My family is Catholic - I am not. I was born again on March 11, 2007. I profess that Jesus Christ is Lord and that salvation is by grace ALONE. The RCC teaches a false gospel. If you want to be saved, leave the Catholic church and find a good non-denominational, bible believing church. Mary can not hear you or help you.
@edadan2009 It is true that a person is not saved by his works and that salvation is completely of grace. However that does not mean that works have nothing to do with salvation. This is what the Catholic church teaches....Your gossip that we teach a false gospel is just that....gossip.
@stevesilvia Say if Protestantism teaches a false gospel when in fact in general it uses only the Bible as its source. Catholicism uses a myriad of them, catechisms, missals, etc.. I was Catholic myself and was in a very traditional Catholic school for 12 years. Sadly all that time I never even found out Salvation. Here's what they taught: Marian worship, rituals, traditions, good works. Good works from tradition = Salvation. This is not biblical at all.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ep 2:8-9)
"Works" are a result of salvation - not a means to it - and as such, have nothing to do with it. There is SO MUCH more wrong with Catholicism, but so few characters left. I would strongly encourage anyone who has doubts about this wicked system to investigate it on their own.
@edadan2009 Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."
You are nothing like the apostle Paul! He never did the abominable things that you practice. Paul had a relationship with Jesus Christ and taught others to do likewise. You teach men to pray to dead people and to worship Mary. You follow a corrupt papal system that teaches men that they are saved by their own good works. You teach men that they will be purified in a fictitious place called "purgatory". These people could have been saved, but YOU have kept them from it.
@edadan2009 Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)." That is a bible verse....Truth, we don't worship Mary...thus you follow the gossip and lies of man,,,,,That is the ultimate truth....Your gossip that you spread here is lies... If you want to know the truth, ask a Catholic and not someone who spreads lies and gossip....
I was raised Catholic. I have spoken with lots of Catholics about these things. Some even deny that they pray to Mary. I'm really sorry if this has been offensive to you personally - sometimes it's neccessary to "slap" someone in the face to wake them up. You have been taken captive by Satan and don't even know it. (see 2 Cor 4:3-4) Ask Jesus Christ to set you free - don't ask Mary or the pope of anyone else - ask Jesus. Ask Him sincerely and He will answer you.
@edadan2009 spare me your snide remarks, everyone here knows that your spreading gossip. Go slap someone in the mirror. Revelation 5:8 says the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding. Bible truth!
Catholicism has taught you that a select few in Heaven are saints and that you should ask them to intercede for you. Thus, your (mis)understanding of Rev 5:8.
1 Cor 1:1 (and other scriptures) tell us that the saints of God are here on the earth right now. We pray to God in Jesus' name - exactly the way that Jesus told us to do it. Our prayers are from here - they are presented to God as described in Rev 5:8. You are badly mistaken in your understanding of scripture.
@edadan2009 Mark 9:4, Jesus i speaking to the dead...And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus. Those who are in heaven are not dead....
Correct. God IS the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - He IS the God of the living and not of the dead. But Jesus was NOT praying to them nor was He teaching us to pray to them.
@edadan2009 Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Romans 12:5 so in Christ we who are many form one body...
YES! We (the saints) should interceed for everyone. The question is, who do we offer our prayers to - God or men? Search through scripture and you will find that Jesus always prayed to our Father in Heaven. He taught us to pray to our Father in Heaven. He taught us that whatever we ask of the Father in His (Jesus) name, it would be done for us. This is God's will for us, that we obey Him and do as He did.
I understands it then a priest is also a person that is responsible on such things that whatever he's decision is and feelings to follow then let's rspect that and accept that it's called the free will and God definitely would understands him more than the way we do.... and P' S to the healing priest GodBless Us and thank's to you Blessed thee..... please pray for me too. Priest from me Woulin.
@Archangel866 is a perfect example proving my comment. We are all sinners and no one lives a holy life. I would say Archangel866 is not typical of Roman Catholics. Most of them are nice people who are simply uninformed and misinformed by the RCC.....and that's just the way the RCC wants them to be...ignorant and hell bound. As for Archangel866...his own words bewray his heart as unclean and in need of a Saviour. It's clear the RCC is not doing him any good thing.
Simply put, that is pure, thick conjecture, and only true in the depths of your mind.
As a former Evangelical...I can tell you that there is more scripture read, sung, prayed and taught in the CC, then in the lions share of Evangelical communities.
It sickens me to read your posts, as you clearly contradict your latest posts.
I too was raided RCC, left, became an Evangelical pastor, and came home.
@baldonebear You are either a liar or simply not born again as one cannot be born of the Spirit of God and voluntarily remain in the RCC for any significant length of time for the Spirit testifies of the evil of the RCC to the Christian. (Being a former Evangelical does not mean you are born again). And it's not conjecture, it's fact. The RCC holds the POOP (sic on purpose) and traditions as greater than the Word of God. God puts his Word ABOVE his name. The RCC steps on it.
That "must" be what it is, in order for your thesis to have any support.
Being born again (a better translation from the Greek is anew or from above) takes place when a person is baptized. We see this over and again in the writings of the Church fathers.
When you sate: "The RCC holds the POOP (sic on purpose) and traditions as greater than the Word of God." that is 100% conjecture. It is a lie.
I have seen many ministers of all christian brands walk into the realm of the intellectuall disabled,mentally ill,sreet kids etc and not greet them,converse with them or even minister to them,why?because the minister knows these people will not hold them on a pedistal,therefor the priest considers them to be a waste of his time??The minister cant handle the reality of life because they exist in a world self glorification and comfort..Jesus=action not ego : )
Jesus would be sad that his legacy,2000 odd years down the track is being debated and manipulated to such an extent.why not use this forum to debate who is going to go out and save the next child from forced prostitution,or is going to head down to the local homeless hangout to offer blankets,who will relieve a parent from the exhaustion of caring for an autistic child.This is how you spread the glory of God,by example not via lazy bible recitals.if you know it,do it.If u have wings fly.: )
As a catholic priest you come from a tradition of abusers and poor unfotunate men suffering from mental illness,seek help ,live before its too late....peace
Wrong. It is as a human being descended from Adam that anyone comes from a "tradition of abusers....". You would like the sin to exist outside of your own little group but the truth is the sin is inside of you, as it is in all of us regardless of religon, ethnicity, political persuasion, hair color or any other term people use to push others into a box they can more easily hate and spread lies about. Peace.
@sped1407 --A recent book makes the claim that the Catholic priesthood is "the happiest" profession out there. Your words are from satan himself; dont allow him to speak through you.
@Archangel866 Did satan tell you this?My words are from me,myself actually,if you take your self-righteous goggles off and stop and read my post I say,"as a catholic priest" not as a child of God,then I say "the church you appear to represent"a good priest does not represent the catholic church, they humbly follow the teachings of Christ.The catholic and other church's futiley attempt to raise their persona to that of a collective deity.This is what Jesus sees when he walks with me.jesus eternal
@Archangel866 thanks for the advise,but I would prefer help from a priest who can respond to me with love and fellowship and who can demonstrate a true understanding of jesus'gift to man.your response is a good example of how the many catholic priests,brothers and nuns I grew up around dealt with pressure,either accuse you of being posessed by demons or whip you with a cane or leather strap.Your ego appears to be hindering your capacity for great deeds,be nice,jesus wont go away :)
@Archangel866e,you gotta start somewhere.You may see my attempt to reach out to you as crazy or derived from a mental illness??We will never meet but we are all conected ,rejoice in this fact.words have no place on our lords earth if they are not used with our eternal conection in mind.Your words effect you,me eveyone.I'm here for you friend: )
@sped1407 I have read your profile 'about me'.these are all quotes from others,what about you.Have a think,see if you can organise some words from your heart.then come to me with love and fellowship.Jesus wont run away just because you express your appriciation of his works,words and world from your own heart.Try to keep it positive if you can,but it doesnt have to be
The last two comments (below), is known as, Denominational Pride!
Why aren't you proclaiming Jesus Christ as your Saviour, for what He had done for YOU, on the Cross???
Time to "wake up"...people! No one is "blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:" Ephesians 1:3, until you have trusted Christ and HIM ALONE, for salvation!!! This is the testimony you should be shouting out...not your denominational pride.
@faiziskandar786 Muslim's bate! For all we know Jesus never said that exact words but He claimed to be God. Anyway, maybe can you show me where Jesus said "I am not God do not worship me"?
