I wanted to create my own channel like this, but there is no way that i could ever out match the fluidness on how you say things, not to mention everything you say is just brilliant.
Surely We will test you with a bit of fear and hunger, and loss in wealth and lives and fruits, and give good tidings to the patient (155) Who, when a suffering visits them, say: “We certainly belong to Allah, and to Him we are bound to return.” 77 (156) Those are the ones upon whom there are blessings from their Lord, and mercy as well; and those are the ones who are on the right path.(2:155-156)
No calamity befalls (one), but with the leave of Allah. And whoever believes in Allah, He guides his heart. Allah is All-Knowing about every thing. (11)
Your riches and your children are but a trial. As for Allah, with Him is a great reward. (64:15)
Alif , Lam , Mim . 1 (1) Do people think that they will be left (at ease) only on their saying, “We believe” and will not be put to any test? (2) Indeed We have tested those who were before them. So Allah will surely know the ones who are truthful, and He will surely know the liars. (3) Or do those who commit evils think that they will outstrip Us? Evil is what they predicate.
Hell is a petty THREAT that carries no weight. The concept of Hell is a plagiarism of Greco-Roman mythical Hades/Tartarus, Nordic Hel & Hindu Naraka, as the NT notion of Hell never existed in the OT; only Sheol which is simply "The Grave." Gehenna (from Ge Hinnon meaning Valley of Hinnom) is not described as Hell, but rather a literal valley in Jerusalem for burning rubbish. Jews do NOT believe in Hell. Hell is simply a fear tool for recruiting.
If it were true that God has done everything in his power to keep people from Hell, then people wouldn't go to hell. Simple as that. He is supposedly the most powerful and intelligent being Amen. Since people do go to Hell according to the Bible then he has not done everything in his power. Makes sense.
No matter how much logic u toss at believers, They'll cower away in dogma and throw that in ur face. When you try to defy the logic of dogma you get tossed the idea in your face that once you believe, you will understand and that all of this...is just a challenge by god. (for example, the creation of lucifer, eventhough god knows, he gave humans free wil and they sided with him in the garden of eve....bla bla bla now u have a challenge and are saved by jezus bla bla bla repent and convert
If god were to actually reveal itself, it would not effect free will and I have an example to prove this.
There is a mountain of evidence that evolution is true yet there are thousands of christians who refuse to acknowledge it and thus choose to believe that evolution is not true.
But then again christians are great at ignoring contradictions.
He brings up a great point. Funny how the Bible is replete with examples of god actually interacting with humanity. He performs feats of supernatural prowess, makes appearances destroys cities and even sent himself (Jesus) to walk amongst men and perform miracles supposedly witnessed by many.
But just like that, its over. No more appearances, no miracles, no nothing.
So called GOD is mankind's bullshit to form another fictional way of trying to answer things that they know nothing about.... All Religion is either another form of control, by so called spiritual organizations like MORMONS < CATHOLICS< MUSLIMS And other bs group
I rather live a happy life, filled with friends and be an ATHEIST and die snuggled with a hot girl and my pet cat :P
The christian god started interfering with humans' free will with Adam and Eve. According to the Bible, god drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden specifically to keep them from eating of the Tree of Life. He denied them that choice thereby interfering with their free will.
In the OT, the christian god ordered the slaughter of innocent men, women, and boys. (It was okay to keep young female virgins.) Whatever free will they had was annihilated by the christian god.
Isnt it true that god didnt do everything in his power? Ok from a bible based Christian this is the most simple question to answer he gave his only son for us. From a christian i would love to debate what your saying but you didnt back anything up with scpiture.There was alot there so only answered your last question. People love talking down about god of the bible yet not back anything they say up with the bible. Great peek a boo video also enjoyed both.
All god would have to do (or have done) is impart the ability to know when something is (emphasis on *is*) false. All-powerful, right? That wouldn't necessarily make us more intelligent. That wouldn't necessarily directly improve our ability to understand, reason or recall. That wouldn't let us predict the future, though it should allow us to better predict outcomes, being less prone to misinformation. Science would accelerate. Religious claims would stand or fall on their own veritas.
In answer to your "isn't it true" questions, the answer is a resounding YES! I started asking myself these kind of questions when I was a Christian and in answering these questions sincerely, I found that it led to my abandoning all that I'd ever believed to be true. Any honest hearted person, no matter how entrenched they may be in their religion, has to face up to these questions and admit that the answers to them will lead them to re-evaluate their beliefs.
I am curious to know if you have studied Astrology, the cross of the zodiac or Egyptian culture for which Christianity came from?
I am amazed how it all fits together. Did you know that the 10 commandments was taken from the Egyptian “Book of the dead” chapter 125?
If Christians are praying to “Jesus” then why would you end your prayers with “Amen” instead of Jesus? They are so ignorant, they don’t even know they are praying to the Egyptian god "Amen" or "Amen-Ra"
In Egypitan culture you have.Amen Amun Amen-Ra - King of the gods and Triad of Thebes
Amun -Father of life
RA- The Son god
Amen
attributes -"hidden" which is given to his name, we must conclude that he was the personification of the hidden and unknown creative power which was associated with the primeval abyss, gods in the creation of the world, and all that is in it. The root amen, means "what is hidden," "what cannot be seen,"
@1NWOMD [amen] is one of the few words of scripture which is written in it's original Hebrew form. In fact, it is practically a universal word, having been adopted directly from the Hebrew into Greek, Latin, English, Spanish, & many other languages. Found both in the Old and the New Testaments, it is also translated in different ways, depending upon the context of the passage in which it is found. continued to 2
This Hebrew Amen is derived from the root [aman], which means to be firm or solid in the sense of permanency. Thus by implication, it means to be sure, true or faithful. So whenever we see this word Amen used in scripture, it's affirming truth, or illustrating something is said that is of absolute certainty.
@dymchurch1 I agree, male and straight too. But it's cool having handsome atheists, adds more points to the movement. I'm pretty handsome myself. So, go atheists!! we get all the bootay!
I've already said I don't believe in hell as you do for Lk 12:5 is explained by Matt 10:28. Self knowledge is all that is required for Ps 51:17 so why can't the Christian God be the God of all with a way for them to offer the acceptable sacrifice (Ps 51:17) whether or not they know that the sacrifice of animals is showing a belief that the "seed of a woman will bruise the serpent" or that Jesus' blood has power? Isn't it true that Jesus would be the fulfillment of a sacrificial system?
Could you say that if God wanted the best for us, he'd never have created us? Cause there's a lot of pain in living and to just not live would be much better.
If God determined the laws of the universe, couldn't he arrange it so that everyone could be guaranteed to heaven without screwing with free will? Of course that's ridiculous with our laws, but for a being with the ability to skew the foundations of reality...
@lilmunch64 Most Christians believe that they would have free will in Heaven, so apparently god could have done just that. I guess "he" didn't want to.
Freewill is a myth; that god doesn't want to interfear on mankinds freewill is a lie. its eather that or he never had a devine plan, because regardliess weather you think you have freewill, your still going to do whatever he had plan for you in your life. His devine plan is a conraditions to man have freewill.
show himself already, because weather we except him or not then doesn't matter because his devine plan still will contine on going. or we all accept him then is plan for us is shot
The concept of free will is incompatible with an omniscient god. If he knows precisely everything we are ever going to do, then that means in some sense the future is set, and the idea that we have a choice in the actions we take is only an illusion.
And if God really does exist and is omniscient, he knew before he even created me that my soul was destined for hell. Why would he create souls that are predestined to go to hell?
Answer this question. If God is omniscient, and therefore knows exactly everything I am going to do before I do it, then are my actions not predistined?
You are talking about completely different things. You are predicting what your mom will do based on your experience with what she has done in the past.
Supposedly, God knows every detail of everything we are ever going to do, and everything everyone is ever going to do, even before they are born, because he sees beyond time. It is not a prediction based on experience of past events, it's just knowledge of all things that will ever transpire.
"just beacause he knows what your going to do doesnt mean you do it" that entire sentence contradicts itself. If he knows what you are going to do that implies you will do it or he wouldn't know what you're going to do.
The argument is god (if he were to exist) designed our instincts and motivations while knowing what actions those instincts and motivations would result in. Therefore isn't he responsible for what those actions are?
