@bikerOGX I'm talking about for the tie breaker they should drop the next highest. But never mind I think they should average all of the scores for a tie breaker
I think that this rule is unfair. I'm not saying that Nastia should have won bars, I'm not even sure if she should have won silver. I like her at BB, FX and AA and I like how often she sticks her landings but I don't like her UB. Generally I don't understand what's wrong with two gymnasts tie for gold, But if there's gonna be a tie break I'd really like it if the 2 gymnasts performed their routine again. It would be so exciting to watch
@xrictinagymnastics Sure, but any rule change needs to be made BEFORE a competition. Complaining about a rule only after you lost just seems kinda whiny and lame, especially since the tie-breaker rule has been in effect for over a decade before the Beijing Olympics. I mean, you could try and get the tie-breaker rule changed for 2012, but it doesn't affect Nastia one way or the other.
@bikerOGX Yes of course. As I said I don't think that Nastia should have won this medal and to be honest I didn't know about this rule before 2008 (despite the fact that it was not a new rule) and that's why I didn't complain about it earlier. I'd like to see that rule change in the future but obviously this shouldn't and won't affect Nastia
@xrictinagymnastics Unless, of course, Nastia makes it back to the 2012 Olympics, ends up in UB finals, and somehow ties another gymnast again. This would open up the possibility of an ironic twist, where the old tie-breaker rule would have given Nastia the gold, but now with your new rule, she has to perform her routine again, falls, and ends up with silver. Some people might call your new rule unfair and ask why it was suddenly changed after 16 years.
@bikerOGX ahahahaha that would be crazy. I don't think that this rule would be the most perfect or the most fair, it would just make the competition much more intense but no matter how fair a rule is there will always be people who disagree with it especially when it comes to their favourite gymnast. But I think that really there's nothing wrong with 2 gymnasts tie for gold in the Olympics, it would be much more simple
@xrictinagymnastics I would say it's simpler for the judges, but more complicated for the Olympic organizers, who must then prepare to provide enough medals for all sorts of possible crazy results: 2 gymnasts tie for gold, 2 gymnast tie for silver, 3 gymnasts tie for bronze, 2 teams tie for gold, etc. arrghh! And let's not forget there are hundreds of other sports in the Olympics besides gymnastics. I think that's why the tie-breaker rule was created in the first place.
@xrictinagymnastics Also, if 2 gymnasts tie for silver or bronze, and we used your new tie-breaker rule, it would required them perform again. Instead of being more exciting, it would be kinda anti-climactic because the gold medal has already been decided. OR if 2 gymnasts tie for gold, if wouldn't feel right if they both then mess up on the tie-breaker and end up winning with a final score lower than the bronze medalist. OR what if the tie is in AA, repeat all 4 events?
the camera angle for BBC showed was able to show more of nastia's form breaks. at this angle, you can't see it as well, but the BBC commentators kept mentioning form breaks on every one of her giants. i think the NBC commentators were extremely biased during these games, plus a controversial camera angle
Personally I wanted to see Beth Tweedle 1st (but unfortunatley that performance was not her best), and then He Kexin and Yang Yilin 2nd & 3rd. Nastia is amazing at bars but I just prefer releases and not pirouettes and that day she wasn't at her best. Nastia never was my favourite gymnast but it broke my heart to see her reaction when she realised she was second.
As about the olympic rules I never understood them? Why they don't count all the scores? wouldn't that be more simple?
@StFrancoisofthelord Nastia really didnt deserve it. She had multiple messy areas and i definetly think Kexin didnt deserve it either. i personally would have loved to see Yang Yilin win the gold because she was a lot better than Nastia. She is a good gymnast, not the greatest though. Her bars are extremely messy and she got overscored with her performances here and in the team final.
@ladodgerschick Cuz a "D" dismount was required at minimum. Nastia had big problems with her old double layout, so she switched to a double front, which she also had trouble with until she added the half twist to make it easier for her to land. Her form is terrible and she looks like a frog, but it's better than falling on her ass.
Nastia's skills are soooo easy!!! Infact all put together will be very high difficulty but put them apart a level 10 could do it...... Sorry personal opinion
I really don't care either way who won but it does seem an odd system for tie breaking because Nastia's execution scores after dropping the first set of high and low were all above 9 but He Kexin's were not.
@ULibby Not True. Nastia only had one score above 9. Kexin had two scores above 9. And of the six judges, three scored Kexin higher, while only two score Nastia higher, and one had them tied.
@bikerOGX After they drop the high and low they are tied. At this point Nastia's scores are all 9 or above. Hexin still has the 8.9. However I see what you are saying they did follow the tie breaker rules. They just need better rules. I really like Kexin she has a really dynamic routine.
@ULibby Sure, but what you're not making clear is that He Kexin had more execution scores ABOVE 9, not just at 9. What would really be messed up and require a rule change is if somehow Nastia won...because MORE JUDGES SCORED HE KEXIN HIGHER THAN NASTIA.
Australia, Poland, New Zealand, South Africa, Brazil, Bulgaria???? None of these countries are qualified to judge gymnastics. They're gymnastics programs SUCK! Judges should come from countries like China, Japan, the USA, Romania, Russia, and even maybe Germany and Great Britain.
@bernardmvella Actually it is. Judges from powerhouse countries are more exposed to the sport. Just like the USA shouldn't be a judge for synchronized swimming or rythmic gymnastics. They're not exposed to it.
@clwgirl510 Contrary. The last 15 years, we've seen the Australian program improve tremendously. Bulgaria was once a powerhouse back in the early 1980s, and the gymnasts at that time may very well be judges now. Brazil's program has improved tremendously in the last 10 years as well. Besides, if you have the powerhouses judging, chances are, that's why politics get into the picture. Here, none of these countries have anything to gain.
@3Axel1996 I agree with you. Additionally if you're a judge from any of those countries, chances are your job revolves around gymnastics, likely coaching, organizing etc... All judges have to pass very strict tests to be certified. With the internet and TV nowaday's, being interested in gymnastics from a non-powerhouse isn't a problem in accessing related material to it... You don't have to be able to perform an amanar to see a deduction for piked hips or bent knees.
@clwgirl510 they can't because they you have personal country bias going on. if there's a romanian athlete in the final, there can't be a romanian judge
@96horseluvr I know that.... That's why we're left with judges who don't come from countries with popular gymnastics cultures. That's what's wrong with judging.
@TotalChic347....and I find it VERY telling and VERY ironic that, this Chinese website wasn't easy to get to. The journalist had to search Cached pages to find it. And as he uncovered page after page of Official Government Documents, the Chinese went and yanked down every web page he discovered.
Now why, pray tell, would you do that unless you have something to hide?
Liukin: 0.1 for Pak, 0.3 for dismount - form & step, 0.1 - 0.5 for transition back to High, 0.3 for leg separation from each backward swing during her connection series (she does 3) = 0.8 - 1.2
Kexin: 0.1 for dead hang first element, 0.1 dead hang after 2nd jaegar, 0.1 dead hang after laid-out jaegar, 0.1 for Pak, 0.3 for dead hang for transition, 0.1 - 0.5 not vertical = 0.8 - 1.2
LOL! I SWEAR, my breakdown was not planned. WAY too equal.
"I have to say that I think they dropped the ball on this one". Why do you not surprise me???? He Kexin has a bad error in her dead hang which is probably made more obvious by her good swing through the rest of the routine. Nastia on the other hand has a lot of slightly bent legs, a couple of minor leg separations, a bad late turn and horrible form on her dismount. Punishing Nastia's poor form rewards gymnasts who do the extra work to make their routines beautiful as well as hard.
