That fact that even children love to spin while at play proves it is innate to the human condition to crave altered states of reality. Fascinating subject, Rae.
HI!...I absolutely adore the way you edit and compile your videos...kudos girlfriend!!! But most importantly the beauty you exude through your words and maneurisms is what really touches me....
the second song is "Day 1" by Explosions in the Sky (maybe the best band of all time?) from "The Rescue" EP. also love PG's "Solo Piano" album. _and_ watched one yesterday where you featured Bon Iver's "Lump Sum". keep it up! do you lastfm? thanks for the vids :-)
...in the end, it is the exprience that holds value.
People say that what we're all seeking is a meaning for life... I think that what we're really seeking is an experience of being alive, so that our life experiences on the purely physical plane will have resonance within our innermost being and reality, so that we can actually feel the rapture of being alive. —Joseph Campbell
I don't like how the word "drugs" is used here. There is a clear difference between psychedelics which can enhance experiences and create new neural connections, and "drugs", many of which just numb perceptions and shut down parts of the brain.
I've seen the lives of dear loved ones go down the toilet because of drugs. On the other hand, I've had the most enlightening experiences while on psychedelics.
Please don't confuse people by failing to make a distinction.
Yep, you kind of squeezed it in there quickly and I couldn't even hear it the first time. I just wouldn't have gone through the whole vid using the wrong word.
Sorry to make a big deal about it, but the destruction of drugs of abuse is so incredibly contrary to the benefit of psychedelics, and I would hate for anyone to believe them to be similar. It hits close to home for me.
Good vid though, and people should have these discussions.
I meant I guess I'm interested in the issue, cuz I ended up watching it more than once. Do drugs give you access to parts of your mind you otherwise wouldn't have access to? I think I've decided the answer's yes. I don't think they should be glorified, as you noted, but maybe they can enlighten. They don't *necessarily* enlighten, but maybe they *can*.
I wouldn't say you can "experience the divine" through them, but alter your entire neurochemistry to allow novel perceptions? Yes.
Well done! And you're a CIIS student - very good. And you know John - sort of ... ok. :) I like him too. I really liked this video actually. I loved the references to both Fantastic Mr. Fox and Reefer Madness. Look forward to meeting you.
I suppose what it comes down to is thinking vs feeling. Thinking can be a useful tool in living and understanding our world, but thinking at its core is just symbols. Our society is filled with symbols and phantom mental processes called thoughts. Feeling is a much more primal way to understand the experience, and feeling is what is lacking today. People often times numb themselves too much. Our feelings can mislead us no doubt, but rational applications of feelings can lead to great things.
"God" is the personal bastardization of an attempt to encapsulate the totality from a constituent point of view by accepting a commercial replication of an ergot/dmt/lsa/psyloscbin inspired image.
@gen6k so you think hallucinogenics are the only way to "see" God? Also how can it be a "Personal" bastardization when one does not believe God is Anthropomorphic?
well its basically already ontotheology since the transformation between the ontic and ontological difference is vastly poetic. i mean to know the god that is contacting certain humans, we would probably need to verify that against all the institutions of knowledge and emotion simultaneously, and that would still only be intersubjective. plus, there is an overwhelming amount of empirical evidence that god has been reappropriated. look at jahovahs witness, hitler, the amish, get off the comp.
I'm sorry, but could you please reiterate the answer to my second question in a less vague manner; you obviously know something I don't. Also don't tell me to get off the comp.
god is "beyond being" we do not know god, our physiological makeup is deterministic, that is that the majority of consciousness works on classical mechanics, even so, god was always merely a possibility, and more of a ritual than anything scientific or quasi-scientific, and the theoretics behind it dont have anything to do with normal life.
That seems a bastardization of the word "truth:" "Yours and yours alone." But at the same time, the more you extend the idea of "truth" into something universal, the more tenuous its claim of reflecting reality becomes. How do YOU define "truth?" If it is just a subjective "truth," what is NOT truth? With that sort of usage, doesn't "truth" become mutable? Like I said: it seems a bastardization. I tend to stay away from claiming anything as truth. I don't find it particularly useful.
