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07:32 Judge Malihi has NOT "ruled that Obama must show he is eligible to be President for 2012 Georgia ballot." I deeply wish this were true. Sadly, Malihi made a bizarre ruling in favor of the absent respondent. But spreading false information does not help our cause.
@scaryterry24 What? It wasn’t about misspelling dumb ass and you will get over it. What I’m posting is that you telling me that I cannot interpret the US Constitution but a Judge agrees with that way I do than you do. That is it, then the FORD RULES was the last thing. Get over it, we don’t agree on how to read the Constitution but I bet we agree on other things right.
@bulrydrdan ovousley you don't understand how the constitution is suppose to be interpreted. In the constitution the are many references to a verry well known book of the era that it was written called the Law of Nations and it states in that book that a natural born citizen is a person of which both parents are citizen of that nation. so go ahead and state untrue facts again
@scaryterry24 Anyone who starts a post with, "obviously you don't understand how the constitution is suppose to be interpreted." is really stating, "obviously you and Judge Mahili don't agree with me, but I know more than a judge does." because you’re a law professor, right. But I do agree in your choose of trucks.
@scaryterry24 if you happen to be swiss. de vattel was writing on the citizenship laws of his native switzerland. he also did not use the words `natural born citizen´as they do not appear in his native tongue in which the book was written
but if you feel swiss law should take precedence over u.s. law, take it to court. you´ll fail the same as all the other cases have
@erizo1602 Terry I read the English translation of Vattel writing, and he was clearly
writing with intent to ANY nation's citizen ship, although Switzerland had Italian, German, and French Cantons, and the divided loyalty issue was clearly a concern at the time of his writing, he did NOT mean it to apply only to Switzerland. Thanks for a thoughtful comment.
@williamjwagener the point you seem to misunderstand is that the law of nations was a book about the law in the time it was written. it was not a book OF law applicable to all countries then and now. de vattel is irrelevent to presidential eligability. there is nowhere in any civics book, u.s. law or the constitution that says that for nbc status you must have 2 citizen parents.
if there is, show us, because the law disagrees with you as every case has shown
These nutcase Birfers suffer from Obsessive Obama Disorder. Imagine spending your entire life obsessing over the President of the United States of America!!! Takes obsession to a whole new level. LOL! No Hollywood star has had so many obsessive followers!
The President is eligible, you nutters! Barack Hussein Obama will still be your President from 2012 until 2016, so you sad psychos have a choice: to either deal with it maturely like grownups, or end up in a high security mental institution!
@neonightkiller I've said it before and I'll say it again: I have yet to see any evidence to support the hypothesis that obama is anything but what he says he is, or a proper explanation for what all the necessary actors in the birther conspiracy hoped to achieve.
According to this video's title, " Orly TAITZ - Wins Judgement in Georgia court of Judge Mahili " but according to the FACTS & Docket Number: OSAH-SECSTATE-CE- • 1215136-60-MALIHI Mr Obama under Georgia Code Section 21-2-5, meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the Office of the President of the United States. Decision is entirely based on the law, as well as the evidence and legal arguments presented at the hearing.
@erizo1602 Oh you think this is over? That’s like saying that racism is over when the Equal Rights movement WON. Or ignorance is eliminated when public schools were created. Some people will never accept Obama as the POTUS because he is black period they continue to lose and if they even get a hearing it is considered a victory but if they lose the judgment that it must be more corruptions. They will never accept the simple truth but hell the world needs its ditch diggers.
@TheGeminiStudios Because the united states has been conditioned to fear leftward thinking. Socialism is considered a dirty word akin to "dictator" or "fascist".
@gaddez Actually, that is FUNNY. Social Security is socialism. But it was ripped off and Borrowed against by every Congress since Eisenhower left office in 1959-1960. Health care by State, SSI, that is all Socialism... it just is gradual and not brutal, with some safe guards, and Americans are addicted to it, not "Fearful". And it too is failing, but slower than the more radical Communist-socialist states. Thanks for your thoughts.
@gaddez Ok, that is fair...LOL but I'm one of them people (well not the crazy Birthers ones) you don't see me posting lies or false information or even miss reading the Constitution. I'm a Republican and I don't agree with Obama's politics. But I'm not going to lie about my US Constitution because of it, I'm going to try to vote my candidate in according to the law
@bulrydrdan if Republicans had not had a coronation of McCain, in St Paul in 08 [ I was up there] but chosen Ron PAUL, we would NOT be putting up with BUSH-OBAMA continued bail outs in SECRET for the BAnkGangsters... Ron Paul would have demanded FULL DISCLOSURE of Fed. Res. Bank, of NYC and probably criminal charges after that, and thousands of G.I.s would be home instead of buried and dead.
Haven't you notice that RP has tremendous following, and yet the Big MEDIA continually insult him.
@williamjwagener The only reason people are afraid of Ron Paul, is they feel he is too much of a Constitution follower. And because of that will not work well with the Democrats to get anything done. So people are afraid of 4 years of arguing about what Constitutional & what’s not, instead of getting things done. People do seem to forget that there are 3 checks & balances (Pres, Congress & the Senate) I feel Ron can get the job done.
@bulrydrdan I like you sir. You appear to have chosen to vote for the republicans but are doing so for a *real* reason; I'm guessing because you disagree with his economic policy?
It's rare that I come across republicans on youtube comments who aren't hyper partisan (or inane ron paul fans).
@gaddez Thanks, and yes economics is one and there some of foreign policies as well. I believe Ron Paul has some great ideas, and do think the others are just in it to be President. I just see how the Democrats here in CA are, and they are horrible, they believe in take more of our right away and giving more to illegal’s. But hell no matter who the Pres is the US will still move on. Nice talking with you.
He is not my president & I will never serve the US Army while he is in the white corrupt house. He is a traitor for signing the NDDA bill to detain American Citizens indefinite with no right to trial or a lawyer. If I had the power I would of mailed him back to Kenya in a wooden box; labeled as hazardous waste.
they way you know that donald trump was a faker when it comes to "birther" issue, is that on any of his twitter accounts etc doesnt say a word about this trial.
they just controlled the issue away with his fake-ass hair and fish-mouth.
as someone who just recently decided to look into this for myself, this is very interesting.
I assume they needed someone from the outside of the country, not bound by the laws, to destroy the constitution.
this was an administrative hearing, not a trial (that can only make a recommendation, and no judgement), and on the 5th the reccomendation will be sent to the SoS.
the SoS will look at the certified copy of the LFBC, see he´s ovr 35, and resident for the years needed, and will say `o.k.´, and he´ll be on the ballot.
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To be President of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA and it requires 2 conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
Obama's father was NEVER an American citizen!
Therefore OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!
Check "The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at puzo1.blogspot.com
@michaelhtvr if you´re relying on mario apuzzo for constitutional advice, you´re a lost cause.
nowhere in the constitution does it say that both parents must be american citizens.
prove me wrong - this is a direct challenge - show me where it says exactly that in the u.s. constitution.
there are 2 categories of citizen - natural born and naturalised - your president was never naturalised as he was not a foreigner, so that leaves what? there is no other category.
@erizo1602 EXCUSE ME. Erizo, but your WRONG. What part of WRONG don't you get. There are Three types of citizens when looking at elected positions that could lead to the Presidency. The EXPERTs were heard in court just days ago, Here it is on YOU TUBE.
Part 1
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part 4
com/watch?v=EOcpn-E_JAY&feature=watch_response Obama has NO defense to his Fraud,apparently, that is why his attorney Jablonski did not show up as ORDERED by the Court. Is Obama above LAW.?
WAIT A MINUTE MISS CLAUDEEN- There is more to this sick story. The Barry Obama Presidency is part of an agenda by the ruling oligarchy to discredit the US Goverrnment, the office of the president and the US Consitution .. This is why they installed an illegitimate president. To make America look ridiculous.
Obamas bailed out bossses want World Governance. The integrity of the Consitutional Republic must be destroyed first.... and they need more trillion
Judge decided to hear the case to put an end to the moronic law suits . No one has been Vindicated. If he rules against you. It will make harder to have another suit.
I'm glad I'm old and retired, but it's the younger generations who fell for Obama's charades and voted him into office I sympathize with. If Obama gets reelected then the under 50 year olds will slowly see the nation slip into Hell, where the Declaration of Independence, constitution and Bill of Rights are toilet paper. They will die trying to regain the Republic. LOL Obots get ready to get screwed, but remember I tried to warn you. A sad day for America.
@borderraven His father could be Bobo the Clown from Mars, and he could have been born in a Yurt in Nepal: he is a US citizen at birth, according to Title 8 SS 1401 of US Code.
There is no Congressional or Constitutional definition recognized as law that defines "natural born." Congress passed SR 511 stating McCain is a natural born citizen, because he was not born in the US, but a Panamanian hospital. Know who sponsored the bill? Clinton and Obama.
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To be President of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USAand it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
Obama's father was NEVER an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!
"The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at puzo1.blogspot.com
so many stupid fuckin people,they dont even know the diff between a citen,natural born, vs naturalized,besides he is using a #ss from Conn...how stupid do have to be to not understand how blatantly obvious this is....