(KJV+) JesusG2424 saidG2036 unto her,G846 IG1473 amG1510 theG3588 resurrection,G386 andG2532 theG3588 life:G2222 he that believethG4100 inG1519 me,G1691 thoughG2579 he were dead,G599 yet shall he live:G2198
(MKJV) Jesus said to her, I am the Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.
(RV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live:
(TAB) Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Ako ang pagkabuhay na maguli, at ang kabuhayan: ang sumasampalataya sa akin, bagama't siya'y mamatay, gayon ma'y mabubuhay siya;
@faiziskandar786 Al-Ḥaqq The Truth, The Reality, -Muḥyīy The Giver of Life, Ar-Rashīd The Guide to the Right Path , An-Nūr The Light
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
The muslim said that the oneness of Jesus and the God the Father is only just in purpose. Jesus clearly said that, "I am in the Father and the Father in me" The Father dwelleth in Him (Jesus)
@faiziskandar786 asked "Can u show me where Jesus clearly said IM GOD or WORSHIP ME?"
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." ...‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD.’”
John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'"
God bless Catholicism and all the Catholic Priests, Bishops, Deacons and all the hierarchy of my religion! I'm proud to say I'm Catholic and always will be!
@ZebraSpider454 Ya, i know this is what Catholics believe, and this depresses me. I spent a little over half of my life as a R C, but when i wanted help for my sin problem, i found nothing, for such a sinner as i. So i turned to the protestant denominations. All i got from them was, my sin was sending me to Hell, and i believed them. But they gave no true solution, and this brought me to the brink of suicide. When all hope was gone, it was then i just trusted Christ, for HE was all i had left.
That night i was saved...but, it would be a another good part of my life, of searching for truth, until i found those teaching the true Gospel, the "Good News", by which i was saved, which i will state one more time.
All one has to do is trust Christ for what He had done on your behalf on Calvary's Cross, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, where Christ died for every one of your sins; past, present, and future sins.
If He did not die for ALL, He died for none!
God will never again charge any sin to your account...ever, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Salvation is totally a Gift from God. Ephesians 2:8,9.
So, once one has trusted Christ, and is saved, then what?
The Apostle Paul says we are to:
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Also,
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
You do this and there won't be any time for your church, or your denomination.
This will become a full time work for you, and when Jesus calls you home, or you die before this, all the saved will stand before Christ and make an account for what they have done, to gain souls for Christ, and what they have done with God's word, rightly divided.
what do i like in catholic is free will..... they don't care what religion are you, as long as you pray and you believe in god they will pray for you to. but the other religion when they saw you they kept inviting you to become their religion and they said "Come join us and god will save you.. !!! What the fuck!
@stevesilvia If your a member of the body of Christ, why would you bother with a denomination, especially those that are sending you to Hell? Your following man, not God and His word...
@iTrustedChrist --The Catholic Church is not a denomination, but the one and only Church Jesus established; all others came from us and are thus the errant denominations. It was not the intention of God to have denominations.
@baldonebear There, 10 posts...and you still won't "get It"...not many do! Only a few...remember? Sorry if i am boring you all, with God's word, rightly divided!
Part 1 You got me. You are to be applauded, baldonebear. You have a degree in theology, and grade 1 level of Greek...on to which you can go to and place your authortiy on, any time you want...??
I place my authority on the King James Version of the bible. I don't place my authority on anything else.
I get it fine...I understand your personal interpretation of scripture. I disagree, as it is not historical Christianity, nor does the correct "rightly dividing" of scripture, which takes the two elements I posted, substantiate your position.
Water baptism was the one thing Peter told everyone present on the day of Pentecost to do. It is talked about through the NT, and it was just as important to the early church as it is today.
@ZebraSpider454 I have heard that. But it's hard to know for sure, isn't it. There are those who claim King David was a homosexual, also.
I do know for sure that God saves homosexuals. He's not mad at them, nor does he hate them, nor does He want the death penalty for homosexuals, like some Christians do...imagine that, the death penalty for gays, by Christians who claim they are saved by God's Grace. They get this from failing to "rightly divide" scripture.
"They get this from failing to "rightly divide" scripture."
In your opinion, how does one rightly divide the scriptures? I ask, because all Protestants believe they do this, and what you end up with is thousands of variances.
Why should i even have to go any further in this discussion? You claim we are "commanded" to be water baptized.
Under God's Grace, today, we are not "commanded" to do anything, otherwise it's not God's Grace!
All commands (ordinances), have been nailed to the cross!! Colossians 2:14 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Not to mention, Galatians 4:9 (KJV) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
By the way, don't you know there are "dry" baptisms mentioned in the bible. Not every time you see the word "baptism", does it mean "water". Romans 6:4 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Most miss Christ's second baptism which was dry, Luke 12:50 (KJV) But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
This verse speaks of our "dry" baptism into His death, Romans 6:4
You give all the same old arguments, that i have heard before, that you learned from who ever it is that has taught you.
For example your all mixed up on James 2: 14-26. Apostle Paul says in, Romans 5:1 (KJV) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Paul mentions nothing about producing, faith plus "works/fruits". It's faith, alone!
We, today, are to follow the Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 11:1 (KJV) Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Then you bring up Abraham, who at first was saved by faith, ONLY, Genesis 15:6 (KJV) And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Then came, faith plus works, for Abraham, in Genesis chpt 17.
Ain't it funny how Paul brings up Abraham as an example, like James did? Paul claims we are justified by faith, ALONE, Romans 5:1. James claims we are justified by, faith plus works.
Both bring up Abraham. Paul's example is Abraham's faith, alone. James is Abraham's, faith plus works.
I think it's time you learn how to "rightly divide" scripture.
I imagine you know the Apostle Paul was saved in Acts 9. But i bet you didn't know that Christ appeared several more times, to give Paul NEW revelation which is called the Revelation of the Mystery, you read in Romans 16:25,26.
Notice how this NEW revelation was "kept secret since the world began". NO ONE knew of this new revelation...not even Satan himself knew of this!
I see that you are one of those who only follows the teaching of Paul. I know your kind. You throw out the rest of the NT that does not fit your brand of Protestantism.
Paul speaks about faith apart from the Law...he never says "faith alone". In reality, faith is the only thing that gives us access to grace, but our faith is expected to be alive, fruitful.
"My kind..." hey, i think i am going to use that term, below:
I invite everyone to come over and check out "My kind...", and how we "rightly divide" scripture, how we live in obedience to Christ, because we follow the Apostle Paul's doctrines, and live in total freedom, because Christ will never hold another sin to our account, whether it's...our past sins, present sins, or our future sins!
Thx baldonebear! It has been a pleasure. I'll leave u to your beliefs, now. Titus 3:10
The doctrine you give, everyone knew about, "since the world began", which saves no one today, Acts 3:21 (KJV) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets "SINCE the world began".
This is why Acts 2:38, is NOT the church the body of Christ, the church on earth, today.
I am trying to show you that one must learn to "rightly divide" scripture. But you won't listen, just like my parents. Nor, will any one else, for that matter. This, i guess i can do nothing about.
It takes time, (i'm talking a couple of years), to properly "rightly divide" scripture. But your continual arguing without even bothering to look at what i am saying, shows you have no interest, and will not even listen.
If one is actually saved, the Spirit should guide one to this truth. But it will be a fight, a tug of war, because you all have been taught wrong for so long.
I've gone through it, I believed once like you all do!
It was a tug of war for 2 years for me, before i learned properly how to "rightly divide" scripture.
Now, i stand fast in that liberty, wherewith Christ hath made us free, Galatians 5:1.
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Merry Christmas. The three priests and the former teacher are charged with raping boys. The administrator is the first Roman Catholic church official cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua charged in the U.S. for his administrative actions. Less than a decade ago, he was involved in a case which held 63 priests guilty of rapes. Brennan is charged with raping a 14-year-old boy from a suburban parish. Pastor to Rape Victim: "He Should Have Killed You. At Least You'd Have Died A Virgin."
Ok. Protestant and Catholics are not a member of the body of Christ unless, each person personally, trusts Christ and Him alone for salvation, according to Paul's Gospel which he declares in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, which is a Gift of God, Ephesians 2 :8,9, where God specifically says in 2 Cor 5:19, that He will not impute another sin there account.
Being Protestant, or Catholic, or anything else, has nothing to do with being a member of the body of Christ.
Everything that you posted from scripture the CC teaches.
Being part of the body of Christ is not just about saying a prayer and BAM you are part of it. That is not the way the Church has ever believed, not eve the early church.
The Early Church, as the CC today, believed, as the scripture teaches, that one must be baptized. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38; 41, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27.
