No I do not believe in Kathy and George story,because they knew what they were buying into and that was a whole lot of money,to get in on the book and the movie,they knew there was a book being writing and they found a way to get some off that money,with out George and Kathy Amityville 2 would have been made,what a couple of gold diggers.
kathy lutz came up with the idea; gradually convinced her husband there may be something supernatural in the house. the rest came when the book deal was made; george lutz just doesnt know when to stop when creating "ideas"; kathy was embarassed by this at times; there is no haunting there; no burial ground; just imaginative people telling stories and others enjoying listening to them.
I can picture Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) walk into the Amityville house with his Proton Pack and say something like "Lets show this Prehistoric Demon how we do things downtown" LOL
One thing that is true is that the murders did take place, but the Lutzes story that is harder to prove as much as I'm a skeptic when it comes to the paranormal I do try to keep an open mind.
Oh no doubt, the Lutz's created the biggest hoax ever; following the weak attempt of DeFeo's attorney's attempt to justify his murder of his siblings and parents. But makes for a great movie, regardless several families have owned this home since and NO ONE has had a problem. Certainly not anything supernatural....
Concerning the spirit realm, the bible forbids, channeling, necromancy and mediums. It is said that when they contact a dead person or a dead relative they are really speaking to demons/devils.
Ron Defeo aka Butch was on heavy street drugs. Thats widely known. And Kathy Lutz, If she wasn't on prescription drugs, I'm a monkey's uncle. It's known in that hood.
@FriendshipTown Good question. It was well known among Butch's friends for instance that he was on H and Pot and acid and etc etc. He had a very serious drug problem exacorbated by the fact that his family was mobbed up and that his father gave new meaning to the term "abusive". I grew up in Suffolk so I've heard the lore, but I also know most of this info has been published in various different places over the past thirty something years. I also believe much of it also came out in the trial.
@rubinoos1 The house has never been moved. It was built in 1924. The house that stood on that property prior to that was moved up the block (on Ireland) where it still stands today.
The Warren's are the most opportunistic, self-serving liars that helped perpetrate one of the most ALMOST convincing horror hoaxes of all time. They're just as guilty as the Lutz's are for fabricating such a story and duping the gullable into believing it.
ghost bull shit, that dude that did the murders was a deranged kid high on drugs and he hated his father, fuck voices, even if you do hear them, its all in your mind. "Spirits are attracted by certain people"? yeah mostly by delusional people, picture this, a brain can make you see vivd dreams with your eyes closed, if your brain starts misfiring it could open up the gates of hell and you would think its all true.
I think that's what they started out on, but it came back to bite them in the ass when Jay Anson and his publishing house got almost all of the money :).
I think that some perfectly explainable things happened in the house but that George and Kathy were so freaked out by their TM and crystals that they weren't able to look at these "strange occurrences" with the rational to realize that it was just a squirrel on the roof, or whatever.
you know, to be honest, i wouldnt feel entirely comfortable in that house neither. But if shit like they described wouldve happend to me while is was there, i would keep my mouth shut and search psychiatric help. Im not in to that ghost stuff, in a sense that i believe in it. I think its interesting and it does good in movies but in real life i prefer to watch out for people.
Theory: Dawn(daugher) help the drugged up brother kill the family.Forensic experts at trial said it was a loud shot gun and no one woke up.There should have been accomplices ? The father was known to be cruel to everyone.The son was always on LSD.The sister most likely hated the father.The son had pulled the trigger on the father the week before but the riffle didn't fire.AND they didn't put the son away then?Did dawn decide to help butch kill their father?Did butch freak 'cause she killed kids?
@JackieP17402@TheOpenMinded12460 Robert used a silencer on his rifle and then removed the silencer to make the house look "haunted. The family lied on their stomachs to smother them selves to sleep in a suicide cult maybe. The family may have just slept like that anyway. I am thinking it was a suicide cult and a murderous scam that failed.
Nothing happened there except six murders. The rest id fantasy. No one that has lived in the house after the Luts's has experienced anything out of the ordinary. Also the family that moved into the house after the Lutz family said there was absolutely no damage to the house. it is just a beautiful house with a tragic history.
why doesn't someone pull up a last crime scene photo of the little boy that was killed and see if the two match, including what they are wearing...that might be convincing......???????????????????
I personaly feel that the hose made roney kill his family,but i feel that the photo of the boy is a set up,the glowing in the eyes is no mystery;when u take a photo using night vision the eyes comes out glowing..
its iether glasses or a photo taken using night vision.;i mean come on that boy looks so real...if they wanted to bluff they shld hv used anther method,ppl r not idiots...BUT i do blv that the house has sme kind of an unexplainable eveil source..victims lying face down,gun shots not heard by anyone...its wierd and unexplainable dont u think????
the boy in the hallway on this vid is unclear. If you already hav'nt look at the The Real Amittyville where they show a more clearer picture of the boy in the hallway. IF you DEARRRRRRRR!!
night vision and infared technology has been in existed since 1944, the the Americans and the Nazi had night vision scopes that could be fitted on rifles.
well maybe some dude got the guts to try sleep there alone :D well i wouldnt even if i dont believe in ghosts, shit why do the phone always have to start ringing when i watch this kind of shit xD
just fact 6 people were horrifly kill i think is only fact about this whole Amityville thing. I wouldn't like to sleep in room where someone was brutally shot. fk no.
The photo of the boy with glowing eyes is a mystery. He's probably one of the dead victims. Poor soul. He couldn't go to the other side. He's trap in that stupid house. It sucks to be murder.
the photo with the little boy is the only thing unexplained although i suppose it was the days of dark rooms and i doubt there was any kind of security so the film could have been tampered with......
so funny...you watch the 70s footage - everyones young...watch the 90s'the real amityville horror' documentary and of course theyve all aged....and now this and they all look young again!!!you yanks LOVE your 'procedures' doncha? mind you, im saving for when i hit 50.......
erm well it sounds liek you need to read what I wrote a little closer too eh? Me saying how the psychics were liars(as were all the folks who say they 'feel' angry entities at that property)So you took it on yourself to argue in...agreeing with me and taking bitch tactics throwing in crap about KISS just to be a cunt all the more? I'm not trying to start anything here but you clearly are(YOU NEED TO GO REREAD)
So your saying the scenario of the murders happening by influence of ghosts/satan or indians with a grudge is more based on provable facts then someone shooting them out of hate/spite/fear or money? I dont believe in superstitions or the risiculousness that goes with them-slime in the toilets?redrooms to hell?,flying ghost pigs? give me a break haha great stuff for kids but come one?
Prove it? because physics alone stand as proof most of it couldt 'happen'...and no there really is no evidence at all about the house being haunted,Read the Night the DeFeo's Died,just slightly closer to reality,but there is no evidence to the contrary.
Oh, you mean the Osuna book eh? Well, I stand corrected.
That book was contrived and misspelled drivel--Ric wrote that book because George kicked him off the book project they had been planning (for lack of professionalism. Maybe you should re-read it) . I did read it. The only "hoax" was contrived by Weber and Kaplan. You should really look into this closer. As I said, *prove it*. Or stay at home with your Kiss (and other) fantasies.
all a load of bollocks folks...that Warren woman and her husband are ridiculous snake oil salesmen...plain and simple there are no ghosts there and the Lutzs were absolute liars lookin to make money
I've been there, it's nothing special. They've also changed the house number and the appearance of the house since then (mostly because of people like me, lol).
ive studied this for the last twenty years, i think this one, sad as i am to say it is just george lutz buying a gouse that was to expensive for him and the fact that they were very into the occult and probably scared themselves half to death. the de-feo murders are unfortunatley a sad fact.