How about, that Gold Medal rightly belonged to Nastia Liukin because He Kexin was only 14 in 2008? He Kexin never should have BEEN there to begin with.
A year ago, a Chinese gymnast slipped up and ADMITTED she was underage at the 2000 Sydney Olympics, and due to that admission, the Chinese were rightly STRIPPED of their team medal.
I can't WAIT for the day when He Kexin slips up and ADMITS she was only 14 in 2008.
@ChavaAyanna Yeah, but Nastia was really 13 in 2008. Her birth certificate was issued from the U.S.S.R., so it's probably fake. Do I have proof? I have exactly as much proof as you do about He Kexin.
@ChavaAyanna And speaking of the 2000 Sydney Olympics, that was the same Olympics where the U.S. got 6 medals stripped away for steroids cheating. I can't WAIT for the day when Nastia Liukin slips up and ADMITS she was only 13 in 2008 AND that her dad injected ANABOLIC STEROIDS into her BUTT like ROGER CLEMENS and LANCE ARMSTRONG.
@ChavaAyanna The IOC has examined the age of the Chinese gymnasts from 2008 and there was substantial evidence to prove them to be at least 16. Many people think that they are younger than 16 because of their physique, which is normal for them, they are born naturally shorter. They have not really undergone their puberty yet and if you see from previous years, many have had growth spurts. Unless you have substantial evidence to prove the IOC wrong, then everyone should leave this subject alone.
@totalchic347 The same thing happened in 2000 in Sydney. They were questioned at that time. AGAIN the "Powers That Be" were too much of a PUSSY to take the Chinese head on and they dropped the subject.....UNTIL one of the gymnasts "SLIPPED UP" last year and said "Yes in the year 2000 I was really only 14 years old".
The IOC has just RECENTLY STRIPPED ( thank God ) the Chinese gymnasts of their Team Bronze Medal in Sydney and given it to the Americans ( rightly so ). The chinese are liars
@ChavaAyanna Is there some personal vendetta that you have against the Chinese? Because you seem to be saying that all Chinese are liars based on what happened in Sydney.
Likewise, there is a chance that they did not lie, but people still remember Sydney which is why this controversy is still so huge 1 year from London.
@totalchic347 No, I just don't like "injustices" being done. Even an independent journalist, when he first smelled something fishy, searched on the "Official Chinese Arbitration Of Sport", which is the OFFICIAL COMMUNITY CHINA'S sporting website. All of the documents had Kexin's age as 12 in 2006 and 13 in 2007, which would have made her 14 in 2009.
As this journalist uncovered each document, the Chinese MYSTERIOUSLY yanked it down from the site as if to hide something. They were caught
@ChavaAyanna What do you suppose should be done with the team silver they won in 2007? They competed with Li Shanshan, Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuan, 3 of the gymnasts who were inspected in 2008...if they were underage in 2008, then shouldn't they be underage in 2007 too?
Many people forget that these gymnasts had previously competed, of course most people forget because the Chinese did not win gold like in 2008. The US won gold and if the Chinese were underage, the US would take the gold, right?
@totalchic347 At ANY time during ANY competition, if a gymnast is found to be underage, no matter how many years it takes, that "said individual or individuals" should be STRIPPED of their medal and banned from the sport for an unsaid amount of years.
I'm not sure where Team USA finished in the team competition. All I remember is this journalist took screen shots of the Official Communist China Arbitration Of Sport documents which listed He's age as 14 in 2008.. She should be stripped
@ChavaAyanna I feel like this is a subject that should be dropped for now and only reignited if it is revealed that they were underage or not..nothing said here will result in the stripping of the medals.
@totalchic347 It's all good hunney <3 I'm glad at least we can discuss this like adults. i've tried to talk to other people about this and all I got were people cussing at me and talking down to me like I was a 5yr old LOL.
So it was nice to have an intelligent discussion with somoene <3 even if nothing may be resolved ( for now )
@ChavaAyanna Agreed. I've tried reasoning (just like with you) and all I get is "fuck off" "bitch" etc. It's hurtful somewhat, I mean, I'm trying to be composed and they are just cussing their heads off at me. I almost want to cuss back, but then I remember, that's not really going to help.
@lindiuxlinda The computer automatically determines the winner. He Kexin had higher execution scores than Nastia when they eliminated the lowest scores. 6 judges give them a score. They lowest and highest score are taken away and when this happened they were tied. The next lowest score was taken out, and He Kexin's avergae was a bit higher than Nastia's, so He Kexin won.
@lindiuxlinda Because, for the Execution score there are 6 juges. Every juge scores the exercise individualy. Then every one of the 6 juges has a score. That make 6 different scores. Of this 6 diferent scores, the highest and lowest are taken away. Than, of the 4 remaining scores, they calculate the average. That gives a score. But since both had the same score with that, they took ANOTHER score away, the lowest one of the remaining and redid the average. That gives two different scores for both
please don't hate on nastia, people! she's a human being, and she's really a great person! watch her as-a-young-kid and you'll regret what you said!!!
People don't hate nastia as a person, all fair-minded gymnastics fans in the world. except some biased Americans, can see Liukin has many visible errors in her UB routine. Fair-minded fans in the world think that both Kexin and Yilin had better UB performance and they both should place ahead of Liukin. Liukin has been overscored on all 4 events for too long, just because that racist chair of FIG Grandi likes her and some judges from former Soviet Union helped her!
How many Americans gave a shit when Leszek Blanik of Poland won a tiebreaker over France's Thomas Bouhail in men's vault at the Beijing Olympics? Yeah, that's what I thought. So STFU about the tie-breaker. Nastia lost, end of story.
You should ask NBC commentators, u.s. media, coaches and American fans why they hate these lovely Chinese girls so much?! Why do they bash Chinese gymnasts all the time?! NBC and other u.s. media are the meanest and most biased media when they do any reporting on Chinese or other non-American gymnasts if these non-Americans win.
omg, why is everyone hating on nastia?! like really, she's a human, not a robot. so what if she had a few MINOR errors, i'm pretty sure everyone did on every performance and no one was PERFECT i'm not an olympic judge or anything so i'm not going to sit here and complain that she should have won but i will say the tie breaking system is dumb. in my opinion, she should have won because that chinese girl had MAJOR errors but i'm not going to argue with anyone on here. nastia's an olympian the end
Nastia's visible errors were only the little leg separations on her giants. Everyone is stupid for constantly repeating the cowboy dismount. Go watch double front, double arabian montages. Everyone, excluding Ivana Hong, does it looking like a "cowboy." Looks more like a frog to me. I'm American, I'm biased whatever. They both deserved gold.
@cheddarpretzels Not everyone. For example, Yang Yilin, post back surgery, switched to a double front dismount on bars sometime in 2010. No cowboying. People talk about Nastia's cowboy/frog dismount because it WAS a major visible error, along with the missed handstand, incurring the most deductions.
The IOC should really consider changing the tie-break criteria. They should take the person's scores from that event for the whole competition and choose a winner. That way the most consistent gymnist wins.
@TheMchucker 2008 is over. Give it up. If you go ahead and change the tie-break criteria that's been in effect since '96, there's no guarantee for the next Olympics that another U.S. gymnast won't end up on the short end of the new criteria, when she would've won under the old. Then Americans will be whining about how unfair the new tie-breaker system is and asking what was wrong with the old.