They know the difference, they just don't care. The definition of NBC was never disputed until recently, I learned what an NBC was in the mid 90's while in high school. It's very shameful and scary that there are people who continue to support this guys despite the fact that he is ineligible and intentionally bringing us to our knees.
Luckily the founding fathers made the Const easy enough for all of us to understand. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are 2 citizenship statuses in Art II. Combine that with how the term was defined all the way up until the last 3 years(apparently) and you'll get your answer. You understand? I realize you don't think it's fair, doesn't negate it, sorry.
i did not vote for, nor believe that president obama is a particually good president. he is not `my boy´.
i do however believe in the democratic system and the constitution, and it pisses me off when birfoons try to re-write the constitution for their own ends because they´re upset that a scary guy with a weird name is in the white house. he is your president until at least the election. stop being anti-american and respect your constitution
Well, if you don't support him I apologize. But, you really need to study early American history, natural law, and how the term natural born citizen has been defined until apparently 3 years ago. I never cared where the man was born, my issue was that he wasn't eligible by virtue of his father, in fact nearly 90% of the lawsuits regarding his ineligible have been about his non-NBC status. Orly is about the only one that has pursued his birth certificate.
@1776iscoming wrote - Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are 2 citizenship statuses in Art II.
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find a constitutional expert who agrees with you, or a direct quote from article II supporting your arguement, and i might take you seriously.
although that in itself is hard to do, considering you are regurgitating rubbish that was thoroghly debunked 3 years ago. article II didn´t change in substance or interpretation, the birfoons wanted it to change when obama was elected
@erizo1602 Dude, look at the 2 biggest cases that have defined natural born citizen, Wong v Ark and Minor v Happerstett. The term did not need to be defined in the Constitution because everybody knew what it meant, just like they knew what "age of thirty five years" meant. There are a bunch of 19th century documents online that define the term, I'm not sure why it's a big mystery other than people are trying to re-define terms to keep this guy in office.
@erizo1602 I don't know, nor do I care, it's meaningless and doesn't overrule USSC precedent. My guess is that they were in over their heads, should have hired a lawyer. Regarding my last post, I should have worded it that the 2 cases reiterated the definition. By the way, he is not my "President", I have yet to address him as such and will not. We don't even know if and when his name was changed from Soetoro to Obama, so I wouldn't even know how to address him even if he was legitimately..
(cont'd) holding the office. There is a reason John Jay inserted the NBC clause into Article 2, so that we wouldn't have a CIC with foreign allegiances. We are seeing the fruits of not heeding their wisdom before our very eyes. If this guy is allowed on the ballot again, our Constitution is pretty much meaningless. Art 2 was just about the last part of the document that had not been circumvented until 2008. Our Republic is within months of being completely destroyed.
@1776iscoming you should care. it illustrated (read the arkeny case if you haven´t before) as it illustrates quite simply the reasoning and precedent to NBC status.
likewise, you should know the difference between the 2 categories that exist for citizenship. there are no more than 2 naturalised for foreigners and NBC for the rest - end of story.
like it or not, he IS your democratically elected president. saying otherwise is denying the u.s democratic system and is anti-american.
@erizo1602 I have read it and like I said it is absolutely meaningless. Natural law is something that today's society can't comprehend because they think the government gives our rights and not God. It's really quite simple and there is absolutely no doubt about the citizenship of a Natural Born Citizen precisely because a Natural Born Citizen is the kind of citizen that cannot be any other kind, naturally. NBC has always been defined as born on US soil to US citizen parents. By the way, we..
(cont'd) live in a Republic not a democracy. And I've lost 2 many friends supporting and defending the U.S. Constitution to not care that we have a man that is spitting upon that document and their graves ever single day that he is allowed to remain in office. He is not my President until he proves otherwise and I(and every other person who has served) have done more in support of the Constitution over the past decade than 98% of the US population will do in their lives.
@1776iscoming i never said the u.s. was a democracy, i was talking about the democratic system. read more carefully next time.
regardless of your point of view, he is your democratically elected president and commander in chief, and as far as proof is concerned he has shown more evidence than any other president in u.s. history.
every piece has been denied by the birthers, but even if jesus christ himself authenticated everything, the birthers would say `obama got to him´.
@1776iscoming meaningless? it gives in plain language the precedent set under u.s. law for NBC fercrissakes!
right, lets try again as you seem to be struggling. the u.s. has 2 types of citizen. naturalised are foreigners who take on u.s. citzenship. someone born in the u.s. cannot be naturalised. this is beacuse the second category, NBC are people born on u.s. soil
regardless what you believe or think god wants, that´s the law.
Wrong again man, if you're truly interested in how the term is defined, research how it was defined during the 18th and 19th centuries, there is not one document to prove your revised definition. Hitler was democratically elected as well, guess what, I wouldn't have acknowledged him either, at least Hitler was qualified for the position he held. When I was in the Army, I would have accepted the consequences of not saluting him and there are alot of people like myself still in the..
(cont'd) military. Every single bit of documentation this guy has released has had problems with it, if you don't care, that's your problem, but it isn't going away. But as I said, I don't even care about that, don't care where he was born, he was ineligible the second he was birthed. His mother decided to sleep with a Kenyan, now her son is dealing with the consequences, just goes to show that choices our parents make can effect their children.
@1776iscoming you really have a hard job accepting the laws of the u.s. when they don´t say what you want.
naturalised - a foreign citizen taking on u.s. citizenship
natural born - a person born on u.s. soil and a citizen at birth.
there is no other category. BTW, i challenged you to quote where it says in any civics book, law or in the constitution where both parents have to be citizens for NBC status. so far you´re avoiding it. put up or admit you´re wrong.
@1776iscoming unfortunately the only revisionism going on is that which the birthers are engaged in. ark set the precedent in the SCOTUS in the 19th century. kinda messes up your arguement there.
also, check your european history a bit more. hitler was not elected to the post of chancellor.
@1776iscoming BTW, despite apuzzo and cº wanting otherwise, minor vs happersett did NOT define NBC status.
it was a case about voting rights, and as such NBC status didn´t enter into the precedent.
your president was not a foreigner and could therefore not be naturalised, which leaves NBC. there is no other category under u.s. law and the u.s. constitution.
@erizo1602 Then Explain why Obama is using a conn. Social Security number issued in 1977 to a person born in 1890, according to EXPERT CSI Witness just last THursday in Court. See: "williamJwagener, Obama DisQualification Trial, Atlanta, part 5"
@erizo1602: LOL and with that my friend you just lost this little debate and you know it. Barrys a fraud, the jigg is up..cats out of the bag..its being covered-up at the highest levels of govt & power. That judge has no doubt already been told that if he doesnt throw this case out of his court his family is going to be fish food so we'll see if he straps his balls on and mans-up and goes down in history as the judge that allowed the unveiling of the enigmatic deception known as "Barack Obama".
@erizo1602; thanks for telling me what i already know there skippy. My friend, our whole entire system from top to bottom has been corrupted to its fuckin stinkin rotten core, i have no faith whatsoever in the judge, as im certain the poor guy probably has already had his family threatened to be fed to the fish if he doesnt throw the case out. at this point if you still have faith in our system than youre either naive or just in denial. But as you said, we will see.
Unfortunately for you and candidate Obama, Art 2 specifies that the President must be a natural born citizen, nobody is arguing about whether he's a citizen. He could have been born in the Oval Office and he would still be ineligible, his mother should have thought about the consequences of sleeping with a Kenyan.
Amendments to Constitution are not just a "change" it is a fundamental alteration of WHAT IS Constitutional. The worse "change" which was done without sense, was locking down the number of House Reps at 435, the same year the NWO BAnkGangster brought us the Income TAX, and the IRS, and other bad things.
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Disclosure of Obama's original birth certificate will show that both of his birth parents were U.S. citizens. Obama the alien Luo tribesman adopted him.
The parties in the Georgia's Welden case, by putting the case to the court on false agreed facts, are asking for an advisory opinion on an academic question. They are not putting a case or controversy to the court. Query the court's jurisdiction. In any event it should subpoena Obama's vital records.
The question or the problem here and now is not McCain. And we are not in the position to verify if he is or is not an American. Let the Judges decide it. That's what they are payed for. Obama or his supporters don´t have to be affraid, just prove he is not an usurper.
May God be with you,Orly Taitz. My prayers are that you'll be able to finally prove Obama is squatting in the whitehouse illegally. You and Sheriff Joe are true Americans fighting for our country.
@ncgal1000 i literally got down on my knees today and prayed to god to let us have victory in court over this obama person so we may be rid of him once and for all.
@gothicprincess52 You're the one that was touting your "literal" Plea to the Almighty, not me. I couldn't care less what your superstitions may be.
You might like to brush up on your knowledge of the law. A 'victory" in a GA administrative court has about as much impact as a Twinkie on a tank. Look up "sovereign immunity" when you get some free time, and you'll see you scuffed up your knees for no reason at all.
