Who was Jesus? ( Crossfire and Conclusions - 5 of 5 )

[6883a927]

This kinda reminds me of a Christian who says they believe in Jesus, but will listen to false teachers because they don't understand their own book They think that someone can come along later and give a new revelation that isn't in the book. Muslims have the Quran which speaks of Moses, Jesus and many others and calls them prophets of Islam, yet when Jesus says He is the only way to the Father [John 14:6], you call Him a liar. You can't have it both ways. God's peace

[mawnyz1]

@6883a927 Follow Isah (jesus) ibn Maryam's teaching only then he'll be your way to the Creator/Allah swt-he(Jesus) did NOT LIE 2 any1-he was 2 rescue!

" when Jesus says He is the only way to the Father [John 14:6], you call Him a liar. You can't have it both ways. YOU quote the narratives of john & claim to understand what those words must mean, but have YOU stopped to ask YOURSELF the ACTUALLY meaning of THOSE words? If you had you might a better understanding of the narratives you mentioned!

[6883a927]

@mawnyz1 The words in John are very plain, even someone with no education can understand them. Only someone who twists things, refuses to hear the truth. The moon god Allah was not worshiped in Judea when Jesus [Isah] was alive. You may refuse to listen to the truth, but God will not hold me responsible because it has been given to you.

[mawnyz1]

@6883a927 "The moon god Allah was not worshiped in Judea when Jesus [Isah] was alive."

Muthrah, born of a virgin, whose birthday used 2 be celebrated on 25th of December (a Pagan custom every year) certainly WAS there even before Isah (Jesus) ibn Maryam was alive!

Since you believe you have been given the truth & youre holding on to it- based on the same spirit Do YOU SINCERELY believe that Isah ibn (Jesus) Maryam was born on 25th of December OR are YOU TOO following blindly the same custom?

[6883a927]

@mawnyz1 This is my last response to you. I do not celebrate Christmas or Ester since both are in reality pagan holidays dressed up in Christian service. But neither do I celebrate Ramadan a time used to do works for your god Allah. You are hoping that by doing all the things you do that somehow you will find favor with Allah. In Christianity you can't earn a place in heaven; you ask for it, by following Christ. Read the book!

[mawnyz1]

@6883a927 Nothing that comes without effort is worthy of having because in the heart it does NOT HOLD ANY SPECIAL VALUE in fact considered as worthless!

Celebrating of Ramadan is only one of the Allah swt 's blessings, it's during this blessed month, one can only sample the experience of what poverty does to a person who has been deprived, through no fault of their own, of what belongs to them by those who believe their need 2 satisfy their greed is far greater instead of on fair trade basis!

[mawnyz1]

@6883a927 Does "god" die? If god can be killed than hes no god at all, this is your belief! Just like ppl get canonised into sainthood nowadays-in olden days time they used to instead turn them into deities!

Sounds as though youve been lead 2 believe that youve100% guarantee of going to heaven merely by asking for it - which Hollywood movie have you been watching or reading Stewart Hall's book ? Is there any gain without pain? Do you get paid without doing any work?

You don't believe in HOPE!

[soulchild0808]

Here is a point for everyone in seeing into the mind of Jesus. If you honestly read the bible when Jesus is teaching or challenged you will notice that he does not argue with anyone. He merely states the truth in which his existence is based, the Word of God. After said moment he moves on with his life not debating, not arguing, not stressed or frustrated because someone did agree or understand. His concern was for those who simply placed faith in the Word and walked with Him.

[soulchild0808]

The bottom line is that the Word of God is unchanging. Gods truths are unchanging. So if his debate does not change in the manner of subject is because he cannot change the Word of God. Look in the book of Revelation 22:18-19 (18 paraphrased) in which it says that if anyone adds to the Word of God so shall he have added the plagues of the bible upon him. (19 paraphrased) anyone who shall take away from the Word of God so shall his part in the book of life and the Holy city be taken away.

[MegaJaal]

If Nabeel repeats himself is because there is nothing to debate in the Quran. The subject matter in the Quran is very limited.

[MegaJaal]

If Nabeel repeats himself is because there is nothing to debate in the Quran. The subject matter in the Quran is very limited.

[nlicj09]

Nabeel is spot on in his views of who Jesus is

[mawnyz1]

( Since he claimed to be an ex-Muslim- was he being taught the Bible or the Noble Quran)? It seems quite plain that he aimed to deceive ppl about his true (Christianity) Religion when he was pretending to be have been a Muslim! He lied about his faith how can anyone believe what he says now?