They believed that "Born Again" (actually this is the Greek word "anothen" and is better translated as "from above" or anew) was a reality at baptism. Jesus said in Jon 3: "“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Justin the Martyr wrote a very long apology (explanation) to Roman Emperor Antonius Pius. In the section on Christian Worship ne goes into detail on this very topic.
It was written in the second century.
He explains what takes place as one come into the faith, accepting the Christ, and prayer.
In the next post I will give you an excerpt from his text...
"Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.
For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, “Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
By the way, God only ever had a "few" true believers. There was never any great "multitudes" that followed Him. Keep this in mind when you go to church Sunday mornings. The churches are filled with unsaved so called christians.
We do not trust in good works. We trust in Christ.
We enter into his Grace through our faith (Eph 2:18). We realize that only faith allows us to enter that grace (Eph 2:8-9) But we also realize that once we are in faith, that faith must produce works/fruit, or it is dead (James 2:14-26). Just as with Abraham our faith and works work together to make our faith complete (James 2:22)
There is a reason why your parents do not listen to you....
Nor, will i ever be water baptised, as this was a ritual under the old Jewish Kingdom, program.
I am baptised into Christ's death: Romans 6:4 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
I don't celebrate christmas, as we are to remember Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, not His birth, which actually happened near the end of September, which can be figured out from the bible.
NOT trusting in your church, your pope, and your priest or pastor, behind the alter or pulpit, and especially not trusting in your "good works"!! like my parents, who are Catholic, are.
BUT, one day you will be reunited with that "new creature' of yours, once you die, or Christ comes for you (caught up, or rapture), but ONLY if you have trusted HIm, and HIM ALONE!
"Rapture" is a transliteration of the Latin, which is a translation of the Greek harpadzo.
It means "to gather". The imagery was well know to the people of that day...as a victorious King/soldier returning to his city, the people would gather themselves to him, and enter the city together.
The Greek word for "dispensation" means: management, stewardship, oversight, administration. It is not the teaching you hold started by John Nelson Darby.
There is a lot of exciting teachings from the bible, once one learns to rightly divide scripture, which i hope you and your friends will look further into, for your souls sake. There will be nothing but "Good News", if you do. You will learn that you cannot do anything with that old sinful nature of yours,
God will then gather, us, the ones in heavenly places, who have trusted Christ, today, and the Jewish nation of old, and those who go through and are saved during the Tribulation, on the earth, who will "endure to the end", Matthew 24:13, and we will all be together in "one".
Ephesians 1:10 (KJV) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The "dispensation of the fulness of times" spoken of here, is after the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ on earth.
Without "rightly dividing" scripture you would never know that God has an earthly people, the Kingdom Jewish people, and a heavenly people, where Jew and Gentile are one. The heavenly people are you and me, today, if we have trusted Christ as Saviour
The "born again" people are those of the earthy Kingdom made up of the Jewish nation under the old Kingdom program, which one day will be resumed.
One day God will resume this program with Israel, that has been put on hold, once the church the body of Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." has been complete, in this the dispensation of God's Grace, Ephesians chpt 3.
Part 5 a Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Part 4 b These old things that "have passed away" is NOT your old sin nature. This old sin nature, you will never get rid of. The things that have passed away is Christ as the Jewish Messiah, and the old Kingdom program, for the Jewish people...which has failed, and this old program has been shut down,
Part 4 a As a new creature, your ar now, seated in the heavenlies, Ephesians 1:3 (KJV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ:
When one trusts Christ as Saviour, today, you become a BRAND NEW creature, 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
To use "born again" language, means you are referring to only the Jewish nation. These are the ones who had to "born again", under the Kingdom or Jewish program, for the Jews. To be "born again", your right, means, "from above" or anew, but you are only renewing what already, was.
There is a huge difference, here!! This is why you need to learn to "rightly divide" scripture, 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.
Do you know the Gk word for divide? It is a compound word...do you know what they are?
to "divide" correctly you must know the textual critique, the move on the historical, cultural and sociological aspects surrounding the text.
Your private interpretation is one of thousands by Protestants, all who claim they have the leading of the Holy Spirit and truth. Most have severe variances in interpretation.
The one source that I gave you is one out of many that substantiates how the Early Christians understood "born again". I trust those who were students of the Apostles over an independent like yourself in the year 2011.
Your understanding of born again and the Jewish nation...not found anywhere historically in Christianity. Thus I leave that topic where it is.
Today, Christ is NOT our Jewish Messiah, He has come as our SAVIOUR, to Jew and Gentile, alike, Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
For these Jewish people, was who Christ come for, Matthew 15:24 (KJV) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Really!?! Watch this. Type "Catholic Bible vs. Protestant Bible" in the search window of youtube and watch the first video that comes up in its completeness.
There you go, i gave you a chance to give us the Gospel of Christ, and all you did was work around it, like typical christianity.
How that Christ died for ALL of our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, God will NEVER impute (charge) another sin to our account, 2 Corinthians 5:19, and that salvation is a GIFT from God, Ephesians 2:8,9. This is the Gospel of God's Grace, God's "Good News" for us today.
If you knew this you would shout it out with joy, every chance you get!
"There you go, i gave you a chance to give us the Gospel of Christ, and all you did was work around it,"
No...you asked me if I knew what the gospel was, and I said that I did. You did not ask for a detailed message on the Gospel.
Dispensational theology began in the 1800's. That is a documented reality. What you will not find is this teaching, as done today, in any o of the Apostolic or Patristic church fathers writings; writings that are windows.
What you did not like was a different perspective. However, what I shared is the correct, and documented, historical, cultural and sociological back drop of the biblical texts posted.
I do shout out with joy. I believe 1 Cor 15, 2 Cor 5 and Eph 2 100%.
The issue is not that I do not believe, rather, your skewed perception of the true Church that the Apostle Paul wrote about in the bible.
You are a Protestant, even if you do not accept the title.
@iTrustedChrist Wow, what a gross misinterpretation of 2 Corinthians 5:19! No wonder you're Protestant. If we could rape, kill and murder without worrying about God judging us or "charging a sin to our account", we'd have it made!
Whose interpretation of that verse are you following? Yours? Thanks for proving the fact that we NEED the Catholic Church to act as an authority in interpreting Scripture. Otherwise, we have mass confusion about what Scripture means.
@drdst17 Wow Wee! are you going to get a shock when you die and wake up in Hell.
Don't u find it strange, baldonebear believes it 100%? He never argued it, like u r. That's because he know's what Christ did on the Cross, for us, even though he turned catholic.
I'll leave you this to ponder, as YOU take time to actually learn the bible:
God allows us this liberty, because, what better could God do to measure our true love and devotion to Him, then to turn us lose to satisfy ourselves?
If the rest of you want to read part 2-6, go ahead, but i warn you you may croak off before getting through it, and having never trusted Christ, you destination will be the lake of fire. Trust Christ, and what He done on your behalf, first!
Dispensationalism has been around since the Holy Spirit had the Apostle Paul write it, in the bible. You and the rest either missed it, or want nothing to do with it....typical!
Please allow me to comment on the content of your post.
1. Yes, I know very well what the Gospel of Christ is, as I read it a live it daily. As a former Evangelical pastor, the focus of the Gospel and Christ in the CC is one of the items that drew to her.
2. Dispensationalism in an invention of the 1800's; not part of historic Christianity, though I do agree that we are under Grace, not the Law.
3. If you are going to refer to a scripture, do so in context. In Galatians 1 when Paul speaks of "another gospel". he is addressing the teaching of the Judaizers who taught that certain aspects of the OT Law must be followed along with serving Christ.
Thus, his letter teaches on the grace (Gk charis) which means favor or acceptance through the blood of Christ, as opposed to the Law.
This has zero application to a priest with this title. Jesus is speaking about a very real issue within Judaism, mainly, the cult of personality that many leaders had.
If we take your view:
He says to call no one Rabbi/teacher. If you call someone "Dr." you violate this. He says call no one "master". If you address some one as Mr, Mrs, etc, you violate this this. You also violate it you call your biological father "father"
IYou believe that you have the truth, thus, your parents should listen to you. Does that make them lost?
As Catholic Christians, we do not blindly follow anyone. You have another use of scripture out of place. This, and you other applications are a prime example of forcing a round peg into a square hole.
What brand of Protestantism do you follow? Their are thousands with doctrinal variance. Who has the truth and how do you know, as all claim truth?
"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
They get this all from the Bible especially from Ezekiel 23 and once you read that passage you will be convinced that the 'Bible' is NOT the Word of God its MAN-MADE :)
The Bible is a violent and filthy book talking about gays, incest, pornography etc only fools will believe in such things and attribute these things to or from the almighty.
