My uncle just got out of jail for covering up the evidence..but he finally said something..if it wasn't for him the body wouldn't of been found..i can't tell you had bad he feels about everything still..he cries..
@the1tigglet Actually,I was told that navajo tradition is fading. Gangs,thugs,Meth,domestic violence,single parents... is extremely high on the reservation. Also they've said, when the U.S. economy collapse ,they're going to take back there stolen belongings,and ship the white man back to Europe.
@the1tigglet I live close to the navajo reservation,and I've been to there schools, tc. Native christain's are rare, in the first place. They're more traditional and atheist. Yes,the white man has been teaching atheistism,and a lot of my native friends don't believe nor follow there traditions. So again the white man has caused more damages. I call it ,"two-spirits, screwed by two white man."
THE TRUTH:Gay's ,even UGLY natives are not accepted in there own tribe ,it's not tolerable and greatly shun(avoided). Even a straight single christain man are easy targets of being rumored and label gay on the reservation but yet what's accepted is adultery; majority of native women are divorced with children's or single parents or married into other race.They are easy targets for bullying and falsely charged of a crime.Even in prison's there beaten or chased off from yards to yards.
@pillowhole I think it's mainly due to the fact that native people's have been oppressed i the past by Christian missionaries and marrying into german, english, french families who have a long history of Christian beliefs so they were converted in the process leading up to modern times. The modern native people's are struggling to remember who they are especially the youth. I think that if they truly forgot their Christian roots it would help their society.
I have not watched this film, but I am a resident of Cortez and I went to school with Fred. We were in the same grade. I still remember when all of this happened and the shocking horror that such a crime could happen in this little town of ours. Fred was the nicest person ever, funny but quiet. It is unfortunate how rigid people are here when it comes to people with two spirits.
i read about Two Spirits long ago when I was exploring my own mixed-gender condition and was led to believe that two spirits are given roles in Amerindian tribes as spiritual leaders. Then I asked some First Nations people online about it & they had no idea what I was talking about! What is going on with these people that they've lost touch with that part of their culture? It's a tragedy.
@xander7ful I am uncertain, xander7ful, of whether modern Native Americans have forgotten how their culture honored Two Spirit people, or whether the idea that Two Spirits were so honored is a romanticized dream accepted by some as fact. I would prefer the former, as unfortunate as it is, but don't know the real history. That said - whichever may be the case, perhaps we ourselves, today, can at long last come to understand the spiritiual nature of Two Spirits.
Dr. Kenneth Dollarhide, PhD in Religious Studies provides a thoughtful, informative, and authentic perspective regarding gender variant individuals and Native American traditions. An interview is posted on youtube.
colonialism F*cked alot of things up homophobia =sexism= fear of the feminine why does that which is "feminine" have to be a targeted in one way or the other?
Fred is now with the holy people, her body may be gone but her spirit lives on with mother earth and father sky. We Dine should no better, i was tought to treat people with respcted and live in harmony with mother earth. When i was younger tho i hated gay people because i went to church and they tought me it was wrong to be gay and they are all going to hell. but i stop going and my mom taught me traditional ways and ive learned the story of the two spirit peoplefrom my grandma.
Watched this movie last night, It is a powerful message and we all need to better understand the strengths that we all have within us. We (the GLBT community) are the hands of the Creator, together we are the greatest power on this earth.
@lifeseeker1 That is a very interesting question. Originally--from my limited non-tribal understanding-two spirits were men who chose to act like women AND had spiritual powers (many of you already know this definition). They were trans-VESTSTITE --when men dress like women and take on that role. Trans gender is a sex change. In other words, just because you are gay and Indian does not make you two spirited in the strictest sense. You have to be touched by spirit. Any thoughts, anyone??
I've been looking for this movie. It's on my netflix cue but the availability date is unknown. I've just completed a screenplay about two spirits that takes place in the late 1800's
Too sad, that both my tribes don't look at it like 'special' or at least 'normal'. My community where the Navajo reservation is and the Sioux. Neither community I've lived in look at it at 'normal' :/
@nellyfurtado4lyfe While I am a generation or two removed from my Potawatomi roots I can feel where you are coming from there. The potawatomi two-spirits were called M'Netokwe. If one wants to know about them, one has to read of them in a book. :_( That's what they call "progress".
@BrendaQG Related to your tribe is the Ojibwe's "Agokwa"---these people were always there among their tribes--in spite of the white gov'ts/churches efforts to stamp them (like all Indian people) out--and,yes, their christianized people to ostracize them (except traditional elders)
@windstorm1000 what's sad is that some of their own people have been brainwashed by the fearmongering and guilt ridden process of christianization to the point of ostracizing their own people. The native people's need to listen more to their ancestors and how they were then they do to the modern churches.