As to psychodelics/drugs... one sounds more palatable, I admit, but the former is just a subset of the latter. If someone values the experiences they have while using drugs, breaking the blood/brain barrier, that's fine, but I highly doubt that it elevates someone's awareness in a meaningful way. I've heard people say drugs lend you a new perspective. Perhaps in some limited sense, but they don't seem to enhance one's ability to interpret reality; they can certainly harm it.
your video was a nice experience subjectively in the moment... but the concepts being argued, like "personal truth", and the divine, leave a intellectual aftertaste or hangover that certainly seems not to make it worth it.
I agree, I would love to iron out the thoughts/beliefs more but I think it's time I just start putting those ideas out there and seeing what happens... hopefully I'll be challenged and then badda bing we all win!
Well, I'll start with a definition of mediation. Mediation is a process of detachment. You use the method of repetition to direct your focus within, and in doing this, your body will first become numb, then your brain will start to calm itself, and your material physical senses will turn off, then you begin to be able to see light and sound that comes from within. Could you explain "energetic losses"? Are you saying you fall asleep in mediation or get tired by it or something else?
Shit yes thanks! Little bit of identity theft there. Thanks for the suggestions! About the energetic losses, I feel I need to think about it a bit more.
The human condition arrests one whom desires to truly seek. The things created to entertain also hinder spiritual things. Your comment that many are seeking a "fast track" thru drugs couldn't be more profound. As doors open to one seeking, they begin to see through less shaded lenses, which can be likened to being high. In contrast to the brain trying to sustain reality by assigning braincells to the ones that were just killed, which inturn, can add a darker shaded lense after the repair.
So, while drugs, or other means of acheiving an "enhanced experience", would be a theoretically valid way of discovering one's personal, existential definition, it becomes completely obsolete if one wishes to extend this understanding to anything but themselves. I think....
Interesting. The obvious problem with the use of drugs and the like, that is, methods of altering a person's fundemental experience, is the lose of objectivity. But then, if you wanted to discover Truth with a capital "t", then being objective would be meaningless.
And If I increase the strength of that objective character, that silent observer, then perhaps I can have these "altered" experiences with the added perspective already integrated?
I love the way you present your videos. The question in your description reminded me of what Ram Das said in 'Be Here Now'.. he was talking about this subject and said "It's all the same trip". I've had that 'desperately wanting to feel something' that you described.
Apart from Salvia and Weed.. I've never tried what could be considered any psychedelics or entheogens. But.. I think you may have mentioned something like this.. I just know that I'm where I'm supposed to be right now. I know of some that I would like to take but I try not to get attached to the idea. I look forward to it though. :) (I may get to grow some shrooms soon too, so that'll be exciting.)
I was in the music indstry for 19 years and although i agree drugs alter our experience its no more spiritual than watching a deep movie or staying up without sleep for 2 days...some of the guys when i was 18 are still takin drugs in their 30s but i dont see that theyve moved on or gained any higher perspective... they just have some memories and a future full of panic attacks....There was nothing at the end of that rainbow... i got more enlightenment out of watchin the wizard of oz ten times
...and finally, The Banking Elite, which are the super Left Brain Dominant end of the spectrum, want to imprison us in their Left Brain World; They are the Machines that control The Matrix
The Elites are trying very hard right now to push the copenhagen treaty through, since it is the precursor to their One World Dictatorship/Depopulation Agenda; I beleive once people realize that Al Gore, the UN, The Elites, the Banking Elite, are pushing this GWScam, specifcally for this purpose, they will reach a stalemate with the more right brained slaves, from which a compromise, an ultimate synthesis will emerge, which I call The Newly Improved World Order
From Jill Bolte Taylor's My Stroke of Insight, you can deduce that much of what eastern thinkers talk about as 'being in the now' or the loss of the feeling of solidity and loss of boundaries, that are experienced on psychedelics, is a Right Brain Dominant State...But Society is The Left Brain World and The Left Brain World is The Matrix...you can see why they are illegal
Just say Know! Open the Doors and Be Here Now! I'm so glad I checked out your channel,thanks Rae.
mtnman3MTA3 1 year ago
Interesting thoughts. Thanks for making this.
patternsinchaos 1 year ago
That fact that even children love to spin while at play proves it is innate to the human condition to crave altered states of reality. Fascinating subject, Rae.
battlebauble 1 year ago
HI!...I absolutely adore the way you edit and compile your videos...kudos girlfriend!!! But most importantly the beauty you exude through your words and maneurisms is what really touches me....
