the only weapon art i have is lugh's revenge for torgal and my union hp is 2.4....2.5,........3.1k........im focusin on gettin hawkrang for rush.....do you have to have a certain hawkwind.......or can is be anywhere from hawkwind to enchanted hawkwind to learn...and once you get hawkwind do you automaticly.get hawkrang...or do you have to battle alot.....srry for so many question but all guide's tell me are nothing.....
lol me too i took 4 tries though baulson upgraded to shielding glaive and learned heavens door after he had 13,000 gold 6 pengus bone, and 3 jewel steel =D
Um, Write down the order of what moves he uses at the end of each turn.
Attack first turn with all unions, make sure the guest union is deadlocked. The rest depends on your team. Your luck, patience and CRITICAL TRIGGER !!!
LOL, the key to win this is to use the Belt formation which will increase the mobily greatly, i beat the fallen and the fiery gates with 1st try on this formation, on the other formations i am totally no match for them like im gonna give up on them, i didnt know that the formation can affect the battle so much, the downside on belt formation is both defence is 0.
im currently in the eagles nest fight. i saw masterLL vid of it and i saw his rush learned caustic blast. now my party is 2 unions of 3 mages and 2 unions of 3 melee. and my invocation mages dont know caustic blast, should i train for it???
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You are one of the most pathetic liars of videos! Take your fuckin' videos down now! I'm sick of sons of bitches that lies!!! It's like some donkey falling into a hole.
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This is not real. Don't try it! You all should know by now that The Fallen cannot be defeated. There is no "The Godslayer" achievement. Don't fall for this crap! Anyone who says The Fallen is possible to defeat are mentally ill.
LMAO what a fucking loser. You are ZeitgeistEX from Gamefaqs. Saying the same shit saying oh how Last Remnant is the worst game ever, Fallen can't be beaten etc etc just because you suck at the game. You're the only one thats mentally ill
This is it. I have finally discovered that The Absolute Conqueror is 100% virtually impossible to defeat. The Absolute is a massive cheater. It always uses too much damaging attacks. Even the unions' defense cannot handle it. The Last Remnant has no ending. The Absolute Conqueror is not possible to defeat in the US version.
The point is to make unions of pure leaders otherwise yeah it is kinda impossible but dont insult a brilliant game just because you cant work out how to defeat one boss.
oh ouch, i got wasted by this guy on turn 8 and only got to use omnistrike on him once, then my tank squads die, my healer squad dies, the guest union dies, David's group dies, the Emmy's group dies all in 8 turns, that felt like a dagger.
this guys freaking like 100x harder on pc 6k hp unions get killed with 2 aoe's and sumtimes that hand of god thing kills a union in one go XD, you have 10 turns, and mine goes like this, 1rst attack!! yea!!! 2-10 resu!! noo!!
How do I get this quest on the PC? Everywhere I see its for the 360 saying to get the DLC but yea... I've done frustrations, wyngale is in town, but no quest. I'm BR 48 and on the 2/7 on the Bases right now
You have to finish the bases and the events in Darken Forest before you can trigger the quest. Darken Forest may not be necessary, but that was what I did before getting the quest. Just be sure you do it before you enter Mt. Vackel.
I swear man when you get Irina it's all about putting her in a union with a complete tank like Baulson or Blocter or Jaiger. Trust me man. she provides all the AP for them and heals their ailments every round. Well that's on Xbox anyways dunno about P.C.
why is the fallen in that video deal a very little damage? im at BR 79 using union with 7k-8k HP per union, rush with sword of seven +2, nora with caustic blackjack +3, dave with flame bluesteel +3, and jager with schiovana +3. But the fallen still dealing damage around 1-2k only with ATTACK. and wyngale die every turn because he's only got 1400 HP. why is that? this is unfair.
