I was born in the United States of America, my ancestor was an enslaved woman who worked the cotton fields in South Carolina. I recently discovered, through a DNA Test, that my maternal ancestor was from Melanesia.
I remember seeing a documentary about Polynesian slavery a few years back - it focused mainly on Tuvalu and Tokelau. Included interviews with some elderly people and others who had been told about it by their parents... Polynesia escaped he worst of slavery because by the late 1800's it was in the process of being made illegal by many European countries. That of course was small comfort to those kidnapped. It says something about Australia that it allowed or turned a blind eye to the practise.
You said 80,000 pacific islanders from samoa, niue, tuvalu, rarotonga and tokelau were kidnapped for blackbirding as slavery and that but you did not mention TONGA, how come ? were they scared of the tongans ?
I think so...Tongans are like the biggest of all Polynesians. Maybe that's why they were independent for so long and are still that way now (Although, Britain did have some control of its foreign affairs)
And recently an article about the Quain Branly Museum in Paris (below the Eiffel Tower) has revealed it used to have Human Zoos where indigenous people were kidnapped & placed in this museum for whites to see what other people from around the world looked like! Some were stripped naked.
Sorry, I'm sending this post from my phone so am unable to provide the URL for the article. Will come back with that.
"Before I let my children watch this".I once heard a woman ask if it woulkd be okay
if her 8 year old could read bout US baseball practicing segregation 70 years ago!
Though not serious an occurence as Blackbirding its amazing how some whites
want an issue clarified before they believe it.Any of those hollywood-history lies movies starring John Wayne & others are taken as truth by whites & those eager to be accepted by them.In 1 of those films a blonde-blue-eyed gal played a Pacific gal.
Nice history, but before I let my children watch this... can you please give your sources... I recognise a few pix of people who were exiled (unfairly of course) by the early foreign administrators in Samoa, but they were not kidnapped and put into slavery... this is very interesting but I would love to see your original sources as captions above or below the images... it's all good for me to go and tell everyone that there was slavery like that shown here but i'd hate to be belittled by someon
god is watching... pacific islanders... dont worry.. every crime will not gounpunishe.. maybe not in this life... its when they meet..the KING OF KINGS... god bless the pacific..
Thanks for sharing this. I had never heard about this before, and wondered why there were so many Pacific Islanders in Australia who weren't newer immigrants. I was afraid there was an ugly story.
peru enslaved the rapanui. Icluding te last writers of the rongrongo sript. Because of peru we will never know how to decipher these scripts or fully understand the rapanui.Damn peruvians!
@rb7magnetico My source is not actually available on the Internet. I usually don't depend on the Internet, but you can type in "blackbirding callao"and there are some sites that talk about the documentation of south american slavery of pacific islanders.
@thotsins FROM what I have researched on the polynesian slavery, it is nothing in comparison to to the musilim/negro, trans-atlantic slave or the slavic trade. It really was minor comapred to the millions, 18-20 million of islam trade, 10 million and slavic 1.5 million. The indigenous of the americas is another population that had high numbers in slavery.Polynesian to Peru were only about 1000.I did see some pictures of polynesians chained and bound in Chile/Peru a while back.Still good info
@rb7magnetico The transatlantic slave trade trades kidnapping people from CONTINENTS filled with MUCH greater populations, of course would yield greater numbers of slaves, but the islands are much smaller with smaller populations—of course there would be less slaves to kidnap.
However, the number of kidnappings IN RATIO to the island sizes & populations were significant & equal in magnitude to the other slave trades. Basically it had the same results on the population.
@rb7magnetico This is not even factoring in the fact of how much the population was wiped out by diseases. In some cases the island "indigenous" population went down to only 2%. So taking a thousand individuals from an island with a population of only a few thousand is greatly significant.
In many blackbirding cases, it population kidnapped was more than that.
Don't forget, African TRIBAL KINGS sold their subjects for GOLD
Blackbirds were an asset to a point, MANY slaves were CRIMINALS taken out of Dungeons and SOLD. Would a Criminal who is about to be hung or spend the rest of their lives in a Dungeon prefer to WALK as a Slave in NATURE?
That's what they don't want YOU TO KNOW, she forgot to mention that TINY FACT
Rothschild Illuminati a Zionist Talmud was ferver for free labor and profits. African Monarchy does exist in African Tribes, no difference
@Xquire In Africa our words for "SLAVE" mean "Worker," someone who can work, earn wages, or move up the ladder to prominent positions. It is not the same concept as "Slave" that was employed in the U.S. Westerners took advantage of this difference in our traditional understanding of what a slave is & often deceived us, often promising that our relatives would be returned soon as the work was done. In African mentality that is business, unaware of the brutal reality that was really happening.
@Xquire However for the MOST part, we did not sell our people into slavery. Most slaves were taken through RAIDS & KIDNAPPING. A lot of slaves sold into slavery from Africa were also captives of war who were already "Workers" amongst another tribe, working their way up to higher status before being absorbed into the tribe.
However, whether it was through selling of slaves from the tribes, or raiding of europeans, the brutal outcome for the captives taken of Africa & the pacific was the same.
OO YES African Chiefs DID sell Their Brothers and Sisters for Riches GREED has no barrier for many.
Why to people want to be Chiefs? Control
Many Slaves were murderers, thieves and rapists, AS Castro did they cleaned out their Dungeons of the
ill Repute. Let someone else feed them, they're doomed for life as a Criminal. Who wouldn't take the chance to walk out of Prison. Chain Gains is a preference over rotting in a stinky filthy Dungeon to many. Don't sugar coat reality
@Xquire Eh hem. Excuse me. I'm From Africa, hon. And I know the traditions that have been passed down about the slave trade and the mentality behind why certain tribesmembers were sold into slavery.
Don't make the mistake of thinking you know more about us, our cultures, and our experience than we do.
And for the MOST PART, WE? Were you around in 1400, 1500, 1600 100 AD? Egypt, Greece, Rome? Did you build the Pyramids ? How about the 18th Dynasty 1500-1200 ADE? Many slaves were captured enemies.
GREED has no barriers on the selfish POWERS of Chiefs to this day. Look at OBAMA Bam Bam he's creating a Slave State, He's sold out USA he's worse than NIXON Whom created Senators Governors Congressmen out of High TreasonTraitors as did Prescott Bush CHARGED WAR Criminal 1945 4 War Crimes
@Xquire Yes, my ancestors who were around during 1400-100AD have passed down the stories of their affairs in Egypt—And yes my ancestors built the pyramids which is why our african traditions trace us back to certain kings and chiefs from Egypt, which we often call "Msiri" in tradition, who made the sojourn of bringing us down into the African Interior when foreign invaders like the Assyrians came.
Yes Greed is often behind corruption, but in Africa it was not the sole cause behind slavery.
@Xquire I hate when people try to amplify "African chiefs sold their own into slavery" as if it ls dominant causative factor for slavery. MOST slaves taken captive were NOT by way of chiefs selling them. When chiefs did most of the time, it was cuz we were unaware of the TYPE of slavery westerners were really employing—since our concept of slavery is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from that used in the States, which I already explained in detail.
If this is true than why my parents never mention it.Growing up in Samoa everybody get along. I do'nt belive this , Only god knows . Watching bible story you see different color people you see white slave black slave and probley brown,yellow,red slave.Say that to say this to my knowledge my grandparents,parents and myself were never slave,Thank you very much....
@macdaddytamra well because the Europeans(whites) white washed many natives, also killing da natives. rapping dem & etc.sad to believe but true..like many think Jesus is a white man even though he is not,it says in the bible that he had feet of brass & wool of wolf..meaning he was like Tupac Amarus color...why? cus he was a hebrew from his mother Mary. Hebrews originally came from Ethiopia present day den tooken as slaves in Egypt. makes sense? I am a Pacific Islander! IM BLACK, BROWN &PROUD
@kingtriton09 you sit here and run your mouth like marshallese defends their island? well looks like yall came out short by letting the US contaminate ur bloods... all that atomic toxic is a curse top your people.. i wonder why you didnt defend your islands but let another country use your people as guinnea pigs..
its sad how polynesians and melanesians were kiddnapped not knowing how bad outsiders were--too open because my history in the Marshall Islands we killed every ships that is to show on our oceans--shipwrecked everywhere...because we protect our kind and no one will interfere with us--we are not of micronesians we are ourselves! much luve PACIFIKA malo 'eo ne!
Strange, I think I might look this up, I'd never ever heard of this either being a Samoan and reisiding in Oz. I would've thought there would be more Polyz here then there are today if this had happend, since we were brought here generations back as slaves. Thanks for posting anyway, very interesting.
Can any one tell me where Micronesians originated from?? There are some of us that are malynesians u can tell when u see them but some look Polynesians some look Asians n some look Mexican or Dominican or even European
Can anyone tell me where Micronesians originated from I know Palau is malynesian n Micronesian mixed what about Pohnpei, chuuk, Guam, marshall, nauru, kapingamrangi, nukuoro, kosrie, and yap islands cause the thing is we all speak differend languages please if u know something let me know bout our origins
you are wrong. just wrong about polys especially about Samoa, you're no diff to white claiming the same thing about asians and you've spoken of a khami tribe in zimbabwe, that you're related to but no where near the likeness nor anywhere near sound like your peoples. i assume that you claim Africa to be the home of the Garden of Eden, when clearly you dont know the biblical account of a preflood civilizations and land mass - where there were no blacks only after the flood through ham..LOL. get
I just bummed you out. your theories are bunk. you are nothing more than a parading fool with false information promoting black 'pride'. well not in Samoa. as ive said you are more enemy to us. you were always enemy - Fisi Kefe.
@llevijr You can't talk what you don't know. I've quoted no theories, these are just facts that exist, hon. You just sound like an idiot. I've already had these discussion with other ignorant fools who just babble like yourself, and they've failed. So please, just stop.