UNDERSTAND GOD AND THE BIG PICTURE: He is a "no contest" to your ojbections to him. He has required that everyone die once. After your death it will be decided if you should get eternal life or not. It's personal. Whether God wants your company for eternity or not. Certain people or angels will not love him unconditionally and so he doesn't bring those back. They have a temporary life and that's it. Those who love him get eternal life and everybody is ecstatic. Love is not forced.
I disagree! I say love is forced...or the attempt is to force love and your blind if you can't see that. It doesn't take to reading much scripture to get to the crux of it!
Jesus says love me...or else! Has your parents ever gave U such an ultimatum?? "Love us or we'll lock U in the basement & torture U day & night with a butane torch!"
I sure hope not & any parent figure, if they loved us, would never wish to do us harm, regardless of our failings. To threaten us with Hell is evil!
The love is not "forced" it is TRICKED. It's like a test where you are tested but don't know you're being watched or tested. It's you passing by a homeless person whom you don't know is an angel. It's your personal choices when you're not looking. You are given time to make lots of personal choices then you find out later how those choices get you life or death.
But not to worry. 1,440,000 judges will decide if given your misconceptions you'd be a wonderful asset for eternity.
"But not to worry. 1,440,000 judges will decide if given your misconceptions you'd be a wonderful asset for eternity."
I like that! Never heard that 1 before.
But isn't isn't all of that a terrible waste of time? I mean, god already knows every aspect of our natures (he made us), he knows every thought we R going to have, every move we make. Why go thru all the BS? Pointless, senseless!
If an angel pretends to be a homeless person, where does he hide his wings? :-)
God chooses those who choose him. That means some who hear about God killing lots of people figure he had good reason.Others, like you, presume these people were innocent and God is cruel, so you don't like God and reject him. God likes the former type of person to be chosen for eternity. So technically, even though you have not chosen God,on some level you don't qualify for eternal life anyway, because of your own choice which reflects the inner U. U are exposed to the same things Xians are.
I think U may B overlooking some things. Supposedly, god created us just as we R. He knows our weaknesses. In fact, he knows who he is sending 2 hell eons B 4 he created us, right? So Y blame me 4 the choices Im making which R influences by the way he made me?
If your explanation is true, then I can only see this god as cruel beyond imagination.
He creates us just 2 fuck with us while blackmailing us with eternal torture??
What's amazing is how easily Xians accept this insanity!!
No. I think God compensated for those he knew would want more freedom than is possible in a world of equality. I can see where you are coming from but it is a given: God is wonderful and nice to those he likes and he does trip up those he doesn't, so....
Think about this. Say if 4 billion people pass Judgment Day. If you lived with each person 1 year to get to know them and had a year off, it would take 8 billion years to finally know every person on the planet!
@kittenjerk123 It seems like the christian has to say that we have the free will to be smart enough to figure out that the God of the Bible exists or that God makes it look as if there are legitamate cultural, physical and biological reasons people believe or do not believe in things even though it really is mostly free will. Because even if you say those who haven't heard of Christianity could be saved but no atheist can be you still aren't close to answering the problem.
You are very intuitive! The BIG PICTURE is that to get rid of Satan God had to kill everybody. Basically, the angels volunteered to die, including Jesus Christ, so Satan could be put to death without partiality. But God then brings back his favorites or chosen ones.
HAPPINESS is greater when it is chosen out of free will. To do that you have to allow for a percentage of rejects. So this process was produces a higher quality of life when "choice" is included. So it was worth it.
What U have to worry about is Judgment Day when you will be compared to all the Christians who seem to get it, love God and try to be good Christians or good muslims or just good people.
Also HELL is a false doctrine. God puts people to death. There is no eternal torment. That is a conceptual issue, not literal.
If there is a judgment day, I'll be happy 2 tell god that I made my decision 2 not believe bcuz I used the brain he gave me & found no evidence 4 believing in him...certainly its not in the bible!!
Which do U think a "just" god would appreciate more; "dishonest belief" or "honest disbelief?"
U know better then all other Xians what hell means?? A whole lot of other, very knowledgeable Xians would not agree with your interpretation of hell!
Basically, you have to figure if God knew there would be "collateral damage" if he gave free moral agency. But it is only temporary; after Judgment Day "free moral agency" will be unnecessary. You only need time to make a choice then its over, no more need for the devil. So you made your choice, so that's it. You'd be unhappy anyway in a paradise earth, where all are androgynous with nothing to do but get to know each other, right?
"Also HELL is a false doctrine. God puts people to death. There is no eternal torment. That is a conceptual issue, not literal."
This all sounds very interesting but the fact is, you know nothing f the things you proclaim here. U guess it's fun for some to contemplate this stuff but there's simply no way U can state any of this as fact.
Make believe...it's all fantasy!
There is no basis to take any of this stuff seriously.
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Actually, that's not true. What if I told U that when Christ sends out his angels to gather the elect that some of the angels materialize human bodies and pretend to be human? If some of those angels communicate with some of us but not with others, then some of us have direct proof of this is all real. Even so, others still would doubt and believe it is all a fantasy. So it depends on how "inside" you are with Christ's plan whether or not its FACT or fiction. U can disprove NOTHING! Trust me.
What if I told you that when Zeus sends out his avatars to gather his favorites, some of the materialize in human bodies and pretend to be human? If some of them communicate with some of us but not with others, then some of us have direct proof that Zeus is real. Even so, others will doubt and believe the Greek gods are all fantasy. So, it depends on how "inside" you are with Zeus's plan. You can disprove NOTHING about Zeus!
Well put dude...even with a bible explaining shit goes in fucking circles thats like a fucking lego set with a bunch of colors but the instructions lay out one color. i mean do u make up your own or fix it in your own pattern due to the laziness of the human mind!! Keep it up!!
Kwesi, It should be first noted that your argument from design isn't for anything more than a deistic god. It says nothing of a god with specific attributes who intervenes in our lives, hears and answers prayers, and writes books. Also, paintings are a poor analogy as a painter can be observed, and we have other paintings to place context.
Additionally, you don't know what or if anything created the living things we observe, and positing a deity out of ignorance is not logically sound.
you look at ripple in a river....you didnt see who created but somethin had...plus in are dna there is information evolution can account for the lack of evidence..of apes to humans....
I'm not going to educate you on your misconceptions about the origin of species, only ask you to learn about it rather than dismiss it as lacking evidence when you don't understand it.
Additionally, you're still making an argument for a deistic god, and nothing more. You're saying you don't understand how the universe could be formed by natural causes so a magic man must have done it, by say nothing of why this magic man must also write books and care about humans.
without experienceing God, your so called knowledge and understanding of the world will also be tremendously minute. like I said, its like trying to describe the internet to an Ant. When you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, so many things will become apparent and revealed to you. Things you just cant receive now.
That is not what your Bible teaches. It was a forbidden tree that gave man knowledge, not acceptance of Jesus Christ. Jesus' salvation is only supposed to grant forgiveness, and a hall-pass to heaven.
Additionally, what makes you think I haven't accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior? What makes you think the tenets of Christianity weren't forced onto me in a psychologically abusive way since childhood, by scaring me with the fear of eternal torture and suffering?
Really? Please enlighten us. Just provide a couple examples. I'm really curious about your claim since I was a Xian for over 50 yrs before I became an Atheist. So I'd like to delve into this a lot deeper.
That's a crock of shit, most of the atheist/agnostics have been exposed to your genie god in some form or other. Some of them are ex preachers who studied the bible at lengths.Your so called saving was a product of hysteria dilusional group think!
There is no lack in evidence anymore, not since last year, showing that man & ape have a common ancestor. We are related and that's a fact. This info was found when they mapped the Chimpanzee Genome last year.
As an Atheist, or non-believer, which I prefer, I have never said a "creator" can't exist or doesn't exist. How could I, or anyone know such a thing.
No, my position is that I don't believe the Xian version of god (yahweh/Jesus) were gods, based on Xians inability to substantiate their claims that he "does" exist. I take it further by saying that I don't believe the supernatural claims in scripture R true & I use scripture as evidence.
There is one simple thing I do not understand, and feel free to post me if I am wrong, I do not mind looking the fool. Is altering free will a rule for him or for us? Why should he have to follow that rule at all? He is supposed to be all powerfull, and basically, the ruler of...well....everything known and unknown. Why would he have to follow any rules at all? Was sending his 'son' to earth, or enlisting moses against free will? If not, why not repeat this in our time?
I have been asking these same questions every since I was a little kid. No one has ever been able to answer with anything other than I must have faith.