*Love Always Ness*
xoxoxNESSxoxox 1 year ago
Idk...the world is not a "fantastic" place for everyone....
KidA599 1 year ago
@KidA599 How true. How much of a part do you honestly think that perception plays in the balance?
RaeofSunder 1 year ago
@KidA599
World is what u make it to be :) world is perfect, u just have to see it
lukadila 1 year ago
love phillip glass. the red violin = <3
BenMakesMusic 1 year ago
the second song is "Day 1" by Explosions in the Sky (maybe the best band of all time?) from "The Rescue" EP. also love PG's "Solo Piano" album. _and_ watched one yesterday where you featured Bon Iver's "Lump Sum". keep it up! do you lastfm? thanks for the vids :-)
egoistorms 1 year ago
...in the end, it is the exprience that holds value.
People say that what we're all seeking is a meaning for life... I think that what we're really seeking is an experience of being alive, so that our life experiences on the purely physical plane will have resonance within our innermost being and reality, so that we can actually feel the rapture of being alive. —Joseph Campbell
Excellent work you are doing. Thank you.
Namaste,
CG
kathmandau 2 years ago
I don't like how the word "drugs" is used here. There is a clear difference between psychedelics which can enhance experiences and create new neural connections, and "drugs", many of which just numb perceptions and shut down parts of the brain.
I've seen the lives of dear loved ones go down the toilet because of drugs. On the other hand, I've had the most enlightening experiences while on psychedelics.
Please don't confuse people by failing to make a distinction.
ATHEISTIQ 2 years ago
@ATHEISTIQ ( did you watch the whole thing? Near the end I point out that exact distinction. I very much agree with you, m'dear! )
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
Yep, you kind of squeezed it in there quickly and I couldn't even hear it the first time. I just wouldn't have gone through the whole vid using the wrong word.
Sorry to make a big deal about it, but the destruction of drugs of abuse is so incredibly contrary to the benefit of psychedelics, and I would hate for anyone to believe them to be similar. It hits close to home for me.
Good vid though, and people should have these discussions.
ATHEISTIQ 2 years ago
Yeah, I've officially watched this 3 times now.
I dunno. I guess I'm...I dunno.
:?
:D
fulekkei 2 years ago
@fulekkei yo man, what's this comment about? Put it together! eheh just kidding, but seriously- are you on drugs?
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
@R
I meant I guess I'm interested in the issue, cuz I ended up watching it more than once. Do drugs give you access to parts of your mind you otherwise wouldn't have access to? I think I've decided the answer's yes. I don't think they should be glorified, as you noted, but maybe they can enlighten. They don't *necessarily* enlighten, but maybe they *can*.
I wouldn't say you can "experience the divine" through them, but alter your entire neurochemistry to allow novel perceptions? Yes.
fulekkei 2 years ago
Well done! And you're a CIIS student - very good. And you know John - sort of ... ok. :) I like him too. I really liked this video actually. I loved the references to both Fantastic Mr. Fox and Reefer Madness. Look forward to meeting you.
adamphudson 2 years ago
I suppose what it comes down to is thinking vs feeling. Thinking can be a useful tool in living and understanding our world, but thinking at its core is just symbols. Our society is filled with symbols and phantom mental processes called thoughts. Feeling is a much more primal way to understand the experience, and feeling is what is lacking today. People often times numb themselves too much. Our feelings can mislead us no doubt, but rational applications of feelings can lead to great things.
silverbackman 2 years ago
@silverbackman I totally agree! God is in the baaaalance. (said like a true sheep) But I really believe it too!