This is the Xbox version, the PC version's enemies and bosses have increased damage due to unions on the pc having at least double the HP (All Leaders), so that's what you're seeing
I'm trying to kill this bitch on PC, on my second run (hard mode). It's kinda impossible. All my unions have 6,5/7k+ HP on BR72, and I can't even touch him. My stats are not bad at all, I upgraded a lot of my companions' weapons numerous times, and this bitch just keeps killing me. Now I regret restarting the game in hard mode...
it is IF you play wrong, the thing is, the higher your battle rank the harder it gets, so what you want to do is NOT link any enemies(unless those who you have to)
meh the fallen at high br is easy...the DLC version is a 5 turn fallen with even higher hp.and im not saying higher BR always makes it harder, but if you get higher BR by linking lots of monsters, you wont get alot of stats up,including hp and ap and that can screw you big time
oh, also if you'd like a harder version of him...the xbox360 has a dlc version that instead of 10 turns its 5, and the PC has a New Game+ Option now with hard mode
ok! i just made a new game and did 37/42 of the disk one quests including "frustrations" now i just hit disk two.. how in the hell do i activate the fallen quest
Fuck man... I want to face this boss too... but once I read about the Disc 1 part now I will never be able to face him... I'm not do all this crap over again T-T... But this looks like a cool boss! Grr... I can't believe you can't face him ANYMORE once you pass Mt Vackle.... >.> Could you still pass it and start like a completely new game???
For everybody that ask the fallen quest dissapears if you go through mt.vackle, freaking sucks,so if you already went through mt.vackle to get to undlewalt then you will never fight the fallen unless you had a save game before you ever went to mt.vackle, if thats the case exit your game and reload. you can go to mt.vackle but if you finish the area and get undlewalt, then the quest for the fallen dissapears. Just giving you guys a heads up. Be Fore warned!
Uh, well obviously if you start a new game from the start, you can try again. You just cant get past a specific part in the story, and you have to do it at ONLY one point in the story. You just have to make sure to do it in your current playthgrough. If you screw up, miss the op, or dont do the quests to activate it, you just dont get it. This game is WAY too strict lol.
i've just finished the game, and i swear i searched every pub for quests etc, because i finished but somehow this must be the only quest i never came across... my last save point must be right before the scared doors when yuo meet conquerer... am i able to go back to this save point, and just enter the world again.. cuz i dunno if the devices work on the way down!???!!???
Right i have a question, not regarding this boss as i will have him done one way or another which ever way becomes avalible to me. The one thing that has been bugging me like hell ever since i have been collecting the remnants is that when you change them into weapons or what ever else and take them to the blacksmiths they always say "I could turn that into a real beaut but, i cant quite remember how." any one care to enlighten me on how its done lol
I beat him at br 105 with 10 units, no heaven's door or special arts used at all, expect for a 30000 rush omnistrike to finish him off, the ast hit before armageddon was gonna go off!
omg i cant kill this dude i get him down to blinking hp on the 9th turn but on the 10th..GAME OVER!i wish i could go through the t.v and kill him with my bare hands...
I'm a hardcore rpg gamer and I need some help. Is this game better than what most of the reviews say it is and would you recommend it? I'm leaning more on the yes side and the reviews are confusing me. By the way, this boss is sick, cant wait to get my hands on him!
I better like 3 union 2 epic warrior union and 1 epic mage union and i do 140k with each of my warrior union and the mage union do not do anything Vs those kind of boss but Vs alot of boss like the DLC Blue Hell Gate thing or the royal guard and the king and queen my mage union kick ass with a 60-100k Blackout each turn.
lol I killed him at br 103, thanks to hawkarang for torgal and heaven's door for baulson. he has not that much hp(300000), especially because hawkarang hit 80k- 120k and heaven's door max 80k. But after every turn he use field attacks. first divine retribution. 2th blackout, 3th whiteout, 4th animalcule and 5th rain of blades
Good fight though i found demigod in ancient ruins harder since he has 1,000,000 hp and enjoys enthralling alot but thats why we play these games I guess to be truly challenged.This boss id put on par with the Jhana royals and the secret Cyclops in Avecliffe that does a Gae Bolg attack EVERY round.
I would say Lance my Rush at BR 110 hit for 60k each skill and i find his lance just before the final boss his weapon do 160 i think the name is Ancient something.
the strongest weapon in the game is the malystrix virtutis attak:220 def:58 mys:148 m.def:50 u have to either make it or find it in the ancients ruins im not sure which.
Nice video!
