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  • The biggest triumph of Angel was that I begrudgingly ended up watching it after hating Angel, Wesley, and Cordelia on Buffy (well, I liked Cordy ok) and ended up loving them and missing them more than anyone on Buffy. The character assassination of everyone(except Giles and Anya) on Buffy in the last 2 seasons was just so...effective that I dont really like them anymore.

  • I think Eliza Dishue could would have made a much better Rouge than Anna Packwin.

  • you are an idiot

    

  • Angel is as dull as a table lamp

  • I disagree with you completely when you say that Oz and Willow could have their own shows. They are good support characters but no way could they carry their own seperate shows.

    I agree that Angel is a better show.

  • I actually love both shows, to be honest. My last comment was out of annoyance.

    That being said, I do feel like you are a moron. Someone who dies for her fake sister and the world as well as works at a crappy fast food restaurant after she was torn out of heaven to take care of her fake sister and sustain guardianship over her is self-obsessed and a bitch? I'm sorry, but you sound like a child and clearly have never met someone who was actually self-obsessed and a bitch.

  • Angel is dull and unoriginal (the show and the character).

  • @jrcarter98 The major difference is that all of those insistences were part of ongoing character arcs. Buffy just became an unlikable bitch and stayed that way.

    She stood up for Tara because of here requirement as protagonist. But it's really contrary to her character at that point who was so self obsessed she wouldn't have cared. Except perhaps that Willow being said would have been an annoyance to her and so she did it to avoid said annoyance

  • @blowshimselfupdude So when she said "were family', and literally said to tara's father he would have to go through her to get to tara, that was selfish reasoning?

  • @blowshimselfupdude You are wrong about Buffy as a character. Being caring and loving is key component of her character. The only reason why she is a Slayer is because she care about people around her. That's what I like about her: she don't want to be a Slayer, she don't want to be a hero, but she is doing this anyway because being a Slayer is only way to protect people she loves. She sacrifice herself twice to protect humanity, took a bullet for Xander,and constantly risk her life for others.

  • Buffy all the way!

  • you clearly have headed into this with bias, having watched angel first, i watched all in the right order, and buffy is better, willow and spike in there long run ensured buffy as the better show, but both are amazing! also you said glory wasnt a good villian omg better than all the villians on angel! however i will say the darla angel arc was quality! the addition of spike in s5 was a master stroke! but btvs is obvs superior!

  • @seven7ofnine By that logic I could say your bias because you watched buffy first.Buffy's first season is iffy and after season 4 Buffy gets bad (the show and the character herself becomes intolerable relying solely on her supporting cast to make the show watchable) while all of Angel is fantastic.

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  • @blowshimselfupdude i watched it in correct order, wtf, So after season 4 i watched angel b4 buffy lol...also not bein funny but buffy season 2, 3, and 6 are better than all angel seasons..... fact! also angel is no wear near as complete a character or no were near as funny and no wear near as likeable than spike....FACT !

  • @seven7ofnine I literally cant agree with a single thing you said. did you even watch the show?

  • ok i agree with some of the stuff you said but some other stuff you said was like what the fuck how could you think that but yeah its your opinon

  • i hated riley he was a fuckin jerk and i just didnt like him. my favorite of boyfriend for buffy was spike he was just funny, riley was to serious for me.

  • Faith or Spike would make a great spin off show!

  • should i watch angel?? i love Buffy but for some reason i think it would be boring, i didnt really liked Angel on BTVS. Is it worth it??

  • BUFFY ALL THE WAY!

  • Angel is the best show

  • you completely lost me when you said that season 5 was your least favorite. it's the best season of the show (together with season 2), imo. and of course, The Gift is the best hour of television ever made!

  • Angel is way better than Buffy, and when spike came on the show in season 5, shit was the greatest thing on earth, even spike himself aid he enjoyed being on Angel more than he ever was on Buffy

  • @SMGTheBest I prefer angel

  • I agree with pretty much everything you said. Buffy season 5 was the worst, and I think the worst thing they could have done was bring in Dawn. And I agree, I thought season four was pretty enjoyable too. Not for story reasons, but just because its so light hearted compared to the other seasons and it has some of my favorite episodes; something blue, superstar and restless. Most of the buffy series has some pretty dark story lines, but season 4 was a nice break from the too dark story plots.

  • s2+3 of buffy are hands down the best seasons on tv(opinion). it was the first show that made me anticipate the nxt episode. without B i would not be a tv fan, supernatural, qaf, angel, lost, heroes etc, i owe evrything to buffy. it was my generation and it was super cool to be a girl thanks to the slayer. but afta s2+3 preferred angel (expt musical ep in s6, and finale's of s5+7 of Buffy wer incredible). buffy will always be on top even after preferring angel. without buffy there is no angel!!