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
@RondoRaven What are we protecting by fearing the possibility of a change I wonder?
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
This is all bullshit!
zuniga6412 2 years ago
"God" is the personal bastardization of an attempt to encapsulate the totality from a constituent point of view by accepting a commercial replication of an ergot/dmt/lsa/psyloscbin inspired image.
gen6k 2 years ago
@gen6k so you think hallucinogenics are the only way to "see" God? Also how can it be a "Personal" bastardization when one does not believe God is Anthropomorphic?
citricsystemz 2 years ago
well its basically already ontotheology since the transformation between the ontic and ontological difference is vastly poetic. i mean to know the god that is contacting certain humans, we would probably need to verify that against all the institutions of knowledge and emotion simultaneously, and that would still only be intersubjective. plus, there is an overwhelming amount of empirical evidence that god has been reappropriated. look at jahovahs witness, hitler, the amish, get off the comp.
gen6k 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but could you please reiterate the answer to my second question in a less vague manner; you obviously know something I don't. Also don't tell me to get off the comp.
citricsystemz 2 years ago
@gen6k I think you are over analyzing both the possibility and that ramifications of what we do know compared to what we don't.
citricsystemz 2 years ago
god is "beyond being" we do not know god, our physiological makeup is deterministic, that is that the majority of consciousness works on classical mechanics, even so, god was always merely a possibility, and more of a ritual than anything scientific or quasi-scientific, and the theoretics behind it dont have anything to do with normal life.
gen6k 2 years ago
That seems a bastardization of the word "truth:" "Yours and yours alone." But at the same time, the more you extend the idea of "truth" into something universal, the more tenuous its claim of reflecting reality becomes. How do YOU define "truth?" If it is just a subjective "truth," what is NOT truth? With that sort of usage, doesn't "truth" become mutable? Like I said: it seems a bastardization. I tend to stay away from claiming anything as truth. I don't find it particularly useful.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
As to psychodelics/drugs... one sounds more palatable, I admit, but the former is just a subset of the latter. If someone values the experiences they have while using drugs, breaking the blood/brain barrier, that's fine, but I highly doubt that it elevates someone's awareness in a meaningful way. I've heard people say drugs lend you a new perspective. Perhaps in some limited sense, but they don't seem to enhance one's ability to interpret reality; they can certainly harm it.
GwydionMapDon 2 years ago
try stong opiates ( don't really ), but if you did they'd give you the perspective that it's all shit.
effcircles 2 years ago
That what is all shit?
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
uh sorry, i meant everything, but my comment was really too impulsive.
effcircles 2 years ago
your video was a nice experience subjectively in the moment... but the concepts being argued, like "personal truth", and the divine, leave a intellectual aftertaste or hangover that certainly seems not to make it worth it.
whiplash is everywhere ;-)
DoNotGod 2 years ago
I agree, I would love to iron out the thoughts/beliefs more but I think it's time I just start putting those ideas out there and seeing what happens... hopefully I'll be challenged and then badda bing we all win!
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
You should practice mediation and avoid the taking of drugs if you are serious about having deep altered states.
o0JustNobody0o 2 years ago
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Mathfails 2 years ago
@Mathfails
Well, I'll start with a definition of mediation. Mediation is a process of detachment. You use the method of repetition to direct your focus within, and in doing this, your body will first become numb, then your brain will start to calm itself, and your material physical senses will turn off, then you begin to be able to see light and sound that comes from within. Could you explain "energetic losses"? Are you saying you fall asleep in mediation or get tired by it or something else?
o0JustNobody0o 2 years ago
@o0JustNobody0o
This was actually Rae talking on my account, im not sure she new i was signed in...
Mathfails 2 years ago
Shit yes thanks! Little bit of identity theft there. Thanks for the suggestions! About the energetic losses, I feel I need to think about it a bit more.