Everyone of kexins kips looked horrible and needed to use strength, she had a a dead hang, missed a few handstands and huge step on dismount to the side. It was a tie breaker, give them both gold! Also he kexin was said to be 14 in 2008 in a Chinese magazine.
On bars,Liukin had late turn,leg separation all over,and EXCESSIVE bent legs.she cowboy her double front dimount,the judges never took the deduction that should be taken.Liukin also has little power and height on her vault.On beam,she connects skills with snail-speed to get less deduction.On 2007 worlds beam final, I'm very sure that she had a MAJOR wable and still won.On floor,Liukin always crosses her leg to make them look like scissors,each one should take 0.3 deduction,but NONE was taken.
Even Though gymanstics is easier when you are younger, but beating by younger athletes is VERY shameful for the americans.Nastia Liukin had much more severe form problem than He Kexin.
On bars,Liukin had late turn,leg separation all over,and EXCESSIVE bent legs.she cowboy her double front dimount,the judges never took the deduction that should be taken.Liukin also has little power and height on her vault.On beam,she connects skills with snail-speed to get less deduction.On 2007 worlds beam final, I'm very sure that she had a MAJOR wable and still won.On floor,Liukin always crosses her leg to make them look like scissors,each one should take 0.3 deduction,but NONE was taken
@Planetimage2 .3 deduction for crossed legs?!?!?!?! Are you kidding???? Mustafina has copter legs! Her form is awful and they sure don't take .3 for every tumbling pass! So .3 for every pass is ridiculous. Nastia's form wasn't that bad! Let's see how He Kexin does at 18....since she was 13 here, clearly. And what about He's form breaks and dead hangs? Not to mention that awful dismount. He did NOT deserve the medal over Nastia. YYL performed the best but was left with a bronze.
aww nastia was dissapointed...and confused she should just know that she rreally did come in first but they just cant give out 2 gold medals....and i love nastia but he deserved it
He is more smaller than Nastia...."jumping' from the low bar to the high bar is a very long dstance for someone who's 4 feet 11' while Nastia is 5 feet 3' thats a big difference! So its not unusual that He has some deadhangs. and besides Nastia is older and has more experience....
@CallieMulan While I thought He was a lot better than Liukin, He's deadhangs were not acceptable. Yes, she's 4'11'', but Viktoria Komova (4'8", recent growth spurt made her grow to 5'0") and many other Russians are a lot shorter and don't have this problem.
@CallieMulan Yes but Viktoria Komova just turned 16 and even in 2008, her shoots from the low to high didn't have dead hangs. Vika was 13 at the time. About the age I suspect He was.
He is more smaller than Nastia...."jumping' from the low bar to the high bar is a very long dstance for someone who's 4 feet 11' while Nastia is 5 feet 3' thats a big difference! So its not unusual that He has some deadhangs.
Hate that NBC! Nastia had so much more errors and her errors were worse. Really ugly froggy dismount and that missed hand stand and that leg separation, all of that should have been corrected at practise!!!
Honestly, Nastia should have won. All she had were cowboyed legs and for one thing- she STUCK her dismount! And He Kexin was amazing and had more things that would just WOW you but she had dead hangs and I could actually see more errors in He's routine than Nastia.
i was going to go into how good of athletes both ladies are etc. i shouldnt have to prove my point, it already should be known/understood. i kept ranting and eventually, youtube said "0 characters remaining." that's because no words can describe a gymnast's flirtation with perfection.
Nastia took a step to salute the judges - she didn't step to the side or correct herself. She had a mistake on the pak salto and on the pirouette on the low bar. He Kexin was sideways on a pirouette, took a step on the dismount, and had dead hangs EVERYWHERE. People are entitled to their own opinions, but in my book Nastia is the best bar worker in the world. On the not-so-serious side of things, I was always saying He Kexin's name wrong! (:
@houndscheer1996 You're forgetting Nastia's crappy tkachev, bent knees before every release including dismount, and leg separations before healy, ono, and ono with half pirouette.
Nastia has bad kips too. Actually every non-split kip Nastia does should get a deduction. Nastia's legs separate on every eagle giant she does. Nastia has those horrible bent legs. Nastia's dismount alone earns her a boatload of deductions. Also, Nastia's Tkachev is very low.
He kexin show so many moments where she has to use visible strength to pull her self up, those are deductions. She shoudl flow from one swing to the next.
Even if I think some chinese got medal they didn't (but REALLY) diserve like miss FEI on BB and VT, the chinese were way better than Nastia. better than the rest ? Idk, Tweddle and Semonova did great job. However the SV-whore-rule had reason of them since because you do difficult routine, you have a feet on the podium, whatever your execution.
Not to be like a hater or anything, like I understand you're a national gymnast and all and you can totally have your opinions on nastia, but to say she didn't even deserve the silver, and like start hating on everything she does on bars is just wrong. It's not like the judges favor her, and most of then have been judging for over 13 years(I checked) and so she totally deserved that silver ( and in my opinion the gold);)
a "very low angle" is being nice, she didn't even attempt a handstand after the pierouette on the low bar but meanwhile the commentator wants to talk about he kexin was not being completely vertical in her handstand which based the side in which the judges r sitting wouldn't even b able to see just like how they probably didn't see nastia's leg separations
It's obvious that NBC likes the Chinese too so they have some cover room when China beats USA. I'm sure in Rotterdam they'll randomly love the Russian's too.
out of the 6 judges, only 2 gave Nastia higher E score than He, but 4 out of 6 judges gave He a higher E score, so, it IS fair.All of Nastia's form break and leg separation was not even deducted here correctly, Nastia obviously "HIDED" her cowboyed double front dismount,if they did take the correct deduction, Nastia would best get the bronze or 4th place.
idk it so confusing i love nastia more but he kexin is great to honestly they both deserved it but its bull that it ended with a computer deciding the fate of the gold.
I think Yang Yilin was even better than these two that night. But nowadays noone can beat Kexin anymore with her 7.4 D-score under the new code! If Kexin hits her routine (which she usually always does these days) there won't be the question who'll be Bars champion 2010 at Worlds!^^
The chinese qualified 1st on every event final (apart from AA) with cheng Fei on Vt and Fx, Li Shanshan on BB and Yang Yilin on Ub. So I wouldn't say Ub was the only spot where they had the chance to win! If Li and cheng hadn't fallen they would've won on every event final!
@Gr33nkiwi I was bored and felt like stating an opinion. I'm not going to get bent out of shape and go into a deep rage like you are about it. It's not worth crying myself to sleep over I mean please, it happened over two years ago. Get over it and grow up.
Why are you telling me to get over it? I'm not the one complaining that Nastia didn't win ... you are.
Obviously I don't think she deserved the silver but all in all I'm happy with the results, and also, unlike you, I am actually educated in the sport of gymnastics. Not to mention your whole post was completely hypocritical to your first post ;)
@Gr33nkiwi If you read my comments carefully I was just stating my opinion like everyone else, NOT complaining. If it's anyone complaining and being a whiny rat, it's you. All you have been doing is blowing up at me when I didn't even ask for it. If you are SO educated in gymnastics, maybe you should be doing that instead of arguing over youtube. ;)
@Gr33nkiwi For horrible kips,you can watch every chinese girl,and look at Nastia,you will see who performs them better! I mean please,chinese ALWAYS catch in dead hang! For the dismount,Nastia performed a beautiful double layout in previous years,but because of her ankle injury she couldnt keep it,but if you ask this little girl about that,she wont be able to answer because only landings she did back then were from bars and vault! And btw,Nastia STUCK her dismount,you can say whatever you want!
