The south left the union to prevent what we have today, a government that is taking controlling more and more of our lives. The phrase "states right" has to do with taxes. The south was paying most of the taxes and the money was being spent up north. If you don't believe me do a search for "Morrill Tariff."
Slavery was the MAIN argument. States's rights was merely a legal cover for the main issue slavery just as states rights would be the argument in the 1960s when the chief argument was desegregation.
slavery actually was the cause of the civil war. Slavery brought up state rights which is the other huge reason for the Civil War. If you hear someone saying state right is the cause then they are correct and if a different person says slavery is the cause then they are correct too. Slavery and state rights go hand and hand.
slavery is terrible ,however it was a small part of why southern men fought--i know i talked to my grandfather who lived 95 years and died in early 90's---he talked to many older men as a young man who had fought in the war and almost to the man it was because of the improachment of the federal forces!!!!!!
Civil war was not about slavery it was about Great Britain's monetary influence on the United States and funding the Confederacy in seceding from the Union, I will cite only a few quotes from president Lincoln himself.
"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy"
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"
"I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe"
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
all of these people who insist (still) that secession and the ultimate cause of the war was not over slavery ought to read a newspaper from the 1850s. Southern slaveholders were scared to death that the growing movement against the expansion of the institution would eventually turn where it already existed. Southern leaders said secession was about the protection of slavery in 1861....and didn't change their tune until the war was over.
This is all a crock of shit., The war was caused because of the Morill tariff,,look it up, and Ft. Sumter was being resupplied, going against the rights of a sovereign. You can look that up to,,,,
The main issue with the South is that they payed a majority of the Tariff in all of the US and were not allowed to negotiate constitutionally the secession of the states or Tax fees.
Well you have to also look at the ramifications of the southern states joining the union. The south were financially enslaved to the North providing 2/3 of the government income, who was left in debt by the Revolutionary War.
To say that the North was against slavery was silly, they did not want to free them or allow slavery there because they did not want the influx of black people migrating north. Also Lincoln wanted to send the slaves to Africa or New Guinea to create an all black country.
Saying that the Civil War was about slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was caused by the Holocaust and that the Iraq War is about oil. A lot went into the seccession of the Confederate States such as taxation, minting of currency, slavery, and the list goes on. Even if it slavery was the only cause of the war, that doesn't change the fact that many European immigrants such as my great-great-great-grandfather fought in the grey uniform.
Edavis -- actually the South held a lot back about why they started the civil war.
Slavery was about pussy - power and pussy. Davis, Lee, and other other slavers could not say "Well, we like to rape slaves, work them, sell them, get rich on selling the children". They had to tell their wives they were doing this shit for Jesus. Socially accepted that way. The reason was always power and pussy.
The constant raids by John Brown and his Canadian and American zealots.
plus the NEW party in DC wanting to seize the rights from the States.
is the cause of the war.you said John Brown's raid but there were many raids not one.The British backed the North and supplied both sides. They wanted their banking to be placed in All of America and succeded in 1864 "Corporations have been enthorned at the highest levels An era of corruption will follow"
Dave dumb fuck -- sorry idiot, the South said at the time it was slavery Got that retard?
They didnt say banks dumb fuck. They didnt say anything -- but slavery. Slavery, the Confederate leaders said - -was the FOUNDATION of their nation. Got that retard?
That's what they said themselves, idiot. And they said it at the time, dumb fuck. And they said slavery, you fucking idiot.
Exactly bro. It was slavery! slavery! slavery! The south had no real issue with being "ruled" by somebody in Washington,D.C. whether he was a northerner or not remember from 1776-1861 we were one country. It was when the underlining slavery question arose when the south withdrew. You mean to tell me that from 1776-1861 the south did not have any problem "being told what to do" as it were by some "outsider" up until 1861? What happened that changed all of that? Ummm...SLAVERY!!
the past who lived during that time. They held nothing back, told everything like it was, and held nothing in reserve. Take John C. Calhoun for instance who said in a 1837 speech that slavery not only was a necessity but it was a " positive good" for both the master and slave. The American civil war was fought over slavery pure and simple. Everyone knew what it was about read what was said not what someone's opinion is today. Teach REAL history not propaganda.
Yeah they were. People today or so blind and don't understand what the issue really was. Like the state declarations of secession you cited below. If that doesn't answer the question about what the war was fought over in what in the name of God would? You have the representatives (the people the people elected for God sakes!) Voicing the MAJORITY OPINION of the people they are representing. They aren't talking about states's rights, the tariff, or the right to withdraw from the Union! They are
Opening paragraph, Mississippi Declaration of Secession:January 1861
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.