@llevijr You can't pick and choose which DNA results you want to listen to and then be bias to others. The bottom line is, all the DNA tests have given DIFFERENT results. Your little friend Oscar, IS JUST ONE SAMOAN. The DNA tests from oxford and cambridge were taken from HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of Polynesians, and they gave the results I stated.
@llevijr You just sound like a fool—you're just running scareD cuz you know if you face your true origins you're going to see you are not as samoan as you thought. You're more east asian now through the east asians who hijacked the culture through intermarriage.
YOU SHOW ME WHERE SAVAI'I/PULOTU THEN YOU CAN TALK. Otherwise, just hush. You just got bummed, hon.
@llevijr So I guess your supposed "orator" family must not be real samoans then—they must be the "eurasian" assimilators who hijacked the south pacific.
@llevijr You've had more then enough chances to prove our claims and you've produced crap that hasn't disproven anything. If you keep wasting my channel space, i'll just block you.
Here's a research project for you. Rather then testing Oscar's blood, have you seen the DNA results of the earliest DNA extracted from the first settlements of Samoa? They're DEFINITELY NOT EURASIAN. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go do some homework, then just go sit down, please.
So if you're going to claim you have no black in you—PLEASE STOP SPEAKING OUR LANGUAGES! There are A LOT more like this, and we'd like our words back please.
@prosaint3 how can you mention a fictional place like the tower of babel in a scientific discussion? You do realize that there is no proof the tower ever existed, much like there is no proof the hanging gardens of babylon ever existed.
Interestingly, archaeologists have uncovered in & around the ruins of ancient Babylon sites of several pyramid temple-towers, including the temple of Etemenanki within Babylon’s walls. Ancient records concerning such temples often contain the words, “Its top shall reach the heavens.” Archaeologist George Smith discovered a tablet relating the fall of Babel in these words: “The building of this temple offended the gods ...They scattered them abroad, and made strange their speech."
Various primitive tribes yield additional evidence through their folklore of this same account of Babel—although never having encountered the biblical account before ...
Choctaw:
"Many generations ago, man looked upward wondering what the heavens might be. So they brought many rocks and began building a mound that was to have touched the heavens ... the rocks were hurled down ... then they spoke various languages and could not understand one another."
"At one time all the ancestors lived in one place called Pawpaw and all shared a common language. Looking into heaven, they embarked on a project intended to bring them even closer heaven by building a great, tall house to reach the sky'. Now that got God worried. God's solution was to give people working on different levels of the house seperate languages."
"After a great flood, the sons of Rata, who survived, made an attempt to erect a building by which they could reach the sky and see the creator god. But the god in anger chased the builders away, broke down the building, and changed their language, so that they spoke divers tongues.
There was a man named Nuah, with his wife Gawboluen, and three sons Lo Han, Lo Shen and Jah-Hu who escaped a great flood in a ship After the flood people built a tower and their speech were broken up into six languages.
"When all men were of one language, some of them built a high tower, as if they would thereby ascend up to heaven, but the gods sent storms of wind and overthrew the tower, and gave every one his peculiar language, and for this reason it was that the city was called Babylon."
Now—the bible account (i.e. also written documentation):
"All the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words ... And they began to say: 'Come on! Let us make bricks ... Let us build ourselves a ... tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves. ... After that Jehovah said, 'Let us go down and confuse there language that they may not listen to one another's language.' ... they gradually left off building the city."
@thotsins please stop..LOL....FIJI BELONGS TO SAMOAN LAPITA PEOPLES. YOU BLACK BASTARDS ARE ON BORROWED TIME. GIVE BACK VANUATU, SOLOMON ISLANDS, FIJI. ALL OF MELANESIA BELONGS TO SAMOA LAPITA PEOPLE.
Hon, the Teouma DNA results from bones of the Earliest Lapita site found that their DNA NOT MATCH DNA OF MODERN POLYNESIANS—NOR HAVE ANY EAST ASIAN BLOOD IN THEM WHATSOEVER.
The proof is there, hon, from both thorough science and oral tradition. Modern Polys were melanesian with a later mix of east asian migrants. By the time Whites came, they were already mixed which resulted in the whites classifying them as a separate race—mistakenly.
@llevijr The more you talk, the more you make a fool of yourself. You have one more chance to say something factual, or get blocked, buddy, because you're wasting my space.
@llevijr "I just bummed you out. your theories are bunk."
Stop dreaming. Actually, rather, you've just babbled like an angry ranting fool who's stupid enough to get all excited about one MODERN dna test from ONE samoan, who you've been dumb enough to think can pass to represents the whole of polynesia, cancelling out all the other DNA tests of thousands of islanders.
If it's bunk, then disprove it. If you can, I'll happily accept....
@llevijr Hmm, I wonder why? Why would whites view islanders under the same terms as the rest of black people? LOL!
And racial slurs will automatically get you blocked, hon. If you can't speak in a civilized HUMAN manner, then you don't get to post. We mature intelligent responses, not responses of angry ranting savages.
@llevijr First off, I just wanted to clarify the cognates. Those words I posted are NOT from Madagascar. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
And what do you really know about our people in Madagascar? LOL! Do you really think you know more about my people than I do, without consulting us? I've consulted poly's, so I can speak on what they've told me traditionally (which doesn't match what you're saying. Let me give you a little history lesson on the origins of our people from Madagascar...
@llevijr Madagascar is a Francophone country incorporated into the French empire only as recent as 1896–1960. And the history given that you are quoting is just as recently created. It was COINED by the French FOREIGNERS, Alfred and Guillaume Grandidier, limited only to the Merina of the central highlands who were favored as a result of being mixed with asian and given economic domination in order to support French control over the region.
@llevijr The present history of madagascar coined by these two racist frenchmen is admitted to not be based off very extensive scientific or traditional evidence, but was the history passed by the foreign frenchmen to help them gain colonial domination over the island, and it is not shared traditionally.
So you seem to be so obsessed with quoting THEORIES (i.e. GUESSES) from racist whites—The same people who called you guys "Niggers, Monkeys" and enslaved your behinds. LOL!
@llevijr The REAL history of our people in Madagascar ( not the made up history devised by the French) goes this way. The asian influence was recent and foreign as a result of a back migration of Chinese for trade with Africa, and a settlement of Khmer in 1250 as a result of a Chinese expulsion. Around 1896 more foreign Chinese and Vietnamese arrived, going into petty businesses, intermarrying with the locals, and assimilating our culture there. (As asians always do.)
@llevijr This is who the MERINA peoples descend from, and they are the only history told in Madagascar. But when the asians arrived they found a population already living there. They were the VAZIMBA—Africans. And the rest of the tribes—the Sakalava, Antaimoro, Antaifasy Bara etc. etc. ALL THESE ARE NOT FROM ASIA—AND THEY ARE THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION and they have the same genes as Melanesians.
@llevijr Antaifasy, Antambaoaka, Antaisaka. Antaisaka, Antandroy etc.are all subgroups of Sakalava. You also have the Bara and Makua etc.
The origins are from ancestor Rahmynia, Simyaro, who soujourned to Madagascar from Mozambique, Ethiopia/Somalia etc. etc. They and the surrounding people are all related to a group of our people called the MAORI, who came from one of our ancient homes—SAVAE'I which was a Khami empire along the coast of East Africa. All of us Africans trace ties to there.
@llevijr So no, Madagascar is NOT YOUR ISLAND. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was settled by asian foreigners LATER who came and stole and assimilated our cultures and our peoples as they always do. This is why their genes, now represent the same mix as the south pacifc. Asians assimilated us, just as they did in Polynesia and the rest of the south pacific. LOL!
We know our people and history that has been passed down for generations, hon. Again, you've made a fool of yourself.
@llevijr So I told you I'd give you ONE more chance to try to prove your claims and, again, you've made a fool of yourself trying to tell Me where our peoples came from without consulting us. LOL!
I've fairly given you more then enough chances, and you've produced crap. This was your last chance—and you blew it—so, sorry, you get blocked, hon. Now, you're wasting my channel space, and my time. Take care "sweetie."
@llevijr Most poly's I've spoken with have not been this crazy about the subject as you. This is the craziest samoan I've ever met. LOL!!!!!!!!!
You've just embarrassed your whole community.
Thankfully, they're not all like you. Just goes to show there are nice/intelligent people and stupid people in all cultures. So I'm not going to count this against the whole community—it's just you. LOL!
The thing about African people, is that we are fair people. We are fair to tell ALL the origins of a history whether it be Kami, or Mongoloid, or European etc.
But people like you, IIevijr, are not only delusional and dishonest, but also in denial.
@llevijr Thought I might add, there is a degree of racist division between the Merina and the Kami populations in Madagascar because of colonial exploitation,and the Merina have adopted the tale created by the French, unfortunately.
And by the way, if you've been thinking those images of our people on my channel are from our island of Madagascar—just to clarify, NONE OF THEM ARE. Most are from the mainland and our other islands. LOL!
@llevijr All you quoted was western theories. I really don't know what kind of spell FOREIGN westerners have on people that gets them to submit to their recently made up theories like naive servants. They're late comers who had nothing to do with our histories. How can they just come and impose THEIR THEORIES. Theories are guesses based off their partial evidence interpreted to THEIR INTERPRETATION. LOL!
You're suppose to present THOROUGH FACTS—and the facts will speak for themselves. LOL!
heres the documentary note: ''In Samoa, Oscar who is expecting the envelope to confirm his Polynesian roots is shocked to discover that his paternal lineage goes back to Central and South Eurasia. This discovery suggests Asian ancestry as his modern day descendants are found in the Middle East and the Himalayas.'' KEFE.
@llevijr Testing the DNA of polys TODAY is of no use, hon, as the population is HEAVILY assimilated. As a result, the dna of different polys are going to give different results. My samoan associate tested her dna and found African haplogroups.