Chinese girls certainly do horrible kips after their transfers, but at least their legs aren't flapping all over the place. Also, yes, Nastia stuck her dismount, too bad she automatically loses about 0.4-0.5 for the skill either way.
@Gr33nkiwi Well yeah,she has horrible form,but you have to understand,all those form breaks she has are because of her height! She is taller than anybody else on her team,maybe she was tallest at the olympics,she cowboys her legs because that speeds up the rotation. On the other side,chinese are tiny,and tiny girls,especially chinese,never have form breaks.
Nastia is 5'3 there are numerous gymnasts that are 5'3 or taller. (Well, she was 5'3 during this routine anyways.)
The fact that she was tall does NOTHING to explain for her separated legs during her kips, her separated legs during her eagle giants and pirouettes (not that she separates her legs when shes past the low bar on her way up, her low Tkachev. You can't use her height as an excuse for her horrible double front. She could have learned a 2.5 twisting dismount.
6:33. nastia looked soooo incredibly pissed that it was tied. he kexin kinda looked like she was enjoying it. haha. and nastias dad did too. lol. poor nastia though. she looked so mad.
I think the rule should be to drop the next highest not lowest score
MrLalol123 1 week ago
@MrLalol123 If the lowest score wasn't dropped, Kexin wins outright without going to the tie-breaker, so the result would be the same.
bikerOGX 1 week ago
@bikerOGX I'm talking about for the tie breaker they should drop the next highest. But never mind I think they should average all of the scores for a tie breaker
MrLalol123 1 week ago
@MrLalol123 They don't deal with highest or lowest scores in the tie-breaker. They deal with highest and lowest deductions.
bikerOGX 1 week ago
I think that this rule is unfair. I'm not saying that Nastia should have won bars, I'm not even sure if she should have won silver. I like her at BB, FX and AA and I like how often she sticks her landings but I don't like her UB. Generally I don't understand what's wrong with two gymnasts tie for gold, But if there's gonna be a tie break I'd really like it if the 2 gymnasts performed their routine again. It would be so exciting to watch
xrictinagymnastics 2 weeks ago
@xrictinagymnastics Sure, but any rule change needs to be made BEFORE a competition. Complaining about a rule only after you lost just seems kinda whiny and lame, especially since the tie-breaker rule has been in effect for over a decade before the Beijing Olympics. I mean, you could try and get the tie-breaker rule changed for 2012, but it doesn't affect Nastia one way or the other.
bikerOGX 2 weeks ago
@bikerOGX Yes of course. As I said I don't think that Nastia should have won this medal and to be honest I didn't know about this rule before 2008 (despite the fact that it was not a new rule) and that's why I didn't complain about it earlier. I'd like to see that rule change in the future but obviously this shouldn't and won't affect Nastia
xrictinagymnastics 2 weeks ago
@xrictinagymnastics Unless, of course, Nastia makes it back to the 2012 Olympics, ends up in UB finals, and somehow ties another gymnast again. This would open up the possibility of an ironic twist, where the old tie-breaker rule would have given Nastia the gold, but now with your new rule, she has to perform her routine again, falls, and ends up with silver. Some people might call your new rule unfair and ask why it was suddenly changed after 16 years.
bikerOGX 2 weeks ago
@bikerOGX ahahahaha that would be crazy. I don't think that this rule would be the most perfect or the most fair, it would just make the competition much more intense but no matter how fair a rule is there will always be people who disagree with it especially when it comes to their favourite gymnast. But I think that really there's nothing wrong with 2 gymnasts tie for gold in the Olympics, it would be much more simple
xrictinagymnastics 2 weeks ago
@xrictinagymnastics I would say it's simpler for the judges, but more complicated for the Olympic organizers, who must then prepare to provide enough medals for all sorts of possible crazy results: 2 gymnasts tie for gold, 2 gymnast tie for silver, 3 gymnasts tie for bronze, 2 teams tie for gold, etc. arrghh! And let's not forget there are hundreds of other sports in the Olympics besides gymnastics. I think that's why the tie-breaker rule was created in the first place.
bikerOGX 2 weeks ago
@bikerOGX I think that if 2 gymnasts tie for silver for example there's no bronze medal awarded but yes, you're right that it would complicate things
xrictinagymnastics 2 weeks ago
@xrictinagymnastics Also, if 2 gymnasts tie for silver or bronze, and we used your new tie-breaker rule, it would required them perform again. Instead of being more exciting, it would be kinda anti-climactic because the gold medal has already been decided. OR if 2 gymnasts tie for gold, if wouldn't feel right if they both then mess up on the tie-breaker and end up winning with a final score lower than the bronze medalist. OR what if the tie is in AA, repeat all 4 events?
bikerOGX 2 weeks ago
the camera angle for BBC showed was able to show more of nastia's form breaks. at this angle, you can't see it as well, but the BBC commentators kept mentioning form breaks on every one of her giants. i think the NBC commentators were extremely biased during these games, plus a controversial camera angle
speedofpee 1 month ago
Personally I wanted to see Beth Tweedle 1st (but unfortunatley that performance was not her best), and then He Kexin and Yang Yilin 2nd & 3rd. Nastia is amazing at bars but I just prefer releases and not pirouettes and that day she wasn't at her best. Nastia never was my favourite gymnast but it broke my heart to see her reaction when she realised she was second.
As about the olympic rules I never understood them? Why they don't count all the scores? wouldn't that be more simple?
xrictinaaa1 1 month ago
I belive this is extremely bias ! -The gold medal belongs to NASTIA LIUKIN !
StFrancoisofthelord 1 month ago
@StFrancoisofthelord And two of the Olympic judges agree with you. However, four of them didn't.
bikerOGX 1 month ago
@StFrancoisofthelord Nastia really didnt deserve it. She had multiple messy areas and i definetly think Kexin didnt deserve it either. i personally would have loved to see Yang Yilin win the gold because she was a lot better than Nastia. She is a good gymnast, not the greatest though. Her bars are extremely messy and she got overscored with her performances here and in the team final.
brycehelmer 1 month ago
Why the fudge did Nastia choose that dismount??
ladodgerschick 2 months ago
@ladodgerschick Cuz a "D" dismount was required at minimum. Nastia had big problems with her old double layout, so she switched to a double front, which she also had trouble with until she added the half twist to make it easier for her to land. Her form is terrible and she looks like a frog, but it's better than falling on her ass.
bikerOGX 1 month ago
Nastia's skills are soooo easy!!! Infact all put together will be very high difficulty but put them apart a level 10 could do it...... Sorry personal opinion
walktheroadtosuccess 2 months ago
I really don't care either way who won but it does seem an odd system for tie breaking because Nastia's execution scores after dropping the first set of high and low were all above 9 but He Kexin's were not.
ULibby 2 months ago
@ULibby Not True. Nastia only had one score above 9. Kexin had two scores above 9. And of the six judges, three scored Kexin higher, while only two score Nastia higher, and one had them tied.
bikerOGX 2 months ago
@bikerOGX After they drop the high and low they are tied. At this point Nastia's scores are all 9 or above. Hexin still has the 8.9. However I see what you are saying they did follow the tie breaker rules. They just need better rules. I really like Kexin she has a really dynamic routine.
