3-Manze-Devil's Trill

[xoxemil]

Hi sir, can you send the score to my email? zymeth_0@yahoo.com thank you very much!!

[laviuslumens1696]

Thanks genmaximus110! I've enjoyed reading your intelligent responses to those who insist on 'THE score'; they miss the spirit of the Baroque age. I'd love Tartini's original score so that I, too, can join in the conversation among the fiddle players through time. My e-mail address is: bushees4@comcast.net. Please check me out on youtube as 'Lavius Lumens'. Cheers!!!!

[Pinguinul84]

Hello Sir! I want these magnificent score of one of the greatest sonatas written ever! My e-mail adresse is mihai_daniel55@yahoo.com. Thank you very much!

[Pinguinul84]

Hello Sir! I want these magnificent score of one of the greatest sonatas written ever! My e-mail adresse is mihai_daniel55@yahoo.com

[witness124]

I can just imagine Satan seething in Hell, saying 'SOME GUY TOOK MY SONG!'

[stomentendo]

Giuseppe, not Guiseppe, man

[takhirviolinest]

you made godo job, you paly so clean even if we don't speak about the trills. all units of trill coming in the cadenze of Kraisler, and short trill in the fast tempo, and as you said to constantly trill a note while also playing other notes,

Bravé

[VocaloidMixer]

I love this piece!

[Mnacuspia004]

Excellent. I´ve been looking for this recording for years, ´cause i nevver knew the name of the player.. but ther it is!! Im so grateful!!!

[Semas79]

Arrechisimo!!!

[GoFloridaState]

how do you pronounce manze's name? i have the same last name i was just curious if it had the same pronunciation

[esspeeuk]

@GoFloridaState

Just attended a SNO concert which he was conducting.  Manze sounds like the flower pansy.

[GoFloridaState]

@esspeeuk

Alright thanks. that's how mine is pronounced too

[laraineannebarker]

I like Manze and was actually surprised to find I own only three CDs in which he features. While I enjoyed this, I do feel (as someone else here comments) that there is too much reverberation. Manz sounds as though he's playing in a huge empty hall. Showy as the piece is, I'd still rather hear it in a more intimate acoustic.

[laketroutdeepdown]

Please acknowledge the man is playing solo; most arrangements have piano or another accompanying chordophone. To me, Manze outperforms all others by going at it alone. Think about this when you hear more famous violinists handle this piece.

[laraineannebarker]

You can keep the "more famous violinists". I prefer Manze, Huggett, et al.

[SakumaRyuichiNG]

i liked this 'version' i would rather Giuseppe's though -but it's a personal way so, it's irrelevant.-. In my personal opinion a very good interpretation which let me felt desperation just as the original piece.

Congratulations!

...if i had been able to study violin i would have liked to try it at least once in my life :]

[OktoberStorm]

Manze owns!

[pelumli]

me encanta

[ButtPoopWiggle]

Just a bit too much reverb for me, but the tone, volume, and... pristine qualities of this recording are great.

It's not my favorite, but to get to hear the violin with no accompaniment whatsoever is really a lot of fun.

[cybertek1]

The piece stays absolutely true with the baroque philosophies of extra ornamentation and improvisation. Manze masterfully creates a unique interpretation of a classic. That is what we must all realize when listening to such baroque music, it is simply an interpretation of a piece, and therefor, comparing it to another interpretation is pointless, as they are two different "songs"

[genmaximus110]

I just don't believe in that philosophy. These great composers do not need any help with writing music. If they did not intend people to play their music as they intended it, then they wouldn't have written it. A score is a score. You should play the score and not deviate from it. Who is the player to question what the master composer wrote?

[johnnylifelive]

that doesn't mean there's not considerable room for interpretation and ornament. Check out Bach's two different versions of the E-flat sinfonia and C Major invention. Which one is the "score?" If players simply played the notes, these pieces wouldn't live as they do. Also, Baroque music often lacks tempo indications or dynamics, so what then, should the player do?

[genmaximus110]

Well, as far as dynamics go, the composer simply called for more of the same instrument to come in to get it louder. As far as the solo instrument, I'm not sure. Heh.

[johnnylifelive]

point remains: improvisation is crucial to all sorts of aspects of the Baroque. Moreover, the amount of information contained in a Baroque score is remarkably lacking, compared to later music (think late Beethoven for example)--in a other words, a score ain't just a score; or: deciding what the score "means" is not necessarily straightforward.

[xenogar]

Improvisation is crucial, especially in solo works. Bach, one of the foremost Baroque composers often improvised and wrote the piece he created later.

[cathalcom]

this is a huge misunderstanding. composers before the 19th century never intended anyone to play their scores exactly as they were written - they were mostly (especially with solo pieces) frameworks for improvisation- just like jazz sheets. so playing exactly as the score reads is exactly questioning and deviating from the intentions of the composer.