So which is it? Are you saying they were looking for a way out because the house was too expensive, or that they were scared (for whatever reason) and fled?
Hoax! George Lutz made the whole thing up. Maybe there was some kind of spiritual presence there, but it was no where near what they described. Even Ronnie Defeo came forward and admitted that he and 2 other were responsible for the murders. No voices involved! Lutz simply tried to use Defeo's attempt to get away with murder as an excuse to get out of a house he couldn't afford and then made money with his story. The only people claiming a problem in the house are 2 people who are now dead.
So you think the Lutzes couldn't afford the house, and instead of simply selling it they decided to pretend it was haunted, in the hopes that the resulting public interest would get them a book offer? And then they'd have to hope the book was wildly successful -- more so than any previous true haunted house book has ever been -- in order to recoup that money.
That makes no sense -- too much of a gamble. Reselling the house would be simpler and more of a sure thing.
@FriendshipTown George and his wife took a lie detector test before the movie was made and they both passed it.I don't believe what they went through was a hoax.
@FriendshipTown FInally someone else thinks the same thing as me!!! I have been saying that for years ..... I even wrote a whole article about my take on what really happened (I have heavily researched this for years, and I know one of george lutzes friends) ... I truly believe something happened ... but I don't think it was as extreme as it was hyped to be. Considering people live with hauntings around the world .... for the lutzes to assume they could be more famous than others is silly.
@FriendshipTown You might want to check this out: ghostresearch. org/ articles /amityville. html (remove the spaces in the URL, Youtube wouldn't let me post it as an actual link)
@diablo9333 Why leave a house they couldn't afford to keep and made them bankrupt? Then come up with a story that solved all their money problems and then some? You decide. That's not me being cocky, its just a guy who was a good con man and his wife helped. Ever notice how the Lutz children never come forward? Because the 1 time they did, the son denied everything. The story lost all its steam when Defeo "found God" in prison and admitted there were no voices except the drug induced type. =/
ironic? how? anyways, that fact is simple: a guy pointing at you with a rifle tells you to lay on your bed facing down, of course you do what you're told. then he shoots you.
Something intangible like a haunting is hard if not impossible to prove.
But something as *tangible* as a hoax - a conspiracy - of this magnitude should be something someone could DEFINITELY prove, especially with a case over 30 years old involving a family of 5 along with a high-ranking priest and their family and friends. Someone should have fessed-up by now!
If you're so sure it was a hoax, why has no one been able to prove it as such?
This person has no idea if this was a hoax or not . . . it is amazing how with anything like this, somebody can just say, "It's a hoax!" and people will go: "It was PROVEN to be a hoax." It is interesting to note that George and Kathy Lutz to the day they died said it was not a hoax!
DUDE It dosen't matter! there are no GODS no MAGIC no ALIENS no GHOSTS NO NOTHING!! just us frakin creatures called HMANS. such stupid creatures!! I hope that what will replace us one day if Earth still exists will be more intelligent, cuse the people 'round town are as smart as a freakin SHOE. All religions are made up for one purpose and that is to give HUMANS the feeling thet they are not FREAKIN ALONE. so, WAKE UP and smell the coffe cuse you are born and then you die! and thats the TRUTH!
1/4 of a million back then, was a shit load of money. They lived quite well my friend, quite well. Not to mention paid enterviews ect. They profited off of this their whole lives, they never worked again. So do the math!!!
George filed for bankruptcy in the early '80s. So there goes that theory. You don't know anything about their lives. You just see that the books and movies made money and you assume all the profits went to the Lutzes; and since there was money made, you feel that must mean it was a hoax.
Thanks for Uploading this video!! Even though you can tell the obvious unbelieving slant, they lay out the basic facts pretty well.
If the Lutz's did this to get rich, then they were had!! The author, filmaker, and such made gobs of cash. The Lutz's made a pittance. (Esp. considering that the book alone made many millions, the family got roughly 250k for BOTH? Yeah, some hoax...
first of all, if they knew 6 people were killed, then why the fuk would u move in?They knew they were movin in to sell books and make movies. they were probly fukin living at sum hotel during the 28 days and making shit up to tell the world.
The Lutz's are/were genius's. And the Warren's cashed in on them. Biggest ghost hoax of all time. So big that to this day, some still think it's real.
Its insane to base a money-making hoax on a book deal. If the book didn't become a hit the Lutzes would lose money and the scam would be a failure. That's the sign of genius scam artists?!?
Even if the book was just moderately successful, it would be unlikely for the Lutzes to get enough royalties to cover the cost of their home. The scam would require the book to become a best-seller and lead to a film deal before they had a shot at covering their expenses and making money in the long run.
I totally agree with you. You can see the so called psychic so relished her 1 min of fame as she so importantly quoted herself " I hope this is as close to hell as I can get". She probably stayed up half the night thinking of this quote.
a lot of bad things happened to the different owners of that house. The first owners, The Moynahans died of natural causes (normal). the next family, the rileys had a bitter divorce. the next owners, the defeos, got murdered. the next family, the lutzes supposedly got chased out by ghosts. additionally both george and kathy died before the age of 60. The next family, the cromartys, had their son die of an overdose. the next family, the oneils, had their son die in 9/11.
Actually, what you are describing is life as a human being. I don't know anyone or any family who doesn't go through hard times (divorces, drugs, deaths, etc). The real horror in the house was the murder of those 6 people. I don't need ghosts to realize that LIFE is difficult and can be a horror in itself.
I know that the things I said happened are normal. It's just kind of wierd that they all happened in that house. That doesn't mean the house is haunted. I personally don't believe it's haunted. I just found it to be kind of wierd
Ghost arent real....i believe there are spirits around us but not good ones only bad ones why else would they be around? They are demons they taunt they torture and make you FEAR MENTALY AND PHYSICLY so that they may become stronger if you believe they are good it is said they are tricky and good liars so BEAWARE!
um then why are all the hauntings not there with the new people, if they did not make money does not mean that they were ripped off, but they still tried to make money and have their 15 mins of fame. 80,000 home thats not great appearance wise, they could have just hated the place and or alos the stories they make are riddiculous like the indina burial ground? come on please!
Yes, the fact that the subsequent owners haven't been haunted does seem to cast doubt onto the Lutzes; but it doesn't necessarily mean the Lutz haunting didn't happen. The entity could be dormant, or maybe the subsequent owners didn't antagonize it by blessing the house. Who knows.
If you do a little investigation into the matter, you'll see how the actions of the Lutz family do not resemble people who seek fame and fortune.
agreed there since I still believe in ghosts, what really freaked me out is the picture of the kid they took showing his head, did you see that one? I still think that its rather convinient that the ghost are dormant!
Actually, I don't think that "ghost boy" photo is showing a ghost at all. I think its a case of mistaken identity. I think its showing one of the investigators that was in the house that night. If you go to the forum listed on my youtube account page, there's a good thread on that photo with pictures of the guy who I suspect is being mistaken for the ghost boy.
I'd post a link to the thread if I could, but...
And yeah, I don't blame you for thinking its "convenient" for the ghost to be dormant
As for the Indian burial ground stories, that stuff just comes from people looking for possible answers as to why the haunting may have happened. No one knows for sure if there were burial grounds there or not. The Lutzes were told by someone at the historical society that there was, and they believed them. But maybe that info was wrong. The historical society now claims there were no burial grounds in that area.
