I know some might say the burning of the bosom was Mormon and they would be right. It did not start with them as Sweedenborgism saw this happen in Germany when many Lutherans in Germany saw Lutherism as a dead ritualistic religion where they adopted a belief called Pietism(where the whole burning bosom originated). They abandoned their seminaries and because of this-this is where higher criticism was developed- Mormons co-opted this and celestial marriage straight from sweedenborgism
Google free books will show Lucifers Trust was in existance before the name change. It was interesting to see how things turned out in those days.The person who most spoke against Christianity as a modernist was named Harry Emerson Fosdick.He was slated to go through a heresy trial in his denomination-represented by John Foster Dulles(would be secretary of state and very much at the origins of the UN.) Well there was no trial-he resigned and had a church bought for him by John D Rockafeller Jr.
There is nothing new about New Age or New Thought it is just recycled heresies such as Gnosticism and Manechiesm. There is a great battle going on which started with Cain and Able, and continued shortly after King Solomon and continues to this day with Masonic / New Age / Theosopy /Occult and so forth. Wake up people ! Whose side are you on, the Messiah or the dark side ? Either you want to serve Christ or oneself. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise there IS NO inbetween.
@purnapoosmom I am a Valentinian Gnostic Christian and I have no more to do with the occult than you do. I may be a "Heretic" but I'm not a pagan, I used to be an evangelical minister. Perhaps we should learn from the source of peoples faith instead. Jesus didn't tell us to go to church, he told us to BE the church. So what's with the Jesus Inc. Church institutions? There are many Gnostic beliefs and not all are Christian. I don't buy into the NWO anymore than Rosser does.
I was called the Antichrist in 2000 by Australian Government Radio - ABC and I did some really weird things they were scared of me. So now I joined the theosophical society to advance my skills and help the New World Order. They sure aren't into Jesus so must be my destiny for the master plan.
Oh come on, you're not still repeating those tired old lies?! There has never been anyone like Jesus Christ in the world. No one in the world of true scholarship supports the Zeitgeist myth. See Chris White and Keith Truth for a great debunking of Zeitgeist. Bro - be on the side of truth - God loves you and Satan wants to destroy you. Don't be fooled by the 'Lucifer is the good guy' story either - Lucifer is just the PR arm of Satan
. Repent and come back to God while there is still time.
@ChristianScholarship not to get conspiratorial, but "priests" have certaintly rivaled or surpassed civil leaders throughout history. the catholic church, levite preists, ect.
i once read herodotus' book, considered the first true historian. a recurring theme in that book is kings from various countries constantly consulting the oracles before any major action, such as war.
none of the gospel writers met Jesus if even existed. the the gospels were written after 70 AD. none of the disciples(alleged) would of been alive then.where is the evidence of the gospels he is talking about?not one scholar documented the life of Christ. Josephus never met Jesus and there is evidence that his mention of Jesus was a forgery. nothing about jesus is original. he is a solar cult archetype.
@robaquarian im not defending christianity,but this zeitgiest crap is even more ridiculous. all you astrotheologists/theosophists/zeitgiest believers are just as crazy as other religionists.
@mebe84 to claim that christianity is based on astro theology does not mean that you believe in astro theology. why do you assume i am into zeitgeist? i study tim freke. and the zeitgiest movment is atheist not a mystical religious movment. so waht are you talking about?
@robaquarian i'm not familiar with tim freke, but the zeitgeist movie on religion has the same premise, it seems. jesus was an incarnation of an older pagan myth as well as an archetypal metaphor for the sun. it makes numerous comparisons between jesus and pagan gods, the vast majority of which are simply false and disputed by almost every scholar and professor of history and religion that has commented on it.
why do u think none of the disciples lived past 60 or 70 yrs old?it's not impossible
@mebe84 your not defending Christianity? ive seen zeitgeist and i agree with it. its just a coincidence that attis,horus,dionysus,adonis,krishna etc were born of virgins had 12 disciples etc all before the jesus myth? the only one defending christ's existence are Christians. not one contemporaneous scholar talks of jesus. Josephus is a forgery. i doubt you've even seen zeitgeist. there is no evidence the disciples ever existed or that they wrote the gospels. the gospels are also contradictory
@robaquarian i'm not defending christianity. i just care about what is true or not. can u please give some evidence for your claim that all those pagan gods had 12 disciples. perhaps something other than the now debunked zeitgeist sources of acharya s.(who has absolutely no credentials) and the 19th century druid gerald massey.it's so funny when rabid anti-christians fall for the same type of spiritualist nonsense they pretend to condemn. don't be a hypocrite.hold ur own belief to same standard.
@mebe84 its bullshit and they dont have such proof, these idiots are trying to start their own religion in the name of theosophy... if the were real about their beliefs then they would condemn theosophy along with all religions.
@robaquarian and have u looked into horus and the teachings or did you just take the movie zeitgeist for face value without proving any of the details presented in the movie. HAHHAHAhAhahAHA OMG BWAAAHAHAHha, no wonder the elites claim you idiots DESERVE to be their slaves, cause ur a bunch of morons that believe anything told to them with out ever proving it for yourself.
@robaquarian Zeitgeist is complete and total bullshit. They make totally false comparisons and analyzations. I suggest you do research into how every little thing about Zeitgeist Part 1 is bullshit.
@LifeLibertyLove So do you just speak in assertions wheres your argument? i new Jesus was based on syncretic greek godmen before zeitgeist. why dotn you tell the facts? so the fact that attis osiris dionysus zarathustra,adonis,many other solar dietites have many of the same qualities as the fiction jesus is false?jesus is a piece of shit and so is hisYahweh. you a weak minded idiot if you buy into that bullshit. zero evidence that Jesus ever existed at all. nothing about Christianity is original
@robaquarian LOL Jesus has no major similarities to the greek godmen whatsoever!!!! In fact I can find way more similarities to the egyption gods and Jesus! Zarathustra is not a God he is a man!!! You call Zarathurstra a solar deity LOLOL. The only one speaking in assertions is you, you babel and think you know everything. You say zero evidence for Jesus well you obviously are the idiot here.
ding ding ding, alarm bells like crazy right out of the gate. Mormon? Freemasonry in disguise? Mormons don't worship Christ, they are compass and square all the way. Look at their temple, look at the roots of their movement, the lies that started it. Brigham Young married little child girls, Joseph Smith was a liar, practiced withcraft and on and on. The best thing to do with a Mormon is ignore them. Do you own prayer and read your own bible. God comes to you where ever you are.
@ChristianScholarship The dishonesty is coming from the Priest Class who have been running this world since time immemorial. Anyway I'm done have a good life and don't live in fear the way religion wants you to live. peace
@ChristianScholarship Do you have evidence there is a hell? No you don't unless you have personally been there,then you have no evidence either. It's just more lies from the Priest Class to control through fear.
@mindmelt13 For quite a few accusing fundamentalism as unable to function without certainty, seems quite a leap of accusing of no evidance(hell) as basically fundamentalism is built and centered on faith(that which we cannot prove or would not be faith).
@ChristianScholarship That's my opinion after looking at this subject for the last 40 years. I was raised in Christianity and after doing my own research and not just trusting the words of the Priest Class that is my conclusion. I believe in the Creator that's it, not some BS dogma written by men that want to control humanity through fear of what happens after the physical body dies.
If anything is occult (hidden), it is the truth that is purportedly buried somewhere in the ramblings of christian preachers/beggars and the bible. It's ironic that those who seek to shed light on the truth are labeled occultists by those who dwell in mystery and metaphor and unsubstantiated faith.
Benjamin Creme is gonna burn, this false prophet and Satan lover will perish in the lake of fire...does he even realise this, I wonder what will go through his mind when he realises what he has done to mankind...I would definately not want to be in his shoes when he faces the wrath of God. YahWeh Lives Amen :oD
@xxFairestxx Spoken like a true superior then thou christian. Get off your ego trip. I'm not afraid to die at all, the Creator is all that matters to me not you superior attitude.
The book of Revelations is a screen play written by the priest class, to keep the profane masses in a state of fear. Which makes them easy to manipulate and control through their fear.
iI what i believe inspires me to do good in the world what's the problem? We are judged by the good work we do -forget the labels.
When the time comes God will judge me, my heart and my intentions -not my fellow-man. Last time I checked the bible wanted us to do good and love thy fellow man. I can't feel any love in what you're saying.
Is it love love to tell a man to trust in himself (his divinity) and that through repetitive incarnations he can achieve perfection - godhood? Or, to tell the truth - that all men are sinners - fall short of the glory of God - and cannot save himself. Jesus said he came to save sinners - all men. But only the weak and foolish in the eyes of the world accept him. The strong, wise, religious, and mystical-minded occultist go on toiling to justify themselves. Love is to tell people the truth.
I have and it is. Why? because it is antichrist (denies or substitutes another for the Father's only Christ) as revealed by Jesus, the one and only Christ, and those who ate, drank, worked with, and were commissioned by Him to be His witnesses. Now, you have a choice. You can trust in your "divinity" and hope to evolve to perfection by multiple incarnations (talk about suffering), or simply believe the Good News that SIMPLE faith in the sacrifice of Jesus perfects forever those who trust in him.
Yes many lies, Gnosticism, Urantia book, universal truth, universal salvation and all these lies. And in the end people will believe God as just a universal sea of energy without a personality, no hell, no Satan, no sin and procliam everyone as God. Everyone will believe the Jesus of gnosticism and called the true Jesus of Christianity false, One religion, One Order
the stumbling block here for many ppl is that they think Christianity can be explained by logic...not so...so many things are illogically if you base your faith only to the extent you can explain something (logically), you dont believe. AMEN TO SOULFULCOMMUTE. stay strong
providence is the christian belief that all things work toward the glory of god. sin is the idea that an act can offend god. do you see the contradiction here.
christians believe that god is inept. if they didnt believe this then they would not believe in sin or judgement. because how can a perfect thing be judged? this leads to the idea of seperation which leads to treating people of different beliefs inhumainly
actually, sinners are here FOR those who follow GOD: to draw them Closer to Him, understanding how much More they need Him...plus All belongs To God, so all will be given back to Him, meaning even the kingdom Of the sinner. Also if we did believe God is inept (nonbelievers do). That would Not be the conclusion anyways...And this belief does Not make Christians treat everyone else inhumainly, it's a Sin NOT To Love thy neighbor as thyself.
the first point I will aquest, conceed. but I would like to say that I dont believe there is anything to be saved from. I cant imagine an enlightend being causing any sentient being to experience anything aginst there will.
you didnt say how christians do not believe god is inept. you did not address the questions I raised, i.e., if somthing offends then does that imply error. error on the part of the creator. or if providence is right then what porpuse does judgement serve?