@droopusmaximus you may want to brush up on your knowledge of what is going on in the world. you obviously have your head in the sand. and you are right, it does not matter if there is a victory in a georgia court or not, because obama the bullchit artist will not be re-elected anyway. please refrain from interacting with me and spewing you "intelligence" any further. i have already reported you for harassment. move along.
@gothicprincess52 "Harrassment?" I calmly responded to your post on someone else's video, merely providing legal information. I used neither profanity nor offensive language; you cannot say the same.
May I gently suggest you calm down, stop making empty threats, and learn to interact in a mature fashion? I have no argument with you.
@droopusmaximus you went on youtube and found someone who said they prayed to god that a lawyer would get a favorable outcome from a judge. the comment was actually in response to someone else who had said they had prayed about it also. big deal. we all encounter someone like you on youtube from time to time, someone who enjoys making remarks just to start something. so you just go on and on. hell, fill up the page. there is a big difference between being smart, and being a smart ass.
@borderraven There are only two types of citizenship. If you are born a citizen at birth, you are natural born. If you are born elsewhere and become a citizen later, you're naturalized. There is no third type of super citizen.
A birth certificate is not proof, especially when at the time of birth Hawaii allowed foreign born nationals to get certificates of birth, see Phil Bergs case about that fact in law. Treaties+ Kenyan Law which govern his father immigration status by law governed Obama status before u.s. laws could. He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, and arguably Indonesian citizen, by his mothers actions, any and of which would bar him from POTUS eligibility!
Citizenship of Obama's parents is relevant. It is germane to the argument. You and many others do not know history or Federal Case law. The words "Natural Born" as written in the Constitution has always been defined as one who's patients were citizens of the US at the time of their birth. Obama's father was never a US citizen. The congress for about 10 years has been attempting to change the meaning of "Natural Born" but failed. It is like they know that the Obama issue was on the way.
How is this a victory for Taitz? Obama's lawyers will just present the evidence--the Hawaiian birth certificate, which is valid proof in any US court of law. And the citizenship of Obama's parents is irrelevant to whether he is natural born. The birthers fail because they don't understand the law. The status of the parents has no bearing on the child. If the child is born on US soil, it's natural born. End of story.
@dudev So I guess you're smarter than AL, GA and NH lawmakers, lol. You better catch up on the latest news, many very smart people are taking action against what you claim, both parents must be American citizens for the offspring to be Natural Born.
Now, END OF STORY.
I'd strongly advise you to watch:
RAW VIDEO: NH House of Reps PRESS CONFERENCE on Obama eligibility & election fraud
Those states haven't thrown Obama off the ballot. But fine, take all the action you want, but if Hawaii says Obama is natural born, then that's the end of the story.
From a Congressional Report on Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.1401(a)), "..that a person who is born in the United States, subject to its jurisdiction, is a citizen of the United States regardless of the race, ethnicity, or alienage of the parents."
The state of Hawaii has already established his birth. So the burden of proof isn't on Obama or Hawaii. It's on you birthers to prove them wrong. And you haven't done so. His Hawaiian birth certificate serves as proof of his birth in any court of law. And any other Hawaiian citizen would only have to show the same to run for president. WHY should Obama have to show more?
@dudev That was a horrible photo shopped BC Obama gave out It was multi layered. The fonts didn't match on the document it self which tells me it was worked on by 2 people or more Jerome Corsi lays it all out Its really interesting to see the timing of his book release then Obama sends out the fake BC 3 days before his book release. Then to take the focus off the horrible fake document Osama gets killed. Doesnt seem like chance That the body of Osama was never shown?
You cannot determine the birth certificate to be a forgery/fake by looking at a digital image of it. The pdf is not a legal document. Only the actual certified paper document matters, which the State of Hawaii has already confirmed is authentic.
Corsi doesnt care about truth. All he cares about is his followers pressing the paypal button.
"That was a horrible photo shopped BC Obama gave out"
So you think the president, who has endless money and resources at his disposal, would put out a bad fake BC? Does that make sense? It's a BC, not the Mona Lisa or a $20 bill.
Osama's body wasn't sown because they didn't want to anger the Muslim community. Putting bodies up for display is also uncivilized. But would you have believed the photo to be real? You probably would have called it fake if they had released it.
@arrrogantlyignorant, There are two paths to US citizenship, in the 14th Amendment, naturalization and birth. The 14th did not amend Art2Sec1,Cl5. There are 4 sub-paths to US citizenship by birth. Those born in the US to US citizens are undoubtedly natural born citizens. There are doubts about the rest.
@dudev Laws says otherwise. A birth certificate is not proof, especially when at the time of birth Hawaii allowed foreign born nationals to get certificates of birth, see Phil Bergs case about that fact in law. Treaties+ Kenyan Law which govern his father immigration status by law governed Obama status before u.s. laws could. He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, and arguably Indonesian citizen, by his mothers actions, any and of which would bar him from POTUS eligibility!
The status of the parents is irrelevant. That's what you don't get. Natural born is a literal term, meaning born on US soil. That's all it means. A Hawaiian birth certificate stating Obama was born in Hawaii is all he needs to run for president. Any other candidate would only need that slip of paper and the verification of the state of Hawaii to run for president.
@dudev, A Hawaiian bc only proves he is a US citizen eligible to run for the US Senate, but his father's naturalization papers could prove him eligible to be a US President.
@arrrogantlyignorant Mc Cain was born on federal zone IE Mc Cain was a natural born federal US citizen. If Obama was born on a state Non Federal jurisdiction then he would have been an article 4 section 2 clause one Citizen of the state, One of the people. unlike the federal zone citizenship of US citizen which is a person
McCain was born on a military base in a foreign country, which was considered US soil. Realistically there's more of an issue with McCain's birth status than with Obama's. Birthers seemed to ignore that in the 2008 election. Born in Hawaii is natural born.
@borderraven James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)
“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection…
"He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, "
Please feel free to explain exactly how a person born on US soil to an American citizen mother is "by law first a Kenyan then British citizen subject".
I've seen plenty of government forms, but I've never seen any that use the word "native born." It's because you birthers have made it all up. Have you even heard of the term "anchor baby", which republicans have been using to describe the natural-born children of illegal immigrants? Any child born in the US is natural-born, regardless of the status of the parents. The UK had the same law up until about 20 years. ago.
@dudev Are you familiar with the 1802 naturalization Act? do you know taking an Oath expatriates you from your natural citizenship? under USC title 8 section 1481Did you know all Americans born out side DC and the 5 territorial zones are state citizens which is a natural citizenship under article 4 section 2 clause 1? That the 14th amendment was for all Federal zone and territorial zones born as well as anyone who took an oath to serve in government? 14th amendment didnt change it added to.
You're really digging your hole deep, aren't you? You can whip out all the misinterpreted sections and clauses you want, but the law makes Obama a natural-born citizen, not the opinion of the masses. Hawaii verifies his status and that's all that matters. Courts are just humoring Orly Taitz and the birthers, just to be fair. But no judge is going to contradict Hawaii without some mighty big evidence. And the birthers don't have it. The burden of proof is NOT on Obama.
@dudev Point is, HIS father was NOT a citizen but a British subject from a colony of Great Britain, and the definition of "Natural Born" at the time the Founders wrote the Constitution was "Both parents" must be US Citizens.
The law's interpreted by the supreme court, not the dead founders. And the court ruled in the late 1800's --the parents' status doesn't matter. No where on any of my documents does it mention where my non-citizen parents were born. I was born in the US, and I'm natural born. There's no form that makes a distinction between native born and natural born. You birthers keep changing arguments. First you say he was born in Kenya and now you try to redefine what natural born means.
@dudev "You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed',Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father. it also seems your values in-judges are as corrupt as TJ label of Judges as they are mere men.
Sounds like you need a lesson in the Constitution. Legislators can change laws, but the the courts interpret them. How else would it work? If legislators both wrote and interpreted the laws then we wouldn't have a separation of powers. And I'm sure the founding fathers would have found that to be worse. Quote mining Jefferson is just feeble.
@dudev So, what about the legislator that WROTE the law, that the courts are trying to interpret? If there is some text in a bill that you aren't sure of, would you rather have the definition from the guy who wrote the law himself or would you rather have a judge interpret what the legislator MEANT? I would stick with the guy who wrote the law, to tell us what he meant, over a judge trying to interpret!
"I would stick with the guy who wrote the law, to tell us what he meant, over a judge..."
Yeah, it's called a dictatorship. The founders were smart enough to write a Constitution and spell out that there should be a separation of powers. Legislators can abuse power and without checks and balances there's nothing to stop them. So they shouldn't be the ones to interpret what is Constitutional and what isn't.
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Agreed. But those that wrote the law and Constitution are long dead. so here comes Mr. Titus, and lets see what he says, as an expert.
@dudev #1NOT THE CONSTITUTION. #2 NOT INCORRECTLY. #3 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION. #4NEVER SUGGESTED THE TWAIN SHOULD. #5 FORGETTING WHO IS BOSS AND WHERE OUR LIBERTY WAS DERIVED IS TREASONOUS, STUPID, AND UNAMERICAN. AND YOU ARE SUGGESTING I STAND ON WHAT THEN, MY FAULTY SELFISH HUMANISM ? POUND SAND.