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
If you have any more questions, just ask.
o0JustNobody0o 2 years ago
you are fulfilling your soul's mission in this life experience. for this reason. much peace & love to you this fine day! :D
Lucas
rawlucas 2 years ago
The human condition arrests one whom desires to truly seek. The things created to entertain also hinder spiritual things. Your comment that many are seeking a "fast track" thru drugs couldn't be more profound. As doors open to one seeking, they begin to see through less shaded lenses, which can be likened to being high. In contrast to the brain trying to sustain reality by assigning braincells to the ones that were just killed, which inturn, can add a darker shaded lense after the repair.
EyeGates 2 years ago
Wow. Great response to Jonathan. I've never seen a video like this.
masterm1k3 2 years ago
....
So, while drugs, or other means of acheiving an "enhanced experience", would be a theoretically valid way of discovering one's personal, existential definition, it becomes completely obsolete if one wishes to extend this understanding to anything but themselves. I think....
TheHopefulSpark 2 years ago
Interesting. The obvious problem with the use of drugs and the like, that is, methods of altering a person's fundemental experience, is the lose of objectivity. But then, if you wanted to discover Truth with a capital "t", then being objective would be meaningless.
TheHopefulSpark 2 years ago
And If I increase the strength of that objective character, that silent observer, then perhaps I can have these "altered" experiences with the added perspective already integrated?
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
2:25 ROFLMAO!!!!
rawlucas 2 years ago
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Mathfails 2 years ago
I love the way you present your videos. The question in your description reminded me of what Ram Das said in 'Be Here Now'.. he was talking about this subject and said "It's all the same trip". I've had that 'desperately wanting to feel something' that you described.
TheLatasia 2 years ago
And how do you reconcile that in Your life?
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
Apart from Salvia and Weed.. I've never tried what could be considered any psychedelics or entheogens. But.. I think you may have mentioned something like this.. I just know that I'm where I'm supposed to be right now. I know of some that I would like to take but I try not to get attached to the idea. I look forward to it though. :) (I may get to grow some shrooms soon too, so that'll be exciting.)
TheLatasia 2 years ago
I was in the music indstry for 19 years and although i agree drugs alter our experience its no more spiritual than watching a deep movie or staying up without sleep for 2 days...some of the guys when i was 18 are still takin drugs in their 30s but i dont see that theyve moved on or gained any higher perspective... they just have some memories and a future full of panic attacks....There was nothing at the end of that rainbow... i got more enlightenment out of watchin the wizard of oz ten times
MoreSciFiThanScience 2 years ago
I totally agree with your position.You have said here that you can inspire enlightenment from even the mere witnessing of a film.
With the right intention, anything can be trans-formative.
Even, I believe, something we may be afraid of, something that requires and eventually supplies more awareness, like a substance.
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
...and finally, The Banking Elite, which are the super Left Brain Dominant end of the spectrum, want to imprison us in their Left Brain World; They are the Machines that control The Matrix
CammieSpectrum 2 years ago
Interesting references that I need to check out!
I think we agree that a rebalancing is needed, which may require the tipping of the pendulum a few more times until it is achieved.
RaeofSunder 2 years ago
The Elites are trying very hard right now to push the copenhagen treaty through, since it is the precursor to their One World Dictatorship/Depopulation Agenda; I beleive once people realize that Al Gore, the UN, The Elites, the Banking Elite, are pushing this GWScam, specifcally for this purpose, they will reach a stalemate with the more right brained slaves, from which a compromise, an ultimate synthesis will emerge, which I call The Newly Improved World Order
CammieSpectrum 2 years ago
...and also, when Krishnamurti tlaks about 'Freedom from the Known', he really means freedom from the Left Brain
CammieSpectrum 2 years ago
From Jill Bolte Taylor's My Stroke of Insight, you can deduce that much of what eastern thinkers talk about as 'being in the now' or the loss of the feeling of solidity and loss of boundaries, that are experienced on psychedelics, is a Right Brain Dominant State...But Society is The Left Brain World and The Left Brain World is The Matrix...you can see why they are illegal
CammieSpectrum 2 years ago 2
Papa Matrix and Mama Matrix, need to reunite for some cultural sex, they've been separated long enough in current Westernized society.
Mathfails 2 years ago