ULibby 2 months ago
@ULibby Sure, but what you're not making clear is that He Kexin had more execution scores ABOVE 9, not just at 9. What would really be messed up and require a rule change is if somehow Nastia won...because MORE JUDGES SCORED HE KEXIN HIGHER THAN NASTIA.
bikerOGX 2 months ago
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you can't tie at the olympics....dumbest rule on planet earth
96horseluvr 2 months ago
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nastia mite have dun worst but remember she was 14 underaged she shouldn't have even been in that competition
vballgal242 3 months ago
Australia, Poland, New Zealand, South Africa, Brazil, Bulgaria???? None of these countries are qualified to judge gymnastics. They're gymnastics programs SUCK! Judges should come from countries like China, Japan, the USA, Romania, Russia, and even maybe Germany and Great Britain.
clwgirl510 3 months ago
@clwgirl510 There's no way being from a gymnastics powerhouse country is going to make you a better judge. What a stupid point.
bernardmvella 3 months ago
@bernardmvella Actually it is. Judges from powerhouse countries are more exposed to the sport. Just like the USA shouldn't be a judge for synchronized swimming or rythmic gymnastics. They're not exposed to it.
clwgirl510 3 months ago
@clwgirl510 Contrary. The last 15 years, we've seen the Australian program improve tremendously. Bulgaria was once a powerhouse back in the early 1980s, and the gymnasts at that time may very well be judges now. Brazil's program has improved tremendously in the last 10 years as well. Besides, if you have the powerhouses judging, chances are, that's why politics get into the picture. Here, none of these countries have anything to gain.
3Axel1996 3 months ago
@3Axel1996 I agree with you. Additionally if you're a judge from any of those countries, chances are your job revolves around gymnastics, likely coaching, organizing etc... All judges have to pass very strict tests to be certified. With the internet and TV nowaday's, being interested in gymnastics from a non-powerhouse isn't a problem in accessing related material to it... You don't have to be able to perform an amanar to see a deduction for piked hips or bent knees.
bernardmvella 3 months ago
@clwgirl510 they can't because they you have personal country bias going on. if there's a romanian athlete in the final, there can't be a romanian judge
96horseluvr 2 months ago
@96horseluvr I know that.... That's why we're left with judges who don't come from countries with popular gymnastics cultures. That's what's wrong with judging.
clwgirl510 2 months ago
@96horseluvr Also there's country bias anyways.... It doesn't change anything.
clwgirl510 2 months ago
@TotalChic347....and I find it VERY telling and VERY ironic that, this Chinese website wasn't easy to get to. The journalist had to search Cached pages to find it. And as he uncovered page after page of Official Government Documents, the Chinese went and yanked down every web page he discovered.
Now why, pray tell, would you do that unless you have something to hide?
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
Kexin He is better... way better!
loishota3 3 months ago 2
Liukin: 0.1 for Pak, 0.3 for dismount - form & step, 0.1 - 0.5 for transition back to High, 0.3 for leg separation from each backward swing during her connection series (she does 3) = 0.8 - 1.2
Kexin: 0.1 for dead hang first element, 0.1 dead hang after 2nd jaegar, 0.1 dead hang after laid-out jaegar, 0.1 for Pak, 0.3 for dead hang for transition, 0.1 - 0.5 not vertical = 0.8 - 1.2
LOL! I SWEAR, my breakdown was not planned. WAY too equal.
cheddarpretzels 3 months ago
"I have to say that I think they dropped the ball on this one". Why do you not surprise me???? He Kexin has a bad error in her dead hang which is probably made more obvious by her good swing through the rest of the routine. Nastia on the other hand has a lot of slightly bent legs, a couple of minor leg separations, a bad late turn and horrible form on her dismount. Punishing Nastia's poor form rewards gymnasts who do the extra work to make their routines beautiful as well as hard.
mfsx5ip2 3 months ago
How about, that Gold Medal rightly belonged to Nastia Liukin because He Kexin was only 14 in 2008? He Kexin never should have BEEN there to begin with.
A year ago, a Chinese gymnast slipped up and ADMITTED she was underage at the 2000 Sydney Olympics, and due to that admission, the Chinese were rightly STRIPPED of their team medal.
I can't WAIT for the day when He Kexin slips up and ADMITS she was only 14 in 2008.
*Waits Patiently*
ChavaAyanna 4 months ago
@ChavaAyanna Yeah, but Nastia was really 13 in 2008. Her birth certificate was issued from the U.S.S.R., so it's probably fake. Do I have proof? I have exactly as much proof as you do about He Kexin.
bikerOGX 4 months ago
@ChavaAyanna And speaking of the 2000 Sydney Olympics, that was the same Olympics where the U.S. got 6 medals stripped away for steroids cheating. I can't WAIT for the day when Nastia Liukin slips up and ADMITS she was only 13 in 2008 AND that her dad injected ANABOLIC STEROIDS into her BUTT like ROGER CLEMENS and LANCE ARMSTRONG.
bikerOGX 4 months ago
@ChavaAyanna keep waiting bitch cuz she was 16 at that time :)
alllitangio 4 months ago 3
@ChavaAyanna The IOC has examined the age of the Chinese gymnasts from 2008 and there was substantial evidence to prove them to be at least 16. Many people think that they are younger than 16 because of their physique, which is normal for them, they are born naturally shorter. They have not really undergone their puberty yet and if you see from previous years, many have had growth spurts. Unless you have substantial evidence to prove the IOC wrong, then everyone should leave this subject alone.
totalchic347 3 months ago
@totalchic347 The same thing happened in 2000 in Sydney. They were questioned at that time. AGAIN the "Powers That Be" were too much of a PUSSY to take the Chinese head on and they dropped the subject.....UNTIL one of the gymnasts "SLIPPED UP" last year and said "Yes in the year 2000 I was really only 14 years old".
The IOC has just RECENTLY STRIPPED ( thank God ) the Chinese gymnasts of their Team Bronze Medal in Sydney and given it to the Americans ( rightly so ). The chinese are liars
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
@ChavaAyanna Is there some personal vendetta that you have against the Chinese? Because you seem to be saying that all Chinese are liars based on what happened in Sydney.
Likewise, there is a chance that they did not lie, but people still remember Sydney which is why this controversy is still so huge 1 year from London.
totalchic347 3 months ago
@totalchic347 No, I just don't like "injustices" being done. Even an independent journalist, when he first smelled something fishy, searched on the "Official Chinese Arbitration Of Sport", which is the OFFICIAL COMMUNITY CHINA'S sporting website. All of the documents had Kexin's age as 12 in 2006 and 13 in 2007, which would have made her 14 in 2009.
As this journalist uncovered each document, the Chinese MYSTERIOUSLY yanked it down from the site as if to hide something. They were caught
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
@ChavaAyanna What do you suppose should be done with the team silver they won in 2007? They competed with Li Shanshan, Yang Yilin, Jiang Yuyuan, 3 of the gymnasts who were inspected in 2008...if they were underage in 2008, then shouldn't they be underage in 2007 too?
Many people forget that these gymnasts had previously competed, of course most people forget because the Chinese did not win gold like in 2008. The US won gold and if the Chinese were underage, the US would take the gold, right?
totalchic347 3 months ago
@totalchic347 At ANY time during ANY competition, if a gymnast is found to be underage, no matter how many years it takes, that "said individual or individuals" should be STRIPPED of their medal and banned from the sport for an unsaid amount of years.
