5:40 incredible speed in playing and dodging Liston's best. Even the ring announcer fooled a few seconds later saying Ali tired. Ali wasn't tired - he was just warming up!!
the fix was on. Ali is goat, but Liston threw this fight. Watch how where he throws his punches to the shoulder, and pulls his punches on the body shots.
Nah man ALi broke him physically and mentally, did you see in round one, ALi hurt him early and JOe Louis would have figured it out, Sonny was out not fixed, a gud defense beats a gud offesne, classic.
Ali clobbershim in the 3rd with punches much harder than Lewiston rematch and Sonny isnt seriously hurt. An if he is hurt he doesnt go down and the roll over.
It's actually stupid to compare liston to tyson. Liston was actually a good technical boxer not a come- forward marauder like tyson. The problem was that ali was taller and fasterand could outjab him. Just a stylistic nightmare for liston IMO.
@whitedeviltx You need to watch the fight again....Ali lost only one round and that was the round that Liston "cheated" on....The rest of the fight was damn near a sparring session...
Sir if you think the fight was close early on, you must've been watching to discredit Ali....even Joe Louis (who was a known Ali hater) said that Ali "completely outclassed" Liston in the first round.
One thing that always impressed me about Ali was his ability to go from dancing around, stopping on a dime, setting and punching so quickly. It takes really good balance to do that so well. He really was the greatest.
@asrarulhaq2002 lets not act as if it was the only 2 head shots of the fight...There was more but thats the 2 that i just pointed out. If it was Tyson's punches Ali would have been knocked down
If Ali fought Tyson, Tyson would not be the hardest puncher that Ali would have fought. Shavers, Foreman, and Liston were all bigger than Tyson and hit harder. Frazier's left hook is just as hard as Tyson's.
@yaiqab But Tyson was much quicker than these terribly slow guys you listed, he was better in pursuit than all of those guys aside from maybe foreman, he also was harder to hit with than all of these aside from possibly Frazier. I think Ali would have been in trouble if he were to fight a young 19-23 Tyson
@whitedeviltx at 23yrs old Tyson got destroyed by Buster Douglas, and Buster wasn't half of Ali, and at 22 Tyson went the distance with Bonecrusher Smith, Tillis, Tucker, and Green, all of these Tyson opponents were average and all the guuys Tyson did knock out were bums
@markenriquez71 First of all its kind of stupid to compare Ali and Douglas yes, Ali was better but they were completely different styles of fighter Buster was a slugger Ali was a finesse fighter, secondlyTyson actually knocked out Douglas I got a 14 count while Buster was still down, and as far as a 35-0 champion Tucker being average is a foolish statement, I guess Spinks was a bum too huh? Not to mention Tyson made a fool out of guys who beat the shit out of Ali (Holmes, Berbick)
@whitedeviltx I respect your opinion Buster was no Ali and he used an Ali style vs Tyson Buster was on one elbow aware and taking advantage of the long count that was smart of him Tucker was not in the same ballpark as Ali Spinks a true light heavyweight was not a great heavyweight and Holmes Berbick come on Ali was like 90yrs old against them those were his last fights Foreman as an old man competed with Holyfield who destroyed Tyson and Ali knocked out Foreman when Ali was 32 and Foreman 24
@whitedeviltx Your an idiot if your going to bring up fights from when ali just needed a paycheck late in life, ali was 10 times the fighter both mentally and physically tyson ever was. Boxing was in decline by the time tyson showed up
Lol, Tyson would've lost that fight during the promotion.....as mentally fragile as Tyson was, he would've been putty in Ali's hands. Tyson fought in the same style as Floyd Patterson, and certainly was not faster than Patterson, and Patterson could not get to Ali. I'm quite incredulous that you would even bring up Ali's fights against Holmes and Berbick, as if that makes a point. That's like me bringing up Tyson's losses to Danny Williams and Kevin McBride lol.
Liston had a big style disadvantage against Ali. Listons main weapon was his hard jab, but whenever he fired it he got beat by ali to the punch, because of Alis much faster jab.