I don't know what you're trying to say about the price of the house, though.
they earned fortune from tragedy the Lutz only know what is the truth, and they will feel it in their graves.
if Ghosts are real, I would think that they are stained into the earth meaning that they are just repeating what they did when alive like a photo but not a still shot. If I were a ghost I would go to Area 51 and spoke everyone
Yes, only the Lutzes know what really happened to them.
No, they did not earn a fortune. The people who earned a fortune were Jay Anson (author of the book) and the producers of the movie. The Lutzes were ripped-off by Hollywood, which is normal procedure in the Entertainment Industry (or indeed most industries) when dealing with people in their position.
You simply don't give up your $80,000 home in the hopes that your haunted house story will become a best-seller.
Anyone who goes to their deathbed, especially when both went to their deathbed, & on their deathbed still claimed something as the "truth", knowing that they're soon to meet their maker.. or not.. I have to consider to be the truth as they perceived it.
Man i tottally believe everything the Lutzes said...That Weber guy is a huge liar out for money thats why he hasnt shown "the tapes he recoreded". Also, all people saying the ENTIRE thing was a hoax your just being ignorant, i mean, Friendship Town has laid the facts down in his comments and shown the facts in his vids....why dont you hoax people show some real evidence..maybe a reference such as a website, or book?
are you gonna make the comment friendshiptown? the fuckin house aint haunted.the lutzs are bald faced liars! do your research and expose this thing for what it is a fuckin hoax!! ghost stories?boo!!!!!!!
I've done lots of research. I have no agenda but to find the truth. From what I've researched, the evidence supports a haunting more so than a hoax. That doesn't mean there is proof of the haunting being real. There is no proof that ghosts are real, so how can you prove a haunting?
The evidence supporting a hoax is totally weak and full of holes. The evidence supporting a haunting isn't conclusive, but it is stronger than the hoax evidence. Does this better explain my position???
Are you gonna leave the same comment on all of my Amityville videos? Too funny! And on one of them, you even suggest that I am the one who needs to get a life...
Well Mr Salmonela, the Lutzes made very little money from the books and movies. Certainly not what you'd expect from master con-men. And yet it would take the work of a master con man to create such a huge hoax - one that still hasn't been uncovered in over 30 years!
Yes. Toilets that flushed for no reason at all, and seemed to trying to speak, to make speech, as if their pipes were throats, like someone whose mouth had frozen trying to speak, or like dogs vocalize in their throats.
The entire thing is skewed by money. Lutz was assured of millions of dollars if he kept the hoax alive. And paid off various people to keep things trucking. There were hoax sites with detailed facts showing all the inaccuracies and crossed stories form Lutz over the years. Lutz routinely sued these people and got them taken down. Amityville Horror was a close to billion dollar industry. That kind of money changes all the rules.
1. Claims of cloven hoofed footprints in the snow were a lie. No snow in the area for the time the Lutzes were there.
2.All claims of doors being blown open and cabinets being smashed were lies. All the doors and hardware in the house were original and showed no sign of damage after the Lutzes left.
3.Its a known fact the Lutzes came back to the house after they supposedly 'fled in terror' to have a yard sale. I mean it goes on and on and on but these are the most easily proved lies.
1. Yes, it did snow during the month the Lutzes lived in Amityville
2. A good repair job won't show previous signs of damage
3. The Lutzes didn't hold a yard sale - there was an auction of their belongings done in their behalf. The Lutzes were not in attendance. This fact is supported by Stephen Kaplan - a man who spent 20 years of his life trying to prove the haunting was a hoax.
1. No it did not. None of the weather in the book correlates to reality. You know what that is dont you? 2. Old hardware is old hardware, and cannot be made to look like old hardware. You cannot repair doors that are blown out like as described in the book, they have to be replaced. 3. They held a yard sale and were in attendance 4. The 'hidden room' was really just an access room to the pipes in the house so they could be easily accessible. Nothing sinister about it.
1. There is a huge difference between stating "no snow during their stay" to "no snow on the date the book claimed." Anson admitted to changing dates and events around to make the book flow better. It was a fact-based novel, not a scientific article. In fact, it contains some pure fiction, such as the slime oozing from the walls (which the Lutzes claimed never happened).
So just because there was no snow on the date Anson uses does not mean it was all a lie...
2. Where is the proof that the hinges were never repaired or replaced? Neither the book or movie states the door was replaced. Both describe the door as left dangling off of one hinge. In the book, it describes George as being able to close the door with a little effort, shortly after discovering it...
3. Go read Kaplan's book. Even though he felt the story was a hoax, he claims he was there on the day of the auction and states the Lutzes were NOT there. And he'd be the last one to help them.
It's been a long time since I read the book, but I thought at least one character, maybe Mr. Lutz, had dark imaginings about animal sacrifice and terrible things that happened in the red room. It seemed to haunt him, and I think I recall that he went in with an ax to bust it up> But them, some other writer could have borrowed and elaborated the little room theme. It was scary!
I have a friend that knew the Lutzes when they resided in Fountain Hills, AZ. He met them when they were selling Amway products. He said they didn't talk about their past experiences much but when asked they said that the events they described really happened, but that the movie was mostly fake.
There's a ;gend going around that the Native Americans that originally were on the land buried a rival tribe face down (so as to shame them). Some have hypthosized that this is the reason the DeFeo's were found face down...Just an interesting side note.
Personally, I don't like to explore the possible reasons why the haunting occured. Not only is it all pure speculation, but I'm not a big enthusiast when it comes to the supernatural. So I mainly focus on exploring different hoax theories and seeing if I can find anything that supports or disagrees with the Lutzes' story.
Then don't call it the "supernatural." Personally I've never liked that word anyhow. When you say supernatural you think "beyond nature." -No such thing in my book. Everything is natural. It's just that some things are not well understood.
I look on it the exact same way - that just because we don't understand certain phenomenon today doesn't mean its "not real" or "due to someone's imagination."
But its awkward stating that I'm not a big enthusiast of "things that are not yet understood by science," so I use the term "supernatural."
Nothing wrong with the term, or with people who are enthusiasts of it - its just not my thing (with the exception of Amity and a few other reported hauntings)...
I mean, I've done alot of research, and all evidence tends to point that they were telling the truth. I think Anson and Kaplan were flocked to them with dollar signs in their eyes.
I do tend to believe the Lutzes. By all rights, I should be on the "pro-hoax side" because I have a hard time believing ghosts exist. But like you say, when you research what the Lutzes have said, and when you explore the various hoax theories - it all seems to favor the Lutzes.
While polygraphs are inadmissable, they are far from worthless. Read up on that - you'll be surprised. Do you watch Mythbusters? They did a pretty good episode on polygraphs recently.
The kids were young in 1976, but not too young to remember things - especially traumatic experiences. The oldest son was 11 years old. I think virtually everyone remembers things prior to their 11th bday.
I answered the weather question above - for a detailed answer, go to the forum I list in my youtube profile.
There is no proof of the haunting. Such phenomenon typically does not lend itself to leaving solid evidence.
I think the strongest evidence to support this haunting is the fact that both George and Kathy passed individual polygraph tests, the fact that no one involved has stepped forward and "come clean," and the fact that most hoax theories simply do not add up.
bullshit doesnt tend to leave much physical evidence
-polygraphs are worthless, which is why they are inadmissable in any court of law. They are what police officers use to soften a subject during interrogation
-hows going to step foward? the lutz kids who were small children in 1975?
-hoax "theories" only dont add up to the likes of you.
answer this, why do they lutzes have EVERY single weather date wrong?