Other dna tests from oxford have shown maternal and paternal lineage as being 65% melanesian with the remaining being east asian. So modern dna tests don't indicate where they came from, just who they've assimilated with. Sorry.
@llevijr The bottom line is poly's trace their origins to Savai'i/Hawaiki/Pulotu.
These places are NOT anywhere in asia. Savai'i is a Khami homeland, also shared and mentioned by African people. The people of this paradise were mariners and controlled the ports of trade between southeast asia and east africa. Pulotu also has nothing to do with asia.
To the person that posted this video... Actually, this truth isn't the same for EVERYONE'S history... People of color have had their history stripped from them, a history that is rarely taught or even mentioned in school. We start learning European history in preschool. Great video though.
AND WHEN SAVAI'I GOT OVER POPULATED SOME WENT BACK TO MAUI (HAWAI'I) AND LATER WENT INTO A POLITICAL WAR WHICH LED TO THE RULE OF ONE NATION... INSTEAD OF THEM CALLING IS SAVAI'I, THEY WANTED TO LET GO OF THE PAST AND CALL THERE NEW FORM NAME HAWAI'I WHICH IS PERNOUNCED AS "HAVAI'I" AFTER SAVAI'I...
THE PEOPLE BACK ON THE SAVAI'I ISLAND GOT NEWS OFTHE NEW NAME AND THEY CALLED THERE NEW FORM NAME "SAMOA" MEANING THE CENTER OF......
from my understanding and research when i was at portland state, is all pacific islanders came from the american continents... between central and south america region.... they started populated the marquesas islands... as the continue to grow more populations went north and west... thats how we got hawai'i... they were known as the Maui people... as they continue to populated... they too migrated west and founded samoa but they called thereself SAVAI'I
I would like to point out that white people where putting up with slavery many 100's of years before the polynesians. The britons were invaded by rome and enslaved. As were the Gauls. The germans could not be conquered, but many were enslaved. It was brutal times for all races. You are right thotsins slavery is one of the worst attrocities the human race committed.
@youbriggs So happy you pointed that out. That is SO true. Not too many people know that black peoples of the earth were not the only ones enslaved. Almost everybody in the whole world was enslaved at some point in time.
@thotsins All powered by human greed. if only we didn't have greed, imagine all the culture's that could have grown and would still be here today. It is very good of you thotsins to not let these attrocities be forgotten, so they are not repeated
@youbriggs did u know also that Blacks once ruled western parts like UK - Spain, Russia, Germany etc etc - if you research the Moniq - with Queen Elizabeth. u will see in beginning of there Tree, it was a Black man that rule - Just like spain - also most of Asia, were ruled by Black people as well - they dont teach this in schools, and there is a reason. and its all to do with Bible Prophecy's - Example King James, was shown as a whiteman, but facts show he was actually a man of colour.
Does anyone know where Polynsians come from = before we came to the South Pacific = i know we came from the East = Malaysia has Polynesians there as well = but i know that isnt our Origin = the Malaysians Polynesians before being invaded by Asians = advise they travelled to that land as well ?? but dont know where
@vaea46 The best thing is to do the excavations, tests, interviews of indigenous people, and research that the scientists are doing YOURSELF. it's proven more reliable then just being gullible into accepting the theories (aka guesses) that the western educational and scientific institutions try to shove down everyone's throats. They have not been accurate, honest, nor have they showcased all the evidence out there that exists.
@vaea46 I have been using this technique for years and it's proven successful in finding out the info scientists allow us to see and the stuff they cover up cuz the industry is corrupt. If you can't do the excavations & researching, at least obtain ALL the official reports from the ALL the excavations/tests carried out—both from prominent and non-prominent organizations.
@vaea46 Also, don't get caught up in only choosing to look up data from the so called "credible" organizations, cuz "credible" in political terms just means the government PREFERS your theory, and financially backs your theory, even if it's untrue—not that you are actually accurate. So look up all the results from everybody cuz they all contain pertinent info that complete the puzzle.
@vaea46 To figure out what the data indicates—and to avoid formulating THEORIES to ensure the conclusion is not a theory but factual—what I do is analyze the data based on the traditional facts the people themselves have about their origins. I let the PEOPLE interpret the data based off their traditions and genealogies. This helps avoid the data being filtered through the human filtration of personal biases and prejudices—and usually it's ALWAYS accurate.
@vaea46 From my research, i've found that Polys today have origins in at least 3 peoples and possible 4. But primarily from my research, polynesians are a mix between Melanesians and East asians. Melanesians are "Savai" peoples from a place called "Savai'i." They migrated to indonesia in more than 1 migration. During one of the migrations, some of them began taking east asian wives at various times & their offspring became Polynesians. Savai'i, however is NOT in Asia, but further west.
@llevijr Taiwan is not Savai'i. Savaii is further west. from southeast asia. All the indigenous populations say point savai'i to the west. Taiwan aborigines were populated from indonesian aborigines, later to be wiped out through assimilation mostly by Hans. Tawainese aborigines of today are not the same as they originally were.
Chinese and related groups come through an ancestor named Gomay, a relative of europeans. Savai'i was through a Khami ancestor.
@thotsins dude i watched a documentary of origins of Polynesia in New Zealand. They tested blood DNA of a Samoan and traced it to the Aboriginal Taiwanese people 5000 years ago.
@llevijr Great, and I have the actual report from Oxford University of polynesian DNA. And it reflected Melanesian (paternal), east asian (maternal)
BTY you can't test the dna of polynesians TODAY because they've become assimilated by east asians/europeans. If you want an accurate result, you have to do numerous tests on the earliest bones in the ground. Because islanders of TODAY are not the same exactly as when they first settled.
the blackbirders took all but the very old and very young, after the slavetraders left the missionaries moved in and beat the children into submission if they did not do as they were told. spare the rod and spoil the child was never part of polynesian history until the bible came.
"spare the rod and spoil the child was never part of polynesian history until the bible came. "
You mean until the missionaries came. I've read and researched a number of the holy books—including the bible extensively—and never saw anywhere in it where it condones or encourages what the missionaries were teaching.
If you were saying all this in response to the genealogies you saw me list for Vaea46, I'd like you to know that those genealogies were NOT TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE—They were taken from the TRADITIONAL GENEALOGIES of TRIBAL PEOPLES THEMSELVES.
As you notice, those tribes unknowingly mention ancestors who are also mentioned in the bible—despite the fact they've never read the bible.
polynesian ancestors were moving towards the pacific many thousands of years ago, genealogically the bible shows the age of the earth at around 4,000 years ago so how do we find bones carbon dated to 5,000 years in lapita culture? did god arrange it like this so as to fool us into thinking the earth was older than 4,000 years? how do we date dinosaur bones to 320 million years ago? how do we date hominid bones to 1 million years ago? is god deliberately tricking our inquisitive scientific minds?
genealogically the bible shows the age of the earth at around 4,000 years ago
The bible does NOT reveal genealogy of the EARTH cuz you cant date the EARTH genealogically. Genealogy refers to the study of calculating HUMAN existence—not how long the EARTH existed, cuz it is not human nor produces offspring. The assumption of the earths age as old as human genealogy was an INCORRECT ASSUMPTION originating with the CATHOLIC CHURCH—NOT THE BIBLE.
... And this CLAIM of the church was that the bible dated the earth to 6,000 years, not 4,000. This belief was based off a FLAWED INTERPRETATION of the Genesis account, namely that the earth was created in six LITERAL 24-HOUR days, with humans being created on the 6th 24-HOUR day. And since human genealogies the globe over date to about 6,000 years, CATHOLICS ASSUMED the earth must then be 6,000 years old.
In REALITY, the BIBLE ITSELF does NOT date the EARTH at 6,000 years old. If you notice in Genesis, it says the creation of literal 24-hour days by the rotational motions of the sun and moon were created on the 4RTH DAY. How can a literal 24-hour day be created within a 24-hour day? How can a day be created in a day?
In Genesis when its saying the earth was created in days, its speaking according to CREATIVE DAYS—not literal 24-HOUR days—and these were LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
... Its just like when people say expressions today such as "Back in the old DAY," referring to a PERIOD OF TIME, instead of a literal day. As a matter of fact, I just did it just now when I said, "today" in the previous sentence, referring to this TIME PERIOD we live in, not the literal 24 hour day that I'm posting this message. So the word "day" does not always mean 24 hours.
CREATIVE DAYS were LONG PERIODS OF TIME— up to millions of years—which makes science precisely in AGREEMENT with the biblical documentation of how old the earth is.
What ALWAYS accounts for the seeming conflicting ideas between the bible and science is always due to PEOPLE misinterpreting both scientific data and the bible. If they are both understood ACCURATELY, youd see they actually AGREE with each other.
Question 2) how do we find bones carbon dated to 5,000 years in lapita culture? how do we date dinosaur bones to 320 million years ago? how do we date hominid bones to 1 million years ago?
The scientific journal reported that dating methodology, such as radiocarbon dating, may be off by magnitudes of time. The conference of world experts held in Uppsala, Sweden in 1976, consisting of the worlds so called experts in radiochemistry, archaeology, geology, etc. ..
... admitted that the measurement systems of dating were untrustworthy because they do not take into consideration periods of atmospheric change which alter the rate of decay measured by carbon-dating. And since the rate of radioactive carbon formation in the atmosphere has not been consistent in the past, that carbon dating methods are not reliable for dating objects prior to 2,000 B.C.E. I have no reports that this admittance has ever been withdrawn.
As far as hominids, Chimps still exist, humans exist—but where are the transitional hominids that are alleged to be in between us? And theres no ABUNDANCE of their fossils available (just a few alleged to represent them here and there) whereby their should be an abundance of them being that they are claimed to have existed, living and dying, supposedly for millions of years? You find more mammoth bones then any hominid transitional forms in between chimps and humans.