Nabeel says: what the Noble Quran teaches is wrong, then what did he compare the Noble Quran with to reach that conclusion?

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1: Nabeel says: what the Noble Quran teaches is wrong, then what did he compare the Noble Quran with to reach that conclusion?

He is comparing the Bible to the Quran, the biblical stand point, the historical standing, the truth in what it speaks, prophecy fulfilled then and still is to this day.

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 His understanding is inadequate. Hes ineducable

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 Why would you say that he is incapable of being educated? You don't have to answer that question. As I said before, the Word of God is unchanging, undeniable, unmoving. Alpha and Omega, the creator of all things so since the bible is the Word of GOD and Nabeel is debating this (doing a fine job by the way) then he is doing what he should. There is nothing to educate him on, nothing to enlighten him with, he is going by the Word of God.

My ? is what is your understanding?

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 Learning still but... bible? word of God? the collection of text you have, which YOU call bible can hardly be called THE WORD OF GOD when it should be considered as the OPINIONS of MEN who were in the guise of theologians - some of them had their own agenda- Isah ibn Maryam brought no new Laws except to affirm what had already been revealed before him.

Not sure what is YOUR understanding?

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 We need to be clear about what is said. So far YOU have stated your opinion about something without any facts to support your statements. As for opinions of men, that is one thing it is not. Even the selection of men who have participated in writing the bible were not of educated stature, theologians, or the such but average men or blue collar status (if that). What agenda do you think they had? Why do you say opinions of men? What new laws do you expect?

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 FACTS: Who were these people, MATHEW, MARK LUKE & JOHN who wrote what YOU call bible THE WORD OF GOD? Did these ppl ever meet prophet Isah (jesus) ibn Maryam during the time he preached- NO! They never did meet Jesus oreven spoke to him! Now, YOU tell me how can they ever claim what they wrote was actually uttered by prophet Jesus? Then comes along paul, who with his own agenda, brings about another facet 2 the character of Isah ibn Maryam- the trinity! prophet jesus said trinity?

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 Jesus began speaking of himself in multiple terms i.e. "permit it to be so now, for it is fitting for US to fulfill all righteousness MATT. 3:15 (hence the Father; Son; and Holy Spirit). Note that shortly after the baptismal is when Jesus was tempted by the devil then later began meeting his disciples and later from that point teaching in the city of Galilee.

Again; I am not claiming to be a scholar in fact very new at this but if I can find the answers to support...

[soulchild0808]

(whether you chose to believe or not) then where are you supporting facts? Above all things that Jesus our Lord requires of us is to have faith in that unknown to us for GODs wisdom is beyond our comprehension and simply requires this faith.

Be blessed my brother and I pray all is revealed.

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 Ok, this will be my final reply, its been fun but have to bring this debate to an end. You have failed to present anything to support your statements and continue to just contradict whatever I may state which is all fine.

My question is, if GOD can create a Universe and all that exist in it, make the minds that have walked the earth that have contributed all that we have, can exist anywhere at anytime, do you not believe that in HIS planning HE can place himself/child in a woman? cont

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 This is NOT a contradiction for its sake but 2 seek clarity with sound reasoning, yet none is forth coming! take for example prophet Adam, YOU call him a sinner yet Maryam is his child thus jesus too is tainted because he is a child of a sinned product therefore he can NOT be made divine by virtue of having been filtered through layers of cleansing as if he (jesus) were some kind of consumable product which needs the dirt 2 B washed off 2 make it LOOK new!

THATS CALLED DECEPTION!

[soulchild0808]

@soulchild0808 I am still waiting on the answers to my questions presented at the end of last statement which are pertaining to the some of the same statements you made again i.e. Paul with his own agenda...

I will say this (not claiming to be a scholar and if you believe me to be for sake of making some argument; you are wasting your time) Mark, MATTHEW, Luke and John all wrote in accordance to witnessing as much as meeting. Reading even when Jesus came upon John the Baptist (continued)

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 You in fact are following paul THE BOUNTY HUNTER's christianity rather than Isah ibn Maryam- for he was sent to spread the love & give guidance to the LOST SHEEP of israel. He came without bringing any new heavenly Laws but affirming & clarifying what had already been established which was monotheism! But instead you turned a creation into a Creator, thus making him a partner equal in grandeur & majesty to the The Creator/Allah swt!

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 "Jesus came upon John the Baptist"

Was john the batist not a Isah ibn Maryam's brother whose letters were omitted from inclusion into mathew mark luke & john's narratives because those letter represented a totally opposit picture of Isah ibn Maryam to what these ppl will have you believed!?