I screened this movie at The Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center last night which was put on by the "Lifeworks" mentoring program for LGBT Youth.
This movie inspired me and made me cry as well. I am cry some right now thinking about it! It is educational, well put together and I highly recommend it.
Although it is very sad... about Fred, the movie takes you to many places and levels.
Freds story ends up being a thread thru the movie which wraps up at the end reveling the tragic end of Freds life, however, that small thread is woven amongst history and other peoples personal experiences.
This makes it a tapestry of the lives of Two Spirit People and the the people in their lives.
This is a fitting analogy knowing the importance of woven objects telling stories in Native American culture.
It is a story of acceptance and the tragedy in society when that need is breached. That as one light is snuffed out, a hundred more are lit with knowledge, power, understanding & a stronger desire to allow ones self to be accepting of others.
was at the denver premiere. such an important work. to tell the truth, it inspired me to make an entire sitework series on hate crimes ... check out my channel if interested in how one gay artist is abstracting the hate crime threat ... again, thank you for making this movie.
Political and traditional aspects of the subject are so insignificant when one focuses on suffering of a human being torturously killed. I also surprise myself believing that it is justified to punish one who tortured by inflicting exactly the same on him.
I saw the film today at its premier in Denver. The film, the drumming and singing in the auditorium, the talk back afterward and the PFLG reception that followed where I was able to talk to the director, 2 of the people in the film as well as FC's mom is a day that will resonate with me for a long, long time. Thank you for this film.
Fred, or FC as we called him, was a very special friend of many in our community and to me personally; one of my true and closest friend. I was surprised and thrilled to finally hear, today!, that this film was going to be released. I pray for his family as they cope with the loss of a kind, outgoing, and unique person. My love, support and prayers goes especially to his mother, Pauline, who adored, loved, and accepted her precious baby. I love you FC. I will remember you always. ~Mikiah Jerry~
The sad truth is there is always at least two victims of a hate crime! Two lives in the least are turned upside down! The evil is a spirit! It is passed on by people that feel they can do it and not get any repercussions! The ones that spread it sit back and smile as others take the penalty! It is time to stop the fuel! Even if they were voted into office!
Brilliant trailer. It helps viewers know that this is a story which must be told, preserved, and shared with the world. I look forward to watching the full-length documentary film.
The film is currently in the final stages of post-production, and it will be completed and released just as soon as our final fund-raising efforts are successful. We hope to have its official premiere at a major film festival in the fall. The DVD will be released sometime in the late fall of 2009, and we will notify you immediately when it becomes available.
The Facebook group will always have posted the most current information about the film, as well as notices of regional screenings.
rest in peace my two spirited brothers and sisters whom has past, I feel your presence still in this plane embrace us all and guide the ones who live to do the right thing. I pray for strength and courage of your family.
This is an absolutely excellent trailer, about an absolutely horrible tragedy. I'll look for it when it comes out. They look like they'll make a good movie.
Anybody know the song??
EthanCole15 2 weeks ago
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The song at the end of the trailer is Patti Smith's 'Gone Again.'
OrganicBusiness 2 weeks ago
My uncle just got out of jail for covering up the evidence..but he finally said something..if it wasn't for him the body wouldn't of been found..i can't tell you had bad he feels about everything still..he cries..
TheXFantasyXfreak 1 month ago
What is the name of the song at the end?
adrianthewizard 1 month ago
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OrganicBusiness 2 weeks ago
@the1tigglet Actually,I was told that navajo tradition is fading. Gangs,thugs,Meth,domestic violence,single parents... is extremely high on the reservation. Also they've said, when the U.S. economy collapse ,they're going to take back there stolen belongings,and ship the white man back to Europe.
pillowhole 2 months ago
@the1tigglet I live close to the navajo reservation,and I've been to there schools, tc. Native christain's are rare, in the first place. They're more traditional and atheist. Yes,the white man has been teaching atheistism,and a lot of my native friends don't believe nor follow there traditions. So again the white man has caused more damages. I call it ,"two-spirits, screwed by two white man."
pillowhole 2 months ago
I would love to see this film is it completed?
the1tigglet 2 months ago
THE TRUTH:Gay's ,even UGLY natives are not accepted in there own tribe ,it's not tolerable and greatly shun(avoided). Even a straight single christain man are easy targets of being rumored and label gay on the reservation but yet what's accepted is adultery; majority of native women are divorced with children's or single parents or married into other race.They are easy targets for bullying and falsely charged of a crime.Even in prison's there beaten or chased off from yards to yards.
pillowhole 3 months ago
@pillowhole I think it's mainly due to the fact that native people's have been oppressed i the past by Christian missionaries and marrying into german, english, french families who have a long history of Christian beliefs so they were converted in the process leading up to modern times. The modern native people's are struggling to remember who they are especially the youth. I think that if they truly forgot their Christian roots it would help their society.