Sinful nature is what we need to be saved from because it causes Death ...An enlightened being causing a sentient being to experience against their will does not happen. & Inept means lacking sense or reason, That's why we don't believe God is inept ...no sentient would follow someone that they percieve to be 'inept'. And sin IS error in view of the Creator SO judgement is necessary because WE have been given FREE WILL to decide what We are going to do: be Obedient or Disobedient.
so if you are saved from sinfull nature you dont die? no need to answer that. could you imagine being imortal here? you would go insane.
"...sin IS error..." so you dont believe in providence. i.e, providence is in error. so god can make mistakes. as w/ the flood, remember the rainbow. so why follow a god that makes mistakes? the only thing that makes sense is that god does not make mistakes. which means we are perfect, incapable of offending god. hence, sin is an illusion.
The wages of sin is Death, that's why all human flesh dies, we were born Into sin. Saved means born INTO the body of Jesus Christ whereas the Second Death (Judgement) has no power over us. Providence includes God appointing us to either be saved or not which He did Before the foundations of this Earth by His Son Jesus. If your nature is locked into sinfullness, in the kingdom of Heaven you'll only spread Death: unacceptable when ETERNAL LIFE Only exists if Death does not. God IS in Control.
He's doing this to prepare His Bride which is made up of those of us that He Choses. Kind of like when the 49ers went to the brooks to find Gold: you wouldn't call it error if they picked up the Rocks in their pans to filter out the Gold: the Gold is AMONGST the rocks.
this is the problem with believers. you all think that part of gods creation is "rocks." so god creates flaw. this implies god is flawed, dont you get that. drop all the gobuly-gook language and just think and answer w/ logic and reason. If there is flaw in the creation then the creator must be flawed. if you need more proof you believe in a flawed creator look at the flood where she openly said she made a mistake
LOL, well at least i did try to break it down for you....but exactly like the Bible says: His Word will sound like rubbish to those who are perishing. read it again...
you never responded to anyhting I posted. every christian has these cliches they memorize to keep them from thinking. You cannot follow logical reasoning and nothing you say has any meaning. study logic
logic is asking the person who you're inquiring about for the answers to your questions, you should try that...it's called Praying! And you won't get an anwser if you don't believe you will, so cool down...this is for those who don't need to SEE things in order to believe them...kind of like you typing to Me (someone you've never seen before) & being assured that i'll respond back...it took you Trying it to know that it works..try to pray and then WAIT for the answer! Lol, it may take a while
mkrulic517439 just wanted to say that God created what was good, explicitly stated in the Bible. But knowing it was gonna fall, and allowed it to happen so that CHrist would come and reign over death through the glorious cross. Bible says that CHrist was planned to come before the foundations of the earth. The problem here is that your trying to understand something that you dont believe in. Bible commands: repent and believe and YOU will be saved. much love bro (or sis)
god created what was good? maybe that is your understanding of god. you believe god can make mistakes. I believe god is perfect. so god created perfection, hence no fall.
"we were born into this..." so you believe we were flawed from birth. then the creation is not perfect. if the creation is not perfect the creator is not perfect. so we can be saved or not, and this was known before the fondations of the earth. ok, say she knew I would not be saved. is it possible to choose this salvation? If I do then she would have been wrong about what she knew. If she cant be wrong then I cannot be saved. providence implies perfection. you either believe god is perfect or
The soul is a spirit? This answers absolutely nothing. It only fuels further questions. If the soul is a spirit, what is a spirit? ....And who is to say that there are "places" after death, even assuming there is an afterlife? The mind cannot comprehend anything but this existence. That is why it bases fantasy afterlife scenarios on events from this life.
So, how does a soul burn? ...A soul is not material... Only material things can burn. ...Right? ....Can you explain to me: 1. What a soul is? And 2. How it is possible that a soul can burn?
A soul is a spirit. and when a soul is in hell she will be tormented by a real fire, only this fire is not material, not of this earth. it will not consume the soul only give pain. This is possible because of the will of God who has designed the place of torment for the fallen angels (not for men,in the first place). hell is a particular place, and the fire which burns there is a real fire just as real as fire is here on earth.
and you won't die because you are ignorant, you will be educated.
If you can't learn then you will fade away and break down with the old system and its traditions and rules that you cling too.
The new system will be based on agreements and fact based evidence. metaphorically and literally we are all one energy manifest in form. It has been proven, and evidence should be enough to convince everyone.
We will not be like the christians who kill people for disagreement. you would just miss out.
Christian's kill people over disagreements? David's poo, listen up. People kill people over disagreements. It's really that simple. What those people are labeled as or label themselves as doesn't really matter. It's a widespread phenomenon, part of human nature, and if you do not address the problem from that perspective, you are blissfully ignorant of reality.
People don't just kill people over disagreements and it's not part of human nature. We are Products of our environment/culture.
(ignorance is inherent in the abrahamic religions/superstitious world view. Example: Faith)
"without religion you'd have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things... but for good people to do bad things it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg
Obviously this is a nature/nurture argument. I think we can both agree that most behavior is nurtured.
Good people doing good things? Bad people doing bad things? That is such an erroneous statement by Weinberg. There aren't good and bad people. There are just people. And people have a natural tendency to promote self interest. You can't disagree with that without invoking moral law, at least in logic, and that would make your world view ironically hypocritical (aka Weinberg, the idiot).
you're right, good and bad are judgments from a perspective.
(many people have different definitions of faith)
if faith is believing without evidence, and without question, then faith IS ignorance.
Ignoring mountains of evidence to believe in an an abstraction/mental projection, IS definitely IGNORANCE not to mention arrogance. Especially when its obviously based on a book of contradictions and myths assimilated and stolen from different cultures.
The mountains of evidence you speak of are gathered through the spectrum of abstraction and mental projection and our system of language. There is no tangible objective reality outside of this vehicle of perception. So how about a real argument...? No?
If your going to make claims about things happening in an objective reality (like jesus walking on water or rising from the dead) your going to need agreements like language to be able to talk about these things. Just because the map is not the territory doesn't mean that there is no territory. it also doesn't mean that the things the map points to are illusory.
you can't back up christian claims by trying to act like there is no objective reality, that is just absurd. (not to mention untrue.)
I'm not saying there is no objective reality. I'm saying that it is your belief and your assumptions that allow you to perceive objective reality. You can't back up scientific claims by trying to act like you are outside of objective reality, observing objective reality. That is absurd.
Gnostic's were the original Christians. The orthodox Christians take there myths literally and also misunderstand the terms gnostics use because they take them literally.
the bible is just a cluster fuck of contradictory mythology not historical literal fact.
The convergence of political, miltary, economic & religion all has its roots in "Babel". It's thread is pagan, just as the Catholic church is none other than converted pagans. Global unity has it's roots in Babylonia, from the days of NImrod and Semiramis. They wanted to unite & build a tower, so they canm be their own gods, etc. So God struck them w/ confusion and scattered them
im sorry to all christians i may have offended with my rantings on this subject.. but i was just providing an atheist perspective on the whole thing that i feel makes alot more sense than anyone elses theory of this being the "end of the world" or that they are actually "reptilian Annunaki".. i just think people are gullable and that the truth is that we dont know the true nature of things outside what we can observe.. and i feel that Buddhism is just a means for this observation. alrite im done
Interesting objective....I agree that mainstream Christianity has made religion into a brainwashing cult. However the original "Church" was not a brainwashing scam. It did not resemble any of these ministries to this day. It is evident that the thread of Babylon (Papacy) has taken over w/ much political and monetary maneuvering, as a means to gain control.
I personally feel that what we are witnessing within the Church & Government, is the the same goal..."There is nothing new under the sun." --Ecclesiastes.
The defected Church signifies none other than The Great Apostasy, does not negate however true Christianity-- The Underground Church, an entity not made by hands, nor controlled by the likes of ANY man or sytem/organization. Nor will this "organism" bow its knee to mammon and the approval of anyone or anything toher than the Amighty.
i actually kind of agree.. i mean i dont believe in any superstition, basically im atheist/agnostic, but i like the attitude against stuff you dont believe in (apostasy). i find that quite honorable and courageous that you are willing to stand up against the social pressure of the masses. so i commend you for that.
Christianity is a campaign of the Bloodlines.. and THEY ARE NOT ANNUNAKI.. they want to be worshipped as "god-men" or "sons of god", just like in Babylon, Egypt, and Sumer, so they make up bullshit like this. The NWO will either be good, or they will slaughter a bunch of people and reinstate dark ages Vatican rule under "Jesus" (some illuminati douschebag), and call it the Kingdom of God, once again the "King of Kings" being worshipped as the "Son of God"... its all a big mindfuck u sheep
This is all fear mongering. Christianity is increasingly becoming more and more of a bad joke along with Islam and Judaism.
Such barbaric and violent scriptures you all have. So much death and suffering caused by works of fiction. The world is "growing up" but those faiths are not.
It is inevitable that the Theosophical Society's message of Esoteric Buddhism will be embraced by the Global Community because the path we are on now is simply not sustainable.
true but then the leaders of the "Global Community" will probably use its truth as an excuse to bring us under their rule, then use go Hitler on us, depopulate a bunch of people, then bring back strict Christianity through old school brainwashing (telling kids they'll go to hell if they don't buy the BS) and just bring us back to the dark ages under the Vatican cause its that much easier to control people under Judaic bullshit religions like Christianity.. haha idk i dont trust the elite
@ShaktipatSage Really? I have a hard time seeing this as God who created the world Captured the spirit childeren and thus why Lucifer seen as freeing Adam and Eve by teaching the knowledge-knowledge of good and evil. Some how this quite opposite of what is taught inj the bible
Such books were written hundreds of years ago. Meditation is not a new thing to Christianity. In fact, it is said that Christian Mysticism has been around as long as Christianity has. And meditation and mysticism go hand in hand.
Though, I don't necessarily believe Blavatsky's ideas about one root race and one root religion. But if one skims through Isis Unveiled or The Secret Doctrine you will see that she was very knowledgeable about religion. I've read a few theosophist books and they're very informative, actually. Even if you don't consider yourself to be a theosophist, they've written books that are worth reading.
Blavatsky was a Lucifarian. She has nothing to offer me except some knowledge as to how the Antichrist will come, and even that would be taken with a grain of salt.