No no no, you've got it all wrong... We will all go to Valhalla, where we will perpetually fight and get drunk. And when we slain in battle in Valhalla, we will be resurrected by valkyries. Praise Odin the infinitely knowing. See you there, my brothers!
So I die tomorrow, I'm still saved. What's the point. Leave us alone. We're happy, we're not going around hurting others. Let us go through our lives without having the fact that we're different shoved at us. Stop preaching, it does nothing.
There's a very simple counterpoint to this whole "freewill" crap. Lucifer apparently knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Yahweh existed, and yet he doesn't seem to worship or follow him. They are so common because, and I'm quoting Expelled for this one..., "Questions that aren't properly answered, don't go away".
TB does not go far enough in his rejection of the 'Free Will Defence' - not only does the apprehension of knowledge not detract from the ability to exercise free will, as he suggests, but knowledge is *essential* to the exercise of free will, because without knowledge of the choices we cannot choose freely between them.
I think - I find it very interesting but STILL many many great and beautiful problems await investigation. Say Parking places, Fresh water supply, Global Starvation (In EU we drive cars with fuel made of corn :) How Ecological isn't it? ) and.. that's what i think. Let's think and work for out "dirty lil sinful beauty Earth and when someone argues with you for gods or shit tell him- I drive You drive-I eat You eat, I shit every mornin' and You too. Many more things in common we have than not.
Yes, I think it is true that God has not done everything in his power to keep us from going to hell, instead, it seems that God has set us up for mental torture on earth, and then physical torture in hell
Is this a loving God? What do you think of that? Anyone? Anyone????
Why should we listen to him over say Allah, or Buddha, or Vishnu, or any other god? They all have equal amounts of evidence supporting their existence. That's the entire point of this video. What god is doing is forcing us to guess. If we guess right, we get eternal life, yay! If we guess wrong, we get burned forever, oh no! That is not what a kind and loving god would do. That is what an evil or uncaring god would do.
Good comment. But this situation's even worse. Guessing doesn't have as much to do with it as much as simply being born into a society in which a particular religion is predominant. D:
After having been raised to believe that Allah is the true god, how much more difficult is it to come to the conclusion that the god of Christianity is "true"?? LOL at that situation. (but not really, because one's life could be at stake for admitting apostasy)
Your right plus...They could only build that tower so high...they couldn't possibly have reached the upper levels of our atmosphere...I wonder why God was so afraid of people reaching heaven? ;D
Bravo! Excellent! I have been making the same arguments all over Youtube. It seems that the more Christians-n-the like cleave to, so-called, freewill and, what they theorize, as God's reasoning for it...the more they diminish their own god or their own god's power!
I was raised as a Christian and I came to all these same conclusions as a child but I just figured god was evil sadistic all powerful creature and because of the possibility that he might possibly exist, it would be best to believe in him (via self dilution and cherry picking of facts ect.) so as to ensure I wouldn't to hell.
Also I came to the conclusion that god must have lied about loving man kind in the bible.
Sin does not inherit ,every child born sinless, Lucifer was the head of angles but his arrogance ,falls pride, not obeying Allah he become Satan.Allah has created human perfect to seek knowledge and know him, and give them limited freewill to chose he also sent books and messengers for guidance.Allah has created everything in balance for example for you to post your video he gave knowledge to someone to create youtube, and to create a website Allah gave knowledge to someone to built up computer
Hang on a minute. You're saying that God invented Youtube? That is simply, and provably nonsense. Computers, cars, youtube, video technology; none of these were created by any kind of divine intervention. The only way you can make that claim is if at some point the technology or knowledge sprung from nowhere, but the research, the development of these technologies are all documented, scientific, and nothing at all to do with religion. I have so much to say in response but alas, insufficient spa-
Bro,I was not suggesting that Allah came to earth and created youtube. I was just simply suggesting that he gave knowledge to some human beings to do all those inventions, as he says in the Quran..And horses mules and donkeys both to ride and for adornment .And he creates other things you do not know (Quran 16:8)( plane, cars, etc. were unknown to peop 1400yes ago)A sign for them is that we carried their families in the laden ship. And we have created for them the like of it, in which they sail
I think you're actually a servant of God.well, probably not servant, but like a messanger. And by God I mean the real omg bottom-line, fo' shizz, GOD. Him/Her/It/Both want you to spread the news that, "hey, guess what? The basis of the christian religion is bullshit because of said revisions."
Oh, Adam and Eve are apparently (as told by a catholic school teacher) supposed to be viewed as a fairy tale.
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If I'm right I will be in Heaven, and you will be in Hell. But, if you are right we all will all be dead anyways. So either way YOU look at it you will die. The way I see it I will still live with God for all eternity. GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK. Luck, that's what you truely beleive in. Again, GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK! A VERY CLOSE FREIND OF THE BIBLE BABE
Thebiblebabe, don't you prove his point from this video? You have just said that God is going to damn him to eternal hell because he doesn't believe. Presuming that God does exist, is that the kind of God you want to worship? One that will damn someone to eternal hell simply for questioning rather than having faith, faith being belief without proof (if there was proof it wouldn't be faith). If God is willing to do that, could he also lie about Heaven?
The flaw in oyur line of thinking is the failure to acknowledge that if there is no evidence for any gods, which is what your wager presumes (you wouldnt need to wager anything if you had proof), then any conceivable god is equiprobable. Each has an equal amount of evidence in its favour, that is, absolutely none. Since this is the case, a god that punishes nonbelief is equiprobable to a god that punishes belief.
In fact, your wager is applicable to a god who punishes eternally for anything and rewards eternally for anything else (e.g. worshipping god, not believing, killing people, being nice, eating tinfoil..). Since your wager can be formulated for literally any kind of god that punishes and rewards literally any kind of belief, nonbelief, action or lack of action, it loses all of its force.
Why is there only two options in your statement? What about one of the other THOUSANDS of religions being correct? They are all equally likely to be right as yours so...how do you accommodate that fact?
When you think why you are atheist towards every other religion but your own you'll realise why I'm atheist to yours too.
I think your final point should be printed out and stuck up on the door of every Church in the land. Even if God exists, is a God that allows you eternal damnation one that is to be worshiped. Me thinks not. But then I don't believe in God, so thats irrelevant. Great work.
Scott, if you ever read this, my intention is NOT to belittle you video in any way. I consider your image and the content of your communication very valuable. Yet, you make me laugh so hard with your witty almost sarcastic humor that I cannot but say -God, you are also an excellent source of entertainment!!!
How could god NOT be all knowing when it seems so many people know what he does or doesn't know. I mean if you, an insignificant being of an infinite universe, KNOW that god doesn't force you to do anything it is obvious that god knows everything.
You should read your bible though. Your god definetely forces people to do things. Read about the egiptian pharaoh that had his heart hardened so god's plan develop accordingly.
Excellent video. I always thought why didn't Jesus keep a diary while he was down here, why did he rely his adventures being ghost-written? It would have at least saved his flock from arguing amongst themselves if they had the account straight from the horse's mouth.
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Hi Scott,
Nice to see you doing your ramblings again. I must admit that you are no longer a convincing atheist. For one, the God word rolls off your tongue far too smoothly lately, and secondly, you seem to continuously be reminding yourself of the possibility that He may or may not exist. Me thinks this little Atheist doth protest too much. It's quite possible you are in the early stages of having the scales removed from your eyes. God knows, enough people are praying for you.
Afrikitty, let's imagine that I WERE on my way to becomming a "believer"... Your premature cockiness would have turned me off completely before I even had a chance.
Nice going, sport. I'm going to hell now for sure, and it's completely your fault.
Could someone clarify for me, doesn't God's whole thing revole around faith. The whole point is that you're supposed to believe God exists by having faith in the validity of the Bible. Like isn't there more rules than just simply he cannot violate a persons free will, but that he also wants you to believe in him just off of what the bible tells you. Of course this isnt logically sound but I thouhgt that was what Christians believed.
How one defines what constitutes proper belief in god depends on what texts and specific sections one accepts as holy. In other words, it may be following rituals, worshiping god, believing that Jesus was god's son, and all kinds of other things.
More questions for the end of the video: Isn't it true that God could've made things that are really fun (e.g., sex) NOT wrong? Couldn't he have chosen a less ignorant group of people to reveal himself to the first time (e.g., the Egyptians, the Greeks) or the second time (e.g., the Romans)?
Obviiously if a God existed, he wouldn't care about beleif. that is obviously mans way of trapping somebody in a religion and making them feel guilty.