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Cayla16325 7 months ago
the only weapon art i have is lugh's revenge for torgal and my union hp is 2.4....2.5,........3.1k........im focusin on gettin hawkrang for rush.....do you have to have a certain hawkwind.......or can is be anywhere from hawkwind to enchanted hawkwind to learn...and once you get hawkwind do you automaticly.get hawkrang...or do you have to battle alot.....srry for so many question but all guide's tell me are nothing.....
dragondre95 1 year ago
Ok, when it comes to this game I don't have a clue. How come everyone else is so much more a higher level than me? I have been training forever!
iluvKH4eva 1 year ago
nah..i using trainer to beat this fallen fuck
took forever if training
genjutsugaara 1 year ago
OMG BBQ
how u use all leaders?
i always die...
>;(
Seri3991 1 year ago
Crap I beat him in 3 turns without having to heal once... of course I had hawkarang, swordflash, and almost 9k hp in my 3 unions (one had 9600)
ovk2k5 2 years ago
after I beat this a do all guild missions I am done REPLAY VALUE ZERO :( To much crap and garbage to do training takes forever
OLDYOUTH 2 years ago
lol finally beat him tool me 3 LONG tries
javi00969 2 years ago
lol me too i took 4 tries though baulson upgraded to shielding glaive and learned heavens door after he had 13,000 gold 6 pengus bone, and 3 jewel steel =D
xXBFMV187Xx 2 years ago
Um, Write down the order of what moves he uses at the end of each turn.
Attack first turn with all unions, make sure the guest union is deadlocked. The rest depends on your team. Your luck, patience and CRITICAL TRIGGER !!!
My best advice. Do what you gotta do.
YoTuber92 2 years ago
He as in "The Fallen" ;D
YoTuber92 2 years ago
LOL, the key to win this is to use the Belt formation which will increase the mobily greatly, i beat the fallen and the fiery gates with 1st try on this formation, on the other formations i am totally no match for them like im gonna give up on them, i didnt know that the formation can affect the battle so much, the downside on belt formation is both defence is 0.
marvesmarves 2 years ago
im currently in the eagles nest fight. i saw masterLL vid of it and i saw his rush learned caustic blast. now my party is 2 unions of 3 mages and 2 unions of 3 melee. and my invocation mages dont know caustic blast, should i train for it???
holyflame96 2 years ago
when i battled it i lost in 3 turns XD oh well ill beat it later in the future
xXBFMV187Xx 2 years ago
how use it the camera that follow caracters?when are in a fight.
sekailee 2 years ago
Doomsday get a life dude just cause u cant beat a boss doesnt mean it cant be done and this was done cause theres an achievment 4 it dumb ass
neospace13 2 years ago
doomsday...he is possible to beat and there is a achievement kalled the godslayer 4 it...u get 140 for doing it
BIGD546546 2 years ago
hell yeah beat the fucker a couple days ago BR 98
TwilightWolf4 2 years ago
whats P4?
icetea134 2 years ago
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You are one of the most pathetic liars of videos! Take your fuckin' videos down now! I'm sick of sons of bitches that lies!!! It's like some donkey falling into a hole.
Doomsday7985 2 years ago
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This is not real. Don't try it! You all should know by now that The Fallen cannot be defeated. There is no "The Godslayer" achievement. Don't fall for this crap! Anyone who says The Fallen is possible to defeat are mentally ill.
Doomsday7985 2 years ago
LMAO what a fucking loser. You are ZeitgeistEX from Gamefaqs. Saying the same shit saying oh how Last Remnant is the worst game ever, Fallen can't be beaten etc etc just because you suck at the game. You're the only one thats mentally ill
DarkNecrofearTrader 2 years ago
LMAO look at this loser's comment on gamefaqs:
This is it. I have finally discovered that The Absolute Conqueror is 100% virtually impossible to defeat. The Absolute is a massive cheater. It always uses too much damaging attacks. Even the unions' defense cannot handle it. The Last Remnant has no ending. The Absolute Conqueror is not possible to defeat in the US version.
Fucking kid is pathetic
DarkNecrofearTrader 2 years ago
ROFL
holyflame96 2 years ago
The point is to make unions of pure leaders otherwise yeah it is kinda impossible but dont insult a brilliant game just because you cant work out how to defeat one boss.
Arcanine97 2 years ago
LOL I remember seeing your crap on GameFAQs. Funny at first, but annoying after a while...Either put in some effort and kill it yourself or shut up.