the1tigglet 2 months ago
Please anyone know the name of this movie? I would like to watch it,thanks
vaniaaguirres1 6 months ago
@vaniaaguirres1 The name is TWO SPIRITS
TwoSpiritsOrg 6 months ago
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OrganicBusiness 2 weeks ago
I have not watched this film, but I am a resident of Cortez and I went to school with Fred. We were in the same grade. I still remember when all of this happened and the shocking horror that such a crime could happen in this little town of ours. Fred was the nicest person ever, funny but quiet. It is unfortunate how rigid people are here when it comes to people with two spirits.
jackiedavis85 7 months ago
This film teaches more Native American history than all the books in the library. It should be shown in all schools and churches. A wonderful film.
chevychase 7 months ago
i read about Two Spirits long ago when I was exploring my own mixed-gender condition and was led to believe that two spirits are given roles in Amerindian tribes as spiritual leaders. Then I asked some First Nations people online about it & they had no idea what I was talking about! What is going on with these people that they've lost touch with that part of their culture? It's a tragedy.
xander7ful 8 months ago
@xander7ful I am uncertain, xander7ful, of whether modern Native Americans have forgotten how their culture honored Two Spirit people, or whether the idea that Two Spirits were so honored is a romanticized dream accepted by some as fact. I would prefer the former, as unfortunate as it is, but don't know the real history. That said - whichever may be the case, perhaps we ourselves, today, can at long last come to understand the spiritiual nature of Two Spirits.
Tigerpaws9097826 7 months ago
Heartbreaking, and eye opening. So very moving.
2mom4fun 8 months ago
I want to watch this. How can I get a copy?
kickchick76 8 months ago
I want to watch this, but I don't have money :(
XXBleedingrose 10 months ago
I'd like to see this movie. Indian and Gay--yah, that's a intersection of two hates, all right.
windstorm1000 11 months ago
Dr. Kenneth Dollarhide, PhD in Religious Studies provides a thoughtful, informative, and authentic perspective regarding gender variant individuals and Native American traditions. An interview is posted on youtube.
LauraW1206 11 months ago
colonialism F*cked alot of things up homophobia =sexism= fear of the feminine why does that which is "feminine" have to be a targeted in one way or the other?
PimpMyParadigm 11 months ago
Fred is now with the holy people, her body may be gone but her spirit lives on with mother earth and father sky. We Dine should no better, i was tought to treat people with respcted and live in harmony with mother earth. When i was younger tho i hated gay people because i went to church and they tought me it was wrong to be gay and they are all going to hell. but i stop going and my mom taught me traditional ways and ive learned the story of the two spirit peoplefrom my grandma.
navajonation20 1 year ago
Watched this movie last night, It is a powerful message and we all need to better understand the strengths that we all have within us. We (the GLBT community) are the hands of the Creator, together we are the greatest power on this earth.
tulmeede 1 year ago
excellent film very tragic, heartbreaking, informative and powerful!
purplepaperhearts809 1 year ago
I'm confused,are my definitions too rigid?
Does 2 Spirits refer to Gays or Trans-gender people?
lifeseeker1 1 year ago
@lifeseeker1
In the ancient times of native americans, there are no "transgendered" people hehe
There were manly women, girly men, and so on...
Two spirited person means having the female and the male spirit in you. Which makes you either, gay, bisexual or a lesbian. =)
lalouse432 1 year ago
@lifeseeker1 That is a very interesting question. Originally--from my limited non-tribal understanding-two spirits were men who chose to act like women AND had spiritual powers (many of you already know this definition). They were trans-VESTSTITE --when men dress like women and take on that role. Trans gender is a sex change. In other words, just because you are gay and Indian does not make you two spirited in the strictest sense. You have to be touched by spirit. Any thoughts, anyone??
windstorm1000 11 months ago
I've been looking for this movie. It's on my netflix cue but the availability date is unknown. I've just completed a screenplay about two spirits that takes place in the late 1800's
gregoriodavila 1 year ago
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@gregoriodavila
That sounds like an interesting project.
lifeseeker1 11 months ago
i am so touched by this story. thank you for sharing this.
DrJeanine 1 year ago
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I must see this.
BrendaQG 1 year ago
where can i see this movie online? and whats the web link?
rockinative 1 year ago
Too sad, that both my tribes don't look at it like 'special' or at least 'normal'. My community where the Navajo reservation is and the Sioux. Neither community I've lived in look at it at 'normal' :/
nellyfurtado4lyfe 1 year ago
@nellyfurtado4lyfe While I am a generation or two removed from my Potawatomi roots I can feel where you are coming from there. The potawatomi two-spirits were called M'Netokwe. If one wants to know about them, one has to read of them in a book. :_( That's what they call "progress".