  • faith should of had her own show but elisha dusku had to go an do true calling

  • I think season 2 was a very dark season.

  • I hate Spike post s4.

  • @nightwing9 Please tell me why?

  • @treckter66 The whole Buffy thing...he had a redemption arc in s5...which a soulless being can't have. He lost his edge..and when he got the soul his personality didn't change...kinda scary...plus the Robin thing...bleh.

  • @nightwing9 when you become a vampire, the demon takes on aspects of your personality. when spike became a vampire, the demon took on his abiliy to love and his sense of honour. his humanity never really died when he came a vampire as opposed to angelus.

  • I FUCKING LOVE SEASON ONE!!! ALL SEASONS ARE FUCKING FANTASTIC!!! :P i think maybe watching angel first is the reason you cant engage with buffy all to well. she is the best character EVER! i appreciate your opinions as your own and that is why i'm listening lol. i agree with you on the season 5 best finally... season 5 was the BEST!!

  • @SashaRicky Buffy could be a bitch, but then so could angel. I prefered his character though

  • I love both shows.. they both made me laugh, cry & angry. I don't really hate a episode.. maybe a few I dislike from BOTH shows. Am I stupid that I can't choose between them? I love all the characters. Yes Dawn was annoying but Connor was for me too. So that's the only thing I didn't liked.

    Both shows are AWESOME, I also love how the stories crossed over in each other. So, but that's my opinion.

  • Seasons 2 and 3 of Buffy were my favorite. After that I prefer Angel...simply because it has Angel =D. I adore the Angel cast so much more than the Buffy cast.

  • having studied it, Buffy was groundbreaking in the material it delivered and issues they dealt with, subverting genre, gender etc. etc. That's why it's hugely popular with academics to look into

  • long live buffy and angel but angel season 5 was th best season out of both shortly followed by buffy season 7

  • I think that season 5 had a lot of funny monents actually most of them contributing to anya who became part of the main cast.

  • Season 5 of buffy is far better than season 2 of angel. Buffy was trying to stop an evil hellgod and saved the world by sacrificing herself while angel was going out of his way just to make wolfram and hart look stupid

  • @treckter66 Sounds cool how you wrote it. Problem being that all of buffy season 5 until the last ep is the most painful that show ever was with every scene featuring buffy feeling like nails on chalkboard. And every scene with Dawn feels like Freddy's glove on chalkboard. It is easily the worst thing ever put out by Whedon.

  • @blowshimselfupdude how is season 5 the worst thing put out by whedon?. sure dawn is a whiner but it has a better villain than season 4 and it shows that buffy's responsibilities are beginning to overwhelm her, how would you expect her to react? and how is season 2 of angel better than season 5 of buffy.

  • @treckter66 Better villian? Its the most annoying and boring villian out of ether show.

    I'd like her not to be a bitch to her friends.

    Because it's actually enjoyable.

  • @blowshimselfupdude Name some villains in angel you thought were better than glory and how is buffy being a bitch to her friends? she stuck up for tara when her family wanted to take her away and she didn't even know her that well. and while you're at it, give me strong female characters that you think are fun, enjoyable or interesting

  • @treckter66 I liked buffy 5, but angel 2 was better.

  • @treckter66 it's better because it illustrates what a conflicted character Angel is, no-one understands his sense of justice, his lust to help people, Wes and Cordelia had no awareness on WHY angel wanted to aid Darla, nor did she understand why Angel raved about a soul.

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer is the better show, but not season5, and angel's last season....fucking rocked it!

  • finallly someone who hates riley like me since he acts like a dick to everyone and always has his man period

  • I think both shows are amazing! But, Buffy is definitely the better show, hands down. And what's wrong w/ you? Buffy is an amazing character! Even Angel is better in Buffy than in his own show!

    Oh come on, Buffy's characters made Angel so much better. Such as Willow, Drusilla, Faith's appearance in Season 1 & 4, and Buffy in "I Will Remember You" was amazing.

    You think Dawn and Riley are bad?

    Connor is even worse! So is Cordelia's plot in Season 4. That was hardly watchable. Jasmine? wtf!

  • @axelleos2000 i totally agree! we got to see alot more Angelus in Buffy than on his own show! that's pretty sad...how many eps did we see Angel be Angelus? 4 in the 4th season...and on top of that...who is the ONLY person that can turn him good again? Willow! Angel's crew was whack when that happened so there's a reason why Angel was nothin more than a spinoff

  • @buffynerd19 Haha definitely.  Buffy > Angel.