CryofthePlanet 2 years ago
pathetic ass loser
You are a failure at winning anythig
LordTaoTang 2 years ago
LOSER! u probably cant even take a dump correctly
holyflame96 2 years ago
Why you have to be mean, i wasnt talking to you or the video... if you pay attention i was talking to Doomsday but wat ev thumb down my comment u ass
LordTaoTang 2 years ago
If the reply system just worked like its suppose to it would've shown i replied to Doomsday but it didnt so it looks like im commenting on the video
And btw i can execute a shit perfectly
LordTaoTang 2 years ago 2
oh ouch, i got wasted by this guy on turn 8 and only got to use omnistrike on him once, then my tank squads die, my healer squad dies, the guest union dies, David's group dies, the Emmy's group dies all in 8 turns, that felt like a dagger.
TwinBlade222 2 years ago
this guys freaking like 100x harder on pc 6k hp unions get killed with 2 aoe's and sumtimes that hand of god thing kills a union in one go XD, you have 10 turns, and mine goes like this, 1rst attack!! yea!!! 2-10 resu!! noo!!
apocalyps boom!! game over
lynkkx 2 years ago
Christ! What the hell is David holding?!?!? Nice sword! I wouldnt mind one of those.
chrisuk1984 2 years ago
David is holding the Frost Blade
You get it from one of the base battles. You can either keep it and learn a special skill, or you can give it to him and have him learn it
ViciousRanger 2 years ago
Thanks for that now I know what to look out for. +1
chrisuk1984 2 years ago
How do I get this quest on the PC? Everywhere I see its for the 360 saying to get the DLC but yea... I've done frustrations, wyngale is in town, but no quest. I'm BR 48 and on the 2/7 on the Bases right now
sedativeman 2 years ago
You have to finish the bases and the events in Darken Forest before you can trigger the quest. Darken Forest may not be necessary, but that was what I did before getting the quest. Just be sure you do it before you enter Mt. Vackel.
NeviraShadowfire 2 years ago
I swear man when you get Irina it's all about putting her in a union with a complete tank like Baulson or Blocter or Jaiger. Trust me man. she provides all the AP for them and heals their ailments every round. Well that's on Xbox anyways dunno about P.C.
IILilGingeII 2 years ago
maaaan i'm so close to beating this guy, every single time aoes K.O me when he's in critical hp...
S3DG11 2 years ago
please exactly tell me as it makes him this mission you Answer thanks
forzarappers 2 years ago
where do i start this quest? or d i have to get to a certain point on disc 2?
XIAnimAIX 2 years ago
why is the fallen in that video deal a very little damage? im at BR 79 using union with 7k-8k HP per union, rush with sword of seven +2, nora with caustic blackjack +3, dave with flame bluesteel +3, and jager with schiovana +3. But the fallen still dealing damage around 1-2k only with ATTACK. and wyngale die every turn because he's only got 1400 HP. why is that? this is unfair.
dimista0110 2 years ago
This is the Xbox version, the PC version's enemies and bosses have increased damage due to unions on the pc having at least double the HP (All Leaders), so that's what you're seeing
Daedron12 2 years ago
It because your BR is higher and effects the outcome
BrinGFinalFantasy 2 years ago
How did you get it to show you their moves (like what they are going to to do) as you selected their attacks?
Because it came up at the side as you moved from each selection?
FaithlessVeys 2 years ago
You press X
AldirTWCspammer 2 years ago
or on the pc version press Z
S3DG11 2 years ago
this guy sure does love using the women doesnt he
BigCrimson708 2 years ago
actually it is still available after mt veckle just dont visit undewalt or whatever it is or it will be gone.
mac6435 2 years ago
Hello. May I ask, where to find this boss and how to trigger the quest connected with it ?
WakizashiSabre 2 years ago
I'm trying to kill this bitch on PC, on my second run (hard mode). It's kinda impossible. All my unions have 6,5/7k+ HP on BR72, and I can't even touch him. My stats are not bad at all, I upgraded a lot of my companions' weapons numerous times, and this bitch just keeps killing me. Now I regret restarting the game in hard mode...
Baxtabba 2 years ago
How do you have THAT much HP at only BR72?
TheRealAchilleZ 2 years ago
Played the first half hour of this game today. It seems alright - the music here is certainly awesome. Heard it's damn difficult though.