Errr.... but presumably god knew all this when he created it. Similarly, if you created the pancake eater in full knowledge that he would inevitably eat pancakes, then you DID make him eat pancakes. Either this omniscient god is not the creator OR your logic is false OR both. I subscribe to the latter.
then took the time to look at your own moronic statements.
Would you see a moron talking?
We do see a moron every time we see you talking or writing.
Your logic is so structurally flawed, all your arguments are so defenitaly biased, and inconstant, and you have facts wrong all the time, but so stuborn that you are undebatable.
You wouldn't accept proof of the existence of a club even if you'd be clubbed to death with it.
You sound just like me! I could not have stated it better. How do people even exist with the creativity to produce such nonsense and actually believe it? It is the enigma of all time.
I don't subscribe to the argument that God's omniscience is a contradiction to human freewill. I'm aware of that argument, but I don't particularly think it's a strong one. (It could be argued that God's omniscience is a contradiction to His OWN freewill, but that's another issue.)
However, this video has nothing to do with that. I'm wondering if you're confusing it with something else, or if you possibly didn't finish the video but assumed it would be about that?
Great video. I like your approach. Now that we have a scientific basis for understanding the universe, and we don't need religion to explain things, I think it's also unnecessary to use science to explain away god. I mean, that's been done. What you do is go back to common sense and look at what the religious are actually saying, and tear it up. Pre-Darwin, this was more difficult because we didn't have an alternate explanation. But now that we do, we canattackthecultists from more angles.
Part of being God is having a will that is free. His will is not dependent on anything or anyone else. God can't give up His free will for that would be giving up part of His Godhood. If God gave up His free will to man that would make man the final determiner.
God created man to fulfill His purpose. If man and God both have a free will than two entities have are the final determiners. Impossible!
I wanted to create my own channel like this, but there is no way that i could ever out match the fluidness on how you say things, not to mention everything you say is just brilliant.
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He goes and checks to see if he forgot to buy milk or not at 3:19 :)
SMAKCraft 4 months ago
Surely We will test you with a bit of fear and hunger, and loss in wealth and lives and fruits, and give good tidings to the patient (155) Who, when a suffering visits them, say: “We certainly belong to Allah, and to Him we are bound to return.” 77 (156) Those are the ones upon whom there are blessings from their Lord, and mercy as well; and those are the ones who are on the right path.(2:155-156)
mrnapil 4 months ago
Surah At-Taghabun:
No calamity befalls (one), but with the leave of Allah. And whoever believes in Allah, He guides his heart. Allah is All-Knowing about every thing. (11)
Your riches and your children are but a trial. As for Allah, with Him is a great reward. (64:15)
mrnapil 4 months ago
Alif , Lam , Mim . 1 (1) Do people think that they will be left (at ease) only on their saying, “We believe” and will not be put to any test? (2) Indeed We have tested those who were before them. So Allah will surely know the ones who are truthful, and He will surely know the liars. (3) Or do those who commit evils think that they will outstrip Us? Evil is what they predicate.
mrnapil 4 months ago
Unlike Bible, Koran was sent in Arabic language and remain so till now. That is why there are no alteration in its contents.
Unlike angels, human are meant to be tested here in this world to prove that he/she is worthy to enter the Heaven.
mrnapil 4 months ago
God allows the saints to view Hell.
WetlandsRemediation 5 months ago
Logically sound video.
Hell is a petty THREAT that carries no weight. The concept of Hell is a plagiarism of Greco-Roman mythical Hades/Tartarus, Nordic Hel & Hindu Naraka, as the NT notion of Hell never existed in the OT; only Sheol which is simply "The Grave." Gehenna (from Ge Hinnon meaning Valley of Hinnom) is not described as Hell, but rather a literal valley in Jerusalem for burning rubbish. Jews do NOT believe in Hell. Hell is simply a fear tool for recruiting.
xephyr1000 5 months ago
Funny story, in Judaism, angels don't have free will. But that's neither here nor there. Good points yo!
ChairmanKam 8 months ago
If it were true that God has done everything in his power to keep people from Hell, then people wouldn't go to hell. Simple as that. He is supposedly the most powerful and intelligent being Amen. Since people do go to Hell according to the Bible then he has not done everything in his power. Makes sense.
tishmfey 8 months ago
No matter how much logic u toss at believers, They'll cower away in dogma and throw that in ur face. When you try to defy the logic of dogma you get tossed the idea in your face that once you believe, you will understand and that all of this...is just a challenge by god. (for example, the creation of lucifer, eventhough god knows, he gave humans free wil and they sided with him in the garden of eve....bla bla bla now u have a challenge and are saved by jezus bla bla bla repent and convert
BrutusAlbion 8 months ago
If god were to actually reveal itself, it would not effect free will and I have an example to prove this.
There is a mountain of evidence that evolution is true yet there are thousands of christians who refuse to acknowledge it and thus choose to believe that evolution is not true.
But then again christians are great at ignoring contradictions.
Relativisticism 8 months ago
He brings up a great point. Funny how the Bible is replete with examples of god actually interacting with humanity. He performs feats of supernatural prowess, makes appearances destroys cities and even sent himself (Jesus) to walk amongst men and perform miracles supposedly witnessed by many.
But just like that, its over. No more appearances, no miracles, no nothing.
How convenient LOL
nosajj12345 9 months ago 3
@nosajj12345 Funny enough, that was the reason I became an atheist when I was around 10 or so.
SlayersOfTrolls 6 months ago
So called GOD is mankind's bullshit to form another fictional way of trying to answer things that they know nothing about.... All Religion is either another form of control, by so called spiritual organizations like MORMONS < CATHOLICS< MUSLIMS And other bs group
I rather live a happy life, filled with friends and be an ATHEIST and die snuggled with a hot girl and my pet cat :P
mceltv 9 months ago
The christian god started interfering with humans' free will with Adam and Eve. According to the Bible, god drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden specifically to keep them from eating of the Tree of Life. He denied them that choice thereby interfering with their free will.
In the OT, the christian god ordered the slaughter of innocent men, women, and boys. (It was okay to keep young female virgins.) Whatever free will they had was annihilated by the christian god.
ev0lv3n0w 9 months ago
Isnt it true that god didnt do everything in his power? Ok from a bible based Christian this is the most simple question to answer he gave his only son for us. From a christian i would love to debate what your saying but you didnt back anything up with scpiture.There was alot there so only answered your last question. People love talking down about god of the bible yet not back anything they say up with the bible. Great peek a boo video also enjoyed both.
kepter1 10 months ago
All god would have to do (or have done) is impart the ability to know when something is (emphasis on *is*) false. All-powerful, right? That wouldn't necessarily make us more intelligent. That wouldn't necessarily directly improve our ability to understand, reason or recall. That wouldn't let us predict the future, though it should allow us to better predict outcomes, being less prone to misinformation. Science would accelerate. Religious claims would stand or fall on their own veritas.
akaei0 11 months ago
In answer to your "isn't it true" questions, the answer is a resounding YES! I started asking myself these kind of questions when I was a Christian and in answering these questions sincerely, I found that it led to my abandoning all that I'd ever believed to be true. Any honest hearted person, no matter how entrenched they may be in their religion, has to face up to these questions and admit that the answers to them will lead them to re-evaluate their beliefs.
summersun2828 1 year ago 2
Why does this make so much sense to me, but is so hard for my friends and family to grasp?
Arteia 1 year ago
TheoreticalBullshit
I am curious to know if you have studied Astrology, the cross of the zodiac or Egyptian culture for which Christianity came from?
I am amazed how it all fits together. Did you know that the 10 commandments was taken from the Egyptian “Book of the dead” chapter 125?
If Christians are praying to “Jesus” then why would you end your prayers with “Amen” instead of Jesus? They are so ignorant, they don’t even know they are praying to the Egyptian god "Amen" or "Amen-Ra"
1NWOMD 1 year ago
@1NWOMD
Christians = Father Son Holy Spirit.