For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? (2 Corinthians 6:14(b)-15(a))
"You are not experiencing God through meditation but demonic spirits."
Can you please explain to me how there is any such way that you could possibly know this? Because if you're not an incarnation of God, then you must be making some pretty large assumptions here.
I think the goal of many Theosophists are the same goals as Buddhists or Hindus. And that is perfection of the soul over lifetimes. And in this way I can relate to them.
That is easy. Read the Word of God. Compare what you draw out from meditation with what the Bible says. Do these practices bring you closer to the God of Isreal, the God of the Bible or does it draw you away?
the "god of israel" is the single most disgusting brainwashing justification for genocide EVER.. meditation helps bring you closer to "enlightenment" that is understanding the true nature of things and their spiritual existence and go on with this to create good things.. The bible is designed specifically to make sure that people don't do this and we remain in a fucked up world controlled by a small elite who understands that most people believe in bullshit.
"I think the goal of many Theosophists are the same goals as Buddhists or Hindus. And that is PERFECTION OF THE SOUL OVER LIFETIMES. And in this way I can relate to them."
This is a good example of what I'm talking about. The Bible denies reincarnation altogether. It rather teaches that there is only ONE life that after that the Judgment (Heb 9:27).
Only of these 2 ways is true, they CANNOT BOTH BE TRUE.
or it could all be bullshit hahaha.. but i think gnosticism/theosophy is more likely to be true.. Christianity is just a bunch of stories stolen from allegories designed to explain the old gnostic and egyptian teachings.. then applied to fulfill Jewish prophecy to conform to Judaism which is the single most disgusting pile of garbage ever created.. no offense to jewish race, but the OT is a disgusting egotistical work and i would be ashamed if it were the basis of my culture..
I don't doubt that Christians have experiences. But probably mainly their esoteric followers and mystics, as they meditate. I believe the Divine can be worshiped in whatever form you prefer, Christ included. But The Bible is NOT the be all end all of spiritual writings. There are many streams that lead to the same lake. Some run faster than others.
What about Hindus who accept Christ as God, but not the only form of God? Are they spiritually dead too? They do, after all, accept Christ.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
The rub in not in thinking that Jesus Christ is A way to God but that He is THE WAY to God. NO ONE will find anything but Hell by seeking God by any other way.
There are 2 different paradigm shifts. Transformation is not bound to the articles of Theosophy or the New Age cult. There is an an army mobilizing that will resist the NWO....to the death. These were born for such a time and they know who they are.
I don't believe hell or Satan exist. Are you a Christian? Do you think non Christians go to hell? If so then you are a hypocrite. If not then your not a hypocrite.
The New Age is just a collection of old age beliefs packaged to make them appear new and exiting to the youth.
the eyes of their heart would be opened to the light of the truth, which is the Son of God....I DO NOT shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. I despise religion and the institional Church, as it promotes condemnation and religious pride, of which I abhor.
But by stating Jesus is the son of God that is dogma, just like the new age. I don't mind when people like David Icke say the new age is a cult because he exposes religion as well. So do you think people who don't believe Jesus was the son of God will burn in hell? I have my own views of God but I keep them to myself as I believe everyone has the right to view God however he or she wants.
seonf: I think it would be wise for you to search the scriptures for yourself and come up w/ ur own "answer". I feel ur askng me this to ensnare me into saying something u want to nail me with. Isn't that what the Pharisees did to Jesus? U ALREADY know the answer to what ur asking me.
I want to make a point. You accuse the new age movement of being a cult but at the same time Christians say anyone who doesn't believe in the same things I do is going to burn in hell. To me that is cult like behavior. Some even say God needs money lol God is the creator of the universe. If he needed money he would make it appear out of thin air.
Cult: A religion or sect that is "considered" unorthodox. Extremist; or....false; who lives outside of "conventional" society; under the direction of a charismatic leader; veneration; religious practice...
Cults = Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and any other superstitious bullshit.
Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism are just systems of enlightenment and ancient wisdom not "religions" in the sense that the "orthodox" ones are.. those are BRAINWASHING cults designed to empower their designers (the bloodlines and secret societies aka "SATANISTS")
If you are in any way familiar w the Gospels, you'll know that money was the furthest thing from Jesus' ministry. He told the religious leaders that tried to ensnare Him w trick questions (about taxes), to render unto Caesar, what is Caesars, but to God, what is God's....
You asked me if I believe that "non Christians" will burn in hell. What an unfair question!
Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but rather redeem it, for the world friend...is already condemned. Christ out of love and humility, came so that we could have life and more abundantly.
So...if one does go to hell, I personally believe it's because that person refused the free gift of salvation thru the redemptive work of the cross. God sends No one to hell...people are given a choice, as God does not impose His will on anyone.
So seonf, since u r so intersted in what I believe (remember u asked)....I would like for u to carefully consider this...God could have demonstrated power to the entire world, but instead He chose one of the most difficult paths....become human and endure a horrific cross. He chose to demonstrate love. No greater love friend, then for a brother to lay down his life for another. There is nothing greater than that kind of love. It is a love we cannot comprehend.
no it isnt people give their lives for each other all the time.. ask any war veteran (sadly they are pawns in a global bullshit profit/death machine). this story is a nonsensical amalgamation of a bunch of ancient ALLEGORIES (MYTHS) describing universal truths.. the NWO may claim to be offering the truth in Buddhist type PHILOSOPHIES, but they will use that to appease people into giving them power. they will then probably reinstate Vatican rule and bring us back to dark ages(after mass genocide)
Therefore, it's easier to degrade and down play Jesus, because in reality not one of us would die for any person that hated us, nor would we sacrice our child for a world that hated us. But God chose to do that, because His message was/is this: I love you, but words are not enough, so allow Me to prove it".....No other religion, cult, organization or what have you, woulfd EVER sacrifice for you...ever.
So when a few hundred people believe something that is considered "unorthodox or Extremist" it's a cult. When a few thousand people believe it it is faith and we should respect it.
That's my point. How is believing anyone who doesn't believe in the same things you do will burn in hell any better than the new age? How is it not cult like behavior?
The religious, intellectual, prideful mind could never receive or fathom this...which is why even the religious leaders that claimed to "know" God, crucified the very one they boasted in knowing.....and He let them.
Also Jesus told his followers to give away their money! Why would he change his mind when he died I guess I'm preaching to the choir. But i believe God is one. I think if Jesus existed he was at the very least a prophet. But your entitled to your beliefs just as I am and I don't want to push mine onto anyone except my hatred of hypocrisy I just don't get how Christians can easily call other people's religions a cult yet defend themselves as a legitimate religion.
"Also Jesus told his followers to give away their money!" He was pushing NWO communism even back then.. guess who got the money when churches preached that shit? THE VATICAN.. fucking DUH.. just like in Russia.. "satanists" run all this shit cause they know how to call their own bullshit. Its all different ways to keep people fighting about the UNKNOWN (which is UNKNOWN!!) while they monopolize power and profit.. the NWO is out 2 destroy the freedom we have from internet and science (educat.)
As individuals, shouldn't we seek truth anywhere we can find it? Whether its Christianity, Judaism, Gnosticism, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism,ect.. The truly religious test teachings by experiencing them, experience is the key to anything spiritual, not belief alone. Stop following the blind herd and seek your own truth. Or at least know the truths of your own religion, read about Esoteric Christianity. Try a book called "Inner Christianity: A Guide to the Esoteric Tradition".
Ever notice how people of eastern religions (or those who follow their spiritual practices) are generally much happier than the people on this video? Well, thats no coincidence! The only good to come from Christianity, aside from Christ himself, are their mystics. Those who are actually interested in experiencing God are those who are truly religious. Regardless of what religion they practice...or whether they practice none of them.
The brainwashed. Its truly sad hearing ignorant people try to convey truth. If he practiced yoga and meditation he might just come to some truth through experience and stop having to rely on false blind belief. "Behold, the kingdom of God is within you." How exactly, for Christians, does that translate to a God separate from his creation which cannot be reached until death? People like this never even consider the esoteric aspects of their religion. I hope all the misled open their minds.
"Behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21). This quote from Jesus Christ does NOT advocate some esoteric experience but speaks of the new birth that every true Christian has. Jesus was speaking of being born again. Those who are without Jesus Christ are spiritually dead being separated from the Father. Only through Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins can someone experience life.
John wrote about this in 1 John 1:1-3 when he wrote that Jesus Christ IS eternal life.
Those without Christ are spiritually dead? Right.....so all the saints and monks of other religions are spiritually dead in your opinion? That is ridiculous, sorry. At least gnostics, hindus, buddhists, theosophists, ect.. have something to base thier faith on, experience. Exoteric followers of Christianity aren't interested in experiencing the Divine, only reading about it in a book.
Christians DO have experience. We experience the Holy Spirit in our lives. ONE of the things that the Holy Spirit does is confirms the TRUTH of the Bible.
Here is a little project for you...Please read the New Testament (or only the book of Acts or ONE of Paul's epistles) and take any and all reference to the Holy Spirit out of it and see what you have left.
you dont experience shit.. if u want to believe in anything strongly enough your mind can invent some feeling of a "presence".. this sounds more like demons than anything from meditation.. and you claim that the peaceful and contented mindstate that buddhists and such experience from meditation is caused by "evil spirits"?? ur fucking BRAINWASHED by the illuminati cult.. n ull LOVE it when they bring back the dark ages under the Vatican, thinking Jesus came back (NWO "savior" scheme)
Excuse me but who are you to tell me what I experienced or didn't experience? Were you there? Did YOU experience it? No.
As for your claim about meditation bringing peacefullness. Yeah you are sure showing it right now, arn't you?
As for Christianity being a fabrication of the Illumaniti. Comeon, did we just get done watching Zeitgeist? I'll tell you what, why don't you just research just who put that movie out and who they quote from. It's right here on YouTube. Zeitgeist is propaganda.
no i got done READING HISTORY lol.. n im plenty peaceful haha just trying to help people break the mind control and spread knowledge.. yes Zeitgeist is propaganda, but only because it promotes communism/collectivism AKA Venus Project (NWO plan B lol)
sorry if i offend u im just sick of living in a society with so much oppression.. n this is just wat i believe your free to think im full of shit.i just think all this fighting between religions is "divide and conquer" betweentheir control grids
No problem. You haven't offended me too bad. No more than I may have offended you. That is what happens when people are confronted with opposing views.
Just don't take that Mark because your eternal fate will be sealed if you do.