QUESTION 3) did god arrange it like this so as to fool us into thinking the earth was older than 4,000 years? is god deliberately tricking our inquisitive scientific minds?
No—its HUMANS who are doing this. You cant blame God for humans falsifying the meanings of material substances on earth and holy books to dupe people any more than you can blame a person who builds planes for someone who chooses to use it to fly into a building.
Its people who are unknowingly or knowingly falsifying data. And since people just gullibly believe and chug down theyre told dictated by the so called experts—instead of RESEARCHING and VERIFY info for themselves—they get duped into believing all this propaganda. The so called experts are only labeled experts cuz they have the financial backing so thus are giving the authority over the fields as part of prominent institutions—not cuz theyre actually correct.
You are right when you say "Polynesian ancestors were moving to the pacific thousands of years ago." Island traditional genealogies so far document the settlement about 3,000 years. The names mentioned as the homelands existed about 3,000 years ago. In some island accounts they mention during the voyage , a writing system existing, and since? writing is only about 7,000 old, this means the voyage took place within that time frame. So you are very right!
@toamaori just a theory,the bible can not be taken literal,metaphors and allusions are the main literary techniques that make up the bible,the bible showing the age of the earth at around 4000 years could posibly be alluding to the rise of the homo sapien sapiens,the descrition of the creation of the earth in genesis could also jus be a metaphor for the enlightenment God has granted upon our ancestors,this is just my look on things please feel free to comment,im interested in ur thoughts as well
@808beachbound It's easy to determine which aspects of the bible are literal vs symbolic by considering the contexts and allowing the different verses to interpret themselves by comparing verses that all speak on the same topic. It's already been clarified here that the bible does not date the earth at 4,000 years old. And the genesis account can't be metaphoric cuz there are extensive genealogies listed showing single father to son relationships.
Noah had 3 children - Shem - Ham and Jephetic - we come from the line of Jephetic - polynesians were the first in Europe - then we scattern the Isle (islands) - history anthropoligist trying to trick us to say we came from Taiwan - yes we do have polynesian in those areas of asia, but we travelled there from europe -to Hawaii - then the south Pacific - the Bible talks about it.
EX 1: Traditional ancestral genealogies of Asians:
Japan, China, etc=Seageweng, son of Gangen Newang, son of Jenku Dawvu ... son of Gomer, son of JAHPHET.
EX 2: Traditional genealogies of Europeans: Armenians= Togomar, son of JAPHETH; Greeks=Ionians, son of JAPHETH; Spaniards/Latins= Tarsisi/Tartessus, son of Yawan ... son of JAPHETH.
Japheth is the ancestor mentioned in the traditions of White Europeans, and the Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.
@vaea46 So Japheth is the line that produced Europeans, Chinese tribes, Japanese, Korean, Gomerian Filipinos and southeast Asians, Native Siberian, Most Native Americans; this is why genetically they are considered now by the scientific industry as not that different from each other. It also explains the close relationship between Gomerian Asians and Europeans—they are of the same immediate family line.
Pacific islanders do not have Japheth TRADITIONAL origins. Except now at present they have GENETIC blood that traces to his line as a result of mixing extensively with East Asians (a considerable degree occurring during the migration to be followed with assimilation from modern tourism), and Europeans (from colonialism/tourism), which is why TODAY the genetic studies now show some east asian/european origins.
The maternal side is east asian/melanesian, the paternal side is melanesian.
@vaea46 And you are very right about the Taiwan theory. I had friend who'd been studying in Taiwan over a decade, and he said taiwan was settled by islanders from Indonesia but were assimilated practically to extinction by chinese tribes, with barely none left.
And you're right about the bible too, it's maintained a flawless record of historical accuracy. You'll find the genealogies it lists, if you spend time with tribes of the earth, they mention the EXACT same genealogy in the EXACT order.
I didn't know that ploynesians were brought to Australia as slaves I always thought it was primarily Melanesian people from Vanuatu, The Loyalty Islands and the Solomon Islands that were blackbirded
I always thought is was primarily Melanesian people from Vanuatu, The Loyalty Islands and the Solomon Islands that were blackbirded to Australia not polynesians
yea. very sad. this history clip is from the Kilakokonut Krew DVD that was done in 2004 I think. there are other history and entertainment clips of pacific islands on that DVD.
70yrs 80,000 islanders enslaved it might be so but it has had know effect on are culture are identity like it has the blacks taken to the Americas and the carribean matter a fact this isn't even part of are history.
Slavery affects the enslaved and the descendants of the enslaved in the lands they are TAKEN TO. So of course pacific islanders in the islands were not affected by a cultural deprivation; however, the enslaved pacific islanders who were taken as slaves were severely impacted in australia and the other places they were taken, as well as were their descendants.
Unfortunately, even though the pacific islander cultural identity in the mainland islands was not affected by the slavery, it would unfortunately be left to be severely affected and impacted by western missionaries, and its peoples also depleted and almost wiped out by disease. So there is still a degree of lost cultural identity. The west has unfortunately messed up the whole world.
But fortunately pacific islanders still retain a degree of culture for the enslaved ones abroad to come back to just as Africans still retain the culture for black americans to return to whenever they want.
Also, in the caribbean and south america, the african traditions were allowed to be retained.
The only place where the culture was attempted to be taken away completely was in NORTH AMERICA. Even still, Black Americans still managed to retain MUCH of their African traditions. The only problem is sometimes they don't know it.
It has everything to do with our history. There blood runs through us. One ppl's experience does not outweigh anothers. Our ancestors were all affected by this brutality and so were their children.
Any with sense knows that the Africans of the dispora were the most oppressed people throughout history.
psychodellicFaubio 5 days ago
I was born in the United States of America, my ancestor was an enslaved woman who worked the cotton fields in South Carolina. I recently discovered, through a DNA Test, that my maternal ancestor was from Melanesia.
motowninvestor 1 month ago
@motowninvestor come bk home brother
MyBLOODMYPEOPLE 1 month ago
@motowninvestor which island?
bimmy098 2 weeks ago
I remember seeing a documentary about Polynesian slavery a few years back - it focused mainly on Tuvalu and Tokelau. Included interviews with some elderly people and others who had been told about it by their parents... Polynesia escaped he worst of slavery because by the late 1800's it was in the process of being made illegal by many European countries. That of course was small comfort to those kidnapped. It says something about Australia that it allowed or turned a blind eye to the practise.
DenEColt 2 months ago
You said 80,000 pacific islanders from samoa, niue, tuvalu, rarotonga and tokelau were kidnapped for blackbirding as slavery and that but you did not mention TONGA, how come ? were they scared of the tongans ?
SamuelaMesui 2 months ago
@SamuelaMesui
I think so...Tongans are like the biggest of all Polynesians. Maybe that's why they were independent for so long and are still that way now (Although, Britain did have some control of its foreign affairs)
Matdogg2k 2 months ago
And recently an article about the Quain Branly Museum in Paris (below the Eiffel Tower) has revealed it used to have Human Zoos where indigenous people were kidnapped & placed in this museum for whites to see what other people from around the world looked like! Some were stripped naked.
Sorry, I'm sending this post from my phone so am unable to provide the URL for the article. Will come back with that.
Paatuki 2 months ago
"Before I let my children watch this".I once heard a woman ask if it woulkd be okay
if her 8 year old could read bout US baseball practicing segregation 70 years ago!
Though not serious an occurence as Blackbirding its amazing how some whites
want an issue clarified before they believe it.Any of those hollywood-history lies movies starring John Wayne & others are taken as truth by whites & those eager to be accepted by them.In 1 of those films a blonde-blue-eyed gal played a Pacific gal.
tehutimes1 3 months ago
Nice history, but before I let my children watch this... can you please give your sources... I recognise a few pix of people who were exiled (unfairly of course) by the early foreign administrators in Samoa, but they were not kidnapped and put into slavery... this is very interesting but I would love to see your original sources as captions above or below the images... it's all good for me to go and tell everyone that there was slavery like that shown here but i'd hate to be belittled by someon
Majosh2000 4 months ago
This should be made as a commercial too and shown throughout Melanesia and whole of Oceania....sad,sad,sad to see this.
22871987 4 months ago
god is watching... pacific islanders... dont worry.. every crime will not gounpunishe.. maybe not in this life... its when they meet..the KING OF KINGS... god bless the pacific..
kokonut811 5 months ago
Mmore more more! im proudo f our culture and im very interested in Our History!! :)
LaNiBabbii 5 months ago
Thanks for sharing this. I had never heard about this before, and wondered why there were so many Pacific Islanders in Australia who weren't newer immigrants. I was afraid there was an ugly story.
ThePurpleSeahorse 5 months ago
peru enslaved the rapanui. Icluding te last writers of the rongrongo sript. Because of peru we will never know how to decipher these scripts or fully understand the rapanui.Damn peruvians!
fusionxx1000 6 months ago
I noticed they didn't say Tonga....Tonga's been going strong for centuries!
Matdogg2k 6 months ago
Eo!!
Poi4You 6 months ago
what a powerful vid!!! thanxs for doin it!
aabrilamor 6 months ago
Where in south america were the pacific islanders used as slaves or kept as slaves?
rb7magnetico 6 months ago
@rb7magnetico Callao
thotsins 6 months ago
@thotsins can you provide a resource on islanders as slaves in peru?
rb7magnetico 6 months ago
@rb7magnetico My source is not actually available on the Internet. I usually don't depend on the Internet, but you can type in "blackbirding callao"and there are some sites that talk about the documentation of south american slavery of pacific islanders.
thotsins 6 months ago
@thotsins FROM what I have researched on the polynesian slavery, it is nothing in comparison to to the musilim/negro, trans-atlantic slave or the slavic trade. It really was minor comapred to the millions, 18-20 million of islam trade, 10 million and slavic 1.5 million. The indigenous of the americas is another population that had high numbers in slavery.Polynesian to Peru were only about 1000.I did see some pictures of polynesians chained and bound in Chile/Peru a while back.Still good info
rb7magnetico 6 months ago
@rb7magnetico The transatlantic slave trade trades kidnapping people from CONTINENTS filled with MUCH greater populations, of course would yield greater numbers of slaves, but the islands are much smaller with smaller populations—of course there would be less slaves to kidnap.