  • @axelleos2000 exactly...maybe that's why i can't seem to watch Angel all the way through cuz it's not really story driven like Buffy was...and u were on point when u said that Buffy characters on Angel did give it a substance

  • @axelleos2000 you are awesome, if you made a buffy vs angel vid, i would take it over this tripe anyday

  • @treckter66 Haha thanks! :D You know what? I'm actually thinking about making a video response now! haha but I don't know for sure yet.. haha

  • @axelleos2000 i'm glad i gave you the idea.

  • @axelleos2000 yes the creppy stalker angel is much better then the champion angel

  • who is Riley?

  • @TheKidd1124 Riley is buffy's boyfriend throughout most of season 4 and for the first half of season 5

  • i challenge you to name the reasons you think buffy is absolutely unlikable after season 5

  • you haven't responded in a while blowhimselfupdude. cat got your tongue

  • have you seen nightmares, innocence or amends, because buffy is amazing in those episodes.

  • Do you know who was ranked number 13 in bravo's top 100 tv characters of all time?. here's a hint, it wasn't angel

  • @treckter66 You knwo it's funny I've talked ot alot of people who can articulate why Angel is far superior. But everyone I've spoken to that likes Buffy more can't actually tell me whyy jsu t"EEEEHHHH BUFFFY IS BETER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! YOUR STUPID WAAAAAA"

  • @blowshimselfupdude Because angel doesn't have a musical episode thats why

  • @treckter66 No it has a puppet episode. Which is even better.

  • @blowshimselfupdude the puppet episode was brilliant i admit but come on, puppets can't beat musicals and besides more people recognize the musical episode of buffy more than the puppet episode of angel.

  • @blowshimselfupdude by the way, buffy is A, a strong female character as only joss whedon can create and B, not the unlikable,immature bitch that you try to paint her up to be.

  • @blowshimselfupdude oh and hears another reason, buffy has better villains. one mayor makes a dozen wolfram and harts.

  • @blowshimselfupdude LOL. I think it's way better, but I can't really think of all the reasons, though it has lots of em.

  • I don't know who you're talking about in that video when you're describing buffy but it's sure as hell aint buffy

  • hmm...idk i just think that their togetherness is sexi! :))

  • All the seasons of Buffy were the best in the world! I love both Angel and Buffy, but Buffy was so much better. Angel just wasn't very interesting. I mean, Buffy KICKS ASS better than Angel. I may need to make my own Buffy vs Angel.

  • @Brandonlovesmusic If you did, i would definately take it over this crapfest

  • @treckter66 Thank you, lol. BUFFY ROCKS. I need a camcorder!!!!! Then I'd make awesome Buffy vids (depending on quality when uploaded)

  • @Brandonlovesmusic This is someone's personal opinion.

  • Buffy's way better than Angel you People who disagree SUCK!

  • i agree Angel's boring

  • @SMGFAN15 Amen to that

  • @SMGFAN15 I fucking agree!!! :D we are totally on the same wave length ;) ;) hahaha

  • angel was way better then buffy

    she would never shut up she was always saying something when she was fighting and it was stupid the things she says holy shit i need to get a life

  • Angel was better to me and his hot.

  • I also think Angel is the better show.

  • Somebody on Spill said that the first 2 seasons of Buffy are the prologue,seasons 3-5 are the meat of the story,and season 6 and 7 are the epilogue.

  • yeah but the also said that buffy was better than angel

  • Which one do you think is better?

  • angel, buffy is boring to me and doesn't have a great supporting cast though i haven't buffy yet so it my opinion may change.

  • I started with Buffy and still didn't like Buffy and Angel's relationship.

  • I like both but I can't say I really like Angel because I am only on season 4 but Its ok but because I didn't finish Angel I have to go with Buffy oh by the way Dawn is a little sister there are suppose to be the most annoying thing on the planet

  • I love Angel from season 1-3 and 5. Season 4 is crap, horrible story arc imo, if they wanted to kill off Cordelia and Connor's characters they could have done something much better. Love season 5 but probably wouldn't love it as much without Spike. I was horrified when they killed Fred but liked the way they did it. And going back to something you said early in the vid, Lindsey, though not part of the core group, along with Angel are the only two characters to appear in the first and last epis.

  • what do i type if i wanna see the old episodes of buffy sum 1 plz help i wanna watch em and cant seem to find em anywhere

  • i probobly shuldent coment since ppl like buffy so much better but i think angel is better then buffy BUT thats onlly because i have watched signifigantly less of buffy i mean angel ive been watching every morning since its been canceled and years b4 and buffy i dont relly watch cuz its not on anymore and i dont relly remember anything from any episodes cuz i was kinda young but i have 2 say i do like both but angel i like a little better but is sad they both cancelled

  • Buffy pwns Angel any day of the week. Hell yeah. Angel is slow and boring and everyone on there except Spike is an idiot.