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 Maybe because again, that is the TRINITY.  The Word was with GOD and the Word was GOD. The Word was Jesus (his only begotten Son). There is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...all are separate but one in the same.

[mawnyz1]

@soulchild0808 (his only begotten Son).borne by a woman who was created by Allah swt? Yet prophet Adam is one above prophet jesus since he neither had a mother nor a father- pbut both! So how can you claim jesus to be his only begotten son? are WE NOT HIS CHILDREN? We too were created by Him- were WE NOT?

What? one plus one plus one equals one? which school did you go to for your education?

"There is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...all are separate but one in the same."

WHICH ONES FIRST?

[soulchild0808]

@mawnyz1 2ND PART...

Do you not believe that a GOD that can create all things, the universe, the minds that have contributed to all we are and have today, etc cannot have in HIS plan a reason to have HIS begotten Son born flesh? All creation had a beginning so if Adam (who was not a prophet) was the 1st man; then he had to be created and was by the hands of GOD himself. There is no 1UP here, proof in that is the fact that Adam was also the 1st sinner, Jesus had no sin. 

[soulchild0808]

4th and Final part:

As to my education, please do no insult me. As for the bible; as I said, I am not a scholar but if I can read and find the truth, why can’t you? GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one yet separate (hence the omnipotent; omnipotence; omnipresence part) which were together since the Alpha.

GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one yet separate (hence the omnipotent; omnipotence; omnipresence part) which were together since the Alpha so there is no “first”.

[6883a927]

@mawnyz1 Your arguments do not stand up. If you personally read the bible you will see the comparison. You should start with the book of John. It will give you the truth your so fond of. You call Nabeel a liar, but I bet you two things, 1st you have probably never met him. And 2nd you have probably never really compared the the two books side by side. You will never really know the truth until you do that. God's peace

[mawnyz1]

@6883a927 The narratives in your book is only for you!

The Monotheists do NOT worship Creator/Allah swt's creation only pagans do. Al Quran accompanied by Hadith, the 2 items are enough for us, thank you! Youre more than welcome 2 have a look at & read Al Quran when you have a little time2 spare, any time.

The analysis of John 14:6. verse which you believe had been twisted in its meaning?

Pray tell how YOU understand this verse or perhaps you find ambiguity & mystries more appealling & easy!

[brianfighter75]

Nabeels totally rude because of his big new brother David Wood who nearly axed his father to death.

[Kazvball1]

nabel makes no sense acts 3:13 THE GOD OF OUR FATHER HAS GLORIFIED HIS SERVENT JESUS BIBLE N.I.V

[rajathekingg]

Goat eatten- Nabel you are talking non-sense!

[peaceoutpeople]

nabeel wants to make money off of this controversy.

[mustafagtgt]

1) The Quran did not change from time to time since it was A REVELATION which is not restricted to a Single event or a Single day. It can be revealed in stages which produces benefit for those who are present during revelation.

2) In the same way he concedes to the inspired element of his four Authors he should NOT be hypocritical is his criticism of the Quran.

3) Historical analysis is open to BOTH interpretations of who Jesus was.

[JayEss2k]

wELL DONE NABEEL

[Mocro1984]

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal,

Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like

unto Him." (Quran, 112:1-4)

This is god.

[Mocro1984]

God" Was Created From The Seed of David: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh." (Romans, 1:3) david was the father of god??? Jesus the son of David??? a man with no father??? And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus." (Luke, 2:21) god a child??? god getting circumcising??? What are you Christians doing to god bringing god down to his creation. THER IS NO 1 LIKE GOD.

[mustafagtgt]

Compare and contrast.

Bible written by men with numerous mistakes, contradictions, inconsistent amd bias

Qur'an never claims to be an opinion or viewpoint of Mohammed, no textual or literal mistakes and commited to memory which later was varified through Archiological diggs.

[cafeespresso99]

Nabeel wants Farhan to accept that the Bible is inspired.  If Farhan accepts that notion, then he would be effectively christian.

Nabeel's approach seems entirely illogical.

[CHRISTIANABUSED]

nabeel is just full of it, has the same weak arguments in every debate.

[sightuponlight]

Tell me about it... thats why I skip nabeels time.

[mrpopo8603]

Nah, You skip Nabeel's time because you're scared he might destroy your faith.

[sightuponlight]

mrpopo8603 said,

''Nah, You skip Nabeel's time because you're scared he might destroy your faith.''

My faith is not built on debaters. I always enjoy new arguments, if any, I just don't think nabeel has something worth listening !

Feel free to skip whatever u like.

[mannypatel1]

nabeel is a joke, he just copies from another dishonest guy called david wood