ZenomBeatmop 2 years ago 2
it is IF you play wrong, the thing is, the higher your battle rank the harder it gets, so what you want to do is NOT link any enemies(unless those who you have to)
RoadToTheDawn 2 years ago
No It doesn't matter how high your BR is, It's about if your stats are high enough to deal with him
Ashe10 2 years ago
actually he has higher HP if your BR is above 100(450k hp, while 400k while below 100, not much of a difference, but there is something) xD
RoadToTheDawn 2 years ago
yes but at 100 BR you get moves that make up that 50k difference easily
howsthat45 2 years ago
meh the fallen at high br is easy...the DLC version is a 5 turn fallen with even higher hp.and im not saying higher BR always makes it harder, but if you get higher BR by linking lots of monsters, you wont get alot of stats up,including hp and ap and that can screw you big time
RoadToTheDawn 2 years ago
So do you suggest getting to BR 100+ before fighting him?
TheRealAchilleZ 2 years ago
oh, also if you'd like a harder version of him...the xbox360 has a dlc version that instead of 10 turns its 5, and the PC has a New Game+ Option now with hard mode
RoadToTheDawn 2 years ago
I se thanks I didn't know that, I want PC version badly
Ashe10 2 years ago
ok! i just made a new game and did 37/42 of the disk one quests including "frustrations" now i just hit disk two.. how in the hell do i activate the fallen quest
ryojin13 3 years ago
Fuck man... I want to face this boss too... but once I read about the Disc 1 part now I will never be able to face him... I'm not do all this crap over again T-T... But this looks like a cool boss! Grr... I can't believe you can't face him ANYMORE once you pass Mt Vackle.... >.> Could you still pass it and start like a completely new game???
BrinGFinalFantasy 3 years ago
Important!
For everybody that ask the fallen quest dissapears if you go through mt.vackle, freaking sucks,so if you already went through mt.vackle to get to undlewalt then you will never fight the fallen unless you had a save game before you ever went to mt.vackle, if thats the case exit your game and reload. you can go to mt.vackle but if you finish the area and get undlewalt, then the quest for the fallen dissapears. Just giving you guys a heads up. Be Fore warned!
Scorpion1000 3 years ago
SO your saying you can't get to him anymore even if you start like a new game?
BrinGFinalFantasy 3 years ago
Uh, well obviously if you start a new game from the start, you can try again. You just cant get past a specific part in the story, and you have to do it at ONLY one point in the story. You just have to make sure to do it in your current playthgrough. If you screw up, miss the op, or dont do the quests to activate it, you just dont get it. This game is WAY too strict lol.
redoblivion711 3 years ago
how do i actually engage in this batle
stillmatic117 3 years ago
i've just finished the game, and i swear i searched every pub for quests etc, because i finished but somehow this must be the only quest i never came across... my last save point must be right before the scared doors when yuo meet conquerer... am i able to go back to this save point, and just enter the world again.. cuz i dunno if the devices work on the way down!???!!???
iLLmAtiCxNaS 3 years ago
oh, it's 10 turns? rofl...I thought it was five so I went the entire battle without wasting turns healing. haha.
handtossedturkey 3 years ago
Right i have a question, not regarding this boss as i will have him done one way or another which ever way becomes avalible to me. The one thing that has been bugging me like hell ever since i have been collecting the remnants is that when you change them into weapons or what ever else and take them to the blacksmiths they always say "I could turn that into a real beaut but, i cant quite remember how." any one care to enlighten me on how its done lol
DaTruFinalFantasyGod 3 years ago
you need to do guild mission to unlock crafting levels.afer you can upgrade it...
develion94 2 years ago
I beat him at br 105 with 10 units, no heaven's door or special arts used at all, expect for a 30000 rush omnistrike to finish him off, the ast hit before armageddon was gonna go off!
Epic.
theSwordof1000truths 3 years ago
this boss is weak i killed him on br 102 with only blackout 5 and hawkarang
nicksarch16 3 years ago
omg i cant kill this dude i get him down to blinking hp on the 9th turn but on the 10th..GAME OVER!i wish i could go through the t.v and kill him with my bare hands...
darkrain231 3 years ago
I'm a hardcore rpg gamer and I need some help. Is this game better than what most of the reviews say it is and would you recommend it? I'm leaning more on the yes side and the reviews are confusing me. By the way, this boss is sick, cant wait to get my hands on him!