However, the number of kidnappings IN RATIO to the island sizes & populations were significant & equal in magnitude to the other slave trades. Basically it had the same results on the population.
thotsins 6 months ago 4
@rb7magnetico This is not even factoring in the fact of how much the population was wiped out by diseases. In some cases the island "indigenous" population went down to only 2%. So taking a thousand individuals from an island with a population of only a few thousand is greatly significant.
In many blackbirding cases, it population kidnapped was more than that.
thotsins 6 months ago
Don't forget, African TRIBAL KINGS sold their subjects for GOLD
Blackbirds were an asset to a point, MANY slaves were CRIMINALS taken out of Dungeons and SOLD. Would a Criminal who is about to be hung or spend the rest of their lives in a Dungeon prefer to WALK as a Slave in NATURE?
That's what they don't want YOU TO KNOW, she forgot to mention that TINY FACT
Rothschild Illuminati a Zionist Talmud was ferver for free labor and profits. African Monarchy does exist in African Tribes, no difference
Xquire 7 months ago
@Xquire In Africa our words for "SLAVE" mean "Worker," someone who can work, earn wages, or move up the ladder to prominent positions. It is not the same concept as "Slave" that was employed in the U.S. Westerners took advantage of this difference in our traditional understanding of what a slave is & often deceived us, often promising that our relatives would be returned soon as the work was done. In African mentality that is business, unaware of the brutal reality that was really happening.
thotsins 7 months ago 2
@Xquire However for the MOST part, we did not sell our people into slavery. Most slaves were taken through RAIDS & KIDNAPPING. A lot of slaves sold into slavery from Africa were also captives of war who were already "Workers" amongst another tribe, working their way up to higher status before being absorbed into the tribe.
However, whether it was through selling of slaves from the tribes, or raiding of europeans, the brutal outcome for the captives taken of Africa & the pacific was the same.
thotsins 7 months ago
@thotsins
OO YES African Chiefs DID sell Their Brothers and Sisters for Riches GREED has no barrier for many.
Why to people want to be Chiefs? Control
Many Slaves were murderers, thieves and rapists, AS Castro did they cleaned out their Dungeons of the
ill Repute. Let someone else feed them, they're doomed for life as a Criminal. Who wouldn't take the chance to walk out of Prison. Chain Gains is a preference over rotting in a stinky filthy Dungeon to many. Don't sugar coat reality
Xquire 7 months ago
@Xquire Eh hem. Excuse me. I'm From Africa, hon. And I know the traditions that have been passed down about the slave trade and the mentality behind why certain tribesmembers were sold into slavery.
Don't make the mistake of thinking you know more about us, our cultures, and our experience than we do.
thotsins 7 months ago
@thotsins
And for the MOST PART, WE? Were you around in 1400, 1500, 1600 100 AD? Egypt, Greece, Rome? Did you build the Pyramids ? How about the 18th Dynasty 1500-1200 ADE? Many slaves were captured enemies.
GREED has no barriers on the selfish POWERS of Chiefs to this day. Look at OBAMA Bam Bam he's creating a Slave State, He's sold out USA he's worse than NIXON Whom created Senators Governors Congressmen out of High TreasonTraitors as did Prescott Bush CHARGED WAR Criminal 1945 4 War Crimes
Xquire 7 months ago
@Xquire Yes, my ancestors who were around during 1400-100AD have passed down the stories of their affairs in Egypt—And yes my ancestors built the pyramids which is why our african traditions trace us back to certain kings and chiefs from Egypt, which we often call "Msiri" in tradition, who made the sojourn of bringing us down into the African Interior when foreign invaders like the Assyrians came.
Yes Greed is often behind corruption, but in Africa it was not the sole cause behind slavery.
thotsins 7 months ago
@Xquire I hate when people try to amplify "African chiefs sold their own into slavery" as if it ls dominant causative factor for slavery. MOST slaves taken captive were NOT by way of chiefs selling them. When chiefs did most of the time, it was cuz we were unaware of the TYPE of slavery westerners were really employing—since our concept of slavery is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from that used in the States, which I already explained in detail.
Hon, we know our traditions better than you do.
thotsins 7 months ago
@Xquire You seem to know a lot of things, but a lot of what you THINK you know is inaccurate.
And all this other unrelated nonsense about Nixon has nothing to do with the subject, this topic is about slavery of pacific islanders.
You sound like some sort of perp spreading propaganda.
If you are well intentioned, you need to go and clarify your "FACTS."
Thanks.
thotsins 7 months ago
SAD & YET MANY OF THE WHITE PEOPLE BLAME THE PEOPLE OF COLOR!
JayCdaAeta3464 7 months ago
If this is true than why my parents never mention it.Growing up in Samoa everybody get along. I do'nt belive this , Only god knows . Watching bible story you see different color people you see white slave black slave and probley brown,yellow,red slave.Say that to say this to my knowledge my grandparents,parents and myself were never slave,Thank you very much....
macdaddytamra 7 months ago
@macdaddytamra well because the Europeans(whites) white washed many natives, also killing da natives. rapping dem & etc.sad to believe but true..like many think Jesus is a white man even though he is not,it says in the bible that he had feet of brass & wool of wolf..meaning he was like Tupac Amarus color...why? cus he was a hebrew from his mother Mary. Hebrews originally came from Ethiopia present day den tooken as slaves in Egypt. makes sense? I am a Pacific Islander! IM BLACK, BROWN &PROUD
JayCdaAeta3464 7 months ago
@kingtriton09 you sit here and run your mouth like marshallese defends their island? well looks like yall came out short by letting the US contaminate ur bloods... all that atomic toxic is a curse top your people.. i wonder why you didnt defend your islands but let another country use your people as guinnea pigs..
jsunzee 7 months ago
its sad how polynesians and melanesians were kiddnapped not knowing how bad outsiders were--too open because my history in the Marshall Islands we killed every ships that is to show on our oceans--shipwrecked everywhere...because we protect our kind and no one will interfere with us--we are not of micronesians we are ourselves! much luve PACIFIKA malo 'eo ne!
kingtriton09 8 months ago
Check out the website blackbird.vu for more information
massingfali6 8 months ago
maoris defeated the pakehas!!
TheCelticmaori 11 months ago
@TheCelticmaori its not maoris its maori.....one maori many maori
jaydinskatepunk666 9 months ago
Strange, I think I might look this up, I'd never ever heard of this either being a Samoan and reisiding in Oz. I would've thought there would be more Polyz here then there are today if this had happend, since we were brought here generations back as slaves. Thanks for posting anyway, very interesting.
maddys79 11 months ago
Wow! This is fascinating. Though, sadly not surprising, considering early Europeans behaviour toward other human beings. Thank you for this post. =)
PrincessVanya 11 months ago
Can any one tell me where Micronesians originated from?? There are some of us that are malynesians u can tell when u see them but some look Polynesians some look Asians n some look Mexican or Dominican or even European
85darson 1 year ago
Can anyone tell me where Micronesians originated from I know Palau is malynesian n Micronesian mixed what about Pohnpei, chuuk, Guam, marshall, nauru, kapingamrangi, nukuoro, kosrie, and yap islands cause the thing is we all speak differend languages please if u know something let me know bout our origins
85darson 1 year ago
@85darson i believe the name your looking for is Melanesian, and Palau is Micronesian, not Malaysian.
Owb2009 9 months ago
and they wonder why we call them ( white people ) devils...smh
shawtyred420 1 year ago 2
interesting...now I want my bones tested to see where I'm assimilated from
ntui09 1 year ago
you are wrong. just wrong about polys especially about Samoa, you're no diff to white claiming the same thing about asians and you've spoken of a khami tribe in zimbabwe, that you're related to but no where near the likeness nor anywhere near sound like your peoples. i assume that you claim Africa to be the home of the Garden of Eden, when clearly you dont know the biblical account of a preflood civilizations and land mass - where there were no blacks only after the flood through ham..LOL. get
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr What the heck are you talking about?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're babbling like a crazed idiot. LOL! NOT the Khami Ruins of Zimbabwe, dufus. No offense but, you are one ignorant idiot.
And what does the garden of Eden have to do with anything?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
I just bummed you out. your theories are bunk. you are nothing more than a parading fool with false information promoting black 'pride'. well not in Samoa. as ive said you are more enemy to us. you were always enemy - Fisi Kefe.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr You can't talk what you don't know. I've quoted no theories, these are just facts that exist, hon. You just sound like an idiot. I've already had these discussion with other ignorant fools who just babble like yourself, and they've failed. So please, just stop.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr You can't pick and choose which DNA results you want to listen to and then be bias to others. The bottom line is, all the DNA tests have given DIFFERENT results. Your little friend Oscar, IS JUST ONE SAMOAN. The DNA tests from oxford and cambridge were taken from HUNDREDS and THOUSANDS of Polynesians, and they gave the results I stated.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr You just sound like a fool—you're just running scareD cuz you know if you face your true origins you're going to see you are not as samoan as you thought. You're more east asian now through the east asians who hijacked the culture through intermarriage.
YOU SHOW ME WHERE SAVAI'I/PULOTU THEN YOU CAN TALK. Otherwise, just hush. You just got bummed, hon.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Fool went through all that, for nothing. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins Naw we ate blacks.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr Ah! Wow, cannibalsim—another Khami practice. LOL!
The more you talk, the more you obliterate your own posted data. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Could you please show me the central and south eurasians who practiced this custom of eating their enemies?