In Egypitan culture you have.Amen Amun Amen-Ra - King of the gods and Triad of Thebes
Amun -Father of life
RA- The Son god
Amen
attributes -"hidden" which is given to his name, we must conclude that he was the personification of the hidden and unknown creative power which was associated with the primeval abyss, gods in the creation of the world, and all that is in it. The root amen, means "what is hidden," "what cannot be seen,"
1NWOMD 1 year ago
@1NWOMD [amen] is one of the few words of scripture which is written in it's original Hebrew form. In fact, it is practically a universal word, having been adopted directly from the Hebrew into Greek, Latin, English, Spanish, & many other languages. Found both in the Old and the New Testaments, it is also translated in different ways, depending upon the context of the passage in which it is found. continued to 2
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
@hexusziggura continued from 1
This Hebrew Amen is derived from the root [aman], which means to be firm or solid in the sense of permanency. Thus by implication, it means to be sure, true or faithful. So whenever we see this word Amen used in scripture, it's affirming truth, or illustrating something is said that is of absolute certainty.
Isaiah 65:16 Revelation 3:14 John 8:51 John 13:38 Deuteronomy 27:20-23
verily-truth (to be firm or solid truth with a sense of solid permanency
hexusziggurat 1 year ago
Eloquent
jursamaj 1 year ago
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please go to you tube and wright farchi torab nasheeh
aalmazroa 1 year ago
7:20 - 7:34 Why don't people find this obvious? it makes me sad.
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
7:20 - 7:34 Why don't people find the fishyness it it.
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
I'd love to see what you'd do with free will vs election in the Christian mythos.
chilimaan 1 year ago
Very well said. And completely right.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
I am male and thouroughly straight. But I do know handsome when I see it. And you are one handsome SOB.
dymchurch1 1 year ago 78
@dymchurch1 I agree, male and straight too. But it's cool having handsome atheists, adds more points to the movement. I'm pretty handsome myself. So, go atheists!! we get all the bootay!
kamilo19880000 1 year ago
@dymchurch1 - don't look at his eyes! You'll get lost!
BrisbaneAtheists 7 months ago 3
@dymchurch1 Aww sukie sukie YES!
ciaochowbella 2 months ago
god watches me masturbate D: alot! hes a sicko!!
Dranex11 1 year ago
I've already said I don't believe in hell as you do for Lk 12:5 is explained by Matt 10:28. Self knowledge is all that is required for Ps 51:17 so why can't the Christian God be the God of all with a way for them to offer the acceptable sacrifice (Ps 51:17) whether or not they know that the sacrifice of animals is showing a belief that the "seed of a woman will bruise the serpent" or that Jesus' blood has power? Isn't it true that Jesus would be the fulfillment of a sacrificial system?
ReligionOfSacrifice 1 year ago
Could you say that if God wanted the best for us, he'd never have created us? Cause there's a lot of pain in living and to just not live would be much better.
Allyepiph 1 year ago
If God determined the laws of the universe, couldn't he arrange it so that everyone could be guaranteed to heaven without screwing with free will? Of course that's ridiculous with our laws, but for a being with the ability to skew the foundations of reality...
lilmunch64 1 year ago
@lilmunch64 Most Christians believe that they would have free will in Heaven, so apparently god could have done just that. I guess "he" didn't want to.
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
god sense of freewill is entrapment
inconvenient12345 2 years ago
God "can't" cause anyone to go into or out of hell? Why can god do Anything else, whatsover His will should be, except that?
NicholasCobalt 2 years ago
Freewill is a myth; that god doesn't want to interfear on mankinds freewill is a lie. its eather that or he never had a devine plan, because regardliess weather you think you have freewill, your still going to do whatever he had plan for you in your life. His devine plan is a conraditions to man have freewill.
show himself already, because weather we except him or not then doesn't matter because his devine plan still will contine on going. or we all accept him then is plan for us is shot
redraven411 2 years ago
you made this comment awhile ago but you still didnt give a sufficient reason why freewill isnt real
neway i dont like the idea of a devine "plan"
the reason being is that it DOES go bak 2 free will.but its NOT predestination
its hes giving you free will but he still knws what your goin 2 do
and the reason being is the love connection
w/o free will thered be no "love"
bcuz itd be every1 following him around and doin what he says not because we WANT to but because we HAVE to
hence the love
filldapmp123 2 years ago
The concept of free will is incompatible with an omniscient god. If he knows precisely everything we are ever going to do, then that means in some sense the future is set, and the idea that we have a choice in the actions we take is only an illusion.
And if God really does exist and is omniscient, he knew before he even created me that my soul was destined for hell. Why would he create souls that are predestined to go to hell?
Arkalius80 2 years ago
well see from what it sounds like is tht ur an athelist
and if seems tht ur looking more at calvinsim
*not me*
and the idea of predistination *john calvin*
and i dont see it either
because he loves everyone
si why would we make some ppl "predestined" to go to hell
not sure
but the idea of free will takes a lot of thought and you really have to look at both sides to find your answer
filldapmp123 2 years ago
Answer this question. If God is omniscient, and therefore knows exactly everything I am going to do before I do it, then are my actions not predistined?
Arkalius80 2 years ago
no they are not
just beacause he knows what your going to do doesnt mean you do it
like this is a perfect example
my mom everytime she sees an ambulance she says a prayer
and when im with her and i see an ambulance i look to her knowing shes going to say a prayer
just because i know shes going to do it
doesnt mean i make her do it
filldapmp123 2 years ago
You are talking about completely different things. You are predicting what your mom will do based on your experience with what she has done in the past.
Supposedly, God knows every detail of everything we are ever going to do, and everything everyone is ever going to do, even before they are born, because he sees beyond time. It is not a prediction based on experience of past events, it's just knowledge of all things that will ever transpire.
Arkalius80 2 years ago
ur right i dont know how to explain that idea of faith
the "freewil" part of it
well actualy many parts of faith
but i tryed my best at explaining it and failed
but i know yuor going to freak out when i say this but many aspects of my faith is just
"blind faith"
filldapmp123 2 years ago
"just beacause he knows what your going to do doesnt mean you do it" that entire sentence contradicts itself. If he knows what you are going to do that implies you will do it or he wouldn't know what you're going to do.
Drums1881 2 years ago
@Drums1881
ur right but that was a typing mistake i made.
i ment to say
just because he knows what your going to do, doesnt mean he makes you do it
filldapmp123 1 year ago
@filldapmp123
The argument is god (if he were to exist) designed our instincts and motivations while knowing what actions those instincts and motivations would result in. Therefore isn't he responsible for what those actions are?
redgiemental 1 year ago
You could also expand that and prove that God himself has no free will and that he is not omnipotent.
God at any point in time, is limited to do only what he has already predicted himself doing and nothing else.
If he chooses to do something different then he is contradicting his omnipresence.
This kind of limitation is in direct contradiction to not only his free will, but also his omnipotence.
MelowMurder 2 years ago
UNDERSTAND GOD AND THE BIG PICTURE: He is a "no contest" to your ojbections to him. He has required that everyone die once. After your death it will be decided if you should get eternal life or not. It's personal. Whether God wants your company for eternity or not. Certain people or angels will not love him unconditionally and so he doesn't bring those back. They have a temporary life and that's it. Those who love him get eternal life and everybody is ecstatic. Love is not forced.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Larsing..
I disagree! I say love is forced...or the attempt is to force love and your blind if you can't see that. It doesn't take to reading much scripture to get to the crux of it!
Jesus says love me...or else! Has your parents ever gave U such an ultimatum?? "Love us or we'll lock U in the basement & torture U day & night with a butane torch!"
I sure hope not & any parent figure, if they loved us, would never wish to do us harm, regardless of our failings. To threaten us with Hell is evil!
Cootabux 2 years ago
The love is not "forced" it is TRICKED. It's like a test where you are tested but don't know you're being watched or tested. It's you passing by a homeless person whom you don't know is an angel. It's your personal choices when you're not looking. You are given time to make lots of personal choices then you find out later how those choices get you life or death.
But not to worry. 1,440,000 judges will decide if given your misconceptions you'd be a wonderful asset for eternity.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Lars..
"But not to worry. 1,440,000 judges will decide if given your misconceptions you'd be a wonderful asset for eternity."
I like that! Never heard that 1 before.
But isn't isn't all of that a terrible waste of time? I mean, god already knows every aspect of our natures (he made us), he knows every thought we R going to have, every move we make. Why go thru all the BS? Pointless, senseless!
If an angel pretends to be a homeless person, where does he hide his wings? :-)
Cootabux 2 years ago 4
Where do you get this shit? Seriously!
prostock69 2 years ago
God chooses those who choose him. That means some who hear about God killing lots of people figure he had good reason.Others, like you, presume these people were innocent and God is cruel, so you don't like God and reject him. God likes the former type of person to be chosen for eternity. So technically, even though you have not chosen God,on some level you don't qualify for eternal life anyway, because of your own choice which reflects the inner U. U are exposed to the same things Xians are.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Lars...