Not sure why anyone would just assume that the Lutz's were lying. Would you just up and leave you home and all your belongings for no good reason? You would end up bankrupt and penniless.
Because it didnt happen like that. They left in an orderly fashion and even came back to the house a few days later to have a lawn sale. Doesnt sound like they were "scared out of their minds".
While they may have left in a semi-orderly fashion (not running/screaming in the night as the movie shows), they certainly did not return a few days later to hold a lawn sale.
The Lutzes wanted to simply get their house "fixed" so they could move back in. But when they were told by the paranormal experts that there was no guarantee of fixing the house, the Lutzes decided to move, and they auctioned off their belongings.
The auction was held by professionals - the Lutzes were not there.
the lutz's were not there because the sale was an auction by the bank which by that time owned the house and all the articles inside it. the house was foreclosed on by the Lutz's..they took nothing with them when they left.
That was NOT an auction by the bank - it was handled on behalf of the Lutzes with the proceeds going to the Lutzes.
Stephen Kaplan confirms this in his book "The Amityville Horror Conspiracy." And remember that Kaplan was no friend of the Lutzes - he spent his whole life trying to prove the haunting to be a hoax...
The DeFayo's (sp?) were a truly screwed up family before they moved into the house, whatever was there just used that against them. The father was violent and cruel to all so he had to go; the mother didn't stop any of it so she could keep her man; and the children would have had no one to care for them so he killed them as well
They had no motive to lie. They left with the clothes on their backs and nothing else. If it were financial gain, they could've easily gone backrupt in the process.
The only way to prove to the people who dont believe is spend the 28 full days in the house
sevenbelow2009 1 week ago
No I do not believe in Kathy and George story,because they knew what they were buying into and that was a whole lot of money,to get in on the book and the movie,they knew there was a book being writing and they found a way to get some off that money,with out George and Kathy Amityville 2 would have been made,what a couple of gold diggers.
bottel01 2 months ago
make your blood boil? what the hell does that mean?
lobo65ish 5 months ago
kathy lutz came up with the idea; gradually convinced her husband there may be something supernatural in the house. the rest came when the book deal was made; george lutz just doesnt know when to stop when creating "ideas"; kathy was embarassed by this at times; there is no haunting there; no burial ground; just imaginative people telling stories and others enjoying listening to them.
r2d2record 5 months ago
I can picture Peter Venkman (Bill Murray) walk into the Amityville house with his Proton Pack and say something like "Lets show this Prehistoric Demon how we do things downtown" LOL
Astraldragon1 6 months ago
One thing that is true is that the murders did take place, but the Lutzes story that is harder to prove as much as I'm a skeptic when it comes to the paranormal I do try to keep an open mind.
Chantholli89 8 months ago
its funny how know one believes God exisits
srrybutjk 1 year ago
Oh and I did I mention he drank? Yes he also had a drinking problem.
just4funzees 1 year ago
Oh no doubt, the Lutz's created the biggest hoax ever; following the weak attempt of DeFeo's attorney's attempt to justify his murder of his siblings and parents. But makes for a great movie, regardless several families have owned this home since and NO ONE has had a problem. Certainly not anything supernatural....
kaidosbuddy 1 year ago
Concerning the spirit realm, the bible forbids, channeling, necromancy and mediums. It is said that when they contact a dead person or a dead relative they are really speaking to demons/devils.
Skyheartstar777 1 year ago
Ron Defeo aka Butch was on heavy street drugs. Thats widely known. And Kathy Lutz, If she wasn't on prescription drugs, I'm a monkey's uncle. It's known in that hood.
just4funzees 1 year ago
@just4funzees How could the people in "that hood" know kathy was on drugs? They were only there for a month!
FriendshipTown 1 year ago
@FriendshipTown Good question. It was well known among Butch's friends for instance that he was on H and Pot and acid and etc etc. He had a very serious drug problem exacorbated by the fact that his family was mobbed up and that his father gave new meaning to the term "abusive". I grew up in Suffolk so I've heard the lore, but I also know most of this info has been published in various different places over the past thirty something years. I also believe much of it also came out in the trial.
just4funzees 1 year ago
George Lutz and Ronnie DeFeo Jr looked a lot alike back then. Just an observation.
DessertDivaFL 1 year ago
Is it true that the house was moved to another street in Amityville?
rubinoos1 1 year ago
@rubinoos1 almost, the house was moved judt down the street
Juggalo71493 1 year ago
@rubinoos1 The house has never been moved. It was built in 1924. The house that stood on that property prior to that was moved up the block (on Ireland) where it still stands today.
FriendshipTown 1 year ago
True story Georges Lutz said the truth!
Truth4Everyone 1 year ago
The Warren's are the most opportunistic, self-serving liars that helped perpetrate one of the most ALMOST convincing horror hoaxes of all time. They're just as guilty as the Lutz's are for fabricating such a story and duping the gullable into believing it.
MissRyoko75 1 year ago
i love Lorraine Warren,she has such a warm personality.don't know if i buy into all of this,but it sure makes for a great story!
dimebagdave77 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading. Whether people believe it or not no one can deny how interesting it is to hear about it.
bobafettucini 1 year ago
that is really freaky looking kid thats suppossed to be a ghost.
ladyyaki 1 year ago
never mind
APRIL62318 2 years ago
it is wrong they were murdered on nov 14 not halloween night
APRIL62318 2 years ago
sometimes spirits are attracted to certain people that is why nobody else has experienced anything
APRIL62318 2 years ago
ghost bull shit, that dude that did the murders was a deranged kid high on drugs and he hated his father, fuck voices, even if you do hear them, its all in your mind. "Spirits are attracted by certain people"? yeah mostly by delusional people, picture this, a brain can make you see vivd dreams with your eyes closed, if your brain starts misfiring it could open up the gates of hell and you would think its all true.
papichulobumber1 2 years ago
I think that APRIL is thinking of poltergeist activity which parapsychologist theorize is attracted to individuals.
I think that the Lutz's were fucking around with New-Age bullshit and scared the crap out of themselves.
thegirl44 1 year ago
@thegirl44
The lutzes were busy with a grand money scheme, thats what i think.
papichulobumber1 1 year ago
I think that's what they started out on, but it came back to bite them in the ass when Jay Anson and his publishing house got almost all of the money :).
I think that some perfectly explainable things happened in the house but that George and Kathy were so freaked out by their TM and crystals that they weren't able to look at these "strange occurrences" with the rational to realize that it was just a squirrel on the roof, or whatever.
thegirl44 1 year ago
you know, to be honest, i wouldnt feel entirely comfortable in that house neither. But if shit like they described wouldve happend to me while is was there, i would keep my mouth shut and search psychiatric help. Im not in to that ghost stuff, in a sense that i believe in it. I think its interesting and it does good in movies but in real life i prefer to watch out for people.
papichulobumber1 1 year ago
We need more people like you in this world, papi.
thegirl44 1 year ago
We are many. not that our name is Manny, but ehh...you know?
Actually more of me would be very confusing, the world might tip off its axis.
papichulobumber1 1 year ago
:).
thegirl44 1 year ago
@papichulobumber1 well said my friend.
dimebagdave77 1 year ago
@dimebagdave77
Thank you, but im just keeping it 'real'
papichulobumber1 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading!
Italblessings 2 years ago
its hunted cant u people see
its on indain land for sure it be haunted
if u go by your self but nobody has the balls
to go in there by your self cuss yall are fuckin scared then u say its not haunted bitch pls
stonecold651 2 years ago
i believe its all true.