These products [that slaves produce] are peculiar to the [southern] climate and none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world. A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. ..
Thank God someone who reads. The underlining cause of the civil war was over slavery. I hate how it is downplayed and states rights, the tariff, and the right to succeed are always mentioned as the main causes of the civil war. If slavery was such a side issue why did Southerners push so hard to have escaped/runaway slaves returned if it was a side issue and no real skin off of the slave owners back? What we have to do is do as you just did. Read the thoughts, opinions, and writings of those in
Edav -- right. Run away slaves were probably the biggest issue -- South Carolina's own Declaration of Causes was almost entirely about run away slaves - and how the North states wanted their own laws about it.
Run away slaves were the fittest, strongest slaves. If the best slaves ran away -- only the old and infirm would remain, which would destroy slavery. Run away slaves were a huge fucking cause of Civil War -- according to the official southern documents at the time..
talking about fighting to KEEP SLAVES AS SLAVES!! You have authors like James McPherson (who I have met) who doesn't sugar coat but tells the truth he gets heckled at and he has even recieved death threats from telling the truth (you got to love those peace loving, warm, and compassionate Confederate apologist don't you!
McPherson does sugar coat it. He knows they were slave raping scum -- he knows the cruely, the cowardice later.
I love the guy, love his lectures on Youtube. Brilliant guy. But he sugar coats it -- and maybe wisely so. If he spoke the truth bluntly to them -- they would shit their pants.
But I'd like to see someone with his credentials speak the truth to these fucks. Enough politically correct crap.
Exactly. Why else would the plantation owners have freaked out so hard whenever a slave ran away? They treated it like a major crisis. It could not be tolerated.
In a nutshell, the South had slaves and hated the North because they didn't like slavery. (just kidding, I had to throw that in there--it's out of the National Lampoon Sunday Paper)
what a load of lincoln worshiping bull shit! lincoln was a tyrant. with the help of a corrupt congress, he enacted the morril tarrif. a tax very unfair to the southern economy. the confederate states seceded from the union to escape unfair taxation(a constitutional right). lincoln circumvented the constitution and invaded the south without congressional approval, because he couldnt collect the tax if those states were not in his united states. abolition was a bleeding heart liberal distraction.
Moca dumb fuck - Lincoln didnt do Morrel Tarrif you fucking idiot -- Buchanan did you dumb fuck.
Lincoln invaded the South without congressional approval? Dumb fuck - the North was attacked you fucking idiot - -it was at war you fucking moron, he is the commander in chief you fucking idiot, of course he is going to respond idiot.
Yes. That's why he goaded the South into firing the first shot (praised in 1776, but not in 1861!), then called for 75,000 troops to invade the South to FORCE them back into the Union.
The Union was voluntary, as was secession. Invading, burning and terrorizing the South, then claiming to have "saved the union" is not unlike a woman fleeing her abusive husband, only to have him violently force her to return, and then proclaim he has "saved his marriage"!
The south left the union to prevent what we have today, a government that is taking controlling more and more of our lives. The phrase "states right" has to do with taxes. The south was paying most of the taxes and the money was being spent up north. If you don't believe me do a search for "Morrill Tariff."
todddoom 2 months ago
Slavery was the MAIN argument. States's rights was merely a legal cover for the main issue slavery just as states rights would be the argument in the 1960s when the chief argument was desegregation.
MasterWooten 7 months ago
slavery actually was the cause of the civil war. Slavery brought up state rights which is the other huge reason for the Civil War. If you hear someone saying state right is the cause then they are correct and if a different person says slavery is the cause then they are correct too. Slavery and state rights go hand and hand.
theyXXcallXXmeXXkyle 8 months ago
slavery is terrible ,however it was a small part of why southern men fought--i know i talked to my grandfather who lived 95 years and died in early 90's---he talked to many older men as a young man who had fought in the war and almost to the man it was because of the improachment of the federal forces!!!!!!