Tyson would be a complete different story, Tyson was powerfull with both arms and especially powerfull in close. So whenever Ali would have made one of his evasive maneuvers that left him off balance for short period of time, Tyson would have eploited it. By moving in.
ali broke the boxing technical rule book constantly. how do you box some one that is technically not fighting by the same rules? sonny was an amazing boxer but all his boxing knowledge was no good here it simply didnt apply when ali was fighting like this there is little you could have done, unless you worked as hard as frazier did (or were hypnotised and broke his jaw in round 2. norton) the point being muhammad ali was the greatest fastest heavy weight and tyson would have got destroyed
@daftage that was for all the dumb fucks who keep saying tyson would have destroyed ali.... sorry but its just plain fantasy tyson would have done the same as liston did here. i doubt tyson would actually quit. he would keep answering the bell but it would be buster douglas or lennox lewis all over again he never had the heart or the work ethic when it wasnt going his way unlike frazier who would happily do 15 hard rounds tyson was always tiring badly by round 6 carrying all that mucsle
@daftage Not even close. Tyson is faster, stronger, more powerful, more accurate and had more reflexes than Liston.
Tyson's loss came when his trainer died and he didnt had the same discipline. After his time in jail he wasnt even close to the same Tyson he was in his prime
@XionComrade Im not sure if you are serious with that...Tyson's style of fight doesnt require a long reach. He is more of a close range fighter. Check this fight again and you will see that Liston was only aiming for Ali's head even when Ali's body was wide open. Tyson wouldnt make that mistake
@abdcc Not completely :P Liston went to the body plenty of times in this fight, it did him quite a bit of good as Ali slowed later, but his hands were still just to fast...easily the quickest I have ever seen at heavy, bar none.
@abdcc yes he was all that better than liston but ali would have found away to outlast tyson and eventually break him down. one of tysons greatest attributes was the fear he put in boxers tyson knew when someone was scared and when he knew he felt invincible. ali would never have been scared and he would make sure tyson knew it. tyson was good but his boxing skills cant be compared to ali, tyson was a brute force puncher. ali was pure boxing class. my money would be on the greatest
@daftage Ali's jaw was broken in the final round against norton, its a popular misconception that ali's jaw was broken so early as to enhance ali's legend. Have you ever broken a bone?? If you had you would know the pain!! Don't think you could go 13 rounds with a broken jaw never mind plus taking punches on the said broken jaw. He 's ali not superman. Dundee later confirmed the jaw was broken in the final round this was supported by a doctor.
I wonder how badly Frazier would have kicked Ali's ass had he not been partially blinded in his left eye throughout the majority of his career. A peak Frazier beats a peak Clay/Ali most of the time and a peak Foreman gets out-boxed by the peak Clay/Ali.
"He's getting hit with all the punches in the book." That pretty much sums it up. Anyone looking at this version of Ali who thinks he could be beat by Tyson has the IQ of Tyson.
yeh but ali wanted to stop the fight after getting blinded in the heat of the moment. He said he can't see he can't fight take off sonnys gloves to cach him cheeting but it would ruin his shot a the belt. Dundee forced him out there and a blind ali doged. After a beating in the next round Sonny knew it wore off and pulled the classic I'm injured crap that know one belives.
Ali won the 1st round. Liston was open for the right hand all round. Ali should have used his hands to protect himself better a guy like holyfield would have landed punches on ali.
I don't know - Cooper Floored him, Banks floored him. He could be hit, but you had to have fast hands. Liston certainly isn;t going to be confused with someone having fast hands
@polytide50 yeah but vs cooper he was taking the piss. he was flirthing with liz taylor mid round at 1 one ponit. ofc your gonna get hit if your doing shit like that. funny as fuck tho :)
@POTATER1228 Tell that to Henry Cooper, who flattened him. He had problems with guys with fast hooks, because he pulled his head back. Against a slug like Liston, or short guys, he didn't get hit much though.