We don't live in a lawless society in which the public can do anything it wants. It's not a free-for-all. If you don't trust the Republican governor, the republican head of the Hawaiian Health Dept., the federal elections commission, who have all declared Obama a natural born citizen, then that's your problem, not theirs. You must think everybody is part of the conspiracy or that they're all stupid. You have no legal authority to demand Obama do MORE than is legally required.
The constitution and the rule of law are boss. Going around demanding that Obama bend over backwards to prove his citizenship --holding him to a higher standard than any other candidate, a higher standard than the law requires--is not legal. This is why the courts are laughing at the birthers and only humoring them to be fair. If Hawaii says Obama's natural born, then that's the end of it. Unless you have proof otherwise. And the burden of proof is on the birthers, not Obama.
@dudev your coming around but not quite, The Constitution is a contract with Government, who are those who swear an Oath, that an individuals rights are to be protected, and not infringed upon. The rule of law must be in support and subjection to the Public's unalienable rights for which the Constitution was forged and signed. all other laws which are repugnant to the constitution are void MARBURY v.MADISON.
And the supreme court, empowered by the constitution to interpret the law, has determined that natural-born citizenship has nothing to do with the status of the parents. Also, under our laws, citizens are not authorized to go around demanding to see people's ID. When the birthers question Obama's BC, they're also questioning Hawaii's legitimacy, and the incompetency of all those who are elected or appointed to office. They think it's one giant conspiracy theory.
@dudev Excuse me, but the same Supreme Court has ruled that Public Officials who are elected and even appointed lose most of their Right to Privacy, and most Presidential appointees have been subjected to severe interagation about their past education, statements and even social clubs they belonged to. Obama MUST either prove it or, admit, he is a fake President. Any other path would be to say "some" elected officials are ABOVE the law. if true, we = dictatorship, Long Live the Republic !
@williamjwagener well excuse e if those who are elected lose most of their rights how coe we have never seen the past presidents birth certificates how about the members of congress and the senate or the state govenors or elected officials where are there birth certificates Obama is the only one who's shown his information to the public. Whose been subjected to severe interagation.
As far as the law goes, Obama has already proven his natural-born citizenship. The burden of proof is no longer on him, it's on the birthers to prove him wrong. Obama's met the qualifications; he doesn't have to bend over backwards beyond what the law requires. That's why we have laws with limitations. If you have reliable evidence that he's lying, then present it to a court. But don't be surprised when it ends up going nowhere.
@dudev Well G.W.BUSH lied about WMD, and massacred many innocent people, and got away with it, just because Obama got away with lying does not mean the LAW is being observed. Good People lose in court every day. Corruption is rapant on all levels.
"just because Obama got away with lying does not mean the LAW is being observed."
That's a preconceived conclusion on your part. You think he lied. But you have no reliable evidence. So you don't actually know. You think you know. And you're 'searching for information' that will 'confirm' your conclusion. And by calling everyone who disagrees with you "corrupt", you're feeding a conspiracy theory, not a search for truth. It's your logic that's corrupt.
@dudev: once gain.. did you bother to watch all 6 parts to the video of the court proceedings?? You just sound like a jackass now.. youre not making any sense.
It's irrelevant. No court is going to contradict a US state's verification of a birth certificate, unless it has some mighty strong evidence. If the birthers had strong evidence, they wouldn't still be at this after 4 years.
I love that she's an immigrant who can barely speak English but she's the first on the hunt because she thinks Obama is a Muslim nigger. (and so do you if you agree with her you racist cunts)
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She's NOT the first dumb ass. OH sorry NIGGER.
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deadadelta 3 weeks ago
07:32 Judge Malihi has NOT "ruled that Obama must show he is eligible to be President for 2012 Georgia ballot." I deeply wish this were true. Sadly, Malihi made a bizarre ruling in favor of the absent respondent. But spreading false information does not help our cause.
TruthMakesPeace 3 weeks ago
@TruthMakesPeace at the time this video was made, HE HAD NOT done anything but grant subpoena to come with atty. and show the original paper.
williamjwagener 3 weeks ago
@bulrydrdan ha you drive the same truck I do jack ass and so what if I misspelled something git over yourself dude
scaryterry24 3 weeks ago
@scaryterry24 What? It wasn’t about misspelling dumb ass and you will get over it. What I’m posting is that you telling me that I cannot interpret the US Constitution but a Judge agrees with that way I do than you do. That is it, then the FORD RULES was the last thing. Get over it, we don’t agree on how to read the Constitution but I bet we agree on other things right.
bulrydrdan 3 weeks ago
@bulrydrdan ovousley you don't understand how the constitution is suppose to be interpreted. In the constitution the are many references to a verry well known book of the era that it was written called the Law of Nations and it states in that book that a natural born citizen is a person of which both parents are citizen of that nation. so go ahead and state untrue facts again
scaryterry24 3 weeks ago
@scaryterry24 Anyone who starts a post with, "obviously you don't understand how the constitution is suppose to be interpreted." is really stating, "obviously you and Judge Mahili don't agree with me, but I know more than a judge does." because you’re a law professor, right. But I do agree in your choose of trucks.
bulrydrdan 3 weeks ago
@scaryterry24 if you happen to be swiss. de vattel was writing on the citizenship laws of his native switzerland. he also did not use the words `natural born citizen´as they do not appear in his native tongue in which the book was written
but if you feel swiss law should take precedence over u.s. law, take it to court. you´ll fail the same as all the other cases have
erizo1602 3 weeks ago
@erizo1602 Terry I read the English translation of Vattel writing, and he was clearly
writing with intent to ANY nation's citizen ship, although Switzerland had Italian, German, and French Cantons, and the divided loyalty issue was clearly a concern at the time of his writing, he did NOT mean it to apply only to Switzerland. Thanks for a thoughtful comment.
williamjwagener 3 weeks ago
@williamjwagener You missed the point that erizo raised by a country mile; He was pointing out that the US is not subject to Swiss laws.
gaddez 3 weeks ago
@williamjwagener the point you seem to misunderstand is that the law of nations was a book about the law in the time it was written. it was not a book OF law applicable to all countries then and now. de vattel is irrelevent to presidential eligability. there is nowhere in any civics book, u.s. law or the constitution that says that for nbc status you must have 2 citizen parents.
if there is, show us, because the law disagrees with you as every case has shown
erizo1602 3 weeks ago
These nutcase Birfers suffer from Obsessive Obama Disorder. Imagine spending your entire life obsessing over the President of the United States of America!!! Takes obsession to a whole new level. LOL! No Hollywood star has had so many obsessive followers!
The President is eligible, you nutters! Barack Hussein Obama will still be your President from 2012 until 2016, so you sad psychos have a choice: to either deal with it maturely like grownups, or end up in a high security mental institution!
witchwild 4 weeks ago 2
@witchwild You are BLIND.
ANYONE who believes obama is anything other than a FRAUD is MeNtAL.
neonightkiller 2 weeks ago
@neonightkiller I've said it before and I'll say it again: I have yet to see any evidence to support the hypothesis that obama is anything but what he says he is, or a proper explanation for what all the necessary actors in the birther conspiracy hoped to achieve.
gaddez 2 weeks ago
According to this video's title, " Orly TAITZ - Wins Judgement in Georgia court of Judge Mahili " but according to the FACTS & Docket Number: OSAH-SECSTATE-CE- • 1215136-60-MALIHI Mr Obama under Georgia Code Section 21-2-5, meet the constitutional and statutory qualifications for holding the Office of the President of the United States. Decision is entirely based on the law, as well as the evidence and legal arguments presented at the hearing.
bulrydrdan 4 weeks ago
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Feb 3, 2012:
MALIHI DETERMINES THAT OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!!
"Therefore, as discussed in Ankeny, he became a citizen at birth and is a natural born citizen. Accordingly,
Conclusion:
President Barack Obama is eligible as a candidate for the Presidential primary election under code O.C.G. A. 21-2-5(b).
SO ORDERED, February 3rd, 2012."
obamareleaseyourrecords (DOT) blogspot (DOT) com/2012/02/judge-malihi-rules-against-plaintiffs (DOT) html
funnyhaha71 4 weeks ago
...and it´s all over.
taitz had won the distinction of being able to lose even when the defendant and his lawyer didn´t even turn up.
that takes incompetence to a whole new level
erizo1602 4 weeks ago
@erizo1602 Oh you think this is over? That’s like saying that racism is over when the Equal Rights movement WON. Or ignorance is eliminated when public schools were created. Some people will never accept Obama as the POTUS because he is black period they continue to lose and if they even get a hearing it is considered a victory but if they lose the judgment that it must be more corruptions. They will never accept the simple truth but hell the world needs its ditch diggers.
bulrydrdan 4 weeks ago
@bulrydrdan To be fair, it's not just racism that drives birthers. Theres also the fact that he's a democrat and that he isn't hillary.