BrendaQG 1 year ago
@BrendaQG Related to your tribe is the Ojibwe's "Agokwa"---these people were always there among their tribes--in spite of the white gov'ts/churches efforts to stamp them (like all Indian people) out--and,yes, their christianized people to ostracize them (except traditional elders)
windstorm1000 11 months ago
@windstorm1000 what's sad is that some of their own people have been brainwashed by the fearmongering and guilt ridden process of christianization to the point of ostracizing their own people. The native people's need to listen more to their ancestors and how they were then they do to the modern churches.
the1tigglet 2 months ago
@the1tigglet you said it.
windstorm1000 2 months ago
I screened this movie at The Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center last night which was put on by the "Lifeworks" mentoring program for LGBT Youth.
This movie inspired me and made me cry as well. I am cry some right now thinking about it! It is educational, well put together and I highly recommend it.
sobord420 1 year ago
Although it is very sad... about Fred, the movie takes you to many places and levels.
Freds story ends up being a thread thru the movie which wraps up at the end reveling the tragic end of Freds life, however, that small thread is woven amongst history and other peoples personal experiences.
sobord420 1 year ago
This makes it a tapestry of the lives of Two Spirit People and the the people in their lives.
This is a fitting analogy knowing the importance of woven objects telling stories in Native American culture.
It is a story of acceptance and the tragedy in society when that need is breached. That as one light is snuffed out, a hundred more are lit with knowledge, power, understanding & a stronger desire to allow ones self to be accepting of others.
-Randall
sobord420 1 year ago
was at the denver premiere. such an important work. to tell the truth, it inspired me to make an entire sitework series on hate crimes ... check out my channel if interested in how one gay artist is abstracting the hate crime threat ... again, thank you for making this movie.
CatalysticCadence 2 years ago
Really wanna see this film!
LimelightsFaded 2 years ago
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1:29 to 1:45
Is there a place in native america where 2 spirit ppl can marry? How many tribes where 2 spirit ppl are still respected in this way?
2 spirit blackoot
sleekcartim 2 years ago
Political and traditional aspects of the subject are so insignificant when one focuses on suffering of a human being torturously killed. I also surprise myself believing that it is justified to punish one who tortured by inflicting exactly the same on him.
eworkflow 2 years ago
I saw the film today at its premier in Denver. The film, the drumming and singing in the auditorium, the talk back afterward and the PFLG reception that followed where I was able to talk to the director, 2 of the people in the film as well as FC's mom is a day that will resonate with me for a long, long time. Thank you for this film.
septimuswarren1 2 years ago
Enter it at Big Sky in Missoula Montana, we need it here.
JohnAuztin 2 years ago
Please consider using more appropriate music. It's too saccharine, generic, and light-hearted for the subject matter.
superstition2 2 years ago
Fred, or FC as we called him, was a very special friend of many in our community and to me personally; one of my true and closest friend. I was surprised and thrilled to finally hear, today!, that this film was going to be released. I pray for his family as they cope with the loss of a kind, outgoing, and unique person. My love, support and prayers goes especially to his mother, Pauline, who adored, loved, and accepted her precious baby. I love you FC. I will remember you always. ~Mikiah Jerry~
jerikiah 2 years ago
Wow, I defenitley need to watch this! Thanks for posting this on YouTube!
xmexdf1 2 years ago
The sad truth is there is always at least two victims of a hate crime! Two lives in the least are turned upside down! The evil is a spirit! It is passed on by people that feel they can do it and not get any repercussions! The ones that spread it sit back and smile as others take the penalty! It is time to stop the fuel! Even if they were voted into office!
RainbowDefender 2 years ago
Brilliant trailer. It helps viewers know that this is a story which must be told, preserved, and shared with the world. I look forward to watching the full-length documentary film.
art101tv 2 years ago
i need to see this film !!!!
rays2crazy 2 years ago
The film is currently in the final stages of post-production, and it will be completed and released just as soon as our final fund-raising efforts are successful. We hope to have its official premiere at a major film festival in the fall. The DVD will be released sometime in the late fall of 2009, and we will notify you immediately when it becomes available.
The Facebook group will always have posted the most current information about the film, as well as notices of regional screenings.
TwoSpiritsOrg 2 years ago
rest in peace my two spirited brothers and sisters whom has past, I feel your presence still in this plane embrace us all and guide the ones who live to do the right thing. I pray for strength and courage of your family.
princessadiamond 2 years ago
This is an absolutely excellent trailer, about an absolutely horrible tragedy. I'll look for it when it comes out. They look like they'll make a good movie.
anotsoquietmind 2 years ago
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I will have to check this out!
markkitee 2 years ago
i wish i couldve seen it, but my car broke down. can i download it?
werehyenataur 2 years ago
i just saw this tonight at Outfest. Thank you so much for making this important film!!!
Barbaraplease 2 years ago