Put your faith in Jesus Christ and believe the gospel. It doesn't mean that you have to serve some religion but the Living God. He offers you eternal life and that life is in His Son. Jesus will save you from what is to come. He is real and He is coming again.
The New Age doesn't even believe in Hell so if they are right I will just be recycled in the wheel of reincarnation and come back as a dog or something...
"Those without Christ are spiritually dead? Right.....so all the saints and monks of other religions are spiritually dead in your opinion?"
Sorry but I didn't write the Bible but that is EXACTLY what it says.
It might also be mentioned that those practices of Yoga and Meditation (or any other way of contacting the dead or spirits) are condemned in Scripture. Those who practice such things ALWAYS end up contradicting the Bible - God's Word, the Truth.
Well, the only spiritual truth I've perceived has been through yogic meditation. And I believe things based on my own experiences. If I ever had visions and a complete feeling of oneness with the universe through reading The Bible, perhaps I would be an exoteric follower of Christianity. But the fact is, The Bible is only a guide, like all other spiritual writings of other religions. The truly spiritual have to work at it through meditation.
There is no "truth" to be had through meditation, only deception. You are not experiencing God through meditation but demonic spirits. This is seen in the fact that anyone who takes part in such things do not get closer to God but further away fro Him. God condemned such practices for a reason because meditation opens one up to the demonic and their lies.
The goal of the New Age is to make "gods' of men. This is the he Garden of Eden.
How can reflection or meditation be so evil when it is said that during the lost years of Christ, he went to the East to study with monks. I am firmly against the N.W.O but I am equally against any one person claiming that they alone are privy to the truth. I am a good person with a loving heart, but I also think for myself. Demonic spirits, come on.
Meditation, visualization, or any other form of altered states are evil because they leave you open to demonic activity and deception. This is clearly seen by the fact that 1) God forbids such practices, and 2) those who practice such things are inevitably drawn away from God's Word, the info they get contradicts God's Word.
You should not be surprised that demons exist. After all much of Jesus's ministry was spent casting them out of people.
ur right.. this christian bullshit is all brainwashing.. and my speculation is that the NWO (same bloodlines who have always been making bullshit religions out of old ones to support their "divine right") will use this true religion to lure people into the NWO then kill a bunch of people, and revert the world back to the dark ages under the vatican, when it was a whole lot easier for them to do whatever they wanted.. theyll FUCK the internet cause they HATE it.. its too hard to keep secrets now
I think you're being kind of silly now. Even some Christians meditate. Do not books such as "The Cloud of Unknowing" or "The Dark Night of the Soul" advocate such practices? ...I guess Christian Mystics don't count as Christians now? The Bible even says to meditate on God's word, right?
haven't heard of those books but it doesn't surprise me at all. Indeed, there is a HUGE move in Christianity towards meditation and such, mainly through contemplative prayer. This is NOT a good thing though imo.
As I said, look it up, everyone who dabbles into such things either quit doing so or end up falling away from the TRUE God. This movement is part of the end times delusion which Paul talks about in 2 Thesselonians 2.
the NWO are satanists because they know that the religions THEY CREATE are bullshit.. you can tell just follow the trail, Christianity is a practically incomprehensible amalgamation of other ancient religions (which were all symbolic, NOT taken literally, except by the masses).. superstitious religions like christianity and judaism are a primitive form of mass brainwashing that empower the so-called "satanic" elite.. they are just smarter than you stupid sheep..
Yeah, you have it all figured out do you? So when the Man of Lawlessness comes and demands that you worship him and that you take the his Mark then what will you do?
probably just do it so i wont get killed, or get killed in protest, cause they're just going by the book.. im sorry but i dont think it will matter anyway..
im just saying think about it, the only way to justify these people as "devil worshippers" is that they are actually possessed. we know now today that "possession" is actually schizophrenia. they wouldnt worship satan if he was real, no one would, because their is no benifit.. i base what i say on how people are act out of SELF-INTEREST
But they KNOW that he is real and they worship and serve him because they believe his lies. Remember, the Bible says that Satan comes as an angel of light.
Research the New Age channelers and see how these "Ascended Masters" came to them and you will see that they came as "angels of light".
u christians are so gullible.. thats why satanists run the world.. you people really think its the end of the world just cause the same people are in power as always have been.. the vatican has always known it was pushing bullshit thats the whole point.. it supports the "divine right" to rule that the elite claim. and the garden of eden FAIRY TALE is designed to scare people AWAY from truth and understanding.. same thing with this boogeyman you call "evil spirits" you really believe that shit?
Yes I believe it because I have SEEN someone become demonized, and there is POWER in the BLOOD of JESUS. Demons tremble at HIS NAME.
You should really bone up on your church history. The Vatican didn't even exist until well into the 3rd century. The Apostles wern't Illumanists, I assure you. Neither were the OT Prophets who wrote the OT.
As for this being the Last Days, indeed they are and we know because everything that is written about them are coming to pass now.
yea i get that and they definately weren't "illuminists" but i think "illuminati" is a flawed term because it only really applies to 18th century Bavarian order.. i think their has always been corrupt people pushing BS and controlling people, and infiltrating and taking over each others institutions.. maybe im right, shit idk but why would god create all this shit and test peoples faith.. oh and not to mention the old testament creation story is laughable when compared with reality..
That's just the thing, Mattlambrecht, those people believe the creation story also. Mdm. Blavatsky believed the Biblical creation account as well as the Flood. She just sided with Satan instead of God. This is in accord with Gnostic teaching as well.
The occultists believe these things. They believe that Atlantis was a civilization that existed pre-Flood and was ruled by Enoch.
Their whole plan is to bring about a new Atlantis. A society free of God. They'll succeed for only a season.
meditation is stated throughout the new testament along with kundalini practice in the old testament. for when Jesus was asked how should we pray he said dont pray in the streets like the hypocrites and dont babble like the pagans but go to a room alone and sit in quietness for your father know what you need before you know it and what you do in secret. if that's not meditation i don't know what is
"Sorry but I didn't write the Bible but that is EXACTLY what it says."
hahaha yeah it says all kinds of retarded bullshit. real enlightenment practices (NOT CONTACTING THE DEAD, which is stupid superstitious bullshit like the Bible) are forbidden cause they promote knowledge and growth, the enemies of Earth's rulers (Global Elite/Satanists/Babylon Bloodlines/Rich assholes/whatever) thats why you're religion believes KNOWLEDGE is the cause of SIN.. hahaha its such a blatant mind control trick
Dude, I wish that I could just open your eyes to the Truth but only God can do that. I pray to God Almighty that He will do so so that you can see just how wrong you are and escape the trap that Satan has snared you with.
The Satanic Global Elite practice Theosophy and Eastern religious practices, as well as Gnosticism. Mdm. Blavatsky was a Gnostic.
It was the knowledge to do EVIL that mankind gained at the Garden. Man already knew how to do good being made in God's image.
FYI-the reference to the Third Eye this Gentleman makes, comes from traditions significantly older than Christianity... such as Budhism, or Hinduism or many other Eastern Traditions (google the word "Chakra").
My suggestion is to truly be openminded and just listen and let go of FEAR - make an effort to practice discernment! I would suggest St. Ignatious of Loyola - I believe his Spiritual Excersises can provide great guidance to an individual of ANY denomination. God Bless. (Continued 2)
I know some might say the burning of the bosom was Mormon and they would be right. It did not start with them as Sweedenborgism saw this happen in Germany when many Lutherans in Germany saw Lutherism as a dead ritualistic religion where they adopted a belief called Pietism(where the whole burning bosom originated). They abandoned their seminaries and because of this-this is where higher criticism was developed- Mormons co-opted this and celestial marriage straight from sweedenborgism
daveme7 1 week ago
Google free books will show Lucifers Trust was in existance before the name change. It was interesting to see how things turned out in those days.The person who most spoke against Christianity as a modernist was named Harry Emerson Fosdick.He was slated to go through a heresy trial in his denomination-represented by John Foster Dulles(would be secretary of state and very much at the origins of the UN.) Well there was no trial-he resigned and had a church bought for him by John D Rockafeller Jr.
daveme7 1 week ago
There is nothing new about New Age or New Thought it is just recycled heresies such as Gnosticism and Manechiesm. There is a great battle going on which started with Cain and Able, and continued shortly after King Solomon and continues to this day with Masonic / New Age / Theosopy /Occult and so forth. Wake up people ! Whose side are you on, the Messiah or the dark side ? Either you want to serve Christ or oneself. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise there IS NO inbetween.
purnapoosmom 3 months ago
@purnapoosmom I am a Valentinian Gnostic Christian and I have no more to do with the occult than you do. I may be a "Heretic" but I'm not a pagan, I used to be an evangelical minister. Perhaps we should learn from the source of peoples faith instead. Jesus didn't tell us to go to church, he told us to BE the church. So what's with the Jesus Inc. Church institutions? There are many Gnostic beliefs and not all are Christian. I don't buy into the NWO anymore than Rosser does.
astrofrk 4 days ago
Thisguy is telling us something of vital importance. Listen to him.
ruthamyallan1 3 months ago
Wake up New Age followers! Ur following Satan. Follow JESUS!
3VOLution3NO 3 months ago
I was called the Antichrist in 2000 by Australian Government Radio - ABC and I did some really weird things they were scared of me. So now I joined the theosophical society to advance my skills and help the New World Order. They sure aren't into Jesus so must be my destiny for the master plan.
Zoink555 9 months ago
good info
vjtk 11 months ago
This is a bunch of crap.