It's like a frikkin ark for all the people bitter about the 2008 elections.
gaddez 3 weeks ago
@gaddez I always wondered why these nut jobs trying so hard to undermine a Democrat President?
TheGeminiStudios 3 weeks ago
@TheGeminiStudios Because the united states has been conditioned to fear leftward thinking. Socialism is considered a dirty word akin to "dictator" or "fascist".
gaddez 3 weeks ago
@gaddez Actually, that is FUNNY. Social Security is socialism. But it was ripped off and Borrowed against by every Congress since Eisenhower left office in 1959-1960. Health care by State, SSI, that is all Socialism... it just is gradual and not brutal, with some safe guards, and Americans are addicted to it, not "Fearful". And it too is failing, but slower than the more radical Communist-socialist states. Thanks for your thoughts.
williamjwagener 3 weeks ago
@gaddez Ok, that is fair...LOL but I'm one of them people (well not the crazy Birthers ones) you don't see me posting lies or false information or even miss reading the Constitution. I'm a Republican and I don't agree with Obama's politics. But I'm not going to lie about my US Constitution because of it, I'm going to try to vote my candidate in according to the law
bulrydrdan 3 weeks ago
@bulrydrdan if Republicans had not had a coronation of McCain, in St Paul in 08 [ I was up there] but chosen Ron PAUL, we would NOT be putting up with BUSH-OBAMA continued bail outs in SECRET for the BAnkGangsters... Ron Paul would have demanded FULL DISCLOSURE of Fed. Res. Bank, of NYC and probably criminal charges after that, and thousands of G.I.s would be home instead of buried and dead.
Haven't you notice that RP has tremendous following, and yet the Big MEDIA continually insult him.
williamjwagener 3 weeks ago
@williamjwagener The only reason people are afraid of Ron Paul, is they feel he is too much of a Constitution follower. And because of that will not work well with the Democrats to get anything done. So people are afraid of 4 years of arguing about what Constitutional & what’s not, instead of getting things done. People do seem to forget that there are 3 checks & balances (Pres, Congress & the Senate) I feel Ron can get the job done.
bulrydrdan 3 weeks ago
@bulrydrdan I like you sir. You appear to have chosen to vote for the republicans but are doing so for a *real* reason; I'm guessing because you disagree with his economic policy?
It's rare that I come across republicans on youtube comments who aren't hyper partisan (or inane ron paul fans).
gaddez 3 weeks ago
@gaddez Thanks, and yes economics is one and there some of foreign policies as well. I believe Ron Paul has some great ideas, and do think the others are just in it to be President. I just see how the Democrats here in CA are, and they are horrible, they believe in take more of our right away and giving more to illegal’s. But hell no matter who the Pres is the US will still move on. Nice talking with you.
bulrydrdan 3 weeks ago
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He is not my president & I will never serve the US Army while he is in the white corrupt house. He is a traitor for signing the NDDA bill to detain American Citizens indefinite with no right to trial or a lawyer. If I had the power I would of mailed him back to Kenya in a wooden box; labeled as hazardous waste.
ICproductions2020 1 month ago 2
they way you know that donald trump was a faker when it comes to "birther" issue, is that on any of his twitter accounts etc doesnt say a word about this trial.
they just controlled the issue away with his fake-ass hair and fish-mouth.
as someone who just recently decided to look into this for myself, this is very interesting.
I assume they needed someone from the outside of the country, not bound by the laws, to destroy the constitution.
mass murderer obama and crew.
br0dskalk 1 month ago
So does this mean anything of consequence? No offense meant but he's just off the ballot in one state? Will this have any impact?
MJLOVE4everKOP 1 month ago
@MJLOVE4everKOP he´s not off the ballot.
this was an administrative hearing, not a trial (that can only make a recommendation, and no judgement), and on the 5th the reccomendation will be sent to the SoS.
the SoS will look at the certified copy of the LFBC, see he´s ovr 35, and resident for the years needed, and will say `o.k.´, and he´ll be on the ballot.
end of story
erizo1602 1 month ago
And Pelosi Ilegally and Unconstitutionally "CERTIFIED" B. Obama!
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deadadelta 1 month ago
Orly is a here. She's NOT like those TV Super Hero who steps out of phone booths with a cape and mask getup. She is a Real Life Super Hero.. She is our hero
EddieAchtem 1 month ago 2
To be President of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USA and it requires 2 conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
Obama's father was NEVER an American citizen!
Therefore OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!
Check "The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at puzo1.blogspot.com
michaelhtvr 1 month ago
@michaelhtvr if you´re relying on mario apuzzo for constitutional advice, you´re a lost cause.
nowhere in the constitution does it say that both parents must be american citizens.
prove me wrong - this is a direct challenge - show me where it says exactly that in the u.s. constitution.
there are 2 categories of citizen - natural born and naturalised - your president was never naturalised as he was not a foreigner, so that leaves what? there is no other category.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602 EXCUSE ME. Erizo, but your WRONG. What part of WRONG don't you get. There are Three types of citizens when looking at elected positions that could lead to the Presidency. The EXPERTs were heard in court just days ago, Here it is on YOU TUBE.
Part 1
.com/watch?v=EOcpn-E_JAY
part 4
com/watch?v=EOcpn-E_JAY&feature=watch_response Obama has NO defense to his Fraud,apparently, that is why his attorney Jablonski did not show up as ORDERED by the Court. Is Obama above LAW.?
williamjwagener 1 month ago
oh dear, another `OMG, any day now´ moment.
slight problem here.
this was an administrative hearing that can only result in a reccomendation. as such there cannot be a judgement as it it was not a trial.
let´s see on the 5th (the date when the descision will be made public) rather than counting chickens now.
just don´t get too bent out of shape when your president appears on the georgia ballot.
and remember, we told you so
erizo1602 1 month ago
nice lady! a true patriot! thank her for me and my family!
BeantownJim 1 month ago
WAIT A MINUTE MISS CLAUDEEN- There is more to this sick story. The Barry Obama Presidency is part of an agenda by the ruling oligarchy to discredit the US Goverrnment, the office of the president and the US Consitution .. This is why they installed an illegitimate president. To make America look ridiculous.
Obamas bailed out bossses want World Governance. The integrity of the Consitutional Republic must be destroyed first.... and they need more trillion
dollar bail outs.
Tealy855 1 month ago
Judge decided to hear the case to put an end to the moronic law suits . No one has been Vindicated. If he rules against you. It will make harder to have another suit.
hellboundmatt 1 month ago
I'm glad I'm old and retired, but it's the younger generations who fell for Obama's charades and voted him into office I sympathize with. If Obama gets reelected then the under 50 year olds will slowly see the nation slip into Hell, where the Declaration of Independence, constitution and Bill of Rights are toilet paper. They will die trying to regain the Republic. LOL Obots get ready to get screwed, but remember I tried to warn you. A sad day for America.
borderraven 1 month ago 2
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@borderraven His father could be Bobo the Clown from Mars, and he could have been born in a Yurt in Nepal: he is a US citizen at birth, according to Title 8 SS 1401 of US Code.
There is no Congressional or Constitutional definition recognized as law that defines "natural born." Congress passed SR 511 stating McCain is a natural born citizen, because he was not born in the US, but a Panamanian hospital. Know who sponsored the bill? Clinton and Obama.
This issue is long dead.
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TheWhiteEuropeans 1 month ago
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To be President of the USA, Obama must be a "natural born citizen" according to the Constitution of the USAand it requires two conditions:
1) Obama must be born in the USA.
2) Obama's parents MUST BOTH be American citizens.
Obama's father was NEVER an American citizen!!!!!
Therefore, OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!
"The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth" at puzo1.blogspot.com
michaelhtvr 1 month ago
citizen
krew666666 1 month ago
so many stupid fuckin people,they dont even know the diff between a citen,natural born, vs naturalized,besides he is using a #ss from Conn...how stupid do have to be to not understand how blatantly obvious this is....
krew666666 1 month ago 2
@krew666666
They know the difference, they just don't care. The definition of NBC was never disputed until recently, I learned what an NBC was in the mid 90's while in high school. It's very shameful and scary that there are people who continue to support this guys despite the fact that he is ineligible and intentionally bringing us to our knees.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming care to tell us what civics book, law, staute, or part of the u.s. constitution disqualifies your president from his post?
because to date the only people clinging onto the birther theories are a few second rate lawyers and RWNJ websites.
no constitutional expert has come forward to support birther theories, quite the contrary, all without exception have shot them down in flames
you should have paid more attention in high school
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602
Luckily the founding fathers made the Const easy enough for all of us to understand. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are 2 citizenship statuses in Art II. Combine that with how the term was defined all the way up until the last 3 years(apparently) and you'll get your answer. You understand? I realize you don't think it's fair, doesn't negate it, sorry.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
And guess what, that goes for Marco Rubio, Jindal or anybody else in either party that is not an NBC.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
Now I know why your boy Obama/Soetoro's "State of the Union" address was written at an 8th grade level, so people like erizo1602 can comprehend.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming now you´ve blown it.
i did not vote for, nor believe that president obama is a particually good president. he is not `my boy´.
i do however believe in the democratic system and the constitution, and it pisses me off when birfoons try to re-write the constitution for their own ends because they´re upset that a scary guy with a weird name is in the white house. he is your president until at least the election. stop being anti-american and respect your constitution
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602
Well, if you don't support him I apologize. But, you really need to study early American history, natural law, and how the term natural born citizen has been defined until apparently 3 years ago. I never cared where the man was born, my issue was that he wasn't eligible by virtue of his father, in fact nearly 90% of the lawsuits regarding his ineligible have been about his non-NBC status. Orly is about the only one that has pursued his birth certificate.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming wrote - Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are 2 citizenship statuses in Art II.