  • im going to say buffy because its got better back up cast i like spike giles and oz but angel is really cool he got the cool background storys but i hate gun and fred and wesley turned shit from season 3 onwards :)

  • Angel was a good show but it got to weird! And i was getting tired of angel going good then bad good then bad :/

  • xanders kewl anya was only kewl when they were together otherwise annoying, tara and willow were awesome, oz shoulda stayed on the show, giles was kewl 2. gunn was good as the street thug in s1 angel, wesley became more depressed than his boss i didnt like that, doyle should have stayed and cordelia shudve died in s1... oh and connor was a BIG mistake angel should have used a condom

  • i hated riley too but i think i hated it because the first episode of buffy i ever watched was the one where he got on the plane and left

  • Buffy is way better :)

    finished Chosen just epic 10/10 :)

  • This was actually the first video of yours I watched lol

  • altho i like both shows, i find angel 2 b boring at timez and it makes me wanna watch buffy and im a guy! lol so i even started season 5 of angel but idk if i can finish it witout gettin bored...but atleast its better than wuts on tv now...but 4 tha record, i like buffy more!

  • I've been a Buffy fan ever since the movie (yeah lame i know) and when Angel came out I wasn't that interested in the show, i remained "loyal" to Buffy, I watched Angel too but it was the same for me watching it or not. Recently i bought the whole Angel series, and realized i should had given it a chance. It's a great show too, and honestly i can't say Buffy is better or Angel is better, both are unique in their own way.

  • I agree 1 hundred percent with you. I have all seasons on dvd of Buffy and Angel. I remember when i was a kid and me and my sister both saw Buffy on tv and it was the pilot of Buffy. I was hooked after watching that episode.

  • yea i agree. nothing against buffy,but she always thought she was so superior 2 everyone else...and she was kind of whiny. angel was interesting,and funny in his own way,and hardly ever pissed me off as much as buffy had. now i do agree that buffy has some of the better supporting cast,but over on angel i absolutely adore cordelia.and i adored doyle lol. but even though i stil love both shows,i would say angel is better also.

  • you really thought about this huh :l

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  • I agree with Norb0x about watching Angel 1st. you ruined the love story with that and first 3 seasons of Buffy.

    oh and if there wasn't for Buffy, Angel would probably be still hiding somewhere and eating rats.

    enjoyably dark? okey, Buffy is a human with feelings and Angel is a vampire with no feelings [when he's bad]. get it? . Angel was scary [insane scary] but it's what you expect of a vampire.

    season1->well I kinda agree

    season4->agree 4 Riley

  • I personally believe you ruined your experience by starting with Angel first.

  • i started with angel first.not that i meant to lol. im actually glad i did.i gues i c ur point,but starting with angel first allowed me 2 c him in his own light,and that he could stand on his own without buffy.and it allowed me to just adore the cordelia character,cuz i couldnt get angry with her on buffy if she ever said something rude,cuz i knew how much she grew and just how funny and original she was. and i was never really a bangel fan,i was more of a cangel shipper :)

  • i think buffy pulls off dark well, season 7 was the best.

  • Wow, for what every reason, this one took a long time to load.

    Yeah, i hated Dawn. But i too understood the need for her character.

    I think Season 3 was my favorite, probably followed close by season 6 or season 2. I loved that whole "She went to heaven" angle that was played. I thought that was epic.

  • Thanks so much for this awesome review!! Funny how i never was really interested with this drama when i was in elementary/high school, but now that I am in U i finally decide to watch this drama and Im hooked! Its a great series, but there are things which I didn't like about this drama too. I agree with you Buffy can be a bitch sometimes, espeically her taste in man (Parker and RILEY the worst of the worst).

    I will come back and post my comments after i am done with the whole show!:)

  • season 5 is way better than season 6 by a long shot......this was a waste of my time....lucky i was bored

  • i love season 6 too. sorry i am postin so many times, but i am posting while ai listen

  • It's not a problem.

  • i have to agree with your "Buffy is a bit of a bitch" she does annoy me. I loved the other characters though, dawn aside(only season 5)

  • I have to agree. I don't like Dawn or Buff. But I like Oz, Terra, Xander, Giles, Willow.

  • FUCK U!!!! first of all buffy is the best show of all times and season 5 with glory was the best. so please GET SHUT UP!!!!

  • THAT'S HOW YOU VALUE OPINIONS!