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Jeremiah 17:9
Men who listen to the "ear of their heart" will surely be deceived. The only way to be saved is by coming directly to Jesus Christ. Not through any man or ritual, but truly accepting the gift he gives us freely. The price has already been paid for us. Praise Jesus, he gives us eternal life freely.
Dionysian worship is what the Catholic Church was orginally about. The purple robe, stick with a pine cone on top, the Kantharos, or wine goblet, the bells during mass, the red wine, and of course let's not forget sexual acts. It's all part of the Dionysian cult that flourished during the middle ages. The Vatican wants everyone to believe this was a cult during Roman times, but it's false! This worship took place in the middle ages all over Europe, until the Inquistion! It's still going on!
The priesthood of romanisim is a direct contradiction to Bible docterin where it says to avoid those who forbid to marry. in the old testment it says not to pray to the queen of heaven, the pagans were doing that long befor the catholics. what does that make them, but pagans who pray to idols that look similar to the pagan idols of old. the queen of heaven in the case of romanism just wears more cloths, but Mary would be horrified if she came back and saw what has evolved over the centuries.
@sarashitzu But Mary has been coming back so many times sent by God to remind us to repent and turn back to God. Google search the Apparitions of the Blessed Mother Mary.
My family is Catholic - I am not. I was born again on March 11, 2007. I profess that Jesus Christ is Lord and that salvation is by grace ALONE. The RCC teaches a false gospel. If you want to be saved, leave the Catholic church and find a good non-denominational, bible believing church. Mary can not hear you or help you.
edadan2009 2 days ago
@edadan2009 It is true that a person is not saved by his works and that salvation is completely of grace. However that does not mean that works have nothing to do with salvation. This is what the Catholic church teaches....Your gossip that we teach a false gospel is just that....gossip.
stevesilvia 1 day ago
@stevesilvia Say if Protestantism teaches a false gospel when in fact in general it uses only the Bible as its source. Catholicism uses a myriad of them, catechisms, missals, etc.. I was Catholic myself and was in a very traditional Catholic school for 12 years. Sadly all that time I never even found out Salvation. Here's what they taught: Marian worship, rituals, traditions, good works. Good works from tradition = Salvation. This is not biblical at all.
emmthreejonny 1 day ago
@stevesilvia
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ep 2:8-9)
"Works" are a result of salvation - not a means to it - and as such, have nothing to do with it. There is SO MUCH more wrong with Catholicism, but so few characters left. I would strongly encourage anyone who has doubts about this wicked system to investigate it on their own.
edadan2009 1 day ago
@edadan2009 Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."
stevesilvia 1 day ago
@stevesilvia
You are nothing like the apostle Paul! He never did the abominable things that you practice. Paul had a relationship with Jesus Christ and taught others to do likewise. You teach men to pray to dead people and to worship Mary. You follow a corrupt papal system that teaches men that they are saved by their own good works. You teach men that they will be purified in a fictitious place called "purgatory". These people could have been saved, but YOU have kept them from it.
edadan2009 9 hours ago
@edadan2009 Like the apostle Paul, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)." That is a bible verse....Truth, we don't worship Mary...thus you follow the gossip and lies of man,,,,,That is the ultimate truth....Your gossip that you spread here is lies... If you want to know the truth, ask a Catholic and not someone who spreads lies and gossip....
stevesilvia 9 hours ago
@stevesilvia
Steve,
I was raised Catholic. I have spoken with lots of Catholics about these things. Some even deny that they pray to Mary. I'm really sorry if this has been offensive to you personally - sometimes it's neccessary to "slap" someone in the face to wake them up. You have been taken captive by Satan and don't even know it. (see 2 Cor 4:3-4) Ask Jesus Christ to set you free - don't ask Mary or the pope of anyone else - ask Jesus. Ask Him sincerely and He will answer you.
edadan2009 3 hours ago
@edadan2009 spare me your snide remarks, everyone here knows that your spreading gossip. Go slap someone in the mirror. Revelation 5:8 says the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding. Bible truth!
stevesilvia 3 hours ago
@stevesilvia
Catholicism has taught you that a select few in Heaven are saints and that you should ask them to intercede for you. Thus, your (mis)understanding of Rev 5:8.
1 Cor 1:1 (and other scriptures) tell us that the saints of God are here on the earth right now. We pray to God in Jesus' name - exactly the way that Jesus told us to do it. Our prayers are from here - they are presented to God as described in Rev 5:8. You are badly mistaken in your understanding of scripture.
edadan2009 2 hours ago
@edadan2009 I am talking about those who are in heaven....Don't change the subject.
stevesilvia 1 hour ago
@stevesilvia
Steve,
Subject hasn't changed. Can you show me in scripture where Jesus or any of His disciples prayed to the dead?
edadan2009 58 minutes ago
@edadan2009 (Rev. 5:8). The simple fact is, as this passage shows: The saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
stevesilvia 49 minutes ago
@stevesilvia
You're getting closer, but you're still not there. Now please show me in scripture where Jesus or any of His disciples taught us to pray to the dead.
edadan2009 40 minutes ago
@edadan2009 Mark 9:4, Jesus i speaking to the dead...And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus. Those who are in heaven are not dead....
stevesilvia 47 minutes ago
@stevesilvia
Correct. God IS the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - He IS the God of the living and not of the dead. But Jesus was NOT praying to them nor was He teaching us to pray to them.
edadan2009 36 minutes ago
@edadan2009 Paul says that Christians should interceed: "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:1–4). Romans 12:5 so in Christ we who are many form one body...
stevesilvia 30 minutes ago
@stevesilvia
YES! We (the saints) should interceed for everyone. The question is, who do we offer our prayers to - God or men? Search through scripture and you will find that Jesus always prayed to our Father in Heaven. He taught us to pray to our Father in Heaven. He taught us that whatever we ask of the Father in His (Jesus) name, it would be done for us. This is God's will for us, that we obey Him and do as He did.
edadan2009 8 minutes ago
I understands it then a priest is also a person that is responsible on such things that whatever he's decision is and feelings to follow then let's rspect that and accept that it's called the free will and God definitely would understands him more than the way we do.... and P' S to the healing priest GodBless Us and thank's to you Blessed thee..... please pray for me too. Priest from me Woulin.
funnywoul 6 days ago
@KJVWordofGod
Part 2
Many people were raised Catholic...so what!
Many people were raised Protestant and have not a clue about their church's teaching either.
Just because someone was raised Catholic does not mean they "know" all about it.
I was raised Catholic...had not a clue, as we were very casual.
As an adult when I returned, I learned the truth.
As a Protestant pastor, I learned how to research. It was that ability to research that led me back to the fullness of faith!
baldonebear 1 week ago
@KJVWordofGod --More protestant bullshit i see; Go worship your fag bible, mr kjv only.
Archangel866 1 week ago
@Archangel866 is a perfect example proving my comment. We are all sinners and no one lives a holy life. I would say Archangel866 is not typical of Roman Catholics. Most of them are nice people who are simply uninformed and misinformed by the RCC.....and that's just the way the RCC wants them to be...ignorant and hell bound. As for Archangel866...his own words bewray his heart as unclean and in need of a Saviour. It's clear the RCC is not doing him any good thing.
KJVWordofGod 1 week ago
@KJVWordofGod
So, Catholics are misinformed by the Church?
Simply put, that is pure, thick conjecture, and only true in the depths of your mind.
As a former Evangelical...I can tell you that there is more scripture read, sung, prayed and taught in the CC, then in the lions share of Evangelical communities.
It sickens me to read your posts, as you clearly contradict your latest posts.
I too was raided RCC, left, became an Evangelical pastor, and came home.
baldonebear 1 week ago
@baldonebear You are either a liar or simply not born again as one cannot be born of the Spirit of God and voluntarily remain in the RCC for any significant length of time for the Spirit testifies of the evil of the RCC to the Christian. (Being a former Evangelical does not mean you are born again). And it's not conjecture, it's fact. The RCC holds the POOP (sic on purpose) and traditions as greater than the Word of God. God puts his Word ABOVE his name. The RCC steps on it.
KJVWordofGod 4 days ago
@KJVWordofGod
Part 1
That "must" be what it is, in order for your thesis to have any support.
Being born again (a better translation from the Greek is anew or from above) takes place when a person is baptized. We see this over and again in the writings of the Church fathers.
