Organizing the World's Scientific Information by Date and Author is Making Mother Earth Sick

[47f0]

Yeah, see, here's the deal. If you're dealing with the quality of Blatz Beer, there are a great many consumers available for rating one of many, many fairly low-cost items. When it comes to something like climate science, here's what happens - there just aren't that many climate scientists on the planet, there are only a handful of relevant policy makers, and... what happens when ExxonMobil makes a bunch of sock-puppet accounts to rate the climate science?

[cjmackay01]

A public good denied camelswithhammers FTB

[IvanMarinIvkovich]

Lol at Obama proposal. Like the control structure cares about it.

[IceFritzLanger]

Unbelievable. Thank you.

[cjmackay01]

If information needs to be shared for the common good, surely that information must become a public good. Really the issue is intellectual property rights. It would seem we face paradigm shifts in many of our ecosystems, it would be a shame if private property rights impede or obstruct necessary responses.

[davyjames]

@cjmackay01 Intellectual property is not real property. That's where teh confusion comes in. Property rights are are good thing because they deal with scarce resources and thus need a way to be fairly allotted as they can't be used by everybody at the same time. Intellectual property, however, is just a legal fiction invented by government's and entrenched interests. Ideas, songs, words etc. are not property, they can be replicated without taking it away from another person.

[quannump]

science is a process, technology (products of the science process) is applied science.

[lmaka1]

@Luke1d20

That's what you got out of this presentation? Are you juvenile or just obtuse?

[thelifeexamined]

I just graduated with a Ph.D. in Aerospace Engineering. The recommendation engine and quality metrics Kristen suggests would be great for research (weight according to reviewer quality ranking?). I index my database of engineering papers for QUALITY, but this is individualized and it is hard to share, even on my own website (copyright issues). The site could highlight review papers to help new researchers get up to speed. Pulling math/data automatically from papers=monumental task/significance.

[rprnorg]

Hasn't she used CiteULike?

[ulybaZZa]

The problem is mostly created by scientists themselves. If the articles were freely available on the internet and would reference other articles (which would also be freely available on the internet), google ranking algorithm would do the rest.

[jonesdoe1]

@ulybaZZa I agree with what you are saying and as a science student I would completely agree on abolishing paywalls completely. It would definitely solve some of the problem, but that is not going to completely solve the problem. If you listen to the talk carefully, she acknowledges the paywall problem but the problem she is addressing is the relevance of science to what you are looking for as ranked by the people who actually know best, the scientists working in the field. coordination.

[ulybaZZa]

@jonesdoe1 Well, google ranking is similar to citation index, the inadequacy of which she mentions. I however think that citation index is not as bad as she presents it. Surely there are papers that reference other papers just to refute or critique them, but I doubt that massively referenced paper could be completely irrelevant or not interesting. It might not be the latest accepted knowledge, but it's hard to imagine that it wouldn't have some interesting original content.

[ulybaZZa]

@jonesdoe1 Well, google ranking is similar to citation index, the inadequacy of which she mentions. I however think that citation index is not as bad as she presents it. Surely there are papers that reference other papers just to refute or critique them, but I doubt that massively referenced paper could be completely irrelevant or not interesting. It might not be the latest accepted knowledge, but it's hard to imagine that it wouldn't have some interesting original content.

[ulybaZZa]

@jonesdoe1 Ranking based on citations in the whole internet would also better reflect the interest of general public. Papers on hot topics would get a big boost to their citation index coming from blogs, news, etc.

[121awesometim]

@ulybaZZa what do you mean its the scientists faults? Scientific Publishers are responsible for access issues....scientists would MUCH rather have their articles be open access.

[ulybaZZa]

@121awesometim If they'd rather have the articles be open access, why don't they publish them? Publishers are part of the problem, of course, but if scientists didn't work with the ones who lock down the information, everything would be open.

[121awesometim]

@ulybaZZa short answer is: it is very expensive (thousands of dollars) to publish open access. There is actually a boycott of the worst publisher right now...let's hope it works so we can keep science out there for everyone!

[ulybaZZa]

@121awesometim Perhaps I don't understand something, but publishing stuff on the web is pretty much for free. Isn't it?

[121awesometim]

@ulybaZZa Unfortunately, no. Journal publications are the currency of academia & are effective ways to disseminate since they are indexed in sci databases. If you just put the document on your own website, for Ex, then you wouldn't have benefits of publishing in journals, namely the credibility that comes with it being peer-reviewed & "accepted" by other experts (*IF* its accepted) & the indexing in sci databases. Some scientists put summarized findings on their own websites for public

[121awesometim]

@ulybaZZa Yes, its lame. Some journals charge people $30 just to read a paper. And academic institutions have to pay tens of thousands of dollars to gain access. Publishing costs money for them...but not that much!

[quantumG]

Ya know, if you ignore the treefucker content, this is actually an interesting talk.

[militantmindset]

@quantumG hahahahaha i hate splinters

[Icispanit]

@Luke1d20 when he says mother earth what is he talking about?

[timlandscheidt]

I probably said it already at another video, but the background noise is just plain rude. Are we really to believe that hiring Googlers yields a bunch of sociopaths lacking any manners? I think that inviting someone for a talk means also that one should provide them some basic courtesy.

[leptonsoup337]

Kristen: you mention PDF accumulating software... any specific suggestions?