BubbaLee2 9 months ago
Slavery only played a small part in the war. Like 1/10 of the war causes.
dorado90 1 year ago
Civil war was not about slavery it was about Great Britain's monetary influence on the United States and funding the Confederacy in seceding from the Union, I will cite only a few quotes from president Lincoln himself.
danielmedina630 1 year ago
"The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy"
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"
danielmedina630 1 year ago
"I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe"
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
danielmedina630 1 year ago
all of these people who insist (still) that secession and the ultimate cause of the war was not over slavery ought to read a newspaper from the 1850s. Southern slaveholders were scared to death that the growing movement against the expansion of the institution would eventually turn where it already existed. Southern leaders said secession was about the protection of slavery in 1861....and didn't change their tune until the war was over.
mkeithharris 1 year ago
This is all a crock of shit., The war was caused because of the Morill tariff,,look it up, and Ft. Sumter was being resupplied, going against the rights of a sovereign. You can look that up to,,,,
mrrast2u 1 year ago
Nice video the end was epic
shadowintheback 1 year ago
This is great! I watched this for an exam I'm taking for IB tomorrow, and this is definitely memorable! Thank you.
manplangodlaughs 1 year ago
The main issue with the South is that they payed a majority of the Tariff in all of the US and were not allowed to negotiate constitutionally the secession of the states or Tax fees.
CHardi1099 1 year ago
Well you have to also look at the ramifications of the southern states joining the union. The south were financially enslaved to the North providing 2/3 of the government income, who was left in debt by the Revolutionary War.
To say that the North was against slavery was silly, they did not want to free them or allow slavery there because they did not want the influx of black people migrating north. Also Lincoln wanted to send the slaves to Africa or New Guinea to create an all black country.
CHardi1099 1 year ago
Saying that the Civil War was about slavery is the same as saying that WW2 was caused by the Holocaust and that the Iraq War is about oil. A lot went into the seccession of the Confederate States such as taxation, minting of currency, slavery, and the list goes on. Even if it slavery was the only cause of the war, that doesn't change the fact that many European immigrants such as my great-great-great-grandfather fought in the grey uniform.
aspie101 1 year ago
Edavis -- actually the South held a lot back about why they started the civil war.
Slavery was about pussy - power and pussy. Davis, Lee, and other other slavers could not say "Well, we like to rape slaves, work them, sell them, get rich on selling the children". They had to tell their wives they were doing this shit for Jesus. Socially accepted that way. The reason was always power and pussy.
The excuse was always religion.
SouthernFriedHoney 2 years ago 2
The constant raids by John Brown and his Canadian and American zealots.
plus the NEW party in DC wanting to seize the rights from the States.
is the cause of the war.you said John Brown's raid but there were many raids not one.The British backed the North and supplied both sides. They wanted their banking to be placed in All of America and succeded in 1864 "Corporations have been enthorned at the highest levels An era of corruption will follow"
A Lincoln 1864
dave777blaster 2 years ago
Dave dumb fuck -- sorry idiot, the South said at the time it was slavery Got that retard?
They didnt say banks dumb fuck. They didnt say anything -- but slavery. Slavery, the Confederate leaders said - -was the FOUNDATION of their nation. Got that retard?
That's what they said themselves, idiot. And they said it at the time, dumb fuck. And they said slavery, you fucking idiot.
They didnt say bankers you fucking idiot.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
Exactly bro. It was slavery! slavery! slavery! The south had no real issue with being "ruled" by somebody in Washington,D.C. whether he was a northerner or not remember from 1776-1861 we were one country. It was when the underlining slavery question arose when the south withdrew. You mean to tell me that from 1776-1861 the south did not have any problem "being told what to do" as it were by some "outsider" up until 1861? What happened that changed all of that? Ummm...SLAVERY!!
edavismookie25 2 years ago
You must be from the South. Brainwashed much?
jposh707 2 years ago
No I am not an American at all ,your assumptions make you look like an ass.
dave777blaster 2 years ago
Texas Declaration of Causes of Secession .February 2, 1861
"We hold as undeniable truth...the African race is inferior - that the servitude of the African race is the revealed will of the Almighty Creator!
"[the North has] proclaimed the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, --a doctrine in violation of Divine Law.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
the past who lived during that time. They held nothing back, told everything like it was, and held nothing in reserve. Take John C. Calhoun for instance who said in a 1837 speech that slavery not only was a necessity but it was a " positive good" for both the master and slave. The American civil war was fought over slavery pure and simple. Everyone knew what it was about read what was said not what someone's opinion is today. Teach REAL history not propaganda.
edavismookie25 2 years ago
Edav -- Davis said slavery was "a divine blessing' and that "God Almighty handed the black race to whites for slavery".
Davis said slaves had "a natural affection" for their masters (he raped slaves, too scared to resist),
According to scum like Davis and Lee -- the evil ones were those who tried to "whisper the lie of freedom" into the slave's ear.