When you sate: "The RCC holds the POOP (sic on purpose) and traditions as greater than the Word of God." that is 100% conjecture. It is a lie.
baldonebear 3 days ago
@KJVWordofGod
Part 2
First, you must understand that tradition has two meanings; it is used to describe different things..
What I would ask, before I go on, is do you know the difference? Define the two types of tradition.
baldonebear 3 days ago
@KJVWordofGod
Part 3
I am not sure that you understand the usage of "sic".
Sic is always used on purpose, but who are you quoting?
baldonebear 3 days ago
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Archangel866 1 week ago
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I have seen many ministers of all christian brands walk into the realm of the intellectuall disabled,mentally ill,sreet kids etc and not greet them,converse with them or even minister to them,why?because the minister knows these people will not hold them on a pedistal,therefor the priest considers them to be a waste of his time??The minister cant handle the reality of life because they exist in a world self glorification and comfort..Jesus=action not ego : )
sped1407 2 weeks ago
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Jesus would be sad that his legacy,2000 odd years down the track is being debated and manipulated to such an extent.why not use this forum to debate who is going to go out and save the next child from forced prostitution,or is going to head down to the local homeless hangout to offer blankets,who will relieve a parent from the exhaustion of caring for an autistic child.This is how you spread the glory of God,by example not via lazy bible recitals.if you know it,do it.If u have wings fly.: )
sped1407 2 weeks ago
your words appear irrational to me hiswife.the church you appear to represent is one off oppreession and hate,hate
sped1407 2 weeks ago
As a catholic priest you come from a tradition of abusers and poor unfotunate men suffering from mental illness,seek help ,live before its too late....peace
sped1407 3 weeks ago
@sped1407
Wrong. It is as a human being descended from Adam that anyone comes from a "tradition of abusers....". You would like the sin to exist outside of your own little group but the truth is the sin is inside of you, as it is in all of us regardless of religon, ethnicity, political persuasion, hair color or any other term people use to push others into a box they can more easily hate and spread lies about. Peace.
hiswife2002 3 weeks ago
@sped1407 --A recent book makes the claim that the Catholic priesthood is "the happiest" profession out there. Your words are from satan himself; dont allow him to speak through you.
Archangel866 2 weeks ago
@Archangel866 Did satan tell you this?My words are from me,myself actually,if you take your self-righteous goggles off and stop and read my post I say,"as a catholic priest" not as a child of God,then I say "the church you appear to represent"a good priest does not represent the catholic church, they humbly follow the teachings of Christ.The catholic and other church's futiley attempt to raise their persona to that of a collective deity.This is what Jesus sees when he walks with me.jesus eternal
sped1407 2 weeks ago
@sped1407 --you sound confused; get psych help soon.
Archangel866 2 weeks ago
@Archangel866 thanks for the advise,but I would prefer help from a priest who can respond to me with love and fellowship and who can demonstrate a true understanding of jesus'gift to man.your response is a good example of how the many catholic priests,brothers and nuns I grew up around dealt with pressure,either accuse you of being posessed by demons or whip you with a cane or leather strap.Your ego appears to be hindering your capacity for great deeds,be nice,jesus wont go away :)
sped1407 2 weeks ago
@Archangel866e,you gotta start somewhere.You may see my attempt to reach out to you as crazy or derived from a mental illness??We will never meet but we are all conected ,rejoice in this fact.words have no place on our lords earth if they are not used with our eternal conection in mind.Your words effect you,me eveyone.I'm here for you friend: )
sped1407 1 week ago
@sped1407 I have read your profile 'about me'.these are all quotes from others,what about you.Have a think,see if you can organise some words from your heart.then come to me with love and fellowship.Jesus wont run away just because you express your appriciation of his works,words and world from your own heart.Try to keep it positive if you can,but it doesnt have to be
sped1407 1 week ago
The last two comments (below), is known as, Denominational Pride!
Why aren't you proclaiming Jesus Christ as your Saviour, for what He had done for YOU, on the Cross???
Time to "wake up"...people! No one is "blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:" Ephesians 1:3, until you have trusted Christ and HIM ALONE, for salvation!!! This is the testimony you should be shouting out...not your denominational pride.
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iTrustedChrist 3 weeks ago
Proud to be a catholic. I'm making my confirmation in feb! Can't wait (:
SelenaL10 4 weeks ago
@SelenaL10 Peace be upon you...Can u show me where Jesus clearly said IM GOD or WORSHIP ME?? I also interested in Catholic...
faiziskandar786 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786 Muslim's bate! For all we know Jesus never said that exact words but He claimed to be God. Anyway, maybe can you show me where Jesus said "I am not God do not worship me"?
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
@ARahhaman06 Ops,maybe I wrong,so show to me where He claimed to be God??
faiziskandar786 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786 Don't you know that the following name of Allah is the name of Jesus?
Ar-Rahman, Ar-Rahim, Al-Malik, Al-Quddus, As-Salam, Al-Aziz, Al-Khaliq, Al-Bhari, Al-Ghaffar, Ar-Razzaq, Al-Fattah, Al-Aleem, As-Sami, Al-Basir, Al-Hakam, Al-Latif, Al-Khabeer, Al-Azeem, Al-Ghafur, Ash-Shakur, Al-Haseeb, Al-Jalil, Al-Karim, Al-Wasi, Al-Majid, Al-Baith, Ash-Shahid, Al-Haqq, Al-Muhyiy, Al-Hayy, Al-Wahid, Al-Awwal, Al-Akhir, Al-Muta'aliy, An-Nur, Al-Hadiy, Al-Rashid, Al-Baqiy.
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
@ARahhaman06 Wow! go to spread your new idea in the west.. ;)
faiziskandar786 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786 Sorry this is not a new idea in the west.
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786 Al-Bā'ith The Resurrecter
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
@ARahhaman06 Foot note in John11.25-'and the life' not include in manuscript..So who give this word??
faiziskandar786 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786
John 11:25
(ASV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live;
(BBE) Jesus said to her, I am myself that day and that life; he who has faith in me will have life even if he is dead;
(ESV) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
(GNB) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me will live, even though they die;
(HNT) ויאמר אליה ישוע אנכי התקומה והחיים המאמין בי יחיה גם כי־ימות׃
(ISV) Jesus told her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live.
(KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
(KJV+) JesusG2424 saidG2036 unto her,G846 IG1473 amG1510 theG3588 resurrection,G386 andG2532 theG3588 life:G2222 he that believethG4100 inG1519 me,G1691 thoughG2579 he were dead,G599 yet shall he live:G2198
(MKJV) Jesus said to her, I am the Resurrection and the Life! He who believes in Me, though he die, yet he shall live.
(RV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live:
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
(SVD) قَالَ لَهَا يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الْقِيَامَةُ وَالْحَيَاةُ. مَنْ آمَنَ بِي وَلَوْ مَاتَ فَسَيَحْيَا
(TAB) Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Ako ang pagkabuhay na maguli, at ang kabuhayan: ang sumasampalataya sa akin, bagama't siya'y mamatay, gayon ma'y mabubuhay siya;
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
@ARahhaman06 Thanks bro,I can read it at bible . cc ,lets use YM to chat ;) tq..
faiziskandar786 3 weeks ago
@faiziskandar786 Al-Ḥaqq The Truth, The Reality, -Muḥyīy The Giver of Life, Ar-Rashīd The Guide to the Right Path , An-Nūr The Light
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
The muslim said that the oneness of Jesus and the God the Father is only just in purpose. Jesus clearly said that, "I am in the Father and the Father in me" The Father dwelleth in Him (Jesus)
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
ARahhaman06 3 weeks ago
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@faiziskandar786 asked "Can u show me where Jesus clearly said IM GOD or WORSHIP ME?"
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." ...‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, CLAIM TO BE GOD.’”
John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.'"
182RG 2 weeks ago
God bless Catholicism and all the Catholic Priests, Bishops, Deacons and all the hierarchy of my religion! I'm proud to say I'm Catholic and always will be!
michaelj1955 4 weeks ago
@ZebraSpider454 Ya, i know this is what Catholics believe, and this depresses me. I spent a little over half of my life as a R C, but when i wanted help for my sin problem, i found nothing, for such a sinner as i. So i turned to the protestant denominations. All i got from them was, my sin was sending me to Hell, and i believed them. But they gave no true solution, and this brought me to the brink of suicide. When all hope was gone, it was then i just trusted Christ, for HE was all i had left.
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iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
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@iTrustedChrist
I am wondering if you would be kind enough to answer my question?
Also: "but when i wanted help for my sin problem, i found nothing, for such a sinner as i. So i turned to the protestant denominations."