629sunset 11 months ago 2
Oh come on, you're not still repeating those tired old lies?! There has never been anyone like Jesus Christ in the world. No one in the world of true scholarship supports the Zeitgeist myth. See Chris White and Keith Truth for a great debunking of Zeitgeist. Bro - be on the side of truth - God loves you and Satan wants to destroy you. Don't be fooled by the 'Lucifer is the good guy' story either - Lucifer is just the PR arm of Satan
. Repent and come back to God while there is still time.
ruthamyallan1 1 year ago
christians are so hypocritical sometimes
mebe84 1 year ago
@ChristianScholarship not to get conspiratorial, but "priests" have certaintly rivaled or surpassed civil leaders throughout history. the catholic church, levite preists, ect.
i once read herodotus' book, considered the first true historian. a recurring theme in that book is kings from various countries constantly consulting the oracles before any major action, such as war.
mebe84 1 year ago
none of the gospel writers met Jesus if even existed. the the gospels were written after 70 AD. none of the disciples(alleged) would of been alive then.where is the evidence of the gospels he is talking about?not one scholar documented the life of Christ. Josephus never met Jesus and there is evidence that his mention of Jesus was a forgery. nothing about jesus is original. he is a solar cult archetype.
robaquarian 1 year ago
@robaquarian im not defending christianity,but this zeitgiest crap is even more ridiculous. all you astrotheologists/theosophists/zeitgiest believers are just as crazy as other religionists.
mebe84 1 year ago
@mebe84 to claim that christianity is based on astro theology does not mean that you believe in astro theology. why do you assume i am into zeitgeist? i study tim freke. and the zeitgiest movment is atheist not a mystical religious movment. so waht are you talking about?
robaquarian 1 year ago
@robaquarian i'm not familiar with tim freke, but the zeitgeist movie on religion has the same premise, it seems. jesus was an incarnation of an older pagan myth as well as an archetypal metaphor for the sun. it makes numerous comparisons between jesus and pagan gods, the vast majority of which are simply false and disputed by almost every scholar and professor of history and religion that has commented on it.
why do u think none of the disciples lived past 60 or 70 yrs old?it's not impossible
mebe84 1 year ago
@mebe84 your not defending Christianity? ive seen zeitgeist and i agree with it. its just a coincidence that attis,horus,dionysus,adonis,krishna etc were born of virgins had 12 disciples etc all before the jesus myth? the only one defending christ's existence are Christians. not one contemporaneous scholar talks of jesus. Josephus is a forgery. i doubt you've even seen zeitgeist. there is no evidence the disciples ever existed or that they wrote the gospels. the gospels are also contradictory
robaquarian 1 year ago
@robaquarian i'm not defending christianity. i just care about what is true or not. can u please give some evidence for your claim that all those pagan gods had 12 disciples. perhaps something other than the now debunked zeitgeist sources of acharya s.(who has absolutely no credentials) and the 19th century druid gerald massey.it's so funny when rabid anti-christians fall for the same type of spiritualist nonsense they pretend to condemn. don't be a hypocrite.hold ur own belief to same standard.
mebe84 1 year ago
@mebe84 its bullshit and they dont have such proof, these idiots are trying to start their own religion in the name of theosophy... if the were real about their beliefs then they would condemn theosophy along with all religions.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@robaquarian and have u looked into horus and the teachings or did you just take the movie zeitgeist for face value without proving any of the details presented in the movie. HAHHAHAhAhahAHA OMG BWAAAHAHAHha, no wonder the elites claim you idiots DESERVE to be their slaves, cause ur a bunch of morons that believe anything told to them with out ever proving it for yourself.
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@deceiver123m and you know it all do u.. mind if i come to you will all my life questions then?
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
@robaquarian Zeitgeist is complete and total bullshit. They make totally false comparisons and analyzations. I suggest you do research into how every little thing about Zeitgeist Part 1 is bullshit.
LifeLibertyLove 7 months ago
@LifeLibertyLove So do you just speak in assertions wheres your argument? i new Jesus was based on syncretic greek godmen before zeitgeist. why dotn you tell the facts? so the fact that attis osiris dionysus zarathustra,adonis,many other solar dietites have many of the same qualities as the fiction jesus is false?jesus is a piece of shit and so is hisYahweh. you a weak minded idiot if you buy into that bullshit. zero evidence that Jesus ever existed at all. nothing about Christianity is original
robaquarian 7 months ago
@robaquarian LOL Jesus has no major similarities to the greek godmen whatsoever!!!! In fact I can find way more similarities to the egyption gods and Jesus! Zarathustra is not a God he is a man!!! You call Zarathurstra a solar deity LOLOL. The only one speaking in assertions is you, you babel and think you know everything. You say zero evidence for Jesus well you obviously are the idiot here.
LifeLibertyLove 7 months ago
ding ding ding, alarm bells like crazy right out of the gate. Mormon? Freemasonry in disguise? Mormons don't worship Christ, they are compass and square all the way. Look at their temple, look at the roots of their movement, the lies that started it. Brigham Young married little child girls, Joseph Smith was a liar, practiced withcraft and on and on. The best thing to do with a Mormon is ignore them. Do you own prayer and read your own bible. God comes to you where ever you are.
IamRay71 1 year ago
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qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
@ChristianScholarship The dishonesty is coming from the Priest Class who have been running this world since time immemorial. Anyway I'm done have a good life and don't live in fear the way religion wants you to live. peace
mindmelt13 1 year ago
@ChristianScholarship Do you have evidence there is a hell? No you don't unless you have personally been there,then you have no evidence either. It's just more lies from the Priest Class to control through fear.
mindmelt13 1 year ago
@mindmelt13 For quite a few accusing fundamentalism as unable to function without certainty, seems quite a leap of accusing of no evidance(hell) as basically fundamentalism is built and centered on faith(that which we cannot prove or would not be faith).
daveme7 1 year ago
@ChristianScholarship That's my opinion after looking at this subject for the last 40 years. I was raised in Christianity and after doing my own research and not just trusting the words of the Priest Class that is my conclusion. I believe in the Creator that's it, not some BS dogma written by men that want to control humanity through fear of what happens after the physical body dies.
mindmelt13 1 year ago
If anything is occult (hidden), it is the truth that is purportedly buried somewhere in the ramblings of christian preachers/beggars and the bible. It's ironic that those who seek to shed light on the truth are labeled occultists by those who dwell in mystery and metaphor and unsubstantiated faith.
sparkloweb 1 year ago
Benjamin Creme is gonna burn, this false prophet and Satan lover will perish in the lake of fire...does he even realise this, I wonder what will go through his mind when he realises what he has done to mankind...I would definately not want to be in his shoes when he faces the wrath of God. YahWeh Lives Amen :oD
MiesterNice 1 year ago
@Mindmelt...true christians are not afraid of death or of any revelation. You're a fool.
xxFairestxx 1 year ago
@xxFairestxx ...lol...Amen, my thoughts exactly!
The more I think about death, the more I realise it is the beginning of great things...
Peace :oD
MiesterNice 1 year ago
@xxFairestxx Spoken like a true superior then thou christian. Get off your ego trip. I'm not afraid to die at all, the Creator is all that matters to me not you superior attitude.
mindmelt13 1 year ago
SirianKings ..
you clearly are a luciferian theosophist and new ager posing as a naive atheist
KchristianX 2 years ago
New age and theosophy?
Do you have any idea how old theosophical teachings are?
SirianKings 2 years ago
open your eyes dude!!! read more and research more! theosopy rocks!!! it's cool!!!
melquisedecism 2 years ago
They will never see JEHOVA IN THE HOUSE OF WORSHIP and are all doomed to eternal HELL!!
PANTHEISMEXPOSING 2 years ago
your both fucking morons because no jesus or world teacher or evil kingdom
PsykodelikCyoldier 2 years ago
i wonder if these guys will cruficy the new world teacher like the jews crufified christ?
leezus83 2 years ago
There is NOT such thing like a new world teacher , only false teachers and Deceivers from the evil kingdom ...
read the book of revelations
KchristianX 2 years ago
The book of Revelations is a screen play written by the priest class, to keep the profane masses in a state of fear. Which makes them easy to manipulate and control through their fear.
mindmelt13 2 years ago
We wont have to, The real Jesus will kill him with the spear.
KilluminatiMujahad 2 years ago 2
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Jockboy4musclenNC 2 years ago
iI what i believe inspires me to do good in the world what's the problem? We are judged by the good work we do -forget the labels.
When the time comes God will judge me, my heart and my intentions -not my fellow-man. Last time I checked the bible wanted us to do good and love thy fellow man. I can't feel any love in what you're saying.
okimono22 2 years ago
Is it love love to tell a man to trust in himself (his divinity) and that through repetitive incarnations he can achieve perfection - godhood? Or, to tell the truth - that all men are sinners - fall short of the glory of God - and cannot save himself. Jesus said he came to save sinners - all men. But only the weak and foolish in the eyes of the world accept him. The strong, wise, religious, and mystical-minded occultist go on toiling to justify themselves. Love is to tell people the truth.
watchinprayer 2 years ago
Perhaps it would be benificial to read the Secret Doctrine before judging it as evil.
Jimmy7271 2 years ago
I have and it is. Why? because it is antichrist (denies or substitutes another for the Father's only Christ) as revealed by Jesus, the one and only Christ, and those who ate, drank, worked with, and were commissioned by Him to be His witnesses. Now, you have a choice. You can trust in your "divinity" and hope to evolve to perfection by multiple incarnations (talk about suffering), or simply believe the Good News that SIMPLE faith in the sacrifice of Jesus perfects forever those who trust in him.
watchinprayer 2 years ago
The bible mentions in several scriptures that the SWORD means the WORD the word of God causes division.. obviously
rahsillyyoo 2 years ago
Yes many lies, Gnosticism, Urantia book, universal truth, universal salvation and all these lies. And in the end people will believe God as just a universal sea of energy without a personality, no hell, no Satan, no sin and procliam everyone as God. Everyone will believe the Jesus of gnosticism and called the true Jesus of Christianity false, One religion, One Order
QuantumUni 2 years ago
the stumbling block here for many ppl is that they think Christianity can be explained by logic...not so...so many things are illogically if you base your faith only to the extent you can explain something (logically), you dont believe. AMEN TO SOULFULCOMMUTE. stay strong
renovatio1988 2 years ago
christianity is illogical. thank you.
you need core beliefs that stand up to logic. like god is perfect
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
providence is the christian belief that all things work toward the glory of god. sin is the idea that an act can offend god. do you see the contradiction here.
christians believe that god is inept. if they didnt believe this then they would not believe in sin or judgement. because how can a perfect thing be judged? this leads to the idea of seperation which leads to treating people of different beliefs inhumainly
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
actually, sinners are here FOR those who follow GOD: to draw them Closer to Him, understanding how much More they need Him...plus All belongs To God, so all will be given back to Him, meaning even the kingdom Of the sinner. Also if we did believe God is inept (nonbelievers do). That would Not be the conclusion anyways...And this belief does Not make Christians treat everyone else inhumainly, it's a Sin NOT To Love thy neighbor as thyself.
But a perfect thing Can't be judged.
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
the first point I will aquest, conceed. but I would like to say that I dont believe there is anything to be saved from. I cant imagine an enlightend being causing any sentient being to experience anything aginst there will.
you didnt say how christians do not believe god is inept. you did not address the questions I raised, i.e., if somthing offends then does that imply error. error on the part of the creator. or if providence is right then what porpuse does judgement serve?