Mizz616 2 years ago
I agree also.
transformersvoice 2 years ago
Theory: Dawn(daugher) help the drugged up brother kill the family.Forensic experts at trial said it was a loud shot gun and no one woke up.There should have been accomplices ? The father was known to be cruel to everyone.The son was always on LSD.The sister most likely hated the father.The son had pulled the trigger on the father the week before but the riffle didn't fire.AND they didn't put the son away then?Did dawn decide to help butch kill their father?Did butch freak 'cause she killed kids?
marcusa222 2 years ago
The fact that no one in the neighborhood heard the gunshots and all of the bodies were found lying on their stomachs baffles me.
JackieP17402 2 years ago 7
@JackieP17402 @TheOpenMinded12460 Robert used a silencer on his rifle and then removed the silencer to make the house look "haunted. The family lied on their stomachs to smother them selves to sleep in a suicide cult maybe. The family may have just slept like that anyway. I am thinking it was a suicide cult and a murderous scam that failed.
TheOpenminded12460 9 months ago
it is weird though. each body was face down. no one heard the shots of others being shot. weird
bobbystj 2 years ago
Nothing happened there except six murders. The rest id fantasy. No one that has lived in the house after the Luts's has experienced anything out of the ordinary. Also the family that moved into the house after the Lutz family said there was absolutely no damage to the house. it is just a beautiful house with a tragic history.
dimetr1 2 years ago
why doesn't someone pull up a last crime scene photo of the little boy that was killed and see if the two match, including what they are wearing...that might be convincing......???????????????????
nateboytwo 2 years ago
I personaly feel that the hose made roney kill his family,but i feel that the photo of the boy is a set up,the glowing in the eyes is no mystery;when u take a photo using night vision the eyes comes out glowing..
chanugaya 2 years ago
Firsr: there was no nightvision in 1976.
second: TO ME the photo shows the kid wearing glasses. I DONT KNOW..AM I SEEING THINGS???
itsoverforuman 2 years ago
its iether glasses or a photo taken using night vision.;i mean come on that boy looks so real...if they wanted to bluff they shld hv used anther method,ppl r not idiots...BUT i do blv that the house has sme kind of an unexplainable eveil source..victims lying face down,gun shots not heard by anyone...its wierd and unexplainable dont u think????
chanugaya 2 years ago
OR DAREEEEEEE! yea that's it.
itsoverforuman 2 years ago
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I think its vid 5 and tell me what you think
itsoverforuman 2 years ago
the boy in the hallway on this vid is unclear. If you already hav'nt look at the The Real Amittyville where they show a more clearer picture of the boy in the hallway. IF you DEARRRRRRRR!!
itsoverforuman 2 years ago
night vision and infared technology has been in existed since 1944, the the Americans and the Nazi had night vision scopes that could be fitted on rifles.
gooyzit 2 years ago
WOW! Had no idea. Thanx! Those germans think of everything. Huh?
itsoverforuman 2 years ago
well maybe some dude got the guts to try sleep there alone :D well i wouldnt even if i dont believe in ghosts, shit why do the phone always have to start ringing when i watch this kind of shit xD
andy00oo 2 years ago
just fact 6 people were horrifly kill i think is only fact about this whole Amityville thing. I wouldn't like to sleep in room where someone was brutally shot. fk no.
foxygermangirl123 2 years ago
The photo of the boy with glowing eyes is a mystery. He's probably one of the dead victims. Poor soul. He couldn't go to the other side. He's trap in that stupid house. It sucks to be murder.
OS253 2 years ago
the photo with the little boy is the only thing unexplained although i suppose it was the days of dark rooms and i doubt there was any kind of security so the film could have been tampered with......
ezmereldagreen 2 years ago
so funny...you watch the 70s footage - everyones young...watch the 90s'the real amityville horror' documentary and of course theyve all aged....and now this and they all look young again!!!you yanks LOVE your 'procedures' doncha? mind you, im saving for when i hit 50.......
ezmereldagreen 2 years ago
erm well it sounds liek you need to read what I wrote a little closer too eh? Me saying how the psychics were liars(as were all the folks who say they 'feel' angry entities at that property)So you took it on yourself to argue in...agreeing with me and taking bitch tactics throwing in crap about KISS just to be a cunt all the more? I'm not trying to start anything here but you clearly are(YOU NEED TO GO REREAD)
AlphaOrange75 2 years ago
So your saying the scenario of the murders happening by influence of ghosts/satan or indians with a grudge is more based on provable facts then someone shooting them out of hate/spite/fear or money? I dont believe in superstitions or the risiculousness that goes with them-slime in the toilets?redrooms to hell?,flying ghost pigs? give me a break haha great stuff for kids but come one?
AlphaOrange75 2 years ago
Prove it? because physics alone stand as proof most of it couldt 'happen'...and no there really is no evidence at all about the house being haunted,Read the Night the DeFeo's Died,just slightly closer to reality,but there is no evidence to the contrary.
AlphaOrange75 2 years ago
Oh, you mean the Osuna book eh? Well, I stand corrected.
That book was contrived and misspelled drivel--Ric wrote that book because George kicked him off the book project they had been planning (for lack of professionalism. Maybe you should re-read it) . I did read it. The only "hoax" was contrived by Weber and Kaplan. You should really look into this closer. As I said, *prove it*. Or stay at home with your Kiss (and other) fantasies.
venomous666 2 years ago 2
all a load of bollocks folks...that Warren woman and her husband are ridiculous snake oil salesmen...plain and simple there are no ghosts there and the Lutzs were absolute liars lookin to make money
AlphaOrange75 2 years ago
Prove it. There's evidence to the contrary. Go ahead, prove it.
venomous666 2 years ago
lol at 1990's special effects. They were so dramatic back then.
GalaxyClub 2 years ago 2
Does anyone still live in the house? I heard a family moved in after the Lutz family moved out.
MonkeyOctober 2 years ago
haha
i live in los angeles, and i'd always wanted to go
but when my friend told me about the story i was like "fuck it"
haha =]
jakemma73733737 2 years ago
I've been there, it's nothing special. They've also changed the house number and the appearance of the house since then (mostly because of people like me, lol).
jjobie 2 years ago
ohhh LOOL. :)
jakemma73733737 2 years ago
ive studied this for the last twenty years, i think this one, sad as i am to say it is just george lutz buying a gouse that was to expensive for him and the fact that they were very into the occult and probably scared themselves half to death. the de-feo murders are unfortunatley a sad fact.
kelchi72 2 years ago 2
So which is it? Are you saying they were looking for a way out because the house was too expensive, or that they were scared (for whatever reason) and fled?
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
Hoax! George Lutz made the whole thing up. Maybe there was some kind of spiritual presence there, but it was no where near what they described. Even Ronnie Defeo came forward and admitted that he and 2 other were responsible for the murders. No voices involved! Lutz simply tried to use Defeo's attempt to get away with murder as an excuse to get out of a house he couldn't afford and then made money with his story. The only people claiming a problem in the house are 2 people who are now dead.
Jimdlux 2 years ago 2
So you think the Lutzes couldn't afford the house, and instead of simply selling it they decided to pretend it was haunted, in the hopes that the resulting public interest would get them a book offer? And then they'd have to hope the book was wildly successful -- more so than any previous true haunted house book has ever been -- in order to recoup that money.
That makes no sense -- too much of a gamble. Reselling the house would be simpler and more of a sure thing.
FriendshipTown 2 years ago 9
@FriendshipTown George and his wife took a lie detector test before the movie was made and they both passed it.I don't believe what they went through was a hoax.