I'm not sure where Team USA finished in the team competition. All I remember is this journalist took screen shots of the Official Communist China Arbitration Of Sport documents which listed He's age as 14 in 2008.. She should be stripped
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
@ChavaAyanna I feel like this is a subject that should be dropped for now and only reignited if it is revealed that they were underage or not..nothing said here will result in the stripping of the medals.
totalchic347 3 months ago
@totalchic347 It's all good hunney <3 I'm glad at least we can discuss this like adults. i've tried to talk to other people about this and all I got were people cussing at me and talking down to me like I was a 5yr old LOL.
So it was nice to have an intelligent discussion with somoene <3 even if nothing may be resolved ( for now )
ChavaAyanna 3 months ago
@ChavaAyanna Agreed. I've tried reasoning (just like with you) and all I get is "fuck off" "bitch" etc. It's hurtful somewhat, I mean, I'm trying to be composed and they are just cussing their heads off at me. I almost want to cuss back, but then I remember, that's not really going to help.
totalchic347 3 months ago
@ChavaAyanna Stop whining like a l'il 5 yr old bitch. The matter was resolved like freakin' 3 years ago. The U.S. lost. Suck it up.
bikerOGX 3 months ago
Ha-ha! Nasty mom - at 5:30! How worried!
DJKiara88 4 months ago
ya entendi jiji
lindiuxlinda 5 months ago
i DONT understand if both of them got 16,725 how the judges did to chooso a winner somebody explain it please in englis spanish whatevere
lindiuxlinda 5 months ago
@lindiuxlinda
Because He Kexin got 16.7258. Nastia got 16.7251. 16.7258 is a larger number than 16.7251.
bikerOGX 5 months ago
@lindiuxlinda The computer automatically determines the winner. He Kexin had higher execution scores than Nastia when they eliminated the lowest scores. 6 judges give them a score. They lowest and highest score are taken away and when this happened they were tied. The next lowest score was taken out, and He Kexin's avergae was a bit higher than Nastia's, so He Kexin won.
bernardmvella 4 months ago
@lindiuxlinda Because, for the Execution score there are 6 juges. Every juge scores the exercise individualy. Then every one of the 6 juges has a score. That make 6 different scores. Of this 6 diferent scores, the highest and lowest are taken away. Than, of the 4 remaining scores, they calculate the average. That gives a score. But since both had the same score with that, they took ANOTHER score away, the lowest one of the remaining and redid the average. That gives two different scores for both
pianistofbabylone 4 months ago
no entiendo si ambas obtuvieron 16.725 como hicieron para escoger una ganadora expliquen
lindiuxlinda 5 months ago
Nastia is going to get her gold medal 10 years later like Tasha Shwikert
HLNawesomeness 5 months ago
please don't hate on nastia, people! she's a human being, and she's really a great person! watch her as-a-young-kid and you'll regret what you said!!!
swymdolphyn 5 months ago
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swymdolphyn 5 months ago
People don't hate nastia as a person, all fair-minded gymnastics fans in the world. except some biased Americans, can see Liukin has many visible errors in her UB routine. Fair-minded fans in the world think that both Kexin and Yilin had better UB performance and they both should place ahead of Liukin. Liukin has been overscored on all 4 events for too long, just because that racist chair of FIG Grandi likes her and some judges from former Soviet Union helped her!
russiangymfan 5 months ago 3
How many Americans gave a shit when Leszek Blanik of Poland won a tiebreaker over France's Thomas Bouhail in men's vault at the Beijing Olympics? Yeah, that's what I thought. So STFU about the tie-breaker. Nastia lost, end of story.
bikerOGX 5 months ago 18
"why is everyone hating on nastia?!"
You should ask NBC commentators, u.s. media, coaches and American fans why they hate these lovely Chinese girls so much?! Why do they bash Chinese gymnasts all the time?! NBC and other u.s. media are the meanest and most biased media when they do any reporting on Chinese or other non-American gymnasts if these non-Americans win.
russiangymfan 5 months ago 3
@russiangymfan well, i was talking about the comments below not the media
soccer031233 5 months ago
omg, why is everyone hating on nastia?! like really, she's a human, not a robot. so what if she had a few MINOR errors, i'm pretty sure everyone did on every performance and no one was PERFECT i'm not an olympic judge or anything so i'm not going to sit here and complain that she should have won but i will say the tie breaking system is dumb. in my opinion, she should have won because that chinese girl had MAJOR errors but i'm not going to argue with anyone on here. nastia's an olympian the end
figgetmenot 6 months ago
Nastia's visible errors were only the little leg separations on her giants. Everyone is stupid for constantly repeating the cowboy dismount. Go watch double front, double arabian montages. Everyone, excluding Ivana Hong, does it looking like a "cowboy." Looks more like a frog to me. I'm American, I'm biased whatever. They both deserved gold.
cheddarpretzels 6 months ago
@cheddarpretzels Not everyone. For example, Yang Yilin, post back surgery, switched to a double front dismount on bars sometime in 2010. No cowboying. People talk about Nastia's cowboy/frog dismount because it WAS a major visible error, along with the missed handstand, incurring the most deductions.
bikerOGX 6 months ago
He Kexin had "more visible errors"? Bullshit...
sakuralooo 6 months ago
The IOC should really consider changing the tie-break criteria. They should take the person's scores from that event for the whole competition and choose a winner. That way the most consistent gymnist wins.
TheMchucker 6 months ago
@TheMchucker 2008 is over. Give it up. If you go ahead and change the tie-break criteria that's been in effect since '96, there's no guarantee for the next Olympics that another U.S. gymnast won't end up on the short end of the new criteria, when she would've won under the old. Then Americans will be whining about how unfair the new tie-breaker system is and asking what was wrong with the old.
bikerOGX 6 months ago
Everyone of kexins kips looked horrible and needed to use strength, she had a a dead hang, missed a few handstands and huge step on dismount to the side. It was a tie breaker, give them both gold! Also he kexin was said to be 14 in 2008 in a Chinese magazine.
gymnastagirl141009 6 months ago
Nastia Liukin had more problems than average viewers think. Read following:
Bad block on vault
Horribly messy and low bar dismount
Numerous leg separations on almost every bar skill
Frog-legged giants
Horribly cowboyed double front
Leg? crossing during twists
Her jumps are iffy (not her leaps, her jumps)
I mean, I'm happy she won Beijing, but still she has numerous messy areas.
Planetimage2 6 months ago 13
On bars,Liukin had late turn,leg separation all over,and EXCESSIVE bent legs.she cowboy her double front dimount,the judges never took the deduction that should be taken.Liukin also has little power and height on her vault.On beam,she connects skills with snail-speed to get less deduction.On 2007 worlds beam final, I'm very sure that she had a MAJOR wable and still won.On floor,Liukin always crosses her leg to make them look like scissors,each one should take 0.3 deduction,but NONE was taken.
Planetimage2 6 months ago
Even Though gymanstics is easier when you are younger, but beating by younger athletes is VERY shameful for the americans.Nastia Liukin had much more severe form problem than He Kexin.
Planetimage2 6 months ago 2
Komova is 16? She looks 13.
bikerOGX 6 months ago 2
Yang yilin<3
MultiLalalandmachine 7 months ago
Let's just all agree that neither Liukin or He deserved gold. Yang Yilin is the rightful gold medalist.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 7 months ago
did you know that her full and a half turn, when she grripped the high bar her body was so low nd the commentator didn't even mention that!