  • i didn't like season 5 all that much actually.....

  • Yeah.

  • you didn't like season 5 OMG !!!! season 5 bloody amazing

  • i agree with u :)

  • What the FUCK is your PROBLEM??! PPL have different tastes. The reviewer here doesn't like Season 5 so what??!! Are you saying that everyone should like every buffy season?? Get a grip of yourself will you??!! At least the reviewer is complimenting a lot of the stuff in buffy.

  • actually i wasn't asking for ur opinion and if u had thought twice before u act u could have seen that i only gave MY opinion lyk the auther asked to and it wasn't disturbing other ppl so please CLOSE IT!!!

  • I thought season % was slow moving and strayed too far from the whole"little blonde girl in the alley kicks but" mantra that the show was suppossed too be about. It was taking a stab at growing Buffy up, but I think she just got depressed.

  • You really don't have a life do you????

  • I do actually.

  • buffy is the best i think

  • Buffy, but I love them both, =)

  • buffy is way better than angel, script and acting wise

  • i agree with u :)

  • What was the Metaphor with Riley in Season 5?

  • What do you mean?

  • You said in this video that in Buffy Season 5

    there is a Stupid Metaphor with Riley

  • Oh yeah the cheating metaphor. Which is him going and getting sucked on by vampires. It was both stupid and out of character.

  • oh yeah lame

  • that was soooo stupid

  • You don't like Season One of Buffy

    The Master was her Greatest Villain

  • I thought the budget was abysmal and it jus tlooks terrible. Also most of the actors haven't found their stried yet.

  • I agree. The master looked like a ridiculous cartoon character

  • I bought all of the Buffy Seasons when I was a Kid but I wish I would have spent my money on the Angel seasons instead

  • Have you seen it?

  • Have I seen what?

    Angel Of Course its like my favorite TV series

    ever made I stopped watching those Hour long mini-movie WB shows after Angel was Canceled

  • Oh ok. Just the way you said it sounded like you had only seen Buffy.

    Yeah Angel rocks.

  • i completely agree with you about Dawn and Riley - deeply dislike them both! My fave season's also 3, just for Faith, the Mayor and that episode 'Wish' with vamp Willow and Xander.

  • Yeah that was a good episode.

    Dawn got tollerable in season 7 but Riley was just a horrible character.

  • I think Dawn was written too young. I found myself thinking she seemed more like a 10 or 12 year old.

  • She was originally written with her as younger so it makes sence.

  • After season four? You hated it? Shows what you know, they had great episodes. I'm a huge Buffy and know more about the show then most people. Season seven had amazing episodes.

  • i agree that season 7 had very good episodes. Him is one of the funniest episodes, and I loved Selfless.

  • naahhhh, Season 2, was the best! When Angel turned evil, it was the best part of the show!

  • It was a good season and i nevwer said it wasn't,

  • I'm a huge Buffy fan and know a lot about the show. Here's a test. How many times did Buffy die? And everything counts. I know the answer do you?

  • Twice? When the master killed her, and then when she sacrificed herself to defeat glory! I don't know I could be wrong! It's been a while since I saw the show! Here's a realitvely obscure question, why did Angelus, Spike and Drusilla abandon the factory? Why did they move into that castle?

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  • 4 times.

    1st in prophecy girl

    2nd in the wish

    3rd in the gift

    4th in villians

  • Ah wait, i remember the 5th, it was... actually the first, in nightmires when she became a vamp she was "dead" after all

  • I'm right, she died 5 times. I explain the episodes.

  • Actually it's 5 times.

  • she died 5 times. I said everything counted. She died five times.

    In season one this little boy had a dream and the dreams were real and Buffy was a vampire. A vampire means? Dead, living dead, but still dead.

    Also, in season one the First left her for dead in water and she drowned. In season 3 Cordelia made a wish and it came true. The episode was called the wish. The first broke her neck.

    .

  • not the first the master

  • Master or the first. He was the first vampire.

  • it's just that by saying the First, it relates to the First evil: the big villain in season 7, and in "Amends" (3x10).

    Are you sure the Master is the 1st vampire??

  • yes he was the first vampire.

  • Then later on she jumped to save the world and she died that was season 5. Later on she was shot and was dead on the table till willow came in and took the bullets out of her and that was season six.

    Damn i'm good.

  • 5 times? WOW! Didn't know that! Well actually the burning of the factory was in season 2 not 3! Ok, I got another old one for you, how or when did Buffy realize that Angel was evil?

  • angel is better than buffy

  • this is pointless dude..there actors and it is all written...your talking like thats the way the really are..there dark and all that shit....you need a life m8..ciao

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