@POTATER1228 Cooper was a good fighter, for sure. But how about Doug Jones, who hurt him as well. Sonny Banks floored him too. It's strange, when young he didn't have a very good chin, but after Frazier I, you'd need a sledge to get his attention.
But, he relied way too much on natural talent, and never did learn to box correctly. He was so talented, most fights he got away with it, but some he suffered in because of it.
Not to overly defend Ali, but Ali was in his early 20's when he fought Banks and cooper. Still growing physically and a little green. I think Ali learned pretty well from those experiences, and as he aged to 25 and even a little bit after his layoff, he was able to throw harder and take it better, despite losing his speed.
@TA152H01 continued THERE IS NO DOUBT that Ali was lazy during his training as he ballooned in weight in between fights. And he was undertrained for Frazier 1+3. And his style was VERY unorthodox. Sometimes leading with his right. Keeping his hands low. Pulling back instead of slipping. And making virtually NO body punches. Technically speaking he was Awful But I think that his akward style and speed threw opponents off guard.
@POTATER1228 I don't think it was his style, he was just a very talented guy. He had problems with some guys, but others were just not talented enough to deal with him. Pulling back got him hammered by guys like Frazier and Norton. His lack of body punching would never be a good thing.
But, let's face it, a heavyweight with a chin, a good jab, and very good hand speed and movement is very, very hard to beat. It's just not common at that weight.
@ph1484 lol, complete BS. the left hooks that floored him twice were in his later career when he was a completely different fighter and much older, and in my opinion, not as brilliant as his pre-ban younger self. no one could touch ali before he was incarcerated. hes like a god in the ring, he was born for it. its a shame that his best years were taken from him by a corrupt and greedy government. Ali the greatest forever
@blobland19899 What 's BS aout what I said?? Sonny Banks? Henry Cooper? Alan Hudson? Left hook - like I said, genius - is the only shot that ever floored him. Only one to wobble him with a right hand, as far as I remember, was Earnie Shavers.
@POTATER1228 Indeed. Ali dodged punches like nothing I've ever seen. Uncannily, he'd often move *just* far enough to place his head out of range by about half an inch. Unreal.
@POTATER1228 Not exactly true; he was vulnerable to the left hook (Cooper, Frazier, etc.) I think he kept his hands low because it made his jab just a little quicker. It's true he was seldom hit in the head in those days, but he did take a few left hooks. Probably the quickest reflexes I've ever seen in a fighter, and a hero on several levels for an entire generation that grew up watching him. Like me.
@buckfan1969 Oh yes the left hook. that's the punch that Norton completely abused Ali with. Yes. Ali in his day did get hooked every once in a while. but at the time it really didnt count for much at the time. as he avoided everything else. I wonder if inexpereinced yet fast Ali could have hung in there with Joe frazier of 1968-1971. ali after his layoff seemed to be "tougher" and had a little more whack to his punches
5:40 incredible speed in playing and dodging Liston's best. Even the ring announcer fooled a few seconds later saying Ali tired. Ali wasn't tired - he was just warming up!!
Lottzapoppin 3 months ago
Heavyweight boxing changed forever on this day
vashna3799 3 months ago
The fight where Cassius Clay broke his chains, stopped being a slave, by becoming Muhammad Ali.
The fight where a legend was born.
michaelyouth 3 months ago
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@michaelyouth: Hell yeah, there you go buddy. Well said.
Lottzapoppin 3 months ago
the fix was on. Ali is goat, but Liston threw this fight. Watch how where he throws his punches to the shoulder, and pulls his punches on the body shots.
shotbyjesse70 5 months ago
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@shotbyjesse70 Liston threw the fight and used a substance to blind Ali for 2 rounds? That's a smart game plan.
adrenacrumb 4 months ago
@shotbyjesse70 Is that why he tried to cheat? I mean, if you're planning to lay down, why cheat?
slimmsayton 3 months ago
@shotbyjesse70
Nah man ALi broke him physically and mentally, did you see in round one, ALi hurt him early and JOe Louis would have figured it out, Sonny was out not fixed, a gud defense beats a gud offesne, classic.