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
Sinful nature is what we need to be saved from because it causes Death ...An enlightened being causing a sentient being to experience against their will does not happen. & Inept means lacking sense or reason, That's why we don't believe God is inept ...no sentient would follow someone that they percieve to be 'inept'. And sin IS error in view of the Creator SO judgement is necessary because WE have been given FREE WILL to decide what We are going to do: be Obedient or Disobedient.
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
so if you are saved from sinfull nature you dont die? no need to answer that. could you imagine being imortal here? you would go insane.
"...sin IS error..." so you dont believe in providence. i.e, providence is in error. so god can make mistakes. as w/ the flood, remember the rainbow. so why follow a god that makes mistakes? the only thing that makes sense is that god does not make mistakes. which means we are perfect, incapable of offending god. hence, sin is an illusion.
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
The wages of sin is Death, that's why all human flesh dies, we were born Into sin. Saved means born INTO the body of Jesus Christ whereas the Second Death (Judgement) has no power over us. Providence includes God appointing us to either be saved or not which He did Before the foundations of this Earth by His Son Jesus. If your nature is locked into sinfullness, in the kingdom of Heaven you'll only spread Death: unacceptable when ETERNAL LIFE Only exists if Death does not. God IS in Control.
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
He's doing this to prepare His Bride which is made up of those of us that He Choses. Kind of like when the 49ers went to the brooks to find Gold: you wouldn't call it error if they picked up the Rocks in their pans to filter out the Gold: the Gold is AMONGST the rocks.
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
this is the problem with believers. you all think that part of gods creation is "rocks." so god creates flaw. this implies god is flawed, dont you get that. drop all the gobuly-gook language and just think and answer w/ logic and reason. If there is flaw in the creation then the creator must be flawed. if you need more proof you believe in a flawed creator look at the flood where she openly said she made a mistake
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
LOL, well at least i did try to break it down for you....but exactly like the Bible says: His Word will sound like rubbish to those who are perishing. read it again...
...i'm done. lol.
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
you never responded to anyhting I posted. every christian has these cliches they memorize to keep them from thinking. You cannot follow logical reasoning and nothing you say has any meaning. study logic
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
logic is asking the person who you're inquiring about for the answers to your questions, you should try that...it's called Praying! And you won't get an anwser if you don't believe you will, so cool down...this is for those who don't need to SEE things in order to believe them...kind of like you typing to Me (someone you've never seen before) & being assured that i'll respond back...it took you Trying it to know that it works..try to pray and then WAIT for the answer! Lol, it may take a while
SoulfulCommute 2 years ago
mkrulic517439 just wanted to say that God created what was good, explicitly stated in the Bible. But knowing it was gonna fall, and allowed it to happen so that CHrist would come and reign over death through the glorious cross. Bible says that CHrist was planned to come before the foundations of the earth. The problem here is that your trying to understand something that you dont believe in. Bible commands: repent and believe and YOU will be saved. much love bro (or sis)
renovatio1988 2 years ago
god created what was good? maybe that is your understanding of god. you believe god can make mistakes. I believe god is perfect. so god created perfection, hence no fall.
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
"we were born into this..." so you believe we were flawed from birth. then the creation is not perfect. if the creation is not perfect the creator is not perfect. so we can be saved or not, and this was known before the fondations of the earth. ok, say she knew I would not be saved. is it possible to choose this salvation? If I do then she would have been wrong about what she knew. If she cant be wrong then I cannot be saved. providence implies perfection. you either believe god is perfect or
mkrulic517439 2 years ago
The soul is a spirit? This answers absolutely nothing. It only fuels further questions. If the soul is a spirit, what is a spirit? ....And who is to say that there are "places" after death, even assuming there is an afterlife? The mind cannot comprehend anything but this existence. That is why it bases fantasy afterlife scenarios on events from this life.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
So, how does a soul burn? ...A soul is not material... Only material things can burn. ...Right? ....Can you explain to me: 1. What a soul is? And 2. How it is possible that a soul can burn?
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
A soul is a spirit. and when a soul is in hell she will be tormented by a real fire, only this fire is not material, not of this earth. it will not consume the soul only give pain. This is possible because of the will of God who has designed the place of torment for the fallen angels (not for men,in the first place). hell is a particular place, and the fire which burns there is a real fire just as real as fire is here on earth.
lithopoonwit 2 years ago
and you won't die because you are ignorant, you will be educated.
If you can't learn then you will fade away and break down with the old system and its traditions and rules that you cling too.
The new system will be based on agreements and fact based evidence. metaphorically and literally we are all one energy manifest in form. It has been proven, and evidence should be enough to convince everyone.
We will not be like the christians who kill people for disagreement. you would just miss out.
davidspoo 2 years ago
Christian's kill people over disagreements? David's poo, listen up. People kill people over disagreements. It's really that simple. What those people are labeled as or label themselves as doesn't really matter. It's a widespread phenomenon, part of human nature, and if you do not address the problem from that perspective, you are blissfully ignorant of reality.
cruelfate45 2 years ago
People don't just kill people over disagreements and it's not part of human nature. We are Products of our environment/culture.
(ignorance is inherent in the abrahamic religions/superstitious world view. Example: Faith)
"without religion you'd have good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things... but for good people to do bad things it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg
Obviously this is a nature/nurture argument. I think we can both agree that most behavior is nurtured.
davidspoo 2 years ago
Good people doing good things? Bad people doing bad things? That is such an erroneous statement by Weinberg. There aren't good and bad people. There are just people. And people have a natural tendency to promote self interest. You can't disagree with that without invoking moral law, at least in logic, and that would make your world view ironically hypocritical (aka Weinberg, the idiot).
Faith is not ignorance. Ignorance is ignorance.
cruelfate45 2 years ago
you're right, good and bad are judgments from a perspective.
(many people have different definitions of faith)
if faith is believing without evidence, and without question, then faith IS ignorance.
Ignoring mountains of evidence to believe in an an abstraction/mental projection, IS definitely IGNORANCE not to mention arrogance. Especially when its obviously based on a book of contradictions and myths assimilated and stolen from different cultures.
Stop w/ the ignorance and do some research.
davidspoo 2 years ago 2
The mountains of evidence you speak of are gathered through the spectrum of abstraction and mental projection and our system of language. There is no tangible objective reality outside of this vehicle of perception. So how about a real argument...? No?
cruelfate45 2 years ago 2
If your going to make claims about things happening in an objective reality (like jesus walking on water or rising from the dead) your going to need agreements like language to be able to talk about these things. Just because the map is not the territory doesn't mean that there is no territory. it also doesn't mean that the things the map points to are illusory.
you can't back up christian claims by trying to act like there is no objective reality, that is just absurd. (not to mention untrue.)
davidspoo 2 years ago
I'm not saying there is no objective reality. I'm saying that it is your belief and your assumptions that allow you to perceive objective reality. You can't back up scientific claims by trying to act like you are outside of objective reality, observing objective reality. That is absurd.
cruelfate45 2 years ago
Gnostic's were the original Christians. The orthodox Christians take there myths literally and also misunderstand the terms gnostics use because they take them literally.
the bible is just a cluster fuck of contradictory mythology not historical literal fact.
davidspoo 2 years ago
The convergence of political, miltary, economic & religion all has its roots in "Babel". It's thread is pagan, just as the Catholic church is none other than converted pagans. Global unity has it's roots in Babylonia, from the days of NImrod and Semiramis. They wanted to unite & build a tower, so they canm be their own gods, etc. So God struck them w/ confusion and scattered them
(I'm sure you've heard the story)
Hodassa 2 years ago
im sorry to all christians i may have offended with my rantings on this subject.. but i was just providing an atheist perspective on the whole thing that i feel makes alot more sense than anyone elses theory of this being the "end of the world" or that they are actually "reptilian Annunaki".. i just think people are gullable and that the truth is that we dont know the true nature of things outside what we can observe.. and i feel that Buddhism is just a means for this observation. alrite im done
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Interesting objective....I agree that mainstream Christianity has made religion into a brainwashing cult. However the original "Church" was not a brainwashing scam. It did not resemble any of these ministries to this day. It is evident that the thread of Babylon (Papacy) has taken over w/ much political and monetary maneuvering, as a means to gain control.
Hodassa 2 years ago
I personally feel that what we are witnessing within the Church & Government, is the the same goal..."There is nothing new under the sun." --Ecclesiastes.
The defected Church signifies none other than The Great Apostasy, does not negate however true Christianity-- The Underground Church, an entity not made by hands, nor controlled by the likes of ANY man or sytem/organization. Nor will this "organism" bow its knee to mammon and the approval of anyone or anything toher than the Amighty.
Hodassa 2 years ago
i actually kind of agree.. i mean i dont believe in any superstition, basically im atheist/agnostic, but i like the attitude against stuff you dont believe in (apostasy). i find that quite honorable and courageous that you are willing to stand up against the social pressure of the masses. so i commend you for that.
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
thank you ;)
Hodassa 2 years ago
Christianity is a campaign of the Bloodlines.. and THEY ARE NOT ANNUNAKI.. they want to be worshipped as "god-men" or "sons of god", just like in Babylon, Egypt, and Sumer, so they make up bullshit like this. The NWO will either be good, or they will slaughter a bunch of people and reinstate dark ages Vatican rule under "Jesus" (some illuminati douschebag), and call it the Kingdom of God, once again the "King of Kings" being worshipped as the "Son of God"... its all a big mindfuck u sheep
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
This is all fear mongering. Christianity is increasingly becoming more and more of a bad joke along with Islam and Judaism.
Such barbaric and violent scriptures you all have. So much death and suffering caused by works of fiction. The world is "growing up" but those faiths are not.
It is inevitable that the Theosophical Society's message of Esoteric Buddhism will be embraced by the Global Community because the path we are on now is simply not sustainable.
synch1216 2 years ago
true but then the leaders of the "Global Community" will probably use its truth as an excuse to bring us under their rule, then use go Hitler on us, depopulate a bunch of people, then bring back strict Christianity through old school brainwashing (telling kids they'll go to hell if they don't buy the BS) and just bring us back to the dark ages under the Vatican cause its that much easier to control people under Judaic bullshit religions like Christianity.. haha idk i dont trust the elite
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Did we seem to forget that Gnosticism is what Christianity is based on?