......
find a constitutional expert who agrees with you, or a direct quote from article II supporting your arguement, and i might take you seriously.
although that in itself is hard to do, considering you are regurgitating rubbish that was thoroghly debunked 3 years ago. article II didn´t change in substance or interpretation, the birfoons wanted it to change when obama was elected
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602 Dude, look at the 2 biggest cases that have defined natural born citizen, Wong v Ark and Minor v Happerstett. The term did not need to be defined in the Constitution because everybody knew what it meant, just like they knew what "age of thirty five years" meant. There are a bunch of 19th century documents online that define the term, I'm not sure why it's a big mystery other than people are trying to re-define terms to keep this guy in office.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
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williamjwagener 1 month ago
@1776iscoming simple question - why do you think the birthers never appealed the arkeny decision?
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602 I don't know, nor do I care, it's meaningless and doesn't overrule USSC precedent. My guess is that they were in over their heads, should have hired a lawyer. Regarding my last post, I should have worded it that the 2 cases reiterated the definition. By the way, he is not my "President", I have yet to address him as such and will not. We don't even know if and when his name was changed from Soetoro to Obama, so I wouldn't even know how to address him even if he was legitimately..
1776iscoming 1 month ago
(cont'd) holding the office. There is a reason John Jay inserted the NBC clause into Article 2, so that we wouldn't have a CIC with foreign allegiances. We are seeing the fruits of not heeding their wisdom before our very eyes. If this guy is allowed on the ballot again, our Constitution is pretty much meaningless. Art 2 was just about the last part of the document that had not been circumvented until 2008. Our Republic is within months of being completely destroyed.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming you should care. it illustrated (read the arkeny case if you haven´t before) as it illustrates quite simply the reasoning and precedent to NBC status.
likewise, you should know the difference between the 2 categories that exist for citizenship. there are no more than 2 naturalised for foreigners and NBC for the rest - end of story.
like it or not, he IS your democratically elected president. saying otherwise is denying the u.s democratic system and is anti-american.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602 I have read it and like I said it is absolutely meaningless. Natural law is something that today's society can't comprehend because they think the government gives our rights and not God. It's really quite simple and there is absolutely no doubt about the citizenship of a Natural Born Citizen precisely because a Natural Born Citizen is the kind of citizen that cannot be any other kind, naturally. NBC has always been defined as born on US soil to US citizen parents. By the way, we..
1776iscoming 1 month ago
(cont'd) live in a Republic not a democracy. And I've lost 2 many friends supporting and defending the U.S. Constitution to not care that we have a man that is spitting upon that document and their graves ever single day that he is allowed to remain in office. He is not my President until he proves otherwise and I(and every other person who has served) have done more in support of the Constitution over the past decade than 98% of the US population will do in their lives.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming i never said the u.s. was a democracy, i was talking about the democratic system. read more carefully next time.
regardless of your point of view, he is your democratically elected president and commander in chief, and as far as proof is concerned he has shown more evidence than any other president in u.s. history.
every piece has been denied by the birthers, but even if jesus christ himself authenticated everything, the birthers would say `obama got to him´.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@1776iscoming meaningless? it gives in plain language the precedent set under u.s. law for NBC fercrissakes!
right, lets try again as you seem to be struggling. the u.s. has 2 types of citizen. naturalised are foreigners who take on u.s. citzenship. someone born in the u.s. cannot be naturalised. this is beacuse the second category, NBC are people born on u.s. soil
regardless what you believe or think god wants, that´s the law.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602
Wrong again man, if you're truly interested in how the term is defined, research how it was defined during the 18th and 19th centuries, there is not one document to prove your revised definition. Hitler was democratically elected as well, guess what, I wouldn't have acknowledged him either, at least Hitler was qualified for the position he held. When I was in the Army, I would have accepted the consequences of not saluting him and there are alot of people like myself still in the..
1776iscoming 1 month ago
(cont'd) military. Every single bit of documentation this guy has released has had problems with it, if you don't care, that's your problem, but it isn't going away. But as I said, I don't even care about that, don't care where he was born, he was ineligible the second he was birthed. His mother decided to sleep with a Kenyan, now her son is dealing with the consequences, just goes to show that choices our parents make can effect their children.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
@1776iscoming you really have a hard job accepting the laws of the u.s. when they don´t say what you want.
naturalised - a foreign citizen taking on u.s. citizenship
natural born - a person born on u.s. soil and a citizen at birth.
there is no other category. BTW, i challenged you to quote where it says in any civics book, law or in the constitution where both parents have to be citizens for NBC status. so far you´re avoiding it. put up or admit you´re wrong.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@1776iscoming unfortunately the only revisionism going on is that which the birthers are engaged in. ark set the precedent in the SCOTUS in the 19th century. kinda messes up your arguement there.
also, check your european history a bit more. hitler was not elected to the post of chancellor.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@1776iscoming BTW, despite apuzzo and cº wanting otherwise, minor vs happersett did NOT define NBC status.
it was a case about voting rights, and as such NBC status didn´t enter into the precedent.
your president was not a foreigner and could therefore not be naturalised, which leaves NBC. there is no other category under u.s. law and the u.s. constitution.
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602 Then Explain why Obama is using a conn. Social Security number issued in 1977 to a person born in 1890, according to EXPERT CSI Witness just last THursday in Court. See: "williamJwagener, Obama DisQualification Trial, Atlanta, part 5"
williamjwagener 1 month ago
@williamjwagener the SS nº is irrelevent to eligability.
besides, how do you think he´s been paying his taxes for all these years?
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602: LOL and with that my friend you just lost this little debate and you know it. Barrys a fraud, the jigg is up..cats out of the bag..its being covered-up at the highest levels of govt & power. That judge has no doubt already been told that if he doesnt throw this case out of his court his family is going to be fish food so we'll see if he straps his balls on and mans-up and goes down in history as the judge that allowed the unveiling of the enigmatic deception known as "Barack Obama".
JG1635 1 month ago
@JG1635 yeah, any day now, just like we´ve been hearing since 2008.
obviously you are another one who in has no idea of the proceedures of your own country.
this was an administrative hearing, not a court case
it was not held in a court room (thought the birthervision cameras would have given you a clue there)
in an administrative hearing a recommendation is made to the SoS, there is no verdict.
wait until the 5th, and we´ll see what reccomendation is made
erizo1602 1 month ago
@erizo1602; thanks for telling me what i already know there skippy. My friend, our whole entire system from top to bottom has been corrupted to its fuckin stinkin rotten core, i have no faith whatsoever in the judge, as im certain the poor guy probably has already had his family threatened to be fed to the fish if he doesnt throw the case out. at this point if you still have faith in our system than youre either naive or just in denial. But as you said, we will see.
JG1635 1 month ago
@williamjwagener as i said to the other guy, this was an administrative hearing, NOT a trial.
there is a difference,and you really should learn it
erizo1602 1 month ago
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clarity023 1 month ago
@clarity023, wow such total ignorance, you deserve less of my time.
You lose, accept it.
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borderraven 1 month ago
@clarity023
Unfortunately for you and candidate Obama, Art 2 specifies that the President must be a natural born citizen, nobody is arguing about whether he's a citizen. He could have been born in the Oval Office and he would still be ineligible, his mother should have thought about the consequences of sleeping with a Kenyan.
1776iscoming 1 month ago
Let's hope that the judge doesn't get spooked.
ImDavidGurney 1 month ago
Amendments to Constitution are not just a "change" it is a fundamental alteration of WHAT IS Constitutional. The worse "change" which was done without sense, was locking down the number of House Reps at 435, the same year the NWO BAnkGangster brought us the Income TAX, and the IRS, and other bad things.
williamjwagener 1 month ago
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FrancineStar 1 month ago
Notice how very much Ron Paul had to say, and they let him talk! It was wonderful. Good common sense, sound financial practice. The others looked as though they might be LEARNING something!
mlovesTx 1 month ago
Ron Paul, the voice of common sense and good judgement. He is the ONLY candidate that wholeheartedly supports the U.S. Constitution. He has remained CONSISTENT throughout the years. Ron Paul in 2012 !!
mlovesTx 1 month ago
@mlovesTx
He'd have to be the only candidate in order to win.
dudev 1 month ago
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Disclosure of Obama's original birth certificate will show that both of his birth parents were U.S. citizens. Obama the alien Luo tribesman adopted him.