DakotaJane1994 7 months ago
Differences between He Kexin and Nastia Liukin
1. Nastia's transitions from the low bar to high bar are more powerful
2. Nastia is WAY taller
3. He Kexin deserved gold
:)
Stonymypony 8 months ago 2
On bars,Liukin had late turn,leg separation all over,and EXCESSIVE bent legs.she cowboy her double front dimount,the judges never took the deduction that should be taken.Liukin also has little power and height on her vault.On beam,she connects skills with snail-speed to get less deduction.On 2007 worlds beam final, I'm very sure that she had a MAJOR wable and still won.On floor,Liukin always crosses her leg to make them look like scissors,each one should take 0.3 deduction,but NONE was taken
Planetimage2 8 months ago
@Planetimage2 .3 deduction for crossed legs?!?!?!?! Are you kidding???? Mustafina has copter legs! Her form is awful and they sure don't take .3 for every tumbling pass! So .3 for every pass is ridiculous. Nastia's form wasn't that bad! Let's see how He Kexin does at 18....since she was 13 here, clearly. And what about He's form breaks and dead hangs? Not to mention that awful dismount. He did NOT deserve the medal over Nastia. YYL performed the best but was left with a bronze.
JohnPhilipSousa519 7 months ago
@Planetimage2 Scissor legs is only a .1 deduction...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 7 months ago
aww nastia was dissapointed...and confused she should just know that she rreally did come in first but they just cant give out 2 gold medals....and i love nastia but he deserved it
msms68 9 months ago
most of those chinese girls are like 3
jerseyguy41ife 9 months ago
He is more smaller than Nastia...."jumping' from the low bar to the high bar is a very long dstance for someone who's 4 feet 11' while Nastia is 5 feet 3' thats a big difference! So its not unusual that He has some deadhangs. and besides Nastia is older and has more experience....
CallieMulan 9 months ago
@CallieMulan While I thought He was a lot better than Liukin, He's deadhangs were not acceptable. Yes, she's 4'11'', but Viktoria Komova (4'8", recent growth spurt made her grow to 5'0") and many other Russians are a lot shorter and don't have this problem.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 7 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 Yes, I think your right...;) But He was only 16 at that time and NastIA 19. ( Some people even think He was younger).
CallieMulan 6 months ago
@CallieMulan Yes but Viktoria Komova just turned 16 and even in 2008, her shoots from the low to high didn't have dead hangs. Vika was 13 at the time. About the age I suspect He was.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 He indeed looks 13 but chinese always look younger :P
CallieMulan 6 months ago
@CallieMulan Not to me. Li Shanshan was clearly her age. Same with Cheng Fei.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago
@ShawnVikaKomova2012 Yes...I don't know, only He knows her real age.
CallieMulan 6 months ago
@CallieMulan Yup. Hopefully...
ShawnVikaKomova2012 6 months ago
He is more smaller than Nastia...."jumping' from the low bar to the high bar is a very long dstance for someone who's 4 feet 11' while Nastia is 5 feet 3' thats a big difference! So its not unusual that He has some deadhangs.
CallieMulan 9 months ago
Hate that NBC! Nastia had so much more errors and her errors were worse. Really ugly froggy dismount and that missed hand stand and that leg separation, all of that should have been corrected at practise!!!
DakotaJane1994 9 months ago 30
Yeah Nastia had more visible errors than He Kexin. But both of them did well.
DakotaJane1994 9 months ago 2
actually i see wat happened here. if u add up all the scores that the judges from each country gave he, its 54.3 but nastia's is 54.2
XxSportyMusicGirlxX 10 months ago
Honestly, Nastia should have won. All she had were cowboyed legs and for one thing- she STUCK her dismount! And He Kexin was amazing and had more things that would just WOW you but she had dead hangs and I could actually see more errors in He's routine than Nastia.
XxSportyMusicGirlxX 10 months ago
@XxSportyMusicGirlxX What about the leg seperations, the bent knees, she also fell on a pirouette, plus the froggy dismount?
Missnewyork28 9 months ago 12
i say next Olympics, a girl should just attempt a mens high bar routine and she will get a gold medal no matter how sloppy it looks.
kakumei77 10 months ago
@kakumei77 No.
daydreamer526 8 months ago
i was going to go into how good of athletes both ladies are etc. i shouldnt have to prove my point, it already should be known/understood. i kept ranting and eventually, youtube said "0 characters remaining." that's because no words can describe a gymnast's flirtation with perfection.
lilchickita408 10 months ago
URGGGH Nastia still should have won :(
I think Beth Tweddle should of medalled though :/
xGymCouture 10 months ago
I hate NBC commentators!
GymnasticsFan1144 10 months ago 2
I actually think Yang Yilin deserved gold, He Kexin Silver, and Nastia Bronze.
GymnasticsFan1144 10 months ago
son unas perras
piedradavid 11 months ago
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1. Yang Yilin 2. Nastia Liukin 3. He Kexin
Yang Yilin was perfect!
melkae1 1 year ago
Nastia took a step to salute the judges - she didn't step to the side or correct herself. She had a mistake on the pak salto and on the pirouette on the low bar. He Kexin was sideways on a pirouette, took a step on the dismount, and had dead hangs EVERYWHERE. People are entitled to their own opinions, but in my book Nastia is the best bar worker in the world. On the not-so-serious side of things, I was always saying He Kexin's name wrong! (:
houndscheer1996 1 year ago
@houndscheer1996 You're forgetting Nastia's crappy tkachev, bent knees before every release including dismount, and leg separations before healy, ono, and ono with half pirouette.
ShawnVikaKomova2012 11 months ago
@houndscheer1996
Nastia has bad kips too. Actually every non-split kip Nastia does should get a deduction. Nastia's legs separate on every eagle giant she does. Nastia has those horrible bent legs. Nastia's dismount alone earns her a boatload of deductions. Also, Nastia's Tkachev is very low.
Gr33nkiwi 11 months ago
I love nastia and he but personally I think yang yilin did better than both that day
102210heart 1 year ago
@102210heart Same here. Definately!
ShawnVikaKomova2012 11 months ago
I don't get why people think Nastia is so great...her form is horrible
unevercalled 1 year ago
He kexin show so many moments where she has to use visible strength to pull her self up, those are deductions. She shoudl flow from one swing to the next.
saqua608 1 year ago 2
Even if I think some chinese got medal they didn't (but REALLY) diserve like miss FEI on BB and VT, the chinese were way better than Nastia. better than the rest ? Idk, Tweddle and Semonova did great job. However the SV-whore-rule had reason of them since because you do difficult routine, you have a feet on the podium, whatever your execution.
Missnewyork28 1 year ago
@MyXLastXTango
Nastia has a lot of peruettes and combinationation skills...for example like a full and a half right into a ginger.
102210heart 1 year ago
Kexin should have a higher start value then Nastia, i didn't see anything in Nastia's routine...besides the dismount...that makes it work a 7.7
MyXLastXTango 1 year ago
NASTIA IS AMAZING, SHE DESERVED GOLD.
abercrombierox3 1 year ago
@gr33nkiwi
Not to be like a hater or anything, like I understand you're a national gymnast and all and you can totally have your opinions on nastia, but to say she didn't even deserve the silver, and like start hating on everything she does on bars is just wrong. It's not like the judges favor her, and most of then have been judging for over 13 years(I checked) and so she totally deserved that silver ( and in my opinion the gold);)
102210heart 1 year ago
not to mention nastia's landing was sloppy and super low
bo0tyful 1 year ago
a "very low angle" is being nice, she didn't even attempt a handstand after the pierouette on the low bar but meanwhile the commentator wants to talk about he kexin was not being completely vertical in her handstand which based the side in which the judges r sitting wouldn't even b able to see just like how they probably didn't see nastia's leg separations
bo0tyful 1 year ago
he kexin 9.025??????
gymstar6506 1 year ago
really, i think yilin should of won.
gymstar6506 1 year ago
@gymstar6506 I respect He Kexin but Yang Yilin was way better than any of those that day.
morenodelaorilla 1 year ago
It's obvious that NBC likes the Chinese too so they have some cover room when China beats USA. I'm sure in Rotterdam they'll randomly love the Russian's too.