ShaktipatSage 2 years ago 2
@ShaktipatSage Really? I have a hard time seeing this as God who created the world Captured the spirit childeren and thus why Lucifer seen as freeing Adam and Eve by teaching the knowledge-knowledge of good and evil. Some how this quite opposite of what is taught inj the bible
daveme7 1 year ago
Theosophy is an amazing practice that begins when you realize you don't know and you find things out for your self.
sillymonkey8888 2 years ago 2
I would say at least reincarnation has evidence. I would also say we have evidence for God. But what evidence do we have for a heaven and hell?
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
Such books were written hundreds of years ago. Meditation is not a new thing to Christianity. In fact, it is said that Christian Mysticism has been around as long as Christianity has. And meditation and mysticism go hand in hand.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
Though, I don't necessarily believe Blavatsky's ideas about one root race and one root religion. But if one skims through Isis Unveiled or The Secret Doctrine you will see that she was very knowledgeable about religion. I've read a few theosophist books and they're very informative, actually. Even if you don't consider yourself to be a theosophist, they've written books that are worth reading.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
Blavatsky was a Lucifarian. She has nothing to offer me except some knowledge as to how the Antichrist will come, and even that would be taken with a grain of salt.
For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? (2 Corinthians 6:14(b)-15(a))
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
"You are not experiencing God through meditation but demonic spirits."
Can you please explain to me how there is any such way that you could possibly know this? Because if you're not an incarnation of God, then you must be making some pretty large assumptions here.
I think the goal of many Theosophists are the same goals as Buddhists or Hindus. And that is perfection of the soul over lifetimes. And in this way I can relate to them.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
That is easy. Read the Word of God. Compare what you draw out from meditation with what the Bible says. Do these practices bring you closer to the God of Isreal, the God of the Bible or does it draw you away?
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
the "god of israel" is the single most disgusting brainwashing justification for genocide EVER.. meditation helps bring you closer to "enlightenment" that is understanding the true nature of things and their spiritual existence and go on with this to create good things.. The bible is designed specifically to make sure that people don't do this and we remain in a fucked up world controlled by a small elite who understands that most people believe in bullshit.
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
"I think the goal of many Theosophists are the same goals as Buddhists or Hindus. And that is PERFECTION OF THE SOUL OVER LIFETIMES. And in this way I can relate to them."
This is a good example of what I'm talking about. The Bible denies reincarnation altogether. It rather teaches that there is only ONE life that after that the Judgment (Heb 9:27).
Only of these 2 ways is true, they CANNOT BOTH BE TRUE.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
or it could all be bullshit hahaha.. but i think gnosticism/theosophy is more likely to be true.. Christianity is just a bunch of stories stolen from allegories designed to explain the old gnostic and egyptian teachings.. then applied to fulfill Jewish prophecy to conform to Judaism which is the single most disgusting pile of garbage ever created.. no offense to jewish race, but the OT is a disgusting egotistical work and i would be ashamed if it were the basis of my culture..
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
I don't doubt that Christians have experiences. But probably mainly their esoteric followers and mystics, as they meditate. I believe the Divine can be worshiped in whatever form you prefer, Christ included. But The Bible is NOT the be all end all of spiritual writings. There are many streams that lead to the same lake. Some run faster than others.
What about Hindus who accept Christ as God, but not the only form of God? Are they spiritually dead too? They do, after all, accept Christ.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
The rub in not in thinking that Jesus Christ is A way to God but that He is THE WAY to God. NO ONE will find anything but Hell by seeking God by any other way.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
Christians will either be massacred or fall from truth (great apostasy)
Hodassa 3 years ago
There are 2 different paradigm shifts. Transformation is not bound to the articles of Theosophy or the New Age cult. There is an an army mobilizing that will resist the NWO....to the death. These were born for such a time and they know who they are.
Hodassa 3 years ago
What are you trying to say?
walrus80 3 years ago
You say the new age is a cult but at the same time say anyone who doesn't believe in the same things you do will burn in hell.
seonf 2 years ago
Do I?...What gives you the right to project your own fears on to me?
In reality, you don't know what I say.
However, since u broght it up, New Age is
a cult and it is erroneous.
Hodassa 2 years ago
I don't believe hell or Satan exist. Are you a Christian? Do you think non Christians go to hell? If so then you are a hypocrite. If not then your not a hypocrite.
The New Age is just a collection of old age beliefs packaged to make them appear new and exiting to the youth.
seonf 2 years ago
I am not into the turn or burn "gospel".
Your relationship w/ God is your own business.
I like to love on people and pray that
the eyes of their heart would be opened to the light of the truth, which is the Son of God....I DO NOT shove my beliefs down anyone's throat. I despise religion and the institional Church, as it promotes condemnation and religious pride, of which I abhor.
Hodassa 2 years ago
But by stating Jesus is the son of God that is dogma, just like the new age. I don't mind when people like David Icke say the new age is a cult because he exposes religion as well. So do you think people who don't believe Jesus was the son of God will burn in hell? I have my own views of God but I keep them to myself as I believe everyone has the right to view God however he or she wants.
seonf 2 years ago
The Bible is pretty clear as to where those who don't believe in Jesus Christ will go.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
Sounds like a cult to me.
seonf 2 years ago
seonf: I think it would be wise for you to search the scriptures for yourself and come up w/ ur own "answer". I feel ur askng me this to ensnare me into saying something u want to nail me with. Isn't that what the Pharisees did to Jesus? U ALREADY know the answer to what ur asking me.
Hodassa 2 years ago
I want to make a point. You accuse the new age movement of being a cult but at the same time Christians say anyone who doesn't believe in the same things I do is going to burn in hell. To me that is cult like behavior. Some even say God needs money lol God is the creator of the universe. If he needed money he would make it appear out of thin air.
seonf 2 years ago
Cult: A religion or sect that is "considered" unorthodox. Extremist; or....false; who lives outside of "conventional" society; under the direction of a charismatic leader; veneration; religious practice...
Hodassa 2 years ago
Cults = Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and any other superstitious bullshit.
Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism are just systems of enlightenment and ancient wisdom not "religions" in the sense that the "orthodox" ones are.. those are BRAINWASHING cults designed to empower their designers (the bloodlines and secret societies aka "SATANISTS")
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
There are many Christian organizations that would fall under this catagory as well.
No God DOES NOT need money, the Evangelist that have turned the ministry of Christ into a "money market' are the ones that NEED money.
Hodassa 2 years ago
If you are in any way familiar w the Gospels, you'll know that money was the furthest thing from Jesus' ministry. He told the religious leaders that tried to ensnare Him w trick questions (about taxes), to render unto Caesar, what is Caesars, but to God, what is God's....
Hodassa 2 years ago
You asked me if I believe that "non Christians" will burn in hell. What an unfair question!
Jesus did not come to condemn the world, but rather redeem it, for the world friend...is already condemned. Christ out of love and humility, came so that we could have life and more abundantly.
Hodassa 2 years ago
So...if one does go to hell, I personally believe it's because that person refused the free gift of salvation thru the redemptive work of the cross. God sends No one to hell...people are given a choice, as God does not impose His will on anyone.
Hodassa 2 years ago
So seonf, since u r so intersted in what I believe (remember u asked)....I would like for u to carefully consider this...God could have demonstrated power to the entire world, but instead He chose one of the most difficult paths....become human and endure a horrific cross. He chose to demonstrate love. No greater love friend, then for a brother to lay down his life for another. There is nothing greater than that kind of love. It is a love we cannot comprehend.
Hodassa 2 years ago
no it isnt people give their lives for each other all the time.. ask any war veteran (sadly they are pawns in a global bullshit profit/death machine). this story is a nonsensical amalgamation of a bunch of ancient ALLEGORIES (MYTHS) describing universal truths.. the NWO may claim to be offering the truth in Buddhist type PHILOSOPHIES, but they will use that to appease people into giving them power. they will then probably reinstate Vatican rule and bring us back to dark ages(after mass genocide)
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Therefore, it's easier to degrade and down play Jesus, because in reality not one of us would die for any person that hated us, nor would we sacrice our child for a world that hated us. But God chose to do that, because His message was/is this: I love you, but words are not enough, so allow Me to prove it".....No other religion, cult, organization or what have you, woulfd EVER sacrifice for you...ever.
Hodassa 2 years ago
So when a few hundred people believe something that is considered "unorthodox or Extremist" it's a cult. When a few thousand people believe it it is faith and we should respect it.
That's my point. How is believing anyone who doesn't believe in the same things you do will burn in hell any better than the new age? How is it not cult like behavior?
seonf 2 years ago
The religious, intellectual, prideful mind could never receive or fathom this...which is why even the religious leaders that claimed to "know" God, crucified the very one they boasted in knowing.....and He let them.
Hodassa 2 years ago
Also Jesus told his followers to give away their money! Why would he change his mind when he died I guess I'm preaching to the choir. But i believe God is one. I think if Jesus existed he was at the very least a prophet. But your entitled to your beliefs just as I am and I don't want to push mine onto anyone except my hatred of hypocrisy I just don't get how Christians can easily call other people's religions a cult yet defend themselves as a legitimate religion.
seonf 2 years ago
"Also Jesus told his followers to give away their money!" He was pushing NWO communism even back then.. guess who got the money when churches preached that shit? THE VATICAN.. fucking DUH.. just like in Russia.. "satanists" run all this shit cause they know how to call their own bullshit. Its all different ways to keep people fighting about the UNKNOWN (which is UNKNOWN!!) while they monopolize power and profit.. the NWO is out 2 destroy the freedom we have from internet and science (educat.)
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
"Declaration of Inter-dependence" eh?
Hodassa 3 years ago
Hey let me rate this video real quick, and then you can disable them again.
joeypropeller 3 years ago
As individuals, shouldn't we seek truth anywhere we can find it? Whether its Christianity, Judaism, Gnosticism, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism,ect.. The truly religious test teachings by experiencing them, experience is the key to anything spiritual, not belief alone. Stop following the blind herd and seek your own truth. Or at least know the truths of your own religion, read about Esoteric Christianity. Try a book called "Inner Christianity: A Guide to the Esoteric Tradition".
antonionitarkovsky 3 years ago 2
Ever notice how people of eastern religions (or those who follow their spiritual practices) are generally much happier than the people on this video? Well, thats no coincidence! The only good to come from Christianity, aside from Christ himself, are their mystics. Those who are actually interested in experiencing God are those who are truly religious. Regardless of what religion they practice...or whether they practice none of them.
antonionitarkovsky 3 years ago
The brainwashed. Its truly sad hearing ignorant people try to convey truth. If he practiced yoga and meditation he might just come to some truth through experience and stop having to rely on false blind belief. "Behold, the kingdom of God is within you." How exactly, for Christians, does that translate to a God separate from his creation which cannot be reached until death? People like this never even consider the esoteric aspects of their religion. I hope all the misled open their minds.
antonionitarkovsky 3 years ago
"Behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21). This quote from Jesus Christ does NOT advocate some esoteric experience but speaks of the new birth that every true Christian has. Jesus was speaking of being born again. Those who are without Jesus Christ are spiritually dead being separated from the Father. Only through Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins can someone experience life.