I am amazed when I read comments like this. My opinion is that it was your age.
Coming out of Protestantism, I find your statement to be polar opposite of the truth.
Now, I find help, and feel the true freedom in Christ.
baldonebear 4 weeks ago
That night i was saved...but, it would be a another good part of my life, of searching for truth, until i found those teaching the true Gospel, the "Good News", by which i was saved, which i will state one more time.
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iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
All one has to do is trust Christ for what He had done on your behalf on Calvary's Cross, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, where Christ died for every one of your sins; past, present, and future sins.
If He did not die for ALL, He died for none!
God will never again charge any sin to your account...ever, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Salvation is totally a Gift from God. Ephesians 2:8,9.
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iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
So, once one has trusted Christ, and is saved, then what?
The Apostle Paul says we are to:
Ephesians 3:9 (KJV) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Also,
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
You do this and there won't be any time for your church, or your denomination.
This will become a full time work for you, and when Jesus calls you home, or you die before this, all the saved will stand before Christ and make an account for what they have done, to gain souls for Christ, and what they have done with God's word, rightly divided.
This is all i have for you.
iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
what do i like in catholic is free will..... they don't care what religion are you, as long as you pray and you believe in god they will pray for you to. but the other religion when they saw you they kept inviting you to become their religion and they said "Come join us and god will save you.. !!! What the fuck!
welhim16 1 month ago
@welhim16 The question is, are you saved? Your praying, believing in God, and having them pray for you, doesn't save you!
What saves you, is, trusting Christ, and Him alone, for what He has done for you on the Cross.
When you do this, you automatically become a member of the body of Christ,
1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
This is not becoming a member of any denomination. The body of Christ is made up of those who have trusted Christ.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist Becoming a member of a denomination, does not mean you are not a member of the Body of Christ...Seems you got it backwards.
stevesilvia 4 weeks ago
@stevesilvia If your a member of the body of Christ, why would you bother with a denomination, especially those that are sending you to Hell? Your following man, not God and His word...
iTrustedChrist 4 weeks ago
@iTrustedChrist --The Catholic Church is not a denomination, but the one and only Church Jesus established; all others came from us and are thus the errant denominations. It was not the intention of God to have denominations.
ZebraSpider454 4 weeks ago
@baldonebear There, 10 posts...and you still won't "get It"...not many do! Only a few...remember? Sorry if i am boring you all, with God's word, rightly divided!
Part 1 You got me. You are to be applauded, baldonebear. You have a degree in theology, and grade 1 level of Greek...on to which you can go to and place your authortiy on, any time you want...??
I place my authority on the King James Version of the bible. I don't place my authority on anything else.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 1
I get it fine...I understand your personal interpretation of scripture. I disagree, as it is not historical Christianity, nor does the correct "rightly dividing" of scripture, which takes the two elements I posted, substantiate your position.
Water baptism was the one thing Peter told everyone present on the day of Pentecost to do. It is talked about through the NT, and it was just as important to the early church as it is today.
You fail epically.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist --King James was a homosexual.
ZebraSpider454 1 month ago
@ZebraSpider454 I have heard that. But it's hard to know for sure, isn't it. There are those who claim King David was a homosexual, also.
I do know for sure that God saves homosexuals. He's not mad at them, nor does he hate them, nor does He want the death penalty for homosexuals, like some Christians do...imagine that, the death penalty for gays, by Christians who claim they are saved by God's Grace. They get this from failing to "rightly divide" scripture.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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@iTrustedChrist
"They get this from failing to "rightly divide" scripture."
In your opinion, how does one rightly divide the scriptures? I ask, because all Protestants believe they do this, and what you end up with is thousands of variances.
I would appreciate an honest answer.
baldonebear 1 month ago
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Why should i even have to go any further in this discussion? You claim we are "commanded" to be water baptized.
Under God's Grace, today, we are not "commanded" to do anything, otherwise it's not God's Grace!
All commands (ordinances), have been nailed to the cross!! Colossians 2:14 (KJV) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
I am glad that you are happy in your perversion.
As for me, I will follow the whole of scripture, rightly divided textual, historically, culturally and sociologically.
I choose to worship the Father in spirit and in truth in the fullness of Christ.
baldonebear 1 month ago
Part 2 b
Not to mention, Galatians 4:9 (KJV) But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Water baptism is "weak and beggarly element".
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 2 c
By the way, don't you know there are "dry" baptisms mentioned in the bible. Not every time you see the word "baptism", does it mean "water". Romans 6:4 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 2
Dry Baptisms? Wow.
Rom 6...Paul is explaining the spiritual reality of baptism...water baptism.
NEVER, in the history of the Church, including all the writings of the Apostolic and Patristic Fathers do we ever see baptism mentioned as dry.
The Baptism in the Holy Spirit would be "dry", as we are immersed with the Spirit Himself.
Yes, the arguments that I have learned from scripture and the credible historical documentation.
baldonebear 1 month ago
Part 2 d
Most miss Christ's second baptism which was dry, Luke 12:50 (KJV) But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!
This verse speaks of our "dry" baptism into His death, Romans 6:4
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 3
You give all the same old arguments, that i have heard before, that you learned from who ever it is that has taught you.
For example your all mixed up on James 2: 14-26. Apostle Paul says in, Romans 5:1 (KJV) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Paul mentions nothing about producing, faith plus "works/fruits". It's faith, alone!
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 3
Wow, you show your private interpretation failing...
In Romans, as well as his other letters, he is dealing with the diseased teaching of the Judaizers.
Thus, his theme is justification apart from the "works" of the Law".
Paul speaks much about good works for those in faith.
James speaks about those who are in faith...their faith must produce fruit to be living. Re-read the James text.
Therefore, I HAVE divided the scriptures correctly.
baldonebear 1 month ago
Part 4
We, today, are to follow the Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 11:1 (KJV) Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Then you bring up Abraham, who at first was saved by faith, ONLY, Genesis 15:6 (KJV) And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Then came, faith plus works, for Abraham, in Genesis chpt 17.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 5
Ain't it funny how Paul brings up Abraham as an example, like James did? Paul claims we are justified by faith, ALONE, Romans 5:1. James claims we are justified by, faith plus works.
Both bring up Abraham. Paul's example is Abraham's faith, alone. James is Abraham's, faith plus works.
I think it's time you learn how to "rightly divide" scripture.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 6
I imagine you know the Apostle Paul was saved in Acts 9. But i bet you didn't know that Christ appeared several more times, to give Paul NEW revelation which is called the Revelation of the Mystery, you read in Romans 16:25,26.
Notice how this NEW revelation was "kept secret since the world began". NO ONE knew of this new revelation...not even Satan himself knew of this!
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 4
I see that you are one of those who only follows the teaching of Paul. I know your kind. You throw out the rest of the NT that does not fit your brand of Protestantism.
Paul speaks about faith apart from the Law...he never says "faith alone". In reality, faith is the only thing that gives us access to grace, but our faith is expected to be alive, fruitful.
Do you deny the inspiration of James?
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Sure looks like it :)
hiswife2002 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 6
"to give Paul NEW revelation which is called the Revelation of the Mystery, you read in Romans 16:25,26."
Wow!!! The revelation is that salvation, through faith in Christ is available to both Jew and Gentile.
For all!! This what the Gospels teach. This is Sacred Tradition...something the Church has taught since the start.
Remember Peter's dream in Acts 11?
Ah...you show your personal brand of Protestantism so clearly.
Educate yourself.
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@baldonebear
"My kind..." hey, i think i am going to use that term, below:
I invite everyone to come over and check out "My kind...", and how we "rightly divide" scripture, how we live in obedience to Christ, because we follow the Apostle Paul's doctrines, and live in total freedom, because Christ will never hold another sin to our account, whether it's...our past sins, present sins, or our future sins!
Thx baldonebear! It has been a pleasure. I'll leave u to your beliefs, now. Titus 3:10
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 7
This is what Satan has you and the rest of so called christianity, blinded about. You don't see this.
You give a mixed up Gospel and bible teaching, which we call MUD (mixed up doctrine).
You don't see the revelation of the mystery that was given to Paul, by Christ, that was KEPT SECRET since the world began, which is for us today...
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 8
The doctrine you give, everyone knew about, "since the world began", which saves no one today, Acts 3:21 (KJV) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets "SINCE the world began".
This is why Acts 2:38, is NOT the church the body of Christ, the church on earth, today.
This is why we don't follow Mark 16:16.
