Then you made a typo later in your message saying that you were going to tell your sister to take her headscarf off, however I at the time did not know you had made a typo.
Link47 5 years ago
So I called you a hypocrite for saying that saying that I didn't agree with democracy because I didn't accept your views yet you didn't accept your sisters view of wearing the headscarf (again, as deducted from your typo).
You can't seem to grasp the fact that I did not know it was a typo at the time. And I go to the University of Delaware where we have more class than resorting to abuse of caps lock in order to get our points across.
Link47 5 years ago
Now back to the original point, I'm saying that Marx is worth reading and that his arguements are legitimate and valid. By teaching them in colleges, they add to its validity because they acknowledge it has an impact.
Marx's arguement may be unsound based on his premises (since his premises do not include human nature, as you said), but it can not be called invalid. Soundness does not determine validity.
Link47 5 years ago
Okay, for one you don't know what you're talking about. I did make a typo, and I am all for my sister wearing her headscarf whenever she pleases to do so.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
You are trying to tell me I'm not okay with it. I clearly am. So I agree with democracy. You do not. University of Delaware? LOL ROTFLMAO. HAHAHAH... please. I go to a Cal State School at the time, and will be going to UCLA for my graduate degree. So please, you don't have class.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
I have more class compared to you, not only that I know how to party a lot better compared to east coasters.
I never said Marx wasn't worth reading. He certainly is because he had a historical impact on entire nations (most notably Russia, even if Russia did not follow what he stated). However his arguments are NOT legitimate, nor are they valid. Often professors teach things because they had a historical impact on humanity. It doesn't make it valid or legitimate.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
I'm trying to tell you that I was saying that you were a hypocrite before I found out it was a typo. The hypocrite arguement obviously no longer stands because what you said changed.
I'm not even going to get into an arguement over schools and east coast and west coast, how childish.
Link47 5 years ago
Now, about Marx. I'm not saying that I agree with him, I'm just saying that he made a few good points and should not be completely discarded because of the ways his ideas were implemented. I dont want to continue to argue legitimacy and validity with you, since we seem to have different ideas on what it means.
Link47 5 years ago
What I said didn't stand because it wasn't what I meant, and it isn't representative of the reality. I am all for my sister wearing her headscarf. You then proceeded to attack my sexuality.
Marx is not legitimate, nor is he valid. He wrote well, but that doesn't change the fact that his arguments were not good at all.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago
I didn't attack your sexuality. I said that you and your sister both made lifestyle choices. I did not intend to insult your sexuality, I was saying that you should both respect eachothers choices (in reference to the typo that I didn't know was a typo). Whether or not people are born gay is not a debate I really wish to have, mainly because I don't have an opinion on it.
Link47 5 years ago
I disagree, I think parts of his arguement made sense but I do agree that it wouldn't work because of outside influences. Maybe in a bubble Marx's progression of society could occur.
Link47 5 years ago
Too bad his arguments were all delusional. Marx's progression of society can never occur because capitalism is better. Marxism is only a regression. It is basically a slave society no matter how much you want to gloss it over.
giancarlo1985 5 years ago