I'd be happy to look at it.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr No! the Fijians ate you haha.
DIJV79 11 months ago
"promoting black 'pride'. well not in Samoa. as ive said you are more enemy to us. you were always enemy - Fisi Kefe."
Actually, YOUR OWN LEGENDS PROMOTE BLACK PRIDE. Go listen to them. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins My family is a family of Orators, there is none you piece of shit.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr So I guess your supposed "orator" family must not be real samoans then—they must be the "eurasian" assimilators who hijacked the south pacific.
Hon, all samoans know Pulotu. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr You've had more then enough chances to prove our claims and you've produced crap that hasn't disproven anything. If you keep wasting my channel space, i'll just block you.
Here's a research project for you. Rather then testing Oscar's blood, have you seen the DNA results of the earliest DNA extracted from the first settlements of Samoa? They're DEFINITELY NOT EURASIAN. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go do some homework, then just go sit down, please.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr
I thought I'd leave your ignorant self with this, since I know you understand it.
Samoan:
Ma=and, Oe=you, Uli=dog, Ino Ino=bad, Fula=swell, Ata=laugh, Iliola=skin
Africa:
Na=and, Owe=you, Kuli=dog, Inonio=bad, Isula=swell, Kata=laugh, Ilikona=skin
So if you're going to claim you have no black in you—PLEASE STOP SPEAKING OUR LANGUAGES! There are A LOT more like this, and we'd like our words back please.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins languages do not evolve, languages were divided at the Tower of Babel near Turkey.
prosaint3 1 year ago
@prosaint3
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@prosaint3 how can you mention a fictional place like the tower of babel in a scientific discussion? You do realize that there is no proof the tower ever existed, much like there is no proof the hanging gardens of babylon ever existed.
mjohanss1975 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Interestingly, archaeologists have uncovered in & around the ruins of ancient Babylon sites of several pyramid temple-towers, including the temple of Etemenanki within Babylon’s walls. Ancient records concerning such temples often contain the words, “Its top shall reach the heavens.” Archaeologist George Smith discovered a tablet relating the fall of Babel in these words: “The building of this temple offended the gods ...They scattered them abroad, and made strange their speech."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Various primitive tribes yield additional evidence through their folklore of this same account of Babel—although never having encountered the biblical account before ...
Choctaw:
"Many generations ago, man looked upward wondering what the heavens might be. So they brought many rocks and began building a mound that was to have touched the heavens ... the rocks were hurled down ... then they spoke various languages and could not understand one another."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Elema tribe, Papua New Guinea:
"At one time all the ancestors lived in one place called Pawpaw and all shared a common language. Looking into heaven, they embarked on a project intended to bring them even closer heaven by building a great, tall house to reach the sky'. Now that got God worried. God's solution was to give people working on different levels of the house seperate languages."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Tuamotu Islands (polynesia):
"After a great flood, the sons of Rata, who survived, made an attempt to erect a building by which they could reach the sky and see the creator god. But the god in anger chased the builders away, broke down the building, and changed their language, so that they spoke divers tongues.
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Malozi tribe (Africa):
"At one time, man became separated from God and tried to equal God by building a tower that would reach the sky."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Miao (China):
There was a man named Nuah, with his wife Gawboluen, and three sons Lo Han, Lo Shen and Jah-Hu who escaped a great flood in a ship After the flood people built a tower and their speech were broken up into six languages.
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Jews (The Middle East):
"When all men were of one language, some of them built a high tower, as if they would thereby ascend up to heaven, but the gods sent storms of wind and overthrew the tower, and gave every one his peculiar language, and for this reason it was that the city was called Babylon."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
Now—the bible account (i.e. also written documentation):
"All the earth continued to be of one language and of one set of words ... And they began to say: 'Come on! Let us make bricks ... Let us build ourselves a ... tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a celebrated name for ourselves. ... After that Jehovah said, 'Let us go down and confuse there language that they may not listen to one another's language.' ... they gradually left off building the city."
thotsins 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975
I hope that helps.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins please stop..LOL....FIJI BELONGS TO SAMOAN LAPITA PEOPLES. YOU BLACK BASTARDS ARE ON BORROWED TIME. GIVE BACK VANUATU, SOLOMON ISLANDS, FIJI. ALL OF MELANESIA BELONGS TO SAMOA LAPITA PEOPLE.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr
Hon, the Teouma DNA results from bones of the Earliest Lapita site found that their DNA NOT MATCH DNA OF MODERN POLYNESIANS—NOR HAVE ANY EAST ASIAN BLOOD IN THEM WHATSOEVER.
The proof is there, hon, from both thorough science and oral tradition. Modern Polys were melanesian with a later mix of east asian migrants. By the time Whites came, they were already mixed which resulted in the whites classifying them as a separate race—mistakenly.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr The more you talk, the more you make a fool of yourself. You have one more chance to say something factual, or get blocked, buddy, because you're wasting my space.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Please! you come from Fijians thats why you look like us, take your ass back to the projects in the USA.
DIJV79 11 months ago
@llevijr "I just bummed you out. your theories are bunk."
Stop dreaming. Actually, rather, you've just babbled like an angry ranting fool who's stupid enough to get all excited about one MODERN dna test from ONE samoan, who you've been dumb enough to think can pass to represents the whole of polynesia, cancelling out all the other DNA tests of thousands of islanders.
If it's bunk, then disprove it. If you can, I'll happily accept....
But I know you can't LOL!
Been through this before, hon.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Since you want to parrot racial slurs i.e. "nigger," from whites, lets see what Europeans had to say about Samoans.
"if a samoan should show initiative, mistake it not for that of a human but instead the great imitator the APE."
They viewed Samoans as APES, buddy.
In Hawaii, whites had a song which sang, "YOU MAY CALL THEM HAWAIIAN, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE NIGGERS TO ME."
So you guys are viewed as "Niggers" too. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Hmm, I wonder why? Why would whites view islanders under the same terms as the rest of black people? LOL!
And racial slurs will automatically get you blocked, hon. If you can't speak in a civilized HUMAN manner, then you don't get to post. We mature intelligent responses, not responses of angry ranting savages.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins MOFO...It was Poly-indonesians FIRST COLONISED MADAGASCAR. GET OFF OUR ISLAND.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr First off, I just wanted to clarify the cognates. Those words I posted are NOT from Madagascar. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
And what do you really know about our people in Madagascar? LOL! Do you really think you know more about my people than I do, without consulting us? I've consulted poly's, so I can speak on what they've told me traditionally (which doesn't match what you're saying. Let me give you a little history lesson on the origins of our people from Madagascar...
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Madagascar is a Francophone country incorporated into the French empire only as recent as 1896–1960. And the history given that you are quoting is just as recently created. It was COINED by the French FOREIGNERS, Alfred and Guillaume Grandidier, limited only to the Merina of the central highlands who were favored as a result of being mixed with asian and given economic domination in order to support French control over the region.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr The present history of madagascar coined by these two racist frenchmen is admitted to not be based off very extensive scientific or traditional evidence, but was the history passed by the foreign frenchmen to help them gain colonial domination over the island, and it is not shared traditionally.
So you seem to be so obsessed with quoting THEORIES (i.e. GUESSES) from racist whites—The same people who called you guys "Niggers, Monkeys" and enslaved your behinds. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr The REAL history of our people in Madagascar ( not the made up history devised by the French) goes this way. The asian influence was recent and foreign as a result of a back migration of Chinese for trade with Africa, and a settlement of Khmer in 1250 as a result of a Chinese expulsion. Around 1896 more foreign Chinese and Vietnamese arrived, going into petty businesses, intermarrying with the locals, and assimilating our culture there. (As asians always do.)
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr This is who the MERINA peoples descend from, and they are the only history told in Madagascar. But when the asians arrived they found a population already living there. They were the VAZIMBA—Africans. And the rest of the tribes—the Sakalava, Antaimoro, Antaifasy Bara etc. etc. ALL THESE ARE NOT FROM ASIA—AND THEY ARE THE INDIGENOUS POPULATION and they have the same genes as Melanesians.
Our history in these tribes goes this way...
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Antaifasy, Antambaoaka, Antaisaka. Antaisaka, Antandroy etc.are all subgroups of Sakalava. You also have the Bara and Makua etc.
The origins are from ancestor Rahmynia, Simyaro, who soujourned to Madagascar from Mozambique, Ethiopia/Somalia etc. etc. They and the surrounding people are all related to a group of our people called the MAORI, who came from one of our ancient homes—SAVAE'I which was a Khami empire along the coast of East Africa. All of us Africans trace ties to there.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr So no, Madagascar is NOT YOUR ISLAND. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was settled by asian foreigners LATER who came and stole and assimilated our cultures and our peoples as they always do. This is why their genes, now represent the same mix as the south pacifc. Asians assimilated us, just as they did in Polynesia and the rest of the south pacific. LOL!
We know our people and history that has been passed down for generations, hon. Again, you've made a fool of yourself.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr So I told you I'd give you ONE more chance to try to prove your claims and, again, you've made a fool of yourself trying to tell Me where our peoples came from without consulting us. LOL!
I've fairly given you more then enough chances, and you've produced crap. This was your last chance—and you blew it—so, sorry, you get blocked, hon. Now, you're wasting my channel space, and my time. Take care "sweetie."
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Most poly's I've spoken with have not been this crazy about the subject as you. This is the craziest samoan I've ever met. LOL!!!!!!!!!
You've just embarrassed your whole community.
Thankfully, they're not all like you. Just goes to show there are nice/intelligent people and stupid people in all cultures. So I'm not going to count this against the whole community—it's just you. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr Poor fella, I sense insecurity in you.
The thing about African people, is that we are fair people. We are fair to tell ALL the origins of a history whether it be Kami, or Mongoloid, or European etc.