Davis and Lee blamed all evils on those who would tell slaves about freedom
The Southern leaders were all sociopaths. Really.
12FlyMe 2 years ago 2
Yeah they were. People today or so blind and don't understand what the issue really was. Like the state declarations of secession you cited below. If that doesn't answer the question about what the war was fought over in what in the name of God would? You have the representatives (the people the people elected for God sakes!) Voicing the MAJORITY OPINION of the people they are representing. They aren't talking about states's rights, the tariff, or the right to withdraw from the Union! They are
edavismookie25 2 years ago 2
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12FlyMe 2 years ago
Opening paragraph, Mississippi Declaration of Secession:January 1861
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.
These products [that slaves produce] are peculiar to the [southern] climate and none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world. A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. ..
12FlyMe 2 years ago
Thank God someone who reads. The underlining cause of the civil war was over slavery. I hate how it is downplayed and states rights, the tariff, and the right to succeed are always mentioned as the main causes of the civil war. If slavery was such a side issue why did Southerners push so hard to have escaped/runaway slaves returned if it was a side issue and no real skin off of the slave owners back? What we have to do is do as you just did. Read the thoughts, opinions, and writings of those in
edavismookie25 2 years ago
Edav -- right. Run away slaves were probably the biggest issue -- South Carolina's own Declaration of Causes was almost entirely about run away slaves - and how the North states wanted their own laws about it.
Run away slaves were the fittest, strongest slaves. If the best slaves ran away -- only the old and infirm would remain, which would destroy slavery. Run away slaves were a huge fucking cause of Civil War -- according to the official southern documents at the time..
12FlyMe 2 years ago
talking about fighting to KEEP SLAVES AS SLAVES!! You have authors like James McPherson (who I have met) who doesn't sugar coat but tells the truth he gets heckled at and he has even recieved death threats from telling the truth (you got to love those peace loving, warm, and compassionate Confederate apologist don't you!
edavismookie25 2 years ago
McPherson does sugar coat it. He knows they were slave raping scum -- he knows the cruely, the cowardice later.
I love the guy, love his lectures on Youtube. Brilliant guy. But he sugar coats it -- and maybe wisely so. If he spoke the truth bluntly to them -- they would shit their pants.
But I'd like to see someone with his credentials speak the truth to these fucks. Enough politically correct crap.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
Exactly. Why else would the plantation owners have freaked out so hard whenever a slave ran away? They treated it like a major crisis. It could not be tolerated.
jposh707 2 years ago 4
In a nutshell, the South had slaves and hated the North because they didn't like slavery. (just kidding, I had to throw that in there--it's out of the National Lampoon Sunday Paper)
galoon 2 years ago
what a load of lincoln worshiping bull shit! lincoln was a tyrant. with the help of a corrupt congress, he enacted the morril tarrif. a tax very unfair to the southern economy. the confederate states seceded from the union to escape unfair taxation(a constitutional right). lincoln circumvented the constitution and invaded the south without congressional approval, because he couldnt collect the tax if those states were not in his united states. abolition was a bleeding heart liberal distraction.
mocatmancb 2 years ago 2
Moca dumb fuck - Lincoln didnt do Morrel Tarrif you fucking idiot -- Buchanan did you dumb fuck.
Lincoln invaded the South without congressional approval? Dumb fuck - the North was attacked you fucking idiot - -it was at war you fucking moron, he is the commander in chief you fucking idiot, of course he is going to respond idiot.
IowaSea 2 years ago
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12FlyMe 2 years ago
Where did you go to school? The University of Confederate Revisionist History?
jposh707 2 years ago 3
@jposh707 I like turtles.
gamefan2008 1 year ago 7
"Lincoln did not want bloodshed."
Yes. That's why he goaded the South into firing the first shot (praised in 1776, but not in 1861!), then called for 75,000 troops to invade the South to FORCE them back into the Union.
The Union was voluntary, as was secession. Invading, burning and terrorizing the South, then claiming to have "saved the union" is not unlike a woman fleeing her abusive husband, only to have him violently force her to return, and then proclaim he has "saved his marriage"!
Graymalkin2001 2 years ago 2
poor
AsiniusHerius 3 years ago
yankee horse shit
mpd613 3 years ago
so fun dude so fun and so very well done if I do say so for myself.
Deathblaxe 3 years ago
lmaoo.. this is funny. and helped my study for my test on the civil war tomorrow.. thank you
Soapatron 4 years ago