John wrote about this in 1 John 1:1-3 when he wrote that Jesus Christ IS eternal life.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
1 John was in it's entirety a refutation of gnosticism which is the essence of esotericism/occultism.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
Those without Christ are spiritually dead? Right.....so all the saints and monks of other religions are spiritually dead in your opinion? That is ridiculous, sorry. At least gnostics, hindus, buddhists, theosophists, ect.. have something to base thier faith on, experience. Exoteric followers of Christianity aren't interested in experiencing the Divine, only reading about it in a book.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
Christians DO have experience. We experience the Holy Spirit in our lives. ONE of the things that the Holy Spirit does is confirms the TRUTH of the Bible.
Here is a little project for you...Please read the New Testament (or only the book of Acts or ONE of Paul's epistles) and take any and all reference to the Holy Spirit out of it and see what you have left.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
you dont experience shit.. if u want to believe in anything strongly enough your mind can invent some feeling of a "presence".. this sounds more like demons than anything from meditation.. and you claim that the peaceful and contented mindstate that buddhists and such experience from meditation is caused by "evil spirits"?? ur fucking BRAINWASHED by the illuminati cult.. n ull LOVE it when they bring back the dark ages under the Vatican, thinking Jesus came back (NWO "savior" scheme)
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Excuse me but who are you to tell me what I experienced or didn't experience? Were you there? Did YOU experience it? No.
As for your claim about meditation bringing peacefullness. Yeah you are sure showing it right now, arn't you?
As for Christianity being a fabrication of the Illumaniti. Comeon, did we just get done watching Zeitgeist? I'll tell you what, why don't you just research just who put that movie out and who they quote from. It's right here on YouTube. Zeitgeist is propaganda.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
no i got done READING HISTORY lol.. n im plenty peaceful haha just trying to help people break the mind control and spread knowledge.. yes Zeitgeist is propaganda, but only because it promotes communism/collectivism AKA Venus Project (NWO plan B lol)
sorry if i offend u im just sick of living in a society with so much oppression.. n this is just wat i believe your free to think im full of shit.i just think all this fighting between religions is "divide and conquer" betweentheir control grids
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
No problem. You haven't offended me too bad. No more than I may have offended you. That is what happens when people are confronted with opposing views.
Just don't take that Mark because your eternal fate will be sealed if you do.
Put your faith in Jesus Christ and believe the gospel. It doesn't mean that you have to serve some religion but the Living God. He offers you eternal life and that life is in His Son. Jesus will save you from what is to come. He is real and He is coming again.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
Just don't chose WRONG, or you'll be damned to perdition and eternal HELLFIRE. :D This has been a public service announcement.
TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
Not me. I already made my choice.
The New Age doesn't even believe in Hell so if they are right I will just be recycled in the wheel of reincarnation and come back as a dog or something...
I can live with that rather than the alternative.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
"Those without Christ are spiritually dead? Right.....so all the saints and monks of other religions are spiritually dead in your opinion?"
Sorry but I didn't write the Bible but that is EXACTLY what it says.
It might also be mentioned that those practices of Yoga and Meditation (or any other way of contacting the dead or spirits) are condemned in Scripture. Those who practice such things ALWAYS end up contradicting the Bible - God's Word, the Truth.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
Well, the only spiritual truth I've perceived has been through yogic meditation. And I believe things based on my own experiences. If I ever had visions and a complete feeling of oneness with the universe through reading The Bible, perhaps I would be an exoteric follower of Christianity. But the fact is, The Bible is only a guide, like all other spiritual writings of other religions. The truly spiritual have to work at it through meditation.
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
There is no "truth" to be had through meditation, only deception. You are not experiencing God through meditation but demonic spirits. This is seen in the fact that anyone who takes part in such things do not get closer to God but further away fro Him. God condemned such practices for a reason because meditation opens one up to the demonic and their lies.
The goal of the New Age is to make "gods' of men. This is the he Garden of Eden.
The Bible IS TRUTH.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
How can reflection or meditation be so evil when it is said that during the lost years of Christ, he went to the East to study with monks. I am firmly against the N.W.O but I am equally against any one person claiming that they alone are privy to the truth. I am a good person with a loving heart, but I also think for myself. Demonic spirits, come on.
Xagmot 2 years ago
Meditation, visualization, or any other form of altered states are evil because they leave you open to demonic activity and deception. This is clearly seen by the fact that 1) God forbids such practices, and 2) those who practice such things are inevitably drawn away from God's Word, the info they get contradicts God's Word.
You should not be surprised that demons exist. After all much of Jesus's ministry was spent casting them out of people.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
ur right.. this christian bullshit is all brainwashing.. and my speculation is that the NWO (same bloodlines who have always been making bullshit religions out of old ones to support their "divine right") will use this true religion to lure people into the NWO then kill a bunch of people, and revert the world back to the dark ages under the vatican, when it was a whole lot easier for them to do whatever they wanted.. theyll FUCK the internet cause they HATE it.. its too hard to keep secrets now
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
I think you're being kind of silly now. Even some Christians meditate. Do not books such as "The Cloud of Unknowing" or "The Dark Night of the Soul" advocate such practices? ...I guess Christian Mystics don't count as Christians now? The Bible even says to meditate on God's word, right?
antonionitarkovsky 2 years ago
haven't heard of those books but it doesn't surprise me at all. Indeed, there is a HUGE move in Christianity towards meditation and such, mainly through contemplative prayer. This is NOT a good thing though imo.
As I said, look it up, everyone who dabbles into such things either quit doing so or end up falling away from the TRUE God. This movement is part of the end times delusion which Paul talks about in 2 Thesselonians 2.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
the NWO are satanists because they know that the religions THEY CREATE are bullshit.. you can tell just follow the trail, Christianity is a practically incomprehensible amalgamation of other ancient religions (which were all symbolic, NOT taken literally, except by the masses).. superstitious religions like christianity and judaism are a primitive form of mass brainwashing that empower the so-called "satanic" elite.. they are just smarter than you stupid sheep..
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Yeah, you have it all figured out do you? So when the Man of Lawlessness comes and demands that you worship him and that you take the his Mark then what will you do?
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
probably just do it so i wont get killed, or get killed in protest, cause they're just going by the book.. im sorry but i dont think it will matter anyway..
im just saying think about it, the only way to justify these people as "devil worshippers" is that they are actually possessed. we know now today that "possession" is actually schizophrenia. they wouldnt worship satan if he was real, no one would, because their is no benifit.. i base what i say on how people are act out of SELF-INTEREST
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
But they KNOW that he is real and they worship and serve him because they believe his lies. Remember, the Bible says that Satan comes as an angel of light.
Research the New Age channelers and see how these "Ascended Masters" came to them and you will see that they came as "angels of light".
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
u christians are so gullible.. thats why satanists run the world.. you people really think its the end of the world just cause the same people are in power as always have been.. the vatican has always known it was pushing bullshit thats the whole point.. it supports the "divine right" to rule that the elite claim. and the garden of eden FAIRY TALE is designed to scare people AWAY from truth and understanding.. same thing with this boogeyman you call "evil spirits" you really believe that shit?
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Yes I believe it because I have SEEN someone become demonized, and there is POWER in the BLOOD of JESUS. Demons tremble at HIS NAME.
You should really bone up on your church history. The Vatican didn't even exist until well into the 3rd century. The Apostles wern't Illumanists, I assure you. Neither were the OT Prophets who wrote the OT.
As for this being the Last Days, indeed they are and we know because everything that is written about them are coming to pass now.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
yea i get that and they definately weren't "illuminists" but i think "illuminati" is a flawed term because it only really applies to 18th century Bavarian order.. i think their has always been corrupt people pushing BS and controlling people, and infiltrating and taking over each others institutions.. maybe im right, shit idk but why would god create all this shit and test peoples faith.. oh and not to mention the old testament creation story is laughable when compared with reality..
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
That's just the thing, Mattlambrecht, those people believe the creation story also. Mdm. Blavatsky believed the Biblical creation account as well as the Flood. She just sided with Satan instead of God. This is in accord with Gnostic teaching as well.
The occultists believe these things. They believe that Atlantis was a civilization that existed pre-Flood and was ruled by Enoch.
Their whole plan is to bring about a new Atlantis. A society free of God. They'll succeed for only a season.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
meditation is stated throughout the new testament along with kundalini practice in the old testament. for when Jesus was asked how should we pray he said dont pray in the streets like the hypocrites and dont babble like the pagans but go to a room alone and sit in quietness for your father know what you need before you know it and what you do in secret. if that's not meditation i don't know what is
iamcurlyhead 1 year ago
"Sorry but I didn't write the Bible but that is EXACTLY what it says."
hahaha yeah it says all kinds of retarded bullshit. real enlightenment practices (NOT CONTACTING THE DEAD, which is stupid superstitious bullshit like the Bible) are forbidden cause they promote knowledge and growth, the enemies of Earth's rulers (Global Elite/Satanists/Babylon Bloodlines/Rich assholes/whatever) thats why you're religion believes KNOWLEDGE is the cause of SIN.. hahaha its such a blatant mind control trick
mattlambrecht 2 years ago
Dude, I wish that I could just open your eyes to the Truth but only God can do that. I pray to God Almighty that He will do so so that you can see just how wrong you are and escape the trap that Satan has snared you with.
The Satanic Global Elite practice Theosophy and Eastern religious practices, as well as Gnosticism. Mdm. Blavatsky was a Gnostic.
It was the knowledge to do EVIL that mankind gained at the Garden. Man already knew how to do good being made in God's image.
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
FYI-the reference to the Third Eye this Gentleman makes, comes from traditions significantly older than Christianity... such as Budhism, or Hinduism or many other Eastern Traditions (google the word "Chakra").
My suggestion is to truly be openminded and just listen and let go of FEAR - make an effort to practice discernment! I would suggest St. Ignatious of Loyola - I believe his Spiritual Excersises can provide great guidance to an individual of ANY denomination. God Bless. (Continued 2)
tflynn289 3 years ago