This is why we follow Paul, 1 Corinthians 11:1.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 9
I am trying to show you that one must learn to "rightly divide" scripture. But you won't listen, just like my parents. Nor, will any one else, for that matter. This, i guess i can do nothing about.
It takes time, (i'm talking a couple of years), to properly "rightly divide" scripture. But your continual arguing without even bothering to look at what i am saying, shows you have no interest, and will not even listen.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 5
There is a reason why your parents will not listen to you.
you are not rightly dividing anything. Your private interpretation can be refuted with a textual and historical crtique.
I realize what you are now. I feel sorry for you, as you will have to answer for your heresy and your denial of the complete canon of scripture.
baldonebear 1 month ago
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When one is taught wrong, all this time, and the truth comes along, it's no wonder no one listens! They think...man is this wierd!
But, man has this tentancy to trust man, rather than God and His word, rightly divided, 2 Timothy 2:15.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Part 10 b
If one is actually saved, the Spirit should guide one to this truth. But it will be a fight, a tug of war, because you all have been taught wrong for so long.
I've gone through it, I believed once like you all do!
It was a tug of war for 2 years for me, before i learned properly how to "rightly divide" scripture.
Now, i stand fast in that liberty, wherewith Christ hath made us free, Galatians 5:1.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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HaDaBoiZ 1 month ago
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Merry Christmas. The three priests and the former teacher are charged with raping boys. The administrator is the first Roman Catholic church official cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua charged in the U.S. for his administrative actions. Less than a decade ago, he was involved in a case which held 63 priests guilty of rapes. Brennan is charged with raping a 14-year-old boy from a suburban parish. Pastor to Rape Victim: "He Should Have Killed You. At Least You'd Have Died A Virgin."
ReasonableAtheist 1 month ago
Ok. Protestant and Catholics are not a member of the body of Christ unless, each person personally, trusts Christ and Him alone for salvation, according to Paul's Gospel which he declares in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, which is a Gift of God, Ephesians 2 :8,9, where God specifically says in 2 Cor 5:19, that He will not impute another sin there account.
Being Protestant, or Catholic, or anything else, has nothing to do with being a member of the body of Christ.
Trust in Christ and Him alone, does.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Salvation does come only through Christ...there is not any dispute wit that.
1. 1 Cor 15...yes!
2. Eph 2...we are saved by grace...through faith. Faith gives us access to the grace of God. Cf: Romans 5:2
3. 2 Cor 5:19...100%
Everything that you posted from scripture the CC teaches.
Being part of the body of Christ is not just about saying a prayer and BAM you are part of it. That is not the way the Church has ever believed, not eve the early church.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 2
The Early Church, as the CC today, believed, as the scripture teaches, that one must be baptized. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38; 41, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27.
They believed that "Born Again" (actually this is the Greek word "anothen" and is better translated as "from above" or anew) was a reality at baptism. Jesus said in Jon 3: "“Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 3
Justin the Martyr wrote a very long apology (explanation) to Roman Emperor Antonius Pius. In the section on Christian Worship ne goes into detail on this very topic.
It was written in the second century.
He explains what takes place as one come into the faith, accepting the Christ, and prayer.
In the next post I will give you an excerpt from his text...
Cont...
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 4
The quote:
"Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated.
For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, “Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 9
By the way, God only ever had a "few" true believers. There was never any great "multitudes" that followed Him. Keep this in mind when you go to church Sunday mornings. The churches are filled with unsaved so called christians.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 6
We do not trust in good works. We trust in Christ.
We enter into his Grace through our faith (Eph 2:18). We realize that only faith allows us to enter that grace (Eph 2:8-9) But we also realize that once we are in faith, that faith must produce works/fruit, or it is dead (James 2:14-26). Just as with Abraham our faith and works work together to make our faith complete (James 2:22)
There is a reason why your parents do not listen to you....
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 8 b
Nor, will i ever be water baptised, as this was a ritual under the old Jewish Kingdom, program.
I am baptised into Christ's death: Romans 6:4 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 8 a
I don't celebrate christmas, as we are to remember Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, not His birth, which actually happened near the end of September, which can be figured out from the bible.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 5
The birth of Christ was celebrated on Dec 25 as a one more way that the Church abolished the public pagan practices.
Water baptism is a command, and as Christians it needs to be done.
In Roman 6, Paul is explaining what baptism symbolizes...hello!
Acts 2:38-41 and Mark 16:16 Is this text blacked out in your bible, or do you hold your own private interpretation?
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 7 c
NOT trusting in your church, your pope, and your priest or pastor, behind the alter or pulpit, and especially not trusting in your "good works"!! like my parents, who are Catholic, are.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 7 b
BUT, one day you will be reunited with that "new creature' of yours, once you die, or Christ comes for you (caught up, or rapture), but ONLY if you have trusted HIm, and HIM ALONE!
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 4
"Rapture" is a transliteration of the Latin, which is a translation of the Greek harpadzo.
It means "to gather". The imagery was well know to the people of that day...as a victorious King/soldier returning to his city, the people would gather themselves to him, and enter the city together.
The Greek word for "dispensation" means: management, stewardship, oversight, administration. It is not the teaching you hold started by John Nelson Darby.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 7 a
There is a lot of exciting teachings from the bible, once one learns to rightly divide scripture, which i hope you and your friends will look further into, for your souls sake. There will be nothing but "Good News", if you do. You will learn that you cannot do anything with that old sinful nature of yours,
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 6 c
God will then gather, us, the ones in heavenly places, who have trusted Christ, today, and the Jewish nation of old, and those who go through and are saved during the Tribulation, on the earth, who will "endure to the end", Matthew 24:13, and we will all be together in "one".
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 6 b
That's why Paul speaks of this:
Ephesians 1:10 (KJV) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
The "dispensation of the fulness of times" spoken of here, is after the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ on earth.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 6 a
Without "rightly dividing" scripture you would never know that God has an earthly people, the Kingdom Jewish people, and a heavenly people, where Jew and Gentile are one. The heavenly people are you and me, today, if we have trusted Christ as Saviour
The "born again" people are those of the earthy Kingdom made up of the Jewish nation under the old Kingdom program, which one day will be resumed.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 5 b
One day God will resume this program with Israel, that has been put on hold, once the church the body of Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) "Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular." has been complete, in this the dispensation of God's Grace, Ephesians chpt 3.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 5 a Romans 11:25 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 4 b These old things that "have passed away" is NOT your old sin nature. This old sin nature, you will never get rid of. The things that have passed away is Christ as the Jewish Messiah, and the old Kingdom program, for the Jewish people...which has failed, and this old program has been shut down,
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 4 a As a new creature, your ar now, seated in the heavenlies, Ephesians 1:3 (KJV) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ:
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 3 b
When one trusts Christ as Saviour, today, you become a BRAND NEW creature, 2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 3 a
To use "born again" language, means you are referring to only the Jewish nation. These are the ones who had to "born again", under the Kingdom or Jewish program, for the Jews. To be "born again", your right, means, "from above" or anew, but you are only renewing what already, was.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 2 b
There is a huge difference, here!! This is why you need to learn to "rightly divide" scripture, 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 2
2 Tim 2:15
Do you know the Gk word for divide? It is a compound word...do you know what they are?
to "divide" correctly you must know the textual critique, the move on the historical, cultural and sociological aspects surrounding the text.
Your private interpretation is one of thousands by Protestants, all who claim they have the leading of the Holy Spirit and truth. Most have severe variances in interpretation.
You lack any authority.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 3
The one source that I gave you is one out of many that substantiates how the Early Christians understood "born again". I trust those who were students of the Apostles over an independent like yourself in the year 2011.
Your understanding of born again and the Jewish nation...not found anywhere historically in Christianity. Thus I leave that topic where it is.
You can not substantiate.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@baldonebear
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Today, Christ is NOT our Jewish Messiah, He has come as our SAVIOUR, to Jew and Gentile, alike, Galatians 3:28 (KJV) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 1 b
For these Jewish people, was who Christ come for, Matthew 15:24 (KJV) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@baldonebear
Part 1 a
I fear for your soul, and the souls of most of so called christianity, for you are all, one in the same, beliefs.
When Christ said, "“Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”, who was Christ speaking as, and to whom?
Christ was speaking as the Jewish Messiah, to the Jewish people, ONLY!
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 1
9 posts...really?
Your part 1 a/b and 2 a contradict. Jesus was speaking to all. "This is why you need to learn to "rightly divide" scripture"
I spent many years in study, and still do. I earned a degree in theology and bible. I know how.
baldonebear 1 month ago
Here, have a read. It tells how i came to Christ for salvation.
wwwDOTaccordingtograceDOTcomFORWARDSLASHsavedDOThtml
(i think you should know what to replace the capitol letters, with)
I can only go after that, which i found to be Truth.