But people like you, IIevijr, are not only delusional and dishonest, but also in denial.
thotsins 1 year ago 2
@llevijr Thought I might add, there is a degree of racist division between the Merina and the Kami populations in Madagascar because of colonial exploitation,and the Merina have adopted the tale created by the French, unfortunately.
And by the way, if you've been thinking those images of our people on my channel are from our island of Madagascar—just to clarify, NONE OF THEM ARE. Most are from the mainland and our other islands. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr All you quoted was western theories. I really don't know what kind of spell FOREIGN westerners have on people that gets them to submit to their recently made up theories like naive servants. They're late comers who had nothing to do with our histories. How can they just come and impose THEIR THEORIES. Theories are guesses based off their partial evidence interpreted to THEIR INTERPRETATION. LOL!
You're suppose to present THOROUGH FACTS—and the facts will speak for themselves. LOL!
thotsins 1 year ago 2
@llevijr blacks were first on madagascar idiot
besmart78 1 year ago
paternal lineage goes back to Central and South Eurasia.
llevijr 1 year ago
heres the documentary note: ''In Samoa, Oscar who is expecting the envelope to confirm his Polynesian roots is shocked to discover that his paternal lineage goes back to Central and South Eurasia. This discovery suggests Asian ancestry as his modern day descendants are found in the Middle East and the Himalayas.'' KEFE.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr Testing the DNA of polys TODAY is of no use, hon, as the population is HEAVILY assimilated. As a result, the dna of different polys are going to give different results. My samoan associate tested her dna and found African haplogroups.
Other dna tests from oxford have shown maternal and paternal lineage as being 65% melanesian with the remaining being east asian. So modern dna tests don't indicate where they came from, just who they've assimilated with. Sorry.
thotsins 1 year ago
@llevijr The bottom line is poly's trace their origins to Savai'i/Hawaiki/Pulotu.
These places are NOT anywhere in asia. Savai'i is a Khami homeland, also shared and mentioned by African people. The people of this paradise were mariners and controlled the ports of trade between southeast asia and east africa. Pulotu also has nothing to do with asia.
And no, I'm not from Fiji.
thotsins 1 year ago
you may also check out videos by DR. FRANCES CRESS WELSING SHE IS A CHILD THERPIST WILL EXPLAIN TO
YOU WHY WHITES ENSLAVES PEOPLE OF COLOR BECAUSE THEY CANNOT
EXCEPT THE FACT THE WORLD IS COLORED.
renodudes 1 year ago
To the person that posted this video... Actually, this truth isn't the same for EVERYONE'S history... People of color have had their history stripped from them, a history that is rarely taught or even mentioned in school. We start learning European history in preschool. Great video though.
pcyeta 1 year ago
SETTLED ON A ISLAND THAT WAS RICH WITH SOIL, AND THEY CALLED IT TONGA MEANING THE SOUTHERN ISLANDS....
I CAN GO ON... BUT I'LL STOP HERE FOR NOW...
HAVEASELU 1 year ago
@HAVEASELU Interesting, which island has this account? I'd like to see it.
thotsins 1 year ago
AND WHEN SAVAI'I GOT OVER POPULATED SOME WENT BACK TO MAUI (HAWAI'I) AND LATER WENT INTO A POLITICAL WAR WHICH LED TO THE RULE OF ONE NATION... INSTEAD OF THEM CALLING IS SAVAI'I, THEY WANTED TO LET GO OF THE PAST AND CALL THERE NEW FORM NAME HAWAI'I WHICH IS PERNOUNCED AS "HAVAI'I" AFTER SAVAI'I...
THE PEOPLE BACK ON THE SAVAI'I ISLAND GOT NEWS OFTHE NEW NAME AND THEY CALLED THERE NEW FORM NAME "SAMOA" MEANING THE CENTER OF......
THE OTHERS WHO WENT WEST CONTINUED UNTIL THEY
HAVEASELU 1 year ago
from my understanding and research when i was at portland state, is all pacific islanders came from the american continents... between central and south america region.... they started populated the marquesas islands... as the continue to grow more populations went north and west... thats how we got hawai'i... they were known as the Maui people... as they continue to populated... they too migrated west and founded samoa but they called thereself SAVAI'I
HAVEASELU 1 year ago
I did a paper on this.....most Poly's I know don't even know this even happened.
popolodude 1 year ago
@popolodude Their ancestors were enslaved by chinese in asia too. They were enslaved on two occasions.
thotsins 1 year ago
I would like to point out that white people where putting up with slavery many 100's of years before the polynesians. The britons were invaded by rome and enslaved. As were the Gauls. The germans could not be conquered, but many were enslaved. It was brutal times for all races. You are right thotsins slavery is one of the worst attrocities the human race committed.
youbriggs 1 year ago
@youbriggs So happy you pointed that out. That is SO true. Not too many people know that black peoples of the earth were not the only ones enslaved. Almost everybody in the whole world was enslaved at some point in time.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins All powered by human greed. if only we didn't have greed, imagine all the culture's that could have grown and would still be here today. It is very good of you thotsins to not let these attrocities be forgotten, so they are not repeated
youbriggs 1 year ago
@youbriggs did u know also that Blacks once ruled western parts like UK - Spain, Russia, Germany etc etc - if you research the Moniq - with Queen Elizabeth. u will see in beginning of there Tree, it was a Black man that rule - Just like spain - also most of Asia, were ruled by Black people as well - they dont teach this in schools, and there is a reason. and its all to do with Bible Prophecy's - Example King James, was shown as a whiteman, but facts show he was actually a man of colour.
vaea46 1 year ago
Does anyone know where Polynsians come from = before we came to the South Pacific = i know we came from the East = Malaysia has Polynesians there as well = but i know that isnt our Origin = the Malaysians Polynesians before being invaded by Asians = advise they travelled to that land as well ?? but dont know where
vaea46 1 year ago
@vaea46 The best thing is to do the excavations, tests, interviews of indigenous people, and research that the scientists are doing YOURSELF. it's proven more reliable then just being gullible into accepting the theories (aka guesses) that the western educational and scientific institutions try to shove down everyone's throats. They have not been accurate, honest, nor have they showcased all the evidence out there that exists.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 I have been using this technique for years and it's proven successful in finding out the info scientists allow us to see and the stuff they cover up cuz the industry is corrupt. If you can't do the excavations & researching, at least obtain ALL the official reports from the ALL the excavations/tests carried out—both from prominent and non-prominent organizations.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 Also, don't get caught up in only choosing to look up data from the so called "credible" organizations, cuz "credible" in political terms just means the government PREFERS your theory, and financially backs your theory, even if it's untrue—not that you are actually accurate. So look up all the results from everybody cuz they all contain pertinent info that complete the puzzle.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 To figure out what the data indicates—and to avoid formulating THEORIES to ensure the conclusion is not a theory but factual—what I do is analyze the data based on the traditional facts the people themselves have about their origins. I let the PEOPLE interpret the data based off their traditions and genealogies. This helps avoid the data being filtered through the human filtration of personal biases and prejudices—and usually it's ALWAYS accurate.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 From my research, i've found that Polys today have origins in at least 3 peoples and possible 4. But primarily from my research, polynesians are a mix between Melanesians and East asians. Melanesians are "Savai" peoples from a place called "Savai'i." They migrated to indonesia in more than 1 migration. During one of the migrations, some of them began taking east asian wives at various times & their offspring became Polynesians. Savai'i, however is NOT in Asia, but further west.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 Aboriginal Taiwanese. China.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr Taiwan is not Savai'i. Savaii is further west. from southeast asia. All the indigenous populations say point savai'i to the west. Taiwan aborigines were populated from indonesian aborigines, later to be wiped out through assimilation mostly by Hans. Tawainese aborigines of today are not the same as they originally were.
Chinese and related groups come through an ancestor named Gomay, a relative of europeans. Savai'i was through a Khami ancestor.
thotsins 1 year ago
@thotsins dude i watched a documentary of origins of Polynesia in New Zealand. They tested blood DNA of a Samoan and traced it to the Aboriginal Taiwanese people 5000 years ago.
llevijr 1 year ago
@llevijr Great, and I have the actual report from Oxford University of polynesian DNA. And it reflected Melanesian (paternal), east asian (maternal)
BTY you can't test the dna of polynesians TODAY because they've become assimilated by east asians/europeans. If you want an accurate result, you have to do numerous tests on the earliest bones in the ground. Because islanders of TODAY are not the same exactly as when they first settled.
And I'm a female by the way, hon.
thotsins 1 year ago
makes me sad everytime i watch this :(
Chris23688 1 year ago
I guess you are right then
toamaori 1 year ago
the blackbirders took all but the very old and very young, after the slavetraders left the missionaries moved in and beat the children into submission if they did not do as they were told. spare the rod and spoil the child was never part of polynesian history until the bible came.
toamaori 1 year ago
@toamaori
"spare the rod and spoil the child was never part of polynesian history until the bible came. "
You mean until the missionaries came. I've read and researched a number of the holy books—including the bible extensively—and never saw anywhere in it where it condones or encourages what the missionaries were teaching.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
If you were saying all this in response to the genealogies you saw me list for Vaea46, I'd like you to know that those genealogies were NOT TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE—They were taken from the TRADITIONAL GENEALOGIES of TRIBAL PEOPLES THEMSELVES.