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

although this is a very late reply we must consider history here... it was only in Beethoven's time that attitudes in written music changed from the Descriptive Baroque to the Prescriptive late Classical Period. I think there are accounts of Beethoven flaring up against musicians who "outmodedly" put trills and grace notes where he's not written them. Bach would have considered it blasphemy for one to think him as the "absolute creator" of his music. :-)

[bagkoum]

@genmaximus110 It seems that you really should go back and learn a bit of music history. The trace that is imprinted on the paper has different character for different historical periods. cybertec1 is right about the baroque philosophy. But not only in Baroque there was a level of decifring of the score (by the contemporary executors of that time) throughout music history and its manuscripts you can find compositors' musical insinuations for the execution (let alone different versions).

[bagkoum]

The expressionist music tried to establish a greater degree of contact between the composers intention and the semantics of the score. Sorry baddy yo can take your ideas to a Japanese machine child or sth similar.

[CountertenorJ]

@genmaximus110 Unlike the Easter Bunny or Santa, your belief is not necessary. A well-established and documented history of needing improvisation skills and its necessity for Baroque and even Classical artists is in nearly well-stocked music library.

[TreyRoque]

@genmaximus110

If you think it's all in the written notes, you are sadly mistaken.

[Jaydoggy531]

@genmaximus110

I highly recommend you research old music theory and history. There are numerous stories of performers of being booed away and shouted at for having boring interpretations of the composers' original music. It's meant to have ornaments added to it. It was a very big part of solo performing, be it instrumental or vocal.

[RG28581]

@genmaximus110 Hi. I think that what you might wish to consider is that the paradigm through which you are viewing the score is that of the early 21st century, when the gap between performers and composers has grown into a gaping chasm. In the Baroque they were on and the same. They wrote their music for themselves to play without thinking of posterity. And they undoubtedly would have improvised and ornamented on a whim just as any good jazz musician does today.

[RG28581]

@genmaximus110 Hi. I think that what you might wish to consider is that the paradigm through which you are viewing the score is that of the early 21st century, when the gap between performers and composers has grown into a gaping chasm. In the Baroque they were one and the same. Composers wrote their music for themselves to play without thinking of posterity. And they undoubtedly would have improvised and ornamented on a whim just as any good jazz musician does today.

[cathalcom]

@genmaximus110 what if the master assumed the player was going to include improvised ornamentation? there is every indication to suggest that's exactly what Bach expected of players.

[lolmanerik]

sooo bad

[thelightisahead]

Oo I have this recording. Manze also does fantastic renditions of the Handel and Corelli sonatas. And yes, vibrato has always been around, but as some have said, it was more ornamental in the Baroque period

[firebreathone]

where exactly can we hear the famous trill?

can someone give me the time

[genmaximus110]

1:39-2:03 That passage

3:28-3:45 That one as well

4:56-5:07 And that one

They're difficult because you have to constantly trill a note while also playing other notes. The fingerings are quite tricky.

There are also trills throughout the entire piece, especially in the quicker movement which I have labeled as part 2. They're short trills but they have to be trilled without effecting the measure count which can be difficult.

Kreisler's famous trill cadenza, Manze doesn't play here.

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

There's a vocal Manze-hater on amazon. com ... i wonder if he/she's already seen & commented on Manze's videos on youtube...

[bhauth]

If you aren't familiar with Andrew Manze, I suggest buying Portrait or The Grand Tour with the Academy of Ancient Music to start out with. Not both though, as there is some overlap.

[ritaviolin]

What's a pure intonation!

[genmaximus110]

No vibrato to cover imperfections, so he must simply rely on pure skill.

[jackeddemon]

vibrato was not invented when this piece was invented.

[genmaximus110]

I know. But not everyone chooses to follow that rule when playing such pieces. I was saying, though, that one who plays without vibrato must be that much better of a player to keep the intonation sounding nice, which Andrew Manze does.

[HARMONICO101]

Vibrato was invented when this piece was written! It used more as an ornament however.

[jackeddemon]

wow, finally someone that has a brain

[PeriodinstrumentfaN]

i agree with Harmonico101... vibrato, being an ornament during the Baroque period, was not over-used as one does today.

[isitvalottioryoung1]

Not true, my friend.

[isitvalottioryoung1]

I was responding to the person who was implying that vibrato was not "invented" contemporaneous to the piece. What in God's name are you talking about?

Anyway, looks like you guys all covered it pretty well...

[usafwings09]

@jackeddemon You are so wrong. Tartini himself wrote a letter to a friend insisting on the importance of the 'shake' to the violinist's skills.