TreehuggerTV: Who Killed the Electric Car? Choco Hydrogen

[drumdrum15]

treehugger tv?? 0.o

[PhuqueU]

you can convert an old car to electric for about $2000, and using old tesla patents make it charge itself, en route. They've been lying to you for decades, I pray they drown in their oil. Filthy Scumbag Criminals sneaking into office.

[tribluered]

real electric cars from lionev. Cost about $30k. Max tested range 456 miles. Sedans, SUVs, and Trucks.

[theinsane101]

HEY portland Oregon has a electric car dealership, how sweet is that.its called ecomotion ;)

[greyflcn]

--Aerovironment developed quick chargers that could charge a battery pack in 15 minutes.--

Whoa, thanks for the info.

altfuels. org/ events/ otherafv/ quikchrg.html

AltairNano says they can achieve as quick as a 6 minute full charge, and a 1 minute 80% charge :P

Catch is they need an industrial 480volt, 400amp, threephase connection.

[smartz100]

Soon youll be at the store, and this big friggin E-coli will be buying candy bars in front of you.

Thanks for posting.

[debbiarnold]

Only since the fifties have people had some odd dream of roaming the country in fossil burners for pleasure. My wife and I wanted an ev1 in'99 but settled for the v6 firebird because we couldn't get one in washington yet.When they scrapped the cars I almost burned it to the ground on film just to say f*#k you to GM! I have NO respect for oil men or any of their government puppets...including the talking heads of present day. They all must drive Hummer's or Powerstroke's now!

[nijaexhile3]

Sorry everyone, its go photo or go home. Solar panel technology should be the ONLY technology being perfected. Hydrogen, hydro electric, Ethanol, nuclear even wind ALL have inherent problems. Why waste time exploring more deadends??? If god exists hes there right now saying "HEY DUMMIES! see this big yellow ball of PURE ENRGY sitting here in the sky BLINDING YOU??? I couldnt have made it any more obvious. USE IT fuck face!"

[cant7think7clearly]

LOL, he's right!

Hydrogen cars get hydrogen from oil. It's no conspiracy, it's just cheaper that way. Hydrogen fuel cell cars will never happen for many reasons. Solar Electric is the only clean answer. And it's free.

[nicenonya2]

You can get hydrogen from solar power!

[Baguazhangster]

Electric cars still run off the oil burned in plants. Just learn from Denny Klein with his aquagen plan! Learn Hydrogen is real! Plus, contact me for details on the new national SOLAR RENTAL PROGRAM! This makes it affordable for everyone, it gives you the ability to get cheaper power than from the plants! Nicolas- 626-340-1712 Contact me today! I can also show you how to save money on gas and chemicle cleaners with organic alternatives! The future is here!

[DerVampyrEngel]

hydrogen and where will it come from?

[mtnbiker1]

haha where will it come from? water!

[marissatequilera]

Yo vi el documental y está genial

[zxxinyoface]

i think there should be gas and electric cars, gas pumps and electric charge stations. That way it will eliminate the gas monopoly

[res08hao]

Jimmy Carter needs to be shot in the head on tv. The electric car had no range and the batteries needed to be changed out after two years, at a cost of $5000. No wonder nobdy bought it.

[terrorist420x]

No range? GM EV1 did 150 miles per charge, Soelctria Sunrise 350 miles per charge, AC Propulsion TZero 300 miles per charge, Venturi Fetish 220 miles per charge, Eliica 200 miles per charge. These are competitive with gas cars having a full tank.

Lead acid batteries last ~2 years, and cost ~$2k per pack. The ones the EV1 used were intentionally overpriced. NiCd can last over 20 years, Li Ion around 10 years, NiMH > 10 years.

About that Carter comment, I could say the same for all the neocons.

[res08hao]

I just checked out one of the websites. Range: 200 miles. Not going to Vegas in that thing, are we?

Love to know how many tree huggers own one.

[terrorist420x]

Many gas cars only get 200 miles on a full tank.

The only reason you couldn't go to Vegas is that charging infrastructure doesn't exist. Southern California Edison and other utilities wanted to develop fast charging infrastructure in California and along Route 66, among other places. The oil industry lobbied to prevent them from doing so, and won.

Aerovironment developed quick chargers that could charge a battery pack in 15 minutes.

The technology is there. Politics is the problem.

[res08hao]

I will agree with that.

[res08hao]

Whether the range is 200 miles or 300 miles makes no difference if you need to stop and recharge. Where do you do that? The casino? If a special plug is needed, you ain't going no where. However, for roundtrips around the house, it would be ok.

[jonathanwindham]

only because NiMH batteries were never mass produced, Chevron bought the world wide patent for NiMH batteries and then they mysteriously decided to hault research and future productions of the technology

if mass produced an electric car engine would only cost a fraction as much an internal conbustion engine

[nicenonya2]

CVX and ENER are building those batteries in Springboro,Ohio

Cobasys Battery

[jonathanwindham]

only nock offs, so they are not close enough to violate copywrite infringment, however you can only do so much when creating generic technologies

[savagesteve13]

Jimmy Carter got criticized when gasoline prices topped 79 cents a gallon.

George Bush does not get criticized and gasoline is now as high as $3.35 cents a gallon.

[terrorist420x]

Adjusted for inflation, gas prices are roughly equivalent to what they were at their peak during the 70s/80s fuel crisis.

We have a different media these days. Back then you could critiscize authoritarians like Carter and it would be aired on TV. Not so much anymore; Herr Bushkin(aka King George II) gets it rather easy. You get branded a traitor for dissent.

Just wait for peak oil's effects to kick in. You ain't seen a damn thing yet.

[savagesteve13]

The whole "adjusted for inflation" is just a GOP talking point. Back in the 70's cars and gasoline were cheap, and the real problem during the oil embargo was availability, not price. They simply didn't have any gasoline for sale in many places.

[terrorist420x]

You could look at it as a talking point when you consider declining disposable income. But just the raw price itself is roughly equivalent, even if it may take more out of your disposable income since that has declined. In 1968, adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage was near $10/hour in today's dollars. Productivity has doubled since then, but wages have dropped. Profits have risen greatly, but when talking about wages, both parties refuse to address where the wages have went: profit margins.

[jkarhu]

Good call.

[jungleman123]

That chick is hot.

[terrorist420x]

The market for electrics has been here for a decade, and the technology has been there just as long.

Electric cars can do 200-300 miles range today, very efficient designs(eg. Solectria Sunrise) would do even double that.

Electric cars make much lower profit than gas ones though. No tune-ups, oil changes, powertrain maintenance. Electric motors have only 1 moving part, last over 500,000 miles. That is why the auto industry won't make them.

[jerkbot]

if they are cheaper to run, they are more valuable and people will pay more for them.

[terrorist420x]

Indeed. However, there is a saturation point. People might pay $5-10k more, but no more than that. EVs can last over 30 years, so less cars would be bought. Electric motors last over 500k miles and don't need maintenance.

A study titled "The Current and Future Market for Electric Vehicles" found that in Valifornia alone, electric cars would have been 12-18% of the new car market with a 95% confidence interval. This is 180,000+ cars per year in that one state alone.

[Boxing4Real]

this sucks damn ok well the market is ready for non-gasoline cars now, that's for sure. sorta wish we'd just totally run out of gas. at least then they would have to do something.

[silas10961]

Chelsea Sexton's comments ring so true.