The parties in the Georgia's Welden case, by putting the case to the court on false agreed facts, are asking for an advisory opinion on an academic question. They are not putting a case or controversy to the court. Query the court's jurisdiction. In any event it should subpoena Obama's vital records.
eingriff1 1 month ago
the iowa vote has not been certified
optionsupdate 1 month ago
The question or the problem here and now is not McCain. And we are not in the position to verify if he is or is not an American. Let the Judges decide it. That's what they are payed for. Obama or his supporters don´t have to be affraid, just prove he is not an usurper.
wallyjcg 1 month ago
@wallyjcg Amen. Even Judge David Carter promised a Federal Jury would decide
back in Sept. 2009... then changed his mind by October 2009
williamjwagener 1 month ago
May God be with you,Orly Taitz. My prayers are that you'll be able to finally prove Obama is squatting in the whitehouse illegally. You and Sheriff Joe are true Americans fighting for our country.
ncgal1000 1 month ago
@ncgal1000
Are looking for the truth, or are you just looking to confirm what you already believe?
dudev 1 month ago
@ncgal1000 i literally got down on my knees today and prayed to god to let us have victory in court over this obama person so we may be rid of him once and for all.
gothicprincess52 1 month ago
@gothicprincess52 ROFL, this is a civil case in an administrative court. No one is removing anyone over this frivolous case.
Shame on you for bothering God with frivolity.
droopusmaximus 1 month ago
@droopusmaximus my relationship with god is actually none of your business......so how about a big fat FUCK YOU for being such an arrogant asshole?
gothicprincess52 1 month ago
@gothicprincess52 You're the one that was touting your "literal" Plea to the Almighty, not me. I couldn't care less what your superstitions may be.
You might like to brush up on your knowledge of the law. A 'victory" in a GA administrative court has about as much impact as a Twinkie on a tank. Look up "sovereign immunity" when you get some free time, and you'll see you scuffed up your knees for no reason at all.
But have a nice weekend. B)
droopusmaximus 1 month ago
@droopusmaximus you may want to brush up on your knowledge of what is going on in the world. you obviously have your head in the sand. and you are right, it does not matter if there is a victory in a georgia court or not, because obama the bullchit artist will not be re-elected anyway. please refrain from interacting with me and spewing you "intelligence" any further. i have already reported you for harassment. move along.
gothicprincess52 1 month ago
@gothicprincess52 "Harrassment?" I calmly responded to your post on someone else's video, merely providing legal information. I used neither profanity nor offensive language; you cannot say the same.
May I gently suggest you calm down, stop making empty threats, and learn to interact in a mature fashion? I have no argument with you.
droopusmaximus 1 month ago
@droopusmaximus you can re-read your comments. they were condescending. you know it and i know it. now you want to backpaddle. wuss.
gothicprincess52 1 month ago
@gothicprincess52 There is a big difference between condescension and harassment.
And the word you are looking for is "backpedal."
droopusmaximus 1 month ago
@droopusmaximus you went on youtube and found someone who said they prayed to god that a lawyer would get a favorable outcome from a judge. the comment was actually in response to someone else who had said they had prayed about it also. big deal. we all encounter someone like you on youtube from time to time, someone who enjoys making remarks just to start something. so you just go on and on. hell, fill up the page. there is a big difference between being smart, and being a smart ass.
gothicprincess52 1 month ago
@borderraven There are only two types of citizenship. If you are born a citizen at birth, you are natural born. If you are born elsewhere and become a citizen later, you're naturalized. There is no third type of super citizen.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
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A birth certificate is not proof, especially when at the time of birth Hawaii allowed foreign born nationals to get certificates of birth, see Phil Bergs case about that fact in law. Treaties+ Kenyan Law which govern his father immigration status by law governed Obama status before u.s. laws could. He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, and arguably Indonesian citizen, by his mothers actions, any and of which would bar him from POTUS eligibility!
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Citizenship of Obama's parents is relevant. It is germane to the argument. You and many others do not know history or Federal Case law. The words "Natural Born" as written in the Constitution has always been defined as one who's patients were citizens of the US at the time of their birth. Obama's father was never a US citizen. The congress for about 10 years has been attempting to change the meaning of "Natural Born" but failed. It is like they know that the Obama issue was on the way.
vpertoso 1 month ago
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vpertoso 1 month ago
How is this a victory for Taitz? Obama's lawyers will just present the evidence--the Hawaiian birth certificate, which is valid proof in any US court of law. And the citizenship of Obama's parents is irrelevant to whether he is natural born. The birthers fail because they don't understand the law. The status of the parents has no bearing on the child. If the child is born on US soil, it's natural born. End of story.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev So I guess you're smarter than AL, GA and NH lawmakers, lol. You better catch up on the latest news, many very smart people are taking action against what you claim, both parents must be American citizens for the offspring to be Natural Born.
Now, END OF STORY.
I'd strongly advise you to watch:
RAW VIDEO: NH House of Reps PRESS CONFERENCE on Obama eligibility & election fraud
mikestheman3 1 month ago
@mikestheman3
Those states haven't thrown Obama off the ballot. But fine, take all the action you want, but if Hawaii says Obama is natural born, then that's the end of the story.
From a Congressional Report on Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C.1401(a)), "..that a person who is born in the United States, subject to its jurisdiction, is a citizen of the United States regardless of the race, ethnicity, or alienage of the parents."
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev,
Was Obama born under US jurisdiction?
Was he born under jurisdiction of the US Constitution?
What valid evidence does he have?
borderraven 1 month ago
@borderraven
The state of Hawaii has already established his birth. So the burden of proof isn't on Obama or Hawaii. It's on you birthers to prove them wrong. And you haven't done so. His Hawaiian birth certificate serves as proof of his birth in any court of law. And any other Hawaiian citizen would only have to show the same to run for president. WHY should Obama have to show more?
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev That was a horrible photo shopped BC Obama gave out It was multi layered. The fonts didn't match on the document it self which tells me it was worked on by 2 people or more Jerome Corsi lays it all out Its really interesting to see the timing of his book release then Obama sends out the fake BC 3 days before his book release. Then to take the focus off the horrible fake document Osama gets killed. Doesnt seem like chance That the body of Osama was never shown?
deathmarch5 1 month ago
@deathmarch5
You cannot determine the birth certificate to be a forgery/fake by looking at a digital image of it. The pdf is not a legal document. Only the actual certified paper document matters, which the State of Hawaii has already confirmed is authentic.
Corsi doesnt care about truth. All he cares about is his followers pressing the paypal button.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
@deathmarch5
"That was a horrible photo shopped BC Obama gave out"
So you think the president, who has endless money and resources at his disposal, would put out a bad fake BC? Does that make sense? It's a BC, not the Mona Lisa or a $20 bill.
Osama's body wasn't sown because they didn't want to anger the Muslim community. Putting bodies up for display is also uncivilized. But would you have believed the photo to be real? You probably would have called it fake if they had released it.
dudev 1 month ago
@mikestheman3
"both parents must be American citizens for the offspring to be Natural Born."
Please feel free to cite an actual law that specifies both parents need to be citizens in order for the kid to be natural born.
There are only TWO types of citizenship.
1. Natural born.
2. Naturalized.
Since Obama is clearly not a naturalized citizen, he is the other type -- natural born.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
@arrrogantlyignorant, There are two paths to US citizenship, in the 14th Amendment, naturalization and birth. The 14th did not amend Art2Sec1,Cl5. There are 4 sub-paths to US citizenship by birth. Those born in the US to US citizens are undoubtedly natural born citizens. There are doubts about the rest.
borderraven 1 month ago
@borderraven
The parents don't matter under US law. You keep repeating the same lie. And no matter how many times you repeat it's not going to change reality.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev Laws says otherwise. A birth certificate is not proof, especially when at the time of birth Hawaii allowed foreign born nationals to get certificates of birth, see Phil Bergs case about that fact in law. Treaties+ Kenyan Law which govern his father immigration status by law governed Obama status before u.s. laws could. He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, and arguably Indonesian citizen, by his mothers actions, any and of which would bar him from POTUS eligibility!
altops 1 month ago in playlist Recommended Obama Videos
@altops
The status of the parents is irrelevant. That's what you don't get. Natural born is a literal term, meaning born on US soil. That's all it means. A Hawaiian birth certificate stating Obama was born in Hawaii is all he needs to run for president. Any other candidate would only need that slip of paper and the verification of the state of Hawaii to run for president.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev, A Hawaiian bc only proves he is a US citizen eligible to run for the US Senate, but his father's naturalization papers could prove him eligible to be a US President.
borderraven 1 month ago
@borderraven
Under US law the parents' status is irrelevant.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev you keep sayin that but explain, when McCain had to prove his status eligibility with this as one of his points.
altops 1 month ago
@altops
The difference between the two is that McCain was not born in this country. Obama was. Big difference.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
@arrrogantlyignorant Mc Cain was born on federal zone IE Mc Cain was a natural born federal US citizen. If Obama was born on a state Non Federal jurisdiction then he would have been an article 4 section 2 clause one Citizen of the state, One of the people. unlike the federal zone citizenship of US citizen which is a person
deathmarch5 1 month ago
@deathmarch5
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone before it became US territory.