I think U may B overlooking some things. Supposedly, god created us just as we R. He knows our weaknesses. In fact, he knows who he is sending 2 hell eons B 4 he created us, right? So Y blame me 4 the choices Im making which R influences by the way he made me?
If your explanation is true, then I can only see this god as cruel beyond imagination.
He creates us just 2 fuck with us while blackmailing us with eternal torture??
What's amazing is how easily Xians accept this insanity!!
Cootabux 2 years ago
No. I think God compensated for those he knew would want more freedom than is possible in a world of equality. I can see where you are coming from but it is a given: God is wonderful and nice to those he likes and he does trip up those he doesn't, so....
Think about this. Say if 4 billion people pass Judgment Day. If you lived with each person 1 year to get to know them and had a year off, it would take 8 billion years to finally know every person on the planet!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
@Larsinger58
You're fucking retarded, as you've obviously missed the point of this video.
God is still an asshole because now you're saying he created a person he KNEW would just end up suffering in hell... way to go, God.
kittenjerk123 1 year ago
@kittenjerk123 It seems like the christian has to say that we have the free will to be smart enough to figure out that the God of the Bible exists or that God makes it look as if there are legitamate cultural, physical and biological reasons people believe or do not believe in things even though it really is mostly free will. Because even if you say those who haven't heard of Christianity could be saved but no atheist can be you still aren't close to answering the problem.
RuinSonic 1 year ago
You are very intuitive! The BIG PICTURE is that to get rid of Satan God had to kill everybody. Basically, the angels volunteered to die, including Jesus Christ, so Satan could be put to death without partiality. But God then brings back his favorites or chosen ones.
HAPPINESS is greater when it is chosen out of free will. To do that you have to allow for a percentage of rejects. So this process was produces a higher quality of life when "choice" is included. So it was worth it.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
What U have to worry about is Judgment Day when you will be compared to all the Christians who seem to get it, love God and try to be good Christians or good muslims or just good people.
Also HELL is a false doctrine. God puts people to death. There is no eternal torment. That is a conceptual issue, not literal.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Lars..
If there is a judgment day, I'll be happy 2 tell god that I made my decision 2 not believe bcuz I used the brain he gave me & found no evidence 4 believing in him...certainly its not in the bible!!
Which do U think a "just" god would appreciate more; "dishonest belief" or "honest disbelief?"
U know better then all other Xians what hell means?? A whole lot of other, very knowledgeable Xians would not agree with your interpretation of hell!
1 thing about Xians...consistently inconsistent!
Cootabux 2 years ago
Basically, you have to figure if God knew there would be "collateral damage" if he gave free moral agency. But it is only temporary; after Judgment Day "free moral agency" will be unnecessary. You only need time to make a choice then its over, no more need for the devil. So you made your choice, so that's it. You'd be unhappy anyway in a paradise earth, where all are androgynous with nothing to do but get to know each other, right?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Lars
"Also HELL is a false doctrine. God puts people to death. There is no eternal torment. That is a conceptual issue, not literal."
This all sounds very interesting but the fact is, you know nothing f the things you proclaim here. U guess it's fun for some to contemplate this stuff but there's simply no way U can state any of this as fact.
Make believe...it's all fantasy!
There is no basis to take any of this stuff seriously.
Cootabux 2 years ago 16
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Actually, that's not true. What if I told U that when Christ sends out his angels to gather the elect that some of the angels materialize human bodies and pretend to be human? If some of those angels communicate with some of us but not with others, then some of us have direct proof of this is all real. Even so, others still would doubt and believe it is all a fantasy. So it depends on how "inside" you are with Christ's plan whether or not its FACT or fiction. U can disprove NOTHING! Trust me.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Get back on your meds.
prostock69 2 years ago
What if I told you that when Zeus sends out his avatars to gather his favorites, some of the materialize in human bodies and pretend to be human? If some of them communicate with some of us but not with others, then some of us have direct proof that Zeus is real. Even so, others will doubt and believe the Greek gods are all fantasy. So, it depends on how "inside" you are with Zeus's plan. You can disprove NOTHING about Zeus!
Arkalius80 2 years ago
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You are full of crap you little atheist slimeball.
TheClovis2 2 years ago
This guy is a spammer, mark him as such,
Palmy543231 2 years ago
Well put dude...even with a bible explaining shit goes in fucking circles thats like a fucking lego set with a bunch of colors but the instructions lay out one color. i mean do u make up your own or fix it in your own pattern due to the laziness of the human mind!! Keep it up!!
jinga617 2 years ago
Kwesi, It should be first noted that your argument from design isn't for anything more than a deistic god. It says nothing of a god with specific attributes who intervenes in our lives, hears and answers prayers, and writes books. Also, paintings are a poor analogy as a painter can be observed, and we have other paintings to place context.
Additionally, you don't know what or if anything created the living things we observe, and positing a deity out of ignorance is not logically sound.
OllyakaEnfillade 2 years ago
you look at ripple in a river....you didnt see who created but somethin had...plus in are dna there is information evolution can account for the lack of evidence..of apes to humans....
kwesi216 2 years ago
I'm not going to educate you on your misconceptions about the origin of species, only ask you to learn about it rather than dismiss it as lacking evidence when you don't understand it.
Additionally, you're still making an argument for a deistic god, and nothing more. You're saying you don't understand how the universe could be formed by natural causes so a magic man must have done it, by say nothing of why this magic man must also write books and care about humans.
OllyakaEnfillade 2 years ago
without experienceing God, your so called knowledge and understanding of the world will also be tremendously minute. like I said, its like trying to describe the internet to an Ant. When you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, so many things will become apparent and revealed to you. Things you just cant receive now.
kwesi216 2 years ago
That is not what your Bible teaches. It was a forbidden tree that gave man knowledge, not acceptance of Jesus Christ. Jesus' salvation is only supposed to grant forgiveness, and a hall-pass to heaven.
Additionally, what makes you think I haven't accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior? What makes you think the tenets of Christianity weren't forced onto me in a psychologically abusive way since childhood, by scaring me with the fear of eternal torture and suffering?
OllyakaEnfillade 2 years ago
kwes
Really? Please enlighten us. Just provide a couple examples. I'm really curious about your claim since I was a Xian for over 50 yrs before I became an Atheist. So I'd like to delve into this a lot deeper.
Cootabux 2 years ago
What is an "Xian"?
kukynphunt 2 years ago
kuky..
Xian=Christian.
I use my own kinda shorthand since we only have 500 character posts. Now its a habit cuz it also saves time.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Coota....my short hand
Assclown= Christian
Keep up the good work, if you ever need a helpful slam let me know
kukynphunt 2 years ago
That's a crock of shit, most of the atheist/agnostics have been exposed to your genie god in some form or other. Some of them are ex preachers who studied the bible at lengths.Your so called saving was a product of hysteria dilusional group think!
kukynphunt 2 years ago
kwes
I've heard that spiel so many times....it's unfortunate ppl can reach such a point of delusion!
U keep proclaiming all these things about god, can U substantiate any of your claims?
Cootabux 2 years ago
the bible can...and i dont have..2..im not christian..lol
kwesi216 2 years ago
kwes..
There is no lack in evidence anymore, not since last year, showing that man & ape have a common ancestor. We are related and that's a fact. This info was found when they mapped the Chimpanzee Genome last year.
Cootabux 2 years ago
so that doesnt mean a creator doesnt exist....
SocraticTruth 2 years ago
Socra...
As an Atheist, or non-believer, which I prefer, I have never said a "creator" can't exist or doesn't exist. How could I, or anyone know such a thing.
No, my position is that I don't believe the Xian version of god (yahweh/Jesus) were gods, based on Xians inability to substantiate their claims that he "does" exist. I take it further by saying that I don't believe the supernatural claims in scripture R true & I use scripture as evidence.
I just don't believe in a personal god.
Cootabux 2 years ago
I feel the same...but i ask u this..on the small possiblity that a creator may exist...why would one not try to pursue that ...