TheSlaughter2000 1 year ago
@FriendshipTown FInally someone else thinks the same thing as me!!! I have been saying that for years ..... I even wrote a whole article about my take on what really happened (I have heavily researched this for years, and I know one of george lutzes friends) ... I truly believe something happened ... but I don't think it was as extreme as it was hyped to be. Considering people live with hauntings around the world .... for the lutzes to assume they could be more famous than others is silly.
Trueghostgirl 1 year ago
@FriendshipTown You might want to check this out: ghostresearch. org/ articles /amityville. html
jjobie 10 months ago
@FriendshipTown You might want to check this out: ghostresearch. org/ articles /amityville. html (remove the spaces in the URL, Youtube wouldn't let me post it as an actual link)
jjobie 10 months ago
@Jimdlux If they made it up why would they flee? Why not keep it and make it a haunted attraction?
diablo9333 1 year ago
@diablo9333 Why leave a house they couldn't afford to keep and made them bankrupt? Then come up with a story that solved all their money problems and then some? You decide. That's not me being cocky, its just a guy who was a good con man and his wife helped. Ever notice how the Lutz children never come forward? Because the 1 time they did, the son denied everything. The story lost all its steam when Defeo "found God" in prison and admitted there were no voices except the drug induced type. =/
Jimdlux 1 year ago
@diablo9333 they left..then came back a week later and held a yard sale.
ToughestMilkman 1 year ago
@ToughestMilkman but still why not make it a haunted attraction? Yard sales mean nothing. Everyone has them.
diablo9333 1 year ago
With that said, I think it is true.
I can't prove it, but, there WAS a muder. That's a fact.
It still doesn't prove anything, but I wouldn't go there.
Moseslawgiver 2 years ago
I love how they made it all theatrical. LOL! Typical.
Moseslawgiver 2 years ago
All the bodies were in the same position.. Ironic?
kevynmack 2 years ago
Ironic? I don't understand. What would the irony be there?
Did you mean to say "coincidence"?
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
ironic? how? anyways, that fact is simple: a guy pointing at you with a rifle tells you to lay on your bed facing down, of course you do what you're told. then he shoots you.
melblue87 2 years ago
It was all a major hoax...and that is that.
aaahhhhaaaahhhh 2 years ago
Something intangible like a haunting is hard if not impossible to prove.
But something as *tangible* as a hoax - a conspiracy - of this magnitude should be something someone could DEFINITELY prove, especially with a case over 30 years old involving a family of 5 along with a high-ranking priest and their family and friends. Someone should have fessed-up by now!
If you're so sure it was a hoax, why has no one been able to prove it as such?
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
This person has no idea if this was a hoax or not . . . it is amazing how with anything like this, somebody can just say, "It's a hoax!" and people will go: "It was PROVEN to be a hoax." It is interesting to note that George and Kathy Lutz to the day they died said it was not a hoax!
Jstedmund 2 years ago
DUDE It dosen't matter! there are no GODS no MAGIC no ALIENS no GHOSTS NO NOTHING!! just us frakin creatures called HMANS. such stupid creatures!! I hope that what will replace us one day if Earth still exists will be more intelligent, cuse the people 'round town are as smart as a freakin SHOE. All religions are made up for one purpose and that is to give HUMANS the feeling thet they are not FREAKIN ALONE. so, WAKE UP and smell the coffe cuse you are born and then you die! and thats the TRUTH!
a4ol 2 years ago
Give me proof that there are no gods no ghosts/spirits. Give me proof that there are gods and ghosts/spirits.
kayakofan1 2 years ago
Rofl! Before you go insulting yourself, along with the entire human race, you might want to make sure your grammar and spelling are correct. :]
jessiehatesyoux 2 years ago
1/4 of a million back then, was a shit load of money. They lived quite well my friend, quite well. Not to mention paid enterviews ect. They profited off of this their whole lives, they never worked again. So do the math!!!
matsaw 3 years ago
George filed for bankruptcy in the early '80s. So there goes that theory. You don't know anything about their lives. You just see that the books and movies made money and you assume all the profits went to the Lutzes; and since there was money made, you feel that must mean it was a hoax.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
The only real Amityville Horror that exists in Amityville is the
AMITYVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT!!!!!!
berkawoo 3 years ago 2
Thanks for Uploading this video!! Even though you can tell the obvious unbelieving slant, they lay out the basic facts pretty well.
If the Lutz's did this to get rich, then they were had!! The author, filmaker, and such made gobs of cash. The Lutz's made a pittance. (Esp. considering that the book alone made many millions, the family got roughly 250k for BOTH? Yeah, some hoax...
Urk.
thefirstdaveprime 3 years ago
first of all, if they knew 6 people were killed, then why the fuk would u move in?They knew they were movin in to sell books and make movies. they were probly fukin living at sum hotel during the 28 days and making shit up to tell the world.
flexwheelR 3 years ago
The Lutz's are/were genius's. And the Warren's cashed in on them. Biggest ghost hoax of all time. So big that to this day, some still think it's real.
bbasher79 3 years ago
Its insane to base a money-making hoax on a book deal. If the book didn't become a hit the Lutzes would lose money and the scam would be a failure. That's the sign of genius scam artists?!?
Even if the book was just moderately successful, it would be unlikely for the Lutzes to get enough royalties to cover the cost of their home. The scam would require the book to become a best-seller and lead to a film deal before they had a shot at covering their expenses and making money in the long run.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
This is bullshit. The story that is.
Connerisawesome 3 years ago
Yes it is, but you got to admit the story is good.
BoyintheMachine 3 years ago
damn near brilliant
Connerisawesome 3 years ago
I totally agree with you. You can see the so called psychic so relished her 1 min of fame as she so importantly quoted herself " I hope this is as close to hell as I can get". She probably stayed up half the night thinking of this quote.
lowbk73 3 years ago
Hmm. People, you're going to need to watch The Real Amityville Horror, posted by FilmmakerEBW.
ragemanchoo82 3 years ago
nothing bad has happened to the next and current owner, brian wilson, yet
costerluver 3 years ago
a lot of bad things happened to the different owners of that house. The first owners, The Moynahans died of natural causes (normal). the next family, the rileys had a bitter divorce. the next owners, the defeos, got murdered. the next family, the lutzes supposedly got chased out by ghosts. additionally both george and kathy died before the age of 60. The next family, the cromartys, had their son die of an overdose. the next family, the oneils, had their son die in 9/11.
costerluver 3 years ago
Costerluver, yeah, you're going to need to watch The Real Amityville Horror, posted by FilmmakerEBW.
ragemanchoo82 3 years ago
Actually, what you are describing is life as a human being. I don't know anyone or any family who doesn't go through hard times (divorces, drugs, deaths, etc). The real horror in the house was the murder of those 6 people. I don't need ghosts to realize that LIFE is difficult and can be a horror in itself.
brandonkirk 3 years ago
I know that the things I said happened are normal. It's just kind of wierd that they all happened in that house. That doesn't mean the house is haunted. I personally don't believe it's haunted. I just found it to be kind of wierd
costerluver 3 years ago
blood boil? i thought it was blood chill lol
Coolcat202 3 years ago
Ghost arent real....i believe there are spirits around us but not good ones only bad ones why else would they be around? They are demons they taunt they torture and make you FEAR MENTALY AND PHYSICLY so that they may become stronger if you believe they are good it is said they are tricky and good liars so BEAWARE!
lorilightnin 3 years ago
um then why are all the hauntings not there with the new people, if they did not make money does not mean that they were ripped off, but they still tried to make money and have their 15 mins of fame. 80,000 home thats not great appearance wise, they could have just hated the place and or alos the stories they make are riddiculous like the indina burial ground? come on please!
cloud218 3 years ago 2
Yes, the fact that the subsequent owners haven't been haunted does seem to cast doubt onto the Lutzes; but it doesn't necessarily mean the Lutz haunting didn't happen. The entity could be dormant, or maybe the subsequent owners didn't antagonize it by blessing the house. Who knows.