Kingofalllegacies 3 years ago
is this the ultimate boss of the game?
justin2griffin 3 years ago
yes its one of the ult bosses in the game cuz u have to beat him within 10 turns and i would also say the sbasolute conquerer is another ult boss
underworlddemon 3 years ago
I better like 3 union 2 epic warrior union and 1 epic mage union and i do 140k with each of my warrior union and the mage union do not do anything Vs those kind of boss but Vs alot of boss like the DLC Blue Hell Gate thing or the royal guard and the king and queen my mage union kick ass with a 60-100k Blackout each turn.
Achille12345 3 years ago
the recommended br is like 110 i think i dunno im br 38 and i do lik 15k per turn and im close to disc 2 u think id do anything to him?
Sixassassin 3 years ago
lol I killed him at br 103, thanks to hawkarang for torgal and heaven's door for baulson. he has not that much hp(300000), especially because hawkarang hit 80k- 120k and heaven's door max 80k. But after every turn he use field attacks. first divine retribution. 2th blackout, 3th whiteout, 4th animalcule and 5th rain of blades
Arwani1501 3 years ago
What disk is this?
Lancevfx 3 years ago
Good fight though i found demigod in ancient ruins harder since he has 1,000,000 hp and enjoys enthralling alot but thats why we play these games I guess to be truly challenged.This boss id put on par with the Jhana royals and the secret Cyclops in Avecliffe that does a Gae Bolg attack EVERY round.
The1anonly2 3 years ago
looks easy im BR 65 and hitting 20k per union and special arts does 20k per hit so i should be ok
patricksmith1992 3 years ago
what is rush's best weapon? and how do i get it plz tell me p.s include price,ingredients etc
Sixassassin 3 years ago
I would say Lance my Rush at BR 110 hit for 60k each skill and i find his lance just before the final boss his weapon do 160 i think the name is Ancient something.
Achille12345 3 years ago
the strongest weapon in the game is the malystrix virtutis attak:220 def:58 mys:148 m.def:50 u have to either make it or find it in the ancients ruins im not sure which.
darkrain231 3 years ago
I'm BR 98. 4 union with an everage HP of 3500. I tried over 20 time. I have never managed to get the boss bed. U can?
PSXBODY 3 years ago
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I'm BR 98. 4 union with an everage HP of 3500. I tried over 20 time. I have never managed to get the boss bed. U can?
PSXBODY 3 years ago
In case anybody wants to know, the Actual cut off point for this quest is when you step a single foot in Undelwalt.
You can go through and clear Mt Vackel and still do this quest, you just can't go any farther.
ViciousRanger 3 years ago
What BR was you during this fight?
Squallviii8 3 years ago
wats p4
DarkWatch2222222 3 years ago
Persona 4
Oblivion0xyz 3 years ago
holy **** that looks INSANE.
Voshra 3 years ago
i know i just pee'd a little too
fatrice217 3 years ago
Looks like an awesome boss fight, but I would rather watch the full video in high quality. Is that available?
Zalafina 3 years ago
how did u get permafrost for rush??
enigmatic247 3 years ago
Actually you can go after mt. vackel, i just did that and the quest was at baaluk pub.
pProjectz 3 years ago
how do you fight him
123feer 3 years ago
On disk 2 after you complete Darken Forest, you head to Baluuk, head into the pub, and speak with the Sovani
ViciousRanger 3 years ago
Rain of blades? Sounds like Saurin from the the first Romancing SaGa game.
ReiKusanagi 3 years ago
heh i thought the same thing
Xinaeus 3 years ago
And it's not too suprising since I heard the SaGa team worked on this (If not someone's done a fine job copying SaGaish features)
ReiKusanagi 3 years ago
Are you almost done with the game?
Natureman22 3 years ago
Nope, although I guess I am near.
I have to go to that Mount Vakel place, then to Underwhelt city from there, and then I think I should be near the end of the game.
Still I would like to kill this bastard before playing on since this is the only time you can kill it.
MasterLL 3 years ago
sorry for being rude for asking, the only reason I asked was because I need a guide on P4 social links for when i get the game.
Natureman22 3 years ago