By the way, i think i made my fist point, that my parents would listen and trust there priest, before they would ever listen to me.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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Really!?! Watch this. Type "Catholic Bible vs. Protestant Bible" in the search window of youtube and watch the first video that comes up in its completeness.
MrSurfingdreamer 1 month ago
There you go, i gave you a chance to give us the Gospel of Christ, and all you did was work around it, like typical christianity.
How that Christ died for ALL of our sins, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, God will NEVER impute (charge) another sin to our account, 2 Corinthians 5:19, and that salvation is a GIFT from God, Ephesians 2:8,9. This is the Gospel of God's Grace, God's "Good News" for us today.
If you knew this you would shout it out with joy, every chance you get!
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iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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@iTrustedChrist
Part 1
"There you go, i gave you a chance to give us the Gospel of Christ, and all you did was work around it,"
No...you asked me if I knew what the gospel was, and I said that I did. You did not ask for a detailed message on the Gospel.
Dispensational theology began in the 1800's. That is a documented reality. What you will not find is this teaching, as done today, in any o of the Apostolic or Patristic church fathers writings; writings that are windows.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 2
What you did not like was a different perspective. However, what I shared is the correct, and documented, historical, cultural and sociological back drop of the biblical texts posted.
I do shout out with joy. I believe 1 Cor 15, 2 Cor 5 and Eph 2 100%.
The issue is not that I do not believe, rather, your skewed perception of the true Church that the Apostle Paul wrote about in the bible.
You are a Protestant, even if you do not accept the title.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist Wow, what a gross misinterpretation of 2 Corinthians 5:19! No wonder you're Protestant. If we could rape, kill and murder without worrying about God judging us or "charging a sin to our account", we'd have it made!
Whose interpretation of that verse are you following? Yours? Thanks for proving the fact that we NEED the Catholic Church to act as an authority in interpreting Scripture. Otherwise, we have mass confusion about what Scripture means.
drdst17 1 month ago
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iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
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@drdst17 Wow Wee! are you going to get a shock when you die and wake up in Hell.
Don't u find it strange, baldonebear believes it 100%? He never argued it, like u r. That's because he know's what Christ did on the Cross, for us, even though he turned catholic.
I'll leave you this to ponder, as YOU take time to actually learn the bible:
God allows us this liberty, because, what better could God do to measure our true love and devotion to Him, then to turn us lose to satisfy ourselves?
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
If the rest of you want to read part 2-6, go ahead, but i warn you you may croak off before getting through it, and having never trusted Christ, you destination will be the lake of fire. Trust Christ, and what He done on your behalf, first!
Dispensationalism has been around since the Holy Spirit had the Apostle Paul write it, in the bible. You and the rest either missed it, or want nothing to do with it....typical!
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iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
Going from a protestant pastor to catholicism, is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
I am neither. I am a member of the Body of Christ, 1 Corinthians 12:27
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist --So protestants and catholics are not part of the body of Christ?
WayOfTheMaster454 1 month ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 Do you see anything in relation to protestants and catholics, or any other church, except for one, in the following verse?
1 Corinthians 12:27 (KJV) Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Once you believe and trust Christ for what He done on your behalf, you are saved and become a member of the "church the body of Christ".
What you believe and trust in, is what i gave you about 5 comments down..."by which also ye are saved", 1 Cor, 15:2.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist --Im not understanding your question; could you re-word it? Sorry!!
WayOfTheMaster454 1 month ago
@baldonebear Do you know what the Gospel is? God's "Good News" for us today, in this the dispensation of God's Grace, Ephesians 3:2.
The Catholic church preaches "another gospel", Galatians 1:8,9
Most believe Christ came to bring peace, but nay, rather division, Luke 12:51-53, "the father shall be divided against the son..."
My parents follow, you blind leaders of the blind, Matthew 15:14
Call no man your father...Matt 23:9
But woe onto you..Matt 23:13-39
My parents are lost, they won't listen.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 1
Thank you for the answers.
Please allow me to comment on the content of your post.
1. Yes, I know very well what the Gospel of Christ is, as I read it a live it daily. As a former Evangelical pastor, the focus of the Gospel and Christ in the CC is one of the items that drew to her.
2. Dispensationalism in an invention of the 1800's; not part of historic Christianity, though I do agree that we are under Grace, not the Law.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 2
3. If you are going to refer to a scripture, do so in context. In Galatians 1 when Paul speaks of "another gospel". he is addressing the teaching of the Judaizers who taught that certain aspects of the OT Law must be followed along with serving Christ.
Thus, his letter teaches on the grace (Gk charis) which means favor or acceptance through the blood of Christ, as opposed to the Law.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 3
4. Jesus saying that he came to bring division has 2 applications:
A) It applied to jews who would accept Him, thus causing divisions.
B) It applies to Christians vs unbelievers.
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 4
5. Call no man father.
This has zero application to a priest with this title. Jesus is speaking about a very real issue within Judaism, mainly, the cult of personality that many leaders had.
If we take your view:
He says to call no one Rabbi/teacher. If you call someone "Dr." you violate this. He says call no one "master". If you address some one as Mr, Mrs, etc, you violate this this. You also violate it you call your biological father "father"
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 5
IYou believe that you have the truth, thus, your parents should listen to you. Does that make them lost?
As Catholic Christians, we do not blindly follow anyone. You have another use of scripture out of place. This, and you other applications are a prime example of forcing a round peg into a square hole.
What brand of Protestantism do you follow? Their are thousands with doctrinal variance. Who has the truth and how do you know, as all claim truth?
baldonebear 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
Part 6
Please excuse my typos. I type very fast, and do not always check my posts before hitting "post"
baldonebear 1 month ago
369 people are Catholic hating heretics.
1 John 4: 20
"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
HolyVegeta 1 month ago
When it comes to God and the bible, my parents, will listen to and trust, their priest, before they will ever listen to me...there son.
iTrustedChrist 1 month ago
@iTrustedChrist
That is ambiguous. In what context? Please give an example.
baldonebear 1 month ago
is this a joke?
ufozmankato 1 month ago
They get this all from the Bible especially from Ezekiel 23 and once you read that passage you will be convinced that the 'Bible' is NOT the Word of God its MAN-MADE :)
The Bible is a violent and filthy book talking about gays, incest, pornography etc only fools will believe in such things and attribute these things to or from the almighty.
ExtremeEnergyForce 1 month ago
Matthew 7:6
1200sbeemer 1 month ago
anybody know what catholic means? it comes from the latin word catholicus and the greek word katholikos both meaning universal.
Jakeisaawesomedude 1 month ago
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The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Jeremiah 17:9
Men who listen to the "ear of their heart" will surely be deceived. The only way to be saved is by coming directly to Jesus Christ. Not through any man or ritual, but truly accepting the gift he gives us freely. The price has already been paid for us. Praise Jesus, he gives us eternal life freely.
jestuts7 1 month ago
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jestuts7 1 month ago
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Dionysian worship is what the Catholic Church was orginally about. The purple robe, stick with a pine cone on top, the Kantharos, or wine goblet, the bells during mass, the red wine, and of course let's not forget sexual acts. It's all part of the Dionysian cult that flourished during the middle ages. The Vatican wants everyone to believe this was a cult during Roman times, but it's false! This worship took place in the middle ages all over Europe, until the Inquistion! It's still going on!
SilenceDoGood25 2 months ago
The priesthood of romanisim is a direct contradiction to Bible docterin where it says to avoid those who forbid to marry. in the old testment it says not to pray to the queen of heaven, the pagans were doing that long befor the catholics. what does that make them, but pagans who pray to idols that look similar to the pagan idols of old. the queen of heaven in the case of romanism just wears more cloths, but Mary would be horrified if she came back and saw what has evolved over the centuries.
sarashitzu 2 months ago
@sarashitzu But Mary has been coming back so many times sent by God to remind us to repent and turn back to God. Google search the Apparitions of the Blessed Mother Mary.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity How do you know those apparitions are sent by God??? have no proof...sorry but do some research.... God Bless
Sentimientodeuntigre 2 months ago
@Sentimientodeuntigre
Because:
1. She said so.
2. Her message is not against the Sacred Scripture.
3. Her message is not against the Sacred Tradition.
4. Her message is not againts the Magisterium.
For3nity 2 months ago
@sarashitzu --The Catholic Church is the true church established by Jesus himself.
PublicChristianity99 2 months ago