SocraticTruth 2 years ago
i am an agnostic diest...
kwesi216 2 years ago
There is one simple thing I do not understand, and feel free to post me if I am wrong, I do not mind looking the fool. Is altering free will a rule for him or for us? Why should he have to follow that rule at all? He is supposed to be all powerfull, and basically, the ruler of...well....everything known and unknown. Why would he have to follow any rules at all? Was sending his 'son' to earth, or enlisting moses against free will? If not, why not repeat this in our time?
skywize 2 years ago
I have been asking these same questions every since I was a little kid. No one has ever been able to answer with anything other than I must have faith.
shellyshelly71 2 years ago
god can do those things, but that would be cheating...
cmrdud3 2 years ago
I stubbed my toe today AND I got a paper cut! I'm so sick of lazy deities that don't intervene.
majorbelov 2 years ago 2
I love TBS, easy on the eyes and reasonable.
MrSalamander7 2 years ago
so agree. another reason to love philosophy! lol
even though i might not always agree with him, damn i could listen all day! (and watch of course lol) XD
chocochris07 2 years ago
thank you so much. i ask these questions all the time. and never get a good real response.
jeffwolfheart 2 years ago
No no no, you've got it all wrong... We will all go to Valhalla, where we will perpetually fight and get drunk. And when we slain in battle in Valhalla, we will be resurrected by valkyries. Praise Odin the infinitely knowing. See you there, my brothers!
JackyVSO 2 years ago
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apostatesprostate 2 years ago
So I die tomorrow, I'm still saved. What's the point. Leave us alone. We're happy, we're not going around hurting others. Let us go through our lives without having the fact that we're different shoved at us. Stop preaching, it does nothing.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
"The bible clearly teaches that all mankind will be saved by Jesus." So what's the point. Go home, and be happy that we'll all be saved.
Cyrathil 2 years ago
There's a very simple counterpoint to this whole "freewill" crap. Lucifer apparently knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Yahweh existed, and yet he doesn't seem to worship or follow him. They are so common because, and I'm quoting Expelled for this one..., "Questions that aren't properly answered, don't go away".
Cyrathil 2 years ago
there is no god
drakejoseph25 2 years ago 2
Yeah, you're right. My bad. Not sure how I made that mistake, I actually knew that. Oh well, my point is still valid.
Freecell82 2 years ago
TB does not go far enough in his rejection of the 'Free Will Defence' - not only does the apprehension of knowledge not detract from the ability to exercise free will, as he suggests, but knowledge is *essential* to the exercise of free will, because without knowledge of the choices we cannot choose freely between them.
DomainRider 2 years ago
"As human beings..."
That's a fallacious statement. Get honest with yerself.
theDracoIX 2 years ago
I think - I find it very interesting but STILL many many great and beautiful problems await investigation. Say Parking places, Fresh water supply, Global Starvation (In EU we drive cars with fuel made of corn :) How Ecological isn't it? ) and.. that's what i think. Let's think and work for out "dirty lil sinful beauty Earth and when someone argues with you for gods or shit tell him- I drive You drive-I eat You eat, I shit every mornin' and You too. Many more things in common we have than not.
AtakanNW 3 years ago
Yes, I think it is true that God has not done everything in his power to keep us from going to hell, instead, it seems that God has set us up for mental torture on earth, and then physical torture in hell
Is this a loving God? What do you think of that? Anyone? Anyone????
classic287 3 years ago 6
in way god is at fault but according to scriptures its are fault for not listening to GOD....through jesus he gave us a way out.....
kwesi216 3 years ago
Why should we listen to him over say Allah, or Buddha, or Vishnu, or any other god? They all have equal amounts of evidence supporting their existence. That's the entire point of this video. What god is doing is forcing us to guess. If we guess right, we get eternal life, yay! If we guess wrong, we get burned forever, oh no! That is not what a kind and loving god would do. That is what an evil or uncaring god would do.
Freecell82 2 years ago 2
Good comment. But this situation's even worse. Guessing doesn't have as much to do with it as much as simply being born into a society in which a particular religion is predominant. D:
After having been raised to believe that Allah is the true god, how much more difficult is it to come to the conclusion that the god of Christianity is "true"?? LOL at that situation. (but not really, because one's life could be at stake for admitting apostasy)
ErikWithBrain 2 years ago 2
THANK YOU, Freecell82.........
classic287 2 years ago
Tower of Babel, breach of Freewill Docrine.
dpsadin 3 years ago
Your right plus...They could only build that tower so high...they couldn't possibly have reached the upper levels of our atmosphere...I wonder why God was so afraid of people reaching heaven? ;D
WordsofHarmony 2 years ago
What's the fun/purpose/reason for creating a being that can't make a decision for itself?
CAMIV68 3 years ago
Genius... just genius.
BoOyaH1388 3 years ago
You don't have to say about fallen angels, because god already interfered (or not) in our free will by creating the bible...It is very simple.
Twint42 3 years ago
"remove our souls alltogether" haha YES thats what i have been saying all along.
very good points! and defenite favorite.
zoneman28 3 years ago
he didnt create our souls to die so we have two choices ...him or you
Dawolf1 3 years ago
Bravo! Excellent! I have been making the same arguments all over Youtube. It seems that the more Christians-n-the like cleave to, so-called, freewill and, what they theorize, as God's reasoning for it...the more they diminish their own god or their own god's power!
julzabro 3 years ago
I was raised as a Christian and I came to all these same conclusions as a child but I just figured god was evil sadistic all powerful creature and because of the possibility that he might possibly exist, it would be best to believe in him (via self dilution and cherry picking of facts ect.) so as to ensure I wouldn't to hell.
Also I came to the conclusion that god must have lied about loving man kind in the bible.
itCameFromEarth 3 years ago 2
cool, same here, or atleast lied about the extent of his love
SousukePanic 3 years ago
Sin does not inherit ,every child born sinless, Lucifer was the head of angles but his arrogance ,falls pride, not obeying Allah he become Satan.Allah has created human perfect to seek knowledge and know him, and give them limited freewill to chose he also sent books and messengers for guidance.Allah has created everything in balance for example for you to post your video he gave knowledge to someone to create youtube, and to create a website Allah gave knowledge to someone to built up computer
Butawaka 3 years ago
Hang on a minute. You're saying that God invented Youtube? That is simply, and provably nonsense. Computers, cars, youtube, video technology; none of these were created by any kind of divine intervention. The only way you can make that claim is if at some point the technology or knowledge sprung from nowhere, but the research, the development of these technologies are all documented, scientific, and nothing at all to do with religion. I have so much to say in response but alas, insufficient spa-
drtazzle 3 years ago 2
Bro,I was not suggesting that Allah came to earth and created youtube. I was just simply suggesting that he gave knowledge to some human beings to do all those inventions, as he says in the Quran..And horses mules and donkeys both to ride and for adornment .And he creates other things you do not know (Quran 16:8)( plane, cars, etc. were unknown to peop 1400yes ago)A sign for them is that we carried their families in the laden ship. And we have created for them the like of it, in which they sail
Butawaka 3 years ago
I think you're actually a servant of God.well, probably not servant, but like a messanger. And by God I mean the real omg bottom-line, fo' shizz, GOD. Him/Her/It/Both want you to spread the news that, "hey, guess what? The basis of the christian religion is bullshit because of said revisions."
Oh, Adam and Eve are apparently (as told by a catholic school teacher) supposed to be viewed as a fairy tale.
Pendolse13 3 years ago
Why do you hate me?
TwiddelyMan 3 years ago
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If I'm right I will be in Heaven, and you will be in Hell. But, if you are right we all will all be dead anyways. So either way YOU look at it you will die. The way I see it I will still live with God for all eternity. GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK. Luck, that's what you truely beleive in. Again, GOD BLESS AND GOOD LUCK! A VERY CLOSE FREIND OF THE BIBLE BABE
TheBibleBabe 3 years ago
Thebiblebabe, don't you prove his point from this video? You have just said that God is going to damn him to eternal hell because he doesn't believe. Presuming that God does exist, is that the kind of God you want to worship? One that will damn someone to eternal hell simply for questioning rather than having faith, faith being belief without proof (if there was proof it wouldn't be faith). If God is willing to do that, could he also lie about Heaven?
Squawkerd 3 years ago 5
Technically you do need faith for abosultely anything that is not 100% certain, which is everything except for areas of mathematics.
Its simply a matter of how much faith you need, I angry with what you have to say, though, Squakerd.
SaviorOfLogic 3 years ago
The flaw in oyur line of thinking is the failure to acknowledge that if there is no evidence for any gods, which is what your wager presumes (you wouldnt need to wager anything if you had proof), then any conceivable god is equiprobable. Each has an equal amount of evidence in its favour, that is, absolutely none. Since this is the case, a god that punishes nonbelief is equiprobable to a god that punishes belief.