KVHolland3 1 year ago
out of the 6 judges, only 2 gave Nastia higher E score than He, but 4 out of 6 judges gave He a higher E score, so, it IS fair.All of Nastia's form break and leg separation was not even deducted here correctly, Nastia obviously "HIDED" her cowboyed double front dismount,if they did take the correct deduction, Nastia would best get the bronze or 4th place.
PLANETIMAGE1 1 year ago 2
did you guys see how Nastia separated her legs and broke form?She also cowboyed her double front half twist dismount
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lindseylee77 1 year ago
@lindseylee77 No, there is a 0.3 deduction for what Nastia does on her dismount. And I've never seen anyone look like THAT on a dismount :/
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
wow this is soo stupid, but both of them did amaziing!
adla0nastia 1 year ago
6:17 A woman is screaming.
pinkmochaxx 1 year ago
idk it so confusing i love nastia more but he kexin is great to honestly they both deserved it but its bull that it ended with a computer deciding the fate of the gold.
TheJordy456 1 year ago
I think Yang Yilin was even better than these two that night. But nowadays noone can beat Kexin anymore with her 7.4 D-score under the new code! If Kexin hits her routine (which she usually always does these days) there won't be the question who'll be Bars champion 2010 at Worlds!^^
KarpfenKarpfen 1 year ago 2
@mrpatriot83
The chinese qualified 1st on every event final (apart from AA) with cheng Fei on Vt and Fx, Li Shanshan on BB and Yang Yilin on Ub. So I wouldn't say Ub was the only spot where they had the chance to win! If Li and cheng hadn't fallen they would've won on every event final!
KarpfenKarpfen 1 year ago
wow thats a stupid way of tying system.
harrypottersgymnast 1 year ago
I honestly thought Yang Yilin shouldv'e won because she has the same start value and she stuck her dimount and everything.
MrThomas2999 1 year ago 2
stupid stupid stupid......Nastia should've gotten that gold.
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27
Nastia should have gotten the gold?
Since when does horrible kips, bad formed giants, legs separations, frog legged dismounts, steps on the dismount equal a gold medal?
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi I'm just stating my opinion. From what I saw, Nastia's form and dismount was much cleaner. There should have been at least a tie breaker.
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27 NASTIAS FORM AND DISMOUNT WERE CLEANER?
This comment alone nullifies all your opinions. Nastias dismount alone was DISGUSTING. She was cowboyed, she was low chested, she took a major step.
Nastia splits her legs on every kip to handstand, she bends her legs on ever giant.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi oooooooookkk obsessed and a little unstable much?? Yes, very much so.
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27
I'm unstable because I'm telling the truth? Nastia's form on the UB is not good ... at all. She was so overscored.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi No because you are blowing up at me for something that really DOESN'T MATTER AND ALEADY HAPPENED.
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27
If it doesn't matter than why did you comment in the first place about Nastia deserving the gold. (She was lucky to get a silver.)
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi I was bored and felt like stating an opinion. I'm not going to get bent out of shape and go into a deep rage like you are about it. It's not worth crying myself to sleep over I mean please, it happened over two years ago. Get over it and grow up.
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27
Why are you telling me to get over it? I'm not the one complaining that Nastia didn't win ... you are.
Obviously I don't think she deserved the silver but all in all I'm happy with the results, and also, unlike you, I am actually educated in the sport of gymnastics. Not to mention your whole post was completely hypocritical to your first post ;)
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi If you read my comments carefully I was just stating my opinion like everyone else, NOT complaining. If it's anyone complaining and being a whiny rat, it's you. All you have been doing is blowing up at me when I didn't even ask for it. If you are SO educated in gymnastics, maybe you should be doing that instead of arguing over youtube. ;)
bbtalk27 1 year ago
@bbtalk27
You stated your opinion and I stated my opinion. (Which was more of a fact actually.)
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
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lindseylee77 1 year ago
@lindseylee77 Well, seeing as I'm a national level gymnast I think I go to the gym quite often.
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
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lindseylee77 1 year ago
@lindseylee77
Well, it IS true.
Also, seeing as I was ROOTING for Nastia to win 2012 I don't think I have a hatred towards her.
Its just that, unlike you I'm not a biased idiot who can't see the truth even if it stares her in the face.
YW
Gr33nkiwi 1 year ago
@Gr33nkiwi For horrible kips,you can watch every chinese girl,and look at Nastia,you will see who performs them better! I mean please,chinese ALWAYS catch in dead hang! For the dismount,Nastia performed a beautiful double layout in previous years,but because of her ankle injury she couldnt keep it,but if you ask this little girl about that,she wont be able to answer because only landings she did back then were from bars and vault! And btw,Nastia STUCK her dismount,you can say whatever you want!
markoth97 11 months ago
@markoth97
Chinese girls certainly do horrible kips after their transfers, but at least their legs aren't flapping all over the place. Also, yes, Nastia stuck her dismount, too bad she automatically loses about 0.4-0.5 for the skill either way.
Legs separated: 0.3
Low landing: 0.1
No height: 0.1
Gr33nkiwi 11 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Well yeah,she has horrible form,but you have to understand,all those form breaks she has are because of her height! She is taller than anybody else on her team,maybe she was tallest at the olympics,she cowboys her legs because that speeds up the rotation. On the other side,chinese are tiny,and tiny girls,especially chinese,never have form breaks.
markoth97 11 months ago
@markoth97
Nastia is 5'3 there are numerous gymnasts that are 5'3 or taller. (Well, she was 5'3 during this routine anyways.)
The fact that she was tall does NOTHING to explain for her separated legs during her kips, her separated legs during her eagle giants and pirouettes (not that she separates her legs when shes past the low bar on her way up, her low Tkachev. You can't use her height as an excuse for her horrible double front. She could have learned a 2.5 twisting dismount.
Gr33nkiwi 11 months ago
@Gr33nkiwi Okay,i will then admit that im wrong because i dont wanna make enemies! :D
markoth97 11 months ago
Does nastia ever smile?
amylily123 1 year ago
@mrpatriot83 sacramone had no chance on vault, she scored only 15 on most vaults, cheng fei could have scored over 16
morenodelaorilla 1 year ago
yang yilin has a much better routine than Nasty
66QQ66 2 years ago 9
@66QQ66 yeah, yang yilin reached perfection that night.
morenodelaorilla 1 year ago
he kexin, you are for me still the best on the uneven bars and now one can do it better than you
jfmotten 2 years ago 2
6:33. nastia looked soooo incredibly pissed that it was tied. he kexin kinda looked like she was enjoying it. haha. and nastias dad did too. lol. poor nastia though. she looked so mad.
hyl0428 2 years ago
5:28 nastia's mom is going crazy. lol.
hyl0428 2 years ago