"Obama was born on a state Non Federal jurisdiction"
What exactly does that mean? Obama was born in Hawaii. He is a natural born American citizen.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
@altops
McCain was born on a military base in a foreign country, which was considered US soil. Realistically there's more of an issue with McCain's birth status than with Obama's. Birthers seemed to ignore that in the 2008 election. Born in Hawaii is natural born.
dudev 1 month ago
@borderraven James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)
“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, that every person owes a natural allegiance to the government of that country in which he is born. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection…
cont'd
clarity023 1 month ago
@clarity023, Yes Obama owes allegiance to the US, but he was born with options to be loyal to many other sovereigns, like Britain and Indonesians.
borderraven 1 month ago
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@altops
"He is by law first, a Kenyan then British citizen subject, "
Please feel free to explain exactly how a person born on US soil to an American citizen mother is "by law first a Kenyan then British citizen subject".
This should be a good one.
arrrogantlyignorant 1 month ago
@dudev If the child is born on US soil, it's native born.
Not all native born are natural born citizens, but all natural born citizens are native born.
borderraven 1 month ago
@borderraven
I've seen plenty of government forms, but I've never seen any that use the word "native born." It's because you birthers have made it all up. Have you even heard of the term "anchor baby", which republicans have been using to describe the natural-born children of illegal immigrants? Any child born in the US is natural-born, regardless of the status of the parents. The UK had the same law up until about 20 years. ago.
dudev 1 month ago
@borderraven Natural and native are synonyms. Look up.
clarity023 1 month ago
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@clarity023 says "Natural and native are synonyms. Look up."
no they are not same.
All children born in the USA, after the adoption of the US Constution, on September 17, 1787, to a US Citizen, is a native born dual US citizen.
All children born in the USA, after the adoption of the US Constution, on September 17, 1787, to two US Citizens are a natural born citizens.
All natural born citizens are native born, but not all US Citizens are natural born citizens.
borderraven 1 month ago
@dudev Are you familiar with the 1802 naturalization Act? do you know taking an Oath expatriates you from your natural citizenship? under USC title 8 section 1481Did you know all Americans born out side DC and the 5 territorial zones are state citizens which is a natural citizenship under article 4 section 2 clause 1? That the 14th amendment was for all Federal zone and territorial zones born as well as anyone who took an oath to serve in government? 14th amendment didnt change it added to.
deathmarch5 1 month ago
@deathmarch5
You're really digging your hole deep, aren't you? You can whip out all the misinterpreted sections and clauses you want, but the law makes Obama a natural-born citizen, not the opinion of the masses. Hawaii verifies his status and that's all that matters. Courts are just humoring Orly Taitz and the birthers, just to be fair. But no judge is going to contradict Hawaii without some mighty big evidence. And the birthers don't have it. The burden of proof is NOT on Obama.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev Point is, HIS father was NOT a citizen but a British subject from a colony of Great Britain, and the definition of "Natural Born" at the time the Founders wrote the Constitution was "Both parents" must be US Citizens.
williamjwagener 1 month ago
@williamjwagener
The law's interpreted by the supreme court, not the dead founders. And the court ruled in the late 1800's --the parents' status doesn't matter. No where on any of my documents does it mention where my non-citizen parents were born. I was born in the US, and I'm natural born. There's no form that makes a distinction between native born and natural born. You birthers keep changing arguments. First you say he was born in Kenya and now you try to redefine what natural born means.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev "You seem ... to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed',Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father. it also seems your values in-judges are as corrupt as TJ label of Judges as they are mere men.
altops 1 month ago
@altops
Sounds like you need a lesson in the Constitution. Legislators can change laws, but the the courts interpret them. How else would it work? If legislators both wrote and interpreted the laws then we wouldn't have a separation of powers. And I'm sure the founding fathers would have found that to be worse. Quote mining Jefferson is just feeble.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev So, what about the legislator that WROTE the law, that the courts are trying to interpret? If there is some text in a bill that you aren't sure of, would you rather have the definition from the guy who wrote the law himself or would you rather have a judge interpret what the legislator MEANT? I would stick with the guy who wrote the law, to tell us what he meant, over a judge trying to interpret!
KenyanBornObamAcorn 1 month ago
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@KenyanBornObamAcorn
"I would stick with the guy who wrote the law, to tell us what he meant, over a judge..."
Yeah, it's called a dictatorship. The founders were smart enough to write a Constitution and spell out that there should be a separation of powers. Legislators can abuse power and without checks and balances there's nothing to stop them. So they shouldn't be the ones to interpret what is Constitutional and what isn't.
dudev 1 month ago
@KenyanBornObamAcorn Agreed. But those that wrote the law and Constitution are long dead. so here comes Mr. Titus, and lets see what he says, as an expert.
williamjwagener 1 month ago
@dudev #1NOT THE CONSTITUTION. #2 NOT INCORRECTLY. #3 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONSTITUTION. #4NEVER SUGGESTED THE TWAIN SHOULD. #5 FORGETTING WHO IS BOSS AND WHERE OUR LIBERTY WAS DERIVED IS TREASONOUS, STUPID, AND UNAMERICAN. AND YOU ARE SUGGESTING I STAND ON WHAT THEN, MY FAULTY SELFISH HUMANISM ? POUND SAND.
altops 1 month ago
@altops
We don't live in a lawless society in which the public can do anything it wants. It's not a free-for-all. If you don't trust the Republican governor, the republican head of the Hawaiian Health Dept., the federal elections commission, who have all declared Obama a natural born citizen, then that's your problem, not theirs. You must think everybody is part of the conspiracy or that they're all stupid. You have no legal authority to demand Obama do MORE than is legally required.
dudev 1 month ago
@altops
The constitution and the rule of law are boss. Going around demanding that Obama bend over backwards to prove his citizenship --holding him to a higher standard than any other candidate, a higher standard than the law requires--is not legal. This is why the courts are laughing at the birthers and only humoring them to be fair. If Hawaii says Obama's natural born, then that's the end of it. Unless you have proof otherwise. And the burden of proof is on the birthers, not Obama.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev your coming around but not quite, The Constitution is a contract with Government, who are those who swear an Oath, that an individuals rights are to be protected, and not infringed upon. The rule of law must be in support and subjection to the Public's unalienable rights for which the Constitution was forged and signed. all other laws which are repugnant to the constitution are void MARBURY v.MADISON.
altops 1 month ago
@altops
And the supreme court, empowered by the constitution to interpret the law, has determined that natural-born citizenship has nothing to do with the status of the parents. Also, under our laws, citizens are not authorized to go around demanding to see people's ID. When the birthers question Obama's BC, they're also questioning Hawaii's legitimacy, and the incompetency of all those who are elected or appointed to office. They think it's one giant conspiracy theory.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev Excuse me, but the same Supreme Court has ruled that Public Officials who are elected and even appointed lose most of their Right to Privacy, and most Presidential appointees have been subjected to severe interagation about their past education, statements and even social clubs they belonged to. Obama MUST either prove it or, admit, he is a fake President. Any other path would be to say "some" elected officials are ABOVE the law. if true, we = dictatorship, Long Live the Republic !
williamjwagener 1 month ago
@williamjwagener well excuse e if those who are elected lose most of their rights how coe we have never seen the past presidents birth certificates how about the members of congress and the senate or the state govenors or elected officials where are there birth certificates Obama is the only one who's shown his information to the public. Whose been subjected to severe interagation.
SupremekaiD5 1 month ago
@williamjwagener
As far as the law goes, Obama has already proven his natural-born citizenship. The burden of proof is no longer on him, it's on the birthers to prove him wrong. Obama's met the qualifications; he doesn't have to bend over backwards beyond what the law requires. That's why we have laws with limitations. If you have reliable evidence that he's lying, then present it to a court. But don't be surprised when it ends up going nowhere.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev Well G.W.BUSH lied about WMD, and massacred many innocent people, and got away with it, just because Obama got away with lying does not mean the LAW is being observed. Good People lose in court every day. Corruption is rapant on all levels.
williamjwagener 1 month ago
@williamjwagener well said, Mr. Wagener!
mlovesTx 1 month ago
@williamjwagener
"just because Obama got away with lying does not mean the LAW is being observed."
That's a preconceived conclusion on your part. You think he lied. But you have no reliable evidence. So you don't actually know. You think you know. And you're 'searching for information' that will 'confirm' your conclusion. And by calling everyone who disagrees with you "corrupt", you're feeding a conspiracy theory, not a search for truth. It's your logic that's corrupt.
dudev 1 month ago
@dudev: once gain.. did you bother to watch all 6 parts to the video of the court proceedings?? You just sound like a jackass now.. youre not making any sense.
JG1635 1 month ago
@JG1635
It's irrelevant. No court is going to contradict a US state's verification of a birth certificate, unless it has some mighty strong evidence. If the birthers had strong evidence, they wouldn't still be at this after 4 years.
dudev 1 month ago