If you do a little investigation into the matter, you'll see how the actions of the Lutz family do not resemble people who seek fame and fortune.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
agreed there since I still believe in ghosts, what really freaked me out is the picture of the kid they took showing his head, did you see that one? I still think that its rather convinient that the ghost are dormant!
cloud218 3 years ago
Actually, I don't think that "ghost boy" photo is showing a ghost at all. I think its a case of mistaken identity. I think its showing one of the investigators that was in the house that night. If you go to the forum listed on my youtube account page, there's a good thread on that photo with pictures of the guy who I suspect is being mistaken for the ghost boy.
I'd post a link to the thread if I could, but...
And yeah, I don't blame you for thinking its "convenient" for the ghost to be dormant
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
As for the Indian burial ground stories, that stuff just comes from people looking for possible answers as to why the haunting may have happened. No one knows for sure if there were burial grounds there or not. The Lutzes were told by someone at the historical society that there was, and they believed them. But maybe that info was wrong. The historical society now claims there were no burial grounds in that area.
I don't know what you're trying to say about the price of the house, though.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
they earned fortune from tragedy the Lutz only know what is the truth, and they will feel it in their graves.
if Ghosts are real, I would think that they are stained into the earth meaning that they are just repeating what they did when alive like a photo but not a still shot. If I were a ghost I would go to Area 51 and spoke everyone
cloud218 3 years ago
Yes, only the Lutzes know what really happened to them.
No, they did not earn a fortune. The people who earned a fortune were Jay Anson (author of the book) and the producers of the movie. The Lutzes were ripped-off by Hollywood, which is normal procedure in the Entertainment Industry (or indeed most industries) when dealing with people in their position.
You simply don't give up your $80,000 home in the hopes that your haunted house story will become a best-seller.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
I think that the new owners only pretend that this is all a hoax so they can have people stop harassing them all day and night.
kraft555 3 years ago
But they didn't earn millions in royalties from films, books, etc. or buy many houses.
rockette78 3 years ago
Anyone who goes to their deathbed, especially when both went to their deathbed, & on their deathbed still claimed something as the "truth", knowing that they're soon to meet their maker.. or not.. I have to consider to be the truth as they perceived it.
rockette78 3 years ago
I beleve the Lutzes , Why would they lie?
Loose thier house for what? Would like to visit the house one day.
MasterPervy123 3 years ago
to sell their story and earn millions in royalties from books, films etc and buy many houses.
Davejimjr 3 years ago
Why would they give up an 80,000 house on a whim? You'd have to know FOR SURE that the movie/book deal would be a hit. There was no promise to that.
And the Lutzes weren't the ones making the money, it was the original writers/producers.
jessiehatesyoux 2 years ago
Man i tottally believe everything the Lutzes said...That Weber guy is a huge liar out for money thats why he hasnt shown "the tapes he recoreded". Also, all people saying the ENTIRE thing was a hoax your just being ignorant, i mean, Friendship Town has laid the facts down in his comments and shown the facts in his vids....why dont you hoax people show some real evidence..maybe a reference such as a website, or book?
FurryDogKiller 3 years ago
are you gonna make the comment friendshiptown? the fuckin house aint haunted.the lutzs are bald faced liars! do your research and expose this thing for what it is a fuckin hoax!! ghost stories?boo!!!!!!!
salamonetalton 3 years ago
I've done lots of research. I have no agenda but to find the truth. From what I've researched, the evidence supports a haunting more so than a hoax. That doesn't mean there is proof of the haunting being real. There is no proof that ghosts are real, so how can you prove a haunting?
The evidence supporting a hoax is totally weak and full of holes. The evidence supporting a haunting isn't conclusive, but it is stronger than the hoax evidence. Does this better explain my position???
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
the defeo murders did happen.the lutzs' story is a brutal lie made up for monetary gain.nuff said!
salamonetalton 3 years ago
Are you gonna leave the same comment on all of my Amityville videos? Too funny! And on one of them, you even suggest that I am the one who needs to get a life...
Well Mr Salmonela, the Lutzes made very little money from the books and movies. Certainly not what you'd expect from master con-men. And yet it would take the work of a master con man to create such a huge hoax - one that still hasn't been uncovered in over 30 years!
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
I read this when I was about ten and it scared me silly. The Black Hope Horror is a similar story, which also scared me when I read it as an adult.
Black Hope Horror had talking toilets, now isn't that spooky!
totallybarefoot 4 years ago
Reminds me of Stephen King's "It" - with the voices coming from the bathroom sink drain: "We're all the dead kids - we all float."
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
talking toilets? u kiding XD omg i dont belive that
kanatapaw 3 years ago
Yes. Toilets that flushed for no reason at all, and seemed to trying to speak, to make speech, as if their pipes were throats, like someone whose mouth had frozen trying to speak, or like dogs vocalize in their throats.
^^Shiver^^
totallybarefoot 3 years ago
ok so as iv said before there is something in the hiuse athe family have used this and the past things to amke money
softplay2 4 years ago
By "something in the house," are you saying "ghosts" or are you saying the haunting was faked?
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
The entire thing is skewed by money. Lutz was assured of millions of dollars if he kept the hoax alive. And paid off various people to keep things trucking. There were hoax sites with detailed facts showing all the inaccuracies and crossed stories form Lutz over the years. Lutz routinely sued these people and got them taken down. Amityville Horror was a close to billion dollar industry. That kind of money changes all the rules.
duncan36 4 years ago
Interesting. Which websites did he sue? Did you keep a list of the inaccuracies and crossed stories from the Lutzes? Love to hear them...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
1. Claims of cloven hoofed footprints in the snow were a lie. No snow in the area for the time the Lutzes were there.
2.All claims of doors being blown open and cabinets being smashed were lies. All the doors and hardware in the house were original and showed no sign of damage after the Lutzes left.
3.Its a known fact the Lutzes came back to the house after they supposedly 'fled in terror' to have a yard sale. I mean it goes on and on and on but these are the most easily proved lies.
duncan36 4 years ago
Sure - go on and on.
1. Yes, it did snow during the month the Lutzes lived in Amityville
2. A good repair job won't show previous signs of damage
3. The Lutzes didn't hold a yard sale - there was an auction of their belongings done in their behalf. The Lutzes were not in attendance. This fact is supported by Stephen Kaplan - a man who spent 20 years of his life trying to prove the haunting was a hoax.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
1. No it did not. None of the weather in the book correlates to reality. You know what that is dont you? 2. Old hardware is old hardware, and cannot be made to look like old hardware. You cannot repair doors that are blown out like as described in the book, they have to be replaced. 3. They held a yard sale and were in attendance 4. The 'hidden room' was really just an access room to the pipes in the house so they could be easily accessible. Nothing sinister about it.
duncan36 4 years ago
1. There is a huge difference between stating "no snow during their stay" to "no snow on the date the book claimed." Anson admitted to changing dates and events around to make the book flow better. It was a fact-based novel, not a scientific article. In fact, it contains some pure fiction, such as the slime oozing from the walls (which the Lutzes claimed never happened).