As you notice, those tribes unknowingly mention ancestors who are also mentioned in the bible—despite the fact they've never read the bible.
thotsins 1 year ago
polynesian ancestors were moving towards the pacific many thousands of years ago, genealogically the bible shows the age of the earth at around 4,000 years ago so how do we find bones carbon dated to 5,000 years in lapita culture? did god arrange it like this so as to fool us into thinking the earth was older than 4,000 years? how do we date dinosaur bones to 320 million years ago? how do we date hominid bones to 1 million years ago? is god deliberately tricking our inquisitive scientific minds?
toamaori 1 year ago
@toamaori
genealogically the bible shows the age of the earth at around 4,000 years ago
The bible does NOT reveal genealogy of the EARTH cuz you cant date the EARTH genealogically. Genealogy refers to the study of calculating HUMAN existence—not how long the EARTH existed, cuz it is not human nor produces offspring. The assumption of the earths age as old as human genealogy was an INCORRECT ASSUMPTION originating with the CATHOLIC CHURCH—NOT THE BIBLE.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
... And this CLAIM of the church was that the bible dated the earth to 6,000 years, not 4,000. This belief was based off a FLAWED INTERPRETATION of the Genesis account, namely that the earth was created in six LITERAL 24-HOUR days, with humans being created on the 6th 24-HOUR day. And since human genealogies the globe over date to about 6,000 years, CATHOLICS ASSUMED the earth must then be 6,000 years old.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
In REALITY, the BIBLE ITSELF does NOT date the EARTH at 6,000 years old. If you notice in Genesis, it says the creation of literal 24-hour days by the rotational motions of the sun and moon were created on the 4RTH DAY. How can a literal 24-hour day be created within a 24-hour day? How can a day be created in a day?
In Genesis when its saying the earth was created in days, its speaking according to CREATIVE DAYS—not literal 24-HOUR days—and these were LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
thotsins 1 year ago
... Its just like when people say expressions today such as "Back in the old DAY," referring to a PERIOD OF TIME, instead of a literal day. As a matter of fact, I just did it just now when I said, "today" in the previous sentence, referring to this TIME PERIOD we live in, not the literal 24 hour day that I'm posting this message. So the word "day" does not always mean 24 hours.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
CREATIVE DAYS were LONG PERIODS OF TIME— up to millions of years—which makes science precisely in AGREEMENT with the biblical documentation of how old the earth is.
What ALWAYS accounts for the seeming conflicting ideas between the bible and science is always due to PEOPLE misinterpreting both scientific data and the bible. If they are both understood ACCURATELY, youd see they actually AGREE with each other.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
Question 2) how do we find bones carbon dated to 5,000 years in lapita culture? how do we date dinosaur bones to 320 million years ago? how do we date hominid bones to 1 million years ago?
The scientific journal reported that dating methodology, such as radiocarbon dating, may be off by magnitudes of time. The conference of world experts held in Uppsala, Sweden in 1976, consisting of the worlds so called experts in radiochemistry, archaeology, geology, etc. ..
thotsins 1 year ago
... admitted that the measurement systems of dating were untrustworthy because they do not take into consideration periods of atmospheric change which alter the rate of decay measured by carbon-dating. And since the rate of radioactive carbon formation in the atmosphere has not been consistent in the past, that carbon dating methods are not reliable for dating objects prior to 2,000 B.C.E. I have no reports that this admittance has ever been withdrawn.
I encourage you to look up the report.
thotsins 1 year ago
As far as hominids, Chimps still exist, humans exist—but where are the transitional hominids that are alleged to be in between us? And theres no ABUNDANCE of their fossils available (just a few alleged to represent them here and there) whereby their should be an abundance of them being that they are claimed to have existed, living and dying, supposedly for millions of years? You find more mammoth bones then any hominid transitional forms in between chimps and humans.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
QUESTION 3) did god arrange it like this so as to fool us into thinking the earth was older than 4,000 years? is god deliberately tricking our inquisitive scientific minds?
No—its HUMANS who are doing this. You cant blame God for humans falsifying the meanings of material substances on earth and holy books to dupe people any more than you can blame a person who builds planes for someone who chooses to use it to fly into a building.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
Its people who are unknowingly or knowingly falsifying data. And since people just gullibly believe and chug down theyre told dictated by the so called experts—instead of RESEARCHING and VERIFY info for themselves—they get duped into believing all this propaganda. The so called experts are only labeled experts cuz they have the financial backing so thus are giving the authority over the fields as part of prominent institutions—not cuz theyre actually correct.
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori
You are right when you say "Polynesian ancestors were moving to the pacific thousands of years ago." Island traditional genealogies so far document the settlement about 3,000 years. The names mentioned as the homelands existed about 3,000 years ago. In some island accounts they mention during the voyage , a writing system existing, and since? writing is only about 7,000 old, this means the voyage took place within that time frame. So you are very right!
thotsins 1 year ago
@toamaori just a theory,the bible can not be taken literal,metaphors and allusions are the main literary techniques that make up the bible,the bible showing the age of the earth at around 4000 years could posibly be alluding to the rise of the homo sapien sapiens,the descrition of the creation of the earth in genesis could also jus be a metaphor for the enlightenment God has granted upon our ancestors,this is just my look on things please feel free to comment,im interested in ur thoughts as well
808beachbound 1 year ago
@808beachbound It's easy to determine which aspects of the bible are literal vs symbolic by considering the contexts and allowing the different verses to interpret themselves by comparing verses that all speak on the same topic. It's already been clarified here that the bible does not date the earth at 4,000 years old. And the genesis account can't be metaphoric cuz there are extensive genealogies listed showing single father to son relationships.
thotsins 1 year ago
Noah had 3 children - Shem - Ham and Jephetic - we come from the line of Jephetic - polynesians were the first in Europe - then we scattern the Isle (islands) - history anthropoligist trying to trick us to say we came from Taiwan - yes we do have polynesian in those areas of asia, but we travelled there from europe -to Hawaii - then the south Pacific - the Bible talks about it.
vaea46 1 year ago
EX 1: Traditional ancestral genealogies of Asians:
Japan, China, etc=Seageweng, son of Gangen Newang, son of Jenku Dawvu ... son of Gomer, son of JAHPHET.
EX 2: Traditional genealogies of Europeans: Armenians= Togomar, son of JAPHETH; Greeks=Ionians, son of JAPHETH; Spaniards/Latins= Tarsisi/Tartessus, son of Yawan ... son of JAPHETH.
Japheth is the ancestor mentioned in the traditions of White Europeans, and the Chinese, Japanese, Korean etc.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 So Japheth is the line that produced Europeans, Chinese tribes, Japanese, Korean, Gomerian Filipinos and southeast Asians, Native Siberian, Most Native Americans; this is why genetically they are considered now by the scientific industry as not that different from each other. It also explains the close relationship between Gomerian Asians and Europeans—they are of the same immediate family line.
thotsins 1 year ago
Pacific islanders do not have Japheth TRADITIONAL origins. Except now at present they have GENETIC blood that traces to his line as a result of mixing extensively with East Asians (a considerable degree occurring during the migration to be followed with assimilation from modern tourism), and Europeans (from colonialism/tourism), which is why TODAY the genetic studies now show some east asian/european origins.
The maternal side is east asian/melanesian, the paternal side is melanesian.
thotsins 1 year ago
@vaea46 And you are very right about the Taiwan theory. I had friend who'd been studying in Taiwan over a decade, and he said taiwan was settled by islanders from Indonesia but were assimilated practically to extinction by chinese tribes, with barely none left.
And you're right about the bible too, it's maintained a flawless record of historical accuracy. You'll find the genealogies it lists, if you spend time with tribes of the earth, they mention the EXACT same genealogy in the EXACT order.
thotsins 1 year ago
thankyou for posting this vid!..Yeah, its true the whites did not teach the real history to us.
Kandemangs 1 year ago
Your welcome. Yea, you're right, and neither they nor their western institutions teach us the real history about anything.
thotsins 1 year ago
The photo at 1:20 are not slaves!! They are the Fiji army in the 1800s... Take it out!! Fiji was not 'blackbirded'...
Islandbratha 1 year ago
Blackbirding labor took place in fiji, that's one reason why this documentary included it.
thotsins 1 year ago
I didn't know that ploynesians were brought to Australia as slaves I always thought it was primarily Melanesian people from Vanuatu, The Loyalty Islands and the Solomon Islands that were blackbirded
miwanpela 2 years ago
I always thought is was primarily Melanesian people from Vanuatu, The Loyalty Islands and the Solomon Islands that were blackbirded to Australia not polynesians
miwanpela 2 years ago
I'm surprised and grateful the slave ships skipped over fiji
iBall5 2 years ago
"This is the history, that is relevant to me. This is the history, they dont teach me in school".
The voice is Miss Samoa Josephina Fuimaono-Sapolu.
eyeguyer 2 years ago
yea. very sad. this history clip is from the Kilakokonut Krew DVD that was done in 2004 I think. there are other history and entertainment clips of pacific islands on that DVD.
eyeguyer 2 years ago
70yrs 80,000 islanders enslaved it might be so but it has had know effect on are culture are identity like it has the blacks taken to the Americas and the carribean matter a fact this isn't even part of are history.
DIJV79 2 years ago
Slavery affects the enslaved and the descendants of the enslaved in the lands they are TAKEN TO. So of course pacific islanders in the islands were not affected by a cultural deprivation; however, the enslaved pacific islanders who were taken as slaves were severely impacted in australia and the other places they were taken, as well as were their descendants.
thotsins 2 years ago
Unfortunately, even though the pacific islander cultural identity in the mainland islands was not affected by the slavery, it would unfortunately be left to be severely affected and impacted by western missionaries, and its peoples also depleted and almost wiped out by disease. So there is still a degree of lost cultural identity. The west has unfortunately messed up the whole world.
thotsins 2 years ago
But fortunately pacific islanders still retain a degree of culture for the enslaved ones abroad to come back to just as Africans still retain the culture for black americans to return to whenever they want.
thotsins 2 years ago
Also, in the caribbean and south america, the african traditions were allowed to be retained.
The only place where the culture was attempted to be taken away completely was in NORTH AMERICA. Even still, Black Americans still managed to retain MUCH of their African traditions. The only problem is sometimes they don't know it.
thotsins 2 years ago
It has everything to do with our history. There blood runs through us. One ppl's experience does not outweigh anothers. Our ancestors were all affected by this brutality and so were their children.
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