UT5000 3 weeks ago
@shotbyjesse70
And why would Lsiton use those chmeicals i think if he wasn't dying to win.
UT5000 3 weeks ago
"YOU GONNA BEAT THE UGLY OUTTA HIM!" - Drew Bundini
iLove2JacketXD 7 months ago
lots of people hit ali - he just had an overlooked iron chin.
jmt12345ify 8 months ago
thumbs up for the creepy peepy camera
lankey6969 8 months ago
Ali clobbershim in the 3rd with punches much harder than Lewiston rematch and Sonny isnt seriously hurt. An if he is hurt he doesnt go down and the roll over.
genericgeorge 8 months ago
wow ali with the hands down when he was younger was amazing, no modern heavy weight could get away with that, so confidant on his speed and reach
bhanuloku 11 months ago
It's actually stupid to compare liston to tyson. Liston was actually a good technical boxer not a come- forward marauder like tyson. The problem was that ali was taller and fasterand could outjab him. Just a stylistic nightmare for liston IMO.
mattobrien88 1 year ago
To bad Liston wasnt a world class sprinter or maybe he could have caught Ali and had a boxing match instead
whitedeviltx 1 year ago
Ali totally dominated Liston...The fight was not even close...
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 did you even watch the fight?
whitedeviltx 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx Yes...did you...???....
freein2339 1 year ago
@freein2339 Yeah but it was pretty close early on before liston tired down
whitedeviltx 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx You need to watch the fight again....Ali lost only one round and that was the round that Liston "cheated" on....The rest of the fight was damn near a sparring session...
freein2339 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx
Sir if you think the fight was close early on, you must've been watching to discredit Ali....even Joe Louis (who was a known Ali hater) said that Ali "completely outclassed" Liston in the first round.
yaiqab 1 year ago
it was obvious the boxing wasnt working for Liston,he should have mauled him tyson style..
onlyjoetee 1 year ago
theres only one way to describe Ali... The Greatest
leedsunit3d 1 year ago
@leedsunit3d I absolutely agree
danceswithwolvesful 1 year ago
One thing that always impressed me about Ali was his ability to go from dancing around, stopping on a dime, setting and punching so quickly. It takes really good balance to do that so well. He really was the greatest.
christo930 1 year ago
@ 1:24 love how Ali brings him in for somemore body shots. Shows he can handle anything Liston has.
mrcarsonj 1 year ago
@ 1:20 love how Ali brings him in for somemore body shots. Shows he can handle anything Liston has.
mrcarsonj 1 year ago
the 3rd round was the best round no doubt...Ali showed his skill in the beginning of the fight but he tired from them combos. u could tell.
jontray87 1 year ago
i still dont kno whut happen on 5:35 secs..
jontray87 1 year ago
I dont think a single head shot landed on Ali !
asrarulhaq2002 1 year ago
@asrarulhaq2002
check out from 9:28 to 9:32
abdcc 1 year ago
@abdcc OH wow, 2 head shots throughout the entire fight - man ali is rubbish to allow them to land... :)
asrarulhaq2002 1 year ago
@asrarulhaq2002 lets not act as if it was the only 2 head shots of the fight...There was more but thats the 2 that i just pointed out. If it was Tyson's punches Ali would have been knocked down
abdcc 1 year ago
@abdcc
If Ali fought Tyson, Tyson would not be the hardest puncher that Ali would have fought. Shavers, Foreman, and Liston were all bigger than Tyson and hit harder. Frazier's left hook is just as hard as Tyson's.