OverusedChewToy 3 years ago
(Continued from last post;
In fact, your wager is applicable to a god who punishes eternally for anything and rewards eternally for anything else (e.g. worshipping god, not believing, killing people, being nice, eating tinfoil..). Since your wager can be formulated for literally any kind of god that punishes and rewards literally any kind of belief, nonbelief, action or lack of action, it loses all of its force.
OverusedChewToy 3 years ago
Why is there only two options in your statement? What about one of the other THOUSANDS of religions being correct? They are all equally likely to be right as yours so...how do you accommodate that fact?
When you think why you are atheist towards every other religion but your own you'll realise why I'm atheist to yours too.
Scotracer 2 years ago
You spend so much time making one point. Example, "Watch my video 'nonbelief and Peek-A-Boo' as reference prior to watching this video, thanks."
My point is you lose viewers and attention dancing around concerns or assertions you are making as the subject matter.
zzzmidnight 3 years ago
You're right. I've noticed that about my videos. I'll work on being better about that. Thanks.
TheoreticalBullshit 3 years ago
I think your final point should be printed out and stuck up on the door of every Church in the land. Even if God exists, is a God that allows you eternal damnation one that is to be worshiped. Me thinks not. But then I don't believe in God, so thats irrelevant. Great work.
Squawkerd 3 years ago
Scott, if you ever read this, my intention is NOT to belittle you video in any way. I consider your image and the content of your communication very valuable. Yet, you make me laugh so hard with your witty almost sarcastic humor that I cannot but say -God, you are also an excellent source of entertainment!!!
Lex9071 3 years ago
About the "New Book" thing. Check out the book "Conversations With God". It's not at all religious, and it makes much sense.
AbnoSemufid 3 years ago
Is god all powerful? can he make a god more powerful than himself?
Can he die?
Is he all knowing? Then how can I have free will
to make decisions in the future?
ukidding 3 years ago
Yes God is all knowing. How does that effect you? he doesn't force you to do anything.
ofreshartist 3 years ago
How could god NOT be all knowing when it seems so many people know what he does or doesn't know. I mean if you, an insignificant being of an infinite universe, KNOW that god doesn't force you to do anything it is obvious that god knows everything.
You should read your bible though. Your god definetely forces people to do things. Read about the egiptian pharaoh that had his heart hardened so god's plan develop accordingly.
logossfera 3 years ago
Absolutely brilliant! You make your case so clearly, thoroughly and eloquently.
AThagoras 3 years ago
stop dick ridin'
kwesi216 2 years ago
Excellent video. I always thought why didn't Jesus keep a diary while he was down here, why did he rely his adventures being ghost-written? It would have at least saved his flock from arguing amongst themselves if they had the account straight from the horse's mouth.
shoyhoy 3 years ago
Theo, are you intentionally ripping off my Morality & Creation series? Lol. :P
JSResponds 3 years ago
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Hi Scott,
Nice to see you doing your ramblings again. I must admit that you are no longer a convincing atheist. For one, the God word rolls off your tongue far too smoothly lately, and secondly, you seem to continuously be reminding yourself of the possibility that He may or may not exist. Me thinks this little Atheist doth protest too much. It's quite possible you are in the early stages of having the scales removed from your eyes. God knows, enough people are praying for you.
Afrikitty 3 years ago
Afrikitty, let's imagine that I WERE on my way to becomming a "believer"... Your premature cockiness would have turned me off completely before I even had a chance.
Nice going, sport. I'm going to hell now for sure, and it's completely your fault.
TheoreticalBullshit 3 years ago
Could someone clarify for me, doesn't God's whole thing revole around faith. The whole point is that you're supposed to believe God exists by having faith in the validity of the Bible. Like isn't there more rules than just simply he cannot violate a persons free will, but that he also wants you to believe in him just off of what the bible tells you. Of course this isnt logically sound but I thouhgt that was what Christians believed.
shad00w239 3 years ago
How one defines what constitutes proper belief in god depends on what texts and specific sections one accepts as holy. In other words, it may be following rituals, worshiping god, believing that Jesus was god's son, and all kinds of other things.
JSResponds 3 years ago
More questions for the end of the video: Isn't it true that God could've made things that are really fun (e.g., sex) NOT wrong? Couldn't he have chosen a less ignorant group of people to reveal himself to the first time (e.g., the Egyptians, the Greeks) or the second time (e.g., the Romans)?
GyrinidaeRex 3 years ago
venomfangx:
-definition of time: cause and effect within a coherent system.
-future: the effect which is yet to come.
therefore going to the future would be a movement in time, and therefore nothing exists outside of time that has contact with us.
coherent language dude. use coherent language. dont confuse yourself with spooky words.
god0fmusic 3 years ago
Cute: "or any other false religion."
DeeEmarr 3 years ago
yep, its true.....
AstoundedAtheist 3 years ago
Obviiously if a God existed, he wouldn't care about beleif. that is obviously mans way of trapping somebody in a religion and making them feel guilty.
kix4trix 3 years ago
Errr.... but presumably god knew all this when he created it. Similarly, if you created the pancake eater in full knowledge that he would inevitably eat pancakes, then you DID make him eat pancakes. Either this omniscient god is not the creator OR your logic is false OR both. I subscribe to the latter.
AlmightScoop 3 years ago
If you wanted your pancake eater to have free will, than you would not hardwire him to like pancakes. You would give him a clean slate.
kix4trix 3 years ago
Not only was your point perfectly logical, but it involved pancakes. Bravo.
Artemis300 3 years ago
Yea somebody else brought up pancakes. I can't take full credit.
kix4trix 3 years ago
Imagine, you grew a functianal brain,
then took the time to look at your own moronic statements.
Would you see a moron talking?
We do see a moron every time we see you talking or writing.
Your logic is so structurally flawed, all your arguments are so defenitaly biased, and inconstant, and you have facts wrong all the time, but so stuborn that you are undebatable.
You wouldn't accept proof of the existence of a club even if you'd be clubbed to death with it.
get educated, not brainwashed.
normangbates 3 years ago 3
The other comment was against venomfANGX, not TB!
normangbates 3 years ago
normangbates (re: Imagine, you grew...etc.):
You sound just like me! I could not have stated it better. How do people even exist with the creativity to produce such nonsense and actually believe it? It is the enigma of all time.
way1mar2 3 years ago
Shawn,
I don't subscribe to the argument that God's omniscience is a contradiction to human freewill. I'm aware of that argument, but I don't particularly think it's a strong one. (It could be argued that God's omniscience is a contradiction to His OWN freewill, but that's another issue.)
However, this video has nothing to do with that. I'm wondering if you're confusing it with something else, or if you possibly didn't finish the video but assumed it would be about that?
TheoreticalBullshit 3 years ago
I just think he watches, but doesn't listen.
Shawn. Nobody exists outside of time. Nobody can travel into the future
kix4trix 3 years ago
I don't think you're getting the point...
sumfamousperson17 3 years ago
Well put! Good job! I LOVE this one! Your sooooo intelligent it makes me smile! :) I'm glad I subscribed to your videos!
FamousLove69 3 years ago
Great video. I like your approach. Now that we have a scientific basis for understanding the universe, and we don't need religion to explain things, I think it's also unnecessary to use science to explain away god. I mean, that's been done. What you do is go back to common sense and look at what the religious are actually saying, and tear it up. Pre-Darwin, this was more difficult because we didn't have an alternate explanation. But now that we do, we canattackthecultists from more angles.
inersphobia 3 years ago
did i forget to buy milk?....HAHA LOL
Geodextro 3 years ago
Your fucking hot if you havent noticed yet
12KingdomHearts12 3 years ago
Part of being God is having a will that is free. His will is not dependent on anything or anyone else. God can't give up His free will for that would be giving up part of His Godhood. If God gave up His free will to man that would make man the final determiner.
God created man to fulfill His purpose. If man and God both have a free will than two entities have are the final determiners. Impossible!
(Ephesians 1:11, Psalm 115:3, Psalm 103:19, Proverbs 21:1, Jeremiah 10:23, Romans 9:18)
CameraEye777 3 years ago
wholly shiite! you are on to something here!
i subscribed, now reciprocate!
holybabble 3 years ago
Beauty!! Way to drive it home, Scott.
Antichrist4Life 3 years ago