So just because there was no snow on the date Anson uses does not mean it was all a lie...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
The fact is that it did snow during the month the Lutzes lived there. Maybe not on the exact date that Anson claims, though.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
2. Where is the proof that the hinges were never repaired or replaced? Neither the book or movie states the door was replaced. Both describe the door as left dangling off of one hinge. In the book, it describes George as being able to close the door with a little effort, shortly after discovering it...
3. Go read Kaplan's book. Even though he felt the story was a hoax, he claims he was there on the day of the auction and states the Lutzes were NOT there. And he'd be the last one to help them.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
4. Maybe it was a pipe access room. However, no pipes run through it (though there seems to be pipes running adjacent to it).
The Lutzes didn't claim it was sinister. They claimed the following:
-it was hidden by a movable shelving unit
-it was odd how it was painted red
-their normally fearless dog would cower from it
-it emitted a horrible stench on occasion
-it wasn't shown on the house plans
And that's it. The Lutzes never claimed it was a passageway to Hell or anything like that.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
It's been a long time since I read the book, but I thought at least one character, maybe Mr. Lutz, had dark imaginings about animal sacrifice and terrible things that happened in the red room. It seemed to haunt him, and I think I recall that he went in with an ax to bust it up> But them, some other writer could have borrowed and elaborated the little room theme. It was scary!
totallybarefoot 4 years ago
I have a friend that knew the Lutzes when they resided in Fountain Hills, AZ. He met them when they were selling Amway products. He said they didn't talk about their past experiences much but when asked they said that the events they described really happened, but that the movie was mostly fake.
MRMETHOS1 4 years ago
Oh, also.
There's a ;gend going around that the Native Americans that originally were on the land buried a rival tribe face down (so as to shame them). Some have hypthosized that this is the reason the DeFeo's were found face down...Just an interesting side note.
xEternalRosex 4 years ago
Personally, I don't like to explore the possible reasons why the haunting occured. Not only is it all pure speculation, but I'm not a big enthusiast when it comes to the supernatural. So I mainly focus on exploring different hoax theories and seeing if I can find anything that supports or disagrees with the Lutzes' story.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
Then don't call it the "supernatural." Personally I've never liked that word anyhow. When you say supernatural you think "beyond nature." -No such thing in my book. Everything is natural. It's just that some things are not well understood.
NearVSMello 4 years ago
I look on it the exact same way - that just because we don't understand certain phenomenon today doesn't mean its "not real" or "due to someone's imagination."
But its awkward stating that I'm not a big enthusiast of "things that are not yet understood by science," so I use the term "supernatural."
Nothing wrong with the term, or with people who are enthusiasts of it - its just not my thing (with the exception of Amity and a few other reported hauntings)...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
So, do you, personally believe the Lutzs?
I mean, I've done alot of research, and all evidence tends to point that they were telling the truth. I think Anson and Kaplan were flocked to them with dollar signs in their eyes.
xEternalRosex 4 years ago
I do tend to believe the Lutzes. By all rights, I should be on the "pro-hoax side" because I have a hard time believing ghosts exist. But like you say, when you research what the Lutzes have said, and when you explore the various hoax theories - it all seems to favor the Lutzes.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
Yo, FRIENDSHIP TOWN:
hey, we can agree on one thing, right?
IN THE 1970's LAURA DIDIO WAS ONE HOT PIECE OF ASS
shmouts 4 years ago
While polygraphs are inadmissable, they are far from worthless. Read up on that - you'll be surprised. Do you watch Mythbusters? They did a pretty good episode on polygraphs recently.
The kids were young in 1976, but not too young to remember things - especially traumatic experiences. The oldest son was 11 years old. I think virtually everyone remembers things prior to their 11th bday.
I answered the weather question above - for a detailed answer, go to the forum I list in my youtube profile.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
"paranormal investigation" is completely subjective bullshit.
their proof?: "I felt a prescence"
well, that is just pure scientific proof! I hope this never goes before a jury
shmouts 4 years ago
There is no proof of the haunting. Such phenomenon typically does not lend itself to leaving solid evidence.
I think the strongest evidence to support this haunting is the fact that both George and Kathy passed individual polygraph tests, the fact that no one involved has stepped forward and "come clean," and the fact that most hoax theories simply do not add up.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
bullshit doesnt tend to leave much physical evidence
-polygraphs are worthless, which is why they are inadmissable in any court of law. They are what police officers use to soften a subject during interrogation
-hows going to step foward? the lutz kids who were small children in 1975?
-hoax "theories" only dont add up to the likes of you.
answer this, why do they lutzes have EVERY single weather date wrong?
shmouts 4 years ago
'paranormal investigation" is completely subjective bullshit.'
You have no proof to support this statement.
Hoax theories don't hold any water. in the mean time. I've spent a long time studying this, I doubt you have done any.
xEternalRosex 4 years ago
sweet, do you know by any chance what the address of that house was?
ColtonORRules 4 years ago
That pic at 3:49 is creepy- regardless of whether it was all a hoax or not.
heatheretta 4 years ago
Not sure why anyone would just assume that the Lutz's were lying. Would you just up and leave you home and all your belongings for no good reason? You would end up bankrupt and penniless.
Autumnmoon68 4 years ago
Because it didnt happen like that. They left in an orderly fashion and even came back to the house a few days later to have a lawn sale. Doesnt sound like they were "scared out of their minds".
garfield1994 4 years ago
While they may have left in a semi-orderly fashion (not running/screaming in the night as the movie shows), they certainly did not return a few days later to hold a lawn sale.
The Lutzes wanted to simply get their house "fixed" so they could move back in. But when they were told by the paranormal experts that there was no guarantee of fixing the house, the Lutzes decided to move, and they auctioned off their belongings.
The auction was held by professionals - the Lutzes were not there.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
the lutz's were not there because the sale was an auction by the bank which by that time owned the house and all the articles inside it. the house was foreclosed on by the Lutz's..they took nothing with them when they left.
josephbnany 4 years ago
That was NOT an auction by the bank - it was handled on behalf of the Lutzes with the proceeds going to the Lutzes.
Stephen Kaplan confirms this in his book "The Amityville Horror Conspiracy." And remember that Kaplan was no friend of the Lutzes - he spent his whole life trying to prove the haunting to be a hoax...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
what do ya mean trying to prove a hoax?theres nothing to prove
george lutz on the other hand has been shoveling variations of his shit from 1975 till he bought the farm.
shmouts 4 years ago
No, the Lutzes' story has remained consistent. Tell me the different variations you're speaking about.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
LOL, good point.
obsidiantech 4 years ago
The DeFayo's (sp?) were a truly screwed up family before they moved into the house, whatever was there just used that against them. The father was violent and cruel to all so he had to go; the mother didn't stop any of it so she could keep her man; and the children would have had no one to care for them so he killed them as well
Autumnmoon68 4 years ago
defeos motives make more sense than george and kathy lutzes lies
shmouts 4 years ago
They had no motive to lie. They left with the clothes on their backs and nothing else. If it were financial gain, they could've easily gone backrupt in the process.
xEternalRosex 4 years ago
pure evil resides in that house
apzojay4 4 years ago 2
i live right bye the house i live on li 2!
horsegal91 4 years ago 2
id like to meet the realator that could sell this house
actionfan2 4 years ago
do a search on here for Amityville Horror on "That's Incredible", they show the next owners of the house and they debunk the Lutz story.
obsidiantech 4 years ago