yaiqab 1 year ago
@yaiqab But Tyson was much quicker than these terribly slow guys you listed, he was better in pursuit than all of those guys aside from maybe foreman, he also was harder to hit with than all of these aside from possibly Frazier. I think Ali would have been in trouble if he were to fight a young 19-23 Tyson
whitedeviltx 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx at 23yrs old Tyson got destroyed by Buster Douglas, and Buster wasn't half of Ali, and at 22 Tyson went the distance with Bonecrusher Smith, Tillis, Tucker, and Green, all of these Tyson opponents were average and all the guuys Tyson did knock out were bums
markenriquez71 1 year ago
@markenriquez71 First of all its kind of stupid to compare Ali and Douglas yes, Ali was better but they were completely different styles of fighter Buster was a slugger Ali was a finesse fighter, secondlyTyson actually knocked out Douglas I got a 14 count while Buster was still down, and as far as a 35-0 champion Tucker being average is a foolish statement, I guess Spinks was a bum too huh? Not to mention Tyson made a fool out of guys who beat the shit out of Ali (Holmes, Berbick)
whitedeviltx 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx I respect your opinion Buster was no Ali and he used an Ali style vs Tyson Buster was on one elbow aware and taking advantage of the long count that was smart of him Tucker was not in the same ballpark as Ali Spinks a true light heavyweight was not a great heavyweight and Holmes Berbick come on Ali was like 90yrs old against them those were his last fights Foreman as an old man competed with Holyfield who destroyed Tyson and Ali knocked out Foreman when Ali was 32 and Foreman 24
markenriquez71 1 year ago
@whitedeviltx Your an idiot if your going to bring up fights from when ali just needed a paycheck late in life, ali was 10 times the fighter both mentally and physically tyson ever was. Boxing was in decline by the time tyson showed up
SellsZac 11 months ago
@whitedeviltx
Lol, Tyson would've lost that fight during the promotion.....as mentally fragile as Tyson was, he would've been putty in Ali's hands. Tyson fought in the same style as Floyd Patterson, and certainly was not faster than Patterson, and Patterson could not get to Ali. I'm quite incredulous that you would even bring up Ali's fights against Holmes and Berbick, as if that makes a point. That's like me bringing up Tyson's losses to Danny Williams and Kevin McBride lol.
yaiqab 1 year ago
Beat him like he was his daddy!
cbopshoowop 1 year ago
Liston had a big style disadvantage against Ali. Listons main weapon was his hard jab, but whenever he fired it he got beat by ali to the punch, because of Alis much faster jab.
Tyson would be a complete different story, Tyson was powerfull with both arms and especially powerfull in close. So whenever Ali would have made one of his evasive maneuvers that left him off balance for short period of time, Tyson would have eploited it. By moving in.
eizieizz 1 year ago
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eizieizz 1 year ago
Ali moves backwards too much,a prime tyson would just get momentum..boom,splat..real fast!
TheGatorfan93 1 year ago
ali broke the boxing technical rule book constantly. how do you box some one that is technically not fighting by the same rules? sonny was an amazing boxer but all his boxing knowledge was no good here it simply didnt apply when ali was fighting like this there is little you could have done, unless you worked as hard as frazier did (or were hypnotised and broke his jaw in round 2. norton) the point being muhammad ali was the greatest fastest heavy weight and tyson would have got destroyed
daftage 1 year ago
@daftage that was for all the dumb fucks who keep saying tyson would have destroyed ali.... sorry but its just plain fantasy tyson would have done the same as liston did here. i doubt tyson would actually quit. he would keep answering the bell but it would be buster douglas or lennox lewis all over again he never had the heart or the work ethic when it wasnt going his way unlike frazier who would happily do 15 hard rounds tyson was always tiring badly by round 6 carrying all that mucsle
daftage 1 year ago
@daftage Not even close. Tyson is faster, stronger, more powerful, more accurate and had more reflexes than Liston.
Tyson's loss came when his trainer died and he didnt had the same discipline. After his time in jail he wasnt even close to the same Tyson he was in his prime
abdcc 1 year ago
@abdcc Tyson wasn't as strong and didn't punch near as hard....Other than that you are right on the money, the speed of Mike KILLED
XionComrade 1 year ago
@abdcc ...Liston also has 13-14 inches in reach on Mike Tyson, with this version of Ali he wouldn't hardly get a single shot in.
XionComrade 1 year ago
@XionComrade Im not sure if you are serious with that...Tyson's style of fight doesnt require a long reach. He is more of a close range fighter. Check this fight again and you will see that Liston was only aiming for Ali's head even when Ali's body was wide open. Tyson wouldnt make that mistake
abdcc 1 year ago
@abdcc Not completely :P Liston went to the body plenty of times in this fight, it did him quite a bit of good as Ali slowed later, but his hands were still just to fast...easily the quickest I have ever seen at heavy, bar none.
XionComrade 1 year ago
@abdcc yes he was all that better than liston but ali would have found away to outlast tyson and eventually break him down. one of tysons greatest attributes was the fear he put in boxers tyson knew when someone was scared and when he knew he felt invincible. ali would never have been scared and he would make sure tyson knew it. tyson was good but his boxing skills cant be compared to ali, tyson was a brute force puncher. ali was pure boxing class. my money would be on the greatest
daftage 1 year ago
@daftage Ali's jaw was broken in the final round against norton, its a popular misconception that ali's jaw was broken so early as to enhance ali's legend. Have you ever broken a bone?? If you had you would know the pain!! Don't think you could go 13 rounds with a broken jaw never mind plus taking punches on the said broken jaw. He 's ali not superman. Dundee later confirmed the jaw was broken in the final round this was supported by a doctor.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
Sonny was a bad motherfucker. he would have put away another fighter but
this was not just another fighter here in Cassius Clay, this was somebody from another galaxy and moving around like a UFO.
milesmuhldoon1 1 year ago
7:25 "but clay did talk to sunny", LOL
sajack100 1 year ago
he would have really struggled with tyson. ooooh what a fight that would be say 66 ali 86 tyson.
gregm20072007 1 year ago
I wonder what it would have been like if foreman and frazier had fought at this time the young cassius clay
MrVaquero89 1 year ago
@MrVaquero89
I wonder how badly Frazier would have kicked Ali's ass had he not been partially blinded in his left eye throughout the majority of his career. A peak Frazier beats a peak Clay/Ali most of the time and a peak Foreman gets out-boxed by the peak Clay/Ali.
gl514 1 year ago
Liston would have probably beaten almost anyone in this fight including a post exile Ali.
But he happened to be fighting the greatest in his prime. Too bad for Sonny...amazing for Ali
reznick8 1 year ago
Liston had more boxing skills than Foreman.
billthestinker 1 year ago
@billthestinker
absolutely
he was a tactician in the ring
reznick8 1 year ago
imagine ali 22 vs tyson 22
WastemanDotCom 1 year ago
"He's getting hit with all the punches in the book." That pretty much sums it up. Anyone looking at this version of Ali who thinks he could be beat by Tyson has the IQ of Tyson.
chomsky88 1 year ago
liston threw both fights this is a joke, the biggest tragedy in heavyweight history
crahster 1 year ago
@crahster you're not very smart are you? can you prove it? You're just a hater who's angry that Alui was so good. how pathetic.
Stubbsy129 1 year ago
and i thought it was...Take out head and body follows...not take body and head folos
otherdude15 1 year ago
haha...
Ali play Liston like a 13yr old against an 10-11yr old....
lmao
otherdude15 1 year ago
sonny liston used that illegal substance on his gloves to blind ali for a couple rounds.cheater
southernboi229 2 years ago 19
@southernboi229
yeh but ali wanted to stop the fight after getting blinded in the heat of the moment. He said he can't see he can't fight take off sonnys gloves to cach him cheeting but it would ruin his shot a the belt. Dundee forced him out there and a blind ali doged. After a beating in the next round Sonny knew it wore off and pulled the classic I'm injured crap that know one belives.
lindarmusic 1 year ago
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jhgosnell 4 months ago
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Ali won the 1st round. Liston was open for the right hand all round. Ali should have used his hands to protect himself better a guy like holyfield would have landed punches on ali.
cedgebone 2 years ago
naa
emjaymoggs 2 years ago
@cedgebone ali kept his hands low on purpose. no one could catch him with a headshot in his prime
POTATER1228 2 years ago 15
I don't know - Cooper Floored him, Banks floored him. He could be hit, but you had to have fast hands. Liston certainly isn;t going to be confused with someone having fast hands
polytide50 1 year ago
Cooper and Banks knocked ali down early in career.
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@polytide50 yeah but vs cooper he was taking the piss. he was flirthing with liz taylor mid round at 1 one ponit. ofc your gonna get hit if your doing shit like that. funny as fuck tho :)
evol121 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Tell that to Henry Cooper, who flattened him. He had problems with guys with fast hooks, because he pulled his head back. Against a slug like Liston, or short guys, he didn't get hit much though.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01 fair enough. But Cooper is tough. And at least Ali recovered and learned he had some whiskers
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Cooper was a good fighter, for sure. But how about Doug Jones, who hurt him as well. Sonny Banks floored him too. It's strange, when young he didn't have a very good chin, but after Frazier I, you'd need a sledge to get his attention.
But, he relied way too much on natural talent, and never did learn to box correctly. He was so talented, most fights he got away with it, but some he suffered in because of it.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@TA152H01.
Not to overly defend Ali, but Ali was in his early 20's when he fought Banks and cooper. Still growing physically and a little green. I think Ali learned pretty well from those experiences, and as he aged to 25 and even a little bit after his layoff, he was able to throw harder and take it better, despite losing his speed.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@TA152H01 continued THERE IS NO DOUBT that Ali was lazy during his training as he ballooned in weight in between fights. And he was undertrained for Frazier 1+3. And his style was VERY unorthodox. Sometimes leading with his right. Keeping his hands low. Pulling back instead of slipping. And making virtually NO body punches. Technically speaking he was Awful But I think that his akward style and speed threw opponents off guard.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 I don't think it was his style, he was just a very talented guy. He had problems with some guys, but others were just not talented enough to deal with him. Pulling back got him hammered by guys like Frazier and Norton. His lack of body punching would never be a good thing.
But, let's face it, a heavyweight with a chin, a good jab, and very good hand speed and movement is very, very hard to beat. It's just not common at that weight.
TA152H01 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Well, not exactly true. Look at 10:45 of part 1. Left hook is his cryptonite. It's the only shot that's floored him.
ph1484 9 months ago
@ph1484 lol, complete BS. the left hooks that floored him twice were in his later career when he was a completely different fighter and much older, and in my opinion, not as brilliant as his pre-ban younger self. no one could touch ali before he was incarcerated. hes like a god in the ring, he was born for it. its a shame that his best years were taken from him by a corrupt and greedy government. Ali the greatest forever
blobland19899 9 months ago
@blobland19899 What 's BS aout what I said?? Sonny Banks? Henry Cooper? Alan Hudson? Left hook - like I said, genius - is the only shot that ever floored him. Only one to wobble him with a right hand, as far as I remember, was Earnie Shavers.
ph1484 9 months ago
@POTATER1228 Indeed. Ali dodged punches like nothing I've ever seen. Uncannily, he'd often move *just* far enough to place his head out of range by about half an inch. Unreal.
polymath7 7 months ago
@POTATER1228 Not exactly true; he was vulnerable to the left hook (Cooper, Frazier, etc.) I think he kept his hands low because it made his jab just a little quicker. It's true he was seldom hit in the head in those days, but he did take a few left hooks. Probably the quickest reflexes I've ever seen in a fighter, and a hero on several levels for an entire generation that grew up watching him. Like me.
buckfan1969 5 months ago
@buckfan1969 Oh yes the left hook. that's the punch that Norton completely abused Ali with. Yes. Ali in his day did get hooked every once in a while. but at the time it really didnt count for much at the time. as he avoided everything else. I wonder if inexpereinced yet fast Ali could have hung in there with Joe frazier of 1968-1971. ali after his layoff seemed to be "tougher" and had a little more whack to his punches
POTATER1228 5 months ago